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What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Coeus
()
Date: April 19, 2018 05:38PM
“Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was coined by a German biologist and philosopher that basically means, the evolution of a species (over a course of time), tends to match pretty well with how a specific member of that species individually develops (over their lifetime). This in of itself does not explain what happens when we die but is the key to truly understanding how and why we continue to exist after death.
Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short, human evolution can be traced back to a one celled organism and everything in between (fish-like creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This took billions of years to happen. Before that, life did not exist … non-living matter in the primordial soup. But life did come from non-living matter at one point in time. Same goes for individual human development from sperm/egg. Sperm and eggs are created from our parents and the food they ate (plants/animals), which in part was developed from inert matter and dirt in the ground at some point in time. Cells divide, we become a fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually continue to develop into fully formed “intelligent” adults with advanced human brains. These brains are basically equal to the advanced human brains that developed in evolution (because they’re the same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and 18-21 years before full development, our brains essentially go through the same development that it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
On the surface, this means nothing for the “what’s next question” though and doesn’t answer what happens when we die. But if you take these parallel paths based on the non-physical progress of human evolution/development, you can come up with a pretty solid theory as to what will happen next for human evolution, and what happens when our bodies and brains cease to function as we know it.
Basically, through evolution and human development, we see a continuous path of evolving consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is more complex but ultimately, we max out. In evolution and human development, we went from small cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a heartbeat (womb), initial brain development (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to others (from adolescence through adulthood). There is unlikely to be any further human evolution and we have basically evolved ourselves out of any more evolution. This happened becoming controllers of our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a slave to your environment, is the key to what spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t develop beyond a fully grown human brain because we are limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So, to track the next step in both processes, you have to identify what is the next stage of consciousness.
If you take “self-consciousness” as the last evolved and developed form of consciousness and track the development, then you can infer that the next stage would logically be “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve into some sort of empathetic/altruistic species, because there’s nothing pushing for this as an “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for this trait will result in a person being less likely to pass on their genes, so our brains are no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see very small bits of this, which is based in empathy (which is interestingly the last emotion to evolve and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some sort of borg-like collective consciousness species. If you argue that humans may eventually reach this phase, there is reason to think it’s possible through AI. In the future, we will be able to digitally replicate our brains and these digital replications will have the ability to interact with other digitally replicated brains. Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’ war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to compete with this “creation” and we’ll probably die out to this more advanced “human species.” Westworld and Terminator are on to something - this is nothing new.
But others-consciousness is not only theoretically possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we kill ourselves before then). Individually, the only way to reach this in our “life-time” is to be freed what is preventing us from the experience/brains of others. What is preventing us from further consciousness is the same in both evolution and development, our bodies. However, when we die, we are freed from those constraints/limitations and we become “one with the universe” (I know, that’s really lame, but it sums it up). What is left of “us” and our consciousness will be able to interact/instantly become aware with everything that has ever lived and had a thought. You are still “you,” because you have individual experiences for context, but we also gain a true knowledge of everything that ever happened to everyone. It’s pretty intense. In a way, we become what some people may call “god.” We had to live and had to have individual experiences in life in order to have any perspective of this, but at this point will gain true empathy of everything else in the world. We become all-knowing and a perfect being (along with billions of other life-forms).
This just sounds like some crazy theory until you look at what science is beginning to learn about our brains. If you take the whole AI argument out of it (so no more evolution, only individual death now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate that we continue to develop consciousness after we die. You can look at out of body experiences and near-death experiences. Although the most common medical argument is that these are biproducts from hormones and chemicals that are released when we die, there is reason to believe this is not only the case. A near-death experience should never have developed…we should never be comforted by death and never be complacent to it…basically, the death process should be as terrifying as possible so people avoid it at all cost. That would result in a favorable trait/higher fitness/survival and those with this trait would have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the fact that it exists at all, partially proves it’s either a gift from an altruistic creator or something more.
There is also scientific evidence that this transformation/evolution of consciousness can be accessed through drugs of various forms. This includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca. Other hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the response less efficiently…and no, I do not recommend trying any of these while alive. They do however offer some glimpse into what death is like since it’s been found that people who take these will report being out of their body, being able to communicate with superior life-forms, being “one with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s pretty fascinating. The most informative reason that DMT is different from other “drugs” and relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of mimic natural chemicals that are released by the pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for debate though. There is a researcher, David E. Nichols, who says that this is not possible because the pineal gland is too small and can’t actually produce such a large dose. This actually merits more truth to the argument towards evolution of consciousness when we die because it seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT) isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s more to it. It’s a process but the naturally occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are involved. You can also touch upon this realm when experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid dream/purposefully interact with the other realm, but this is really difficult to do and really only a small fraction of insight into it. Still though, kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get past the terror the hallucinations and paralysis initially cause.
So there you have it, you evolve into everyone. There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same place as Hitler. But you also go the same place as everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about and you become another you that is everything. It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome. But don’t rush there because that’s not good either. While on earth, there is every motivation to do good unto others. The whole point is to be a good person during your time here and you reap the benefits when you get to the next place. If hurt others or cause harm during your time here, when you gain this level of understanding/consciousness and personally experience and comprehend the harm you’ve done, you will basically be living in your own personal hell.
Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short, human evolution can be traced back to a one celled organism and everything in between (fish-like creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This took billions of years to happen. Before that, life did not exist … non-living matter in the primordial soup. But life did come from non-living matter at one point in time. Same goes for individual human development from sperm/egg. Sperm and eggs are created from our parents and the food they ate (plants/animals), which in part was developed from inert matter and dirt in the ground at some point in time. Cells divide, we become a fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually continue to develop into fully formed “intelligent” adults with advanced human brains. These brains are basically equal to the advanced human brains that developed in evolution (because they’re the same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and 18-21 years before full development, our brains essentially go through the same development that it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
On the surface, this means nothing for the “what’s next question” though and doesn’t answer what happens when we die. But if you take these parallel paths based on the non-physical progress of human evolution/development, you can come up with a pretty solid theory as to what will happen next for human evolution, and what happens when our bodies and brains cease to function as we know it.
Basically, through evolution and human development, we see a continuous path of evolving consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is more complex but ultimately, we max out. In evolution and human development, we went from small cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a heartbeat (womb), initial brain development (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to others (from adolescence through adulthood). There is unlikely to be any further human evolution and we have basically evolved ourselves out of any more evolution. This happened becoming controllers of our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a slave to your environment, is the key to what spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t develop beyond a fully grown human brain because we are limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So, to track the next step in both processes, you have to identify what is the next stage of consciousness.
If you take “self-consciousness” as the last evolved and developed form of consciousness and track the development, then you can infer that the next stage would logically be “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve into some sort of empathetic/altruistic species, because there’s nothing pushing for this as an “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for this trait will result in a person being less likely to pass on their genes, so our brains are no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see very small bits of this, which is based in empathy (which is interestingly the last emotion to evolve and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some sort of borg-like collective consciousness species. If you argue that humans may eventually reach this phase, there is reason to think it’s possible through AI. In the future, we will be able to digitally replicate our brains and these digital replications will have the ability to interact with other digitally replicated brains. Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’ war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to compete with this “creation” and we’ll probably die out to this more advanced “human species.” Westworld and Terminator are on to something - this is nothing new.
But others-consciousness is not only theoretically possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we kill ourselves before then). Individually, the only way to reach this in our “life-time” is to be freed what is preventing us from the experience/brains of others. What is preventing us from further consciousness is the same in both evolution and development, our bodies. However, when we die, we are freed from those constraints/limitations and we become “one with the universe” (I know, that’s really lame, but it sums it up). What is left of “us” and our consciousness will be able to interact/instantly become aware with everything that has ever lived and had a thought. You are still “you,” because you have individual experiences for context, but we also gain a true knowledge of everything that ever happened to everyone. It’s pretty intense. In a way, we become what some people may call “god.” We had to live and had to have individual experiences in life in order to have any perspective of this, but at this point will gain true empathy of everything else in the world. We become all-knowing and a perfect being (along with billions of other life-forms).
This just sounds like some crazy theory until you look at what science is beginning to learn about our brains. If you take the whole AI argument out of it (so no more evolution, only individual death now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate that we continue to develop consciousness after we die. You can look at out of body experiences and near-death experiences. Although the most common medical argument is that these are biproducts from hormones and chemicals that are released when we die, there is reason to believe this is not only the case. A near-death experience should never have developed…we should never be comforted by death and never be complacent to it…basically, the death process should be as terrifying as possible so people avoid it at all cost. That would result in a favorable trait/higher fitness/survival and those with this trait would have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the fact that it exists at all, partially proves it’s either a gift from an altruistic creator or something more.
There is also scientific evidence that this transformation/evolution of consciousness can be accessed through drugs of various forms. This includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca. Other hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the response less efficiently…and no, I do not recommend trying any of these while alive. They do however offer some glimpse into what death is like since it’s been found that people who take these will report being out of their body, being able to communicate with superior life-forms, being “one with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s pretty fascinating. The most informative reason that DMT is different from other “drugs” and relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of mimic natural chemicals that are released by the pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for debate though. There is a researcher, David E. Nichols, who says that this is not possible because the pineal gland is too small and can’t actually produce such a large dose. This actually merits more truth to the argument towards evolution of consciousness when we die because it seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT) isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s more to it. It’s a process but the naturally occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are involved. You can also touch upon this realm when experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid dream/purposefully interact with the other realm, but this is really difficult to do and really only a small fraction of insight into it. Still though, kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get past the terror the hallucinations and paralysis initially cause.
So there you have it, you evolve into everyone. There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same place as Hitler. But you also go the same place as everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about and you become another you that is everything. It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome. But don’t rush there because that’s not good either. While on earth, there is every motivation to do good unto others. The whole point is to be a good person during your time here and you reap the benefits when you get to the next place. If hurt others or cause harm during your time here, when you gain this level of understanding/consciousness and personally experience and comprehend the harm you’ve done, you will basically be living in your own personal hell.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Date: April 19, 2018 06:15PM
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
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Date: April 19, 2018 06:32PM
Coeus Wrote:
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> “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was coined
> by a German biologist and philosopher that
> basically means, the evolution of a species (over
> a course of time), tends to match pretty well with
> how a specific member of that species individually
> develops (over their lifetime). This in of itself
> does not explain what happens when we die but is
> the key to truly understanding how and why we
> continue to exist after death.
>
> Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short, human
> evolution can be traced back to a one celled
> organism and everything in between (fish-like
> creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This
> took billions of years to happen. Before that,
> life did not exist … non-living matter in the
> primordial soup. But life did come from non-living
> matter at one point in time. Same goes for
> individual human development from sperm/egg. Sperm
> and eggs are created from our parents and the food
> they ate (plants/animals), which in part was
> developed from inert matter and dirt in the ground
> at some point in time. Cells divide, we become a
> fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually continue
> to develop into fully formed “intelligent”
> adults with advanced human brains. These brains
> are basically equal to the advanced human brains
> that developed in evolution (because they’re the
> same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and
> 18-21 years before full development, our brains
> essentially go through the same development that
> it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
>
> On the surface, this means nothing for the
> “what’s next question” though and doesn’t
> answer what happens when we die. But if you take
> these parallel paths based on the non-physical
> progress of human evolution/development, you can
> come up with a pretty solid theory as to what will
> happen next for human evolution, and what happens
> when our bodies and brains cease to function as we
> know it.
>
> Basically, through evolution and human
> development, we see a continuous path of evolving
> consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is more
> complex but ultimately, we max out. In evolution
> and human development, we went from small
> cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a
> heartbeat (womb), initial brain development
> (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of
> environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness
> (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older
> child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to others
> (from adolescence through adulthood). There is
> unlikely to be any further human evolution and we
> have basically evolved ourselves out of any more
> evolution. This happened becoming controllers of
> our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a
> slave to your environment, is the key to what
> spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t develop
> beyond a fully grown human brain because we are
> limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So, to
> track the next step in both processes, you have to
> identify what is the next stage of consciousness.
>
>
> If you take “self-consciousness” as the last
> evolved and developed form of consciousness and
> track the development, then you can infer that the
> next stage would logically be
> “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve into
> some sort of empathetic/altruistic species,
> because there’s nothing pushing for this as an
> “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for
> this trait will result in a person being less
> likely to pass on their genes, so our brains are
> no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see very
> small bits of this, which is based in empathy
> (which is interestingly the last emotion to evolve
> and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some
> sort of borg-like collective consciousness
> species. If you argue that humans may eventually
> reach this phase, there is reason to think it’s
> possible through AI. In the future, we will be
> able to digitally replicate our brains and these
> digital replications will have the ability to
> interact with other digitally replicated brains.
> Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’
> war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to compete
> with this “creation” and we’ll probably die
> out to this more advanced “human species.”
> Westworld and Terminator are on to something -
> this is nothing new.
>
> But others-consciousness is not only theoretically
> possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we
> kill ourselves before then). Individually, the
> only way to reach this in our “life-time” is
> to be freed what is preventing us from the
> experience/brains of others. What is preventing us
> from further consciousness is the same in both
> evolution and development, our bodies. However,
> when we die, we are freed from those
> constraints/limitations and we become “one with
> the universe” (I know, that’s really lame, but
> it sums it up). What is left of “us” and our
> consciousness will be able to interact/instantly
> become aware with everything that has ever lived
> and had a thought. You are still “you,”
> because you have individual experiences for
> context, but we also gain a true knowledge of
> everything that ever happened to everyone. It’s
> pretty intense. In a way, we become what some
> people may call “god.” We had to live and had
> to have individual experiences in life in order to
> have any perspective of this, but at this point
> will gain true empathy of everything else in the
> world. We become all-knowing and a perfect being
> (along with billions of other life-forms).
>
> This just sounds like some crazy theory until you
> look at what science is beginning to learn about
> our brains. If you take the whole AI argument out
> of it (so no more evolution, only individual death
> now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate that
> we continue to develop consciousness after we die.
> You can look at out of body experiences and
> near-death experiences. Although the most common
> medical argument is that these are biproducts from
> hormones and chemicals that are released when we
> die, there is reason to believe this is not only
> the case. A near-death experience should never
> have developed…we should never be comforted by
> death and never be complacent to it…basically,
> the death process should be as terrifying as
> possible so people avoid it at all cost. That
> would result in a favorable trait/higher
> fitness/survival and those with this trait would
> have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the fact
> that it exists at all, partially proves it’s
> either a gift from an altruistic creator or
> something more.
>
> There is also scientific evidence that this
> transformation/evolution of consciousness can be
> accessed through drugs of various forms. This
> includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca. Other
> hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the
> response less efficiently…and no, I do not
> recommend trying any of these while alive. They do
> however offer some glimpse into what death is like
> since it’s been found that people who take these
> will report being out of their body, being able to
> communicate with superior life-forms, being “one
> with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s
> pretty fascinating. The most informative reason
> that DMT is different from other “drugs” and
> relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of
> mimic natural chemicals that are released by the
> pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for
> debate though. There is a researcher, David E.
> Nichols, who says that this is not possible
> because the pineal gland is too small and can’t
> actually produce such a large dose. This actually
> merits more truth to the argument towards
> evolution of consciousness when we die because it
> seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT)
> isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s
> more to it. It’s a process but the naturally
> occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are
> involved. You can also touch upon this realm when
> experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused
> through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people
> can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid
> dream/purposefully interact with the other realm,
> but this is really difficult to do and really only
> a small fraction of insight into it. Still though,
> kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get
> past the terror the hallucinations and paralysis
> initially cause.
>
> So there you have it, you evolve into everyone.
> There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same place
> as Hitler. But you also go the same place as
> everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about
> and you become another you that is everything.
> It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome.
> But don’t rush there because that’s not good
> either. While on earth, there is every motivation
> to do good unto others. The whole point is to be a
> good person during your time here and you reap the
> benefits when you get to the next place. If hurt
> others or cause harm during your time here, when
> you gain this level of understanding/consciousness
> and personally experience and comprehend the harm
> you’ve done, you will basically be living in
> your own personal hell.
Come down yet?
-------------------------------------------------------
> “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was coined
> by a German biologist and philosopher that
> basically means, the evolution of a species (over
> a course of time), tends to match pretty well with
> how a specific member of that species individually
> develops (over their lifetime). This in of itself
> does not explain what happens when we die but is
> the key to truly understanding how and why we
> continue to exist after death.
>
> Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short, human
> evolution can be traced back to a one celled
> organism and everything in between (fish-like
> creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This
> took billions of years to happen. Before that,
> life did not exist … non-living matter in the
> primordial soup. But life did come from non-living
> matter at one point in time. Same goes for
> individual human development from sperm/egg. Sperm
> and eggs are created from our parents and the food
> they ate (plants/animals), which in part was
> developed from inert matter and dirt in the ground
> at some point in time. Cells divide, we become a
> fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually continue
> to develop into fully formed “intelligent”
> adults with advanced human brains. These brains
> are basically equal to the advanced human brains
> that developed in evolution (because they’re the
> same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and
> 18-21 years before full development, our brains
> essentially go through the same development that
> it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
>
> On the surface, this means nothing for the
> “what’s next question” though and doesn’t
> answer what happens when we die. But if you take
> these parallel paths based on the non-physical
> progress of human evolution/development, you can
> come up with a pretty solid theory as to what will
> happen next for human evolution, and what happens
> when our bodies and brains cease to function as we
> know it.
>
> Basically, through evolution and human
> development, we see a continuous path of evolving
> consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is more
> complex but ultimately, we max out. In evolution
> and human development, we went from small
> cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a
> heartbeat (womb), initial brain development
> (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of
> environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness
> (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older
> child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to others
> (from adolescence through adulthood). There is
> unlikely to be any further human evolution and we
> have basically evolved ourselves out of any more
> evolution. This happened becoming controllers of
> our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a
> slave to your environment, is the key to what
> spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t develop
> beyond a fully grown human brain because we are
> limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So, to
> track the next step in both processes, you have to
> identify what is the next stage of consciousness.
>
>
> If you take “self-consciousness” as the last
> evolved and developed form of consciousness and
> track the development, then you can infer that the
> next stage would logically be
> “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve into
> some sort of empathetic/altruistic species,
> because there’s nothing pushing for this as an
> “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for
> this trait will result in a person being less
> likely to pass on their genes, so our brains are
> no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see very
> small bits of this, which is based in empathy
> (which is interestingly the last emotion to evolve
> and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some
> sort of borg-like collective consciousness
> species. If you argue that humans may eventually
> reach this phase, there is reason to think it’s
> possible through AI. In the future, we will be
> able to digitally replicate our brains and these
> digital replications will have the ability to
> interact with other digitally replicated brains.
> Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’
> war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to compete
> with this “creation” and we’ll probably die
> out to this more advanced “human species.”
> Westworld and Terminator are on to something -
> this is nothing new.
>
> But others-consciousness is not only theoretically
> possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we
> kill ourselves before then). Individually, the
> only way to reach this in our “life-time” is
> to be freed what is preventing us from the
> experience/brains of others. What is preventing us
> from further consciousness is the same in both
> evolution and development, our bodies. However,
> when we die, we are freed from those
> constraints/limitations and we become “one with
> the universe” (I know, that’s really lame, but
> it sums it up). What is left of “us” and our
> consciousness will be able to interact/instantly
> become aware with everything that has ever lived
> and had a thought. You are still “you,”
> because you have individual experiences for
> context, but we also gain a true knowledge of
> everything that ever happened to everyone. It’s
> pretty intense. In a way, we become what some
> people may call “god.” We had to live and had
> to have individual experiences in life in order to
> have any perspective of this, but at this point
> will gain true empathy of everything else in the
> world. We become all-knowing and a perfect being
> (along with billions of other life-forms).
>
> This just sounds like some crazy theory until you
> look at what science is beginning to learn about
> our brains. If you take the whole AI argument out
> of it (so no more evolution, only individual death
> now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate that
> we continue to develop consciousness after we die.
> You can look at out of body experiences and
> near-death experiences. Although the most common
> medical argument is that these are biproducts from
> hormones and chemicals that are released when we
> die, there is reason to believe this is not only
> the case. A near-death experience should never
> have developed…we should never be comforted by
> death and never be complacent to it…basically,
> the death process should be as terrifying as
> possible so people avoid it at all cost. That
> would result in a favorable trait/higher
> fitness/survival and those with this trait would
> have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the fact
> that it exists at all, partially proves it’s
> either a gift from an altruistic creator or
> something more.
>
> There is also scientific evidence that this
> transformation/evolution of consciousness can be
> accessed through drugs of various forms. This
> includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca. Other
> hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the
> response less efficiently…and no, I do not
> recommend trying any of these while alive. They do
> however offer some glimpse into what death is like
> since it’s been found that people who take these
> will report being out of their body, being able to
> communicate with superior life-forms, being “one
> with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s
> pretty fascinating. The most informative reason
> that DMT is different from other “drugs” and
> relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of
> mimic natural chemicals that are released by the
> pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for
> debate though. There is a researcher, David E.
> Nichols, who says that this is not possible
> because the pineal gland is too small and can’t
> actually produce such a large dose. This actually
> merits more truth to the argument towards
> evolution of consciousness when we die because it
> seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT)
> isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s
> more to it. It’s a process but the naturally
> occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are
> involved. You can also touch upon this realm when
> experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused
> through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people
> can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid
> dream/purposefully interact with the other realm,
> but this is really difficult to do and really only
> a small fraction of insight into it. Still though,
> kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get
> past the terror the hallucinations and paralysis
> initially cause.
>
> So there you have it, you evolve into everyone.
> There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same place
> as Hitler. But you also go the same place as
> everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about
> and you become another you that is everything.
> It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome.
> But don’t rush there because that’s not good
> either. While on earth, there is every motivation
> to do good unto others. The whole point is to be a
> good person during your time here and you reap the
> benefits when you get to the next place. If hurt
> others or cause harm during your time here, when
> you gain this level of understanding/consciousness
> and personally experience and comprehend the harm
> you’ve done, you will basically be living in
> your own personal hell.
Come down yet?
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Too long didn't read
()
Date: April 19, 2018 06:40PM
There is help you know Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MS-13 Wrote: https://youtu.be/DvomV1Rxs4k
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was
> coined
> > by a German biologist and philosopher that
> > basically means, the evolution of a species
> (over
> > a course of time), tends to match pretty well
> with
> > how a specific member of that species
> individually
> > develops (over their lifetime). This in of
> itself
> > does not explain what happens when we die but
> is
> > the key to truly understanding how and why we
> > continue to exist after death.
> >
> > Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short,
> human
> > evolution can be traced back to a one celled
> > organism and everything in between (fish-like
> > creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This
> > took billions of years to happen. Before that,
> > life did not exist … non-living matter in the
> > primordial soup. But life did come from
> non-living
> > matter at one point in time. Same goes for
> > individual human development from sperm/egg.
> Sperm
> > and eggs are created from our parents and the
> food
> > they ate (plants/animals), which in part was
> > developed from inert matter and dirt in the
> ground
> > at some point in time. Cells divide, we become
> a
> > fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually
> continue
> > to develop into fully formed “intelligent”
> > adults with advanced human brains. These brains
> > are basically equal to the advanced human
> brains
> > that developed in evolution (because they’re
> the
> > same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and
> > 18-21 years before full development, our brains
> > essentially go through the same development
> that
> > it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
> >
> > On the surface, this means nothing for the
> > “what’s next question” though and
> doesn’t
> > answer what happens when we die. But if you
> take
> > these parallel paths based on the non-physical
> > progress of human evolution/development, you
> can
> > come up with a pretty solid theory as to what
> will
> > happen next for human evolution, and what
> happens
> > when our bodies and brains cease to function as
> we
> > know it.
> >
> > Basically, through evolution and human
> > development, we see a continuous path of
> evolving
> > consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is
> more
> > complex but ultimately, we max out. In
> evolution
> > and human development, we went from small
> > cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a
> > heartbeat (womb), initial brain development
> > (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of
> > environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness
> > (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older
> > child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to
> others
> > (from adolescence through adulthood). There is
> > unlikely to be any further human evolution and
> we
> > have basically evolved ourselves out of any
> more
> > evolution. This happened becoming controllers
> of
> > our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a
> > slave to your environment, is the key to what
> > spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t
> develop
> > beyond a fully grown human brain because we are
> > limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So,
> to
> > track the next step in both processes, you have
> to
> > identify what is the next stage of
> consciousness.
> >
> >
> > If you take “self-consciousness” as the
> last
> > evolved and developed form of consciousness and
> > track the development, then you can infer that
> the
> > next stage would logically be
> > “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve
> into
> > some sort of empathetic/altruistic species,
> > because there’s nothing pushing for this as
> an
> > “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for
> > this trait will result in a person being less
> > likely to pass on their genes, so our brains
> are
> > no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see
> very
> > small bits of this, which is based in empathy
> > (which is interestingly the last emotion to
> evolve
> > and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some
> > sort of borg-like collective consciousness
> > species. If you argue that humans may
> eventually
> > reach this phase, there is reason to think
> it’s
> > possible through AI. In the future, we will be
> > able to digitally replicate our brains and
> these
> > digital replications will have the ability to
> > interact with other digitally replicated
> brains.
> > Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’
> > war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to
> compete
> > with this “creation” and we’ll probably
> die
> > out to this more advanced “human species.”
> > Westworld and Terminator are on to something -
> > this is nothing new.
> >
> > But others-consciousness is not only
> theoretically
> > possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we
> > kill ourselves before then). Individually, the
> > only way to reach this in our “life-time”
> is
> > to be freed what is preventing us from the
> > experience/brains of others. What is preventing
> us
> > from further consciousness is the same in both
> > evolution and development, our bodies. However,
> > when we die, we are freed from those
> > constraints/limitations and we become “one
> with
> > the universe” (I know, that’s really lame,
> but
> > it sums it up). What is left of “us” and
> our
> > consciousness will be able to
> interact/instantly
> > become aware with everything that has ever
> lived
> > and had a thought. You are still “you,”
> > because you have individual experiences for
> > context, but we also gain a true knowledge of
> > everything that ever happened to everyone.
> It’s
> > pretty intense. In a way, we become what some
> > people may call “god.” We had to live and
> had
> > to have individual experiences in life in order
> to
> > have any perspective of this, but at this point
> > will gain true empathy of everything else in
> the
> > world. We become all-knowing and a perfect
> being
> > (along with billions of other life-forms).
> >
> > This just sounds like some crazy theory until
> you
> > look at what science is beginning to learn
> about
> > our brains. If you take the whole AI argument
> out
> > of it (so no more evolution, only individual
> death
> > now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate
> that
> > we continue to develop consciousness after we
> die.
> > You can look at out of body experiences and
> > near-death experiences. Although the most
> common
> > medical argument is that these are biproducts
> from
> > hormones and chemicals that are released when
> we
> > die, there is reason to believe this is not
> only
> > the case. A near-death experience should never
> > have developed…we should never be comforted
> by
> > death and never be complacent to
> it…basically,
> > the death process should be as terrifying as
> > possible so people avoid it at all cost. That
> > would result in a favorable trait/higher
> > fitness/survival and those with this trait
> would
> > have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the
> fact
> > that it exists at all, partially proves it’s
> > either a gift from an altruistic creator or
> > something more.
> >
> > There is also scientific evidence that this
> > transformation/evolution of consciousness can
> be
> > accessed through drugs of various forms. This
> > includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca.
> Other
> > hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the
> > response less efficiently…and no, I do not
> > recommend trying any of these while alive. They
> do
> > however offer some glimpse into what death is
> like
> > since it’s been found that people who take
> these
> > will report being out of their body, being able
> to
> > communicate with superior life-forms, being
> “one
> > with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s
> > pretty fascinating. The most informative reason
> > that DMT is different from other “drugs”
> and
> > relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of
> > mimic natural chemicals that are released by
> the
> > pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for
> > debate though. There is a researcher, David E.
> > Nichols, who says that this is not possible
> > because the pineal gland is too small and
> can’t
> > actually produce such a large dose. This
> actually
> > merits more truth to the argument towards
> > evolution of consciousness when we die because
> it
> > seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT)
> > isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s
> > more to it. It’s a process but the naturally
> > occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are
> > involved. You can also touch upon this realm
> when
> > experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused
> > through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people
> > can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid
> > dream/purposefully interact with the other
> realm,
> > but this is really difficult to do and really
> only
> > a small fraction of insight into it. Still
> though,
> > kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get
> > past the terror the hallucinations and
> paralysis
> > initially cause.
> >
> > So there you have it, you evolve into everyone.
> > There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same
> place
> > as Hitler. But you also go the same place as
> > everyone and everything you’ve ever cared
> about
> > and you become another you that is everything.
> > It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome.
> > But don’t rush there because that’s not
> good
> > either. While on earth, there is every
> motivation
> > to do good unto others. The whole point is to be
> a
> > good person during your time here and you reap
> the
> > benefits when you get to the next place. If
> hurt
> > others or cause harm during your time here,
> when
> > you gain this level of
> understanding/consciousness
> > and personally experience and comprehend the
> harm
> > you’ve done, you will basically be living in
> > your own personal hell.
>
> Come down yet?
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> MS-13 Wrote: https://youtu.be/DvomV1Rxs4k
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was
> coined
> > by a German biologist and philosopher that
> > basically means, the evolution of a species
> (over
> > a course of time), tends to match pretty well
> with
> > how a specific member of that species
> individually
> > develops (over their lifetime). This in of
> itself
> > does not explain what happens when we die but
> is
> > the key to truly understanding how and why we
> > continue to exist after death.
> >
> > Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short,
> human
> > evolution can be traced back to a one celled
> > organism and everything in between (fish-like
> > creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This
> > took billions of years to happen. Before that,
> > life did not exist … non-living matter in the
> > primordial soup. But life did come from
> non-living
> > matter at one point in time. Same goes for
> > individual human development from sperm/egg.
> Sperm
> > and eggs are created from our parents and the
> food
> > they ate (plants/animals), which in part was
> > developed from inert matter and dirt in the
> ground
> > at some point in time. Cells divide, we become
> a
> > fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually
> continue
> > to develop into fully formed “intelligent”
> > adults with advanced human brains. These brains
> > are basically equal to the advanced human
> brains
> > that developed in evolution (because they’re
> the
> > same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and
> > 18-21 years before full development, our brains
> > essentially go through the same development
> that
> > it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
> >
> > On the surface, this means nothing for the
> > “what’s next question” though and
> doesn’t
> > answer what happens when we die. But if you
> take
> > these parallel paths based on the non-physical
> > progress of human evolution/development, you
> can
> > come up with a pretty solid theory as to what
> will
> > happen next for human evolution, and what
> happens
> > when our bodies and brains cease to function as
> we
> > know it.
> >
> > Basically, through evolution and human
> > development, we see a continuous path of
> evolving
> > consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is
> more
> > complex but ultimately, we max out. In
> evolution
> > and human development, we went from small
> > cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a
> > heartbeat (womb), initial brain development
> > (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of
> > environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness
> > (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older
> > child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to
> others
> > (from adolescence through adulthood). There is
> > unlikely to be any further human evolution and
> we
> > have basically evolved ourselves out of any
> more
> > evolution. This happened becoming controllers
> of
> > our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a
> > slave to your environment, is the key to what
> > spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t
> develop
> > beyond a fully grown human brain because we are
> > limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So,
> to
> > track the next step in both processes, you have
> to
> > identify what is the next stage of
> consciousness.
> >
> >
> > If you take “self-consciousness” as the
> last
> > evolved and developed form of consciousness and
> > track the development, then you can infer that
> the
> > next stage would logically be
> > “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve
> into
> > some sort of empathetic/altruistic species,
> > because there’s nothing pushing for this as
> an
> > “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for
> > this trait will result in a person being less
> > likely to pass on their genes, so our brains
> are
> > no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see
> very
> > small bits of this, which is based in empathy
> > (which is interestingly the last emotion to
> evolve
> > and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some
> > sort of borg-like collective consciousness
> > species. If you argue that humans may
> eventually
> > reach this phase, there is reason to think
> it’s
> > possible through AI. In the future, we will be
> > able to digitally replicate our brains and
> these
> > digital replications will have the ability to
> > interact with other digitally replicated
> brains.
> > Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’
> > war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to
> compete
> > with this “creation” and we’ll probably
> die
> > out to this more advanced “human species.”
> > Westworld and Terminator are on to something -
> > this is nothing new.
> >
> > But others-consciousness is not only
> theoretically
> > possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we
> > kill ourselves before then). Individually, the
> > only way to reach this in our “life-time”
> is
> > to be freed what is preventing us from the
> > experience/brains of others. What is preventing
> us
> > from further consciousness is the same in both
> > evolution and development, our bodies. However,
> > when we die, we are freed from those
> > constraints/limitations and we become “one
> with
> > the universe” (I know, that’s really lame,
> but
> > it sums it up). What is left of “us” and
> our
> > consciousness will be able to
> interact/instantly
> > become aware with everything that has ever
> lived
> > and had a thought. You are still “you,”
> > because you have individual experiences for
> > context, but we also gain a true knowledge of
> > everything that ever happened to everyone.
> It’s
> > pretty intense. In a way, we become what some
> > people may call “god.” We had to live and
> had
> > to have individual experiences in life in order
> to
> > have any perspective of this, but at this point
> > will gain true empathy of everything else in
> the
> > world. We become all-knowing and a perfect
> being
> > (along with billions of other life-forms).
> >
> > This just sounds like some crazy theory until
> you
> > look at what science is beginning to learn
> about
> > our brains. If you take the whole AI argument
> out
> > of it (so no more evolution, only individual
> death
> > now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate
> that
> > we continue to develop consciousness after we
> die.
> > You can look at out of body experiences and
> > near-death experiences. Although the most
> common
> > medical argument is that these are biproducts
> from
> > hormones and chemicals that are released when
> we
> > die, there is reason to believe this is not
> only
> > the case. A near-death experience should never
> > have developed…we should never be comforted
> by
> > death and never be complacent to
> it…basically,
> > the death process should be as terrifying as
> > possible so people avoid it at all cost. That
> > would result in a favorable trait/higher
> > fitness/survival and those with this trait
> would
> > have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the
> fact
> > that it exists at all, partially proves it’s
> > either a gift from an altruistic creator or
> > something more.
> >
> > There is also scientific evidence that this
> > transformation/evolution of consciousness can
> be
> > accessed through drugs of various forms. This
> > includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca.
> Other
> > hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the
> > response less efficiently…and no, I do not
> > recommend trying any of these while alive. They
> do
> > however offer some glimpse into what death is
> like
> > since it’s been found that people who take
> these
> > will report being out of their body, being able
> to
> > communicate with superior life-forms, being
> “one
> > with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s
> > pretty fascinating. The most informative reason
> > that DMT is different from other “drugs”
> and
> > relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of
> > mimic natural chemicals that are released by
> the
> > pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for
> > debate though. There is a researcher, David E.
> > Nichols, who says that this is not possible
> > because the pineal gland is too small and
> can’t
> > actually produce such a large dose. This
> actually
> > merits more truth to the argument towards
> > evolution of consciousness when we die because
> it
> > seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT)
> > isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s
> > more to it. It’s a process but the naturally
> > occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are
> > involved. You can also touch upon this realm
> when
> > experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused
> > through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people
> > can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid
> > dream/purposefully interact with the other
> realm,
> > but this is really difficult to do and really
> only
> > a small fraction of insight into it. Still
> though,
> > kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get
> > past the terror the hallucinations and
> paralysis
> > initially cause.
> >
> > So there you have it, you evolve into everyone.
> > There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same
> place
> > as Hitler. But you also go the same place as
> > everyone and everything you’ve ever cared
> about
> > and you become another you that is everything.
> > It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome.
> > But don’t rush there because that’s not
> good
> > either. While on earth, there is every
> motivation
> > to do good unto others. The whole point is to be
> a
> > good person during your time here and you reap
> the
> > benefits when you get to the next place. If
> hurt
> > others or cause harm during your time here,
> when
> > you gain this level of
> understanding/consciousness
> > and personally experience and comprehend the
> harm
> > you’ve done, you will basically be living in
> > your own personal hell.
>
> Come down yet?
Attachments:
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Eugen Bleuler
()
Date: April 19, 2018 07:07PM
That's a very thoughtful, hopeful, and rather new-agey post Coeus. The truth is, and you know this in your heart of hearts (or you will if you continue on your path of learning and as you mature) that it is oblivion.
Check out "True Detective's" Rust Cohle's musings about consciousness - I think you'll enjoy them.
Submitted also for your review and approval is the ground breaking 1974 book "Denial of Death" by Ernest Becker. Becker's book, which is amazing, ties it all together - basically Man's inability to deal with ontological annihilation has resulted in his creating an afterlife, valhalla, nirvana, "other consciousness"/what have you so that he will not have to countenance the fact that everything he has ever known will be gone.
Check out "True Detective's" Rust Cohle's musings about consciousness - I think you'll enjoy them.
Submitted also for your review and approval is the ground breaking 1974 book "Denial of Death" by Ernest Becker. Becker's book, which is amazing, ties it all together - basically Man's inability to deal with ontological annihilation has resulted in his creating an afterlife, valhalla, nirvana, "other consciousness"/what have you so that he will not have to countenance the fact that everything he has ever known will be gone.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Don’t worry
()
Date: April 19, 2018 08:06PM
The sun will die an explosive death. All traces of anything that ever happened on Earth will be blown back into the cosmos in clouds of gas and dust.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Like yo style
()
Date: April 19, 2018 08:17PM
Eugen Bleuler Wrote: https://youtu.be/JCGB81DBzOc
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> That's a very thoughtful, hopeful, and rather
> new-agey post Coeus. The truth is, and you know
> this in your heart of hearts (or you will if you
> continue on your path of learning and as you
> mature) that it is oblivion.
>
> Check out "True Detective's" Rust Cohle's musings
> about consciousness - I think you'll enjoy them.
>
> Submitted also for your review and approval is the
> ground breaking 1974 book "Denial of Death" by
> Ernest Becker. Becker's book, which is amazing,
> ties it all together - basically Man's inability
> to deal with ontological annihilation has resulted
> in his creating an afterlife, valhalla, nirvana,
> "other consciousness"/what have you so that he
> will not have to countenance the fact that
> everything he has ever known will be gone.
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> That's a very thoughtful, hopeful, and rather
> new-agey post Coeus. The truth is, and you know
> this in your heart of hearts (or you will if you
> continue on your path of learning and as you
> mature) that it is oblivion.
>
> Check out "True Detective's" Rust Cohle's musings
> about consciousness - I think you'll enjoy them.
>
> Submitted also for your review and approval is the
> ground breaking 1974 book "Denial of Death" by
> Ernest Becker. Becker's book, which is amazing,
> ties it all together - basically Man's inability
> to deal with ontological annihilation has resulted
> in his creating an afterlife, valhalla, nirvana,
> "other consciousness"/what have you so that he
> will not have to countenance the fact that
> everything he has ever known will be gone.
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Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Fag hat
()
Date: April 19, 2018 10:49PM
TL;DR....fag!
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
TL;DR....fag!
()
Date: April 19, 2018 11:20PM
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Fingers
()
Date: April 20, 2018 05:27PM
Coeus Wrote:
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> “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was coined
> by a German biologist and philosopher that
> basically means, the evolution of a species (over
> a course of time), tends to match pretty well with
> how a specific member of that species individually
> develops (over their lifetime). This in of itself
> does not explain what happens when we die but is
> the key to truly understanding how and why we
> continue to exist after death.
>
> Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short, human
> evolution can be traced back to a one celled
> organism and everything in between (fish-like
> creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This
> took billions of years to happen. Before that,
> life did not exist … non-living matter in the
> primordial soup. But life did come from non-living
> matter at one point in time. Same goes for
> individual human development from sperm/egg. Sperm
> and eggs are created from our parents and the food
> they ate (plants/animals), which in part was
> developed from inert matter and dirt in the ground
> at some point in time. Cells divide, we become a
> fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually continue
> to develop into fully formed “intelligent”
> adults with advanced human brains. These brains
> are basically equal to the advanced human brains
> that developed in evolution (because they’re the
> same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and
> 18-21 years before full development, our brains
> essentially go through the same development that
> it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
>
> On the surface, this means nothing for the
> “what’s next question” though and doesn’t
> answer what happens when we die. But if you take
> these parallel paths based on the non-physical
> progress of human evolution/development, you can
> come up with a pretty solid theory as to what will
> happen next for human evolution, and what happens
> when our bodies and brains cease to function as we
> know it.
>
> Basically, through evolution and human
> development, we see a continuous path of evolving
> consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is more
> complex but ultimately, we max out. In evolution
> and human development, we went from small
> cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a
> heartbeat (womb), initial brain development
> (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of
> environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness
> (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older
> child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to others
> (from adolescence through adulthood). There is
> unlikely to be any further human evolution and we
> have basically evolved ourselves out of any more
> evolution. This happened becoming controllers of
> our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a
> slave to your environment, is the key to what
> spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t develop
> beyond a fully grown human brain because we are
> limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So, to
> track the next step in both processes, you have to
> identify what is the next stage of consciousness.
>
>
> If you take “self-consciousness” as the last
> evolved and developed form of consciousness and
> track the development, then you can infer that the
> next stage would logically be
> “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve into
> some sort of empathetic/altruistic species,
> because there’s nothing pushing for this as an
> “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for
> this trait will result in a person being less
> likely to pass on their genes, so our brains are
> no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see very
> small bits of this, which is based in empathy
> (which is interestingly the last emotion to evolve
> and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some
> sort of borg-like collective consciousness
> species. If you argue that humans may eventually
> reach this phase, there is reason to think it’s
> possible through AI. In the future, we will be
> able to digitally replicate our brains and these
> digital replications will have the ability to
> interact with other digitally replicated brains.
> Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’
> war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to compete
> with this “creation” and we’ll probably die
> out to this more advanced “human species.”
> Westworld and Terminator are on to something -
> this is nothing new.
>
> But others-consciousness is not only theoretically
> possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we
> kill ourselves before then). Individually, the
> only way to reach this in our “life-time” is
> to be freed what is preventing us from the
> experience/brains of others. What is preventing us
> from further consciousness is the same in both
> evolution and development, our bodies. However,
> when we die, we are freed from those
> constraints/limitations and we become “one with
> the universe” (I know, that’s really lame, but
> it sums it up). What is left of “us” and our
> consciousness will be able to interact/instantly
> become aware with everything that has ever lived
> and had a thought. You are still “you,”
> because you have individual experiences for
> context, but we also gain a true knowledge of
> everything that ever happened to everyone. It’s
> pretty intense. In a way, we become what some
> people may call “god.” We had to live and had
> to have individual experiences in life in order to
> have any perspective of this, but at this point
> will gain true empathy of everything else in the
> world. We become all-knowing and a perfect being
> (along with billions of other life-forms).
>
> This just sounds like some crazy theory until you
> look at what science is beginning to learn about
> our brains. If you take the whole AI argument out
> of it (so no more evolution, only individual death
> now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate that
> we continue to develop consciousness after we die.
> You can look at out of body experiences and
> near-death experiences. Although the most common
> medical argument is that these are biproducts from
> hormones and chemicals that are released when we
> die, there is reason to believe this is not only
> the case. A near-death experience should never
> have developed…we should never be comforted by
> death and never be complacent to it…basically,
> the death process should be as terrifying as
> possible so people avoid it at all cost. That
> would result in a favorable trait/higher
> fitness/survival and those with this trait would
> have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the fact
> that it exists at all, partially proves it’s
> either a gift from an altruistic creator or
> something more.
>
> There is also scientific evidence that this
> transformation/evolution of consciousness can be
> accessed through drugs of various forms. This
> includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca. Other
> hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the
> response less efficiently…and no, I do not
> recommend trying any of these while alive. They do
> however offer some glimpse into what death is like
> since it’s been found that people who take these
> will report being out of their body, being able to
> communicate with superior life-forms, being “one
> with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s
> pretty fascinating. The most informative reason
> that DMT is different from other “drugs” and
> relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of
> mimic natural chemicals that are released by the
> pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for
> debate though. There is a researcher, David E.
> Nichols, who says that this is not possible
> because the pineal gland is too small and can’t
> actually produce such a large dose. This actually
> merits more truth to the argument towards
> evolution of consciousness when we die because it
> seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT)
> isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s
> more to it. It’s a process but the naturally
> occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are
> involved. You can also touch upon this realm when
> experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused
> through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people
> can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid
> dream/purposefully interact with the other realm,
> but this is really difficult to do and really only
> a small fraction of insight into it. Still though,
> kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get
> past the terror the hallucinations and paralysis
> initially cause.
>
> So there you have it, you evolve into everyone.
> There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same place
> as Hitler. But you also go the same place as
> everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about
> and you become another you that is everything.
> It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome.
> But don’t rush there because that’s not good
> either. While on earth, there is every motivation
> to do good unto others. The whole point is to be a
> good person during your time here and you reap the
> benefits when you get to the next place. If hurt
> others or cause harm during your time here, when
> you gain this level of understanding/consciousness
> and personally experience and comprehend the harm
> you’ve done, you will basically be living in
> your own personal hell.
Makes sense to me.
-------------------------------------------------------
> “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was coined
> by a German biologist and philosopher that
> basically means, the evolution of a species (over
> a course of time), tends to match pretty well with
> how a specific member of that species individually
> develops (over their lifetime). This in of itself
> does not explain what happens when we die but is
> the key to truly understanding how and why we
> continue to exist after death.
>
> Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short, human
> evolution can be traced back to a one celled
> organism and everything in between (fish-like
> creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This
> took billions of years to happen. Before that,
> life did not exist … non-living matter in the
> primordial soup. But life did come from non-living
> matter at one point in time. Same goes for
> individual human development from sperm/egg. Sperm
> and eggs are created from our parents and the food
> they ate (plants/animals), which in part was
> developed from inert matter and dirt in the ground
> at some point in time. Cells divide, we become a
> fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually continue
> to develop into fully formed “intelligent”
> adults with advanced human brains. These brains
> are basically equal to the advanced human brains
> that developed in evolution (because they’re the
> same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and
> 18-21 years before full development, our brains
> essentially go through the same development that
> it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
>
> On the surface, this means nothing for the
> “what’s next question” though and doesn’t
> answer what happens when we die. But if you take
> these parallel paths based on the non-physical
> progress of human evolution/development, you can
> come up with a pretty solid theory as to what will
> happen next for human evolution, and what happens
> when our bodies and brains cease to function as we
> know it.
>
> Basically, through evolution and human
> development, we see a continuous path of evolving
> consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is more
> complex but ultimately, we max out. In evolution
> and human development, we went from small
> cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a
> heartbeat (womb), initial brain development
> (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of
> environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness
> (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older
> child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to others
> (from adolescence through adulthood). There is
> unlikely to be any further human evolution and we
> have basically evolved ourselves out of any more
> evolution. This happened becoming controllers of
> our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a
> slave to your environment, is the key to what
> spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t develop
> beyond a fully grown human brain because we are
> limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So, to
> track the next step in both processes, you have to
> identify what is the next stage of consciousness.
>
>
> If you take “self-consciousness” as the last
> evolved and developed form of consciousness and
> track the development, then you can infer that the
> next stage would logically be
> “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve into
> some sort of empathetic/altruistic species,
> because there’s nothing pushing for this as an
> “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for
> this trait will result in a person being less
> likely to pass on their genes, so our brains are
> no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see very
> small bits of this, which is based in empathy
> (which is interestingly the last emotion to evolve
> and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some
> sort of borg-like collective consciousness
> species. If you argue that humans may eventually
> reach this phase, there is reason to think it’s
> possible through AI. In the future, we will be
> able to digitally replicate our brains and these
> digital replications will have the ability to
> interact with other digitally replicated brains.
> Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’
> war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to compete
> with this “creation” and we’ll probably die
> out to this more advanced “human species.”
> Westworld and Terminator are on to something -
> this is nothing new.
>
> But others-consciousness is not only theoretically
> possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we
> kill ourselves before then). Individually, the
> only way to reach this in our “life-time” is
> to be freed what is preventing us from the
> experience/brains of others. What is preventing us
> from further consciousness is the same in both
> evolution and development, our bodies. However,
> when we die, we are freed from those
> constraints/limitations and we become “one with
> the universe” (I know, that’s really lame, but
> it sums it up). What is left of “us” and our
> consciousness will be able to interact/instantly
> become aware with everything that has ever lived
> and had a thought. You are still “you,”
> because you have individual experiences for
> context, but we also gain a true knowledge of
> everything that ever happened to everyone. It’s
> pretty intense. In a way, we become what some
> people may call “god.” We had to live and had
> to have individual experiences in life in order to
> have any perspective of this, but at this point
> will gain true empathy of everything else in the
> world. We become all-knowing and a perfect being
> (along with billions of other life-forms).
>
> This just sounds like some crazy theory until you
> look at what science is beginning to learn about
> our brains. If you take the whole AI argument out
> of it (so no more evolution, only individual death
> now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate that
> we continue to develop consciousness after we die.
> You can look at out of body experiences and
> near-death experiences. Although the most common
> medical argument is that these are biproducts from
> hormones and chemicals that are released when we
> die, there is reason to believe this is not only
> the case. A near-death experience should never
> have developed…we should never be comforted by
> death and never be complacent to it…basically,
> the death process should be as terrifying as
> possible so people avoid it at all cost. That
> would result in a favorable trait/higher
> fitness/survival and those with this trait would
> have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the fact
> that it exists at all, partially proves it’s
> either a gift from an altruistic creator or
> something more.
>
> There is also scientific evidence that this
> transformation/evolution of consciousness can be
> accessed through drugs of various forms. This
> includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca. Other
> hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the
> response less efficiently…and no, I do not
> recommend trying any of these while alive. They do
> however offer some glimpse into what death is like
> since it’s been found that people who take these
> will report being out of their body, being able to
> communicate with superior life-forms, being “one
> with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s
> pretty fascinating. The most informative reason
> that DMT is different from other “drugs” and
> relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of
> mimic natural chemicals that are released by the
> pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for
> debate though. There is a researcher, David E.
> Nichols, who says that this is not possible
> because the pineal gland is too small and can’t
> actually produce such a large dose. This actually
> merits more truth to the argument towards
> evolution of consciousness when we die because it
> seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT)
> isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s
> more to it. It’s a process but the naturally
> occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are
> involved. You can also touch upon this realm when
> experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused
> through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people
> can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid
> dream/purposefully interact with the other realm,
> but this is really difficult to do and really only
> a small fraction of insight into it. Still though,
> kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get
> past the terror the hallucinations and paralysis
> initially cause.
>
> So there you have it, you evolve into everyone.
> There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same place
> as Hitler. But you also go the same place as
> everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about
> and you become another you that is everything.
> It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome.
> But don’t rush there because that’s not good
> either. While on earth, there is every motivation
> to do good unto others. The whole point is to be a
> good person during your time here and you reap the
> benefits when you get to the next place. If hurt
> others or cause harm during your time here, when
> you gain this level of understanding/consciousness
> and personally experience and comprehend the harm
> you’ve done, you will basically be living in
> your own personal hell.
Makes sense to me.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Fhjhji
()
Date: April 20, 2018 10:20PM
Where did you steal this from? It this is your theory, can I PM you...I have questions.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Coeus
()
Date: April 20, 2018 11:15PM
Fhjhji Wrote:
----------------------7EDMM---------------------------------
> Where did you steal this from? It this is your
> theory, can I PM you...I have questions.
My theory. 20 years old and published in a similar thesis by a local university. You won’t find it in print, but it’s in a library nearby. I’m hesitant to give more details as it may out myself (which I don’t want to do on this site)
Look, it’s real. The info i provided is the tip of the iceberg. I’m not crazy (not the donald trump cloud guy!) and I know things via aother means. I have been to the other side and have communicated with those that are there. I respect other opinions and was as skeptical as anyone at one point. I’ll take the philosphy pepsi-challenge vs. anyone. Eugen Bleuler has valid points...but he/she is misinformed and influenced by skepticism. If you adhere strictly by Oczam’s razor ligic, life should never have existed in the first place.
----------------------7EDMM---------------------------------
> Where did you steal this from? It this is your
> theory, can I PM you...I have questions.
My theory. 20 years old and published in a similar thesis by a local university. You won’t find it in print, but it’s in a library nearby. I’m hesitant to give more details as it may out myself (which I don’t want to do on this site)
Look, it’s real. The info i provided is the tip of the iceberg. I’m not crazy (not the donald trump cloud guy!) and I know things via aother means. I have been to the other side and have communicated with those that are there. I respect other opinions and was as skeptical as anyone at one point. I’ll take the philosphy pepsi-challenge vs. anyone. Eugen Bleuler has valid points...but he/she is misinformed and influenced by skepticism. If you adhere strictly by Oczam’s razor ligic, life should never have existed in the first place.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
NJJCUF
()
Date: April 21, 2018 04:43AM
I see the OP started celebrating 4/20 a day early.
(Probably has been celebrating daily at 4:20 for years!)
PS. Sorry, Art Bell died.
(Probably has been celebrating daily at 4:20 for years!)
PS. Sorry, Art Bell died.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Are you high steppin' yet buddy
()
Date: April 21, 2018 06:18AM
OP- Quit channelling with aliens. Hard drugs are bad...
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Boner patrol faggot
()
Date: April 21, 2018 08:30PM
4/20 was yesterday faggot.
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Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Ghjff
()
Date: April 24, 2018 11:09PM
The argument actually seems pretty logically sound.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
Posted by:
Hdgjks
()
Date: May 06, 2018 02:36PM
Coeus Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was coined
> by a German biologist and philosopher that
> basically means, the evolution of a species (over
> a course of time), tends to match pretty well with
> how a specific member of that species individually
> develops (over their lifetime). This in of itself
> does not explain what happens when we die but is
> the key to truly understanding how and why we
> continue to exist after death.
>
> Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short, human
> evolution can be traced back to a one celled
> organism and everything in between (fish-like
> creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This
> took billions of years to happen. Before that,
> life did not exist … non-living matter in the
> primordial soup. But life did come from non-living
> matter at one point in time. Same goes for
> individual human development from sperm/egg. Sperm
> and eggs are created from our parents and the food
> they ate (plants/animals), which in part was
> developed from inert matter and dirt in the ground
> at some point in time. Cells divide, we become a
> fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually continue
> to develop into fully formed “intelligent”
> adults with advanced human brains. These brains
> are basically equal to the advanced human brains
> that developed in evolution (because they’re the
> same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and
> 18-21 years before full development, our brains
> essentially go through the same development that
> it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
>
> On the surface, this means nothing for the
> “what’s next question” though and doesn’t
> answer what happens when we die. But if you take
> these parallel paths based on the non-physical
> progress of human evolution/development, you can
> come up with a pretty solid theory as to what will
> happen next for human evolution, and what happens
> when our bodies and brains cease to function as we
> know it.
>
> Basically, through evolution and human
> development, we see a continuous path of evolving
> consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is more
> complex but ultimately, we max out. In evolution
> and human development, we went from small
> cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a
> heartbeat (womb), initial brain development
> (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of
> environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness
> (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older
> child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to others
> (from adolescence through adulthood). There is
> unlikely to be any further human evolution and we
> have basically evolved ourselves out of any more
> evolution. This happened becoming controllers of
> our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a
> slave to your environment, is the key to what
> spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t develop
> beyond a fully grown human brain because we are
> limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So, to
> track the next step in both processes, you have to
> identify what is the next stage of consciousness.
>
>
> If you take “self-consciousness” as the last
> evolved and developed form of consciousness and
> track the development, then you can infer that the
> next stage would logically be
> “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve into
> some sort of empathetic/altruistic species,
> because there’s nothing pushing for this as an
> “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for
> this trait will result in a person being less
> likely to pass on their genes, so our brains are
> no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see very
> small bits of this, which is based in empathy
> (which is interestingly the last emotion to evolve
> and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some
> sort of borg-like collective consciousness
> species. If you argue that humans may eventually
> reach this phase, there is reason to think it’s
> possible through AI. In the future, we will be
> able to digitally replicate our brains and these
> digital replications will have the ability to
> interact with other digitally replicated brains.
> Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’
> war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to compete
> with this “creation” and we’ll probably die
> out to this more advanced “human species.”
> Westworld and Terminator are on to something -
> this is nothing new.
>
> But others-consciousness is not only theoretically
> possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we
> kill ourselves before then). Individually, the
> only way to reach this in our “life-time” is
> to be freed what is preventing us from the
> experience/brains of others. What is preventing us
> from further consciousness is the same in both
> evolution and development, our bodies. However,
> when we die, we are freed from those
> constraints/limitations and we become “one with
> the universe” (I know, that’s really lame, but
> it sums it up). What is left of “us” and our
> consciousness will be able to interact/instantly
> become aware with everything that has ever lived
> and had a thought. You are still “you,”
> because you have individual experiences for
> context, but we also gain a true knowledge of
> everything that ever happened to everyone. It’s
> pretty intense. In a way, we become what some
> people may call “god.” We had to live and had
> to have individual experiences in life in order to
> have any perspective of this, but at this point
> will gain true empathy of everything else in the
> world. We become all-knowing and a perfect being
> (along with billions of other life-forms).
>
> This just sounds like some crazy theory until you
> look at what science is beginning to learn about
> our brains. If you take the whole AI argument out
> of it (so no more evolution, only individual death
> now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate that
> we continue to develop consciousness after we die.
> You can look at out of body experiences and
> near-death experiences. Although the most common
> medical argument is that these are biproducts from
> hormones and chemicals that are released when we
> die, there is reason to believe this is not only
> the case. A near-death experience should never
> have developed…we should never be comforted by
> death and never be complacent to it…basically,
> the death process should be as terrifying as
> possible so people avoid it at all cost. That
> would result in a favorable trait/higher
> fitness/survival and those with this trait would
> have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the fact
> that it exists at all, partially proves it’s
> either a gift from an altruistic creator or
> something more.
>
> There is also scientific evidence that this
> transformation/evolution of consciousness can be
> accessed through drugs of various forms. This
> includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca. Other
> hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the
> response less efficiently…and no, I do not
> recommend trying any of these while alive. They do
> however offer some glimpse into what death is like
> since it’s been found that people who take these
> will report being out of their body, being able to
> communicate with superior life-forms, being “one
> with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s
> pretty fascinating. The most informative reason
> that DMT is different from other “drugs” and
> relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of
> mimic natural chemicals that are released by the
> pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for
> debate though. There is a researcher, David E.
> Nichols, who says that this is not possible
> because the pineal gland is too small and can’t
> actually produce such a large dose. This actually
> merits more truth to the argument towards
> evolution of consciousness when we die because it
> seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT)
> isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s
> more to it. It’s a process but the naturally
> occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are
> involved. You can also touch upon this realm when
> experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused
> through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people
> can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid
> dream/purposefully interact with the other realm,
> but this is really difficult to do and really only
> a small fraction of insight into it. Still though,
> kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get
> past the terror the hallucinations and paralysis
> initially cause.
>
> So there you have it, you evolve into everyone.
> There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same place
> as Hitler. But you also go the same place as
> everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about
> and you become another you that is everything.
> It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome.
> But don’t rush there because that’s not good
> either. While on earth, there is every motivation
> to do good unto others. The whole point is to be a
> good person during your time here and you reap the
> benefits when you get to the next place. If hurt
> others or cause harm during your time here, when
> you gain this level of understanding/consciousness
> and personally experience and comprehend the harm
> you’ve done, you will basically be living in
> your own personal hell.
How can you know any of this?
-------------------------------------------------------
> “Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” was coined
> by a German biologist and philosopher that
> basically means, the evolution of a species (over
> a course of time), tends to match pretty well with
> how a specific member of that species individually
> develops (over their lifetime). This in of itself
> does not explain what happens when we die but is
> the key to truly understanding how and why we
> continue to exist after death.
>
> Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. In short, human
> evolution can be traced back to a one celled
> organism and everything in between (fish-like
> creatures, small mammals, hominids, etc.). This
> took billions of years to happen. Before that,
> life did not exist … non-living matter in the
> primordial soup. But life did come from non-living
> matter at one point in time. Same goes for
> individual human development from sperm/egg. Sperm
> and eggs are created from our parents and the food
> they ate (plants/animals), which in part was
> developed from inert matter and dirt in the ground
> at some point in time. Cells divide, we become a
> fetus, born a stupid baby and eventually continue
> to develop into fully formed “intelligent”
> adults with advanced human brains. These brains
> are basically equal to the advanced human brains
> that developed in evolution (because they’re the
> same). So, in roughly 9 months in the womb and
> 18-21 years before full development, our brains
> essentially go through the same development that
> it took 3.8 billion years to evolve into.
>
> On the surface, this means nothing for the
> “what’s next question” though and doesn’t
> answer what happens when we die. But if you take
> these parallel paths based on the non-physical
> progress of human evolution/development, you can
> come up with a pretty solid theory as to what will
> happen next for human evolution, and what happens
> when our bodies and brains cease to function as we
> know it.
>
> Basically, through evolution and human
> development, we see a continuous path of evolving
> consciousness (or awareness). Each stage is more
> complex but ultimately, we max out. In evolution
> and human development, we went from small
> cell-based life-form (womb), to one with a
> heartbeat (womb), initial brain development
> (womb), instinct/reactive (baby), awareness of
> environment (toddler), conscious/self-awareness
> (toddler/child), true self-consciousness (older
> child), fully self-conscious/empathetic to others
> (from adolescence through adulthood). There is
> unlikely to be any further human evolution and we
> have basically evolved ourselves out of any more
> evolution. This happened becoming controllers of
> our environments vs. controlled by it. Being a
> slave to your environment, is the key to what
> spurs evolution. Likewise, we also can’t develop
> beyond a fully grown human brain because we are
> limited by the capabilities of our bodies. So, to
> track the next step in both processes, you have to
> identify what is the next stage of consciousness.
>
>
> If you take “self-consciousness” as the last
> evolved and developed form of consciousness and
> track the development, then you can infer that the
> next stage would logically be
> “others-consciousness.” We can’t evolve into
> some sort of empathetic/altruistic species,
> because there’s nothing pushing for this as an
> “advantage.” If anything, any mutation for
> this trait will result in a person being less
> likely to pass on their genes, so our brains are
> no longer evolving. It’s a fact. You do see very
> small bits of this, which is based in empathy
> (which is interestingly the last emotion to evolve
> and develop), but we’ll never evolve to some
> sort of borg-like collective consciousness
> species. If you argue that humans may eventually
> reach this phase, there is reason to think it’s
> possible through AI. In the future, we will be
> able to digitally replicate our brains and these
> digital replications will have the ability to
> interact with other digitally replicated brains.
> Like one big super-computer/Portuguese man o’
> war. Side-note, humans won’t be able to compete
> with this “creation” and we’ll probably die
> out to this more advanced “human species.”
> Westworld and Terminator are on to something -
> this is nothing new.
>
> But others-consciousness is not only theoretically
> possible, it’s almost unavoidable (unless we
> kill ourselves before then). Individually, the
> only way to reach this in our “life-time” is
> to be freed what is preventing us from the
> experience/brains of others. What is preventing us
> from further consciousness is the same in both
> evolution and development, our bodies. However,
> when we die, we are freed from those
> constraints/limitations and we become “one with
> the universe” (I know, that’s really lame, but
> it sums it up). What is left of “us” and our
> consciousness will be able to interact/instantly
> become aware with everything that has ever lived
> and had a thought. You are still “you,”
> because you have individual experiences for
> context, but we also gain a true knowledge of
> everything that ever happened to everyone. It’s
> pretty intense. In a way, we become what some
> people may call “god.” We had to live and had
> to have individual experiences in life in order to
> have any perspective of this, but at this point
> will gain true empathy of everything else in the
> world. We become all-knowing and a perfect being
> (along with billions of other life-forms).
>
> This just sounds like some crazy theory until you
> look at what science is beginning to learn about
> our brains. If you take the whole AI argument out
> of it (so no more evolution, only individual death
> now), there is plenty of evidence to indicate that
> we continue to develop consciousness after we die.
> You can look at out of body experiences and
> near-death experiences. Although the most common
> medical argument is that these are biproducts from
> hormones and chemicals that are released when we
> die, there is reason to believe this is not only
> the case. A near-death experience should never
> have developed…we should never be comforted by
> death and never be complacent to it…basically,
> the death process should be as terrifying as
> possible so people avoid it at all cost. That
> would result in a favorable trait/higher
> fitness/survival and those with this trait would
> have more opportunity to pass it on. So, the fact
> that it exists at all, partially proves it’s
> either a gift from an altruistic creator or
> something more.
>
> There is also scientific evidence that this
> transformation/evolution of consciousness can be
> accessed through drugs of various forms. This
> includes DMT and in plant form, Ayahuasca. Other
> hallucinogens as well, but those trigger the
> response less efficiently…and no, I do not
> recommend trying any of these while alive. They do
> however offer some glimpse into what death is like
> since it’s been found that people who take these
> will report being out of their body, being able to
> communicate with superior life-forms, being “one
> with the universe,” etc. Look it up - it’s
> pretty fascinating. The most informative reason
> that DMT is different from other “drugs” and
> relevant to death, is that these drugs kind of
> mimic natural chemicals that are released by the
> pineal gland when we die. This is a bit up for
> debate though. There is a researcher, David E.
> Nichols, who says that this is not possible
> because the pineal gland is too small and can’t
> actually produce such a large dose. This actually
> merits more truth to the argument towards
> evolution of consciousness when we die because it
> seems to indicate that the experience (and DMT)
> isn’t solely a mind/body response. There’s
> more to it. It’s a process but the naturally
> occurring chemicals in the pineal gland are
> involved. You can also touch upon this realm when
> experiencing a hypnagogic experience (caused
> through a faulty sleep-wake cycle). Some people
> can master hypnagogic experiences and lucid
> dream/purposefully interact with the other realm,
> but this is really difficult to do and really only
> a small fraction of insight into it. Still though,
> kind of a cool skill to develop if you can get
> past the terror the hallucinations and paralysis
> initially cause.
>
> So there you have it, you evolve into everyone.
> There’s no heaven/hell and you go the same place
> as Hitler. But you also go the same place as
> everyone and everything you’ve ever cared about
> and you become another you that is everything.
> It’s not sad or scary, it’s pretty awesome.
> But don’t rush there because that’s not good
> either. While on earth, there is every motivation
> to do good unto others. The whole point is to be a
> good person during your time here and you reap the
> benefits when you get to the next place. If hurt
> others or cause harm during your time here, when
> you gain this level of understanding/consciousness
> and personally experience and comprehend the harm
> you’ve done, you will basically be living in
> your own personal hell.
How can you know any of this?
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Fhhsjs
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Date: June 22, 2018 11:16PM
Anyone seen the documentary about sleep paralysis on Netflix called, the nightmare?
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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7JFYC
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Date: June 23, 2018 01:35PM
Simple answer, you will either go to heaven or hell. If you do not believe now, you will believe then.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Fhshjs
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Date: June 26, 2018 10:52PM
This one?
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Bloud
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Date: July 03, 2019 11:46PM
Is this for real?
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Bob Malm
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Date: July 04, 2019 12:52PM
Bob Malm, perjuring priest
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Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Albert.
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Date: October 02, 2019 10:47PM
Duuuuuddde...whaaaaaaat?!
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Paramedic
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Date: October 02, 2019 10:52PM
Mostly what seems to happen is that you shit yourself.
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Date: October 03, 2019 12:13PM
No one cares...
Re: What happens when we die - the answer
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Date: October 07, 2019 10:09PM
Spot on!