They do jobs that most residents won't touch and for pennies.

I agree, but those jobs should have been afforded wage protections years ago. That was the original reason nobody would take them. In this country, we teach children they are fools to work hard without proper compensation. So it is no wonder those jobs cannot be filled by domestic help.

I have done landscaping work alongside Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, and Mexicans (needed a job and my bro ran a landscpe co). Frequently the guys who run those companies are making very little profit, so it is no wonder they have to pay the least they legally can and hire people they cannot really background check. Throwing up roadblocks to getting a job like that is stupid.

I think it would be easy enough to identify these folks who are actually working and give them a boost to become citizens. My idea is if you turn in an illegal alien that is MS-13 or other gang member and get them deported, you should get reward points for that towards citizenship.

Problem is that MS-13 and co. will probably then declare machete war on the area.

41 Percent of everyone in the Virginia on Medicade (WELFARE) is an Hispanic child (source Examiner Newspaper). THEY ARE ALL ON SOME FORM OF GOVT WELFARE! Yes someone may work under the table for 10 dollars an hour but rape you without even you realizing in the social costs. This is exactly why our real estate taxes have doubled over the past few years. Where do you think the money is going? Pleassse don't come back with the prices of our houses have gone up so much, remember there is two sides to a multiplication problem, the out come is higher taxes!

Don't forget the WIC, food stamps, Fairfax County Housing Vouchers, emergency rooms, and our school systems, AND THE LIST COULD FILL THIS PAGE.

I am sick and tired of hearing about jobs they do that we don't. Don't you clean your house, cut your grass, and cook your own food.

I DO A JOB OTHERS WON'T DO, I AM A MOBILIZED ARMY RESERVIST THAT MAY HAVE TO DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY!! WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE ME!!!

I think our immigration policy is ridiculous, mostly because it isn't enforced. Build the friggin' wall. Then, unleash the ICE authorities to crack down on employers that are serial law breakers when it comes to hiring illegals by fining their asses and throwing them in jail. Next, give hospitals the means to track down illegals who have used their services and force them to pay their medical bills before resorting to Medicaid. Finally, enact laws that strictly define housing laws that define a single family home as a home with a single family and multi-family homes as homes with many families. It should be a violation of the housing code for a single family home to have multiple renters living in it.

Once we do all of that, if the illegals who are still here want to live here, give them a chance to earn citizenship. Otherwise, adios.

The stupid yuppies who are too lazy to cut their grass, clean their house or God forbid raise their own kids are to blame too. These same yuppies will then pay $100 a month to join a gym so they can get exercise.

Tim45 Wrote:
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> The stupid yuppies who are too lazy to cut their
> grass, clean their house or God forbid raise their
> own kids are to blame too. These same yuppies will
> then pay $100 a month to join a gym so they can
> get exercise.


Well, Fairfax County is the headquarters for that bullshit. If you are going to be a married yuppie couple, buy a fucking condo and don't have kids. Otherwise, make a commitment to raise your kids and take care of your house yourself. Insane.

Posted by: Nacho (IP Logged)
Date: July 02, 2006 03:33AM


They do jobs that most residents won't touch and for pennies.
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They do those jobs cause its the only ones they qualify for, and because they dont have to learn any english doing them

Pedro "Illegal" Gonzalez Wrote:
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> 41 Percent of everyone in the Virginia on Medicade
> (WELFARE) is an Hispanic child (source Examiner
> Newspaper). THEY ARE ALL ON SOME FORM OF GOVT
> WELFARE! Yes someone may work under the table for
> 10 dollars an hour but rape you without even you
> realizing in the social costs. This is exactly
> why our real estate taxes have doubled over the
> past few years. Where do you think the money is
> going? Pleassse don't come back with the prices of
> our houses have gone up so much, remember there is
> two sides to a multiplication problem, the out
> come is higher taxes!
>
> Don't forget the WIC, food stamps, Fairfax County
> Housing Vouchers, emergency rooms, and our school
> systems, AND THE LIST COULD FILL THIS PAGE.
>
> I am sick and tired of hearing about jobs they do
> that we don't. Don't you clean your house, cut
> your grass, and cook your own food.
>
> I DO A JOB OTHERS WON'T DO, I AM A MOBILIZED ARMY
> RESERVIST THAT MAY HAVE TO DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY!!
> WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE ME!!!


_____


Ahh fuck you. You MAY HAVE to die for this country? What about all those people who already died for this country, and they wanted to. You seem forced, and you havent died yet. Now, me, I don't want to die for my country, you illegals can do that for me. I'm going out to KILL for my country.

Pedro "Illegal" Gonzalez Wrote:
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> I DO A JOB OTHERS WON'T DO, I AM A MOBILIZED ARMY
> RESERVIST THAT MAY HAVE TO DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY!!
> WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE ME!!!

are you kidding? we have plenty of people signed up to possibly die in combat. let's face it though, you signed up for the money. there is an abundance of idiots in the USA who will sign up when you say some patriotic speech... or offer them stickers.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Fuck you, you little piece of shit. All you can do is suck dicks for a living. You complain your AC/DC, sorry I mean bi-polar. Your a fucking loser in life. Don't tell me why I am in the reserve. The real reason is to give fucking losers like you the ability to say what you think because you don't have the balls to be a real man. You spend all day and night on this board and respond to everything with your immature, perverted comments.

I'm not going to vote for Pedro on this one. Reservists are wannabe quasi-military. *yawn* -§

Stole my line

I am not going to vote for pedro either, but I wouldn't have voted for pedro in napolean dynamite, either. I always kinda wished Haley Duff would have just called INS on his sorry ass. I like my immigrants boisterous.

§, Gravis, and Reston Peace our little nice push in the sand wanna be!!

The above three attributes:

1. I take bong hits, speed through neighbor hoods and want to slam people for not obeying the law (Drug Addict - STIDMAN).
2. I am bi-polar; can't get a job because of my problem (Gravis). EXCUSE FOR BEING A LOSER AND NOT WANTING TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILTY FOR YOUR SELF GENERATED EXCUSE FOR BEING A LOSER!
3. I am a Nazi "§" supporter (given). To help you understand, read your posts and please tell me you don't stand for "National Socialism"

Please tell me what you do for a living? Besides break the law taking bong hits, blaming my problems on my fabricated "bi-p" problems, and a true member of the socialist party.

If you work for the goverment, get a life. Please tell all of us what you do for a living and explain to the board as a Military Reservist, WE ARE PROVIDING THE majority of the war effort TODAY!

WHY DON'T YOU SIGN UP? Please don't give your 1965 answer on the Marxist view you all hold. If you don't like it, change it!@ NONE OF YOU HAVE REAL JOBS OR REAL LIVES!

It is because of people that love this country, you have the right to say your perverted views.

Action Item: Please tell the board what you do for a living? Before you slam people that are willing to give there lives for this country!

And lastly, please don't bring up George Bush. I already think he is a POS, but your leftest agenda has no solutions.

I don't sign up because I have a real job paying good money and I don't have to risk my life to realize potential in my life. I feel bad for you that you are apparently from a poor family or improper upbringing and felt so trapped that you needed to join the military to make any poossible good outcome occur from your life.

I don't feel hurt by what you stated because I don't really care if that is your perspective of something you have never experienced. Making fun of people with bipolar disorder is a great way to punctuate that you cannot make an eloquent argumant, I might add.

I have a feeling a person of your intellect is sweeping floors and working in a kitchen, not to mention scrubbing latrines. That's life prep right there. When I was working as a military contractor I had to skirt around people like you at the mess all the time. Try to sweep in a smaller radius so as not to impede people with real work to be getting back to.

as for your action item, I'm a NOC Operator, what the hell does that have to do with anything? You watch too much Fox News.



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Pedro Wrote:
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> 2. I am bi-polar; can't get a job because of my
> problem (Gravis). EXCUSE FOR BEING A LOSER AND
> NOT WANTING TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILTY FOR YOUR SELF
> GENERATED EXCUSE FOR BEING A LOSER!

i never said once that i couldnt get a job because im bipolar. not sure how i can be held accountable for things that are completely out of character and never had any memory of doing. dont worry... we can be friends still.

> Please tell me what you do for a living? Besides
> break the law taking bong hits, blaming my
> problems on my fabricated "bi-p" problems, and a
> true member of the socialist party.

im an unemployed computer programmer. ive done some tech admin stuff in the past as well as contract MySQL/PHP programming. it pays well too.


im glad we can be friends. :)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I work for FCPS, and I hate reservists. Just be in the real army if ya want to. Reservist are trying to rip off the government.

Too many drugs, you should get some treatment. Can you put together a correct sentence?




I don't sign up because I have a real job paying good money and I don't have to risk my life to realize potential in my life. I feel bad for you that you are apparently from a poor family or improper upbringing and felt so trapped that you needed to join the military to make any poossible good outcome occur from your life.

I don't feel hurt by what you stated because I don't really care if that is your perspective of something you have never experienced. Making fun of people with bipolar disorder is a great way to punctuate that you cannot make an eloquent argumant, I might add.

I have a feeling a person of your intellect is sweeping floors and working in a kitchen, not to mention scrubbing latrines. That's life prep right there. When I was working as a military contractor I had to skirt around people like you at the mess all the time. Try to sweep in a smaller radius so as not to impede people with real work to be getting back to.

as for your action item, I'm a NOC Operator, what the hell does that have to do with anything? You watch too much Fox News.

"because of people that love this country, you have the right to say your perverted views"

For fucks sake every time Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, or some wanna-be grunt talks about defending our liberty and how the forces of evil and liberals are trying to take our freedom, I want to throw up. That isn't what our forces do and anyone that believes it lives on a fluffy little cloud in selfrighteousville. Put that "defending freedom" matra on the shelf with the mis-named "freedom tower" and you start to see the concept losing its meaning real fast.

I strongly disagree. I can remember when Americans used to move here from places like rural Va, W.Va, and Pa to take jobs in lower skilled areas. No incentive for them to do so now. Wage supression has taken care of that.
Yer frend,
Hillbilly#1

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> *image*

because that's trademark infringement so they should sue your ass. nobody rips off gatorade while im on the clock... wait... well, powerade is better anyway.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Easy answer: I can't make a business case to serve my country on deployment for 6-8 months at a time when I'm a duly employed JD. What do you get paid for that part-time GI JOE "real american zero" stuff anyway? Is it a bag o'peanuts and bucket full of glory? Even Marx would agree that it's fruitless to trade in a prosperous career for a chance to cuddle with an M-16.

Freedom only costs $1.05 and oh, and Pearl Harbor sucked too. -§

freedom can now be purchased in various currencies. For instance, in Russia, freedom costs 10 million rubles.

You can have alot more fun in Russia for that 10 mil/freedom. Make sure you read the "Clinic Testing - minors" thread first.

That was too funny meeper

If we go by the clinic thread we'll have to ask the russian minors' parents about their STD's before we can "spend money" on them? Hmm... don't think that'll go over too well.

Gravis Wrote:
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> nobody rips off gatorade
> while im on the clock... wait... well, powerade is
> better anyway.



nobody rips off gatorade
while I'M on the clock..which is all the time. I have at least 3 bottles of Gatorade/day. unless I have no refrigeration, then powerade is better.

What I want to know is...given that there are many places in this country that have very few illegal aliens (often places that are perjoratively described as "flyover country", such as suburban Pittsburgh, PA)..who installs drywall, mows the lawns, cleans the toilets, washes the cars, builds the houses, etc?

I mean, we're constantly told about all the jobs that "Americans don't want to do" and it would seem to me that in these places Americans ARE doing those jobs.

Probably because they can afford to do them there--I would not want to try living on a drywaller's pay around here unless it's in a house with 20 of my fellow countrymen.

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> freedom can now be purchased in various
> currencies. For instance, in Russia, freedom
> costs 10 million rubles.


Speaking from expirience? LOL

these jobs that "nobody wants to do" are being done by plenty pf white folks who are just out of site.

I worked landscaping next to some salvadorans for a clip like, ten years ago lol.

"they do the jobs nobody wants to do" was a pathetic and unconvincing attempt by bush to quiet the public outrage over the porous borders. he's neocon and pro-illegal immigration? hmmmmmm i think somebody might be pandering to corporate america...

I, for one, voted for Bush hoping he would lower taxes and pander to corporate America. I seemed to have gotten that at first in 2001.

I was hoping that maybe pandering to those bastards would mean more jobs. I believe they call that a "pipe dream". Now that I am older and wiser I know it just means they will steal from us while seemingly giving us jobs, and then leave us normal folk holding the bag.

I'm not so sure Al Gore's pandering team would have done better for me, though.

People from undeveloped countries travel to developed countries for jobs.
There is no way stopping it.

But keep in mind that it is extremely difficult for someone to get to this country legally. Most people cant get a visa :-)

I've always just been on the side of non-intrusion. If a person is not hurting you or having any negative effect on your life, then leave them alone. If the person is a gangbanger or killer or rapist or even just a street drunk and isn't legal, however, punish/deport them as you see fit.

I don't see why we need to lump all people into groups all the time. We have the resources to deal with this on a case-by-case basis, and in fact we've been dealing with immigration essentially in that manner for years now, because nobody can take action on a solution that encompasses the entire illegal population at once.

We catch an immigrant here or there, or maybe a group, and something is done based on the specific circumstances of that case. We should just arrange the system to make that process less contentious and more productive, see if we can weed out the bad seeds and potential leeches from the immigrant folk who can actually help our society.

Of course I am living in a liberal fantasy world today so whatever.

Its a bit too late.
They should have done something about immigration in the late 80s and early 90s.

The system worked one way. To keep the educated out, and let the uneducated in.

Trust me, I went thru it.

well, we let educated ball players stay IF they made the all-star team.

Only cause they generate a huge ammount of money :-)

Its the same shit with low cost labor.
Cheap labor = higher profits.

If I make $70K - I am too expensive to bring over here.

you simplified that a bit, I mean, cheap labor will not equal more profit if your customer base is not satisfied with the end product and you lose business as a result.

however, you could be a in a cheap-labor flooded market like ours, and that output quality becomes normal from business to business, and customers can't do better without prices rising sharply. Easy to survive then, because all you have to do is blend.

I think the scheme with Bush is:

Daddy, Son, Nephew

George P. is being groomed to get the Hispanic vote when he runs for President.

Jeb gets a shot too, don't forget

The end product has declined over the years.
Honestly, when was the last time you have received really good customer service?
I work in DC and I observe people, Americans, who get frustrated with the way immigrants provide services to them.

You walk up to a deli counter and ask if the they have wheat bread. And in response you get "um...what kind"...

But thats the reality. Noone is making an efford to learn the language. And without it - there is no way you can properly serve English speaking crowds.

Result? Frustrated customer base and lost business, most of the time. (Some just put up with this)

In the future - this isnt going to change. So might as well get used to it. Unfortunately people are getting used to it and see it as a norm.

I don't. I made an efford to learn the language and I think that everyone else should too.

As far as Bush family goes - Jeb Bush is married to a Mexican lady :-) I will let you figure out the rest...








RESton Peace Wrote:
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> you simplified that a bit, I mean, cheap labor
> will not equal more profit if your customer base
> is not satisfied with the end product and you lose
> business as a result.
>
> however, you could be a in a cheap-labor flooded
> market like ours, and that output quality becomes
> normal from business to business, and customers
> can't do better without prices rising sharply.
> Easy to survive then, because all you have to do
> is blend.

The service is a lot better in places where most everyone speaks fluent English.

As far as the fast-food places around here, they should just cut their labor costs even more and put touch-screen ordering in, like WaWa and Sheetz have.

At least a computer won't mess your order up.

I agree

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> I work for FCPS, and I hate reservists. Just be in
> the real army if ya want to. Reservist are trying
> to rip off the government.


ru a racist bus driver?????????

Kotyyy

True story, I went into the post office last Thursday. I had a letter I wanted overnighted to Greensboro, NC. The guy told me in he had to check to make sure they delivered to that country of Carolina. Took me a couple of trys to convince him it was really a state and even more so it was the next state south of us. I had to get it there the next day so I sweated it out but he must have gotten it right, it did get there the next day.

I really dont fault anyone trying to make it in the U S. It is a tough country with a high cost of living and an even harder language to learn.

I think most of us in this area have learned to expect little or no customer service anymore regardless of the company. It appears to be a sign of the times. Plus I have gotten just as crappy service from people who have lived here all their lives and speak English as their first language. At least the foreigners are trying.

Yea, and we all know that the Post Office hires the cream of the crop.

...like every other government agency out there.

Tim45 Wrote:
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> True story, I went into the post office last
> Thursday. I had a letter I wanted overnighted to
> Greensboro, NC. The guy told me in he had to check
> to make sure they delivered to that country of
> Carolina. Took me a couple of trys to convince him
> it was really a state and even more so it was the
> next state south of us. I had to get it there the
> next day so I sweated it out but he must have
> gotten it right, it did get there the next day.
>
> I really dont fault anyone trying to make it in
> the U S. It is a tough country with a high cost of
> living and an even harder language to learn.
>
> I think most of us in this area have learned to
> expect little or no customer service anymore
> regardless of the company. It appears to be a sign
> of the times. Plus I have gotten just as crappy
> service from people who have lived here all their
> lives and speak English as their first language.
> At least the foreigners are trying.


True..True... Service industry sucks in general, unless you are staying at the Ritz or eating at the Palm. Want good service? Stop eating at Mcdonald's!!!!!

I don't drive buses and I'm not racist.

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> I don't drive buses and I'm not racist.


Than what do you do for them? Custodial Sciences?

Actually no. I'm a technican. I fix computers, among other things.



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By "among other things", do you mean molest little children?????

Nope. Thats your job. Among other things means I fix other things.

I am weary of living in an area where I am surrounded by so many foreigners and, specifically, those who do not take the time to learn English. I find it extremely irritating when I see products on the shelves with labels in Spanish or the ads in the stores written in languages other than English. The illegals cause more harm than any good to the economy in my opinion. I have seen so many of them overcrowd a home and that certainly has a negative impact on the property values in those communities. I know, first hand, of an illegal family whose son attended school in Fairfax County. This young man excelled -- certainly something to be proud of and he, no doubt, will ultimately be a contriubting member of our society --- however --- he was given various scholarships and opportunities beyond those provided to the American students -- and I do have a problem with that.

Meeper...is that you?

Meeper...is that you?

No, thankfully that is not a picture of me.

Meep,

Is that Brian703!!!!Ha Ha Ha!!!!! Almost as bad Gravis' pic!!!!!!!!!!

Actually I think that pic if fitting for oriondlf

you know who invented the thought baloon?

an illegal imigrant! bwhahahahah

But seriously folks building a wall along a border is stupid. Amnesty and notorizing immigrants is a lot smarter thing to do. Since we can then tax their employment and keep track of revenue.

I agree westox. Btw meep, whose pic is that anyway?

Amnesty was already tried, in 1986. 20 years later, what would make another amnesty any different?

Maybe we should just make a law: Every 20 years, starting in 1986, anyone who managed to sneak across the border and not get deported shall get an amnesty.

brianl703 Wrote:
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>
> Maybe we should just make a law: Every 20 years,
> starting in 1986, anyone who managed to sneak
> across the border and not get deported shall get
> an amnesty.


Now that's funny!!!!!!!!LOL

U guys should check out the video of this suspect in police custody that blows his head off! It's on Snope.com

I can tell when a pattern starts developing.

"suspect in police custody that blows his head off"

He saved the taxpayers the cost of a trial. We should thank him.

snopes.com... pardon me

video of this suspect in police custody that blows his head off!

No thanks. Never understood why would anyone want to see something like that...I already have enough material for nightmares.

Yeah they do help destroy the economy.

don't complain about democrat counterfeiting

sue them, and don't stop suing them

Hillary for jail 2016

obviously means: obama.gov and counterfeiters to jail, and hillary too if she somehow is allowed to attempt to continue the counterfeiting (that benefits political families)

So many are missing the point, as well as the true cost of illegal immigrants to our society. Let me first say that most of the immigrants here, illegal or not, are here to work and make a better life for themselves and their families. I can remember when there we less than 2 dozen illegal labor's in all of Arlington county. Secondly, it is a total myth that these people are low paid workers. As a whole, they make at least $15 an hour tax free. Thats $3 an hour more than the Bernie Sanders supporters made even though he was ready to demand all employers pay a $15 minimum wage. Tax free it's easily $20 an hour for a payroll employee. There's a catch. They have no safty net. If the economy tanks, they get no unemployment. Like all payroll employees, who pay unemployment insurance, they do not. So when the economy fails, which it always does, whi do you think is going to pay so these people dont starve on the streets? Taxpayers will goot that bill. Go ahead and say let'um starve. But its not going to happen. And when they have babbies or medical needs, who pays? Tax payers. Extra police? New school space? Social services? All taxpayer funded. Are we really prepared to remove 15 million people? It's not only ridiculous, its just not realistic. And it would collapse our economy. Fact is, if the government didnt have so many able bodied "citizens" on welfare of all sorts, we wouldn't have such a large need for illeagle immigrants to begin with. The true solution as I see it is to issue geen cards to those productve illegals with limited benefits so as not to reward them for coming here outside tge law, make them pay taxes like the rest of us to help support the services they already use, and seal the boarders to keep our sovereign nation, well, SOVEREIGN.otherwise, in short order, the systems that mame the US a place everyone wants to come to will not exist in it's current form. And who will the liberal's and conservatives have to blame then? We are doing this to ourselves. We will deserve what we get. Man are our grandchildren going to hate us.