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Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Nova Politics ()
Date: June 09, 2014 02:52PM

Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
http://www.wtop.com/41/3638075/Clinton-says-pair-dead-broke-after-White-House

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Hillary Rodham Clinton's family was "dead broke" and saddled with legal bills when she and her husband left the White House, the former first lady said in an interview that aired Monday.

Republicans immediately seized on the comment and said it demonstrated that Clinton, the Democratic Party's strongest contender for its 2016 presidential nomination, was out of touch.

"We came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt," Clinton told ABC News. "We had no money when we got there, and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for Chelsea's education. You know, it was not easy."

Since leaving the White House, former President Bill Clinton earned a fortune in speaking fees and Hillary Rodham Clinton represented New York in the Senate.

Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate financial disclosure forms, filed for 2000, show assets between $781,000 and almost $1.8 million. The forms allow senators to report assets in broad ranges.

The same form, however, shows the Clintons owed between $2.3 million and $10.6 million in legal fees to four firms. Again, the forms allow senators to report debts in broad ranges.

The Clintons paid off their legal bills by 2004, according to Senate disclosure forms. And by 2009, when Hillary Rodham Clinton was preparing to join President Barack Obama's administration as secretary of state, the Clintons' wealth was somewhere between $10 million and $50 million.

Republicans quickly pounced.

"How out of touch is Hillary Clinton when 'dead broke' = mansions & massive speaking fees?" tweeted Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus.

Democrats leveled a similar charge against the GOP's wealthy 2012 presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.
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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: WTF!??! ()
Date: June 09, 2014 03:01PM

10 Million dollars is broke?

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: ain't that great ()
Date: June 09, 2014 03:38PM

Two lawyers owe a bunch of lawyers a bunch of money.

What goes around comes around.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Readforunderstanding ()
Date: June 09, 2014 04:28PM

They owed millions in 2000. They don't now.


WTF!??! Wrote:
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> 10 Million dollars is broke?

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: StickyFingers ()
Date: June 09, 2014 04:31PM

I guess that's why they stole so much furniture and other items from the WH when the left.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: ain't that great ()
Date: June 09, 2014 04:37PM

Zing.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Ct3T3 ()
Date: June 09, 2014 04:48PM

Both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are deplorable pigs.

Hilary for her bullshit.

Bill for his johnson.

Hillary has been a left-wing socialist her whole life. She herself considers Bill a pig. She hasn't had any type of romantic relationship with him since the 80s. But she put her saddle on him because she realized that she didn't have what it would take. She'll stay behind the scenes.

She'll let Bill have sex with anyone he wants. She's even okay with him raping women. As long as it's for the cause. She joins other Progressive women, like Anita Hill, who say that Bill Clinton has been great for the women's movement. Some Democrats still say they'll give Bill Clinton a blowjob for how great he's been to women.

Bill Clinton had sex with an unpaid, 19-year old intern, entrusted to DC by her father to help his daughter get ahead in this world. Well, Monica sure got (or gave) a lot of head. And Bill loved it. But when busted, the Democrats all circled the wagons. Instead of talk about the young, abused woman, they started talking about "Trailer Trash" and, well, this was consentual sex among adults.

Hillary was okay with all that.

The most obvious sign of how Hillary is dangerous to America is her pronouncement of, "God Bless the America that we are trying to create."

What a bunch of assholes.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Just Another Windbag ()
Date: June 09, 2014 04:54PM

^ You're an idiot. And a pig. You don't have the faintest idea what went on in their marriage.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: a special spot in hell awaits ()
Date: June 09, 2014 05:12PM

Ct3T3 Wrote:
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> Both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are
> deplorable pigs.
>
> Hilary for her bullshit.
>
> Bill for his johnson.
>
> Hillary has been a left-wing socialist her whole
> life. She herself considers Bill a pig. She hasn't
> had any type of romantic relationship with him
> since the 80s. But she put her saddle on him
> because she realized that she didn't have what it
> would take. She'll stay behind the scenes.
>
> She'll let Bill have sex with anyone he wants.
> She's even okay with him raping women. As long as
> it's for the cause. She joins other Progressive
> women, like Anita Hill, who say that Bill Clinton
> has been great for the women's movement. Some
> Democrats still say they'll give Bill Clinton a
> blowjob for how great he's been to women.
>
> Bill Clinton had sex with an unpaid, 19-year old
> intern, entrusted to DC by her father to help his
> daughter get ahead in this world. Well, Monica
> sure got (or gave) a lot of head. And Bill loved
> it. But when busted, the Democrats all circled the
> wagons. Instead of talk about the young, abused
> woman, they started talking about "Trailer Trash"
> and, well, this was consentual sex among adults.
>
> Hillary was okay with all that.
>
> The most obvious sign of how Hillary is dangerous
> to America is her pronouncement of, "God Bless the
> America that we are trying to create."
>
> What a bunch of assholes.


Agreed, the 2 sleaziest used cars salespeople in the U.S. Just another of their strategies for attention and power.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: June 09, 2014 05:21PM

Just Another Windbag Wrote:
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> ^ You're an idiot. And a pig. You don't have the
> faintest idea what went on in their marriage.
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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: right back at you ()
Date: June 09, 2014 05:39PM

Just Another Windbag Wrote:
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> ^ You're an idiot. And a pig. You don't have the
> faintest idea what went on in their marriage.

Neither do you.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Just Another Windbag ()
Date: June 09, 2014 06:00PM

right back at you Wrote:
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> Just Another Windbag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ^ You're an idiot. And a pig. You don't have
> the
> > faintest idea what went on in their marriage.
>
> Neither do you.

Unlike you, I never claimed to.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Aggregate ()
Date: June 09, 2014 06:09PM

Ct3T3 Wrote:
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> Both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are
> deplorable pigs.
>
> Hilary for her bullshit.
>
> Bill for his johnson.
>
> Hillary has been a left-wing socialist her whole
> life. She herself considers Bill a pig. She hasn't
> had any type of romantic relationship with him
> since the 80s. But she put her saddle on him
> because she realized that she didn't have what it
> would take. She'll stay behind the scenes.
>
> She'll let Bill have sex with anyone he wants.
> She's even okay with him raping women. As long as
> it's for the cause. She joins other Progressive
> women, like Anita Hill, who say that Bill Clinton
> has been great for the women's movement. Some
> Democrats still say they'll give Bill Clinton a
> blowjob for how great he's been to women.
>
> Bill Clinton had sex with an unpaid, 19-year old
> intern, entrusted to DC by her father to help his
> daughter get ahead in this world. Well, Monica
> sure got (or gave) a lot of head. And Bill loved
> it. But when busted, the Democrats all circled the
> wagons. Instead of talk about the young, abused
> woman, they started talking about "Trailer Trash"
> and, well, this was consentual sex among adults.
>
> Hillary was okay with all that.
>
> The most obvious sign of how Hillary is dangerous
> to America is her pronouncement of, "God Bless the
> America that we are trying to create."
>
> What a bunch of assholes.


Too stupid, didn't read.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: go bill ()
Date: June 09, 2014 09:00PM

Repugs are still mad that this Arkansas bumpkin outsmarted them at every turn. For all their "brilliance", they never laid a glove on Slick Willy! LOLOL

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: eff ewe ()
Date: June 09, 2014 11:49PM

Retardz

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: uDhwJ ()
Date: June 10, 2014 12:06AM

Aggregate Wrote:
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> Ct3T3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are
> > deplorable pigs.
> >
> > Hilary for her bullshit.
> >
> > Bill for his johnson.
> >
> > Hillary has been a left-wing socialist her
> whole
> > life. She herself considers Bill a pig. She
> hasn't
> > had any type of romantic relationship with him
> > since the 80s. But she put her saddle on him
> > because she realized that she didn't have what
> it
> > would take. She'll stay behind the scenes.
> >
> > She'll let Bill have sex with anyone he wants.
> > She's even okay with him raping women. As long
> as
> > it's for the cause. She joins other Progressive
> > women, like Anita Hill, who say that Bill
> Clinton
> > has been great for the women's movement. Some
> > Democrats still say they'll give Bill Clinton a
> > blowjob for how great he's been to women.
> >
> > Bill Clinton had sex with an unpaid, 19-year
> old
> > intern, entrusted to DC by her father to help
> his
> > daughter get ahead in this world. Well, Monica
> > sure got (or gave) a lot of head. And Bill
> loved
> > it. But when busted, the Democrats all circled
> the
> > wagons. Instead of talk about the young, abused
> > woman, they started talking about "Trailer
> Trash"
> > and, well, this was consentual sex among
> adults.
> >
> > Hillary was okay with all that.
> >
> > The most obvious sign of how Hillary is
> dangerous
> > to America is her pronouncement of, "God Bless
> the
> > America that we are trying to create."
> >
> > What a bunch of assholes.
>
>
> Too stupid, didn't read.


Yes you did.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: That's Nothing ()
Date: June 10, 2014 01:19PM

America is already dead broke thanks to Obama's wild giveaway to America's enemies, thug unions, and his corrupt cronies.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: June 10, 2014 01:24PM

go bill Wrote:
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> Repugs are still mad that this Arkansas bumpkin
> outsmarted them at every turn. For all their
> "brilliance", they never laid a glove on Slick
> Willy! LOLOL

Actually he was impeached (just never removed from office) but still impeached. Only one other POTUS has that distinction. So I'd say they landed a couple punches.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: and this... ()
Date: June 10, 2014 01:27PM

Stabitha Wrote:
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> go bill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Repugs are still mad that this Arkansas bumpkin
> > outsmarted them at every turn. For all their
> > "brilliance", they never laid a glove on Slick
> > Willy! LOLOL
>
> Actually he was impeached (just never removed from
> office) but still impeached. Only one other POTUS
> has that distinction. So I'd say they landed a
> couple punches.

He was also disbarred from practice before the US Supreme Court and had is AR law license suspended.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Paula Jones ()
Date: June 10, 2014 01:39PM

I blew through that $850,000 like Lewinsky's blue dress!

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Scandal Fallout ()
Date: June 10, 2014 03:06PM

The Lewinsky scandal was a political sex scandal emerging in 1998, from a sexual relationship between United States President Bill Clinton and a 22-year-old White House Intern, Monica Lewinsky. The news of this extra-marital affair and the resulting investigation eventually led to the impeachment of President Clinton in 1998 by the U.S. House of Representatives and his subsequent acquittal on all impeachment charges of perjury and obstruction of justice in a 21-day Senate trial.[1]

In 1995, Lewinsky, a graduate of Lewis & Clark College, was hired to work as an intern at the White House during Clinton's first term, and began a personal relationship with him, the details of which she later confided to her friend and Defense Department co-worker Linda Tripp, who secretly recorded their telephone conversations.[2]

When Tripp discovered in January 1998 that Lewinsky had sworn an affidavit in the Paula Jones case denying a relationship with Clinton, she delivered the tapes to Kenneth Starr, the Independent Counsel who was investigating Clinton on other matters, including the Whitewater scandal, the White House FBI files controversy, and the White House travel office controversy. During the grand jury testimony Clinton's responses were carefully worded, and he argued, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is",[3] in regards to the truthfulness of his statement that "there is not a sexual relationship, an improper sexual relationship or any other kind of improper relationship."[4]

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: The truth... ()
Date: July 03, 2014 12:02PM

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: try again ()
Date: July 03, 2014 01:16PM

Ct3T3 Wrote:
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> Both Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are
> deplorable pigs.
>
> Hilary for her bullshit.
>
> Bill for his johnson.
>
> Hillary has been a left-wing socialist her whole
> life. She herself considers Bill a pig. She hasn't
> had any type of romantic relationship with him
> since the 80s. But she put her saddle on him
> because she realized that she didn't have what it
> would take. She'll stay behind the scenes.
>
> She'll let Bill have sex with anyone he wants.
> She's even okay with him raping women. As long as
> it's for the cause. She joins other Progressive
> women, like Anita Hill, who say that Bill Clinton
> has been great for the women's movement. Some
> Democrats still say they'll give Bill Clinton a
> blowjob for how great he's been to women.
>
> Bill Clinton had sex with an unpaid, 19-year old
> intern, entrusted to DC by her father to help his
> daughter get ahead in this world. Well, Monica
> sure got (or gave) a lot of head. And Bill loved
> it. But when busted, the Democrats all circled the
> wagons. Instead of talk about the young, abused
> woman, they started talking about "Trailer Trash"
> and, well, this was consentual sex among adults.
>
> Hillary was okay with all that.
>
> The most obvious sign of how Hillary is dangerous
> to America is her pronouncement of, "God Bless the
> America that we are trying to create."
>
> What a bunch of assholes.


She has been a left-wing socialist her whole life? She volunteered for the Nixon (1960) and Goldwater campaigns. She served as president of the Young Republicans one year when she was in college. She worked on Nelson Rockefeller's presidential campaign, and she attended the 1968 Republican National Convention. Whatever.

When Monica Lewinsky went to work at the White House she was 22, not 19. She was a college graduate by then, and she had already been involved in an affair with a high school teacher. Not that this justifies what Bill Clinton did, but do not portray her as some sort of teenage ingenue.

I do not particularly like Hillary Clinton, but you are just making things up.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Politics and BS ()
Date: July 03, 2014 05:26PM

I thought republicans could do math. Obviously they were broke. Duh look at the numbers.

.....Then when repubs were pointed out that the math adds up they said, well they had opportunities that other americans dont have.

Well sherlock one doesnt have anything to do with the other. They were broke. Opportunites dont mean that they were guaranteed to recoup.

Bottom line is I dont care what political party you adhere to just make sure you are honest. Dont try to stir something up that isnt there just because you are against another parties position. Have a real argument. Dont conjure up sheet.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Fm97n ()
Date: July 03, 2014 06:45PM

That sea hag Hillary Clinton was paid $14,000,000 by Simon & Schuster because they are Leftists and want to be a part of the in-crowd.

So far, that book has only made about $5,000,000, and it's sinking like a bomb (per the Washington Post).

So, essentially, Simon & Schuster gave a gift of $9,000,000.

See how it works.

Let me ask, is there anyone reading this stupid thread who has read her book?

Also, when Reagan left office, he soon after went to Japan and was paid $2,000,000 for a speech. The Democrats went apoplectic, shaking with rage, and announcing the need for investigations.

But Bill Clinton has made about $100,000,000 in speaking fees and the Democrats say nothing. A bunch of hypocrites.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: try again ()
Date: July 03, 2014 07:31PM

Fm97n Wrote:
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> That sea hag Hillary Clinton was paid $14,000,000
> by Simon & Schuster because they are Leftists and
> want to be a part of the in-crowd.
>
> So far, that book has only made about $5,000,000,
> and it's sinking like a bomb (per the Washington
> Post).
>
> So, essentially, Simon & Schuster gave a gift of
> $9,000,000.
>
> See how it works.
>
> Let me ask, is there anyone reading this stupid
> thread who has read her book?
>
> Also, when Reagan left office, he soon after went
> to Japan and was paid $2,000,000 for a speech. The
> Democrats went apoplectic, shaking with rage, and
> announcing the need for investigations.
>
> But Bill Clinton has made about $100,000,000 in
> speaking fees and the Democrats say nothing. A
> bunch of hypocrites.

I recall expressions of concern from both parties when Reagan went to Japan. But saying that "the Democrats went apoplectic, shaking with rage" is hyperbolic. Moreover, part of the concern was the payment was a quid pro quo for having gone easy on Japan in trade negotiations. (Reagan was responsible for the voluntary export restraints that hammered American car buyers and enriched Japanese auto companies.)

As for Clinton, I am not aware that he ever got anything near $2,000,000 for two speeches. (And $2,000,000 was real money back in 1989.) Reagan opened the door, and W and Clinton walked through.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Major Minor ()
Date: July 03, 2014 07:47PM

try again Wrote:
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>
>
> She has been a left-wing socialist her whole life?
> She volunteered for the Nixon (1960) and
> Goldwater campaigns. She served as president of
> the Young Republicans one year when she was in
> college. She worked on Nelson Rockefeller's
> presidential campaign, and she attended the 1968
> Republican National Convention. Whatever.
>
> When Monica Lewinsky went to work at the White
> House she was 22, not 19. She was a college
> graduate by then, and she had already been
> involved in an affair with a high school teacher.
> Not that this justifies what Bill Clinton did, but
> do not portray her as some sort of teenage
> ingenue.
>
> I do not particularly like Hillary Clinton, but
> you are just making things up.


I don't think he was making it up, just not willing to take the time to fact check the details. If she wasn't radicalized until college, that is in-keeping with when most kids get radicalized. Perhaps the poster could have said "her whole adult life" but the significance of that is questionable. The difference between 19 and 22 isn't significant (other than 19 is still a "teenager" and therefore, more salacious) when it comes to a US president hitting on a young college aged intern.

I do not particularly dislike Hillary Clinton, but your response comes off as nick-picky and a feeble attempt to obfuscate the big issues by pointing out insignificant details.

Bottom line, Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street, just like Obama and Bush and Bill are. Putting Hillary in the White House is just a continuation of the royal oligarchy that is running this country.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: um ...... ()
Date: July 03, 2014 07:48PM

That $100 mill was after the fact, so, that has nothing to do with the struggles they had in office.

However I do agree, the book has sunk faster than the titanic. People just aren't thinking about politics in the summer time while they struggle to eat.

I will say this...if she decides to run she will probably win, though my personal opinion is we need to get rid of government. As Gene Simmons said, "the government cant even manage themselves and they want to manage us".

We need a new political system we need to be able audit the treasury, good, bad, or, indifferent. How much real cash do we have in reserves or are we just printing worthless money. Checks and Balances we need desperately. How much does the government wastefully spend and can we really cut programs out to make it a more balanced system. Probably. Why dont we? Too much red tape. Why isnt there a flat tax? Is it so tax attorneys and accountants get paid?

I better stop I could go on. :)

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: ec7uE ()
Date: July 03, 2014 08:33PM

Damn, see how Leftist Democrats circle the wagons.

Reagan is evil, quid pro quo, japan, trade deal, yadda yadda.

But Bill Clinton is good, and the hundred million dollars plus he was paid for "speaking" was paid by hard working Americans who really wanted to hear what the impeached president had to say.

The thing about Reagan was, he was funny. He was interesting.

Bill Clinton is just one more leftist hack. He makes fun of others. But he's really the trailer trash of the bunch. Monica Lewinsky was just a mouth piece for him. Bill Clinton turned the White House into a Trailer Park.

And Hillary, about whom this whole current thread revolves, was in the thick of it. She knew her husband was f---ing an unpaid intern, and she was okay with it.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: paid for by americans? ()
Date: July 03, 2014 09:46PM

americans didnt pay for his speaking appearances are you kidding me?

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: Ralph Pootawn ()
Date: July 03, 2014 10:17PM

"What difference, at this point, does it make?"
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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: GdKJ3 ()
Date: July 04, 2014 08:30PM

don't listen to a word those liars say

they aren't broke they are printing allot of money whenever they wish and NOT REPORTING IT

democrat businesses aren't paying taxes (ie, NY "free tax zone") and are being allow to report poverty while living large

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they moved into a very expensive house after the white house

had they been straddled with debt it wouuld have been moving into apartment

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if this is true she said this - i've had enough of their damn lies

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: VjtC3 ()
Date: July 04, 2014 08:32PM

the "standard of living test" is :

1) do you live in "the big house"

2) do you have to work to survive ?

3) do you have luxuries (ie, eating out, luxury car, etc)

absolute bull shit clinton's are broke. mobsters is closer to the mark.

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Re: Clinton says pair 'dead broke' after White House
Posted by: eff ewe. ()
Date: July 04, 2014 08:42PM

retardz

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Posted by: Dances with Liberals ()
Date: July 09, 2014 07:29AM

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