These are very reasonable changes.

I have contacted at least 3 principals about Boosterthon. Not one will discuss the issue.

As a result, the idea that a principal can give up instructional hours to them is unacceptable. It is called unjust enrichment.

You should not be able to give up instructional hours with no limits. Where would this stop? Suppose Boosterthon said they needed 20 minutes, 30 minutes, could a principal allow that? It would be a substantial loss of instructional time and a waste of tax money.

"Here’s How Corporations Are Taking Advantage of The Public School Budget Crisis"

1. "For-Profit Corporate Fundraisers Aren’t Being Regulated—And They Should Be"


2. "Character Education is Rooted in Community, Not Corporate Agenda"


3. "Convenience Comes at a Huge Cost"

http://www.groundswell.org/public-schools-private-fundraisers/

I have made it very clear to Dr. Miller at KMES that my child is NOT to be subjected to Boosterthon. Miller says they don't have an opt-out procedure in place but "maybe" the child could be "moved" to another room during the DAILY Boosterthon "huddle."

She had no answer for opting out of the assembly and fun run. I also made it clear we would NOT fundraise for Boosterthon. I also made it clear that any pressure from the teachers would not be acceptable. I also made it clear that Boosterthon people were not to be around when my child is eating lunch or at recess.

I am getting NO answers from Garza, the administrators or the school board.

This is an UNACCEPTABLE situation.

opt out parent Wrote:
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> I have made it very clear to Dr. Miller at KMES
> that my child is NOT to be subjected to
> Boosterthon. Miller says they don't have an
> opt-out procedure in place but "maybe" the child
> could be "moved" to another room during the DAILY
> Boosterthon "huddle."
>
> She had no answer for opting out of the assembly
> and fun run. I also made it clear we would NOT
> fundraise for Boosterthon. I also made it clear
> that any pressure from the teachers would not be
> acceptable. I also made it clear that Boosterthon
> people were not to be around when my child is
> eating lunch or at recess.
>
> I am getting NO answers from Garza, the
> administrators or the school board.
>
> This is an UNACCEPTABLE situation.

These people really need to quick lurking around the kids. Who holds the contract for this? The school system or the PTA? They still letting them in the front door on a PTA contract and washing their hands of the responsibility?

opt out parent Wrote:
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> Miller says they don't have an opt-out procedure in place...

Rather common, unfortunately...

This probably won't get you anywhere, but if you feel like pressing the point, maybe try submitting this opt-out form from this other school (pg 2 of the attached).
Attachments:

good for you Wrote:
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> opt out parent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have made it very clear to Dr. Miller at KMES
> > that my child is NOT to be subjected to
> > Boosterthon. Miller says they don't have an
> > opt-out procedure in place but "maybe" the
> child
> > could be "moved" to another room during the
> DAILY
> > Boosterthon "huddle."
> >
> > She had no answer for opting out of the
> assembly
> > and fun run. I also made it clear we would NOT
> > fundraise for Boosterthon. I also made it clear
> > that any pressure from the teachers would not
> be
> > acceptable. I also made it clear that
> Boosterthon
> > people were not to be around when my child is
> > eating lunch or at recess.
> >
> > I am getting NO answers from Garza, the
> > administrators or the school board.
> >
> > This is an UNACCEPTABLE situation.
>
> These people really need to quick lurking around
> the kids. Who holds the contract for this? The
> school system or the PTA? They still letting them
> in the front door on a PTA contract and washing
> their hands of the responsibility?

FCPS holds the contract. FCPS contracting has no problem with it. Emails, calls, go unanswered now.

FCPS holds the contract. FCPS contracting has no problem with it. Emails, calls, go unanswered now.

-----------------------------------------

This is par for the course. This is a great place to vent. Let it out. They are rude.

Well, it is technically against their own regulations. They are driven by greed. Instructional time is free to them. They are not the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to money. They owe a lot of people explanations on this.

Maybe you can dream up "appointments" that coincide perfectly with the assembly and the fun run. Use your Mom power. Pick them up and take them out for ice cream or go to the library.

good for you Wrote:
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> FCPS holds the contract. FCPS contracting has no
> problem with it. Emails, calls, go unanswered
> now.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> This is par for the course. This is a great place
> to vent. Let it out. They are rude.
>
> Well, it is technically against their own
> regulations. They are driven by greed.
> Instructional time is free to them. They are not
> the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to
> money. They owe a lot of people explanations on
> this.
>
> Maybe you can dream up "appointments" that
> coincide perfectly with the assembly and the fun
> run. Use your Mom power. Pick them up and take
> them out for ice cream or go to the library.


they lock the doors on the fifth floor for a reason.........

FCPS can bring in these Boosterthon people to give their own lessons and you can't opt out? Why do we even have schools why not contract it all out to Boosterthon instead?

what a travesty Wrote:
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> FCPS can bring in these Boosterthon people to give their own lessons...

Well just as an aside and for what it's worth, the FCPS-Booster contract now stipulates that Booster's lessons need to be FCPS-approved. (Contract #4400003780, addendum #2 dtd 5/14/15.) The deadlines for Booster to submit curriculum materials to FCPS have passed. I wouldn't know if the curriculum materials were submitted or if Booster asked for an extension as allowed by the contract.

The PTA-Booster contracts, on the other hand, are provided by Booster (not FCPS) and are not controlled by the FCPS-Booster contract, so who knows...

The matter is closed. How many times do I have to tell you? Rules are for other people. I'll explain when I get back from Orlando. McElveen and I are sharing a Lyft to the airport. Later, losers.

Haven't you folks picked up on the real reason you get no love from FCPS?
It's because the overwhelming majority of parents SUPPORT Boosterthon and they know it. You are small minority of in inconsequential whiners. If you had some clout like the similarly small contingent of SLEEP people - well, then you would get somewhere. Get someone from the SLEEP group to take up your cause then you might get something done.

realitycheck Wrote:
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> Haven't you folks picked up on the real reason you
> get no love from FCPS?
> It's because the overwhelming majority of parents
> SUPPORT Boosterthon and they know it. You are
> small minority of in inconsequential whiners. If
> you had some clout like the similarly small
> contingent of SLEEP people - well, then you would
> get somewhere. Get someone from the SLEEP group
> to take up your cause then you might get something
> done.

Oh, so can you explain why several members of the House of Delegates, including Marcus Simon and Kaye Kory have asked very pointed questions of FCPS about Boosterthon?

Sorry, Brett, we know all of that travel is expensive. We know the Booster bonus pool is drying up, and Carneal's lifestyle isn't exactly cheap either, and it is obvious neither of you has any skills worth a hoot in the real world. I can't remember the last time I saw an ad for a church planter, maybe you can start selling Confederate flags, sheets, and crosses on the side?

Hello Brett Trapp Wrote:
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> Oh, so can you explain why several members of the
> House of Delegates, including Marcus Simon and
> Kaye Kory have asked very pointed questions of
> FCPS about Boosterthon?
>
> Sorry, Brett, we know all of that travel is
> expensive. We know the Booster bonus pool is
> drying up, and Carneal's lifestyle isn't exactly
> cheap either, and it is obvious neither of you has
> any skills worth a hoot in the real world. I can't
> remember the last time I saw an ad for a church
> planter, maybe you can start selling Confederate
> flags, sheets, and crosses on the side?

What is a Brett Trapp? And what does that have to do with Boosterthon? What does asking pointed questions have to do with anything? If I ask a pointed question that means the organization being questioned is automatically guilty of something? Geez...

Trapp is Booster's mouthpiece. But he's inconsequential in the sense that if he wasn't around, there'd be somebody else.

Wake me up when Simon, et al, produce their findings.

EDIT to add: that's a "SLEEP" reference. ;)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2015 03:39PM by NewHorizon.

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> what a travesty Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > FCPS can bring in these Boosterthon people to
> give their own lessons...
>
> Well just as an aside and for what it's worth, the
> FCPS-Booster contract now stipulates
> that Booster's lessons need to be FCPS-approved.
> (Contract #4400003780, addendum #2 dtd 5/14/15.)
> The deadlines for Booster to submit curriculum
> materials to FCPS have passed. I wouldn't know if
> the curriculum materials were submitted or if
> Booster asked for an extension as allowed by the
> contract.
>
> The PTA-Booster contracts, on the
> other hand, are provided by Booster (not FCPS) and
> are not controlled by the FCPS-Booster contract,
> so who knows...

They should not be bringing them in to the schools during the school day, and certainly not under a PTA or PTO contract, as the regulations now stand. Ha.

I saw the opt out form from the other school. What I did not see is how the opt out works.

Opted out kids should not be marched out of their classrooms to some holding area while it looks like all of the opted in kids are having fun with Boosterthon.

Maybe the opted in kids all get taken off to some area for Boosterthon, while the class goes on. What I don't like is how the teachers participate in Boosterthon. I think that confuses the kids no end.

But FCPS doesn't have an opt out anyway. There is too much money involved. It is also clear some PTA people have used Boosterthon as a way to get an FCPS job. Pretty soon FCPS will have Boosterthon in there full time delivering their own lessons and asking for more and more pledges.

opt out mom Wrote:
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> I saw the opt out form from the other school. What
> I did not see is how the opt out works.
>
> Opted out kids should not be marched out of their
> classrooms to some holding area while it looks
> like all of the opted in kids are having fun with
> Boosterthon.

Good point. They do feel left out.


>
> Maybe the opted in kids all get taken off to some
> area for Boosterthon, while the class goes on.
> What I don't like is how the teachers participate
> in Boosterthon. I think that confuses the kids no
> end.

Yes, when the staff is totally wrapped up in it, the kids feel like they are doing something wrong by not participating.


>
> But FCPS doesn't have an opt out anyway. There is
> too much money involved. It is also clear some PTA
> people have used Boosterthon as a way to get an
> FCPS job. Pretty soon FCPS will have Boosterthon
> in there full time delivering their own lessons
> and asking for more and more pledges.

Just as Laurence Einuis probably sought out a band teacher job for access to kids, someday someone will do the same thing at Boosterthon.

Then, sad but true, an incident will happen putting child at risk. That incident is probably also the end of Boosterthon.

opt out mom Wrote:
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> I saw the opt out form from the other school. What
> I did not see is how the opt out works.
>
> Opted out kids should not be marched out of their
> classrooms to some holding area while it looks
> like all of the opted in kids are having fun with
> Boosterthon.
>
> Maybe the opted in kids all get taken off to some
> area for Boosterthon, while the class goes on.
> What I don't like is how the teachers participate
> in Boosterthon. I think that confuses the kids no
> end.
>
> But FCPS doesn't have an opt out anyway. There is
> too much money involved. It is also clear some PTA
> people have used Boosterthon as a way to get an
> FCPS job. Pretty soon FCPS will have Boosterthon
> in there full time delivering their own lessons
> and asking for more and more pledges.

And as an FCPS teacher, I hated participating in Boosterthon and rah-rahing for them. I had to come up with rewards and incentive prizes for my class, such as extra recess and Popsicle parties. And then I had to purchase the Popsicles out of my own pocket! All Boosterthon ever gave me was a continental breakfast to introduce their program.

FCPSt Wrote:
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> opt out mom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I saw the opt out form from the other school.
> What
> > I did not see is how the opt out works.
> >
> > Opted out kids should not be marched out of
> their
> > classrooms to some holding area while it looks
> > like all of the opted in kids are having fun
> with
> > Boosterthon.
> >
> > Maybe the opted in kids all get taken off to
> some
> > area for Boosterthon, while the class goes on.
> > What I don't like is how the teachers
> participate
> > in Boosterthon. I think that confuses the kids
> no
> > end.
> >
> > But FCPS doesn't have an opt out anyway. There
> is
> > too much money involved. It is also clear some
> PTA
> > people have used Boosterthon as a way to get an
> > FCPS job. Pretty soon FCPS will have
> Boosterthon
> > in there full time delivering their own lessons
> > and asking for more and more pledges.
>
> And as an FCPS teacher, I hated participating in
> Boosterthon and rah-rahing for them. I had to come
> up with rewards and incentive prizes for my class,
> such as extra recess and Popsicle parties. And
> then I had to purchase the Popsicles out of my own
> pocket! All Boosterthon ever gave me was a
> continental breakfast to introduce their program.

What would happen if you did not rah-rah for them or come up with the incentives?

Under what authority could you grant them extra recess?

Various parties are putting pressure on FCPS to ban Boosterthon, but they are very good at not answering, claiming the matter is closed, and so on.

Any info would be helpful, as both Marcus Simon and Kaye Kory are asking questions but not getting too far with them.

The Hidden Einuis Wrote:
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> Then, sad but true, an incident will happen putting child at risk.
> That incident is probably also the end of Boosterthon.

The demise of Booster Enterprises wouldn't matter.
Somebody else (Apex?) will gladly step in.
Rinse, repeat.


FCPSt Wrote:
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> And then I had to purchase the Popsicles out of my own pocket!

Sucks that the Fun Run raises thousands
and you're buying Popsicles.
Was there perhaps more than extra recess time and Popsicles...?

Hopefully FCPS will change its rules so that fundraisers like Boosterthon and Apex can't be used. We're going to double taxes because Garza is wasteful, and we keep burning up instructional hours? With what I am having to spend on tutors to make up for the poor teaching in FCPS, I may as well start looking at a private school.

But Boosterthon goes in there too-but I might have to go to court if I were paying for instruction out of my own pocket and the Boosterthon people showed up again.

FWIW...

"...a Boosterthon pilot program: all online, if school provides its own fun run."
- Item V.2.9 in Minutes for Sugartown Elementary (Malvern, PA) PTO General Meeting, April 10, 2015

http://www.gvsd.org/cms/lib02/PA01001045/Centricity/Domain/297/PTO%20General%20Meeting%20Minutes%204%2010%2015.docx

Does this mean they don't send people into classrooms and cafeterias? Might be a good thing, much easier to ignore.

Boosterthon Online? Wrote:
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> Does this mean they don't send people into classrooms and cafeterias? Might be a good thing, much easier to ignore.

An opt-in form would be best. But otherwise, yeah, that's perhaps true.
Even so, peer pressure (for the purposes of generating $$$, remember) would probably persist.

"Boosterthon could be an awesome experience for the entire family but so many parents dread Boosterthon week due to the pressure placed on their children to bring in tons of sponsor-ships. I believe that this local program is a prime example of peer pressure and do not agree with the way it is handled."
http://www.blogwithmom.com/2014/10/do-you-feel-pressure-to-donate-to-boosterthon/

"Fundraising incentives in the grade schools is out of control."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix33Bb4xmcc

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> Boosterthon Online? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Does this mean they don't send people into
> classrooms and cafeterias? Might be a good thing,
> much easier to ignore.
>
> An opt-in form would be best. But otherwise,
> yeah, that's perhaps true.
> Even so, peer pressure (for the purposes of
> generating $$$, remember) would probably persist.
>
> "Boosterthon could
> be an awesome experience for the entire family
> but so many parents dread Boosterthon week due to
> the pressure placed on their children to bring in
> tons of sponsor-ships. I believe that this local
> program is a prime example of peer pressure and do
> not agree with the way it is handled."
> http://www.blogwithmom.com/2014/10/do-you-feel-pre
> ssure-to-donate-to-boosterthon/
>
> "Fundraising
> incentives in the grade schools is out of
> control."
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix33Bb4xmcc

Make it a tough opt in form. An assumption that unless opted in, explicitly, then opted out. Schools using Boosterthon can send something home with the kids (printed at Boosterthon's expense), that's the opt-in form. Parents need to print their name, their kids' names, sign the form. If the parents don't get the form, or it doesn't get sent back, too bad, that kid is automatically opted out.

The schools could charge $10 for each form returned and processed-payable by Boosterthon before they are allowed to set foot on the school.

Opt out means that the opt out kids stay in class, don't have to go to the assembly, that the Boosterthon people can't be in the lunch room with them.

Opt in means that the opt in kids are marched off somewhere every day for the Boosterthon activities. If they fall behind in homework etc. their parents need to be reminded that they opted them in. Since the opt out kids stay in the classrooms, the school or Boosterthon need to work out who escorts the kids to the Boosterthon events and who runs them.

All Boosterthon lessons need to be approved by FCPS. Any Boosterthon person "teaching" the lessons must meet minimum requirements, including a bachelor's degree from an ACCREDITED school and a clean background check. These will be provided by Boosterthon in advance, and FCPS can charge Boosterthon for reviewing the credentials.

If something doesn't change, Boosterthon is going to do more and more damage to the schools.

But it's ok to have niggers run the schools?

This...

Wwwaaaahhhhhhhhhh Wrote:
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> [redacted]

...and using kindergarteners to generate revenue.

Destroying faith in humanity piece by piece...

It would be interesting to correlate use of Boosterthon with SOL scores. After all, Boosterthon cuts into instructional hours.

Angela Atwater, Ed.D., might want to rethink her closure of this issue. If SOL scores drop too much, schools lose their accreditation. By then, however, Chris Carneal and Brett Trapp will have made their money.

That may be the dumbest thing i have ever heard. I am a parent of an elementary school student, and son of administrators. do you know what your kid does at school? I will answer it for you. They have field day, go on field trips, go to the book fair (fundraiser), picture day (Yep, fundraiser!), and assemblies of all types. Police and firemen come to the school. they have fire drills and more.

And you talk about wasted instruction time!

You are parents that don't show up and take your kids to mcdonalds. you talk bad about people in front of your kids and are left-wing people that think everyone gets a trophy even if they lose.

Stop handing your kids technology so you dont have to pay attention to them.

Get a life and spend time with your kids.

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> So charitable Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> ...
> > excuse for a christian mission trip
>
>
> I'm trying to find some info, please.
> Couldn't find the 990s. (Booster is for-profit,
> so I'm confused.)
> So lemme ask...
>
> I get that Mr. Carneal and Mr. Brett Trapp (VP of
> Client Experience) appear to be evangelists, but
> what makes these mission trips "Christian"?
>
> Having said that, I see that the Derenne Avenue
> PTA (Savannha, GA) described "BoosterThon" as a
> "Christian-based organization."...
> http://savcps.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/
> 09/PTF_LS_DA_1402.pdf
>
> ... but I'm still trying to find something which
> shows that these child-generated funds are
> supporting a religious activity....??



I think you have a mental problems. It's crazy how this is your soul mission in life. spend time with your family

you are not very smart Wrote:
> I am a parent of an elementary school student, and
> son of administrators.

Welcome.

Are administrators aware that FCPS makes no provision for non-school-sponsored activities (ex: PTA/O Boosterthons) on campuses during normal school hours?
"The current version of 1370 states that principals should ensure that fundraising activities do not interfere with the instructional day. If a fundraiser does occur during the school day, it would be considered a school sponsored activity. The PTA/PTO can support the activity, but it should be sponsored by the school."
-FCPS Community Use of Facilities Coordinator



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/06/2015 09:26AM by NewHorizon.

The 5810 says any fundraiser involving students is supposed to have the money run through the school system.

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> you are not very smart Wrote:
> > I am a parent of an elementary school student,
> and
> > son of administrators.
>
> Welcome.
>
> Are administrators aware that FCPS makes no
> provision for non-school-sponsored activities (ex:
> PTA/O Boosterthons) on campuses during normal
> school hours?
> "The current
> version of 1370 states that principals should
> ensure that fundraising activities do not
> interfere with the instructional day. If a
> fundraiser does occur during the school day, it
> would be considered a school sponsored activity.
> The PTA/PTO can support the activity, but it
> should be sponsored by the school."
> -FCPS Community Use of Facilities Coordinator

so..... if principals plan the events so that they don't interrupt instructional time then they are aren't interrupting

Again, you are not thinking correctly. explain the book fair and picture day that go to the pta. its during the school day and there is a loss of instruction. what about halloween parties and birthday parties and all the things that students do in elementary schools that have nothing to do with education.

the problem with people like you is that you dont like facts and truth. answer my above questions if you care about instruction time.

you are not very smart Wrote:
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> so..... if principals plan the events so that they
> don't interrupt instructional time then they are
> aren't interrupting

If you only read the first green sentence, then I understand why my question was left open.

http://www.boosterthonlovesfairfax.com

Boosterthon's response to Fairfax residents' concerns about them.

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> you are not very smart Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > so..... if principals plan the events so that
> they
> > don't interrupt instructional time then they
> are
> > aren't interrupting
>
> If you only read the first green sentence, then I
> understand why my question was left open.


answer this for me. are you ok with other school fundraisers/activities that take away from instruction time.

you are not very smart Wrote:
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> NewHorizon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > you are not very smart Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > so..... if principals plan the events so that
> > they
> > > don't interrupt instructional time then they
> > are
> > > aren't interrupting
> >
> > If you only read the first green sentence, then
> I
> > understand why my question was left open.
>
>
> answer this for me. are you ok with other school
> fundraisers/activities that take away from
> instruction time.

No. If they take place, the fundraising organization should have to absorb the cost of the instructional hours diverted to the fundraiser.

no I am not Wrote:
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> you are not very smart Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NewHorizon Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > you are not very smart Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > so..... if principals plan the events so
> that
> > > they
> > > > don't interrupt instructional time then
> they
> > > are
> > > > aren't interrupting
> > >
> > > If you only read the first green sentence,
> then
> > I
> > > understand why my question was left open.
> >
> >
> > answer this for me. are you ok with other
> school
> > fundraisers/activities that take away from
> > instruction time.
>
> No. If they take place, the fundraising
> organization should have to absorb the cost of the
> instructional hours diverted to the fundraiser.

so would you agree that this is an issue when it comes to the Book fair, pictures, assemblies, field day and halloween parties ect.

no I am not Wrote:
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> you are not very smart Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NewHorizon Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > you are not very smart Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > so..... if principals plan the events so
> that
> > > they
> > > > don't interrupt instructional time then
> they
> > > are
> > > > aren't interrupting
> > >
> > > If you only read the first green sentence,
> then
> > I
> > > understand why my question was left open.
> >
> >
> > answer this for me. are you ok with other
> school
> > fundraisers/activities that take away from
> > instruction time.
>
> No. If they take place, the fundraising
> organization should have to absorb the cost of the
> instructional hours diverted to the fundraiser.

This should not even be happening. NO FUNDRAISERS DURING THE SCHOOL DAY is the way the policy is written. The school system is in charge of anything that goes on during the school day, so there should not be any events sponsored by an outside organization.

you are not very smart Wrote:
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> answer this for me. are you ok with other school
> fundraisers/activities that take away from
> instruction time.

You want just a "yes" or "no" for all school-sponsored and non-school-sponsored activities including - but not limited to - fundraisers, and including those which violate regulations and those that don't?

OK, you got me, there's no one-word answer I can give you.

Your turn...?

Spin Cycle Wrote:
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> http://www.boosterthonlovesfairfax.com
>
> Boosterthon's response to Fairfax residents'
> concerns about them.

An excellent list of questions!
Questions are insightful too - altho' not always in a good way.

And then there's this video of Booster's Blake practicing an in-classroom performance:
https://youtu.be/_XS6JbtdG74

you are not very smart Wrote:
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> no I am not Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > you are not very smart Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > NewHorizon Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > you are not very smart Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > so..... if principals plan the events so
> > that
> > > > they
> > > > > don't interrupt instructional time then
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > > aren't interrupting
> > > >
> > > > If you only read the first green sentence,
> > then
> > > I
> > > > understand why my question was left open.
> > >
> > >
> > > answer this for me. are you ok with other
> > school
> > > fundraisers/activities that take away from
> > > instruction time.
> >
> > No. If they take place, the fundraising
> > organization should have to absorb the cost of
> the
> > instructional hours diverted to the fundraiser.
>
> so would you agree that this is an issue when it
> comes to the Book fair, pictures, assemblies,
> field day and halloween parties ect.


are you saying that there should be no picture day, book fair etc. because that makes more sense. The school system should provide everything. they should hire people to work for the county to take picture and parents should go to the barnes and nobel to buy books.

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> you are not very smart Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > answer this for me. are you ok with other
> school
> > fundraisers/activities that take away from
> > instruction time.
>
> You want just a "yes" or "no" for all
> school-sponsored and non-school-sponsored
> activities including - but not limited to -
> fundraisers, and including those which violate
> regulations and those that don't?
>
> OK, you got me, there's no one-word answer I can
> give you.
>
> Your turn...?

wasn't trying to get you. trying to a logical conversation. the are no sponsored or non sponsored events at a school The principal has to allows all events which makes it sponsored. If she allows it then she endorses it. If she endures it she sponsors it.

This is why your fight frustrates me as a parent. you are ok with some random picture company with a random person that hasn't been vetted taking your kids names and picture. also letting the teachers parade our kids around like cattle to the library to get them excited so they come home and beg me to spend money on over priced books you could get from amazon for half the price.

you are not very smart Wrote:
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> NewHorizon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > you are not very smart Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > answer this for me. are you ok with other
> > school
> > > fundraisers/activities that take away from
> > > instruction time.
> >
> > You want just a "yes" or "no" for all
> > school-sponsored and non-school-sponsored
> > activities including - but not limited to -
> > fundraisers, and including those which violate
> > regulations and those that don't?
> >
> > OK, you got me, there's no one-word answer I
> can
> > give you.
> >
> > Your turn...?
>
> wasn't trying to get you. trying to a logical
> conversation. the are no sponsored or non
> sponsored events at a school The principal has to
> allows all events which makes it sponsored. If
> she allows it then she endorses it. If she
> endures it she sponsors it.
>

*************Exactly.


> This is why your fight frustrates me as a parent.
> you are ok with some random picture company with a
> random person that hasn't been vetted taking your
> kids names and picture. also letting the teachers
> parade our kids around like cattle to the library
> to get them excited so they come home and beg me
> to spend money on over priced books you could get
> from amazon for half the price.

**************You don't have to buy anything at the Book Fair. I agree that the continual parade of "opportunities to support your school" that come home gets old. The pressure from the kids gets old. How can you turn down a book? Please, Mom............They find that everybody likes to support different things, so they send a variety home. The school contracts with the picture people. They produce the yearbook, etc. That is just the way it is on that.

you are not very smart Wrote:
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> If she endures it she sponsors it.

The piece missed here is that all funds raised through school-sponsored fundraising activities must be receipted into the local school activity funds.

For PTA Boosterthons, contributors are asked to pay the PTA.

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> you are not very smart Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If she endures it she sponsors it.
>
> The piece missed here is that all funds raised
> through school-sponsored fundraising activities
> must be receipted into the local school activity
> funds.
>
> For PTA Boosterthons, contributors are asked to
> pay the PTA.

Bookfair's are paid directly to PTA

"If FCPS will sponsor (or co-sponsor) the activity or event, follow these guidelines:

1. Clearly advertise the activity or event as FCPS-sponsored (or co-sponsored).


2. Ensure that supervision of the planning, organizing, and completion of the activity or event is by an FCPS employee. Also, an FCPS employee must be present for the activity or event.


3. Ensure that parents or guardians of student-participants are furnished with detailed information about the activity or event. Certain activities (i.e. powderpuff football) will require written permission in order for students to participate. Please contact Risk Management for assistance with parental authorization and acknowledgement of risk forms.


4. Do not allow the school facility to be used in connection with the activity or event without adhering to appropriate Community Use directives (Regulations 8420 and 8424)."
   

http://www.fcps.edu/fs/comptroller/riskmanagement/factsheets/RM-34.pdf

you are not very smart Wrote:
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> Bookfair's are paid directly to PTA

Which doesn't mean the regulations related to managing the finances of school-sponsored activities don't exist.

Are you forgetting how kick ass the prizes are? You were a kid once, right? Why don't you let the little guys have their fun for once a year. Sure beats selling toilet paper thin wrapping paper.

Children don't deliver papers anymore to earn prizes (remember GRIT). This is a shortcut for fun.

Boosterthon goes on for 9 days. One day is quite enough for these people, thank you very kindly.

James Igor Dundren-Speckmiest Wrote:
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> Children don't deliver papers anymore to earn
> prizes (remember GRIT). This is a shortcut for
> fun.

Don't know GRIT. But yeah, these days, kids have their greedy mugs put on YouTube and wait for people to throw money at 'em: https://youtu.be/rP4qssVser8

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> James Igor Dundren-Speckmiest Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Children don't deliver papers anymore to earn
> > prizes (remember GRIT). This is a shortcut for
> > fun.
>
> Don't know GRIT. But yeah, these days, kids have
> their greedy mugs put on YouTube and wait for
> people to throw money at 'em:
> https://youtu.be/rP4qssVser8

Grit was/is a newspaper kids used to/still do sell. It was heavily advertised on the backs of comic books. A similar approach was taken with seeds.

The Boosterthon prizes are crap.

NewHorizon Wrote:
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> "If FCPS will sponsor (or
> co-sponsor) the activity or event, follow these
> guidelines:
>

1. Clearly advertise
   > the activity or event as FCPS-sponsored (or
   > co-sponsored).
2. 
   >
3. Ensure that supervision
   > of the planning, organizing, and completion of the
   > activity or event is by an FCPS employee. Also, an
   > FCPS employee must be present for the activity or
   > event.
4. 
   >
5. Ensure that parents or
   > guardians of student-participants are furnished
   > with detailed information about the activity or
   > event. Certain activities (i.e. powderpuff
   > football) will require written permission in order
   > for students to participate. Please contact Risk
   > Management for assistance with parental
   > authorization and acknowledgement of risk
   > forms.
6. 
   >
7. Do not allow the school
   > facility to be used in connection with the
   > activity or event without adhering to appropriate
   > Community Use directives (Regulations 8420 and
   > 8424)."
   >

> http://www.fcps.edu/fs/comptroller/riskmanagement/
> factsheets/RM-34.pdf


There is no existing definition of "co-sponsorship". The term does not exist and there is absolutely no way to describe this. Things are either school-sponsored or not. The terms are mutually exclusive. This has been brought up with the Administration.

YAAAY!
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Happily, Boosterthon goes on strong in FCPS. London Towne Elementary just finished up a very successful Boosterthon Fun Run and Centreville Elementary is gearing up for theirs. Good times!

boosterthonfan Wrote:
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> Happily, Boosterthon goes on strong in FCPS.
> London Towne Elementary just finished up a very
> successful Boosterthon Fun Run and Centreville
> Elementary is gearing up for theirs. Good times!

I would not call two schools going on strong.

Doing Boosterthon or any other fundraiser during the school day costs taxpayers about $13 per hour per child.

I hated the kids in elementry school who actually convinced their parents to do booster whatever the fuck that name is...because i thought it looked like a scam. IT LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING SCAM TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENT. Thats when you know something is sketchy.

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Boosterthon costs about $13/student. PTA/PTOs do not care as they do not have to pay this. This money comes from increased taxes and if Ryan McElveen and Kathy Smith get their way, a meals tax.

PTA/PTOs also like Boosterthon because they get to be in control. It would still be interesting to find out what goes on during those trips to Atlanta and if any of what goes on could be demmed as inappropriate.

Meanwhile, an Atlanta PTO using Fundrunners has risked $24K because they didn't - or couldn't - look into the financial health of the fun run company. Now that Fundrunners declared bankruptcy, the PTO may never get the donations submitted by way of the Fundrunners web site.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/local-school-risk-losing-nearly-24000-donated-fund/17243430?www.facebook.com%2FFun-Runs-Are-a-Scam-285574712738%2F

How's Booster Enterprises doin'?

Booster Enterprises is privately held and has very little in the way of transparency. Speaking of lack of transparency, pulling wisdom teeth is easier than getting information out of local PTA/PTOs or FCPS.

Just like they covered up Rademacher, they would probably cover up a Boosterthon scandal as well. Certain people like their paychecks, their meals at Sea Pearl and Ted's, their retreats, their conferences and the fact that they know there is a very limited market for online Ed.D. degrees.

Newest version of FCPS regulation R1370 finally published.

New thread: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2646631/2648317.html