Fairfax officials: New mall drives up property values in Springfield
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fairfax-officials-new-mall-drives-up-property-values-in-springfield/2015/02/04/97f57f3a-ac99-11e4-ad71-7b9eba0f87d6_story.html

Springfield Town Center is raising property values significantly in the Springfield area. What do you guys make of this? I think this is great for Fairfax and will help Springfield change its reputation.

Are all the residents still immigrants from Central America and the crappy parts of Asia and East Africa? Temporary bump. A shopping center doesn't matter when average white people can't send their kids to the local public school.

The area will still repel people who don't want to have neighbors that have 15 people living in a single family home and all the problems that come with that.

Por favor, no increasa mi renta por esto!!!

Springfield is the central to all of Northern Virginia and is booming baby, booming!!!

Its a little surreal to see the mall parking lot so full, and busy restaurants. Went from a dead mall to a busy mall.

Interesting that FFX County is both in charge of declaring raised property values, while benefiting from the tax revenues, even though the malls only been open a few months. Call me cynical.

kev Wrote:
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> Its a little surreal to see the mall parking lot
> so full, and busy restaurants. Went from a dead
> mall to a busy mall.
>
> Interesting that FFX County is both in charge of
> declaring raised property values, while benefiting
> from the tax revenues, even though the malls only
> been open a few months. Call me cynical.


If you go inside and walk around, then you'll see that the lot being full is about where the full ends. The vast majority of people seem to be either in a couple of the restaurants or the theater. The rest of the mall is fairly dead.

Also, if you look more closely you'll see that the lot is full mostly where the restaurant entrances are. I've had to go there a number of times over the last few months picking up and returning stuff ordered online. The JCP side usually isn't. The Target side usually isn't. The parking garage on either side usually isn't. Go into the Target or Dicks or Macys or the central mall and you can almost count the number of customers on your fingers. I'd say not even up to the levels that it used to be back when the mall was busy years before prior to the renovation.

Wait until that Dave n busters opens boyyyy. Springfields gonna be poppin...

The spot that's got it all.

This is NOVA. There's something new to do here every week it seems...

Everyone likes to go to the new place. Everyone likes to be the FIRST to go to the new place. Everyone likes to be the FIRST to go to the new place, stick your cock in the new place or rub your pussy against the new place...and then take a selfie doing those acts and post it on social-media.

There is NOTHING unique at Springfield Mall (sorry, nothing says "I just moved here 5 minutes ago!" like saying Springfield Town Center). There is NOTHING that you can get there that you can't order off the internet and have at your door tomorrow. Oh sure, the brick and mortar is all new and shiny and they have new restaurants but, it's not special.

Oh look! Valet parking?!?!?! What will they fucking think of next?!?!!? What is this, 1972? Wake the fuck up! A mall is a commercial distraction designed to separate you from as much of your money as possible without you even realizing it. And to be fair, so is the internet...but why go out, burn gas, have some SoCal loco scrape your sled in the parking lot and then struggle to find someone that speaks English to serve you while you're there? My retail consumables orders are placed before you even back your car out of the driveway, you fucking mopes.

This is a lot of sturm and drang that signifies nothing...in 6 months, the undesirable elements will have overrun the Mall as before and the lily whites will have retreated back to Tysons...and the Internet.

Sorry shit place living people but Springfield is booming!!!! You're free to visit.

Disclaimer: I have real estate interests in Springfield.

Zero

FKxwh Wrote:
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> If you go inside and walk around, then you'll see
> that the lot being full is about where the full
> ends. The vast majority of people seem to be
> either in a couple of the restaurants or the
> theater. The rest of the mall is fairly dead.
>
> Also, if you look more closely you'll see that the
> lot is full mostly where the restaurant entrances
> are. I've had to go there a number of times over
> the last few months picking up and returning stuff
> ordered online. The JCP side usually isn't. The
> Target side usually isn't. The parking garage on
> either side usually isn't. Go into the Target or
> Dicks or Macys or the central mall and you can
> almost count the number of customers on your
> fingers. I'd say not even up to the levels that
> it used to be back when the mall was busy years
> before prior to the renovation.


This is accurate.

According to the article, the property values for "new commercial properties," increased, not home values.

The restaurants are booming, (90 minute wait for Yard House, WTF???) but as others have said, the stores are dead. Plenty of parking in the Macy's garage.

Tevbw Wrote:
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> FKxwh Wrote:
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> > If you go inside and walk around, then you'll
> see
> > that the lot being full is about where the full
> > ends. The vast majority of people seem to be
> > either in a couple of the restaurants or the
> > theater. The rest of the mall is fairly dead.
> >
> > Also, if you look more closely you'll see that
> the
> > lot is full mostly where the restaurant
> entrances
> > are. I've had to go there a number of times
> over
> > the last few months picking up and returning
> stuff
> > ordered online. The JCP side usually isn't.
> The
> > Target side usually isn't. The parking garage
> on
> > either side usually isn't. Go into the Target
> or
> > Dicks or Macys or the central mall and you can
> > almost count the number of customers on your
> > fingers. I'd say not even up to the levels
> that
> > it used to be back when the mall was busy years
> > before prior to the renovation.
>
>
> This is accurate.


-1

All that is wrong. The Target has 2 separate entrances the lower entrance parking is ALWAYS full since that is where the groceries and everyday items are. The Macys has 3 entrances the lower one which is always full as well because of mens jewelry and cosmetics and the middle one is parking for the new RECLINING MOVIE THEATER which is ALWAYS packed. In the JCP side the beauty salon entrance and the lower level entrance is ALWAYS full as well because that is where shoes women and mens clothing are. This is coming from a 25 year old woman who LOVES to shop.

Dumbshits Wrote:
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> According to the article, the property values for
> "new commercial properties," increased, not home
> values.
>
> The restaurants are booming, (90 minute wait for
> Yard House, WTF???) but as others have said, the
> stores are dead. Plenty of parking in the Macy's
> garage.


Did you ever take an economics or real estate class? Besides all homes within 5 min radius being close and accessible to the metro (location) now they have a new mall (improved clientele) and more businesses will want to do business in Springfield which means that more people will want to move closeby thus increased home values.

to dumbshit Wrote:
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> Did you ever take an economics or real estate
> class? Besides all homes within 5 min radius being
> close and accessible to the metro (location) now
> they have a new mall (improved clientele) and more
> businesses will want to do business in Springfield
> which means that more people will want to move
> closeby thus increased home values.


If I lived near Springfield Town(e) Center I would sell now. 10,000 new housing units are planned there, which will be the end of resales of the 20-year-old and older housing stock.

You can't polish a turd and call it a diamond. Springfield has and will always be a small town consisting of strip malls, motels and roads designed to lead you away. You can call it a Town Center or whatever but the it's still just a renovated mall. And malls are on the decline. Housing values might increase like everywhere else but 2008 should have taught most the lesson "what goes up must come down".
There was a time when families bought a house not as an investment but a home.

I own property in springfield and I ain't selling shit. You can't go wrong with Springfield. It will rise or weather or bounce back from anything you van throw at it. Its also rental heaven.

springfield invester Wrote:
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> I own property in springfield and I ain't selling
> shit. You can't go wrong with Springfield. It will
> rise or weather or bounce back from anything you
> van throw at it. Its also rental heaven.

Could I interest you in a couple of beanie babies?

Dauphine's Steak House Wrote:
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> You can't polish a turd and call it a diamond.
> Springfield has and will always be a small town
> consisting of strip malls, motels and roads
> designed to lead you away. You can call it a Town
> Center or whatever but the it's still just a
> renovated mall. And malls are on the decline.
> Housing values might increase like everywhere else
> but 2008 should have taught most the lesson "what
> goes up must come down".
> There was a time when families bought a house not
> as an investment but a home.
Springfield is big and has many parts. Location is mostly what matters in real estate. Last I checked every city in Fairfax Co. has a strip mall around every corner. What motels are you talking about? There are 3 marriotts, a Hilton, a Holiday Inn all within 5 minutes of Springfield Town Center. Keep on hating but the only turd I see here is you. And your lesson applies to ALL of real estate dumbshit

To Dumber Shit Wrote:
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> to dumbshit Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Did you ever take an economics or real estate
> > class? Besides all homes within 5 min radius
> being
> > close and accessible to the metro (location)
> now
> > they have a new mall (improved clientele) and
> more
> > businesses will want to do business in
> Springfield
> > which means that more people will want to move
> > closeby thus increased home values.
>
>
> If I lived near Springfield Town(e) Center I would
> sell now. 10,000 new housing units are planned
> there, which will be the end of resales of the
> 20-year-old and older housing stock.

Are you stupid? the housing units are condos/apartments. Everyone knows houses are more in demand and easier to sell overall.

The property itself is worth a lot. Look what happens in areas of Fairfax where houses are old and property is valuable. You don't have any problem selling! People may decide to tear down or renovate after they buy, but they want the property so will pay a lot for it.

A half acre would go for 400k easy around the mall. Probably more.

springfield invester Wrote:
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> Its also rental heaven.

And that's all I need to know.

Even in my neighborhood, it's very obvious which houses are occupied by renters and which are occupied by owners. It's not renters in and of themselves that drive properties down. It's that they as a group simply do not maintain their dwellings to the standard that owners do. Therefore, when it comes time to sell a home in a neighborhood with renters, you have a property that is surrounded by other properties that are not well kept and it hurts pricing. People don't want to own a property around other improperly maintained properties. Also renters are not interested in the overall mid to long term view of the neighborhood.

Great.Falls.Denizen Wrote:
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> springfield invester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Its also rental heaven.
>
> And that's all I need to know.
>
> Even in my neighborhood, it's very obvious which
> houses are occupied by renters and which are
> occupied by owners. It's not renters in and of
> themselves that drive properties down. It's that
> they as a group simply do not maintain their
> dwellings to the standard that owners do.
> Therefore, when it comes time to sell a home in a
> neighborhood with renters, you have a property
> that is surrounded by other properties that are
> not well kept and it hurts pricing. People don't
> want to own a property around other improperly
> maintained properties. Also renters are not
> interested in the overall mid to long term view of
> the neighborhood.

With current rates and virtually no return on savings, Springfield is a great place to invest and rent. To each his own but I haven't seen what you suggest. Its very expensive to rent a home in Springfield. That means high deposits. Ive seen renters whom maintain properties better than the owners could ever dreamed of doing. And frankly thats the norm.

anybody that lives or rents in Springfield realizes how nice it is to be so centrally located in Northern Virginia and appreciate it as a result.

So they both take care of either their homes or rentals.

with current rates Wrote:
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>
> With current rates and virtually no return on
> savings, Springfield is a great place to invest
> and rent. To each his own but I haven't seen what
> you suggest. Its very expensive to rent a home in
> Springfield. That means high deposits. Ive seen
> renters whom maintain properties better than the
> owners could ever dreamed of doing. And frankly
> thats the norm.
>
> anybody that lives or rents in Springfield
> realizes how nice it is to be so centrally located
> in Northern Virginia and appreciate it as a
> result.
>
> So they both take care of either their homes or
> rentals.


BS. You can drive down any street in Springfield or most other areas and pick out the rentals. Both of those in my neighborhood are a mess and always have been. Springfield isn't some exclusive enclave. It's moderate income and rentals are at the mid- to lower end of the range and those renting mirror that.

I hear a lot of trolls on here who are attempting to belittle Springfield. I honestly have not seen any real examples of why Springfield is a bad area. There is virtually no crime, it is very easily accessible to transit, and more development is to come. Unless someone can tell me something that I am unaware of, I don't see any real examples of why Springfield is a bad place to live. Many of the examples I hear are "too diverse", which is quite honestly just empty rhetoric because all of Northern Virginia is diverse. To the trolls, quit your whining, if you think Springfield is a bad place to live, why don't you check out crime-ridden inner-beltway Prince George's County, or move down south to the Hampton roads area. Tell me what you think of those places. I am actually curious where the trolls live. For all I know they might live in PG county and are just trying to "roll" Springfield because they are jealous and don't want the FBI headquarters to move here.

You would rather buy a home in a market that isn't also a good market to rent that home in then? I would've thought having those options with your property was a good thing.

If the FBI moves to that shit hole PG County I feel sorry for the agents and their children. Northern Virginia has the schools to educate their children whom may be our agents of tomorrow,

Springfield is on the 95 and 495 and sits dividing Quantico from D.C.

Springfield is booming and classy. There is no way the agency themselves wants to move to PG over Springfield. Who would?

Springfield crushes PG Wrote:
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> Springfield is booming and classy.

Springfield is classy?

Holy shit. That's one of the most absurd things ever written in human history.

Classy? Springfield? LOL.

All the major plazas and malls along with housing and new retail development in Springfield is less than 15 years old and development is through the roof.

Hate on it all you want but its nice and booming. Plus its ten minutes from dc. How long does it take you haters?

very classy Wrote:
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> All the major plazas and malls along with housing
> and new retail development in Springfield is less
> than 15 years old and development is through the
> roof.
>
> Hate on it all you want but its nice and booming.
> Plus its ten minutes from dc. How long does it
> take you haters?


Wut? We're talking about Springfield VA, right?

Yeah springfield not some far flung commuter hell. Thats right.

yeah thats right Wrote:
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> Yeah springfield not some far flung commuter hell.
> Thats right.


Then you're way off.

Basically nothing that you said is true.

WHEN IS THE FBI GOING TO ANNOUNCE WHAT LOCATION THEY ARE RELOCATING TO?

WHEN WE ARE GOOD AND READY!

with current rates Wrote:
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> Great.Falls.Denizen Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > springfield invester Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Its also rental heaven.
> >
> > And that's all I need to know.
> >
> > Even in my neighborhood, it's very obvious
> which
> > houses are occupied by renters and which are
> > occupied by owners. It's not renters in and of
> > themselves that drive properties down. It's
> that
> > they as a group simply do not maintain their
> > dwellings to the standard that owners do.
> > Therefore, when it comes time to sell a home in
> a
> > neighborhood with renters, you have a property
> > that is surrounded by other properties that are
> > not well kept and it hurts pricing. People
> don't
> > want to own a property around other improperly
> > maintained properties. Also renters are not
> > interested in the overall mid to long term view
> of
> > the neighborhood.
>
> With current rates and virtually no return on
> savings, Springfield is a great place to invest
> and rent. To each his own but I haven't seen what
> you suggest. Its very expensive to rent a home in
> Springfield. That means high deposits. Ive seen
> renters whom maintain properties better than the
> owners could ever dreamed of doing. And frankly
> thats the norm.
>
> anybody that lives or rents in Springfield
> realizes how nice it is to be so centrally located
> in Northern Virginia and appreciate it as a
> result.
>
> So they both take care of either their homes or
> rentals.

Kings Park, North Springfield, all the shit 70's developments surrounding Springfield Mall...they're just chock full of renters. Specifically, renters who don't maintain the property, park 4 cars on the lawn because they're in violation of local housing laws which isn't enforced, sit on the stoop all night in the summertime.

Look, I can't help you...if you prefer to defend and or live-in a neighborhood full of ill-maintained rental properties then there's nothing I can say to deter you from your, "I like to roll in shit!" preferences. Good luck to you, maintain your property and encourage your neighbors to do the same. If you can get it cleaned up and presentable, its proximity to downtown makes it valuable.

But is the juice worth the squeezing?

Love me some Springfield Juice. Best Juice around. Springfield and Tysons will be cities while the rest of Fairfax does nothing but age. Thats the difference.

If Sprinfield is so up and coming then what does that say about the rest of the State, Country or even the World? Seven billion people and your economic concerns are a town where all the roads lead elsewhere. Shit's coming down and the beltway goes round.
Buyers beware

"With current rates and virtually no return on savings, Springfield is a great place to invest and rent. To each his own but I haven't seen what you suggest. Its very expensive to rent a home in Springfield. That means high deposits. Ive seen renters whom maintain properties better than the owners could ever dreamed of doing. And frankly thats the norm.

anybody that lives or rents in Springfield realizes how nice it is to be so centrally located in Northern Virginia and appreciate it as a result.

So they both take care of either their homes or rentals."


This. I live in Springfield (okay, West Springfield). We have renters across the street (and in other parts of the neighborhood). The renters across from us were very happy to get the place and are hoping to stay for at least 3 years (they got a 3 year lease and were VERY happy to get it). The reason? They want their daughter to attend the schools here and they love this neighborhood.

I also know a bit about the neighborhoods closer to the mall because I have students there. Yes, there are immigrants. They are hard working people and pretty tight in their neighborhood. I would not say these are horrible people. They might be in manual labor, but they are trying to get ahead and care about their children getting ahead. Many of those kids are going to find work at the mall. It's a win-win in my opinion.

I also get my hair cut at a salon in that area. They have recently done a total face lift on the strip mall where the salon is located. I don't really see how the mall has done anything but positive so far. I think they made some good choices in getting more service oriented retail in the mall as well (LA Fitness, the restaurants, the coming Dave and Busters, etc.). There is some vision there.

I don't get the haters either. I am pretty happy to live here and I think the mall is a great asset. I'm about to go down there and look for a new dress today (which I need for an event next week).

"Its very expensive to rent a home in Springfield."

+1000

You can sing the praises of a neighborhood you'd refuse to live in all you want All Good but you comparing someone renting a home in West Springfield and the Springfield we're talking about is not helpful to this discussion.

West Springfield is a whole other planet from Springfield. No one with options would throw a child they value into the schools around that "town center", including you.

Friday night at Springfield Mall. By the way, it's still a mall, not a town center.

Little stores were empty. Kiosks had zero customers. Expect them to disappear soon.

Big stores had some customers, but certainly not busy.

Restaurants were busy. Movie theater was busy.

Like Fair Oaks, surface parking near the entrances was full, garages were empty.

i can't go to the shopping center near me

obama fx co gov wont allow it

where are they getting the funds to open home depot and build shoppign malls ?

$9 trillion + $3.5 trillion most asked for ?

All good, no downside Wrote:
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> "With current rates and virtually no return on
> savings, Springfield is a great place to invest
> and rent. To each his own but I haven't seen what
> you suggest. Its very expensive to rent a home in
> Springfield. That means high deposits. Ive seen
> renters whom maintain properties better than the
> owners could ever dreamed of doing. And frankly
> thats the norm.
>
> anybody that lives or rents in Springfield
> realizes how nice it is to be so centrally located
> in Northern Virginia and appreciate it as a
> result.
>
> So they both take care of either their homes or
> rentals."
>
>
> This. I live in Springfield (okay, West
> Springfield). We have renters across the street
> (and in other parts of the neighborhood). The
> renters across from us were very happy to get the
> place and are hoping to stay for at least 3 years
> (they got a 3 year lease and were VERY happy to
> get it). The reason? They want their daughter to
> attend the schools here and they love this
> neighborhood.
>
> I also know a bit about the neighborhoods closer
> to the mall because I have students there. Yes,
> there are immigrants. They are hard working
> people and pretty tight in their neighborhood. I
> would not say these are horrible people. They
> might be in manual labor, but they are trying to
> get ahead and care about their children getting
> ahead. Many of those kids are going to find work
> at the mall. It's a win-win in my opinion.
>
> I also get my hair cut at a salon in that area.
> They have recently done a total face lift on the
> strip mall where the salon is located. I don't
> really see how the mall has done anything but
> positive so far. I think they made some good
> choices in getting more service oriented retail in
> the mall as well (LA Fitness, the restaurants, the
> coming Dave and Busters, etc.). There is some
> vision there.
>
> I don't get the haters either. I am pretty happy
> to live here and I think the mall is a great
> asset. I'm about to go down there and look for a
> new dress today (which I need for an event next
> week).

I wouldn't call those "immigrant communities members of central Springfield. Those are more like members of West Springfield. They're on backlick road and that's your neck of the woods. West Springfield is old, depressing and filled with white trash.

Sorry but someone needs to put you in your place. Lets not try to create your own high horse where one clearly doesn't exist.

Didn't you guys have the nations most notorious high school prostitution ring managed by your high schoolers too? Great schools and great kids and great parents sure, yeah.

When I was in high school I went to West Springfield for two things, a place to party and have sex or drugs. lmao. So lets calm down trying to attach your next door immigrant community to the higher valued property surrounding the mall.

well thats funny Wrote:
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>
> Sorry but someone needs to put you in your place.
> Lets not try to create your own high horse where
> one clearly doesn't exist.
>


That's not a horse.

Maybe they'll finally get these projects off the ground, 9 years too late I might add!

* http://fcrevit.org/springfield/download/ULIReportMay2006.pdf

* http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/springfield/

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Those homes near the mall sure look nice!

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disgusting West Springfield, Look at all the overgrown weeds. Ewwww I would much rather be close to that luxurious mall, err town center

Although your little attempt to portray an old nieghborhood vs a new one was cute. Thats not even west springfield.

West springfield is traditionally the area around backlick from braddock to franconia.

Thats more of central springfield along the parkway.

west springfield > springfield Wrote:
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> Those homes near the mall sure look nice!


Love the car parked on the grass. Those are the beautiful Guatemalan aesthetics that will raise property values through the roof.

Big Time Investor Wrote:
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> > Cjx4vf8ivpUaeRgA!2e0
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> > Those homes near the mall sure look nice!



Someone needs to go through the whole hood with a edger and weed killer. I have seen 3rd world slums that look better.