http://fairfaxnews.com/2016/02/proposed-fairfax-county-budget-calls-6-increase-real-estate-taxes/

Discuss.

More carpetbaggers, more taxes. Everyone wants to live in Fairfax County which in turn puts more stress on the infrastructure.
6% ain't nothing. Compared to other supposed upscale urban areas, we are getting off cheap.

A 25% increase in property taxes over the past five years is outrageous by any measure.

Mostly from the 2.4 bil school proposal

almost as bad as California ...

Going to have to pack it up and hit the road, if this king of thing keeps up.

My first thought was schools due mostly to illegal immigrants. 6% sucks, but it really sucks when added to hikes over the past 5 years. Makes Loudon seem more attractive to me, personally.

If you fuckers can't afford to live here then, you need to move somewhere else. There are plenty of low tax, shit holes in the rest of the commonwealth that would be happy to take you whining losers in. Fuck you!

Keep payin dem taxes rich people. Us Mexicans gratis your support.

25% Wrote:
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> A 25% increase in property taxes over the past
> five years is outrageous by any measure.


Herrity humpers already have their "Rubio line" ready that they can repeat at any time.

This is so far from accurate it's not even funny. The property tax rate in 2011 was $1.09 per $100. A 25% increase would be over $1.30 per $100, which is nowhere near what both FCPS requested and what the BoS approved.

wankity_wank Wrote:
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> If you fuckers can't afford to live here then, you
> need to move somewhere else. There are plenty of
> low tax, shit holes in the rest of the
> commonwealth that would be happy to take you
> whining losers in. Fuck you!

Fuck you, pal. Shit talking asshole. Plenty of natives here that love the area but do t want to be raked over the coals either. Try contributing something useful to the conversation. Prick.

Avg. FXCO house 500 K @ 1.09 base rate no other storm water/special tax district/ect = 5450 a year

New rate 500 K @ 1.13 base rate proposed in 2016 5650 a year 200 extra 16.66 a month.

That's with no real estate assessment raise.. With a 20 K raise in Assessments to 520K and the Tax raise to 1.13 that's 5876 or 426 raise for the year 35.50 a month.

Cut that School Budget some more..

Fairfax County Schools Excellence..= B.S.

FrankR. Wrote:
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> wankity_wank Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you fuckers can't afford to live here then,
> you
> > need to move somewhere else. There are plenty
> of
> > low tax, shit holes in the rest of the
> > commonwealth that would be happy to take you
> > whining losers in. Fuck you!
>
> Fuck you, pal. Shit talking asshole. Plenty of
> natives here that love the area but do t want to
> be raked over the coals either. Try contributing
> something useful to the conversation. Prick.

If you're a native then you couldn't possibly love the region anymore.

Good point. Fuck it.

FrankR. Wrote:
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> http://fairfaxnews.com/2016/02/proposed-fairfax-co
> unty-budget-calls-6-increase-real-estate-taxes/
>
> Discuss.


I was surprised it was only 6 this time. All things considered it seems very reasonable.

I'll just sell an extra set of tires from a rent a car.

The higher the better as far as I am concerned. Push the poor people out more and more every year.

Reston Girl Wrote:
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> The higher the better as far as I am concerned.
> Push the poor people out more and more every year.

That just means there will be more and more Spics living in one house.

Reston Girl Wrote:
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> The higher the better as far as I am concerned.
> Push the poor people out more and more every year.

What's the trade off though? What are "the rich" that remain actually getting for their money?

Is a Tax Siphon Hose in your pocket attached to your wallet..with Illegals on the other end sucking hard at it.

It will never end With FCPS/FXCO till the taxpayers raise hell.

If fcps would stop wasting money....a-holes...

We should send the school budget bill to TelePrompTer Jesus since he brought in illegals..sorry, I don't want to pay for them...deport them!

^^ The "Trade Off" ^^ Wrote:
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>
> It will never end With FCPS/FXCO till the
> taxpayers raise hell.

And they won't, and will continue to vote for tax and spend Democrats.

sheeple

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

JnVUW Wrote:
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> almost as bad as California ...

It's all the people who left Maryland to avoid the higher taxes, yet kept their same ideologies. Now, northern Virginians are picking up the tab.

The problem is the over 65 million the county spends on lines:
81510 Housing Choice Voucher Program $55,951,338
81520 Public Housing Projects Under Management 9,436,149
81530 Public Housing Projects Under Modernization 1,914,711

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dmb/fy2017/advertised/web-2017-advertised-sum-non-appropriated-funds_expenditures.xlsx

We don't need to import more people here that we need to support.
Our Parks, Libraries, police, educational, SACC day cares, health facilities are all overburdened. It's not the lack of demand in corporate office leasing space that is the problem, It's the people we have to support to live in this already overpopulated and expensive area.

Please audit the Schools (county's) free lunch program. Everyone knows it's not audited and people apply for it and get it which enables them more just free lunch for their kids, but $18 a week daycare through SACC, free breakfasts, low or no payment in Activities, (parks, SYC, BRYC, etc) the whole system is a joke. We used to have at least a reduced lunch but roughly 5 years ago the reduced lunch crowd was moved to the free lunch and the flood gates opened and miraculously we have a budget crunch because of the demand on services. SHOCKER!

wankity_wank Wrote:
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> If you fuckers can't afford to live here then, you
> need to move somewhere else. There are plenty of
> low tax, shit holes in the rest of the
> commonwealth that would be happy to take you
> whining losers in. Fuck you!


Shut up Gerry! You’re so stupid it isn’t even funny.
Attachments:

Can we limit the number of people per square feet? Like, at some point, the door shuts? I mean, how can we keep stuffing people in here and not have a problem? Can’t we say “We’ve reached ___ number so no more allowed in this year. Try again next year.”? First we’d have to throw out a few hundred thousand to get the number right. Gerry is at the top of the list plus all his relatives.
Attachments:

Great! Wonder where the Mexicans will end up.

My wife and I both work for the county. We have no problem with the tax increase as long as we get good raises this year.

county family Wrote:
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> My wife and I both work for the county. We have no
> problem with the tax increase as long as we get
> good raises this year.


If you work for general County, you are dreaming if you think you will get a raise. Where do you think the money for that is being diverted.? Your perk this year will be the co pay on your health care plan going up.

Our property taxes are very low compared with most metropolitan areas. Also we are still well below the rates before the cuts during the housing bubble. We have to get back to reality folks.

wankity_wank Wrote:
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> If you fuckers can't afford to live here then, you
> need to move somewhere else. There are plenty of
> low tax, shit holes in the rest of the
> commonwealth that would be happy to take you
> whining losers in. Fuck you!


Like Arlington and Alexandria.

WwXju Wrote:
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> Our property taxes are very low compared with most
> metropolitan areas. Also we are still well below
> the rates before the cuts during the housing
> bubble. We have to get back to reality folks.


With the add-on taxes I will be paying at a higher rate than I did during the 1990s. Commercial properties will be paying more than they did at any time since 1988, with some paying at rates not seen since the early 1980s. Comparing current base rates to historic rates is misleading. In the past there was generally one rate, so the base rate was the actual rate.

county family Wrote:
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> My wife and I both work for the county. We have no
> problem with the tax increase as long as we get
> good raises this year.

You're both leeches who contribute nothing to society. County "employment" is nothing more than welfare for people who want to pretend they're employed. Guaranteed that you're both loyal libtard voters..

FrankR. Wrote:
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> Reston Girl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The higher the better as far as I am concerned.
> > Push the poor people out more and more every
> year.
>
> What's the trade off though? What are "the rich"
> that remain actually getting for their money?


I would pay it if the entire increase went to law enforcement. I don't have any kids so giving the money to the schools would be flushing it down the toilet. How about an ICE substation in every poor neighborhood to round up illegals?

county family Wrote:
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> My wife and I both work for the county. We have no
> problem with the tax increase as long as we get
> good raises this year.


Any increase should go to infrastructure and not a fatter pillow for your chair. Nothing prevents you from getting a part-time job if you want more money.

>
> I would pay it if the entire increase went to law
> enforcement. I don't have any kids so giving the
> money to the schools would be flushing it down the
> toilet. How about an ICE substation in every
> poor neighborhood to round up illegals?


whether you have kids or not, having a good school system will benefit you. Having top notch schools help bring in companies which in turn helps to provide people like you with jobs and higher wages. When schools decline the opposite happens and eventually you may have to work at Burger King to support yourself or move somewhere else

Here's johnny Wrote:
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> county family Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----

>
> You're both leeches who contribute nothing to
> society. County "employment" is nothing more than
> welfare for people who want to pretend they're
> employed. Guaranteed that you're both loyal
> libtard voters..


Technically speaking those working for the county pays the same taxes as you do, yet they contribute to bettering the county system. You would be called Leeches before they would, but technically speaking the real leaches are those living here not paying taxes.

FYI i work for the county too, until you realize what is actually done you have clue. We are the ones that are behind the scenes that keep the county running, we keep the lights on, we keep the technology working, etc. Your real gripe is with the county leaders not it's employees.

Here's johnny Wrote:
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> Guaranteed that you're both loyal libtard voters..

Guaranteed you're some trailer-trash yahoo who began experiencing academic difficulties in the third grade.

Deep! Wrote:
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> whether you have kids or not, having a good school
> system will benefit you. Having top notch schools
> help bring in companies which in turn helps to
> provide people like you with jobs and higher
> wages. When schools decline the opposite happens
> and eventually you may have to work at Burger King
> to support yourself or move somewhere else

People of passable intelligence already understand this. It's just the hayseed dumbfucks who can't manage to get a handle on it.

^^ Sez The Section 8 Wank ^^ Wrote:
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>
> Cut that School Budget some more..
>

That could be the answer, but then you need to live with actual cuts to academics, larger class sizes etc. increased student parking/athletic fees etc. FCPS has been making cuts since 2009 that mostly affect it's employees not students, but there isn't more on the employee bone to cut anymore that would be effective enough to lower the budget significantly, they will now have to start cutting into the students well being that they have been trying to protect.

I already know what your arguement against the above is going to be, cut out the working lunches, off county training, conventions etc. That is such a small part of the budget that cutting it all down to zero would probably save you less the .01% of the overall budget. To really cut down they would have to cut into the academics and programs.

Deep! Wrote:
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> >
> > I would pay it if the entire increase went to
> law
> > enforcement. I don't have any kids so giving
> the
> > money to the schools would be flushing it down
> the
> > toilet. How about an ICE substation in every
> > poor neighborhood to round up illegals?
>
>
> whether you have kids or not, having a good school
> system will benefit you. Having top notch schools
> help bring in companies which in turn helps to
> provide people like you with jobs and higher
> wages. When schools decline the opposite happens
> and eventually you may have to work at Burger King
> to support yourself or move somewhere else


This area doesn't need more companies locating here. The issue is getting them to leave and taking the carpetbaggers with them. innovative companies are relocating to areas like North and South Dakotas where intelligent people want to raise families and enjoy life outside overpopulated urban cess pools. Don't be a pack rat.

Deep! Wrote:
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> Your real gripe is with the county leaders not it's employees.

That's all politics, and the yahoos around here have fallen for a lot of right-wing swill about how public employees are lazy-do-nothings who make zillions of dollars and have unions that contribute to Democrats who then get elected and give more freebies to public employees.

Seriously. That's how politically unsophisticated they are.

>
> This area doesn't need more companies locating
> here. The issue is getting them to leave and
> taking the carpetbaggers with them. innovative
> companies are relocating to areas like North and
> South Dakotas where intelligent people want to
> raise families and enjoy life outside
> overpopulated urban cess pools. Don't be a pack
> rat.

I'm not going to argue, but i would love to be around when your vision of FFX happens come to be true and you start complaining about not enough jobs or low wages. You'll be the one asking me, "Do you want Fries with that?"

7.3 billion and counting Wrote:
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> This area doesn't need more companies locating
> here. The issue is getting them to leave and
> taking the carpetbaggers with them.

If it weren't for the carpetbaggers, this place would still be a dusty, agrarian, economic backwater. You'd still be hanging fly-paper in your kitchen and telling the kids not to let the screen-door slam.

> innovative companies are relocating to areas like North
> and South Dakotas where intelligent people want to raise
> families and enjoy life outside overpopulated urban cess
> pools. Don't be a pack rat.

The Dakotas need gas prices at $4.00 a gallon and up in order to survive. With prices at $1.75 instead, their bubble has burst. North Dakota taxes in Apr-Sep 2015 were 20% short of expectations, led by sales taxes which were short by 33%. The bloom is off the rose out there, and it doesn't look like OPEC is going to cut them any slack anytime soon.

25% Wrote:
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> A 25% increase in property taxes over the past
> five years is outrageous by any measure.


from 1996~2001 the prop tax rate was 1.23%

it slowly went all the way down to 0.89% in 2008 and has been going up since.

A proposed rate of 1.13% is about 27% increase in 7 or 8 years

Combined with housing appreciation the net increase in country revenune is up %25 since 2010

tax facts Wrote:
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> 25% Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A 25% increase in property taxes over the past
> > five years is outrageous by any measure.
>
>
> from 1996~2001 the prop tax rate was 1.23%
>
> it slowly went all the way down to 0.89% in 2008
> and has been going up since.
>
> A proposed rate of 1.13% is about 27% increase in
> 7 or 8 years
>
> Combined with housing appreciation the net
> increase in country revenune is up %25 since 2010


Actually your stats would be the 2007 fiscal year tax rate, 2008 was 0.92. Just had to correct you since your name was "tax fact"

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> With the add-on taxes I will be paying at a higher
> rate than I did during the 1990s. Commercial
> properties will be paying more than they did at
> any time since 1988, with some paying at rates not
> seen since the early 1980s. Comparing current
> base rates to historic rates is misleading. In
> the past there was generally one rate, so the base
> rate was the actual rate.

Bitch, bitch, bitch. You live in an area with at worst a mid-range tax burden and always have. Amenities here are as good as or better than any of them, but our tax burdens in VA are lighter than those in DC, MD, DE, or WV. We are all living a bargain lifestyle here.

Here's johnny Wrote:
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> county family Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My wife and I both work for the county. We have
> no
> > problem with the tax increase as long as we get
> > good raises this year.
>
> You're both leeches who contribute nothing to
> society. County "employment" is nothing more than
> welfare for people who want to pretend they're
> employed. Guaranteed that you're both loyal
> libtard voters..


Said the person who spends far too much of his time listening to the likes of any conservative, yammering demagogue who is working overtime to distort the reality of just who is doing the screwing in this country. It's not the working stiff, it's not the public servant, it's not your public school system either. Your constant diet of fox news and the smoke screen that they continually run for corporations and the wealthy is the problem, If you're not pulling in over 500k per year, then, you're not one of them and that makes you their willing stooge.

I know that you're too stupid to figure it out but, that's the problem when you lack critical thinking skills that are required to do so.

tax facts Wrote:
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> it slowly went all the way down to 0.89% in 2008
> and has been going up since.

Half the story, and useless information because of that. The board knows how the assessment base has changed when they decide the annual RE tax rate. The rate is set so that when applied to the new base, it funds the modest increases in spending needed to cover population and productivity growth. The reason rates fell rapidly through 2008 was that RE market values were rising just as rapidly at the time. The one was funding the other.

All that changed once Bushco totaled the economy. Assessments plummeted and rates should have risen dramatically because of it. But they didn't because the board wanted to limit any additional burden on County taxpayers already reeling from mounting job losses. So cuts and pay-freezes happened instead.

Thankfully, we have moved beyond the worst of that needless calamity. Now has come the time to restore and reinvest. Especially in FCPS.

^^ Sez The Section 8 Wank ^^ Wrote:
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> Avg. FXCO house 500 K @ 1.09 base rate no other
> storm water/special tax district/ect = 5450 a
> year
>
> New rate 500 K @ 1.13 base rate proposed in 2016
> 5650 a year 200 extra 16.66 a month.
>
> That's with no real estate assessment raise.. With
> a 20 K raise in Assessments to 520K and the Tax
> raise to 1.13 that's 5876 or 426 raise for the
> year 35.50 a month.
>
> Cut that School Budget some more..
>
> Fairfax County Schools Excellence..= B.S.


By all means, cut your schools to the bone and see what happens to business, investment, job growth...the list goes on and on. Morons like you can't get past the anti tax shriek of the lowest common denominator of the right. You can't grasp cause and effect reality. All you turds want is a diaper and a bottle to soothe your anti tax rage. Really, it's better for this county as a whole if as many of you leave and go somewhere that you can afford to live as soon as possible.

cymV3 Wrote:
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> Going to have to pack it up and hit the road, if
> this king of thing keeps up.


Great idea! There are plenty of low tax, no services crap holes in the rest of the Commonwealth who would love to have you. I'll help you pack.

Mucho wrongness... Wrote:
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> tax facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > it slowly went all the way down to 0.89% in
> 2008
> > and has been going up since.
>
> Half the story, and useless information because of
> that. The board knows how the assessment base has
> changed when they decide the annual RE tax rate.
> The rate is set so that when applied to the new
> base, it funds the modest increases in spending
> needed to cover population and productivity
> growth. The reason rates fell rapidly through
> 2008 was that RE market values were rising just as
> rapidly at the time. The one was funding the
> other.
>
> All that changed once Bushco totaled the economy.
> Assessments plummeted and rates should have risen
> dramatically because of it. But they didn't
> because the board wanted to limit any additional
> burden on County taxpayers already reeling from
> mounting job losses. So cuts and pay-freezes
> happened instead.
>
> Thankfully, we have moved beyond the worst of that
> needless calamity. Now has come the time to
> restore and reinvest. Especially in FCPS.


Spot on. +5

wankity_wank Wrote:
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> Said the person who spends far too much of his
> time listening to the likes of any conservative,
> yammering demagogue who is working overtime to
> distort the reality of just who is doing the
> screwing in this country. It's not the working
> stiff, it's not the public servant, it's not your
> public school system either. Your constant diet of
> fox news and the smoke screen that they
> continually run for corporations and the wealthy
> is the problem, If you're not pulling in over 500k
> per year, then, you're not one of them and that
> makes you their willing stooge. I know that you're
> too stupid to figure it out but, that's the problem
> when you lack critical thinking skills that are
> required to do so.

Pretty much sets out the lay of the land alright. The dummies just suck up the swill and spit it all back out again. No ability to comprehend or reason on their own. It's a sad state of affairs.

Back in the early 70s when the right-wing set out to build the media networks it would need to drive as many rational notions as possible out of the marketplace of ideas, the common response was that the project could not succeed because it would all be laughed at. What was under-appreciated at the time was the number of dumb people who could be energized by the simple repetition of utter nonsense.

Ace surveyor Wrote:
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> wankity_wank Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Said the person who spends far too much of his
> > time listening to the likes of any
> conservative,
> > yammering demagogue who is working overtime to
> > distort the reality of just who is doing the
> > screwing in this country. It's not the working
> > stiff, it's not the public servant, it's not
> your
> > public school system either. Your constant diet
> of
> > fox news and the smoke screen that they
> > continually run for corporations and the
> wealthy
> > is the problem, If you're not pulling in over
> 500k
> > per year, then, you're not one of them and that
> > makes you their willing stooge. I know that
> you're
> > too stupid to figure it out but, that's the
> problem
> > when you lack critical thinking skills that are
>
> > required to do so.
>
> Pretty much sets out the lay of the land alright.
> The dummies just suck up the swill and spit it all
> back out again. No ability to comprehend or
> reason on their own. It's a sad state of affairs.
>
> Back in the early 70s when the right-wing set out
> to build the media networks it would need to drive
> as many rational notions as possible out of the
> marketplace of ideas, the common response was that
> the project could not succeed because it would all
> be laughed at. What was under-appreciated at the
> time was the number of dumb people who could be
> energized by the simple repetition of utter
> nonsense.


Sadly, there is no shortage of right-wing wankers in Fairfax County and most of them post their parroted BS here.

Mucho wrongness... Wrote:
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> All that changed once Bushco totaled the economy.
> Assessments plummeted and rates should have risen
> dramatically because of it.

No sir. That is idiotic. What should have happened is that when taxes soared due to temporary real estate bubble tax rates should have been reduced to keep the tax burden level or near level. Instead FCPS and FCBOS spent it all.

Everyone with a brain knew that the real estate bubble was going to burst at some point and it was idiotic to think the bubble-inflated tax take was the new normal.

Proper management of real estate taxes is to set maximum percentage increases AND decreases and ALSO to limit reassessing real estate to 3 or 5 year increments. That is a normal procedure in many jurisdictions around the US. It is stupid to reset them every single year.

Actually... Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > With the add-on taxes I will be paying at a
> higher
> > rate than I did during the 1990s. Commercial
> > properties will be paying more than they did at
> > any time since 1988, with some paying at rates
> not
> > seen since the early 1980s. Comparing current
> > base rates to historic rates is misleading. In
> > the past there was generally one rate, so the
> base
> > rate was the actual rate.
>
> Bitch, bitch, bitch. You live in an area with at
> worst a mid-range tax burden and always have.
> Amenities here are as good as or better than any
> of them, but our tax burdens in VA are lighter
> than those in DC, MD, DE, or WV. We are all
> living a bargain lifestyle here.

You must have missed the part where I pointed out Fairfax's rates were higher than Arlington and Alexandria's. Same access to amenities. Same economy and same Virginia income tax rates. However the main point you overlooked was that I was responding to an argument that we needed to raise our tax RATES to the pre-real estate tax bubble level. They already are. You want to make the case that the County would be better if we had higher real estate tax rates, have at it. Just don't try and pretend that we have a cheap rate now simply because the base rate today is less than the total rate in 1995.

letthemeatcake Wrote:
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> No sir. That is idiotic. What should have
> happened is that when taxes soared due to
> temporary real estate bubble tax rates should have
> been reduced to keep the tax burden level or near
> level. Instead FCPS and FCBOS spent it all.

You're stupid. As assessments rose through the mid-2000s, rates fell to keep actual tax growth modest. Weren't you BORN yet or something? When Bushco crashed everything and assessments went over a cliff, rates would have had to jump substantially just to keep revenues flat. But instead we got "bite-the-bullet" bromides, and some idiots are still mouthing those.

> Everyone with a brain knew that the real estate
> bubble was going to burst at some point and it was
> idiotic to think the bubble-inflated tax take was
> the new normal.

LOL! You don't understand either the credit crisis or how RE taxes work. You are the epitome of stupid.

> Proper management of real estate taxes is to set
> maximum percentage increases AND decreases and
> ALSO to limit reassessing real estate to 3 or 5
> year increments. That is a normal procedure in
> many jurisdictions around the US. It is stupid to
> reset them every single year.

LOL! The only thing stupid here is you. Annual assessments mean everyone is impacted equally. Your 3-5 year cycles ALWAYS discriminate against some people. It's impossible not to. Such patterns are also associated with a few years of tax bargains followed by some massive tax hit. But of course, you'd be TOO STUPID to know about any of that.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> You must have missed the part where I pointed out
> Fairfax's rates were higher than Arlington and
> Alexandria's. Same access to amenities. Same
> economy and same Virginia income tax rates.
> However the main point you overlooked was that I
> was responding to an argument that we needed to
> raise our tax RATES to the pre-real estate tax
> bubble level. They already are. You want to make
> the case that the County would be better if we had
> higher real estate tax rates, have at it. Just
> don't try and pretend that we have a cheap rate
> now simply because the base rate today is less
> than the total rate in 1995.

Stop the madness! There was no "real estate tax bubble" for anything to precede. Assessments rose as property values rose, and rates fell proportionately to keep the actual rate of growth in taxes modest. The problem was that when the tide turned, practices didn't. Low rates persisted against plummeting assessments and the County just proceeded to bleed as the result. Nothing has ever been done about that. It has always been a case of things still being "too fragile" for us to try to head back toward the grounds of sanity that we once stood upon. Well, TIME'S UP! Let's get this train moving here before it's too late!

PS. Your lame references to the existence of special tax district rates are a giant and irrelevant pile of nothing.

You put Dems in office and you get more taxes!
They will never cut programs or find places to save....lining their pockets and getting votes is the name of their game.

Mucho wrongness... Wrote:
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> tax facts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > it slowly went all the way down to 0.89% in
> 2008
> > and has been going up since.
>
> Half the story, and useless information because of
> that. The board knows how the assessment base has
> changed when they decide the annual RE tax rate.
> The rate is set so that when applied to the new
> base, it funds the modest increases in spending
> needed to cover population and productivity
> growth. The reason rates fell rapidly through
> 2008 was that RE market values were rising just as
> rapidly at the time. The one was funding the
> other.
>
> All that changed once Bushco totaled the economy.
> Assessments plummeted and rates should have risen
> dramatically because of it. But they didn't
> because the board wanted to limit any additional
> burden on County taxpayers already reeling from
> mounting job losses. So cuts and pay-freezes
> happened instead.
>
> Thankfully, we have moved beyond the worst of that
> needless calamity. Now has come the time to
> restore and reinvest. Especially in FCPS.

Rates fell b/c RE rates went up AND b/c Gerry Connelly wanted to be seen as a tax-cutter before running for congress

Rates did not rise after the crash b/c Sharon Bulova didn't want to be tossed out for raising taxes

Actually... Wrote:
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> Stop the madness! There was no "real estate tax
> bubble" for anything to precede. Assessments rose
> as property values rose, and rates fell
> proportionately...

No sir. You are incorrect. Rates were decreased but not even remotely close to "proportionately" with the increased assessments. You are making an ass of yourself with your ignorance.

Who should I believe? You or my skyrocketing personal property tax bills during the 2000s? I have the exact records you know.

wrongwrongwrong Wrote:
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> No sir. You are incorrect. Rates were decreased
> but not even remotely close to "proportionately"
> with the increased assessments. You are making an
> ass of yourself with your ignorance.

Fuck off, you ignorant ahistorical dipshit. Facts are facts, and you don't know a single one of them.

> Who should I believe? You or my skyrocketing
> personal property tax bills during the 2000s?
> I have the exact records you know.

Good God!!! Your fucking house isn't evidence of ANYTHING. What a MONSTROUS DUMBFUCK!!!

Actually... Wrote:
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> wrongwrongwrong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No sir. You are incorrect. Rates were
> decreased
> > but not even remotely close to
> "proportionately"
> > with the increased assessments. You are making
> an
> > ass of yourself with your ignorance.
>
> Fuck off, you ignorant ahistorical dipshit. Facts
> are facts, and you don't know a single one of
> them.
>
> > Who should I believe? You or my skyrocketing
> > personal property tax bills during the 2000s?
> > I have the exact records you know.
>
> Good God!!! Your fucking house isn't evidence of
> ANYTHING. What a MONSTROUS DUMBFUCK!!!


The dumbfuck was talking about his mom's house. Most of the teabaggers posing anti tax shit here live in their mom's basement. FACT.

Actually... Wrote:
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> Bill.N. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You must have missed the part where I pointed
> out
> > Fairfax's rates were higher than Arlington and
> > Alexandria's. Same access to amenities. Same
> > economy and same Virginia income tax rates.

Not true. Arlington and Alexandria are close in suburbs packed with both commercial property and more expensive (than FFX) residential properties. Old housing stock in Arlington and Alexandria is being replaced with new, more expensive properties. Old housing stock in Fairfax is being filled with illegals. The economies of the close in suburbs are diverging significnatly from Fairfax. Good gets better, and bad gets worse.

Lived in the same house for 17 years. Based on my taxes then and now my average increase in FFXC has been around 10% per year. Now paying almost 5X what I was paying 17 years ago. These blood sucking leeches just can't get enough.

Actually... Wrote:
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> Fuck off, you ignorant ahistorical dipshit. Facts
> are facts, and you don't know a single one of
> them.

Well argued sir. Explain in detail instead of making assertions.

>
> > Who should I believe? You or my skyrocketing
> > personal property tax bills during the 2000s?
> > I have the exact records you know.
>
> Good God!!! Your fucking house isn't evidence of
> ANYTHING. What a MONSTROUS DUMBFUCK!!!

Sure it is. The fact that you don't understand this reveals much about your ignorance.

I have been in my current house for 17 years. Based on the taxes I paid then and the taxes I paid last year, my billed has averaged an increase of 10% per year for 17 years....that's 10% increase each year. The math games they play in the media is fucked up. I now pay 5x what I paid 17 years ago.

Economic miracle Wrote:
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> 7.3 billion and counting Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This area doesn't need more companies locating
> > here. The issue is getting them to leave and
> > taking the carpetbaggers with them.
>
> If it weren't for the carpetbaggers, this place
> would still be a dusty, agrarian, economic
> backwater. You'd still be hanging fly-paper in
> your kitchen and telling the kids not to let the
> screen-door slam.
>
> > innovative companies are relocating to areas
> like North
> > and South Dakotas where intelligent people want
> to raise
> > families and enjoy life outside overpopulated
> urban cess
> > pools. Don't be a pack rat.
>
> The Dakotas need gas prices at $4.00 a gallon and
> up in order to survive. With prices at $1.75
> instead, their bubble has burst. North Dakota
> taxes in Apr-Sep 2015 were 20% short of
> expectations, led by sales taxes which were short
> by 33%. The bloom is off the rose out there, and
> it doesn't look like OPEC is going to cut them any
> slack anytime soon.

heymack Wrote:
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> Lived in the same house for 17 years. Based on my
> taxes then and now my average increase in FFXC has
> been around 10% per year. Now paying almost 5X
> what I was paying 17 years ago. These blood
> sucking leeches just can't get enough.

Hmmm - all depends upon the timeframe you look at. From 2000 to 2016, my assessment has gone up 130%, and dollar amount of taxes have gone up 105%. But from the peak, for me in 2006, my assessment has dropped 12% - that is, it has still not recovered from the Great Recession.

Why the difference between assessment increases and dollar paid? It was those years in 2000 - 2008 where the board "cut" the tax rate against big jumps in assessments. They got used to calling a tax increase (in the absolute amount you paid) a tax cut (in the rate you paid). And when times turned bad, the board never changed it's approach. Now we need massive jumps in the rate to get back to what should have been all along.

World class county indeed.

The peak tax RATE in the 2000s was $1.23/$100. That was the rate from 1999 to 2002. The current RATE is $1.09/$100 and apparently headed for $1.13/$100. When you think about home values in 1999 compared to 2016 - well, I think anyone can see there has been a massive effective tax increase.

UKwML Wrote:
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> The peak tax RATE in the 2000s was $1.23/$100.
> That was the rate from 1999 to 2002. The current
> RATE is $1.09/$100 and apparently headed for
> $1.13/$100. When you think about home values in
> 1999 compared to 2016 - well, I think anyone can
> see there has been a massive effective tax
> increase.

$1.23 in 1999 is equivalent to $1.75 today.

Get a grip... Wrote:
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> UKwML Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The peak tax RATE in the 2000s was $1.23/$100.
> > That was the rate from 1999 to 2002. The
> current
> > RATE is $1.09/$100 and apparently headed for
> > $1.13/$100. When you think about home values
> in
> > 1999 compared to 2016 - well, I think anyone
> can
> > see there has been a massive effective tax
> > increase.
>
> $1.23 in 1999 is equivalent to $1.75 today.


Doesn't take into account that home values increased at a rate much greater then the average rate of inflation over that same time. While the percentage may not have changed much, the basis for the calculation of that percentage and the net tax paid as a result has increased greatly.

vb346 Wrote:
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> heymack Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lived in the same house for 17 years. Based on
> my
> > taxes then and now my average increase in FFXC
> has
> > been around 10% per year. Now paying almost 5X
> > what I was paying 17 years ago. These blood
> > sucking leeches just can't get enough.
>
> Hmmm - all depends upon the timeframe you look at.
> From 2000 to 2016, my assessment has gone up
> 130%, and dollar amount of taxes have gone up
> 105%. But from the peak, for me in 2006, my
> assessment has dropped 12% - that is, it has still
> not recovered from the Great Recession.
>
> Why the difference between assessment increases
> and dollar paid? It was those years in 2000 -
> 2008 where the board "cut" the tax rate against
> big jumps in assessments. They got used to
> calling a tax increase (in the absolute amount you
> paid) a tax cut (in the rate you paid). And when
> times turned bad, the board never changed it's
> approach. Now we need massive jumps in the rate
> to get back to what should have been all along.
>
> World class county indeed.


Please feed me amigo, and thanks for doing it on weekends and summers. We no afford peanut butter and jelly but got IPhone Sorry you complain but more of us coming before Mr.Trump put up wall.

Get a grip... Wrote:
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> $1.23 in 1999 is equivalent to $1.75 today.

An excellent point. Looking at constant-dollar total RE taxes paid by a typical Fairfax household would get past that problem and others. In 2010, that number was $5,405. Last year, it was $5,577. That's an increase of 3.2% over five years.

JttCw Wrote:
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> Doesn't take into account that home values
> increased at a rate much greater then the average
> rate of inflation over that same time. While the
> percentage may not have changed much, the basis
> for the calculation of that percentage and the net
> tax paid as a result has increased greatly.

LOL! Karnak read wrong envelope.

Get a grip... Wrote:
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> $1.23 in 1999 is equivalent to $1.75 today.

Man, you guys will say anything. My house which was assessed at 325,000 in 1999 is now assessed at 675,000. So if my tax rate should be $1.75 - I guess my assessment should be reduced to $467,600 for an equivalent inflation adjustment. But I know you won't go for that either.

If they must eat on Gallows Road, instead of Sea Pearl, Bulletin Board, and the rest, how about the McDonald's, after all, these are working lunches, right, not gourmet excursions?

9MFYV Wrote:
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> Man, you guys will say anything. My house....

Lesson #1: There is nothing about YOUR HOUSE that makes it in any way typical of a county made up of more than 400,000 houses. Stop talking about YOUR HOUSE as if it meant one damned thing to the discussion.

More people need to understand the relationship between low-income housing units, the FCPS budget and the demand for other County-provided services. If more people realized this, perhaps some Supervisors would reconsider their stated goal of funding more low income housing units.


Don B Wrote:
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> The problem is the over 65 million the county
> spends on lines:
> 81510 Housing Choice Voucher Program
> $55,951,338
> 81520 Public Housing Projects Under Management
> 9,436,149
> 81530 Public Housing Projects Under
> Modernization 1,914,711
>
> http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dmb/fy2017/advertised
> /web-2017-advertised-sum-non-appropriated-funds_ex
> penditures.xlsx
>
> We don't need to import more people here that we
> need to support.
> Our Parks, Libraries, police, educational, SACC
> day cares, health facilities are all overburdened.
> It's not the lack of demand in corporate office
> leasing space that is the problem, It's the people
> we have to support to live in this already
> overpopulated and expensive area.
>
> Please audit the Schools (county's) free lunch
> program. Everyone knows it's not audited and
> people apply for it and get it which enables them
> more just free lunch for their kids, but $18 a
> week daycare through SACC, free breakfasts, low or
> no payment in Activities, (parks, SYC, BRYC, etc)
> the whole system is a joke. We used to have at
> least a reduced lunch but roughly 5 years ago the
> reduced lunch crowd was moved to the free lunch
> and the flood gates opened and miraculously we
> have a budget crunch because of the demand on
> services. SHOCKER!

Good Point, Don B Wrote:
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> More people need to understand the relationship
> between low-income housing units, the FCPS budget
> and the demand for other County-provided services.

There IS no such relationship, moron.

Get a grip... Wrote:
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> Lesson #1: There is nothing about YOUR HOUSE that
> makes it in any way typical of a county made up of
> more than 400,000 houses. Stop talking about YOUR
> HOUSE as if it meant one damned thing to the
> discussion.

More argument fail. Ad hominem. Non sequiter. Red herring. Now threats. Your argument skills are playground bully level.

As a parent, an employee of FCPS, and a home owner in Fairfax County
I say HELL No to a six precent increase in Real Estate taxes.

For the past five years, our REtax has been increased.

Deep! Wrote:
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> >
> > I would pay it if the entire increase went to
> law
> > enforcement. I don't have any kids so giving
> the
> > money to the schools would be flushing it down
> the
> > toilet. How about an ICE substation in every
> > poor neighborhood to round up illegals?
>
>
> whether you have kids or not, having a good school
> system will benefit you. Having top notch schools
> help bring in companies which in turn helps to
> provide people like you with jobs and higher
> wages. When schools decline the opposite happens
> and eventually you may have to work at Burger King
> to support yourself or move somewhere else


bullshit!

this is such a myth that it is pathetic people still try to spew such ignorance

One thing is clear. Most people will not be able to retire and stay in FFX County. Retirement means your money has to last for at least 20 years. However, people can double and triple up in those retirees' houses with lots of kids and work under the table and that is okay.

??

All the tax rate talk is smoke and mirrors. The reality is that every year they are increasing how much they take from you, more than how much your wages/salary increase and more than inflation. Bottom line: they are raising your taxes again, and they'll do the same next year and the year after and the year after....

We will be closed Tuesday March 1. Plan accordingly for your LDs.

Adjusting for inflation is interesting...

Year    Rate    Adjust  Adjusted
                to 2016 Tax
2016    1.130   1.13    508.47
2015    1.090   1.09    490.47
2014    1.090   1.09    465.34
2013    1.075   1.08    445.93
2012    1.070   1.10    436.59
2011    1.090   1.15    456.44
2010    1.040   1.13    457.07
2009    0.920   1.02    500.30
2008    0.890   0.98    491.02
2007    0.890   1.02    511.06
2006    1.000   1.18    591.23
2005    1.130   1.37    561.98
2004    1.160   1.46    445.24
2003    1.210   1.56    404.54

This doesn't tell the complete story though. Since Fairfax also controls the value of assessment they can get any number they want though. That's the final column for a typical property in Fairfax county.

Just based on this data, I would say Fairfax was slow to adjust to the initial onset of the housing bubble (around 2006) -- The tax rate dropped but the final revenue to the County was still growing quickly between 2003-2006.

Overall taxes have been going down since 2006 but mostly due to declining assessments. The tax rate has fairly flat since 2008. But assessments are climbing again... The final revenue to the County has steadily been on the rise since 2012.

CNdPP Wrote:
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> That's the final column for a typical
> property in Fairfax county.

Obvious you are not a homeowner...

Yeah, it's off by a decimal place I think due to the strange units for the tax rate. Dollars per $1000.

CNdPP Wrote:
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> This doesn't tell the complete story though.
> Since Fairfax also controls the value of
> assessment they can get any number they want...

The market controls the level of assessments. County staff study actual home sales by area and apply a composite adjustment. If you believe your individual assessment is somehow in error, you can always file an appeal. Appeals based simply upon being some trash-brain right=-wing nutcase aren't usually upheld however.

> Just based on this data, I would say Fairfax was
> slow to adjust to the initial onset of the housing
> bubble (around 2006)

There was no "housing bubble". That is Romper Room nonsense. The crisis arose in credit markets, not housing markets. Mortgage rates had fallen by 335 basis points (3.35%) between mid-2000 and mid-2003. This was due in part to the Fed's decision to freeze its target interest rate at 1% in early 2002. Interest rates and asset prices are inversely related. If there had not been a dramatic run-up in prices and in overall market activity (including refi's) as the result of all this, there would have been something very wrong. As it was, the market in fact PEAKED in the Spring of 2006, as the Fed completed it's two-year package of interest rate increases.

> ...the final revenue to the County was still growing
> quickly between 2003-2006.

Revenue should in fact grow modestly every year, so long as population and productivity gains are in evidence. The point is that revenues grew only modestly -- much more slowly than assessments as the rate was cut from $1.21 to $0.89.

> Overall taxes have been going down since 2006 but
> mostly due to declining assessments.

Exactly. And what the County SHOULD HAVE been was the opposite of the above -- raising the tax rate to protect revenues and services. But it DID NOT do that, and therein lies the problem that we are yet to recover from today.

> The tax rate has fairly flat since 2008. But assessments
> are climbing again... The final revenue to the County
> has steadily been on the rise since 2012.

Vaguely good news, and the economy is healthier today than it was in 2012. After a decade of starvation-level budgets and worries about "fragile" economic conditions, it is time now to restore and reinvest. The Board should adopt a final rate of $1.17 per hundred of assessed value this year and plan on adding more next year.

4DJhD Wrote:
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> Obvious you are not a homeowner...

The data do not change based on whether someone is an owner or a renter. Neither does your individual experience as a homeowner tell you anything meaningful about the market as a whole.

d9mmt Wrote:
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> Deep! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > > I would pay it if the entire increase went to
> > law
> > > enforcement. I don't have any kids so giving
> > the
> > > money to the schools would be flushing it
> down
> > the
> > > toilet. How about an ICE substation in
> every
> > > poor neighborhood to round up illegals?
> >
> >
> > whether you have kids or not, having a good
> school
> > system will benefit you. Having top notch
> schools
> > help bring in companies which in turn helps to
> > provide people like you with jobs and higher
> > wages. When schools decline the opposite
> happens
> > and eventually you may have to work at Burger
> King
> > to support yourself or move somewhere else
>
>
> bullshit!
>
> this is such a myth that it is pathetic people
> still try to spew such ignorance

Well there is history that proves otherwise

The School Board for years claimed to sustain small class sizes, supporting summer learning, and so forth but this is a flat out lie. It is just impossible to do it all. Again the school system should share with the Board of Supervisors the specific information/data as well as their understanding and analysis of the information/data which led them to conclude this budget increase was necessary and appropriate. If the school board is interested in the spending increase on teacher, administrator and support personnel salaries, then they should move to Zero-based budgeting which is an approach to planning and decision-making that reverses the working process of traditional budgeting. The School board members should get priorities straight and fund the essential services and then do everything else if they can.

beyond the frustration Wrote:
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> If the school board is interested in the spending increase
> on teacher, administrator and support personnel salaries,
> then they should move to Zero-based budgeting which is an
> approach to planning and decision-making that reverses the
> working process of traditional budgeting. The School board
> members should get priorities straight and fund the essential
> services and then do everything else if they can.

LOL! You don't begin to understand ZBB, which is why you had to copy your definition of it from wikipedia. ZBB sounds good to stupid people, but particularly in the public sector, it is actually just a giant time- and money-wasting exercise that produces no actual benefits at all. Go take a public finance course sometime.

Wake-up call Wrote:
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> There was no "housing bubble".

>If there had not been a dramatic run-up in prices and in overall market activity

Semantics. You refute your own nonsense. Common parlance is to refer to the rapid increase in housing prices and subsequent collapse as a "housing bubble." Arguing about the cause of such increase and decrease does not mean it didn't happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble

CNdPP Wrote:
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> Adjusting for inflation is interesting...
>
>

> Year    Rate    Adjust  Adjusted
>                 to 2016 Tax
> 2016    1.130   1.13    508.47
> 2015    1.090   1.09    490.47
> 2014    1.090   1.09    465.34
> 2013    1.075   1.08    445.93
> 2012    1.070   1.10    436.59
> 2011    1.090   1.15    456.44
> 2010    1.040   1.13    457.07
> 2009    0.920   1.02    500.30
> 2008    0.890   0.98    491.02
> 2007    0.890   1.02    511.06
> 2006    1.000   1.18    591.23
> 2005    1.130   1.37    561.98
> 2004    1.160   1.46    445.24
> 2003    1.210   1.56    404.54
>

>
> This doesn't tell the complete story though.
> Since Fairfax also controls the value of
> assessment they can get any number they want
> though. That's the final column for a typical
> property in Fairfax county.
>
> Just based on this data, I would say Fairfax was
> slow to adjust to the initial onset of the housing
> bubble (around 2006) -- The tax rate dropped but
> the final revenue to the County was still growing
> quickly between 2003-2006.
>
> Overall taxes have been going down since 2006 but
> mostly due to declining assessments. The tax rate
> has fairly flat since 2008. But assessments are
> climbing again... The final revenue to the County
> has steadily been on the rise since 2012.


You can adjust for inflation in the tax rate, or in the assessment, but not both. If you adjust in both, you are doubling the impact of inflation, which some may want, but I doubt that is your objective. If the assessments float naturally upward with inflation and housing markets, then the rate does not need to be changed. Of course, all that goes out the window when markets stall and do not appreciate.

UkJGJ Wrote:
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> Actually... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bill.N. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You must have missed the part where I pointed
> > out
> > > Fairfax's rates were higher than Arlington
> and
> > > Alexandria's. Same access to amenities.
> Same
> > > economy and same Virginia income tax rates.
>
> Not true. Arlington and Alexandria are close in
> suburbs packed with both commercial property and
> more expensive (than FFX) residential properties.
> Old housing stock in Arlington and Alexandria is
> being replaced with new, more expensive
> properties. Old housing stock in Fairfax is being
> filled with illegals. The economies of the
> close in suburbs are diverging significnatly from
> Fairfax. Good gets better, and bad gets worse.

Arlington just advertised a 1/2 cent cut in the property tax rate while giving more $ to schools . Suck it, Fairfax. So glad I moved out of the shit hole FFX has become.

Based on the $$ I paid 17 years ago and the $$ I pay now for the same house....my tax has increased on average 10% per year. I am paying almost 5X now than what I paid 17 years ago.

7NKNy Wrote:
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> CNdPP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Adjusting for inflation is interesting...
> >
> >

> > Year    Rate    Adjust  Adjusted
> >                 to 2016 Tax
> > 2016    1.130   1.13    508.47
> > 2015    1.090   1.09    490.47
> > 2014    1.090   1.09    465.34
> > 2013    1.075   1.08    445.93
> > 2012    1.070   1.10    436.59
> > 2011    1.090   1.15    456.44
> > 2010    1.040   1.13    457.07
> > 2009    0.920   1.02    500.30
> > 2008    0.890   0.98    491.02
> > 2007    0.890   1.02    511.06
> > 2006    1.000   1.18    591.23
> > 2005    1.130   1.37    561.98
> > 2004    1.160   1.46    445.24
> > 2003    1.210   1.56    404.54
> >

> >
> > This doesn't tell the complete story though.
> > Since Fairfax also controls the value of
> > assessment they can get any number they want
> > though. That's the final column for a typical
> > property in Fairfax county.
> >
> > Just based on this data, I would say Fairfax
> was
> > slow to adjust to the initial onset of the
> housing
> > bubble (around 2006) -- The tax rate dropped
> but
> > the final revenue to the County was still
> growing
> > quickly between 2003-2006.
> >
> > Overall taxes have been going down since 2006
> but
> > mostly due to declining assessments. The tax
> rate
> > has fairly flat since 2008. But assessments
> are
> > climbing again... The final revenue to the
> County
> > has steadily been on the rise since 2012.
>
>
> You can adjust for inflation in the tax rate, or
> in the assessment, but not both. If you adjust in
> both, you are doubling the impact of inflation,
> which some may want, but I doubt that is your
> objective. If the assessments float naturally
> upward with inflation and housing markets, then
> the rate does not need to be changed. Of course,
> all that goes out the window when markets stall
> and do not appreciate.

Wake-up call Wrote:
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> There was no "housing bubble".

Knowledgeable people ranging from Alan Greenspun to the Economist to Fairfax officials have stated otherwise, but clearly YOU are THE expert. There is not much point in responding to someone who is so obviously trolling or being deliberately stupid.

Board of Supervisors did not approve the increased FCPS budget last night.

So what direction does this all head in now?

BTW, there are rumblings that the demand for Commercial Office in Tysons was not what was projected, so there is a push to turn much of the undeveloped space into Residential properties.

Boy won't this be a fun time!!

3XdLE Wrote:
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> Board of Supervisors did not approve the increased
> FCPS budget last night.
>
> So what direction does this all head in now?
>
> BTW, there are rumblings that the demand for
> Commercial Office in Tysons was not what was
> projected, so there is a push to turn much of the
> undeveloped space into Residential properties.
>
> Boy won't this be a fun time!!

Not sure what you are referencing. There has not been any BOS approval/disapproval of anything yet. The County Exec. just proposed a budget and tax rate. The County Board hasn't even advertised the rate yet.That happens March 1.