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VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Concerned about VASAP ()
Date: December 21, 2008 03:50PM

I have my first random drug screen for the VASAP class in two days. My intake counselor gave me what she called a "30 day window" because I indicated that I smoked marijuana 5 days before my court date. (essentially she gave me 30 days to get clean). I have been clean for around 35 days... I have read that THC can stay in the body for up to around 45 days for heavy smokers (which I was). My questions are as follows: What kind of test is given? Is it a simple strip test done on the spot? What are the ramifications if I fail because there are trace amounts in my system? Is it safe to bet that even if there is a small amount in my system I will pass because it will indicate that i've quit?

Any answers to these questions will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: December 21, 2008 03:58PM

It depends a lot on your body make-up; THC stays in the fat, so the leaner you are, the less it lingers.

Depending on how often you smoke, it should be gone by then. If there is any residue, the concentrations would be low enough to at least prove you hadn't smoked in the past 30 days.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: dflkjds ()
Date: December 21, 2008 04:20PM

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Been There ()
Date: December 21, 2008 04:25PM

It is not a strip test - they are sealed, signed, and sent to a lab. They screen for alcohol and most of the common drugs.

Be sure to tell them any prescription meds you are taking as well (painkillers or benzo's etc) - they will make you bring in a pill bottle if you piss hot on any script meds to establish that they are legit.

There ARE thresholds used for the tests (e.g. above x concentration for a positive hit), I wouldnt worry too much about getting violated on the 1st test since you were upfront about toking before the court date. You will probably get tested EVERY time you have a meeting with your case manager, so he/she will be able to see you were above-board. Just dont think that you are in the clear after the 1st test - part of the probation that goes with ASAP is to be alcohol and drug free while you are in the VASAP program, and they WILL violate you. You have to pay the 400 bucks and start the class all over again, and you will be referred back to court (you might have to serve any suspended jail time, and good luck getting a restricted license).

Good luck with the process...the class aint that bad.

And oh yeah - you are charged 25 bucks for each test.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Concerned about VASAP ()
Date: December 21, 2008 04:50PM

Thank you for all the helpful information. I am taking this very seriously and realize the errors of my ways and hope to change for the better after completing the program.

P.S.- dflkjds read something else if you have a problem with citizens who have made mistakes and are legitimately worried about their wellbeing and future.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: bus driver ()
Date: December 21, 2008 07:28PM

I heard that the drug test that detects the bad stuff for the longest is the one that tests hair.

But it's expensive so they don't do it under normal "random" conditions.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: December 21, 2008 10:04PM

If this test shows any THC, they'll test you again and again until it comes up clean, and if it never comes up clean or they think it has taken way too long for it to stop showing, then they'll violate you and send you back to court.

Most of the people working at VASAP are former drug users so they know all about this stuff. Since you were honest in the first place, they probably expect you to fail the first one and then show clean on subsequent tests.

If you are really worried, drink lots of water all day and piss as often as you can the day of the test. That way whatever you piss into the cup will only have been in your kidneys and bladder for a short while, and will have less time to accumulate traces of drugs. But I wouldn't worry. Unless you are morbidly obese, you've probably been clean for a week or two by now.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Maple St Res ()
Date: December 22, 2008 12:00AM

question, what are u in the class for possession of weed or alcohol?

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Maple St Res ()
Date: December 22, 2008 12:06AM

and how often do u get tested for mj when u r in for a reckless driving ticket

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Eastsider ()
Date: December 22, 2008 12:09AM

LOL at "piss hot"


Been There Wrote:
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> Be sure to tell them any prescription meds you are
> taking as well (painkillers or benzo's etc) - they
> will make you bring in a pill bottle if you piss
> hot on any script meds to establish that they are
> legit.
>



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2008 12:09AM by Eastsider.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: BOBisdumb ()
Date: December 22, 2008 07:17AM

Bob Wrote:
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> If this test shows any THC, they'll test you again
> and again until it comes up clean, and if it never
> comes up clean or they think it has taken way too
> long for it to stop showing, then they'll violate
> you and send you back to court.
>
> Most of the people working at VASAP are former
> drug users so they know all about this stuff.
> Since you were honest in the first place, they
> probably expect you to fail the first one and then
> show clean on subsequent tests.
>
> If you are really worried, drink lots of water all
> day and piss as often as you can the day of the
> test. That way whatever you piss into the cup
> will only have been in your kidneys and bladder
> for a short while, and will have less time to
> accumulate traces of drugs. But I wouldn't worry.
> Unless you are morbidly obese, you've probably
> been clean for a week or two by now.



Don't listen to BoB, the village idiot!


If you drink nothing but water right before you go in, they will violate you for giving a watered down/adulturated urine. In their eyes (and the courts) it's the same thing as a dirty urine. Any one time use of a drug will stay in your system 2 to 3 days, unless you are a chronic user/addict. In that case, it could take four to six weeks to get out of your system. One hit of weed or snort of coke; you're good in three to five days; that's on the safe side. Weekend of smoking and snorting; expect up to 10 days for that shit to get out. Smoke weed every day; 6 weeks just to be safe, and make sure you work out and go running and drink lots of water up until a day or two before the test.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: December 22, 2008 08:19AM

BOBisdumb Wrote:
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>
> Don't listen to BoB, the village idiot!
>
>
> If you drink nothing but water right before you go
> in, they will violate you for giving a watered
> down/adulturated urine. In their eyes (and the
> courts) it's the same thing as a dirty urine. Any
> one time use of a drug will stay in your system 2
> to 3 days, unless you are a chronic user/addict.
> In that case, it could take four to six weeks to
> get out of your system. One hit of weed or snort
> of coke; you're good in three to five days; that's
> on the safe side. Weekend of smoking and snorting;
> expect up to 10 days for that shit to get out.
> Smoke weed every day; 6 weeks just to be safe, and
> make sure you work out and go running and drink
> lots of water up until a day or two before the
> test.


You're a moron. If you drink water, it's coming out urine, not "watered down/adulterated". I've been to ASAP and ADS and did that every time, and never had any problems whatsoever. I even smoked two nights before an ADS class because I thought I had 3 days and not 2, and I just drank water all day at work and pissed before leaving work and drank a quart of water and went to the class and pissed clean.

Nice try at trolling, though.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Concerned about VASAP ()
Date: December 22, 2008 10:20AM

Maple St Res- I have to go through ASAP because of an alcohol related offense. It is my impression that although it was not drug related, everyone enrolled in the ASAP program has to submit to one or more random Drug/Alcohol Urine test, as well as a Breathylizer. I hope this answers your question.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Concerned about VASAP ()
Date: December 22, 2008 10:26AM

I went out last night and bought a home drug test that tests for 12 different drugs (although I was only worried about THC... the pharmacist told me it was the most accurate). I passed. I guess that will help calm my nerves before this test. I really appreciate everyones input. I understand that it is a possiblilty that the threshhold may be higher on these test than on the one sent to the lab, however I bought the home test just to make me feel less anxious. I guess its all up to a higher power now.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: December 22, 2008 11:56AM

The ASAP tests are to check for people with addictions who can't quit. I knew a guy who was a true alcoholic. He would get up in the morning and drink a bottle of crown royal. At 11am he was on his way to the ABC store for more.

He failed ASAP three times because he got caught by the tests. The guy couldn't stop drinking. I like to drink, but it has its time and place.

As far as this county taxpayer is concerned, if you've stopped doing the offense and your attending classes then no problem. But if there is a repeat pattern when you know you are going to tested you need help.

Sounds to me like you should be fine.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: BOB=MORON ()
Date: December 22, 2008 11:14PM

Bob Wrote:
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> BOBisdumb Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Don't listen to BoB, the village idiot!
> >
> >
> > If you drink nothing but water right before you
> go
> > in, they will violate you for giving a watered
> > down/adulturated urine. In their eyes (and the
> > courts) it's the same thing as a dirty urine.
> Any
> > one time use of a drug will stay in your system
> 2
> > to 3 days, unless you are a chronic
> user/addict.
> > In that case, it could take four to six weeks
> to
> > get out of your system. One hit of weed or
> snort
> > of coke; you're good in three to five days;
> that's
> > on the safe side. Weekend of smoking and
> snorting;
> > expect up to 10 days for that shit to get out.
> > Smoke weed every day; 6 weeks just to be safe,
> and
> > make sure you work out and go running and drink
> > lots of water up until a day or two before the
> > test.
>
>
> You're a moron. If you drink water, it's coming
> out urine, not "watered down/adulterated". I've
> been to ASAP and ADS and did that every time, and
> never had any problems whatsoever. I even smoked
> two nights before an ADS class because I thought I
> had 3 days and not 2, and I just drank water all
> day at work and pissed before leaving work and
> drank a quart of water and went to the class and
> pissed clean.
>
> Nice try at trolling, though.


You are the true idiot; No wonder you are in and out of ASAP and ADS!

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: December 23, 2008 12:10AM

BOB=MORON Wrote:
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>
> You are the true idiot; No wonder you are in and
> out of ASAP and ADS!

I've only been once, when I was 19. The only reason they sent me to ADS was because I was underage and blew a .23 BAC. If it was under .20, I would have only had ASAP.

Nice try, again, though.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: BOB is the troll ()
Date: December 23, 2008 07:21AM

Bob Wrote:
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> BOBisdumb Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Don't listen to BoB, the village idiot!
> >
> >
> > If you drink nothing but water right before you
> go
> > in, they will violate you for giving a watered
> > down/adulturated urine. In their eyes (and the
> > courts) it's the same thing as a dirty urine.
> Any
> > one time use of a drug will stay in your system
> 2
> > to 3 days, unless you are a chronic
> user/addict.
> > In that case, it could take four to six weeks
> to
> > get out of your system. One hit of weed or
> snort
> > of coke; you're good in three to five days;
> that's
> > on the safe side. Weekend of smoking and
> snorting;
> > expect up to 10 days for that shit to get out.
> > Smoke weed every day; 6 weeks just to be safe,
> and
> > make sure you work out and go running and drink
> > lots of water up until a day or two before the
> > test.
>
>
> You're a moron. If you drink water, it's coming
> out urine, not "watered down/adulterated". I've
> been to ASAP and ADS and did that every time, and
> never had any problems whatsoever. I even smoked
> two nights before an ADS class because I thought I
> had 3 days and not 2, and I just drank water all
> day at work and pissed before leaving work and
> drank a quart of water and went to the class and
> pissed clean.
>
> Nice try at trolling, though.


You're the moron. If you give them a watered down urine, they will violate you. BOB=MORON is right. That shit about pissing two days after smoking and not getting in trouble on tests; How long ago was this? 20 years ago; I'm sure the tests are a little more advanced nowadays!

BTW, do you even know what trolling means? You are the epitome of one, and are way too old to be using that lingo. Grow the fuck up, you old crusty loser!

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Concerned about VASAP ()
Date: December 23, 2008 09:11PM

I went in to take my scheduled drug test today and passed. As it turns out, I was given a strip test that was given at the VASAP office. The person who gave me the test showed me the strip and noted that two lines (including the control) means a negative specimen. He also said that in the event of a positive result, or unreadable one, the specimen would be sent to a lab and further tested.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: random ()
Date: December 23, 2008 09:32PM

thats weird. are you in there for an alcohol related offense?

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: December 23, 2008 10:51PM

BOB is the troll Wrote:
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>> BTW, do you even know what trolling means? You are
> the epitome of one, and are way too old to be
> using that lingo. Grow the fuck up, you old crusty
> loser!


I'm too old to know what a troll is, but I have a feeling logging out of your account and using various fake names to post nonsense and to attack users is one definition of trolling.

But since you're young and stupid, I guess that's okay. We don't expect kids to have much sense these days.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: December 24, 2008 05:06AM

Bob Wrote:
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> I'm too old to know what a troll is, but I have a
> feeling logging out of your account and using
> various fake names to post nonsense and to attack
> users is one definition of trolling.
>
> But since you're young and stupid, I guess that's
> okay. We don't expect kids to have much sense
> these days.


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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Been There ()
Date: December 24, 2008 09:56PM

Congrats on the clean test. I have never heard of them using the strip tests - maybe they wont gig you for the $25!

I think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread, but they can and will breath test you at the classes - not just the habitual offenders (VA doesnt abjudicate habitual anymore, so there are not many left).

It is the instructors discretion when they do it - some do it at all of the classes (yes everyone in the class). Others do it for the first few weeks, and then only IF they think someone in the class has had an adult beverage (testing everyone keeps someone from saying that they were picked on)

I had two guys in my class blow hot over the 10 weeks - 1 the 1st week, one in week 8 (what an idiot).

Good luck with the class dude...there is some stuff in there about drugs too, and overall if you enter it with an open mind you will undoubtedly learn something.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: hensela90 ()
Date: February 19, 2009 08:07PM

How long does alcohol stay in the urine to be picked up on the urine sample?

I was actually admitted to ASAP ( the juvy one) for a pot offense, but I've been drinking a bit lately. I honestly don't know how long that stays in your system.

Thanks

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: February 20, 2009 04:51AM

It's about 2-3 days max.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: February 20, 2009 09:47AM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> It's about 2-3 days max.

A friend that went through said she was told that the test can detect alcohol up to 5 days. Whether or not that was a scare tactic or not, I don't know. She didn't drink at all to test the theory.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Maple St Res ()
Date: February 20, 2009 12:33PM

all they did was breathalyze us...and as long as u didnt drink the night before you were fine, alcohol leaves the system at a rate of about 1 drink an hour, so you can do the math and figure out how long it will take u.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: ha90 ()
Date: February 22, 2009 02:21PM

Did you go through it too? The SAFE program?
I just want to be sure.

I'm probably not going to drink anyway, but I'd just like to know.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Maple St Res ()
Date: February 22, 2009 04:33PM

no, not the safe program, just ASAP.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Bill ()
Date: April 24, 2013 08:33PM

Apparently they can see evidence of Alcohol consumption up to 80 hours afterward. It is due to something in your body that is produced when alcohol is broken down and it can be detected by the EtG urine test. I'm not sure if they do this test for ASAP or ADS because it is sensitive to false positives due to alcohol in cleaning products and hand sanitizers. This being said I would be mindful of drinking at all during ADS, to my knowledge they rarely enforce the drug tests for ASAP. If anyone knows more about the EtG test and whether or not they use it please let me know. Thanks.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Stabitha ()
Date: April 24, 2013 09:05PM

Uh Bill, this thread is 4 1/2 years old

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Joe shmo ()
Date: May 17, 2016 05:42PM

Does the vasap drug test test for suboxone?

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Jerry mandeer ()
Date: May 17, 2016 06:52PM

You're not very bright are you Joe

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: XUXy9 ()
Date: May 18, 2016 09:13AM

XUXy9

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: SarahFunk293 ()
Date: March 07, 2017 01:18PM

Does anyone know how many times they run EtG tests on you in the second party counseling programs? second DUI in a few years, so they're being strict. 20 second party counseling and 4 VASAP classes. Already been tested once and passed. Paid for everything upfront at the beginning, too.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Arthur Treasap ()
Date: March 07, 2017 01:52PM

SarahFunk293 Wrote:
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> Does anyone know how many times they run EtG tests
> on you in the second party counseling programs?
> second DUI in a few years, so they're being
> strict. 20 second party counseling and 4 VASAP
> classes. Already been tested once and passed. Paid
> for everything upfront at the beginning, too.

No idea but you can get some mighty fine fish and chips at Arthur Treacher's!

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: SarahFunk293 ()
Date: March 07, 2017 02:04PM

Excuse me

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: While I kiss the Sky ()
Date: March 07, 2017 02:17PM

It's ok if you act a little shy...YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT: Arthur Treacher's

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Sammysosa ()
Date: May 06, 2017 02:47PM

So I finished my 25 week asap class that I had to attend every week. I am going to pay off my ASAP dues with my cases. Can they call me back to test me even after I have paid them, turned all my AA slips, remained clean and finished all my requirements. When I called her she said my case closes in June but they are waiting for court to see if it will close on July instead.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: 420babe ()
Date: May 12, 2017 10:59AM

I just finished the classes, but only went for 10 weeks. It was a possession chatge rather than a DUI. Supposedly they piss test you twice. I had court in October and had my first piss test in March, still waiting on the last one.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: djfhdjfs ()
Date: July 17, 2017 10:44PM

how much notice do they give you for the drug test?

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Marie ()
Date: October 31, 2017 01:07AM

Does anyone know what kind of tests they use? I'd like to know if its sent to a lab or if its the strip. I'm a frequent smoker and would have a better chance at passing with the strip.

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Re: VASAP Testing Procedure
Posted by: Its the money ()
Date: October 31, 2017 05:34AM

Sammysosa Wrote:
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> So I finished my 25 week asap class that I had to
> attend every week. I am going to pay off my ASAP
> dues with my cases. Can they call me back to test
> me even after I have paid them, turned all my AA
> slips, remained clean and finished all my
> requirements. When I called her she said my case
> closes in June but they are waiting for court to
> see if it will close on July instead.


Its all about the $$$$$$. They look for ways to fuck you. If they can think of a way to fuck you, they will use it. They are there to violate you if they can so that you are compelled to pay for another 25 weeks.

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