In 2011 it was estimated that $205,000,000 was used to subsidize federal employees metro rides (per year).
Why cant they pay for their transportation like everyone else?

Doug Fischer Wrote:
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> In 2011 it was estimated that $205,000,000 was
> used to subsidize federal employees metro rides
> (per year).
> Why cant they pay for their transportation like
> everyone else?

Agree with you.

LOTS and lots of employers public AND private offer transportation subsidies for all employees. Your commute would be worse if all those people were in cars.

wyb Wrote:
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> LOTS and lots of employers public AND private
> offer transportation subsidies for all employees.
> Your commute would be worse if all those people
> were in cars.


Great. They can pay their own Metro fares then.

4hPKD Wrote:
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> wyb Wrote:
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> > LOTS and lots of employers public AND private
> > offer transportation subsidies for all
> employees.
> > Your commute would be worse if all those people
> > were in cars.
>
>
> Great. They can pay their own Metro fares then.

No, fuck no. My employer, a large corporation, subsidizes public transportation.

I would drive if Metro wasn't (almost) free.

No, No and No. There isn't a fed that doesn't make more than adequate money to pay their share.

WTF..!! Who gives people money to come to work ?? Private Sector.. That's their business. don't care.. Public Trough?? Hell No! Most Feds make over 100 K.!! GS 13's "Yes Boss" 2 Brain Cell Liberal Democrat Cubical dwellers make more then Captains of US Navy Nuke Aircraft Carriers..!!! That's SICK!!!


DAJAX

No way.. Wrote:
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> No, No and No. There isn't a fed that doesn't make
> more than adequate money to pay their share.


Then drive. I work from home. Fuck all of ya.

I will say that there is a horrible amount of fraud involved in the transit subsidy program. There are many employees that collect the subsidies and telecommute or travel over 50-75 percent of the days during a typical month. The subsidies become free use of the Metro for their family rather than commuting to work. There is little or no oversight of the program other than signing a statement to its accuracy. Sort of like how Hillary Clinton signed an affidavit that she turned over all of the government correspondence upon exiting the State Department.

Federal employment is little more than a welfare program. Only 10% of feds actually do any meaningful work.

Why do conservatives treat every fringe benefit provided to government employees as a gift, yet insist benefits provided to top level private sector employees are not?

because it saves money by keeping them off the roads. Its a bargain. Put all those workers on the road and it would cost a lot more.

UwyT3 Wrote:
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> Why do conservatives treat every fringe benefit
> provided to government employees as a gift, yet
> insist benefits provided to top level private
> sector employees are not?



The problem is that it is fraud and against the law! Why is it so difficult for you to understand?

It's a nog hauler. So of course you have to create some kind of benefit for the niggers to actually get on it. 90% of the fare subsidy crowd are nogs...and about a third of those are at least partially fraudulent - and the feds know this.

The transit subsidy is intended to get commuters out of cars and off the road. Government-operated parking facilities treat car and van pools favorably for the same reason.

Doug Fischer Wrote:
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> In 2011 it was estimated that $205,000,000 was
> used to subsidize federal employees metro rides

It's actually a lot cheaper to build more roads and bridges. If there's one thing this country is good at, it's maintaining our infrastructure. Plus we could always use more cars on the road. There's plenty of space out there for driving.

Enough Of The Gravy Train Wrote:
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> WTF..!! Who gives people money to come to work ??
> Private Sector.. That's their business. don't
> care.. Public Trough?? Hell No! Most Feds make
> over 100 K.!! GS 13's "Yes Boss" 2 Brain Cell
> Liberal Democrat Cubical dwellers make more then
> Captains of US Navy Nuke Aircraft Carriers..!!!
> That's SICK!!!
>
>
> DAJAX

You obviously have never worked for the Federal government.

Enough Of The Gravy Train Wrote:
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> Private Sector.. That's their business. don't
> care.. Public Trough??

Ummm, as if every defense and federal contractor isn't pricing that transportation benefit into their rates and charging it back to the govt. anyway....

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> The problem is that it is fraud and against the
> law!

Proof? It isn't fraud and against the law just because you say so. This has been a longstanding benefit provided to government employees.

HuKMM Wrote:
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> Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> >
> > The problem is that it is fraud and against the
> > law!
>
> Proof? It isn't fraud and against the law just
> because you say so. This has been a longstanding
> benefit provided to government employees.

It is just like the all Clinton Corruption all the time there must be a willingness to look into it. If there is a willingness to overlook it, no fraud will be found.

So in other words you are just blowing smoke up your ass.

No doubt as with other fringe benefits extended to public and private employees there are instances of fraudulent or criminal misuse. That does not mean the benefits themselves are either fraudulent or illegal.

wyb Wrote:
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> LOTS and lots of employers public AND private
> offer transportation subsidies for all employees.
> Your commute would be worse if all those people
> were in cars.

^^^^^ THis.

/thread.

>yet insist benefits provided to top level private sector employees are not?

As Said That's Private Business, if your a stockholder bitch. The Public Trough Is another Issue they get paid plenty.

>You obviously have never worked for the Federal government.

Like Hell..I did work for the Govt. and yes there were GS 5's back then.. The majority of anyone today who works, janitors, maintenance have been privatized. The rest have had job titles enhanced, as "Techs", "Specialists" other wordsmith bullshit games to the point that "Office Managers" are GS 13s making well over 100 K

Being a Fed Today is The Best Job the great majority of the People could ever get!

Go to work at 847 am sign in at 830..Turn Off Brain, go to coffee pot water cooler all day. Parroting .."How Bout Dem Skins" "How bout Dem Orioles" Web searching personal shopping on the internet, sitting in useless "meetings" talking in abstract.. Nothing at all of any real value.. Turning simple tasks into acts of Congress..Then leave at 445 signing out as 530.

So many dullards taking it in stride and a few hard working dedicated people trying to actually do something positive for the people and most of the time their efforts are squelched by the bureaucrats as they go thru their hoops getting the "Blessing " of this hack or that hack above them..

DAJAX I could be a nice guy and say give the FEDS a Raise if Trump Wins ! LOL

vkcpy Wrote:
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> So in other words you are just blowing smoke up
> your ass.
>
> No doubt as with other fringe benefits extended to
> public and private employees there are instances
> of fraudulent or criminal misuse. That does not
> mean the benefits themselves are either fraudulent
> or illegal.


So you are saying that a crime does not exist unless you are caught red handed? You sound like a very good and loyal Democrat!

That is what a conservitard would say. A more intelligent conservative would understand exactly what I said.

I use to work for the FONZ at the national zoo, (Fonz) were the carp jobs at the zoo like, parking lot attendant, gift shop, park cleaners, I worked at the merch wearhouse next to the Smithsonian workers, which to be honest was fat overweight people blacks and whites, getting these weekly fare cards with $20 amounts, selling them for $10 bucks cash to the other poor fools at themake great money and they get these benefits only to try to pr

Doug Fischer Wrote:
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> In 2011 it was estimated that $205,000,000 was
> used to subsidize federal employees metro rides
> (per year).
> Why cant they pay for their transportation like
> everyone else?


Lost my parking spot when I chose metro. I would have to pay for parking if I drove. Working for the US Government is really a scam. That other guy was right about 90% useless. I would put it around more around 70% useless.

Hell yes the taxpayers should cover their commuting cost, and $15 a day reimbursement for a good lunch and ice cream on the way home.

First We should CUT THEIR SALARIES 60% across the board so they are paid a reasonable salary.

vkcpy Wrote:
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> That is what a conservitard would say. A more
> intelligent conservative would understand exactly
> what I said.

vkcpy Wrote:
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> So in other words you are just blowing smoke up
> your ass.
>
> No doubt as with other fringe benefits extended to
> public and private employees there are instances
> of fraudulent or criminal misuse. That does not
> mean the benefits themselves are either fraudulent
> or illegal.

My original post was that there was a lot of fraud involved with the transit subsidy program and was in no way associated with the legitimacy of the program itself!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/01/2016 12:09AM by Inquisitive One.

Public transportation is for the unwashed.

It's a subsidy for metro. I pity you if you have to rely on that system. The government would not only have to pay for my trip, but kick in an extra $30 for my time and frustration if they want me to use that trap.

Doug Fischer Wrote:
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> In 2011 it was estimated that $205,000,000 was
> used to subsidize federal employees metro rides
> (per year).
> Why cant they pay for their transportation like
> everyone else?


If the federal government is going to DEMAND that all employees come downtown to work, then they should subsidize their commute or parking. When I was with EDS on a federal contract, we told the agency that the work we were doing could be done at our offices in Herndon. They insisted we be "on site", so in return they paid for our commuting fees. I lived in Manassas at the time so they paid for monthly VRE pass. Blame it on inefficient government agencies. I don't know of any private employer that charges its employees to park in their garage or lot. Unless the federal government moves most of its operations out of DC ( which it should ), they need to subsidize commuters since all the parking is privately owned.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/01/2016 08:01AM by LetsRock.

LetsRock Wrote:
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> Doug Fischer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In 2011 it was estimated that $205,000,000 was
> > used to subsidize federal employees metro rides
> > (per year).
> > Why cant they pay for their transportation like
> > everyone else?
>
>
> If the federal government is going to DEMAND that
> all employees come downtown to work, then they
> should subsidize their commute or parking. When
> I was with EDS on a federal contract, we told the
> agency that the work we were doing could be done
> at our offices in Herndon. They insisted we be "on
> site", so in return they paid for our commuting
> fees. I lived in Manassas at the time so they
> paid for monthly VRE pass. Blame it on
> inefficient government agencies.

That is the agency's prerogative and is entirely appropriate. However, the original point is that there are employees telecommuting while collecting the transit subsidy too.

Inquisitive One Wrote:
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> LetsRock Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Doug Fischer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > In 2011 it was estimated that $205,000,000
> was
> > > used to subsidize federal employees metro
> rides
> > > (per year).
> > > Why cant they pay for their transportation
> like
> > > everyone else?
> >
> >
> > If the federal government is going to DEMAND
> that
> > all employees come downtown to work, then they
> > should subsidize their commute or parking.
> When
> > I was with EDS on a federal contract, we told
> the
> > agency that the work we were doing could be
> done
> > at our offices in Herndon. They insisted we be
> "on
> > site", so in return they paid for our commuting
> > fees. I lived in Manassas at the time so they
> > paid for monthly VRE pass. Blame it on
> > inefficient government agencies.
>
> That is the agency's prerogative and is entirely
> appropriate. However, the original point is that
> there are employees telecommuting while collecting
> the transit subsidy too.


That is fraud and should be prosecuted.

Inquisitive One wrote
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> That is the agency's prerogative and is entirely
> appropriate. However, the original point is that
> there are employees telecommuting while collecting
> the transit subsidy too.

A long time ago they caught people selling their subsidized metro cards for cash, but the system changed years ago to curb fraud and abuse. The benefits now get added directly to a smartcard and unused funds expire at the end of every month. Therefore there's no reason to collect the benefit, and then telecommute. The subsidy gets returned to your employer if you don't use it. And if you take your smartcard at the beginning of the month and sell it, you'll have to get a new one before next month, re-register it with your employer and re-enroll, etc.

This wouldn't stop someone who never uses metro from receiving the benefit and permanently selling their smart trip card, but who would trust buying a smart trip card for a lot of money with no gaurantee that it will work for more than a month?

I'm not saying fraud doesn't happen, i'm sure it does, but they've made that difficult to happen unless it's on a really small scale like lending your kid your card to use on a weekend, etc.

LetsRock Wrote:
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> I don't know of any private employer that charges its employees to
> park in their garage or lot.

every university in the district and many private office buildings. charge parking to their employees...

145 a month here... still cheaper(including wear and tear and depreciation), safer and more convenient than metro

Doug Fischer Wrote:
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> In 2011 it was estimated that $205,000,000 was
> used to subsidize federal employees metro rides
> (per year).
> Why cant they pay for their transportation like
> everyone else?


Vote YES on the meals tax. Problem solved.