I will start this by saying that I am extremely biased. My brother attends Virginia Tech and has done quite well there; he has a 3.6, plenty of extracurriculars, and nearly a 3.9 in his major. For a number of reasons he decided to transfer to UVA to join me for his third year of college. He was not accepted for transfer immediately (which I found odd) and was put on the waitlist. We have learned that UVA has since taken students off of the waitlist and it appears as though he will not get in, which puts him in a terrible spot for the fall of 2015.

My question is this: how is it that NOVA can justify a 3.4 GPA requirement to transfer into schools like UVA or William & Mary when there is no rigor in its classes or programs? This cannot be fair to actual students who achieve at real academic institutions and don't have the guaranteed admission stipulation.

A 3.4 at NOVA does not equal a 3.5 or higher at UMW, JMU, GMU or Tech, so why do public schools pretend that it does?

People who want to save thousands on education, go to a community college first and then transfer to a 4 year school.

The answer to your question, is because some bureaucrats made the decision and there's not much one can do about it.

As parents of students at McLean HS we are very dismayed and angry at the way this Principal, Ellen Riley is running our school. What has taken place over the last month has angered and saddened us. Because of how it has affected our children. They want to protest a teachers dismissal of her job but cannot without fear of repercussions. So they come to us. Two of the most beloved and capable and competent and admired teachers have been yanked from their jobs for no reason. One is moving to NC we have discovered but the other lady is not leaving. This Principal has acted in a totally unprofessional way. The SGA sponsor was called in on Friday at 3pm and removed from her job. No warning, no reason. Later it was said for lack of leadership. Please this is so bogus. This Principal has no idea what leadership is. So perhaps Mrs. Riley can explain what leadership is-These 2 teachers, guide, advise, counsel and provide for young people's need and emotions and feelings far beyond their job description. My neighbors child would have dropped out of college without this teachers help. The respect and admiration for these 2 ladies, especially Ms T is like nothing we parents have ever experienced. Our children have grown up with this woman, their brothers and sisters and cousins have benefited from this delightful young woman's guidance. Since you have seen fit to never participate or offer any input your actions, these last 5 weeks are even more disappointment and our DISGUST with you Ms Riley is overwhelming. How dare you do such a despicable action. According to our sources (our children and other teachers) you Mrs. Riley are not fit to be a Principal. You are definitely not able to show any leadership. You seem to want to provide for only those teachers who want to leave the classroom. You appoint a 1st year teacher which according to 2 Principals we are familiar with say this is never done. It is totally out of line. Their job is to learn their job and that takes 3 yrs plus and a PE Teacher who knows nothing of these school activities. Completely un-qualified but if they can look good on your resume well then its about you.

Your behavior is disgusting and appalling to us and we would call you but we fear for our children's treatment. We do not have enough teachers of the quality this women gives to her students. The time and effort and her own money spent on these children, our children is amazing.

Give this woman back her job. Then try showing leadership by advising her of your wishes and issues and what you want. If not we will continue our campaign for your removal.

Jeez. Just pray your kids turn out more literate than you.

angry Parents Wrote:
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> As parents of students at McLean HS we are very
> dismayed and angry at the way this Principal,
> Ellen Riley is running our school. What has taken
> place over the last month has angered and saddened
> us. Because of how it has affected our children.
> They want to protest a teachers dismissal of her
> job but cannot without fear of repercussions. So
> they come to us. Two of the most beloved and
> capable and competent and admired teachers have
> been yanked from their jobs for no reason. One is
> moving to NC we have discovered but the other lady
> is not leaving. This Principal has acted in a
> totally unprofessional way. The SGA sponsor was
> called in on Friday at 3pm and removed from her
> job. No warning, no reason. Later it was said for
> lack of leadership. Please this is so bogus. This
> Principal has no idea what leadership is. So
> perhaps Mrs. Riley can explain what leadership
> is-These 2 teachers, guide, advise, counsel and
> provide for young people's need and emotions and
> feelings far beyond their job description. My
> neighbors child would have dropped out of college
> without this teachers help. The respect and
> admiration for these 2 ladies, especially Ms T is
> like nothing we parents have ever experienced. Our
> children have grown up with this woman, their
> brothers and sisters and cousins have benefited
> from this delightful young woman's guidance. Since
> you have seen fit to never participate or offer
> any input your actions, these last 5 weeks are
> even more disappointment and our DISGUST with you
> Ms Riley is overwhelming. How dare you do such a
> despicable action. According to our sources (our
> children and other teachers) you Mrs. Riley are
> not fit to be a Principal. You are definitely not
> able to show any leadership. You seem to want to
> provide for only those teachers who want to leave
> the classroom. You appoint a 1st year teacher
> which according to 2 Principals we are familiar
> with say this is never done. It is totally out of
> line. Their job is to learn their job and that
> takes 3 yrs plus and a PE Teacher who knows
> nothing of these school activities. Completely
> un-qualified but if they can look good on your
> resume well then its about you.
>
> Your behavior is disgusting and appalling to us
> and we would call you but we fear for our
> children's treatment. We do not have enough
> teachers of the quality this women gives to her
> students. The time and effort and her own money
> spent on these children, our children is amazing.
>
>
> Give this woman back her job. Then try showing
> leadership by advising her of your wishes and
> issues and what you want. If not we will continue
> our campaign for your removal.

It's Ellen Reilly, not Riley. You've had a while to figure that out.

The teacher going to North Carolina is Lori Wagoner, and she publicly testified before the Board of Supervisors that she was moving because it was too expensive to live in the DC area on a teacher's salary, even though she loved teaching at the school. I've personally heard the principal express her sadness that Ms. Wagoner is leaving, and she seemed sincere about it. I don't know about the other situation, but being relieved of your responsibility to be the SGA sponsor is probably not the harshest blow ever dealt to an FCPS teacher.

In the last survey of county teachers in 2014, the McLean teachers ranked the school a better place to work than teachers at any other high school in the county. I don't know if Reilly's the best or the smartest principal on the planet, but she generally seems to have the backs of her staff and to care about the kids, which is more than you can say for some administrators.

Infuriated Observer Wrote:
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> I will start this by saying that I am extremely
> biased. My brother attends Virginia Tech and has
> done quite well there; he has a 3.6, plenty of
> extracurriculars, and nearly a 3.9 in his major.
> For a number of reasons he decided to transfer to
> UVA to join me for his third year of college. He
> was not accepted for transfer immediately (which I
> found odd) and was put on the waitlist. We have
> learned that UVA has since taken students off of
> the waitlist and it appears as though he will not
> get in, which puts him in a terrible spot for the
> fall of 2015.
>
> My question is this: how is it that NOVA can
> justify a 3.4 GPA requirement to transfer into
> schools like UVA or William & Mary when there is
> no rigor in its classes or programs? This cannot
> be fair to actual students who achieve at real
> academic institutions and don't have the
> guaranteed admission stipulation.
>
> A 3.4 at NOVA does not equal a 3.5 or higher at
> UMW, JMU, GMU or Tech, so why do public schools
> pretend that it does?

FYI NOVA hires professors that moonlight at NOVA while they also teach your uneducated ass at UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, George Mason, etc. The classes are just as hard as any other 4 year. The ONLY problem is that it can take YEARS for a poor NOVA student to transfer because by the time they have all of the classes needed to graduate with an AA and transfer over 7 or 10 years have passed. NOVA has an extremely low graduation rate for the poor NOVA student at just 14 percent because they require so many prerequisites for each class that would be unnecessary in other schools.

Re: Unqualified Administration at McLean HS

How does this post relate to NOVA is a joke and is hurting real students?

Infuriated Observer Wrote:
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> I will start this by saying that I am extremely
> biased. My brother attends Virginia Tech and has
> done quite well there; he has a 3.6, plenty of
> extracurriculars, and nearly a 3.9 in his major.
> For a number of reasons he decided to transfer to
> UVA to join me for his third year of college. He
> was not accepted for transfer immediately (which I
> found odd) and was put on the waitlist. We have
> learned that UVA has since taken students off of
> the waitlist and it appears as though he will not
> get in, which puts him in a terrible spot for the
> fall of 2015.
>
> My question is this: how is it that NOVA can
> justify a 3.4 GPA requirement to transfer into
> schools like UVA or William & Mary when there is
> no rigor in its classes or programs? This cannot
> be fair to actual students who achieve at real
> academic institutions and don't have the
> guaranteed admission stipulation.
>
> A 3.4 at NOVA does not equal a 3.5 or higher at
> UMW, JMU, GMU or Tech, so why do public schools
> pretend that it does?


because college is a scam!!! schools accept very few transfer students, read the fine print, they just collect transfer student application fees, revenue generator for them. guaranteed admissions is for generic majors they can't fill like English or history. no one in the workplace will care if you or your brother has a 3.5, 4.0 or 6.0, it is a nova phenomena where kids are put on gpa pedestals and the entitled superior attitude will ensure you have no friends at work. no one cares if you went to the amazon to inflict your first world values on the indigenous so that you feel like you made a difference on your spring break. get out of nova so you can get smart.

What's it like being in an incestuous relationship? Do you yearn for your brother's velvety cock in your mouth?

Infuriated Observer Wrote:
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> I will start this by saying that I am extremely
> biased. My brother attends Virginia Tech and has
> done quite well there; he has a 3.6, plenty of
> extracurriculars, and nearly a 3.9 in his major.
> For a number of reasons he decided to transfer to
> UVA to join me for his third year of college. He
> was not accepted for transfer immediately (which I
> found odd) and was put on the waitlist. We have
> learned that UVA has since taken students off of
> the waitlist and it appears as though he will not
> get in, which puts him in a terrible spot for the
> fall of 2015.
>
> My question is this: how is it that NOVA can
> justify a 3.4 GPA requirement to transfer into
> schools like UVA or William & Mary when there is
> no rigor in its classes or programs? This cannot
> be fair to actual students who achieve at real
> academic institutions and don't have the
> guaranteed admission stipulation.
>
> A 3.4 at NOVA does not equal a 3.5 or higher at
> UMW, JMU, GMU or Tech, so why do public schools
> pretend that it does?

Your brother gambled and lost. That's life.

Tell me how you know that NVCC has 'no rigor in its classes or programs'. That's an assumption you're making about community colleges in general. And it's not true. The first two years of college are pretty much the same everywhere. You get out of them what you put in.

Your claim that NVCC attendees are not 'actual students' and they don't attend a 'real academic institution' is offensive and clearly reflects your entitled attitude. I attended a community college and have two masters degrees - one from GW and the other from a school rated top ten in my subject area.

Unfortunately, you're probably going to come out of UVA just as much of a jerk as when you went in. If you don't like the current system, then work to change it. Until then, quit bitching.

She doesnot have their backs. She has under cut many teachers. Yes Ms Wagnor is leaving but Ms Truesdell is not and Ms Reilly is not andecent woman nor is she fair!!!!!

Excuse me??? we parents are all college graduates. How rude. Our children are active and Alumni and Ms. Truesdell has been treated very unfairly. This Principal says she and Ms Waggnor did not show leadership. Nonsense as she is hardly ever at any activities. She does not do people well. And we know these teachers have asked for input for over 2 years and there was no input from Reilly. This woman is not a fit leader and neither she or the guy in the other department know not what they are doing. Very sad when a teacher devotes so much time and energy to her students and gets treated in this manner.

Infuriated Observer Wrote:
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> I will start this by saying that I am extremely
> biased. My brother attends Virginia Tech and has
> done quite well there; he has a 3.6, plenty of
> extracurriculars, and nearly a 3.9 in his major.
> For a number of reasons he decided to transfer to
> UVA to join me for his third year of college. He
> was not accepted for transfer immediately (which I
> found odd) and was put on the waitlist. We have
> learned that UVA has since taken students off of
> the waitlist and it appears as though he will not
> get in, which puts him in a terrible spot for the
> fall of 2015.
>
> My question is this: how is it that NOVA can
> justify a 3.4 GPA requirement to transfer into
> schools like UVA or William & Mary when there is
> no rigor in its classes or programs? This cannot
> be fair to actual students who achieve at real
> academic institutions and don't have the
> guaranteed admission stipulation.
>
> A 3.4 at NOVA does not equal a 3.5 or higher at
> UMW, JMU, GMU or Tech, so why do public schools
> pretend that it does?

Well, it might be compared to military flight training...

Years ago, it may have worked something like this...

Each "class" has 30 students-and there were three different "tracks" at the end of the basic education-Fighter Jets, Big Prop planes or big jets, and helicopters.

The top ten of the class got to pick first. Usually, something like 80% of the top 10 picks fighter jets because those are the coolest.

But, some in the top ten DON'T pick fighter jets, they go into big prop planes, or helicopters.

Why? Because if you "wash out" of jets, you are out.

Even though you might have finished, say #5 out of 30 in the initial training, if you picked jets and washed out, you are done.

It sounds like a similar thing here-if you pick NOVA and get a 3.4, you are good to go. If you pick tech and get a 3.9, you are kinda stuck, it sounds like.

Is it right? Fair?

Maybe not. But it keeps the pipelines full...

Those surveys were 2 years ago. That fact does not exist today. Get your facts correct.

are you sure you are smart? Wrote:
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> FYI NOVA hires professors that moonlight at NOVA
> while they also teach your uneducated ass at UVA,
> VA Tech, Georgetown, George Mason, etc. The
> classes are just as hard as any other 4 year. The
> ONLY problem is that it can take YEARS for a poor
> NOVA student to transfer because by the time they
> have all of the classes needed to graduate with an
> AA and transfer over 7 or 10 years have passed.
> NOVA has an extremely low graduation rate for the
> poor NOVA student at just 14 percent because they
> require so many prerequisites for each class that
> would be unnecessary in other schools.



My personal experience is that NVCC curriculum and instructors are dated and of little value. My faculty advisor was clearly someone that couldn't function sufficiently to get a real job elsewhere.

If you're in it to get a real education, go directly to an accredited not-for-profit four-year college. If you're looking to save money on the first two years, do as much CLEP as they allow. Community college credits may do okay in state under guaranteed acceptance programs, but transferring them elsewhere is subjective and a pain in the ass.

Example: Biology 101 and 102 over the course of two semesters will cost you $1400 in tuition, plus expensive books, plus lab fees, plus all that time in class and studying. Result is eight credit hours that are subjectively transferred to other colleges.

CLEP for this is a single exam. Total cost to me was under $200 including books and study materials. I completed the work within two weeks. Result is eight credit hours that objectively transfer per the advanced standing manual published by every college, plus I spent much less time getting it.

Again, if you want a real education go to a real college. If you need to check boxes on low level classes, take CLEP. If you are fermenting in your parents' basement and have more time than ambition, go to NVCC. You'll waste over $1000 of your parents' money (or school loans, LOL) but will have a defensible appearance that you're doing something other than leeching.

Let me first say that this Ms. Wagonner situation is unfortunate, but so is hunger in third world countries. Its off-topic, so it should be moved elsewhere.

NOVA got me my start and I now have an M.Ed at UVA. I work at NOVA as well. A couple of quick responses-- The GPA requirement for transfer is 100% from the school receiving the student. Regarding the prerequisites, often there are developmental classes required if one does not test well enough in English or Math. There can be some unusual prereqs, but they are common at other schools as well and in the long run, one still saves a boatload by going to a community college if they plan well, see their advisor, and learn about the transfer process. Your education process is what you make it, and if you analyze your options ahead of time and take advantage of opportunities, you can succeed. NOVA is not perfect, but for those willing to get the work done and strategize, it is well worth it. NOVA is for serious and not serious students- that's what a community college is about. If serious,you'll succeed.

former nvcc student Wrote:
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> are you sure you are smart? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > FYI NOVA hires professors that moonlight at
> NOVA
> > while they also teach your uneducated ass at
> UVA,
> > VA Tech, Georgetown, George Mason, etc. The
> > classes are just as hard as any other 4 year.
> The
> > ONLY problem is that it can take YEARS for a
> poor
> > NOVA student to transfer because by the time
> they
> > have all of the classes needed to graduate with
> an
> > AA and transfer over 7 or 10 years have passed.
> > NOVA has an extremely low graduation rate for
> the
> > poor NOVA student at just 14 percent because
> they
> > require so many prerequisites for each class
> that
> > would be unnecessary in other schools.
>
>
>
> My personal experience is that NVCC curriculum and
> instructors are dated and of little value. My
> faculty advisor was clearly someone that couldn't
> function sufficiently to get a real job elsewhere.
>
>
> If you're in it to get a real education, go
> directly to an accredited not-for-profit four-year
> college. If you're looking to save money on the
> first two years, do as much CLEP as they allow.
> Community college credits may do okay in state
> under guaranteed acceptance programs, but
> transferring them elsewhere is subjective and a
> pain in the ass.
>
> Example: Biology 101 and 102 over the course of
> two semesters will cost you $1400 in tuition, plus
> expensive books, plus lab fees, plus all that time
> in class and studying. Result is eight credit
> hours that are subjectively transferred to other
> colleges.
>
> CLEP for this is a single exam. Total cost to me
> was under $200 including books and study
> materials. I completed the work within two weeks.
> Result is eight credit hours that objectively
> transfer per the advanced standing manual
> published by every college, plus I spent much less
> time getting it.
>
> Again, if you want a real education go to a real
> college. If you need to check boxes on low level
> classes, take CLEP. If you are fermenting in your
> parents' basement and have more time than
> ambition, go to NVCC. You'll waste over $1000 of
> your parents' money (or school loans, LOL) but
> will have a defensible appearance that you're
> doing something other than leeching.

The thing is that their curriculum is designed for students to stay in the college with the promise of acceptance after they complete their 2 yrs to transfer. Notice that there are more foreign students? That is because they are most likely to be first in their family college students and have no idea it is better to go to a more expensive 4 yr school.

novadamer Wrote:
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> Let me first say that this Ms. Wagonner situation
> is unfortunate, but so is hunger in third world
> countries. Its off-topic, so it should be moved
> elsewhere.
>
> NOVA got me my start and I now have an M.Ed at
> UVA. I work at NOVA as well. A couple of quick
> responses-- The GPA requirement for transfer is
> 100% from the school receiving the student.
> Regarding the prerequisites, often there are
> developmental classes required if one does not
> test well enough in English or Math. There can be
> some unusual prereqs, but they are common at other
> schools as well and in the long run, one still
> saves a boatload by going to a community college
> if they plan well, see their advisor, and learn
> about the transfer process. Your education
> process is what you make it, and if you analyze
> your options ahead of time and take advantage of
> opportunities, you can succeed. NOVA is not
> perfect, but for those willing to get the work
> done and strategize, it is well worth it. NOVA is
> for serious and not serious students- that's what
> a community college is about. If serious,you'll
> succeed.

The tuition is astronomical since it got you your 'start'. Speaking from personal experience the advisers were so bad and unhelpful that I ended up transferring schools. I am glad that I did not stay because I had peers that ended up graduating 6 years after I left! Nova's statement says they have a very low graduation rate that is not even 20 percent! CC's are supposed to be to help the people's county to gain certificates and AA's in a timely manner and obviously there is something wrong with the curriculum, graduation rules, or quality of people they hire.

Highlander Rent Wrote:
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> angry Parents Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As parents of students at McLean HS we are very
> > dismayed and angry at the way this Principal,
> > Ellen Riley is running our school. What has
> taken
> > place over the last month has angered and
> saddened
> > us. Because of how it has affected our
> children.
> > They want to protest a teachers dismissal of
> her
> > job but cannot without fear of repercussions.
> So
> > they come to us. Two of the most beloved and
> > capable and competent and admired teachers have
> > been yanked from their jobs for no reason. One
> is
> > moving to NC we have discovered but the other
> lady
> > is not leaving. This Principal has acted in a
> > totally unprofessional way. The SGA sponsor was
> > called in on Friday at 3pm and removed from her
> > job. No warning, no reason. Later it was said
> for
> > lack of leadership. Please this is so bogus.
> This
> > Principal has no idea what leadership is. So
> > perhaps Mrs. Riley can explain what leadership
> > is-These 2 teachers, guide, advise, counsel and
> > provide for young people's need and emotions
> and
> > feelings far beyond their job description. My
> > neighbors child would have dropped out of
> college
> > without this teachers help. The respect and
> > admiration for these 2 ladies, especially Ms T
> is
> > like nothing we parents have ever experienced.
> Our
> > children have grown up with this woman, their
> > brothers and sisters and cousins have benefited
> > from this delightful young woman's guidance.
> Since
> > you have seen fit to never participate or offer
> > any input your actions, these last 5 weeks are
> > even more disappointment and our DISGUST with
> you
> > Ms Riley is overwhelming. How dare you do such
> a
> > despicable action. According to our sources
> (our
> > children and other teachers) you Mrs. Riley are
> > not fit to be a Principal. You are definitely
> not
> > able to show any leadership. You seem to want
> to
> > provide for only those teachers who want to
> leave
> > the classroom. You appoint a 1st year teacher
> > which according to 2 Principals we are familiar
> > with say this is never done. It is totally out
> of
> > line. Their job is to learn their job and that
> > takes 3 yrs plus and a PE Teacher who knows
> > nothing of these school activities. Completely
> > un-qualified but if they can look good on your
> > resume well then its about you.
> >
> > Your behavior is disgusting and appalling to us
> > and we would call you but we fear for our
> > children's treatment. We do not have enough
> > teachers of the quality this women gives to her
> > students. The time and effort and her own money
> > spent on these children, our children is
> amazing.
> >
> >
> > Give this woman back her job. Then try showing
> > leadership by advising her of your wishes and
> > issues and what you want. If not we will
> continue
> > our campaign for your removal.
>
> It's Ellen Reilly, not Riley. You've had a while
> to figure that out.
>
> The teacher going to North Carolina is Lori
> Wagoner, and she publicly testified before the
> Board of Supervisors that she was moving because
> it was too expensive to live in the DC area on a
> teacher's salary, even though she loved teaching
> at the school. I've personally heard the
> principal express her sadness that Ms. Wagoner is
> leaving, and she seemed sincere about it. I don't
> know about the other situation, but being relieved
> of your responsibility to be the SGA sponsor is
> probably not the harshest blow ever dealt to an
> FCPS teacher.
>
> In the last survey of county teachers in 2014, the
> McLean teachers ranked the school a better place
> to work than teachers at any other high school in
> the county. I don't know if Reilly's the best or
> the smartest principal on the planet, but she
> generally seems to have the backs of her staff and
> to care about the kids, which is more than you can
> say for some administrators.

Especially at McLean,which has a long history of helicopter parents who bully teachers and administrators into giving children grades that aren't always deserved. A good example of this was the turnstone.com fiasco several years ago.

Your brother is a tool box. You're over privileged. I do think it is funny. My buddy had a teacher at Tech who would staple cards to military recruiters on the failed tests of her students. She would that if you're dumb enough to fail a basic test, you're dumb enough to join the military. Lol

I've taken about 8 classes at NOVA to further my education and out of general interest. Here's what I have noticed.

The caliber of student is not great. Attendance is spotty and a lot of students are on their phones during class. About 25% of the class is paying attention and trying hard, 50% is sort of there, and 25% is one Facebook or simply not present. This is worse than your average 4 year college, but I've attended a couple of those and there are kids in those schools who are goofing off and not putting forth a good effort.

The caliber of teacher / professor is good to very good. I have had a couple simply excellent professors, people who really know how to teach and who run a good, organized class. I've had had a 3 or 4 good professors, not amazing, but if you're working hard you can learn a good it. I have had one absolute dud. He stunk, but actually knew a lot. It was a 3 hour class and 1 hour was very helpful and the other 2 were just a joke.

As with so many things in life, you get out of it what you put into it. If you attend every class, do the work, pay attention, and do the reading, your grades will be excellent and you'll learn a good deal. Get off your butt and be serious about it. The one area in which Nova really is deficient is that there are not many other students who will really push you and will contribute to class discussions. That I found sadly missing.

uva sucks, stay at vt

Why did he want to transfer?

My sis spent two years at NOVA, and then leveraged her high GPA to get a really nice ride at Smith. For serious students, its a real way to get ahead.

Real students?

Wow. Good luck in life!

Hey OP, look up grade inflation, especially in grad school and then we'll talk. I also recommend that you look at other incongruous systems like the American tax system. All of this stuff is common knowledge but institutions aren't interested in changing their policies until it cuts into their bottom line.

angry Parents Wrote:
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> Two of the most beloved and
> capable and competent and admired teachers have
> been yanked from their jobs for no reason.

No reason?

I can guaranty you this: There was a reason. No one does the paperwork to yank someone from their job for no reason. You may not know the reason - in fact, if you are as angry in real life as you are here, the leadership wherever you go has already recognized that it's best not to share information with you.

And as to the other point... There are lots of great reasons to move to North Carolina besides the lower cost of living (and lower teacher salaries). Or Vermont. Or Texas. Or California.

As long as there are 20 highly qualified candidates for each open teacher position in FCPS, which there are, there is no reason to pay more.