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Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: vacation home ()
Date: August 24, 2020 09:57AM

Anyone else do this? I'm not trying to get around personal property taxes only emissions/inspections. I have a second home in another state that does not require any of those and the cars are garaged wherever they go.

Even if a Karen reports me, what can they do? I'm paying my personal property taxes on them and the vehicle do see a fair amount of use in the other state. The only ones I have heard have issues are the people trying to get around paying personal property taxes.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: VG4DJ ()
Date: August 24, 2020 10:03AM

its more complicated than that. the car has to be in the other state for 6 months + 1 day every year that it is registered there. Or something like that.

I have a neighbor who is career military and he is eligible to keep all his cars registered in his 'home state' and his cars are all registered here and he told me its just much easier to keep your cars registered and insured wherever you actually live.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: vacation home ()
Date: August 24, 2020 10:05AM

VG4DJ Wrote:
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> its more complicated than that. the car has to be
> in the other state for 6 months + 1 day every year
> that it is registered there. Or something like
> that.

I figured, but keep in mind they are all garaged. How on earth does anyone know where the cars have been and for how long?

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: texvn ()
Date: August 24, 2020 10:06AM

vacation home Wrote:
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> Anyone else do this? I'm not trying to get around
> personal property taxes only
> emissions/inspections.

Is it really such a burden to get your vehicles inspected once a year? Or are you purposely driving vehicles that are fucked up?

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: vacation home ()
Date: August 24, 2020 10:17AM

6 annual trips for to the gas station is a major PITA, with the exception of one all would pass with no problems. I've got 3 alone due this month which has me really considering my options, I'll start with the bikes at least.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Fairfax Tax Dept are crooks ()
Date: August 24, 2020 10:24AM

vacation home Wrote:
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> Anyone else do this? I'm not trying to get around
> personal property taxes only
> emissions/inspections. I have a second home in
> another state that does not require any of those
> and the cars are garaged wherever they go.
>
> Even if a Karen reports me, what can they do? I'm
> paying my personal property taxes on them and the
> vehicle do see a fair amount of use in the other
> state. The only ones I have heard have issues are
> the people trying to get around paying personal
> property taxes.

Any time you take the vehicle to a business for an oil change, tires, or service, it will get reported. The Fairfax County tax department then uses these records to assess taxes on out of state vehicles. The problem is most evident if your state does not assess personal property tax, because Virginia law only forbids Fairfax County from taxing a vehicle when taxes are paid elsewhere.

No trial or legal proceeding is needed for Fairfax to simply send out bills to anyone who has had a car serviced in Fairfax County and hope they stick. If you don't pay they send you to a collection agency. So make sure you always have your vehicle serviced out of state, or bribe the service station to not report the VIN to databases.

I live out of state (where vehicles are not taxed) and come to Virginia on vacation for about a week every other month to care for my parents. The County is sending me tax bills because I had bought tires and had some repairs done. I refuse to pay the bills but apparently have no legal recourse other than to dispute the credit mark if it shows up.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Choose a different county ()
Date: August 24, 2020 10:26AM

Culpeper doesn’t require emissions. On the reg form, under “county vehicle is garaged” put a county that doesn’t require emissions.

Have a bank letter with that address of u get some mouthy clerk at dmv

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: vacation home ()
Date: August 24, 2020 10:31AM

Fairfax Tax Dept are crooks Wrote:
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> vacation home Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone else do this? I'm not trying to get
> around
> > personal property taxes only
> > emissions/inspections. I have a second home in
> > another state that does not require any of
> those
> > and the cars are garaged wherever they go.
> >
> > Even if a Karen reports me, what can they do?
> I'm
> > paying my personal property taxes on them and
> the
> > vehicle do see a fair amount of use in the
> other
> > state. The only ones I have heard have issues
> are
> > the people trying to get around paying personal
> > property taxes.
>
> Any time you take the vehicle to a business for an
> oil change, tires, or service, it will get
> reported. The Fairfax County tax department then
> uses these records to assess taxes on out of state
> vehicles. The problem is most evident if your
> state does not assess personal property tax,
> because Virginia law only forbids Fairfax County
> from taxing a vehicle when taxes are paid
> elsewhere.
>
> No trial or legal proceeding is needed for Fairfax
> to simply send out bills to anyone who has had a
> car serviced in Fairfax County and hope they
> stick. If you don't pay they send you to a
> collection agency. So make sure you always have
> your vehicle serviced out of state, or bribe the
> service station to not report the VIN to
> databases.
>
> I live out of state (where vehicles are not taxed)
> and come to Virginia on vacation for about a week
> every other month to care for my parents. The
> County is sending me tax bills because I had
> bought tires and had some repairs done. I refuse
> to pay the bills but apparently have no legal
> recourse other than to dispute the credit mark if
> it shows up.

1 - I turn all my own wrenches, my vehicles never go to shops. Which is partially why I hate taking them in to be inspected.

2 - I'm not trying to get around paying PPT, I know someone else who has out of states tags, they did so with the intention of avoiding the tax. Someone reported them so they had to start paying PPT, but they still get to keep their out of state tags. The last part is all I care about.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: garage ()
Date: August 24, 2020 10:43AM

When you buy new tires, take the rims to the shop to get mounted, then and bring them home and put them on the car yourself.

Emissions inspections are only required for vehicles in the Counties of: Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William, and Stafford.
Cities of: Alexandria, Fairfax, Falls Church, Manassas, and Manassas Park.

All that said, if you park the vehicles in your own driveway or garage you should be 99.9% immune from harassment.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: vacation home ()
Date: August 24, 2020 11:04AM

I use my harbor freight tire changer and balance, both were less than $150. I do have one car with performance low profile tires I don't DIY, I just drop off the rims and tires without the car, no waiting around.

I think you're right, I will start with my bikes I don't drive too much and see if I get messed with.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Borrowed Time ()
Date: August 24, 2020 11:33AM

Tag scanners are everywhere.

They are on all police cars, placed at major intersections, attached to light poles in shopping centers. All county service equipment have scanners including garbage trucks, snow plows, and street sweepers.

Info is gathered and the offenders are tracked down. So try to keep those Delaware plates as long as you can.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: tag scanners ()
Date: August 24, 2020 12:01PM

Borrowed Time Wrote:
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> Tag scanners are everywhere.
>
> They are on all police cars, placed at major
> intersections, attached to light poles in shopping
> centers. All county service equipment have
> scanners including garbage trucks, snow plows, and
> street sweepers.
>
> Info is gathered and the offenders are tracked
> down. So try to keep those Delaware plates as long
> as you can.

Sure, but that is not yet a concern at this point and would take a few years of changes in the laws before it would be. Currently there are limitations on the use and storage of data collected from those scanners.

Again, the safe bet is to park in your own driveway or garage. Driveways are theoretically legally protected from drive-by camera data collection, but put a car cover or a piece of cardboard over the plate if you're paranoid.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: vacation home ()
Date: August 24, 2020 12:07PM

You must live in a different place, in Fairfax I see barely less than 10% of cruises equipped with ALPRs. Never seen ALPR anywhere else other than on a police car or entrance of a secure building, you need stronger foil.

Cops can't even manage the storage and recording of their body cam footage, their ALPR database is probably not as cool as you think.


Even if they did scan me and actually store that info, so what? I could have been at the beach the day prior, unless they have a GPS on my car there is no way to know how many days it's been in VA or elsewhere.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: legislative watch ()
Date: August 24, 2020 12:28PM

vacation home Wrote:
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> You must live in a different place, in Fairfax I
> see barely less than 10% of cruises equipped with
> ALPRs. Never seen ALPR anywhere else other than on
> a police car or entrance of a secure building, you
> need stronger foil.
>
> Cops can't even manage the storage and recording
> of their body cam footage, their ALPR database is
> probably not as cool as you think.
>
>
> Even if they did scan me and actually store that
> info, so what? I could have been at the beach the
> day prior, unless they have a GPS on my car there
> is no way to know how many days it's been in VA or
> elsewhere.

The uses and storage of data from license plate scanners are currently restricted by law. But it would be prudent to keep an ear to the ground for any proposed changes.

GPS tracking is not an unrealistic concern. There have actually been proposals in some states legislatures to use GPS tracking to collect road taxes, to offset decreased gasoline sales tax receipts. This type of legislation is very dangerous and could lead to all sorts of unwanted effects.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Big Brother IS watching ()
Date: August 24, 2020 03:31PM

legislative watch Wrote:
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> vacation home Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You must live in a different place, in Fairfax
> I
> > see barely less than 10% of cruises equipped
> with
> > ALPRs. Never seen ALPR anywhere else other than
> on
> > a police car or entrance of a secure building,
> you
> > need stronger foil.
> >
> > Cops can't even manage the storage and
> recording
> > of their body cam footage, their ALPR database
> is
> > probably not as cool as you think.
> >
> >
> > Even if they did scan me and actually store
> that
> > info, so what? I could have been at the beach
> the
> > day prior, unless they have a GPS on my car
> there
> > is no way to know how many days it's been in VA
> or
> > elsewhere.
>
> The uses and storage of data from license plate
> scanners are currently restricted by law. But it
> would be prudent to keep an ear to the ground for
> any proposed changes.
>
> GPS tracking is not an unrealistic concern. There
> have actually been proposals in some states
> legislatures to use GPS tracking to collect road
> taxes, to offset decreased gasoline sales tax
> receipts. This type of legislation is very
> dangerous and could lead to all sorts of unwanted
> effects.

They absolutely have them at toll booths on the Toll Road and the gantry style toll collectors on the HOT lanes, there was some d-bag wanted in Pennsylvania for Child Support or some petty bullshit who got arrested on Rt 66 by VSP after getting flagged by a plate reader in a toll booth.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Jim Rockford ()
Date: August 24, 2020 03:44PM

I see lots of Maryland tags on vehicles that are garaged in Virginia. Maybe scanners are seeing this, but the government isn't doing anything about it.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: johnny law ()
Date: August 24, 2020 03:48PM

The amount of bullshit on this thread alone is staggering.

ALPRs are only scanning for "hits". If your plate is in the system as wanted for something, it's a hit. Lots of petty shit is not in THAT system. You coulda given the ole lady a tuneup and she got a misdemeanor paper for you - and that's probably not in there. Sure, if we have another Lee Boyd Malvo/John Lee Muhammed shooting frenzy, those records around the incident will get fished out...other than that they get trashed/archived and no one ever looks at them.

Garages don't record "maintenance" with anyone of authority. The only exception is emissions which is tied to DMV and they have a paper system for inspections records.

I've known lots of people that have titled and maintained vehicles with out of state tags and have lived here for decades. As long as your plates/stickers are current, no cop is going to give you shit about it. If you get a libtard Karen that knows you are doing it and she files a report with the county and makes them follow up, then you may have an issue. Fairfax and Arlington may be the only places that would even care.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: hey johnny law.... ()
Date: August 24, 2020 06:36PM

johnny law Wrote:
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> The amount of bullshit on this thread alone is
> staggering.
>
> ALPRs are only scanning for "hits". If your plate
> is in the system as wanted for something, it's a
> hit. Lots of petty shit is not in THAT system.
> You coulda given the ole lady a tuneup and she got
> a misdemeanor paper for you - and that's probably
> not in there. Sure, if we have another Lee Boyd
> Malvo/John Lee Muhammed shooting frenzy, those
> records around the incident will get fished
> out...other than that they get trashed/archived
> and no one ever looks at them.

Correct. As of now anyway.

> Garages don't record "maintenance" with anyone of
> authority. The only exception is emissions which
> is tied to DMV and they have a paper system for
> inspections records.

Garages do record maintenance and upload the results. The Fairfax County Department of Tax Administration accesses those records and uses the information as justification for sending out fraudulent tax bills.

I know this because it has happened to me personally. I live out of state where there is no car tax, but my elderly parents live in Fairfax County. I come to visit and check on them every couple months and typically stay 9 days each visit, from Friday night to the following Sunday. About a year ago I received a tax bill from Fairfax County. I called the number and explained the car is not registered in VA and I do not live there.

Long story short the woman claimed that because the car had been serviced at auto repair shops in Fairfax, it was garaged there and tax was due as far as they were concerned. If I lived in a state where cars were taxed. they could not bill me, but since I don't pay tax elsewhere, they intend to collect. I do not intend to pay the bill, but there is no provision for any recourse.

If you don't believe me, call the Department of Tax Administration yourself and they can verify that is their practice. My guess is they use Carfax or the same database Carfax uses.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Ricky in Centreville ()
Date: August 24, 2020 06:46PM

I hope you dumbasses know the police read this website like all the time. Just sayin.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Taxpayer ()
Date: August 24, 2020 07:23PM

Jim Rockford Wrote:
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> I see lots of Maryland tags on vehicles that are
> garaged in Virginia. Maybe scanners are seeing
> this, but the government isn't doing anything
> about it.


Report the fucking free loading scum bags.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dta_taxevaders/

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: g7yhp ()
Date: August 24, 2020 07:31PM

Ricky in Centreville Wrote:
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> I hope you dumbasses know the police read this
> website like all the time. Just sayin.


So? What has been said that would lead Law Enforcement to take any action? You really think they are going to do IP traces to find a person who may/or may not have been trying to get out of getting their car inspected or pay property tax? I think you are mistaken about how Law Enforcement is currently focusing their personnel. Maybe I'm wrong...wouldn't be the first time. Hey Fairfax County Police if you are listening my neighbor above me has lived here for 6 months with California plates. Could you please pay her a visit and give her a wood shampoo? Thanks.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Taxpayer ()
Date: August 24, 2020 07:34PM

Illegal aliens from El Salvador and Honduras cost taxpayers a lot more than out of state cars.

Report the fucking free loading scum bags.

hxxps://www.fairfaxcounty.gov ...oh darn there is no way to report illegals living here.

Wonder why it is that the county has a Nazi-inspired website to facilitate neighbors make unsubstantiated claims about car registrations (which may or may not be valid) but discourages reporting of illegal aliens?

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: It’s the right thing to do ()
Date: August 24, 2020 07:36PM

I cruise the neighborhood and report them!

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dta_taxevaders/AddRecord.aspx

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: It’s the right thing to do ()
Date: August 24, 2020 07:44PM

I cruise through Hispanic neighborhoods wearing a MAGA hat and report the illegals.

To report a person you think may be in the U.S. illegally, use the Homeland Security Investigations online tip form or call 1-866-347-2423 (in the U.S., Mexico, or Canada) or 1-802-872-6199 (from other countries).

https://www.ice.gov/webform/hsi-tip-form

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: vacation home ()
Date: August 24, 2020 07:51PM

Ricky in Centreville Wrote:
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> I hope you dumbasses know the police read this
> website like all the time. Just sayin.

You know this is a county of 1.3 million, many wealthy people with second homes or retired folk doing the snowbird routine. Many of which have out of state tags.

What do you think will happen? Cops will start pulling people over with out of state plates and verifying they have 6 months or more out of state? License, registration and GPS history for the past year please.


It’s the right thing to do Wrote:
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> I cruise the neighborhood and report them!
>
> https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dta_taxevaders/AddRe
> cord.aspx




Reading comprehension fail

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: military is exempt ()
Date: August 24, 2020 08:02PM

Furthermore active duty military and joint owner spouses are exempt. A lot of military people around here don't wear uniforms when working in civilian or unattributed facility or some agency assignments.

So what is the county going to do? Mail out letters to these people saying some random shithead narc'ed on them? Even if someone non-military is reported, so long as tax is paid elsewhere and the person has a good story, Fairfax won't get squat.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Ricky in Centreville ()
Date: August 24, 2020 08:05PM

All I'm saying is if the police read this, they will be on your ass like white on rice. And your ass will be grass.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: not likely ()
Date: August 24, 2020 08:31PM

Ricky in Centreville Wrote:
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> All I'm saying is if the police read this, they
> will be on your ass like white on rice. And your
> ass will be grass.

Not likely.

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Re: Registering a car in another state while living in VA
Posted by: Steve R ()
Date: August 24, 2020 09:59PM

Ricky in Centreville Wrote:
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> All I'm saying is if the police read this, they
> will be on your ass like white on rice. And your
> ass will be grass.


Indeed plenty of cops read stuff here. And none of them give a shit about anyone having out of state plates. You think cops like paying taxes?

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