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School bus stop-arm cameras halted in Fairfax County
Posted by:
Fox News
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Date: October 21, 2015 09:48PM
School bus stop-arm cameras halted in Fairfax County
http://wtop.com/virginia/2015/10/school-bus-stop-arm-cameras-halted-in-va/
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Cameras on school buses designed to catch drivers who illegally pass stopped buses have a flaw in Virginia causing ticket programs to come to a grinding halt, according to an official advisory opinion from the commonwealth’s attorney general.
The opinion sent to Albermarle County attorney Oct. 2 has led the City of Falls Church to put its own program on hold. The programs ticket drivers who pass school buses while they are stopped to drop children off or pick them up.
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Attorney General Mark Herring writes in the opinion that state law allowing the stop arm cameras does not allow citations for the violations to be delivered through the mail. Instead, drivers accused of violating the law who are caught by the cameras in jurisdictions that have implemented them must be served with citations by a law enforcement officer in person.
The opinion finds that red-light camera programs in Virginia are legal because the General Assembly included wording in that law allowing tickets to be sent through the mail.
In a statement, Falls Church Police Chief Mary Gavin says she hopes the legislature will add that wording to the school bus stop-arm camera law during the General Assembly session this winter to allow the program to continue.
Falls Church says no new citations have been issued since Oct. 2.
Arlington County added its own school bus stop-arm cameras this school year.
Stop-arm camera programs were first authorized by the General Assembly in 2011.
The systems work by automatically recording possible violators when a bus stop arm is activated. That video of possible violators is sent from the contractor responsible for the cameras to the police department where an officer can sign off on a ticket that is then sent through the mail.
Although the video enforcement is no longer in place, it remains illegal to pass a school bus that is stopped to pick up or drop off students.
Below is the opinion sent to Albermarle County:
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/21/2015 09:49PM by Fox News.
http://wtop.com/virginia/2015/10/school-bus-stop-arm-cameras-halted-in-va/
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Cameras on school buses designed to catch drivers who illegally pass stopped buses have a flaw in Virginia causing ticket programs to come to a grinding halt, according to an official advisory opinion from the commonwealth’s attorney general.
The opinion sent to Albermarle County attorney Oct. 2 has led the City of Falls Church to put its own program on hold. The programs ticket drivers who pass school buses while they are stopped to drop children off or pick them up.
Related Stories
School bus cameras have netted more than $78,000 in fines
NEWS
School bus cameras to catch violators in Virginia
NEWS
The difference school bus cameras make, by the numbers
LOCAL
Attorney General Mark Herring writes in the opinion that state law allowing the stop arm cameras does not allow citations for the violations to be delivered through the mail. Instead, drivers accused of violating the law who are caught by the cameras in jurisdictions that have implemented them must be served with citations by a law enforcement officer in person.
The opinion finds that red-light camera programs in Virginia are legal because the General Assembly included wording in that law allowing tickets to be sent through the mail.
In a statement, Falls Church Police Chief Mary Gavin says she hopes the legislature will add that wording to the school bus stop-arm camera law during the General Assembly session this winter to allow the program to continue.
Falls Church says no new citations have been issued since Oct. 2.
Arlington County added its own school bus stop-arm cameras this school year.
Stop-arm camera programs were first authorized by the General Assembly in 2011.
The systems work by automatically recording possible violators when a bus stop arm is activated. That video of possible violators is sent from the contractor responsible for the cameras to the police department where an officer can sign off on a ticket that is then sent through the mail.
Although the video enforcement is no longer in place, it remains illegal to pass a school bus that is stopped to pick up or drop off students.
Below is the opinion sent to Albermarle County:
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/21/2015 09:49PM by Fox News.
Re: School bus stop-arm cameras halted in Fairfax County
Posted by:
Leggie Strative
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Date: October 21, 2015 10:59PM
Maybe while they are rewording this law they could add in the text somewhere: "authorized launch of a tactical EMP device at suspect vehicle..."
Not a sermon, just a thought.
Not a sermon, just a thought.
Re: School bus stop-arm cameras halted in Fairfax County
Posted by:
Strange...
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Date: October 21, 2015 11:31PM
I never knew Fairfax County used cameras on school buses to issue tickets. Nothing in the WTOP story says anything about Fairfax County. DO you have a link or any proof that Fairfax County had such a program?
If not...OP is just a cock sucker.
If not...OP is just a cock sucker.
Re: School bus stop-arm cameras halted in Fairfax County
Posted by:
K7Enp
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Date: October 22, 2015 12:22AM
while i think internet IP enabled camera stream or photo tickets are a hack job on usa citizens to fund corrupt gov. and also buy the equipment that helps corrupt goverment from overseas ...
passing a stopped schoolbus with lights flashing is HIGHLY unusual and anyone caught on camera doing it ... that merits investigation
and why is how serious and or audacious it is and also how rare it is
by all means do not jail but do have the person report to the magistrate for an expositor explination immediately
passing a stopped schoolbus with lights flashing is HIGHLY unusual and anyone caught on camera doing it ... that merits investigation
and why is how serious and or audacious it is and also how rare it is
by all means do not jail but do have the person report to the magistrate for an expositor explination immediately
Posted by:
chuckhoffmann
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Date: October 22, 2015 02:37AM
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2015 02:34PM by chuckhoffmann.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2015 02:34PM by chuckhoffmann.
Re: School bus stop-arm cameras halted in Fairfax County
Posted by:
Bill.N.
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Date: October 22, 2015 06:44AM
chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> The biggest problem I can see with this program is
> that it looks like it's more of a revenue
> generator than a legitimate law enforcement tool.
This.
When it comes to anything smacking of reckless driving, the goal should always be to try and catch the person who actually was driving and then take steps to make it less likely they will repeat the behavior. Reducing it to simply a way to collect some money from the guy who owns the car, or more accurately the license plates, makes it far less effective, especially when the driver won't pay the ticket anyways. Issuing a John Doe warrant and having an officer show up at the door with a ticket and a picture showing the driver's face, and then REQUIRING the driver to show up for trial, as they would for a reckless charge would have far more impact.
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> The biggest problem I can see with this program is
> that it looks like it's more of a revenue
> generator than a legitimate law enforcement tool.
This.
When it comes to anything smacking of reckless driving, the goal should always be to try and catch the person who actually was driving and then take steps to make it less likely they will repeat the behavior. Reducing it to simply a way to collect some money from the guy who owns the car, or more accurately the license plates, makes it far less effective, especially when the driver won't pay the ticket anyways. Issuing a John Doe warrant and having an officer show up at the door with a ticket and a picture showing the driver's face, and then REQUIRING the driver to show up for trial, as they would for a reckless charge would have far more impact.
Re: School bus stop-arm cameras halted in Fairfax County
Posted by:
c6pvN
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Date: October 22, 2015 07:10AM
chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> The biggest problem I can see with this program is
> that it looks like it's more of a revenue
> generator than a legitimate law enforcement tool.
>
> Passing a school bus in Virginia is statutorily
> defined as reckless driving by § 46.2-859, which
> is wholly appropriate considering that there's a
> chance that some little kid could wind up as
> roadkill because of some dickhead in a hurry.
>
> Reckless driving in the Commonwealth is a pretty
> serious misdemeanor; you can be fined up to $2500
> and do up to a year in your local ADC.
> Additionally, they slap 6 naughty points on your
> license and in particularly egregious cases the
> judge will straight-up suspend your license.
>
> The enabling legislation that includes the video
> camera monitoring provision (§ 46.2-844) makes
> passing a stopped school a civil offense rather
> than a criminal one and imposes a $250 civil
> penalty. Further, the law specifically states that
> if you're charged under § 46.2-844 you cannot be
> charged under § 46.2-859, so you're subject to a
> much lesser financial hit and no risk of jail
> time.
>
> Adding video cameras to school buses to catch
> people who pass stopped school buses is a fine
> idea, but hiring private companies to do it and
> giving them a chunk of the revenue under a
> neutered version of the law is a shit one.
>
> See
> http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapt
> er8/section46.2-844/ and
> http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapt
> er8/section46.2-859/
I agree. Im more interested in the crime than the fine in this case. I am opposed to criminal charges brought by camera unless there is pristine chain of evidence protocol, clear driver id (not just the car) and somehow a human witness to face in court. Not likely these can be met.
Passing a school bus with lights on is one of the most serious offenses a driver can commit. It should be prosecuted as a crime not just a fine. Authorities feel that a civil fine is more easily enforceable, which is true if you ignore constitutional protections...
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> The biggest problem I can see with this program is
> that it looks like it's more of a revenue
> generator than a legitimate law enforcement tool.
>
> Passing a school bus in Virginia is statutorily
> defined as reckless driving by § 46.2-859, which
> is wholly appropriate considering that there's a
> chance that some little kid could wind up as
> roadkill because of some dickhead in a hurry.
>
> Reckless driving in the Commonwealth is a pretty
> serious misdemeanor; you can be fined up to $2500
> and do up to a year in your local ADC.
> Additionally, they slap 6 naughty points on your
> license and in particularly egregious cases the
> judge will straight-up suspend your license.
>
> The enabling legislation that includes the video
> camera monitoring provision (§ 46.2-844) makes
> passing a stopped school a civil offense rather
> than a criminal one and imposes a $250 civil
> penalty. Further, the law specifically states that
> if you're charged under § 46.2-844 you cannot be
> charged under § 46.2-859, so you're subject to a
> much lesser financial hit and no risk of jail
> time.
>
> Adding video cameras to school buses to catch
> people who pass stopped school buses is a fine
> idea, but hiring private companies to do it and
> giving them a chunk of the revenue under a
> neutered version of the law is a shit one.
>
> See
> http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapt
> er8/section46.2-844/ and
> http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapt
> er8/section46.2-859/
I agree. Im more interested in the crime than the fine in this case. I am opposed to criminal charges brought by camera unless there is pristine chain of evidence protocol, clear driver id (not just the car) and somehow a human witness to face in court. Not likely these can be met.
Passing a school bus with lights on is one of the most serious offenses a driver can commit. It should be prosecuted as a crime not just a fine. Authorities feel that a civil fine is more easily enforceable, which is true if you ignore constitutional protections...
Posted by:
chuckhoffmann
()
Date: October 22, 2015 09:03AM
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2015 02:36PM by chuckhoffmann.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2015 02:36PM by chuckhoffmann.