Just 6 months since he was promising hope and change from political and controversial AG actions. Hypocrites. Sociopaths really. All the Virginia Democrat leadership lies. Running against what they intend to do.

We are so happy that we can send our fine young senorita off to college for less American dollars! It will be so great to see her, 'cause she is the first in our family to go! It will make such a difference to us, too, as she will find a fine young wealthy gringo to marry, to make us much part of rich American family!

Gracias!

You guys are so fucking stupid. GOD FORBID we afford ANYONE the right to a higher education. The fact that they get to pay in-state tuition in no way, shape or form affects you. Their money pays their professors, not you. So shut the fuck up and go read a god damn book you hillbilly asshole.

I can kinda sympathize with people who came here with their parents as kids, they had no say in it...

But if an adult is living here illegally, working under the table and stiffing Richmond for taxes, they don't have a leg to stand on.

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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WingNut Wrote:
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> I can kinda sympathize with people who came here
> with their parents as kids, they had no say in
> it...
>
> But if an adult is living here illegally, working
> under the table and stiffing Richmond for taxes,
> they don't have a leg to stand on.


Do you feel that way about ANYONE, regardless of citizenship or legal status, when it comes to "working under the table"?

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I can kinda sympathize with people who came
> here
> > with their parents as kids, they had no say in
> > it...
> >
> > But if an adult is living here illegally,
> working
> > under the table and stiffing Richmond for
> taxes,
> > they don't have a leg to stand on.
>
>
> Do you feel that way about ANYONE, regardless of
> citizenship or legal status, when it comes to
> "working under the table"?

I think the penalty should be the same, including denial of tuition.

If you're in this country illegally, you aren't entitled to shit and we're perfectly in our rights to ship your ass back.

I don't advocate total deportation, but the herd should be thinned. I'm for limited amnesty on a case by case basis with major fines.

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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WingNut Wrote:
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> thisisajokeright Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WingNut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I can kinda sympathize with people who came
> > here
> > > with their parents as kids, they had no say
> in
> > > it...
> > >
> > > But if an adult is living here illegally,
> > working
> > > under the table and stiffing Richmond for
> > taxes,
> > > they don't have a leg to stand on.
> >
> >
> > Do you feel that way about ANYONE, regardless
> of
> > citizenship or legal status, when it comes to
> > "working under the table"?
>
> I think the penalty should be the same, including
> denial of tuition.
>
> If you're in this country illegally, you aren't
> entitled to shit and we're perfectly in our rights
> to ship your ass back.
>
> I don't advocate total deportation, but the herd
> should be thinned. I'm for limited amnesty on a
> case by case basis with major fines.


What's saddest to me is when someone here without papers starts fuckin' shit up and committing crimes; it makes every other person here without papers look bad. They're not all bad people. Obviously I don't know everyone of them ever, but I've worked with many, I'm married to a one-time undocumented man and I've made so many friends who were in the same boat (mixed-status) throughout my journey... they're not all bad. They really aren't.

WingNut Wrote:
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> thisisajokeright Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WingNut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I can kinda sympathize with people who came
> > here
> > > with their parents as kids, they had no say
> in
> > > it...
> > >
> > > But if an adult is living here illegally,
> > working
> > > under the table and stiffing Richmond for
> > taxes,
> > > they don't have a leg to stand on.
> >
> >
> > Do you feel that way about ANYONE, regardless
> of
> > citizenship or legal status, when it comes to
> > "working under the table"?
>
> I think the penalty should be the same, including
> denial of tuition.
>
> If you're in this country illegally, you aren't
> entitled to shit and we're perfectly in our rights
> to ship your ass back.
>
> I don't advocate total deportation, but the herd
> should be thinned. I'm for limited amnesty on a
> case by case basis with major fines.

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Even "limited" amnesty will be a can of worms.

Gringos always scared somebody gon' take their job.

This ruling allows undocumented students access to higher education.

Who would be against that?

Instead, tell your lazy azz kids to get off Facebook, put down the video games, stop drinking beer in the woods, and compete academically.

Then you don't have to worry bout us undocs taking your kids place in college.

LOL - Frito Lay

Sure, we'll admit a few as window dressing, and perhaps they'll go on to Government jobs, but the vast majority?
Just like your precious snowflakes, they'll wind up owing a great deal of $$$ with middling results at best, eventually hopping back off of the proverbial grid, stiffing the rest of you with the tab.

But hey, they'll be "educated". Or something.

So chica wants to attend BigStateUniversity, but doesn't want to fork up the $$$?
Simple, claim "no hable", and presto, in state rates!

We're fucked.

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> What's saddest to me is when someone here without
> papers starts fuckin' shit up and committing
> crimes; it makes every other person here without
> papers look bad. They're not all bad people.
> Obviously I don't know everyone of them ever, but
> I've worked with many, I'm married to a one-time
> undocumented man and I've made so many friends who
> were in the same boat (mixed-status) throughout my
> journey... they're not all bad. They really
> aren't.


What's saddest to me is People don't understand what ILLEGAL fucking means. It's illegal for me to steal from a store, but fuck it, I'm special. It's illegal to go over the speed limit, But fuck it, I'm special.
Go to the Illegals homeland and try pulling the shit they are getting away with here, It's Not going to happen.
However, common sense makes me a Racist, So fuck you and your ILLEGAL friends.

GOD FORBID we afford ANYONE the right to a higher education

----------------------
go back to CA where it's free then, or NY where taxes are at %50 income

here we have low taxes and you can spend the money how you want

assuming you work and people aren't stealing from you: (meaning assuming obama isn't in town) it is the greatest freedom to decide

screw you you wouldn't understand

As a GMU student, and have friends from other states and other countries - granting in-state tuition to illegal immigrants is so unfair.....

One of my best friends is from Vietnam, and he has to jump through countless administrative hoops to maintain his student visa, pays $30,000 per year (no option for financial aide), and has to buy the $3,000/year international student health insurance....

Oh yeah, and after he graduates - if he can't find a job within 6 months he has to leave to the country as his student visa will expire.....


This is what a LAW ABIDING international student has to go through in order to attend college.....

You think it's fair????

No one is trying to deny anyone an education....

This is so unfair - why not ELIMINATE out-of-state tuition and have everyone pay the same????

Give me one reason why my friend pays $30,000 when he follows the law while some illegal alien who breaks the law pays $10,000??

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> You guys are so fucking stupid. GOD FORBID we
> afford ANYONE the right to a higher education. The
> fact that they get to pay in-state tuition in no
> way, shape or form affects you. Their money pays
> their professors, not you. So shut the fuck up and
> go read a god damn book you hillbilly asshole.

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> You guys are so fucking stupid. GOD FORBID we
> afford ANYONE the right to a higher education. The
> fact that they get to pay in-state tuition in no
> way, shape or form affects you. Their money pays
> their professors, not you. So shut the fuck up and
> go read a god damn book you hillbilly asshole.

Yes it does a-hole! If the illegal takes an in state slot which then causes a legal Virginia resident from getting into the school.

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> You guys are so fucking stupid. GOD FORBID we
> afford ANYONE the right to a higher education. The
> fact that they get to pay in-state tuition in no
> way, shape or form affects you. Their money pays
> their professors, not you. So shut the fuck up and
> go read a god damn book you hillbilly asshole.

Shut your hole, you ignorant twat. You're a fucking bigot and have no moral high ground.

The reason for providing a subsidy for in-state residents is an economic one. Virginia hopes the graduates of its schools stay in state and work and exploit their human capital for the benefit of all citizens of the state. One could likely find considerble data to support the notion that the in-state subsidy really makes sense with schools like George Mason and Virginia Tech, both of which have any number of "practical" majors and which no doubt contribute o the existence of a middle class in Northern Virginia.

The problem with providing the subsidy for undocumented students is that they cannot lawfully work after they graduate, especially in Northern Virginia. Many employers have obligations to utilize e-Verify, and as such employment with entities who hire people with college degrees is a virtual impossibility for undocumented college grads, short of very clever acts of identity theft or fraud.

So I fail to understand how Virginia taxpayers can possibly ever recoup their investment. The likely answer is they cannot, and the investment is a poor one, from an economic perspective. This leaves it justifiable only because of group sensitivities (but bear in mind that these students do have the possibility of going to university in their home country, which are typically cheaper than schools here) or, more likely, craven political pandering.

I half expect to her ad hominem attacks rather than any meaningful rebuttal to this post. But heck, this policy, decided upon by an AG, really makes very little economic sense. Aren't we failing to provide sufficient social and government services to lawful citizens given budget pressures? Why is this good policy?

The AG , both in Va and the US one, act with lawlessness. It is their personal opinion they are pushing, not what the state wants. I don't remember voting to give illegs in-state tuition.

the children of illegals must pay the price for their parents breaking the law. I am sick of giving spics free handouts...

No break for you Pedro!

mark j Wrote:
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I am sick of
> giving spics free handouts...
>
> No break for you Pedro!


AMEN!!
I have no Idea what part of ILLEGAL people don't understand.

mark j Wrote:
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> The AG , both in Va and the US one, act with
> lawlessness. It is their personal opinion they are
> pushing, not what the state wants. I don't
> remember voting to give illegs in-state tuition.
>
> the children of illegals must pay the price for
> their parents breaking the law. I am sick of
> giving spics free handouts...
>
> No break for you Pedro!

You should not be surprised - Herring made his position known during the campaign. And he does put some constraints on who is eligible - people who have been here since early childhood through no fault of their own. Since Herring was elected, this is presumably what the people of the state want (although it could be argued that his Republican opponent was so fucking scary that he looked like the only sane alternative).

The AG's job is to interpret the law. He took a liberal interpretation that people like you hate. I'm pretty sure that you didn't say a peep during Cuccinnelli's reckless wild goose chases.

These people are here to stay. You can't wish them away. Out of state tuition is virtually prohibitive for most middle class people, let alone immigrants. I'd much rather that they be educated than consigned to jobs like landscaping for generations. It's a long term investment. Plus, it's just the right thing to do.

Tough Wrote:

> These people are here to stay. You can't wish them
> away. Out of state tuition is virtually
> prohibitive for most middle class people, let
> alone immigrants. I'd much rather that they be
> educated than consigned to jobs like landscaping
> for generations. It's a long term investment.
> Plus, it's just the right thing to do.


Well, With that logic....

I'm kinda broke. I'm going to steal money..I know it's ILLEGAL, But it's ok, I will be here for a long time also, I will get a job soon, so it's a long term investment.
I hope you understand. It's just the right thing to do.

Tough Wrote:
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> mark j Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The AG , both in Va and the US one, act with
> > lawlessness. It is their personal opinion they
> are
> > pushing, not what the state wants. I don't
> > remember voting to give illegs in-state
> tuition.
> >
> > the children of illegals must pay the price for
> > their parents breaking the law. I am sick of
> > giving spics free handouts...
> >
> > No break for you Pedro!
>
> You should not be surprised - Herring made his
> position known during the campaign. And he does
> put some constraints on who is eligible - people
> who have been here since early childhood through
> no fault of their own. Since Herring was elected,
> this is presumably what the people of the state
> want (although it could be argued that his
> Republican opponent was so fucking scary that he
> looked like the only sane alternative).
>
> The AG's job is to interpret the law. He took a
> liberal interpretation that people like you hate.
> I'm pretty sure that you didn't say a peep during
> Cuccinnelli's reckless wild goose chases.
>
> These people are here to stay. You can't wish them
> away. Out of state tuition is virtually
> prohibitive for most middle class people, let
> alone immigrants. I'd much rather that they be
> educated than consigned to jobs like landscaping
> for generations. It's a long term investment.
> Plus, it's just the right thing to do.

What makes you the moral authority????

No it doesn't surprise me, but it outrages me none-the-less.....

Don't think for one second Herring or any politician actually cares about illegal immigrants as people - they just want the votes....and they're screwing the American citizens and the LEGAL immigrants/international students in the process....

So should my friend from Vietnam just say 'fuck it' to his international student visa paperwork, and all the other steps he has to take to legally reside and attend school here?

What about my other friend: originally from MD, who after living in Virginia for two years while attending GMU - applied and appealed for instate tuition the remaining two years but never got it.....

I think people should just obey the law, and we shouldn't give preferential treatment to those who break it....

What is this backwards country now???

Isn't it illegal for them attend a university anyway??? If it its illegal for them to work here how can they attend a university?????



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Confuzed Wrote:
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>
> What makes you the moral authority????
>
> No it doesn't surprise me, but it outrages me
> none-the-less.....
>
> Don't think for one second Herring or any
> politician actually cares about illegal immigrants
> as people - they just want the votes....and
> they're screwing the American citizens and the
> LEGAL immigrants/international students in the
> process....
>
> So should my friend from Vietnam just say 'fuck
> it' to his international student visa paperwork,
> and all the other steps he has to take to legally
> reside and attend school here?
>
> What about my other friend: originally from MD,
> who after living in Virginia for two years while
> attending GMU - applied and appealed for instate
> tuition the remaining two years but never got
> it.....
>
> I think people should just obey the law, and we
> shouldn't give preferential treatment to those who
> break it....
>
> What is this backwards country now???
>
> Isn't it illegal for them attend a university
> anyway??? If it its illegal for them to work here
> how can they attend a university?????


^^ THE FUCKING TRUTH!!!

Confuzed Wrote:
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> What makes you the moral authority????

I'm not - never said I was. I'm actually conflicted on this issue.

> No it doesn't surprise me, but it outrages me
> none-the-less.....

I appreciate that.

> Don't think for one second Herring or any
> politician actually cares about illegal immigrants
> as people - they just want the votes....and
> they're screwing the American citizens and the
> LEGAL immigrants/international students in the
> process....

Some care, some don't.

> So should my friend from Vietnam just say 'fuck
> it' to his international student visa paperwork,
> and all the other steps he has to take to legally
> reside and attend school here?

I hope not. Clearly, he's doing all the right things.

> What about my other friend: originally from MD,
> who after living in Virginia for two years while
> attending GMU - applied and appealed for instate
> tuition the remaining two years but never got
> it.....

Can't comment - don't know what the rules are. Superficially, that does not seem fair.

> I think people should just obey the law, and we
> shouldn't give preferential treatment to those who
> break it....

That's the point - they didn't. Their parents did.

> What is this backwards country now???
>
> Isn't it illegal for them attend a university
> anyway??? If it its illegal for them to work here
> how can they attend a university?????

I repeat - it doesn't matter whether you or I like or value these people. They are here, and they are staying here. Personally, I'd prefer much more vigorous and effective measures against illegal immigration. But that's not happening - and you can blame both sides for that. Would you rather that these people be educated and offer something to the rest of us, or do you want them to continue to be confined to low-paying crappy jobs ( which, of course, must be supplemented with Government assistance)? That is the choice.

Let's Be Pragmatic Wrote:
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Would you rather
> that these people be educated and offer something
> to the rest of us, or do you want them to continue
> to be confined to low-paying crappy jobs ( which,
> of course, must be supplemented with Government
> assistance)? That is the choice.


I would rather have the LAW enforced. I despise an ILLEGAL sucking off the system, while other hard working people here Follow the rules and get fucked.
Let's be Pragmatic, You want to pay for them, move them in with you and flip the entire bill. I want nothing to do with this ILLEGAL vote buying Joke.

"I'd much rather that they be educated than consigned to jobs like landscaping"

If those represent two extremes to you, then you are a fool, worthy of nothing.

"The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water."

Whenever the government gives you a reason for one of their actions..remember that it's most definitely a big fat lie!

Let's Be Pragmatic Wrote:
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> Confuzed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What makes you the moral authority????
>
> I'm not - never said I was. I'm actually
> conflicted on this issue.
>
> > No it doesn't surprise me, but it outrages me
> > none-the-less.....
>
> I appreciate that.
>
> > Don't think for one second Herring or any
> > politician actually cares about illegal
> immigrants
> > as people - they just want the votes....and
> > they're screwing the American citizens and the
> > LEGAL immigrants/international students in the
> > process....
>
> Some care, some don't.
>
> > So should my friend from Vietnam just say 'fuck
> > it' to his international student visa
> paperwork,
> > and all the other steps he has to take to
> legally
> > reside and attend school here?
>
> I hope not. Clearly, he's doing all the right
> things.
>
> > What about my other friend: originally from MD,
> > who after living in Virginia for two years
> while
> > attending GMU - applied and appealed for
> instate
> > tuition the remaining two years but never got
> > it.....
>
> Can't comment - don't know what the rules are.
> Superficially, that does not seem fair.
>
> > I think people should just obey the law, and we
> > shouldn't give preferential treatment to those
> who
> > break it....
>
> That's the point - they didn't. Their parents
> did.
>
> > What is this backwards country now???
> >
> > Isn't it illegal for them attend a university
> > anyway??? If it its illegal for them to work
> here
> > how can they attend a university?????
>
> I repeat - it doesn't matter whether you or I like
> or value these people. They are here, and they are
> staying here. Personally, I'd prefer much more
> vigorous and effective measures against illegal
> immigration. But that's not happening - and you
> can blame both sides for that. Would you rather
> that these people be educated and offer something
> to the rest of us, or do you want them to continue
> to be confined to low-paying crappy jobs ( which,
> of course, must be supplemented with Government
> assistance)? That is the choice.


I appreciate your comments - just wanted to respond to two of your points:

> > What makes you the moral authority????
>
> I'm not - never said I was. I'm actually
> conflicted on this issue.

I was responding to:

"Plus, it's just the right thing to do."

Sorry if I came off a bit harsh - I've become a bit calloused after spending some time in Off Topic ;)


> What about my other friend: originally from MD,
> > who after living in Virginia for two years
> while
> > attending GMU - applied and appealed for
> instate
> > tuition the remaining two years but never got
> > it.....
>
> Can't comment - don't know what the rules are.
> Superficially, that does not seem fair.

To make a long story short - GMU likes out-of-state tuition (naturally), and they really do make it hard for students applying for instate tuition.....

From a business standpoint, I can understand.....

In my friend's particular case they were a bit harsh....Denying him first because his cellphone bill still had his parents' address on it...After he corrected that they found another reason, and so on and so forth....Their final reason for denying him was because his parents lived in MD and they paid his tuition......

This is why I got so offended when I heard the news today about illegals and instate tuition.....Law abiding citizens and international students pay the fair price - and get no special treatment.....

I don't see anyone campaigning for them........



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You walk into your home after a night on the town, and discover a burglar fast asleep on your couch. Do you leave him there to sleep in peace, since he was already there before you got home? Then when he wakes up, do you give him $100 and send him on his way, because it's the right thing to do? Of course not. You call the cops and get angry that someone dared enter your home illegally. See how that works? Illegal equals ILLEGAL...not illegal only when it's convienaint.
I am not down with the government taking my taxes to pay for illegal citizens to go to college. We can't even take care of our own citizens, so we have no business throwing money at non-citizens. If that's what you want, you can go screw yourself. Cheers!

^ What a crappy analogy.

The new law would just reduce the instate tuition for illegal children brought her as young children. I don't have a problem with that, but next time I'm voting Republican. The Democrats are WAY out of control.

vcxTU Wrote:
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> The new law would just reduce the instate tuition
> for illegal children brought her as young
> children. I don't have a problem with that, but
> next time I'm voting Republican. The Democrats are
> WAY out of control.

You're just now figuring that out? Get out from under that rock.

SawItComing Wrote:
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> vcxTU Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The new law would just reduce the instate
> tuition
> > for illegal children brought her as young
> > children. I don't have a problem with that, but
> > next time I'm voting Republican. The Democrats
> are
> > WAY out of control.
>
> You're just now figuring that out? Get out from
> under that rock.

I'm voting Republican all the way next time! No more koolaid for me!

Most of you are despicable human beings. It saddens me that you're American.

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> Most of you are despicable human beings. It
> saddens me that you're American.

Be honest, you're married to an illegal so you're a little slanted.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Wrote:
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> thisisajokeright Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Most of you are despicable human beings. It
> > saddens me that you're American.
>
> Be honest, you're married to an illegal so you're
> a little slanted.


He's not illegal anymore, jack ass. And even if I weren't, I have compassion for my fellow man and understand the strife of everyone except fucking close minded bottom of the barrel scum like yourself.

And you are despicable. Clueless, as well, especially after several irrefutable points, so you just start spewing hate.

Adios!

Whatever dude, someone who is much more well-versed in the law than people like you decided it's fair to give kids, brought here when they didn't have the cognitive ability to make their own life-changing decisions, in-state tuition. Haters gonna hate!

And if caring for people in the same manner Jesus would have makes me despicable, then fine. I'm happy you think that, though I personally don't give a fuck what you, or people like you, think of me.



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"kids, brought here when they didn't have the cognitive ability to make their own life-changing decisions"

Sure. Keep fucking that chicken. Twenty somethings who rolled across the border are "kids"? Thanks for the info.

BTW, pay for your kids out of state tuition. Oh, wait, you say you don't have kids? Then fuck off. Leave this for adults to handle.

Yet another liberal that thinks the American people should pay for some foreigners education.

that "education" has any part of this crapfest.

You are a joke Wrote:
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> "kids, brought here when they didn't have the
> cognitive ability to make their own life-changing
> decisions"
>
> Sure. Keep fucking that chicken. Twenty somethings
> who rolled across the border are "kids"? Thanks
> for the info.
>
> BTW, pay for your kids out of state tuition. Oh,
> wait, you say you don't have kids? Then fuck off.
> Leave this for adults to handle.

I actually do have kids, and I'm proud to raise them in a manner that accepts all people, regardless of their situation. It's YOUR children I feel sorry for, which such a vile human being as a parent. You DO understand that DACA requires someone to have been 16 years old or younger BEFORE 2012 when they came here, right? That's not "20 something year old adult" asswipe. Also, the CURRENT mandate of the DREAM Act says "...you needed to be 15 and under when you entered the country."

Keep fuckin' your sister, redneck. Clearly you have no idea about any of this.

Commentary Wrote:
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> Yet another liberal that thinks the American
> people should pay for some foreigners education.


I'd rather pay for some "foreigners education" than your inbred, buck toothed, cleft lip having kid's welfare.

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> Commentary Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yet another liberal that thinks the American
> > people should pay for some foreigners
> education.
>
>
> I'd rather pay for some "foreigners education"
> than your inbred, buck toothed, cleft lip having
> kid's welfare.

That is very unfortunate that you would hold a childs birth defect against them.

That is no laughing matter.

Shame on you.

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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Funny right there. You have no respect for others, so you rant off.

Oh, and you blew facts out of your ass again:

You may request consideration of deferred action for childhood arrivals if you:
1.Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
2.Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;
3.Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;
4.Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;
5.Entered without inspection before June 15, 2012, or your lawful immigration status expired as of June 15, 2012;
6.Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States; and
7.Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety

Note that there is NO FUCKING REQUIREMENT FOR OTHER DOCUMENTATION, dumbfuck. I say I was 16, then FUCK YEAH!

You're a fucking hater, G2.

is the one spewing hate.

Why you mad, bro?

accepts all people Wrote:
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> Funny right there. You have no respect for others,
> so you rant off.
>
> Oh, and you blew facts out of your ass again:
>
> You may request consideration of deferred action
> for childhood arrivals if you:
> 1.Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
> 2.Came to the United States before reaching your
> 16th birthday;
> 3.Have continuously resided in the United States
> since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;
> 4.Were physically present in the United States on
> June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your
> request for consideration of deferred action with
> USCIS;
> 5.Entered without inspection before June 15, 2012,
> or your lawful immigration status expired as of
> June 15, 2012;
> 6.Are currently in school, have graduated or
> obtained a certificate of completion from high
> school, have obtained a general education
> development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably
> discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed
> Forces of the United States; and
> 7.Have not been convicted of a felony, significant
> misdemeanor, three or more other misdemeanors, and
> do not otherwise pose a threat to national
> security or public safety
>
> Note that there is NO FUCKING REQUIREMENT FOR
> OTHER DOCUMENTATION, dumbfuck. I say I was 16,
> then FUCK YEAH!
>
> You're a fucking hater, G2.



Let me just tell you something, I have been through the USCIS wringer. I know exactly what they require, what they need, what they won't accept. I have seen many other women, in the same boat as me, go through the same shit. You think USCIS just hands out free passes like fucking candy? No. They don't. You've gotta PROVE all of this shit. You don't know the first thing about how the legal immigration system works so I suggest you step off. And I DO have respect for others, just not close-minded ignorant rednecks like you. And lastly, stop fucking calling me G2. I don't hate Jews and I'm not a man.

accepts all people Wrote:
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> You may request consideration of deferred action
> for childhood arrivals if you:
> 1.Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
> 2.Came to the United States before reaching your
> 16th birthday;


BTW that's not an "either or," asshole. That's an "and."

then claims to know "exactly" what they require.

Beclowns itself.

Hilarity.

Notice how the "sensitive" and "tolerant" libturd throws around the word "redneck"?

It's not right to say "towelhead" or "beaner" like that though, is it now?
Attachments:

teabaggerracistsucknstuff!!!

Follow the money. The immigrants WILL need student loans, mostly.

They just want that sweet student loan money to flow into their schools- they are looking for more revenue.

Its really that simple. Not about white, black, or brown. GREEN.

Whether you agree with the policy or not, the opinion is probably a correct interpretation of the law. The indulgence of the Obama administration changed the rules. Hopefully one of our Legal Eagles will weigh in.

WingNut Wrote:
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> Notice how the "sensitive" and "tolerant" libturd
> throws around the word "redneck"?
>
> It's not right to say "towelhead" or "beaner" like
> that though, is it now?

You people don't deserve respect. At all. Until the lot of you quit trolling articles that have to do with POTUS, SCOTUS, religion, immigration, gay marriage and guns, you do not. I repeat, DO NOT, deserve respect.

"you people".


smh omg

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> "you people".
>
>
> smh omg


Your vocabulary has become quite limited, WingNut.

I've got nothing to say, so I just scream this out every few minutes on FFU

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> Let me just tell you something, I have been
> through the USCIS wringer. I know exactly what
> they require, what they need, what they won't
> accept. I have seen many other women, in the same
> boat as me, go through the same shit. You think
> USCIS just hands out free passes like fucking
> candy? No. They don't. You've gotta PROVE all of
> this shit. You don't know the first thing about
> how the legal immigration system works so I
> suggest you step off. And I DO have respect for
> others, just not close-minded ignorant rednecks
> like you. And lastly, stop fucking calling me G2.
> I don't hate Jews and I'm not a man.


Not if you just ignore all of that shit you don't. lol

Dumb asses... Here ya go.

Illegal asshole making min wage= VA getting $0 in tax revenue.

residency + college education + college level job = VA getting $10K per year in tax revenue.... FOR LIFE....

Money talks \\\\\\\\

NOW GO EAT A DICK MOTHERFUCKER.

missing the economic issue Wrote:
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> The reason for providing a subsidy for in-state
> residents is an economic one. Virginia hopes the
> graduates of its schools stay in state and work
> and exploit their human capital for the benefit of
> all citizens of the state. One could likely find
> considerble data to support the notion that the
> in-state subsidy really makes sense with schools
> like George Mason and Virginia Tech, both of which
> have any number of "practical" majors and which no
> doubt contribute o the existence of a middle class
> in Northern Virginia.
>


While I agree with most of the rest, lower in-state tuition is not a "subsidy." The tuition is less in-state because VA residents pay VA taxes to support the schools. Out-of-state residents do not.

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> > Be honest, you're married to an illegal so
> you're
> > a little slanted.
>
>
> He's not illegal anymore, jack ass. And even if I
> weren't, I have compassion for my fellow man and
> understand the strife of everyone except fucking
> close minded bottom of the barrel scum like
> yourself.


I would be a little salty and mad also if i were being used for USA citizenship. Sucka..

YO YO YO Wrote:
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> Dumb asses... Here ya go.
>
> Illegal asshole making min wage= VA getting $0 in
> tax revenue.
>
> residency + college education + college level job
> = VA getting $10K per year in tax revenue.... FOR
> LIFE....
>
> Money talks \\\\\\\\
>
> NOW GO EAT A DICK MOTHERFUCKER.

People, regardless of whether or not they use a fake SSN, pay taxes if they are employed and receive a normal pay check (and I don't mean a handwritten paycheck for "under the table" workers). Many years ago, one was able to acquire an ITIN. They used their ITINs to -- *gasp* PAY TAXES!! If you use a fake SSN, and receive a normal paycheck, you're -- *gasp* PAYING TAXES!

xxxxxxxxx Wrote:
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> thisisajokeright Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > > Be honest, you're married to an illegal so
> > you're
> > > a little slanted.
> >
> >
> > He's not illegal anymore, jack ass. And even if
> I
> > weren't, I have compassion for my fellow man
> and
> > understand the strife of everyone except
> fucking
> > close minded bottom of the barrel scum like
> > yourself.
>
>
> I would be a little salty and mad also if i were
> being used for USA citizenship. Sucka..


Because you know the story of our relationship.

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> xxxxxxxxx Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > thisisajokeright Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > > Be honest, you're married to an illegal so
> > > you're
> > > > a little slanted.
> > >
> > >
> > > He's not illegal anymore, jack ass. And even
> if
> > I
> > > weren't, I have compassion for my fellow man
> > and
> > > understand the strife of everyone except
> > fucking
> > > close minded bottom of the barrel scum like
> > > yourself.
> >
> >
> > I would be a little salty and mad also if i
> were
> > being used for USA citizenship. Sucka..
>
>
> Because you know the story of our relationship.


Sucka...

so that makes it all OK?

Sure.

fake SSN, pay taxes Wrote:
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> so that makes it all OK?
>
> Sure.


Did I say that? You idiots are the ones bitching about "dey terk er jerbs!" and "der dun pay terxes!"

Why didn't that silver toothed, MGD swigging dwarf husband of yours fix his own country?

I heard Chirilagua has a lot of potential.

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> Why didn't that silver toothed, MGD swigging dwarf
> husband of yours fix his own country?
>
> I heard Chirilagua has a lot of potential.


Nothing in his mouth other than the pearly whites he was born with.

Doesn't drink alcohol.

Is not from Chirilagua.

Try again.

Why didn't he fix his own country?

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STBU.

Why so butthurt?

WingNut Wrote:
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> Why didn't he fix his own country?


Why do you care so much? Why don't you fix this country??

laughing at your lame ass attempts to lie your way out of what you said.

LOLZ!!!

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why didn't he fix his own country?
>
>
> Why do you care so much? Why don't you fix this
> country??

If you only knew...

Again, why didn't your old man fix his own country?

Did he just abandon his peeps back there and leave them in poverty?

You know we're just pulling your chain about the sham marriage, right?

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> thisisajokeright Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WingNut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why didn't he fix his own country?
> >
> >
> > Why do you care so much? Why don't you fix this
> > country??
>
> If you only knew...
>
> Again, why didn't your old man fix his own
> country?
>
> Did he just abandon his peeps back there and leave
> them in poverty?
>
> You know we're just pulling your chain about the
> sham marriage, right?


Have you ever been to central America?

Why yes I have!

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> Why yes I have!

Which country, for how long and why?

None of your business, for a few weeks, because.

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WingNut Wrote:
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> None of your business, for a few weeks, because.


How can I make a valid argument without the facts? I'm not a Republican!!

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> fake SSN, pay taxes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > so that makes it all OK?
> >
> > Sure.
>
>
> Did I say that? You idiots are the ones bitching
> about "dey terk er jerbs!" and "der dun pay
> terxes!"


Since when are taxpayers "Jerks" because they're complaining that they have to pay FOR YOUR HUSBAND AND HIS RELATIVES? No one has a problem with controlled, immigration that follows the law. It's when we have illegal immigration where American citizens get left paying the bill because somebody snuck into the country illegally where we have a problem. The real issue you need to deal with is this...Why do you think they came here? Answer: Because they fucked up their own country too much and don't have the GUTS to fix it because they are COWARDS.

It's not about me there, cuddles.

The question is about your hubby and why he abandoned his homeland.

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You do realize that the vast majority of National Merit Scholarship finalists are children of 1st generation immigrants. They bolster our collective knowledge and intelligence and the USA is the direct benefactor of these immigrants work ethic.

WingNut Wrote:
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> It's not about me there, cuddles.
>
> The question is about your hubby and why he
> abandoned his homeland.


There is no work in many CA countries. People lack resources for adequate education and other things. Those who come here to the US often send a large part of the money they earn back home to their families.

Also, why ask why, what bills are you talking about? I'm confused as to why you are under the assumption that every foreigner who is here without papers works under the table and doesn't pay taxes when I literally just spelled it out for you.

You_Are_A_Racist Wrote:
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> You do realize that the vast majority of National
> Merit Scholarship finalists are children of 1st
> generation immigrants. They bolster our collective
> knowledge and intelligence and the USA is the
> direct benefactor of these immigrants work ethic.

Ah, but we're not talking about immigrants. We are talking about "Illegal Immigrants". Big difference.

http://bearingdrift.com/2014/04/29/the-ends-dont-justify-the-means/

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> http://bearingdrift.com/2014/04/29/the-ends-dont-j
> ustify-the-means/

Great piece Brian...

The ends don’t justify the means
http://bearingdrift.com/2014/04/29/the-ends-dont-justify-the-means/

It is all too easy in governing to fall prey to consequentialism. When the end goal is just, right, or laudable, the pernicious argument that the ends justify the means can lead even the best legislators or executives into temptation. If the end goal is righteous enough, few elected leaders can withstand the flawed reasoning that it doesn’t matter how you make that goal happen.

This philosophy has grown like a particularly noxious and robust weed in Washington, and like an invasive species, it has slithered its way down I-95 to take up residence in Richmond.

The cause this time? In-state tuition for the children of illegal immigrants.

Attorney General Mark Herring’s announcement today that the Commonwealth would allow those kids – often referred to as DREAMers – to attend Virginia colleges at the cheaper in-state rate is a perfect example of where an elected official has allowed the siren song of a consequentalist argument to guide his actions while ignoring how damaging those actions are. While Mr. Herring’s goal is laudable, what he did today is yet another blow to our republican form of government. It will increase partisan cynicism, it undermines faith in the elections process, and damages some of the most fundamental concepts upon which our governments are based.

To paraphrase Chief Justice Marshall, it is emphatically not the province and duty of the executive branch to say what the law is. Nor is it the role of the Attorney General to implement a policy that the General Assembly has chosen not to implement. Yet that’s exactly what he chose to do today. It does not and should not matter that his cause is just. Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is no more virtuous than doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. There is a more important concept at stake here.

To be clear, I fully support the idea that those Virginians who were brought here illegally as children should not be punished for the sins of their fathers. Nor should they be treated like they’re criminals, either. That’s why I supported the DREAM Act at the Federal level, and why I supported SB 249 in the Senate. It wasn’t their fault what their parents did, and if they’ve attended Virginia schools and have otherwise qualified as Virginia residents, I think those kids should have the same privilege of lower tuition mine will have if he chooses to go to college here in Virginia. But despite how fundamentally fair SB 249 is, it didn’t pass. It didn’t even make it out of committee.

Every legislative session, thousands of good bills that deserve to be passed and enacted into law die in Committee. The best of them come back year after year, and are eventually enacted into law. That’s how our process is designed to work. It may be slow, but it is designed to build consensus and to ensure that the laws enacted are truly the will of the people. The best lawmakers are able to find ways to ensure that those laws do get passed and even when their bills fail, they rarely take that failure and walk away, never to try again. At the same time, it’s important that if those laws fail, the will of the legislature should stand. If the people disagree with what the legislature has done, the proper recourse is the ballot box, not a letter from the Attorney General, or an Executive Order from the President. The will of the legislature is, after all, the will of the people as expressed by their elected representatives. Even when it’s wrong, misguided, or flies in the face of common sense or common decency.

It would be different if this issue dealt with a fundamental right, like voting or even marriage. It doesn’t. There is no fundamental right to cheaper college tuition. This is a question of privilege, not one of right, and thus should be fought over, debated, and decided by the legislature.

What the Attorney General did today stood our system of government on its head. The General Assembly said no, but he said yes, essentially daring them to overrule him. This is all inherently dangerous to our system of ordered liberty. When the executive branch chooses to resort to unilateral actions, especially actions that are in direct contravention to the will of the legislature, it is skating on very, very thin constitutional ice. Taking this kind of a short cut undermines our system of government and makes a mockery of the concept of separation of powers and free elections. Why bother electing representatives to the General Assembly when the executive branch can simply override their decisions at will?

It’s also not fair to the DREAMers. Those kids deserve to see legislation, passed by the General Assembly and signed by the Governor, giving them in-state tuition. They deserve to see their arguments fought for by legislators willing to do what’s right, even if it may not be popular, and they deserve to have the chance to convince all of Virginia that this is the right thing to do. By circumventing that process and taking the easy way out, Attorney General Herring is treating them like pawns in a tawdry political game, not like people. They deserve the respect and dignity of seeing their argument prevail in the legislature, not just used as a gimmick to generate some headlines. And if this interpretation gets overturned by the courts, which may very well happen, those kids are worse off than they were before, because the issue is now going to be heavily partisan, too.

It’s not right when the President uses Executive Orders to thwart the will of Congress. It’s not right when the Attorney General redefines words to thwart the will of the General Assembly.

No matter how fair and necessary those ends may be, the ends do not justify the means.

This is pure bull crap, This is why americans need to hold on to their weapons. The American Government is not our friend but rather our owners. This is also what you get by voting for the same people over and over again. The lady that married the Illegal immigrant should be charged with harboring a fugitive.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

Those of us with family members who applied properly, worked thru the details, and achieved Citizenship by the letter of the law are rewarded then how?

This is disgusting.

Fucking ILLEGAL immigrants should not get the steam off any Americans shit, Let alone be rewarded because their parents are still here breaking the law.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> http://bearingdrift.com/2014/04/29/the-ends-dont-j
> ustify-the-means/

Did you feel that this was an unfair usurpation of power when Bob McDonnell said the same thing as Attorney General in 2007?

Also, as far as I can tell, Herring's guidance is a legal interpretation, not a mandate. Individual schools will still, i believe, be able to make the determination regarding eligibility for in-state tuition.

The Illegals can start at the back of the line, Just like everyone else. They are not special. the parents are Illegal, and so are they.

Rerun Wrote:
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> BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> >
> http://bearingdrift.com/2014/04/29/the-ends-dont-j
>
> > ustify-the-means/
>
> Did you feel that this was an unfair usurpation of
> power when Bob McDonnell said the same thing as
> Attorney General in 2007?
>
> Also, as far as I can tell, Herring's guidance is
> a legal interpretation, not a mandate. Individual
> schools will still, i believe, be able to make the
> determination regarding eligibility for in-state
> tuition.

He didn't. McDonnell's opinion was based on an individual being given Temporary Protective Status by federal government (through the federal Attorney General). That was a duly authorized program, first passed in 1990. Temporary Protective Status is a legal status.

Herring's opinion is based on the President's Executive Order implementing DACA, which relies on prosecutorial discretion, and can't give someone legal status. All he can do is defer their deportation order, which is far different.

thisisajokeright Wrote:
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> Whatever dude, someone who is much more
> well-versed in the law than people like you
> decided it's fair to give kids, brought here when
> they didn't have the cognitive ability to make
> their own life-changing decisions, in-state
> tuition. Haters gonna hate!
>
> And if caring for people in the same manner Jesus
> would have makes me despicable, then fine. I'm
> happy you think that, though I personally don't
> give a fuck what you, or people like you, think of
> me.

First of all, the "law" is generally objective and "fair" is completely subjective and they don't necessarily correspond. Is it fair that I have to pay more taxes because someone came to this country illegally? Common sense says no.

Second, you're comparing yourself to Jesus? Sound like you have an Obama sized ego! Funny but I missed that verse when Jesus dictated that people pay higher taxes to fund the college education of illegal immigrants.

to go f'yourself, you sanctimonious twit. Who cares what you blabber about Hesus, anyway?

Gawd, what a troll.

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> -------------------------------------------------->
> He didn't. McDonnell's opinion was based on an
> individual being given Temporary Protective Status
> by federal government (through the federal
> Attorney General). That was a duly authorized
> program, first passed in 1990. Temporary
> Protective Status is a legal status.
>
> Herring's opinion is based on the President's
> Executive Order implementing DACA, which relies on
> prosecutorial discretion, and can't give someone
> legal status. All he can do is defer their
> deportation order, which is far different.

I'm not a lawyer, but that sure seems like a nit. I'm sure lawyers will have a field day arguing this distinction. Meanwhile, people's lives hang in the balance.

To the poster who asserts that lower in state tuition does not reflect a subsidy, you are flat out wrong and confusing eligibility requiremets (domicile in Virginia, one significant element often is the payment of taxes on income earned in the Commonwealth) with the reasons behind the policy. In the case of UVa and William and Mary, it is folly to think that rewarding taxpayers is the reason for their relatively low tuition; very little taxpayer support goes to those schools (UVa would be far better off financially if the Commonwealth permitted the school to go private as they could normalize tuition to actual costs and gain considerable freedom from public constraints; University of Michigan, a similar school in competitiveness and prestige is in the same situation and would like to go private as well).

Clearly in-state tuition is a subsidy. Given the massive infrastructure and administrative costs at most universities, the ins-state tuition at UVa, Va Tech, W & M doesn't even begin to cover the actual total costs. The decrement reflects a subsidy. And the reason for the subsidy is clear - it is designed to keep and attract human capital to the Commonwealth. Virginia Tech gives Virginia a return of this subsidy, and no school does more to create a productive and educated middle class in Northern Virginia (although GMU and JMU do well too).

Again, if an entity extends a subsidy, we would expect a return on the investment (or if not, a sound economic or logical reason why). And Tough's point about Herring's liberal decision, being well, tough, is largely irrelevant. One would expect Herring to be well versed in the economic and policy issues behind his decision - it is folly to pretend he is not in the political arena. I doubt someone with a mediocre legal education has the kind of intellectual depth to explicate those reasons (yes, my own education vastly dissimilar to his and I am not impressed with Herring), so it is not unreasonable to expect pundits such as "Tough" to explain the economic and policy benefits of Herring's decision on their own. One might have to wait a while for any kind of intelligent response, however.

Virginia is quickly turning into the "Peoples Republic" of Virginia. Look at MoCo... FFX County will look like it in 5 years.

missing the economic issue Wrote:
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> Again, if an entity extends a subsidy, we would
> expect a return on the investment (or if not, a
> sound economic or logical reason why). And
> Tough's point about Herring's liberal decision,
> being well, tough, is largely irrelevant. One
> would expect Herring to be well versed in the
> economic and policy issues behind his decision -
> it is folly to pretend he is not in the political
> arena. I doubt someone with a mediocre legal
> education has the kind of intellectual depth to
> explicate those reasons (yes, my own education
> vastly dissimilar to his and I am not impressed
> with Herring), so it is not unreasonable to expect
> pundits such as "Tough" to explain the economic
> and policy benefits of Herring's decision on their
> own. One might have to wait a while for any kind
> of intelligent response, however.

"One might have to wait a while for any kind of intelligent response, however."

Indeed, one might.

missing the economic issue Wrote:
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> To the poster who asserts that lower in state
> tuition does not reflect a subsidy, you are flat
> out wrong and confusing eligibility requiremets
> (domicile in Virginia, one significant element
> often is the payment of taxes on income earned in
> the Commonwealth) with the reasons behind the
> policy. In the case of UVa and William and Mary,
> it is folly to think that rewarding taxpayers is
> the reason for their relatively low tuition; very
> little taxpayer support goes to those schools (UVa
> would be far better off financially if the
> Commonwealth permitted the school to go private as
> they could normalize tuition to actual costs and
> gain considerable freedom from public constraints;
> University of Michigan, a similar school in
> competitiveness and prestige is in the same
> situation and would like to go private as well).
>
>
> Clearly in-state tuition is a subsidy. Given the
> massive infrastructure and administrative costs at
> most universities, the ins-state tuition at UVa,
> Va Tech, W & M doesn't even begin to cover the
> actual total costs. The decrement reflects a
> subsidy. And the reason for the subsidy is clear
> - it is designed to keep and attract human capital
> to the Commonwealth. Virginia Tech gives Virginia
> a return of this subsidy, and no school does more
> to create a productive and educated middle class
> in Northern Virginia (although GMU and JMU do well
> too).
>
> Again, if an entity extends a subsidy, we would
> expect a return on the investment (or if not, a
> sound economic or logical reason why). And
> Tough's point about Herring's liberal decision,
> being well, tough, is largely irrelevant. One
> would expect Herring to be well versed in the
> economic and policy issues behind his decision -
> it is folly to pretend he is not in the political
> arena. I doubt someone with a mediocre legal
> education has the kind of intellectual depth to
> explicate those reasons (yes, my own education
> vastly dissimilar to his and I am not impressed
> with Herring), so it is not unreasonable to expect
> pundits such as "Tough" to explain the economic
> and policy benefits of Herring's decision on their
> own. One might have to wait a while for any kind
> of intelligent response, however.


W&M received $42.6 million in state funding for FY 2013. The second largest source behind student tuition/fees/auxiliary services and the largest outside source.

UVA gives its as about $8,500 per in-state student and about the same in terms of relative contribution.

And if you thought about it, then you'd realize that your subsidy theory makes little sense otherwise. Unless there was significant state funding, then who would be providing this "subsidy" designed to "to keep and attract human capital to the Commonwealth?" The students themselves who provide the majority of revenue? The school out of its endowments/donors? You're arguing against your own point.

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> There is no work in many CA countries. People lack
> resources for adequate education and other things.
> Those who come here to the US often send a large
> part of the money they earn back home to their
> families.
>
> Also, why ask why, what bills are you talking
> about? I'm confused as to why you are under the
> assumption that every foreigner who is here
> without papers works under the table and doesn't
> pay taxes when I literally just spelled it out for
> you.

This is 100% bullshit and even if it wasn't, that does entitle any of them to come into the United States and ignore our laws. It's OUR country, NOT THEIRs!
Their countries are shitholes because THEY MADE THEM THAT WAY!

Herring: Children of illegal immigrants eligible for in-state tuition
http://www.insidenova.com/news/loudoun/herring-children-of-illegal-immigrants-eligible-for-in-state-tuition/article_34418e2c-22ba-5b48-b7d8-871ac1fe9260.html

Some immigrant students who were brought to the country as children can qualify for in-state tuition to Virginia colleges and universities, Attorney General Mark Herring (D) announced Tuesday.

In a letter sent to the State Council of Higher Education in Virginia, the presidents of Virginia's colleges and universities, and the chancellor of the Virginia Community College system, Herring advised that, under current state law, Virginia students who are lawfully present in the United States under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program qualify for in-state tuition, provided they meet Virginia's domicile requirements.

Herring concluded that state law allows these students, often called “DREAMers,” to qualify for in-state tuition rates, which are often more than half the cost of out of state tuition.

“These DREAMers are already Virginians in some very important ways. In most cases they were raised here, they graduated from Virginia schools, and they have known no home but Virginia,” Herring said in a prepared statement. “They might be the valedictorian or salutatorian of their high school, but because they were brought here as children many years ago, an affordable education remains out of their reach. Instead of punishing and placing limits on these smart, talented, hard-working young people, Virginia should extend them an opportunity for an affordable education. It's what the law requires, it makes economic sense for Virginia, and it's the right thing to do.”

In order to qualify for in-state tuition, these students will have to satisfy several requirements, including being approved for DACA status and gaining admission into a Virginia college or university. (View the full list of requirements here.) As of December 2013, about 8,100 young people in Virginia have had their applications for DACA approved.

Herring’s announcement gained mixed reviews from Republicans, with House Speaker William Howell (R-28) and others calling it another move by Herring to ignore the laws put in place by the General Assembly. Herring thrust Virginia into the national spotlight just two weeks after he was sworn in when he announced he would not defend the commonwealth’s ban on same sex marriage.

“We are deeply concerned by the Attorney General's actions today and what appears to be a continued willingness to ignore and circumvent the duly-adopted laws of the Commonwealth,” Howell said of Herring’s advisement on in-state tuition.

But Del. Tom Rust (R-87), who chairs the House Higher Education Subcommittee, sent a statement in support of Herring’s actions. The longtime delegate carried legislation in the last two General Assembly sessions aimed at allowing immigrant students who entered the country as children to qualify for in-state tuition. Both the bills, HB1525 in 2013 and HB747 this year, did not make it out of the House Appropriations Committee.

“Most of these young people have been raised in Virginia, attend Virginia schools, and only know Virginia as their home,” Rust said. “They deserve the opportunity to participate in our world class institutions of public higher education and realize their ambitions, just like my children and grandchildren were able to do.”
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Herring should be removed from office. How dare he reverse something we the voters decided? Oh I forgot, he's a puppet of 0bama and putz Harry Reid.

To the liberals, this is all about buying votes.

Registered Voters Wrote:
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> Herring should be removed from office. How dare he
> reverse something we the voters decided? Oh I
> forgot, he's a puppet of 0bama and putz Harry
> Reid.
>
> To the liberals, this is all about buying votes.
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well they graduated from schools in virginia