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Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: Civil Liberty Guy ()
Date: June 02, 2015 10:06AM

Now its a national story:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150602/us--fbi_surveillance_flights-e2320f0d2a.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI is operating a small air force with scores of low-flying planes across the country carrying video and, at times, cellphone surveillance technology — all hidden behind fictitious companies that are fronts for the government, The Associated Press has learned.

The planes' surveillance equipment is generally used without a judge's approval, and the FBI said the flights are used for specific, ongoing investigations. In a recent 30-day period, the agency flew above more than 30 cities in 11 states across the country, an AP review found.

Aerial surveillance represents a changing frontier for law enforcement, providing what the government maintains is an important tool in criminal, terrorism or intelligence probes. But the program raises questions about whether there should be updated policies protecting civil liberties as new technologies pose intrusive opportunities for government spying.

U.S. law enforcement officials confirmed for the first time the wide-scale use of the aircraft, which the AP traced to at least 13 fake companies, such as FVX Research, KQM Aviation, NBR Aviation and PXW Services. Even basic aspects of the program are withheld from the public in censored versions of official reports from the Justice Department's inspector general.

"The FBI's aviation program is not secret," spokesman Christopher Allen said in a statement. "Specific aircraft and their capabilities are protected for operational security purposes." Allen added that the FBI's planes "are not equipped, designed or used for bulk collection activities or mass surveillance."

But the planes can capture video of unrelated criminal activity on the ground that could be handed over for prosecutions.

Some of the aircraft can also be equipped with technology that can identify thousands of people below through the cellphones they carry, even if they're not making a call or in public. Officials said that practice, which mimics cell towers and gets phones to reveal basic subscriber information, is rare.

Details confirmed by the FBI track closely with published reports since at least 2003 that a government surveillance program might be behind suspicious-looking planes slowly circling neighborhoods. The AP traced at least 50 aircraft back to the FBI, and identified more than 100 flights since late April orbiting both major cities and rural areas.

One of the planes, photographed in flight last week by the AP in northern Virginia, bristled with unusual antennas under its fuselage and a camera on its left side. A federal budget document from 2010 mentioned at least 115 planes, including 90 Cessna aircraft, in the FBI's surveillance fleet.

The FBI also occasionally helps local police with aerial support, such as during the recent disturbance in Baltimore that followed the death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray, who sustained grievous injuries while in police custody. Those types of requests are reviewed by senior FBI officials.

The surveillance flights comply with agency rules, an FBI spokesman said. Those rules, which are heavily redacted in publicly available documents, limit the types of equipment the agency can use, as well as the justifications and duration of the surveillance.

Details about the flights come as the Justice Department seeks to navigate privacy concerns arising from aerial surveillance by unmanned aircrafts, or drones. President Barack Obama has said he welcomes a debate on government surveillance, and has called for more transparency about spying in the wake of disclosures about classified programs.

"These are not your grandparents' surveillance aircraft," said Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the American Civil Liberties Union, calling the flights significant "if the federal government is maintaining a fleet of aircraft whose purpose is to circle over American cities, especially with the technology we know can be attached to those aircraft."

During the past few weeks, the AP tracked planes from the FBI's fleet on more than 100 flights over at least 11 states plus the District of Columbia, most with Cessna 182T Skylane aircraft. These included parts of Houston, Phoenix, Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Minneapolis and Southern California.

Evolving technology can record higher-quality video from long distances, even at night, and can capture certain identifying information from cellphones using a device known as a "cell-site simulator" — or Stingray, to use one of the product's brand names. These can trick pinpointed cellphones into revealing identification numbers of subscribers, including those not suspected of a crime.

Officials say cellphone surveillance is rare, although the AP found in recent weeks FBI flights orbiting large, enclosed buildings for extended periods where aerial photography would be less effective than electronic signals collection. Those included above Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota.

After The Washington Post revealed flights by two planes circling over Baltimore in early May, the AP began analyzing detailed flight data and aircraft-ownership registrations that shared similar addresses and flight patterns. That review found some FBI missions circled above at least 40,000 residents during a single flight over Anaheim, California, in late May, according to Census data and records provided by the website FlightRadar24.com.

Most flight patterns occurred in counter-clockwise orbits up to several miles wide and roughly one mile above the ground at slow speeds. A 2003 newsletter from the company FLIR Systems Inc., which makes camera technology such as seen on the planes, described flying slowly in left-handed patterns.

"Aircraft surveillance has become an indispensable intelligence collection and investigative technique which serves as a force multiplier to the ground teams," the FBI said in 2009 when it asked Congress for $5.1 million for the program.
Recently, independent journalists and websites have cited companies traced to post office boxes in Virginia, including one shared with the Justice Department. The AP analyzed similar data since early May, while also drawing upon aircraft registration documents, business records and interviews with U.S. officials to understand the scope of the operations.

The FBI asked the AP not to disclose the names of the fake companies it uncovered, saying that would saddle taxpayers with the expense of creating new cover companies to shield the government's involvement, and could endanger the planes and integrity of the surveillance missions. The AP declined the FBI's request because the companies' names — as well as common addresses linked to the Justice Department — are listed on public documents and in government databases.

At least 13 front companies that AP identified being actively used by the FBI are registered to post office boxes in Bristow, Virginia, which is near a regional airport used for private and charter flights. Only one of them appears in state business records.

Included on most aircraft registrations is a mysterious name, Robert Lindley. He is listed as chief executive and has at least three distinct signatures among the companies. Two documents include a signature for Robert Taylor, which is strikingly similar to one of Lindley's three handwriting patterns.

The FBI would not say whether Lindley is a U.S. government employee. The AP unsuccessfully tried to reach Lindley at phone numbers registered to people of the same name in the Washington area since Monday.

Law enforcement officials said Justice Department lawyers approved the decision to create fictitious companies to protect the flights' operational security and that the Federal Aviation Administration was aware of the practice. One of the Lindley-headed companies shares a post office box openly used by the Justice Department.

Such elusive practices have endured for decades. A 1990 report by the then-General Accounting Office noted that, in July 1988, the FBI had moved its "headquarters-operated" aircraft into a company that wasn't publicly linked to the bureau.
The FBI does not generally obtain warrants to record video from its planes of people moving outside in the open, but it also said that under a new policy it has recently begun obtaining court orders to use cell-site simulators. The Obama administration had until recently been directing local authorities through secret agreements not to reveal their own use of the devices, even encouraging prosecutors to drop cases rather than disclose the technology's use in open court.

A Justice Department memo last month also expressly barred its component law enforcement agencies from using unmanned drones "solely for the purpose of monitoring activities protected by the First Amendment" and said they are to be used only in connection with authorized investigations and activities. A department spokeswoman said the policy applied only to unmanned aircraft systems rather than piloted airplanes.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: Major Tom ()
Date: June 02, 2015 01:07PM

So all the posters who mocked and derided those who made claims of planes circling their neighborhood should hang their heads in shame.

But cheer up, I'm sure the conspiracy nut jobs will give us other reasons to mock and deride them very soon.

Ground Control

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: wtv3N ()
Date: June 02, 2015 04:57PM

Old story from a few years ago, if you were paying attention then. Yawn.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: KWwUe ()
Date: June 02, 2015 05:31PM

Old news, maybe but new story.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: Huh??? ()
Date: June 02, 2015 07:12PM

Don't wanna' be caught doing bad shit...don't do bad shit. And anyone who is opposed to the authorities using any and all means (both illegal and legal) to terminate with extreme prejudice any enemy of this country is a fucking terrorist sympathizer. Our enemies don't play by the rules and it's high time we stop playing by the rules, too.

Either stop bitching about civil liberties...or stop bitching about planes being flown into buildings. Either way, zero fucks given for what you think you're entitled to.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: Poor Alias ()
Date: June 02, 2015 09:01PM

Included on most aircraft registrations is a mysterious name, "Robert Lindley."

Couldn't the FBI be more creative with its alias?

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: Plane Photo ()
Date: June 02, 2015 09:13PM

So this what the FBI planes look like.
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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: DrHenryKillinger ()
Date: June 02, 2015 09:20PM

I remember seeing those "low flying government planes" threads and writing them off as ramblings of conspiracy theorists. The idea that the government was operating small planes to fly in circles and spy on people, right here in Fairfax, seemed so far-fetched that there was no way it could be true. But they were right. And if they were right about this, what else are they right about?

Edit: Also worth mentioning is one time a poster had traced the tail number back to a land surveying company. Now we know that this was a common front used for the FBI, so more than likely, at least once an FFXU poster was caught in close proximity to an FBI investigation.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2015 09:26PM by DrHenryKillinger.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: Civil Liberty Guy ()
Date: June 02, 2015 09:59PM

Be sure to look for a funny object under the plane like this one if you suspect the FBI is watching.
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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: So what ()
Date: June 02, 2015 11:28PM

I mean it. Really who gives a fuck?

This story is in the press because the FBI was using these planes to watch the protest in Baltihole.

Nothing in the bill of rights against this. Cops have been using aircraft for decades. Lets talk about something that really matter. Like black lives.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: tVKLb ()
Date: June 02, 2015 11:43PM

So what Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This story is in the press because the FBI was
> using these planes to watch the protest in
> Baltihole.

Not the FBI themselves, it was Baltimore and other Maryland police departments borrowing the planes. At least that's the official story.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: Ground control to Major Tom ()
Date: June 03, 2015 03:40AM

Huh??? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't wanna' be caught doing bad shit...don't do
> bad shit. And anyone who is opposed to the
> authorities using any and all means (both illegal
> and legal) to terminate with extreme prejudice any
> enemy of this country is a fucking terrorist
> sympathizer. Our enemies don't play by the rules
> and it's high time we stop playing by the rules,
> too.
>
> Either stop bitching about civil liberties...or
> stop bitching about planes being flown into
> buildings. Either way, zero fucks given for what
> you think you're entitled to.

Why do you hate america?

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: Fuck the police state ()
Date: June 03, 2015 03:42AM

Huh??? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Don't wanna' be caught doing bad shit...don't do
> bad shit. And anyone who is opposed to the
> authorities using any and all means (both illegal
> and legal) to terminate with extreme prejudice any
> enemy of this country is a fucking terrorist
> sympathizer. Our enemies don't play by the rules
> and it's high time we stop playing by the rules,
> too.
>
> Either stop bitching about civil liberties...or
> stop bitching about planes being flown into
> buildings. Either way, zero fucks given for what
> you think you're entitled to.

^^^^^^^^^
The Gestapo's best friend, this guy.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: JENA 23 ()
Date: June 03, 2015 03:52AM

Civil Liberty Guy Wrote:
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> Be sure to look for a funny object under the plane
> like this one if you suspect the FBI is watching.


The funny object is a Wescam http://www.wescam.com

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: bekGF ()
Date: June 03, 2015 06:26AM

DrHenryKillinger Wrote:
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> I remember seeing those "low flying government
> planes" threads and writing them off as ramblings
> of conspiracy theorists. The idea that the
> government was operating small planes to fly in
> circles and spy on people, right here in Fairfax,
> seemed so far-fetched that there was no way it
> could be true. But they were right. And if they
> were right about this, what else are they right
> about?
>
> Edit: Also worth mentioning is one time a poster
> had traced the tail number back to a land
> surveying company. Now we know that this was a
> common front used for the FBI, so more than
> likely, at least once an FFXU poster was caught in
> close proximity to an FBI investigation.

Whatever happened to that guy? Hopefully, he lived to see the day he was vindicated.

It's a dark, dark place when no one believes you; everyone whispers about you when they think you're not looking; and others tell you to your face that you're off your rocker.

I read that somewhere.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: WhatADumbAss ()
Date: June 03, 2015 06:47AM

So what Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I mean it. Really who gives a fuck?
>
> This story is in the press because the FBI was
> using these planes to watch the protest in
> Baltihole.
>
> Nothing in the bill of rights against this. Cops
> have been using aircraft for decades. Lets talk
> about something that really matter. Like black
> lives.

Fuck You! It does matter and it should have been in the news way before it became obvious. It's almost as if the press has to have their arm twisted before they will report something outside their agenda or sensational. Never anything uncovered through creative investigating.

Calling our news media "the press" doesn't even seem correct anymore. Who is the individual or individuals that owns the news media nation-wide? We should just refer to our news as "Mr. Turner News today is reports today that..." And Ms. Clinton News today tells us. That way we'll be clear about what we're being fed.

STOP THE BULL SHIT!

Just thinking: news media is like annonymous web posting.

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Re: Low Flying Planes over NOVA is Going National
Posted by: dydUU ()
Date: June 03, 2015 07:02AM

First we shouldn't talk if our opinion is not popular or if it is offensive. Now, we should just not report on topics of interest because... why again? I didn't get that.

What's wrong with people?! Have we no understanding of what freedom is and how to hold onto it? That would be a good subject for the school to teach.

I wonder why they don't? Hmm. Oh yea, the DOE will withhold disbursing funds to rebelious states who chose not to do what they tell them to.

Virginia public schools are a slave to the federal government. We are addicted to our budgets and the feds supply our fix.

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