Boss demanded that I come to work today because I have a 4x4? That's not fair!!!!

Tell him its not running. If its a Ford, its probably not.

Not Fair! Wrote:
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> Boss demanded that I come to work today because I
> have a 4x4? That's not fair!!!!

I always have a 4x4 because I'm critical staff. I have a job and that's fair.

You don't need a 4x4. I have two all-wheel drive vehicles and am on an emergency call list at the nearby hospital. No work for me this time though, as this is not enough snow to actually matter.

We own multiple 4x4's. Anyone that knows me, knows that as far as I am concerned the 4x4 is for beach driving NOT snow driving. Nobody would want me out on the roads driving in the snow. There has never been an issue of my getting to work. There are buses, trains, friends, co-workers and family. I don't miss days because of snow even if I'm not driving.

I have been out in worse with just 2WD and chains. Works well enough until the snow gets too deep (up to the frame). At which point, you have to ask yourself, how crazy am I?

After about 4 hours the roads in Fairfax County are clear unless it's 3 feet of snow. If it's three feet of snow then not even a Jeep or 4x4 is going to work.

Unless you like going offroad on some private property a 4x4 is a complete waste for practical purposes. 4x4's have terrible rides, get awful gas mileage and breakdown a lot.

Jenny M Wrote:
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> We own multiple 4x4's. Anyone that knows me,
> knows that as far as I am concerned the 4x4 is for
> beach driving NOT snow driving. Nobody would want
> me out on the roads driving in the snow. There has
> never been an issue of my getting to work. There
> are buses, trains, friends, co-workers and family.
> I don't miss days because of snow even if I'm not
> driving.

What beaches do you drive on with your multiple 4x4's?

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mhcwt Wrote:
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> I have been out in worse with just 2WD and chains.
> Works well enough until the snow gets too deep
> (up to the frame). At which point, you have to
> ask yourself, how crazy am I?

I've been out in worse with just FWD and good tires. E.g., March 1993 storm.

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Not Fair! Wrote:
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> Boss demanded that I come to work today because I
> have a 4x4? That's not fair!!!!


Goddammit Francis. Who the fuck was going to run the fryer if you didn't come in?

Not Fair! Wrote:
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> Boss demanded that I come to work today because I
> have a 4x4? That's not fair!!!!


I'm pretty sure offered benefits, leave, and work from home policies need to be uniform across full-time salaried employees.

Arguably this could fall under a "don't come to work if you can't make it in safely" clause, and the boss thinks that doesn't apply to you. But that's a legally perilous position to take if you crack up on the way to work.

Flurries... Wrote:
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> You don't need a 4x4. I have two all-wheel drive
> vehicles and am on an emergency call list at the
> nearby hospital. No work for me this time though,
> as this is not enough snow to actually matter.


What is the difference between an All-Wheel Drive (AWD) car and a Four-Wheel Drive (4WD) car? Both cars drive all four wheels so in one sense there is no difference except that AWD has become an accepted description for a car that drives all of the wheels, all of the time. 4WD is generally accepted as a car or more typically a larger SUV (Sports Utility Vehicle) that uses a driver selectable system that mechanically engages the drive to all four wheels.

4WD is normally used on large SUV Four-Wheel Drive (4x4) vehicles designed to use the extra traction of 4WD in off road situations. These vehicles are predominately truck based platforms with large wheels and off road tyres that combined with a manually selected and a locked 4WD driveline enables the vehicle to venture off-road and negotiate very difficult terrain.

A locked 4WD driveline means that there is direct mechanical link between front and rear axles with no mechanism to allow any difference in the number rotations of the front and rear axles. This means that when the 4x4 vehicle turns a corner because the radius of turn is different for front and rear axles, the tyres on the axle with the smaller radius of turn must be able to slip on a loose slippery ground surface. If the ground surface is not slippery and the tyres do not slip, then the driveline (axles and propeller shaft etc) will twist and stress will be induced. This is known as ‘wind up’ and ultimately if the twist cannot dissipate the vehicle will no longer be able to move as it becomes ‘locked up’. This will generally only happen at lower speeds on ground surfaces with no slip. At higher speeds or on slippery road surfaces, the tyre is able to slip and the ‘wind up’ is released. This means that when 4WD vehicles are driven on normal road surfaces, 4x4 must be deselected and the vehicle driven in two wheel drive.

As stated in the first paragraph, an AWD vehicle drives all of the wheels all of the time, so the system must include a mechanism that is generally a limited slip differential or an electronically controlled clutch to allow a rotational difference between front and rear axles.

Crossover small or medium SUV All-Wheel Drive cars such as Subaru Forester that are designed for normal road use with occasional dirt or mild off road use generally use permanently engaged AWD systems. This has the active safety advantage of always having twice the grip of a driver selectable 4WD system. This means that in the unexpected situation where the corner is more slippery than expected or when immediate traction is required to move safely into merging traffic, All-Wheel Drive is already engaged and the required level of traction is available to safely negotiate the situation.

The best SUV, therefore, from an active safety point of view is an AWD vehicle that does not require driver selection to drive all four wheels. This is because twice the level of traction is always available to get out of that difficult situation when a split second can make the difference between life and death.

However, to be a true All-Wheel Drive vehicle the system must be one that does not require any driver intervention to select drive to all four wheels. Any system that normally runs in 2WD and only engages Four-Wheel drive when loss of traction occurs or requires driver selection is not a true AWD system because it is not driving all of the wheels, all of the time. With these systems, by the time 4X4 is engaged, traction is lost and a potentially dangerous situation has occurred.

Did someone say four wheel drive?
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pretty sure that's illegal Wrote:
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> Not Fair! Wrote:
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> > Boss demanded that I come to work today because
> I
> > have a 4x4? That's not fair!!!!
>
>
> I'm pretty sure offered benefits, leave, and work
> from home policies need to be uniform across
> full-time salaried employees.
>
> Arguably this could fall under a "don't come to
> work if you can't make it in safely" clause, and
> the boss thinks that doesn't apply to you. But
> that's a legally perilous position to take if you
> crack up on the way to work.


That’s stupid. What country are you from?

just because you have a 4WD does NOT mean you know how to drive. For someone that knows how to drive, 4WD is far superior to AWD. I wish I could still get locking hubs in a 150/1500.

mr obvious Wrote:
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> just because you have a 4WD does NOT mean you know
> how to drive. For someone that knows how to drive,
> 4WD is far superior to AWD. I wish I could still
> get locking hubs in a 150/1500.

AWD is superior on paved roads. 4WD is made for mud. However, Subaru AWD seems to rule in both pavement and dirt because of the gearing ratios.

If you are going to be driving in mud and farm shit then get a pickup truck or Jeep. Snow on paved roads you want AWD.

mr obvious Wrote:
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> just because you have a 4WD does NOT mean you know
> how to drive. For someone that knows how to drive,
> 4WD is far superior to AWD. I wish I could still
> get locking hubs in a 150/1500.


Lol how would locking hubs make a difference in 4wd?

Learn2Truck Wrote:
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> mr obvious Wrote:
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> > just because you have a 4WD does NOT mean you
> know
> > how to drive. For someone that knows how to
> drive,
> > 4WD is far superior to AWD. I wish I could
> still
> > get locking hubs in a 150/1500.
>
>
> Lol how would locking hubs make a difference in
> 4wd?


This is an example of someone that doesn't into how to drive. Locking hubs allow you to use the low range of the transfer case without using 4WD. It's come in handy many times for me. I have yet to an AWD system do that. Also, is AWD is so much better that 4WD why is all the snow removal equipment not AWD? Because it is not better than 4WD.

And let me guess, you have crappy all seasons on there too. My RWD car with winter tires will do much better than your POS SUV.

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dafuk Wrote:
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> Also, is AWD is so much better that 4WD why is all the snow removal
> equipment not AWD? Because it is not better than 4WD.

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