So THIS is the October surprise? From the Washington Post of all places?

RICHMOND — The son of a former Virginia state senator has told federal investigators that U.S. Sen. Mark R. Warner discussed the possibility of several jobs, including a federal judgeship, for the senator’s daughter in an effort to dissuade him from quitting the evenly divided state Senate.

Warner was part of a string of high-powered Virginia Democrats who in early June pressed then-state senator Phillip P. Puckett not to go through with plans to give up his seat in the middle of a bitterly partisan battle over health care.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/warner-discussed-job-for-pucketts-daughter/2014/10/10/8fb21b3c-50b7-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html

The former governor of Alabama is in federal prison for somewhat similar bribery. This may be considered politics as usual in many places, but it is a federal felony to offer an inducement to a public official to take a certain action -- here to change his mind about resigning.

It looks like the feds have the goods on Warner and McAuliffe. If there is any hindrance by Holder or other top Justice Department officials, i.e., obstruction of justice, the statute of limitations will not have run out before the next president takes office.

"If you don't leave the Senate, your kid could be in line with a lifetime federal judgeship"

Not an explicit job offer, but how would you interpret that if it were said to you?

Laura Vozzella Wrote:
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> So THIS is the October surprise? From the
> Washington Post of all places?
>
> RICHMOND — The son of a former Virginia state
> senator has told federal investigators that U.S.
> Sen. Mark R. Warner discussed the possibility of
> several jobs, including a federal judgeship, for
> the senator’s daughter in an effort to dissuade
> him from quitting the evenly divided state
> Senate.
>
> Warner was part of a string of high-powered
> Virginia Democrats who in early June pressed
> then-state senator Phillip P. Puckett not to go
> through with plans to give up his seat in the
> middle of a bitterly partisan battle over health
> care.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-polit
> ics/warner-discussed-job-for-pucketts-daughter/201
> 4/10/10/8fb21b3c-50b7-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story
> .html

Well, perhaps, but it will have to wait until the FBI concludes its investigation and probable prosecution of Terry G. Kilgore (R-Scott) and other Republicans who actually did create a position for Puckett on the Tobacco Commission.

"A Warner spokesman acknowledged Friday that the conversation occurred, but he emphasized that the senator had made no explicit job offer." These words should not be hard to parse.

Okay, liberals, you can quit whining about Puckett and the GOP, now that your boys Warner and McAwful are implicated. And the Washington Post better be careful, or they're going to earn themselves an IRS audit.

Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.

This won't go anywhere and Warner will win again.

If this isn't turned into a Gillespie ad by the middle of next week, the GOP is crazy. Warner is running (appropriately) the ad of Gillespie as a lobbyist and the GOP now has a Washington Post headline they can use to paint Warner as just another corrupt, partisan politician. Classic.

Winning Warner Wrote:
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> This won't go anywhere and Warner will win again.


+1

http://bearingdrift.com/2014/10/09/body-language/

Now we know why Warner did such a poor job in the debate--he knew this was coming...........

Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, and more lies. Ten points down, they're getting gutter-level desperate. Republicans are the WORST that America has to offer. The crude, the ignorant, the irrational, the criminal. Fuck all of you, you worthless lying Republicans.

>All Republicans Suck

Read It and Weep Racist Goober.

Warner's going down, this is just the beginning. To hell with all Obama Care Democrats


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Just A Goober Crying Wrote:
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> Warner's going down, this is just the beginning.
> To hell with all Obama Care Democrats

More laughable stupid shit from the dumbest poster on the internet.

All Republicans Suck Wrote:
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> Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, and more lies. Ten points down,
> they're getting gutter-level desperate.
> Republicans are the WORST that America has to
> offer. The crude, the ignorant, the irrational,
> the criminal. Fuck all of you, you worthless
> lying Republicans.

Looks like you've touched nerve here. At least with the really dumb ones. I liked that "The crude, the ignorant, the irrational, the criminal." part. So true. These assfucks really do come from the very bottom of the barrel.

All Republicans Suck Wrote:
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> Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,
> lies, lies, lies, and more lies. Ten points down,
> they're getting gutter-level desperate.
> Republicans are the WORST that America has to
> offer. The crude, the ignorant, the irrational,
> the criminal. Fuck all of you, you worthless
> lying Republicans.

Those damn republicans at the Washington Post. Lolz


 
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wuuCv Wrote:
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> Those damn republicans at the Washington Post. Lolz

Good point. Should be "All Republicans Suck And Are Unimaginably Stupid." But I don't think all that will fit into the tiny "Your Name" box, you freaking ignorant asstard.

All Republicans Suck Wrote:
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> wuuCv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Those damn republicans at the Washington Post.
> Lolz
>
> Good point. Should be "All Republicans Suck And
> Are Unimaginably Stupid." But I don't think all
> that will fit into the tiny "Your Name" box, you
> freaking ignorant asstard.


LuLz

 
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Warner also discussed a private job with his company -CGI.

Illegal? Probably not. Unethical? Yes

reports Wrote:
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> Warner also discussed a private job with his
> company -CGI.
>
> Illegal? Probably not. Unethical? Yes


Actually, that would be illegal.

Prosecuted or not is the question.

It might be illegal if he offered the job. However, there is no evidence that he did. There is, however, certainly evidence that it was discussed.

questioner Wrote:
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> It might be illegal if he offered the job.
> However, there is no evidence that he did. There
> is, however, certainly evidence that it was
> discussed.


Don't think that an explicit job offer is required. More clear if so but not necessarily required. Not that this kind of horse-trading doesn't go on all the time.

There is ample evidence that all of you are empty-headed partisan assholes already bemoaning the fact that "Enron Ed" Gillespie is going to get his crooked ass kicked all the way into obscurity.

The entire Republican Party in Richmond engaged in this and secured control of the Senate through these undemocratic tactics all so poor people will continue to not be able to see a doctor if they are sick and need.

Disgusting vile despicable rat bastards have some nerve talking about this issue at all.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> The entire Republican Party in Richmond engaged in
> this and secured control of the Senate through
> these undemocratic tactics all so poor people will
> continue to not be able to see a doctor if they
> are sick and need.
>
> Disgusting vile despicable rat bastards have some
> nerve talking about this issue at all.


Appears that the entire Democratic party did the same.

TXPd3 Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The entire Republican Party in Richmond engaged
> in
> > this and secured control of the Senate through
> > these undemocratic tactics all so poor people
> will
> > continue to not be able to see a doctor if they
> > are sick and need.
> >
> > Disgusting vile despicable rat bastards have
> some
> > nerve talking about this issue at all.
>
>
> Appears that the entire Democratic party did the
> same.


Yeah, but the Dems were outbid by the Pugs. Only the winning bidders should go down.

outbid Wrote:
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> Yeah, but the Dems were outbid by the Pugs. Only
> the winning bidders should go down.

LOL! Nobody's "going dowm". The law -- just like the US Constitution -- doesn't mean what right-wing goober asswipes think it means.

"You can keep your doctor" "You can keep your health insurance plan"
President Obama shilling for Obama Care.

Now whats all that Goober ranting about Lies Lies Lies??

Thats right Lies! And Deception! And Mark Warner voted for Obama Care.. Dump him.

Shits just starting to hit the fan. Spittle will vent from the Dems lips with more lies and hate about the GOP.

But November is going to be a bitch fo yo asses Mo Fo's. Cuz The People aren't as Dumb are You think!

Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, li Wrote:
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> But November is going to be a bitch fo yo asses Mo
> Fo's. Cuz The People aren't as Dumb are You think!

They most definitely are that dumb if you are any example. Stupid turd-bot.

>They most definitely are that dumb

They were but NO Longer!

"Obama Care" has opened many wise eyes, as well as Obamas lousy handling of the trouble in the Middle East. With Mark Warners Blessing and Support!

Close you eyes and slide down that drain youz leftist Goober azzholes...

Nuff of yo Bullshit.

Fooled Um Twice Shame On You Wrote:
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> "Obama Care" has opened many wise eyes...

"Obamacare" one word, you simpleton douche. I know I'm talking every day to nothing but idiots, but Jesus, how fucking dumb can people be?

Hmmm...absolutely nothing has changed for me in terms of health care. Of course, like most Americans, I'm insured through my employer. Damn fine plan it is too!

Of the three people I know who buy their own insurance, each has made out better as the ACA has rolled out. Perhaps rightwingers are just bad negotiators, and can't bargain with their insurance companies or employers to keep their physicians and plans. Given the current dysfunction in Congress, this must clearly be the case.

Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, li Wrote:
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> "You can keep your doctor" "You can keep your
> health insurance plan"
> President Obama shilling for Obama Care.
>
> Now whats all that Goober ranting about Lies Lies
> Lies??
>
> Thats right Lies! And Deception! And Mark Warner
> voted for Obama Care.. Dump him.
>
> Shits just starting to hit the fan. Spittle will
> vent from the Dems lips with more lies and hate
> about the GOP.
>
> But November is going to be a bitch fo yo asses Mo
> Fo's. Cuz The People aren't as Dumb are You think!

Me Too With the BEST health Care Plan in the Country!

The Federal Government..

$25 co-pay, no in-net nonsense Wrote:
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> Hmmm...absolutely nothing has changed for me in
> terms of health care. Of course, like most
> Americans, I'm insured through my employer. Damn
> fine plan it is too!
>
> Of the three people I know who buy their own
> insurance, each has made out better as the ACA has
> rolled out. Perhaps rightwingers are just bad
> negotiators, and can't bargain with their
> insurance companies or employers to keep their
> physicians and plans. Given the current
> dysfunction in Congress, this must clearly be the
> case.
>


That's probably because you only know poor folks like you who are getting it for free. Those saying it has hurt more than helped has continued to grow across all groups including Democrats.



There is no negotiating dumbass. You pay the rate that's set by the company and approved by the state insurance board for that plan with whatever network it includes.

$25 co-pay, no in-net nonsense Wrote:
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> Hmmm...absolutely nothing has changed for me in
> terms of health care. Of course, like most
> Americans, I'm insured through my employer. Damn
> fine plan it is too!

Yeah, all the goober whining is over the small fraction of the individual market
(itself a small fraction of the overall market) who were trying to skate by with low-cost/low-coverage plans that carriers have been cancelling as unprofitable ever since PPACA first passed.

> Of the three people I know who buy their own
> insurance, each has made out better as the ACA has
> rolled out.

That's pretty much seen everywhere. The individual market before PPACA was so out of balance as to be a killing field for issuers. Now that they can't just rape people anymore, decent coverage at decent prices is far more common. Hooray for the exchanges!

Clueless Newbz Wrote:
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> That's probably because you only know poor folks
> like you who are getting it for free. Those
> saying it has hurt more than helped has continued
> to grow across all groups including Democrats.

It's an opinion poll, dumbass. Try dealing with the facts.

Jeeeesus! Wrote:
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> Clueless Newbz Wrote:
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> > That's probably because you only know poor
> folks
> > like you who are getting it for free. Those
> > saying it has hurt more than helped has
> continued
> > to grow across all groups including Democrats.
>
> It's an opinion poll, dumbass. Try dealing with
> the facts.


Those are facts.

Fact is that it sucks for most of those who were in the individual market. Substantially more expensive for lower levels of coverage and more restricted networks.

Fact is you have no clue and you're just repeating stupid talking point bullshit.

Those also are facts.

Clueless Newbz Wrote:
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> Those are facts. Fact is that it sucks for most
> of those who were in the individual market.
> Substantially more expensive for lower levels
> of coverage and more restricted networks. Fact
> is you have no clue and you're just repeating
> stupid talking point bullshit. Those also are facts.

Go hose yourself off, goober. The assholes getting burned here are those who thought they'd skate by with the cheapest and flimsiest coverage possible, secure in the knowledge that if anything bad ever did happen to them, they'd get the care they needed at someone else's expense. Why pay for what people will give you for free? Well, the party is over, asshole. Leeches and free-rider wannabes need no longer apply. Pay your own way, like the rest of us. We even give you subsidies if you can't handle that much of a load.

TLDR... the dems in Va. will never put a dem in jail. that's how they roll

>Well, the party is over, asshole. Leeches and free-rider wannabes

Partys Over?? Seys you?? Bullshit! the partys not over for the illegals you love and support so much you fucking Dem hack trying to get Votes for Democrats! The illegals pay dont they ? There the ones who are ruining the hospitol systems when they walk out and send people their fucking bill with addresses picked out of the phone book. Just keep on with your bullshit shilling for ObamaCrap

To hell with Obamacare, Democrats, and Mark Warner who gave the country this national nightmare.

Jeeeesus! Wrote:
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> Clueless Newbz Wrote:
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> > Those are facts. Fact is that it sucks for most
>
> > of those who were in the individual market.
> > Substantially more expensive for lower levels
> > of coverage and more restricted networks. Fact
> > is you have no clue and you're just repeating
> > stupid talking point bullshit. Those also are
> facts.
>
> Go hose yourself off, goober. The assholes
> getting burned here are those who thought they'd
> skate by with the cheapest and flimsiest coverage
> possible, secure in the knowledge that if anything
> bad ever did happen to them, they'd get the care
> they needed at someone else's expense. Why pay
> for what people will give you for free? Well, the
> party is over, asshole. Leeches and free-rider
> wannabes need no longer apply. Pay your own way,
> like the rest of us. We even give you subsidies
> if you can't handle that much of a load.


Same clueless bullshit.

The vast majority of the people who you characterize as skating didn't have insurance. And they still don't. And they'll still be riding for free.

I've been paying my way and had better insurance for much less cost. As did most everyone else who was in the individual market. The bulk of the individual insurance market were the self-employed, along with those between jobs or otherwise temporarily without employer-provided insurance, and some minor numbers of others. For the bulk of us there's nobody who would back-stop our medical bills. Which was kind of the point in buying insurance.

What was done to the individual health insurance market was about the equivalent as if they'd taken the individual auto insurance market and dumped in all of the uninsured drivers, those with DWIs, those with poor driving records, and other high-risk drivers all into the same pool. The normal drivers who were there prior to then pay higher rates to reflect the greater risk in the pool.

On top of that, they then require that everyone have full comprehensive coverage policies regardless what they drive, how many miles, etc., plus free car rental, paint protection, tire road protection and lifetime balance, windshield replacement, etc., etc., along with free oil changes, tire-rotation, and a lifetime maintenance plan.

Of course it's going to fucking cost a lot more to anyone who had a perfectly good policy previously.

The only people for which it's any kind of deal are the poor who had no insurance and those in the high-risk pools. The poor don't give a shit what it costs because they're not paying for it. The people who were in high-risk policies don't care because their risk premium and costs have been reduced. The rest of us in the pool pay for it.

A+
You told that like it is.

Clueless Newbz Wrote:
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> Same clueless bullshit.

No, bullshit-boy, it's the same plain and simple facts that doofus right-wing assfucks simply don't want to face up to. You can't be uninsured anymore and you can't be under-insured either. If you were meanwhile able as an individual to afford adequate coverage on your own before, you still can. Plans where coverage and premiums made sense against each other are not the ones that carriers have been terminating. More than eight million individuals have so far signed up for coverage on the exchanges. That's well more than half of the individual market. More will continue to use the exchanges as confidence grows and people become more aware of the tax credits that are available. The exchanges will in fact soon be the home of nearly the entire individual market. At the same time, some individual shoppers have been and will continue to be forming trade associations and other such groups, saving money by purchasing group coverage through those. With all your alleged difficulties, maybe you should look into that. Meanwhile, premium increases have been smaller than what had been anticipated from elimination of medical underwriting. Only smaller, newer carriers have had any issues with premiums. Companies with a history are doing fine with a number now talking about premium reductions in 2015. The bottom line here is that no matter how earnestly critics might hope for Obamacare to fail, and no matter how many flat-out lies they may tell about it, the system is up and running as planned. It is on firm footing to this point and gaining the sort of momentum that simply will not be reversed. You can start crying now.

True Good Way to Put It Wrote:
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> A+ You told that like it is.

He's a lying assfuck. I suspect that you're merely an ignorant assfuck, but it's the same thing in the end.

All this government corruption is risky for the people involved in it because sacrificial lambs are needed every day.

Mark Warner's son doesn't sound so bright, or maybe his dad yelled at him too much as a kid.

The point is that somebody eventually talks when pressed, but in Mark Warner's case nothing will come out of this because Obama loves Warner and he'll throw a cog in the wheel of justice to save him.

Obama himself has committed treason and murder and just keeps creating new scandals to the point where those in a position to do something get so confused they don't know where to begin.

Get used to the corruption people because it is increasing exponentially by those in power. Eventually, civil unrest over all these scandals could lead to Obama enacting NDAA martial law, and many other executive orders which give the government the authority to take over all of every citizens possessions and intern them in FEMA camps.

You say that is ridiculous? Then explain why all these executive orders were created by Obama. Why did he sign NDAA martial law in 2012? These orders and NDAA are specifically intended for US citizens not terrorists.

RdFox Wrote:
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> You say that is ridiculous? Then explain why all
> these executive orders were created by Obama. Why
> did he sign NDAA martial law in 2012? These orders
> and NDAA are specifically intended for US citizens
> not terrorists.

If he can create a FEMA Camp to keep you out of circulation, it will all have been worth it.

Jeeeesus! Wrote:
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> Clueless Newbz Wrote:
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> -----
> > Same clueless bullshit.
>
> No, bullshit-boy, it's the same plain and simple
> facts that doofus right-wing assfucks simply don't
> want to face up to. You can't be uninsured
> anymore and you can't be under-insured either. If
> you were meanwhile able as an individual to afford
> adequate coverage on your own before, you still
> can.

At a much higher cost for lower levels of coverage with relatively high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs.


> Plans where coverage and premiums made sense
> against each other are not the ones that carriers
> have been terminating.


Wrong. They can no longer offer ANY policies which do not meet specific, arbitrary inclusions of particular coverage and other specific administrative details having nothing at all to do with whether coverage and premiums made sense of whether they were good policies.

Also, some companies are no longer operating in the same areas to offer policies at all. Aetna for example no longer offers individual policies in VA. Anyone with a current policy no matter how good must move to those offered through the marketplace, to an off-marketplace limited-network arrangement that they have with Inova, or to some other off-market provider. All at substantially higher cost and reduced coverage levels.


> More than eight million
> individuals have so far signed up for coverage on
> the exchanges. That's well more than half of the
> individual market. More will continue to use the
> exchanges as confidence grows and people become
> more aware of the tax credits that are available.
> The exchanges will in fact soon be the home of
> nearly the entire individual market.


Yes, all of those who don't have to pay much of anything for it and who were in the high-risk pools have signed up. The rest of us are still in the market and now get to pay for them.

And if you haven't been keeping up, your number has been reduced by about a million now who either never paid or haven't been able to provide documentation to meet income or citizenship requirements.

Tax credits are scaled with income and are significant only for those with very low incomes and inexpensive policies. As a specific example, a single individual in VA making $30K/yr could receive a subsidy of up to a whopping $42.


> At the same
> time, some individual shoppers have been and will
> continue to be forming trade associations and
> other such groups, saving money by purchasing
> group coverage through those. With all your
> alleged difficulties, maybe you should look into
> that.

That's clearly not the case and never has been. If you'd actually ever been in the individual market, then you'd know that. In fact, most of those types of loose group arrangements now are disappearing because of the higher costs and the marketplaces displacing them.


> Meanwhile, premium increases have been
> smaller than what had been anticipated from
> elimination of medical underwriting. Only
> smaller, newer carriers have had any issues with
> premiums. Companies with a history are doing fine
> with a number now talking about premium reductions
> in 2015.

Rates of same-policy premium increases are not the bulk of the increase in costs. It's moving to the new compliant policies where the large jumps in costs come. And as far as premiums are concerned virtually none are looking at decreases.


> The bottom line here is that no matter
> how earnestly critics might hope for Obamacare to
> fail, and no matter how many flat-out lies they
> may tell about it, the system is up and running as
> planned. It is on firm footing to this point and
> gaining the sort of momentum that simply will not
> be reversed. You can start crying now.


Bottom line is that you don't know WTF you're talking about. You're just rattling off tired talking points and what you'd like to be the case to justify what you want to believe.

What's going to happen is that more and more people are going to be affected by this mess and you're going to hear a lot more crying as they are.

>Posted by: Jeeeesus! ()

>You can't be uninsured anymore and you can't be under-insured either
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BUT What about the 10 million + illegals that are in this country? Wheres their insurance??

There the ones dumping their bills on the medical care system and raising the costs.

You don't have a answer for that do you ObamaShill..

No..Sucker... Amesty is not a answer. Deportation is..As well as closing the border.

I would be happy to see a program for the illegals. as long as they would pay for it in some way ,at least some type of castastrophic insurance like many USED to have.
but the border must be Closed First

Clueless Newbz Wrote:
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> At a much higher cost for lower levels of coverage
> with relatively high deductibles and out-of-pocket
> costs.

Yes, the free-loader wannabes are out of business. Since you WILL get health care in an emergency, you WILL need to help pay for it. But if you could afford adequate coverage before, you still can. That's a simple fact. Solid plans are not disappearing. Premiums are stabilizing. The abused in the individual market -- which is again just five to seven percent of the overall market -- are in fact finding better coverage at better prices on the exchanges, whether you or FOX News wants to admit it or not.

> Wrong. They can no longer offer ANY policies
> which do not meet specific, arbitrary inclusions
> of particular coverage and other specific
> administrative details having nothing at all to do
> with whether coverage and premiums made sense of
> whether they were good policies.

Pretty dense, poser. Carriers began cancelling their thin, rip-off plans as soon as the PPACA ink was dry. They were grandfathered into legality for four more years, but issuers could not make material changes to the plans. That would make them new plans. As such, older plans became unprofitable. They also became cancelled. You tried to get an annual renewal and were told that the plan was no longer available, so pick a different one.

Carriers have not cancelled plans where premiums and coverages were in a profitable balance. You are simply shoveling horseshit, just as all on your side are quickly forced to do. It's pathetic.

> Also, some companies are no longer operating in
> the same areas to offer policies at all. Aetna
> for example no longer offers individual policies
> in VA.

That's been going on for how long? Is it since 2010, or is it for as long as health care insurance marketing has existed? Another good example of the desperation you have sunken into. Thanks for posting it.

> Anyone with a current policy no matter how
> good must move to those offered through the
> marketplace, to an off-marketplace limited-network
> arrangement that they have with Inova, or to some
> other off-market provider. All at substantially
> higher cost and reduced coverage levels.

LOL! In this mass of utter nonsense, you are intriguingly misusing terminology left and right. Any sale of insurance occurs within the marketplace. Currently, more than half of the individual marketplace is going on within the exchanges. That number will balloon to better than 95% in coming years, but it isn't there yet. Assuming however that carriers do not simply dump all their agents and become exchange-only operators, it will remain possible for individuals -- either as individuals or as trade groups and the like (sorry you aren't up on that: google it) -- to purchase directly from a carrier. Perhaps interestingly, millions among those who have been doing that recently have been purchasing plans that they could have obtained through an exchange, often at a lower cost. The system is new and people are not yet familiar with it. The minds of some have been polluted by phony right-wing propaganda. All that will be changing in the short-run.

> Yes, all of those who don't have to pay much of
> anything for it and who were in the high-risk
> pools have signed up. The rest of us are still in
> the market and now get to pay for them.

Everyone is in the market. The supposed "rest of you" have affordable options available on the exchanges and elsewhere. You just want the system to fail and so you knowingly make false statements about it, wandering right off the edge once you are challenged on those.

> And if you haven't been keeping up, your number
> has been reduced by about a million now who either
> never paid or haven't been able to provide
> documentation to meet income or citizenship
> requirements.

Overblown operational trivia from the margins. The simple fact is that the exchanges are taking over, and there will be no going back. There isn't a professional anywhere who denies that. It's just you and your lie-driving desperation.

> Tax credits are scaled with income and are
> significant only for those with very low incomes
> and inexpensive policies. As a specific example,
> a single individual in VA making $30K/yr could
> receive a subsidy of up to a whopping $42.

So, all else being equal, would you prefer that $42 be taken off the price of something, or that it not be? Put up all the petty sob stories you like. The simple fact is that as confidence in the exchanges and awareness of their cost and other advantages grows, the exchanges will be the home of very nearly all individual market transactions. Better get used to the idea.

> That's clearly not the case and never has been.
> If you'd actually ever been in the individual
> market, then you'd know that. In fact, most of
> those types of loose group arrangements now are
> disappearing because of the higher costs and the
> marketplaces displacing them.

LOL! As I said, google it. You are as far off base as can be.

> Rates of same-policy premium increases are not the
> bulk of the increase in costs. It's moving to the
> new compliant policies where the large jumps in
> costs come. And as far as premiums are concerned
> virtually none are looking at decreases.

The elimination of medical underwriting -- a flavor of the destructive pre-existing conditions thing -- is the most significant current driver of premium increases, and as noted above, only new and small carriers have actually had trouble dealing with that. They don't have scale and an underwriting history to guide them, so they have made some bad decisions. Larger older companies are not struggling. Many of them had expected worse, and are in fact looking at reduced rates next year as the result. Try keeping up or something.

> Bottom line is that you don't know WTF you're
> talking about.

Yes, actually I do, and with each passing post, you know that better and better. You have gotten in over your head and will soon be lying some more in a desperate attempt to save face.

> What's going to happen is that more and more
> people are going to be affected by this mess and
> you're going to hear a lot more crying as they are.

No, birdbrain. Everyone is already affected, and they have been since long before PPACA thankfully came along. Denials of claims, losses of coverage, unwarranted waiting periods, annual and lifetime claims limits, dependent limits, rapidly rising premiums and co-pays. These are just a few things with long histories that have touched everyone in one way or another. Many of the worst abuses of a predatory industry have now been outlawed. Progress toward further normalization of an out-of-balance market is underway. So for that matter is the process of clinical and technical integration, another step along the road to reducing over-utilization of medical services, thereby further driving down costs and premiums. Short-term, medium-term, and long-term, the systems so far set up under PPACA are in fact doing what they were designed to do. More changes and adaptations are coming of course, as experience may suggest them to us.

Which leads to the one actually honest complaint, which is uncertainty. There is yet a lot that we don't know. That's the way it is with things that are new. The ignorant and gutless simply sit and whine. The adept and sensible get the best fix they can on the facts as they actually are and then work with them as best they can. You would be among that first group.

We need to humanely ensure that every one of these newcomers to our country is treated fairly and purposefully as their cases work through the immigration system and the courts.

Providing housing, food, and healthcare in a community where they will be safe is the least we could do, while ensuring they do not disappear into the masses where they cannot be easily located.

I suggest we build this Immigrant Welcome Center at Guantanamo Bay.

The Wise Ones Know Wrote:
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> BUT What about the 10 million + illegals that are
> in this country? Wheres their insurance??

Many of them are covered at work.

> There the ones dumping their bills on the medical
> care system and raising the costs.

THEY'RE actually among the LAST to go to an emergency room. Because of their status issues, they seek to have absolutely as little to do with "the system" as possible. They don't go to the ER, they don't call police when they ought to, they don't file for income tax refunds. You rather plainly are not "wise" at all.

>

Posted by: Jeeeesus! (>The Wise Ones Know Wrote:
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> BUT What about the 10 million + illegals that are
> in this country? Wheres their insurance??

Many of them are covered at work.

> There the ones dumping their bills on the medical
> care system and raising the costs.

THEY'RE actually among the LAST to go to an emergency room. Because of their status issues, they seek to have absolutely as little to do with "the system" as possible. They don't go to the ER, they don't call police when they ought to, they don't file for income tax refunds. You rather plainly are not "wise" at all.
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You have not seen the costs in the medical system by illegals. It is huge. Or you dont want to admit it.

Jeeeesus! Wrote:
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> Clueless Newbz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > At a much higher cost for lower levels of
> coverage
> > with relatively high deductibles and
> out-of-pocket
> > costs.
>
> Yes, the free-loader wannabes are out of business.
> Since you WILL get health care in an emergency,
> you WILL need to help pay for it. But if you
> could afford adequate coverage before, you still
> can. That's a simple fact. Solid plans are not
> disappearing. Premiums are stabilizing. The
> abused in the individual market -- which is again
> just five to seven percent of the overall market
> -- are in fact finding better coverage at better
> prices on the exchanges, whether you or FOX News
> wants to admit it or not.


Back to the same talking point bs again? Just can't let that one go huh?

People who were *buying insurance* in the individual market were not the ones who were freeloading. They weren't even the primary target of the law. They already were *buying insurance.* The vast majority were the self-employed buying policies which were comparable to those offered by employer-provided plans through the exact same insurance companies. Contrary to popular talking point belief, they were not "crap policies." Coverage was equivalent to employer-provided plans, the primary difference was that they were somewhat more expensive without the benefit of discounted group rates. The only ones buying "crap policies" were those who couldn't afford anything more than catastrophic plans. Which btw still exist under Obamacare and still will be used. Very likely in greater numbers given the doubling of cost of the lowest "Bronze"-level plans versus the prior basic plans which were available.

So now you're trying to use the alternate definition of "affordable" to what someone can possibly afford? lol I can "afford" to buy a new BMW with a life-time maintenance plan. I don't need a new BMW. I don't need maternity care either or much of all of the rest of the benefits which were included in the compliant plans. They were designed as they are not to be health insurance but by policy advocates to deliver subsidized comprehensive healthcare to the poor. Great, they don't care what it costs. They get substantial subsidies to cover the cost. But that's caused costs to increase greatly for everyone including those of us who don't receive subsidies to pay for it.

Attempting to blow it off because the changes are only affecting a small part of the overall insurance market to this point doesn't mean that there aren't significant effects to those who depend on that market. They are not finding better coverage at better prices. They're finding far more expensive minimum plans with deductibles and out-of-pocket costs equal to those under prior high-deductible plans. This is very easy to see. All you need to do it to go look at the costs for roughly equivalent compliant versus non-compliant plans which still are published.


>
> > Wrong. They can no longer offer ANY policies
> > which do not meet specific, arbitrary
> inclusions
> > of particular coverage and other specific
> > administrative details having nothing at all to
> do
> > with whether coverage and premiums made sense
> of
> > whether they were good policies.
>
> Pretty dense, poser. Carriers began cancelling
> their thin, rip-off plans as soon as the PPACA ink
> was dry. They were grandfathered into legality
> for four more years, but issuers could not make
> material changes to the plans. That would make
> them new plans. As such, older plans became
> unprofitable. They also became cancelled. You
> tried to get an annual renewal and were told that
> the plan was no longer available, so pick a
> different one.
>
> Carriers have not cancelled plans where premiums
> and coverages were in a profitable balance. You
> are simply shoveling horseshit, just as all on
> your side are quickly forced to do. It's
> pathetic.


They have no choice but to cancel them because they do not meet the technical specifics for compliant plans under the law. It has nothing to do with whether they were profitable. If they weren't profitable, then they wouldn't have been offering them to begin with.


>
> > Also, some companies are no longer operating in
> > the same areas to offer policies at all. Aetna
> > for example no longer offers individual
> policies
> > in VA.
>
> That's been going on for how long? Is it since
> 2010, or is it for as long as health care
> insurance marketing has existed? Another good
> example of the desperation you have sunken into.
> Thanks for posting it.
>

They have stopped writing individual coverage specifically due to changes required under the law.


> > Anyone with a current policy no matter how
> > good must move to those offered through the
> > marketplace, to an off-marketplace
> limited-network
> > arrangement that they have with Inova, or to
> some
> > other off-market provider. All at
> substantially
> > higher cost and reduced coverage levels.
>
> LOL! In this mass of utter nonsense, you are
> intriguingly misusing terminology left and right.
> Any sale of insurance occurs within the
> marketplace...


The Federal and state marketplaces idiot. I'm using the term in exactly the same way that they do in characterizing Healthcare.gov as "The official site of Health Insurance Marketplace."


>
> > Yes, all of those who don't have to pay much of
> > anything for it and who were in the high-risk
> > pools have signed up. The rest of us are still
> in
> > the market and now get to pay for them.
>
> Everyone is in the market. The supposed "rest of
> you" have affordable options available on the
> exchanges and elsewhere. You just want the system
> to fail and so you knowingly make false statements
> about it, wandering right off the edge once you
> are challenged on those.
>


Uh, no. I need the system to work because I'm one of those people who have to actually use and pay for it versus, like you, just talk about it at some abstract, talking-point level.

It is not now "working" for the bulk of us who were in the individual market. Costs have roughly doubled for less coverage and in most cases far more restricted networks. It's a great deal for those who aren't paying for it. It's a great deal for those who were in high-risk pools previously. But the much larger number of the rest of us in that pool now are bearing the cost. The only reason that it was allowed to happen in the way that it did was that we have no big-money lobbying groups to write the law in the way that we want and to buy exemptions and exclusions as did larger businesses, unions, and other special interest groups.


> > And if you
haven't been keeping up, your number
> > has been reduced by about a million now who
> either
> > never paid or haven't been able to provide
> > documentation to meet income or citizenship
> > requirements.
>
> Overblown operational trivia from the margins.
> The simple fact is that the exchanges are taking
> over, and there will be no going back. There
> isn't a professional anywhere who denies that.
> It's just you and your lie-driving desperation.


Yeah, ~15% of your number dropping due to being essentially ineligible phantom signups is "trivia." lol Nobody questions that the exchanges are taking over. I could care less either way where I buy insurance. The primary complaints are regarding the costs and what you get for your money. Once again, your emphasis on policy-type talking point considerations like whether the exchanges are "winning" versus how this actually is working for those who have to use it reveals your real interest here.


>
> > Tax credits are scaled with income and are
> > significant only for those with very low
> incomes
> > and inexpensive policies. As a specific
> example,
> > a single individual in VA making $30K/yr could
> > receive a subsidy of up to a whopping $42.
>
> So, all else being equal, would you prefer that
> $42 be taken off the price of something, or that
> it not be? Put up all the petty sob stories you
> like. The simple fact is that as confidence in
> the exchanges and awareness of their cost and
> other advantages grows, the exchanges will be the
> home of very nearly all individual market
> transactions. Better get used to the idea.


As above. Nobody really cares where they buy it or who's "winning" the political battle other than idiots like you.

Other than for the relatively poor the subsidies are minor and scaled to income. Anyone making more than $45K/year gets zero. And all else isn't equal. Even at lower levels they don't make up for the large increases in costs for compliant plans.


>
> > That's clearly not the case and never has been.
>
> > If you'd actually ever been in the individual
> > market, then you'd know that. In fact, most of
> > those types of loose group arrangements now are
> > disappearing because of the higher costs and
> the
> > marketplaces displacing them.
>
> LOL! As I said, google it. You are as far off
> base as can be.


"Google it" - the cry of someone who doesn't know WTF they're talking about. lol

The loose group type plans that you're suggesting were a myth to begin with for the most part. If you understood how the insurance market works as far as state-based plan regulation and approval, then you'd understand a big part of the reason why. Where they did exist, most were relatively worthless marketing arrangements where they simply relabeled existing approved individual plans to offer them to a "group" associated with some entity which then received some minor referral revenue. Any discounts were trivial. Some others weren't actually insurance but the crappy limited-provider, pre-negotiated cost deals for a limited range of specific services. In almost all cases you could do better shopping around on your own.

What you'll find if you do "Google it" is that's just gotten worse now, not better. Not only are those above now mostly gone, but that's extended into small group providers, college policies for students, as well as those who had operated self-insured, directly negotiated networks with healthcare providers. As are larger employers who used similar arrangements for part-time/temporary/contracted employees.


>
> > Rates of same-policy premium increases are not
> the
> > bulk of the increase in costs. It's moving to
> the
> > new compliant policies where the large jumps in
> > costs come. And as far as premiums are
> concerned
> > virtually none are looking at decreases.
>
> The elimination of medical underwriting -- a
> flavor of the destructive pre-existing conditions
> thing -- is the most significant current driver of
> premium increases, and as noted above, only new
> and small carriers have actually had trouble
> dealing with that. They don't have scale and an
> underwriting history to guide them, so they have
> made some bad decisions. Larger older companies
> are not struggling. Many of them had expected
> worse, and are in fact looking at reduced rates
> next year as the result. Try keeping up or
> something.
>
> > Bottom line is that you don't know WTF you're
> > talking about.
>
> Yes, actually I do, and with each passing post,
> you know that better and better. You have gotten
> in over your head and will soon be lying some more
> in a desperate attempt to save face.
>
> > What's going to happen is that more and more
> > people are going to be affected by this mess
> and
> > you're going to hear a lot more crying as they
> are.
>
> No, birdbrain. Everyone is already affected, and
> they have been since long before PPACA thankfully
> came along. Denials of claims, losses of
> coverage, unwarranted waiting periods, annual and
> lifetime claims limits, dependent limits, rapidly
> rising premiums and co-pays. These are just a few
> things with long histories that have touched
> everyone in one way or another. Many of the worst
> abuses of a predatory industry have now been
> outlawed. Progress toward further normalization
> of an out-of-balance market is underway. So for
> that matter is the process of clinical and
> technical integration, another step along the road
> to reducing over-utilization of medical services,
> thereby further driving down costs and premiums.
> Short-term, medium-term, and long-term, the
> systems so far set up under PPACA are in fact
> doing what they were designed to do. More changes
> and adaptations are coming of course, as
> experience may suggest them to us.
>
> Which leads to the one actually honest complaint,
> which is uncertainty. There is yet a lot that we
> don't know. That's the way it is with things that
> are new. The ignorant and gutless simply sit and
> whine. The adept and sensible get the best fix
> they can on the facts as they actually are and
> then work with them as best they can. You would be
> among that first group.


You obviously do not know what you're talking about. Your lack of any actual experience in dealing with the individual market very clearly shows. Your only interest here is political which is apparent in all of your responses.

They are not releasing the new rates on the exchange until after the election. Wonder why?

This week's polls show that the mark Warner Scandal is hurting him, though maybe not enough to kill his election.

Laura Vozzella Wrote:
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> So THIS is the October surprise? From the
> Washington Post of all places?
>
> RICHMOND — The son of a former Virginia state
> senator has told federal investigators that U.S.
> Sen. Mark R. Warner discussed the possibility of
> several jobs, including a federal judgeship, for
> the senator’s daughter in an effort to dissuade
> him from quitting the evenly divided state
> Senate.
>
> Warner was part of a string of high-powered
> Virginia Democrats who in early June pressed
> then-state senator Phillip P. Puckett not to go
> through with plans to give up his seat in the
> middle of a bitterly partisan battle over health
> care.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-polit
> ics/warner-discussed-job-for-pucketts-daughter/201
> 4/10/10/8fb21b3c-50b7-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story
> .html

shut the fuck up

fx co gov is full of nepatism, illegal raises, and multiple pay going to the same person: for like 30 years of corruption

one guy might have almost done it? fx co gov are all doing it in spades now

shut the fuck up

One story in the Post (surprisingly) and thats it?

Wow. This turd of a story needs legs to walk and, right now, it is rolling uphill like a paraplegic. Way to go there, Tea Party!

Closed Matter Wrote:
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> Wow. This turd of a story needs legs to walk and,
> right now, it is rolling uphill like a paraplegic.
> Way to go there, Tea Party!


Not really.

Yeah, really. Son of a son of a sailor.

"Brainstorming" a job is what Warner says. Really? How do you "brainstorm" a federal judgeship? Don't think you send her a job application. I'd love to know what Kaine had to do with this. Bet he had enough sense to squash the job offer.

When repubs commit crimes, they go to prison. When Dems commit crimes, they get elected for life. Any questions? If so, just read about Marion Barry, Ted Kennedy, Clinton, Reid, Rangel, Pelosi, or any other dirty dem politician.