Education doesn't matter apparently with Fairfax County Fire and Rescue, they will promote whoever has at least 5 years experience and can take an easy test....

Residents beware, new Fire Officers will only have to take a test on manuals too lead younger Firefighters into danger and care for the citizens of this county.

A raw score only is needed, instead of an education component being factored into where one is placed on the promotional list. So moving forward, everyone in the past that has been on the bottom will now be given a chance... What a shame, this Fire Chief stated, "You will have to have a degree to get promoted", now because some of the chosen few don't have degrees he flipped flopped...

The majority of the member of the Fire Department didn't even know this was happening....

Sorry again Fairfax County residents.....

Sorry to hear, I have a good friend that is a Captain by Mt. Vernon for the fire department,he has a degree. He worked for 7 years to get, but now he is pissed that all that hard work means nothing.

Yeah i am sure some idiots who can't pass a test or be promotable needed some behind the scenes help

or "flammable" in ebonics?

This is Fairfax. It's not what you know but who you blow.

Exactly!!

Too bad the main 2 fire officers that are pushing that don't have education...

But they sure can blow the Fire Chief.

Glad my dept isn't like this and values the hard work that everyone has put into education.

I hear there Union president is the biggest scum there is

Experience often is better than book learning. I know a few college educated idiots.

Agree totally Fire Marshall, I have seen a lot of those as well. But why not encourage education in your department. There are many that have been working there ass off getting there degrees who have lots of experience and are being told all that time and money was a waste of time.

I applied to the fire Dept a few years ago and there were applicants who could not speak or spoke very little English. I understand a few made it in. I don't think a Sgt. oor Lt. without a college degree would be the biggest problem F and R has at the moment.

The fire chief has flat out bald face lied to his employees. I heard him say that the current career development program was a national standard (model), and that they would continue on this path. Guess the Candy Man is not what he looks like or acts. Just saying

FireCapt Wrote:
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> Education doesn't matter apparently with Fairfax
> County Fire and Rescue, they will promote whoever
> has at least 5 years experience and can take an
> easy test....
>
> Residents beware, new Fire Officers will only have
> to take a test on manuals too lead younger
> Firefighters into danger and care for the citizens
> of this county.
>
> A raw score only is needed, instead of an
> education component being factored into where one
> is placed on the promotional list. So moving
> forward, everyone in the past that has been on the
> bottom will now be given a chance... What a shame,
> this Fire Chief stated, "You will have to have a
> degree to get promoted", now because some of the
> chosen few don't have degrees he flipped
> flopped...
>
> The majority of the member of the Fire Department
> didn't even know this was happening....
>
> Sorry again Fairfax County residents.....

take your public notice and eat it

i'll call it as i see it

1) allot of missing money? your a theif don't bother with dominance talk. illegal.

2) allot of suspicious promotions? nepatism. illegal

my guide is not your works.

MY GUIDE IS MONEY AND I'M I DO NOT TAKE BULLSHIT EXPRESSIONS IN PLACE OF MONEY

sp my guide is not your worDs but your actions

is just a BULL-of-VA setup to kill whitey

blacks have been complaining a long time they need high pay gov jobs WITHOUT tests

blacks from DC have been trying to get FX CO FIRE DEPT JOBS openly

blacks from dc have been known to sell the fire-engine in the firehouse to south america and still be getting paid for "being fireman". some of these were discovered and now looking for fx co fire dept jobs

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL. blacks want mexicans in they know they are more crooked and "are not white".

bull-o-va is setting your white asses up

i i'm guessing i could pass a fire dept test with a few days to a week of study ?

probably

Some people, at any job, think they can coast on an education. I've always believed that the most qualified are the best for the job, regardless of their schooling. Anyways, there is a test that needs to be passed, so whoever gets the bump will have to prove apptitude. Lots of people can get educated by a nontraditional route. I do sympathize with the people that made assumptions or were misinformed. But if a couple higher ups in the dept aren't highly educated, than it should have been known that its possible for others to go the same route.

The issue is, this only helps the new employees or the ones with lots of time who can get promoted because they never showed any self-motivation.

The majority get screwed. They are told for many years to bust there ass and do it one way and then "oh my the kiss ass Captain who has to seek legal action to get promoted twice" has to think he is god. The good old boy system in full force.

Ha this is funny. Around six months ago we discussed using the Fire Departments promotional program as a model for our supervisor position.

Very sad to hear this if it is true.

I am hearing this is true tax payers, I hope the Fire Chief reconsiders this change. I have seen too many back door deals in my 30 years on the job. Education is very important in todays leadership of the fire service, I watched many that are in charge now work hard behind the scenes to get there degrees and progress. All the good this new chief has done will be for not if he pushed this through.

case and point

Truland Eletric, sue by fucking foreigners in the commerce dept. for not hiring niggas w/o test

closed them down and out. all fired whitey. take your twinkies and leave.

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grandma kept saying "sugar? that's imported and its' not good for the kids"

grandma always said "keep your feet on the GROUND for goodness sake boy!"
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see what sugar does ?

I guess the last year I spent taking classes was a waste of time and money. My kids sure would have enjoyed a vacation. Chief you really messed up on this one.

Guess it doesn't matter you will never see the damage you caused.

probably was

i've passed tests by using wikipedia or getting a cheap book from amazon without gov aid. and it didn't take a year. you problem is your instructor talks slow and you could be reading instead of wasting a full day listening to the fool.

i've always said same thing conservatives and workers unions said in the early 1990's when democrats began asserting new laws that allowed democrats to hide away in gov funded schools with large pay (which turned over into gov polititians doing the same) while billing it to the taxpayer and unsuspecting children , while making laws makign gov classes mandatory and "gov loans" to get immigrants who they know cant pay:

it was illegal then, it's illegal now. it became exactly what was feared and what was and is illegal.

they used to say college was one of the things "if you have to ask how much it costs you can't afford it". (it was for lazy rich kids and supernerds)

it's not true people who don't attend college can't learn without gov approval

it's especially not true gov approval is a good education: more than likely they will pad the classes with crap to keep you on loan in classes: WHY IS MONEY

modernly they rig the tests so that only people who got loans from gov can pass them
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don't worry super twinkie will save you , he has extra easter baskets waiting !

how much education do you need anyway? uhmm...put water on fire. do you really need to study up on that?

I feel for all the folks that spent a lot of time and money to get classes to aid them in the promotional process that is now changed. When I started in the early 80's, promotional exams were 100 question multiple choice tests...seems like things have almost gone full circle.

Multiple choice tests are completely objective (assuming they are not compromised). The trouble is, you can guess and have a 1 in 4 chance of getting it right. Theoretically, a monkey with a crayon could guess enough right to make the list...no promotional process is perfect.

I may be over simplifying it, but it seems a combination of time in grade, academics (know well in advance what classes are required; not necessarily a degree), a written test and demonstrated practical ability would be the best way to test for promotion. These could all be evaluated by a third party testing company to assure impartiality. A resume review would be good, but I don't know how to keep that from being too subjective.

At least the troops got their shorts, tee shirts and tiller trucks before the gravy train jumped the tracks with the chief.

Yes, because having that English degree is really important when you are fighting fires. It only shows that you wasted a bunch of time and money because society said it was something you would need to make it in life. I'm glad organizations are starting to take the nonsense education requirement out of the promotion process. Unless you need a license for something, on the job training and experience is all the should be required to move up the chain.

All the Department cares about is Minoritys and womem period. Been that way for a long time. I sure am glad i'm retired and get payed to stay home! It is too bad because back in the "Good old boy days" Fairfax was one of the best. Sorry Sandy!!

don't add flames to the fire

sully district trains (mostly illegal immigrant women) at the police station

sully district manager is holed up at an armed police station - that's illegal for an American polititian

(you have to proclaim to the public your a military official if your holed up behind a fire support base)

Some things need to be said without fear of retribution. Technology!

itsobvious Wrote:
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> All the Department cares about is Minoritys and
> womem period. Been that way for a long time. I
> sure am glad i'm retired and get payed to stay
> home! It is too bad because back in the "Good old
> boy days" Fairfax was one of the best. Sorry
> Sandy!!


If this is true, it is likely they have no option. Our federal government is surely twisting their arm.

You are correct sir. The Fairfax police dept. was sued by some minority, female officers back in the early 80s. The women won a multi-million dollar suit. It has never been the same since, too bad.

They should have an education before they get hired. The guy that work on his degree for 7 years, now he can get a job some where else, sure that was his goal. His performance probably been lacking over his priority for a degree.

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Them or You

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Any education should be valued.Agree its too bad that the chief and the main ones who are pushing this will be gone and not able to see all the damage that will have been done.

THEY really didn't think this one through. The Fire dept pays someone to do handle there career development and she is does not agree but too weak to say anything.

Well chief you really screwed this one up. Go have some yogurt now.

What a joke. Let's just make changes for a few who should be the example and have education. Instead lets back door the majority of the firefighters and there future. You got yours. Your a joke yogurt man. Don't be fooled your a fake.

This is all Dave Barlow. He's been sucking the chief's dick at the academy everyday. Barlow's been telling everyone for years that he is an expert. Now he has the chief believing it. Which captain sued twice to get promoted?

It's a shame so many "games"are played with this profession. This is a dangerous, life threatening profession. Yeah I know, we aren't fighting fires everyday like the Bronx or Brooklyn, but we have a lot of the same types of structures. Trouble is we don't fight fires in these structures everyday, so we don't get the experience that is needed, like the guys have in busier parts of the country. So in some ways it's more dangerous around here because we don't do it enough. Now let's throw in the hiring of folks who have absolutely no mechanical aptitude, and promote folks who have little to no building fire experience. Sound like a recipe for problems? Once again balance is needed. A good balance between education and experience. Like I said the experience is a problem because of the lack of building fires. Who knows, tough call, good for discussion......

It's not Fire Science Wrote:
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> This is Fairfax. It's not what you know but who
> you blow.


Aint that the troof roof!

You know why all the departments in Fairfax are the best? Because they blow a ton of money and they tell the world they are. If the few people in Fairfax still paying taxes only knew.

Sounds like the school system. With the current and future demographics of Fairfax, those days are numbered.

This is a shame that the department wants to go in this direction and they want to show their personnel they don't care how self motivated or well rounded they are and it brings the whole morale down, oh except for those lazy few who want to be GIVEN things instead of working for it and provin they are the best.

For those of you who are saying education doesn't make a better officer - this is true, education on its own does not BUT it neither does just experience. There are plenty of book smart street dumb people and plenty of people with experience but can't LEAD, make quick appropriate decisions, write a memo or professionally act/address others in public. Having a combination of both is a POSITIVE thing, the old promotional system valued both- it was based on the raw score of the test (80%) and points for education (20%). Those who did not strive to better themselves were NOT penalized for not having it and those who made that effort were just given credit for those qualities that are desired for a leader and showcased.

Those in the fire department who say they have not had the opportunity for education or whatever the excuse they are using need to re-evaluate their priorities. We work 10 days a month, make good money, college can be done online and there are so many ways for firefighters to get college credit just for the basic certifications we have.

I know so many people who have kids, work (some with multiple jobs), and other responsibilities who have the drive to better themselves and give themselves the best chances to move up. Men, women, black, white, Christian, Jewish, Muslim (you get the point) I know people of all backgrounds with different lifestyles who have made the decision to sacrifice time and money to push themselves, I also know people of all backgrounds who just skate by and don't make that choice.

There are plenty of people in the fire service who work very hard to prove they deserve the job, deserve and can do what is required. There are many that constantly work to be good firefighters, officers, help make others better, keep personnel as safe as possible and understand the true importance of public safety.

It is disgusting to know see those positive, quality attributes are not being valued. Again, I recognize that you have good and bad firefighters and officers who do and don't have education. The point is there is plenty of reasons to say education and those who are constantly trying to be better at and for their job should get credit for that. Now those without that personal desire and motivation are almost being told "hey we'll lower our standards so you can coast, don't try to get better". Lowering the standards is not the answer, show your personnel you value them, their ambition and good qualitities.

Now good educated, qualified employees are going to feel devalued, screwed over and guess what- good people will stop caring, stop trying to be better because it doesn't matter. Morale is already going down the toilet, gee people talk about Fairfax FD being the best - this is no longer the case.

College degree to pull a firehose is not needed.

College degree to command a fire scene is not needed

College degree to make a simple station budget is not needed


College degree to manage a battalion is not needed


If you have a college degree, the sheer fact that you are
Better educated and have the ability to absorb information will give you yje edge on test taking during promotional exams.


You whiny ass career development people sound just as bad as the medics bitching about riding pay.


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over rated. if you have to call yourself a hero then you a probably not. i get so sick of hearing these firefighters tell us how good they are

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> This is Fairfax. It's not what you know but who
> you blow.

The volunteers built the Fairfax Fire Dept until 1977 when Fairfax became professional. Up until the mid nineties the Dept. was recognized as one of the worlds best due to technology and education. It's a shame and disgrace that instead of becoming the model Fire Dept again that we will eventually end up like DC and not even know where the real fire is.

To Degreeschmee, you are correct a college degree is NOT needed to do any of those things. The qualities that are demonstrated - the ability, desire and motivation these individuals show but stepping up applying themselves and completing a task, the ability to comprehend various requests, professionally dealing with persons outside of the fire department, professionally write a paper, memo or report (items frequently done), the personal drive to position themselves in a way to give them the best chances, supervising, motivating and leading others. A majority of those qualities are showcased in an individual continuing education is valued and obtained. Like I said before having the education will not automatically make someone better nor does not having an education will make someone automatically worse or better. The department was not penalizing anyone for not having it but it was also making a statement but those qualities are valued, the education was only 10% of the overall score, raw job knowledge was 80% of the score so someone could have a masters but if they don't know the job and score badly on the test their education will NOT put them top on the list.

To the person saying the department only cares about minorities and women, I don't want to put words in your mouth. I want understand if you were saying this change was made to help women and minority's or were you saying the department doesn't care about this education issue because they only care about minority's and this isn't specifically about them so the department doesn't care?
Personally I know many women and minority's who have pushed themselves to do better get an education and work hard everyday to prove they deserve the job and break the stereo types. Those who want to complain of unfairness, who are lazy but want handouts or really can't do the job give a bad name to all who have worked so hard to break molds. Lowering the standards is not the answer. Women used to have major difficulties in the fire service and those first women had to work harder to prove they could do it so those who think they will get a position just cause they have boobs, sleep around for favors or expect special treatment are a JOKE, disgrace and ruin it for those who are deserving, do things the right way and just bring down all the good that was done. To say women and minority's can't achieve the same standards is a revolting statement, I know many who have achieved great things, sacrificed time and money for their education and constantly top achievers. I also know many white people who have done the same and those of all races and sex who have not and continue on their path.

The education itself is not the deciding factor of how well someone will do.

Dear Chief. Until now, you've made a positive impact on our department. You've shown us how a leader from without,and with no ties to pre-existing inner networks and cliques, could take an organization like ours in a new direction. You inspired us with your vision and motivated us with your expectations. Why risk it all now for a handful of men who have historically worked to manipulate and monopolize a system that affects many, to squeeze out an outcome that benefits them personally?

"The Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Department is dedicated to being a premiere community-focused fire and rescue department ensuring a safe environment for everyone."

We have set the bar. I urge you to reconsider this decision and remember those who have sacraficed financially and socially in pursuit of achieving that level of exelence expected of the Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Department. Lets not derail now. Lets get back on track with a plan consistent with our Vision Statement.

Keep rising, very nicely put!

Having points for education was also a way to motivate and encourage people to keep improving themselves, keep seeking out education opportunities and grow. It would benefit both parties. People seeking promotional opportunities would see how to score higher and if they really wanted to get a higher score would go and max out that section, there are plenty of people who did that. If they only got the education for promotion fine but it would help them later on. What happens after the fire service and you have no other skills or education? At least having a degree helps. There are programs where you get credits just for fire dept certs- if you can't even motivate yourself to submit those for some college credits what makes me think you are going to make any effort at your job?

Now what those who are less motivated are will be perfectly fine and almost rewarding for just showing up.

In the Navy, the best E-3 with 10 years experience will always be....the best E-3.

please take your dirty laundry somewhere else. stay off this board.

This whole portion of the website is to air the dirty laundry relating to Fairfax...

Hey little fire puppy. Nobody cares about your fire department drama. Go back to watching backdraft

wait and see what your police dept is like in about 5 years, with 5 year sgt's who still live at home with mommy wiping their ass. When a white shirt can't pass certain training criteria, it gets changed so they can they can pass. And if you are a female, you can commit crimes using your duty weapon and get overlooked.

enjoy fuckers!

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> Some people, at any job, think they can coast on
> an education. I've always believed that the most
> qualified are the best for the job, regardless of
> their schooling. Anyways, there is a test that
> needs to be passed, so whoever gets the bump will
> have to prove apptitude. Lots of people can get
> educated by a nontraditional route. I do
> sympathize with the people that made assumptions
> or were misinformed. But if a couple higher ups in
> the dept aren't highly educated, than it should
> have been known that its possible for others to go
> the same route.

But a little education can make look a little better. Especially if you know how to spell your title Fire Marshall Bill.....one L buddy!

Fire Officer FFX Wrote:
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> Agree totally Fire Marshall, I have seen a lot of
> those as well. But why not encourage education in
> your department. There are many that have been
> working there ass off getting there degrees who
> have lots of experience and are being told all
> that time and money was a waste of time.


I seriously doubt you are in the fire service. If you are, I encourage more education. One "L" buddy...hahaha

i'm not against tests i think any fireman who didn't know to shut the gas off has no business being near a firetruck, nor any firemean who's too lazy to polish the truck

i'm against:

1) government run certification, inheirently corrupt

2) family of gov workers getting coached to win with answers

3) tests that are rigged to required gov classes and specific book purchase

4) tests that are poorly written (written by gov workers)

5) teachers that cannot grade, cannot understand when a question was actually answered correctly within the realm of what was presented, the realm of argumentation

6) fucking foreigners that cheat on tests. seen it at NVCC for example

7) democrat teachers that give fucking foreigners "special grading" and ignore awful answers saying "it is just a 2nd language barrier" (highly corrupt grading)

ie, Truland Electric used to have good testing and free classes

but they were shut down by niggers and spics in fx co gov - and attacked from DC by the commerce dept. (full of fucking foreigners trying to kill USA)

they shoulndn't allow any fucking foreigner as a fireman because:

all of them will promote "euro fire products" which is a facist hugely overpriced cluster fuck of gov running everything

and will surely end up killing USA businesses making firefighting, fire control, and fire arresting products

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So let me get this straight- the boss makes a decision and the employees don't like it......Gee, that has never happened to anyone else.... .WELCOME TO ADULTHOOD FIREMEN!!!!!