People making minimum wage in Fairfax should join the protests that's sweeping the nation. What better place than the DC area for social change? Everyone working in fast food and other restaurants should join together and demand a living wage from their employers.

Why have illegals coming in if we have to pay them so much??

Seriously raiseing the min wage Will put a lot of people working for Mom and Pop out of a Job.. Why are you people so stupid to think that everyone that has a business can pay more?? Mom and Pop are not Exxon Mobile. All large Corporations already pay more then min wage..Fairfax Co Govt pays more then Min wage....Assholes..

If mom and pop can't afford to pay a fair wage they shouldn't be in business. Minimum wage is not fair, but all you morons defending it wouldn't know...you all mooch off your own parents.

Yes Then We Can Fire You Wrote:
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> Why have illegals coming in if we have to pay them
> so much??
>
> Seriously raiseing the min wage Will put a lot of
> people working for Mom and Pop out of a Job.. Why
> are you people so stupid to think that everyone
> that has a business can pay more?? Mom and Pop are
> not Exxon Mobile. All large Corporations already
> pay more then min wage..Fairfax Co Govt pays more
> then Min wage....Assholes..

Yes, large corporations will provide a few cents more, and the good ones - like Wal-Mart - will have an HR department that can give you guidance for filling out the forms in order to claim government assistance.

If you don't work for a caring company like Wal-Mart, then you have something to aspire to. With a college degree, you can become a "Greeter".

Yes Then We Can Fire You Wrote:
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> Why have illegals coming in if we have to pay them
> so much??
>
> Seriously raiseing the min wage Will put a lot of
> people working for Mom and Pop out of a Job.. Why
> are you people so stupid to think that everyone
> that has a business can pay more?? Mom and Pop are
> not Exxon Mobile. All large Corporations already
> pay more then min wage..Fairfax Co Govt pays more
> then Min wage....Assholes..

If you can't handle or take care of something, you don't deserve it! Can't pay employees a living wage, you aren't entitled to own a business. I don't care if you want to be a mom and pop store. You don't care about your employees NEEDS, why should they care about your WANTS.
What the hell is important about your small business? What are you selling? Same shit as anybody else- big deal.
All these whiny little entitled small businesses have only stayed in business so Walmart can follow the same rules as them.
I don't care where I buy the things I need, you don't care where or for how little you get your employees for..., only I'm buying cheap over-priced crap and you are buying real human lives. Take care of them or burn.
Not much point in stores anymore! Personally, I buy $1,500 dresses rich women wore once & have their flunkies resell on Ebay for $150, haven't been to the mall in 10 years. What do I want a junky dress from China costing the same for?

Last time Obumblefuck raised the minimum wage 600,000 people lost their jobs.

What the ACTUAL fuck is wrong with you libs?

Why do you HATE America so much?

Gerry sells dresses on e bay, makes big bucks, he probably models them first, for a small fee. Word on the street, only 35 cents a shot.

Fuck everyone.

findanothergameweasels Wrote:
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> If you can't handle or take care of something, you
> don't deserve it! Can't pay employees a living
> wage, you aren't entitled to own a business. I
> don't care if you want to be a mom and pop store.
> You don't care about your employees NEEDS, why
> should they care about your WANTS.
> What the hell is important about your small
> business? What are you selling? Same shit as
> anybody else- big deal.
> All these whiny little entitled small businesses
> have only stayed in business so Walmart can follow
> the same rules as them.
> I don't care where I buy the things I need, you
> don't care where or for how little you get your
> employees for..., only I'm buying cheap
> over-priced crap and you are buying real human
> lives. Take care of them or burn.
> Not much point in stores anymore! Personally, I
> buy $1,500 dresses rich women wore once & have
> their flunkies resell on Ebay for $150, haven't
> been to the mall in 10 years. What do I want a
> junky dress from China costing the same for?

Is this how a liberal mind works?

Libtards never lack for ideas on how to spend others' money. In this case, they're happy to be stealing from small businesses. What they don't get is that raising pay across the board simply creates a cycle of inflation. It does not improve anyone's living standard.

Tom Payne Wrote:
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> Libtards never lack for ideas on how to spend
> others' money. In this case, they're happy to be
> stealing from small businesses. What they don't
> get is that raising pay across the board simply
> creates a cycle of inflation. It does not improve
> anyone's living standard.

I think you're being naive. Liberals do understand how to purposely screw the economy, driving millions onto welfare. That, along with letting illegals vote, is the only way to maintain enough voters to keep them in power.

Eli of World Star Poker Wrote:
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> People making minimum wage in Fairfax should join
> the protests that's sweeping the nation. What
> better place than the DC area for social change?
> Everyone working in fast food and other
> restaurants should join together and demand a
> living wage from their employers.


Here's reality.
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The only problem with those automated order/menu systems, lots and lots of elderly love Mcdonalds......can you imagine an 80 year old trying to operate one of those things?

eesh Wrote:
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> The only problem with those automated order/menu
> systems, lots and lots of elderly love
> Mcdonalds......can you imagine an 80 year old
> trying to operate one of those things?

Damn, you make a great point. Let's kill all the elderly, then this won't be an issue.

600,000 Wrote:
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> Last time Obumblefuck raised the minimum wage...

The last minimum-wage increase was signed by George W Bush.

> ...600,000 people lost their jobs.

Because of the Great Bush Recession, not any minimum wage increase. It is a simple fact that increases in the minimum wage consistent with recent examples of it produce no measurable increase in either unemployment or inflation.

> What the ACTUAL fuck is wrong with you libs?

How did you fucking right-wing assholes all become so fucking stupid?

VXF Wrote:
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> If mom and pop can't afford to pay a fair wage
> they shouldn't be in business.

Really! Think how much better profits would look if businesses didn't have to pay people anything at all. That's the crux of the argument these illiterates are making.

Low-skilled labor is simply a factor input that is required in some production functions. Sort of like flour, sugar, and chocolate chips would be required if you were a chocolate chip cookie maker. Then there would be rent, fuel costs, advertising, and dozens of other factor inputs. The prices of all of them go up and down over time. This is part of what it means to be in business. If you can't run a profitable business while paying a fair price for your factor inputs, you should simply declare bankruptcy and go home to sulk. You don't have any right to survive in the marketplace at all, and certainly not one to survive only on the basis of exploiting people or stealing from them.

MENSA ALERT Wrote:
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> Is this how a liberal mind works?

Start with the fact that there about 28 million small businesses in America and that each year about 27 million of them combine to add a net nothing to the economy at all. All of the positives come from the 3-5% that actually have a good idea and stand out for a few years before falling back into the pack. These shooting stars are typically neither new nor actually small. Merely less than 500 employees. Meanwhile, 30% of new small businesses fail within three years, 50% fail within five years, and 75% fail within ten years. Small business groups claim that they are the engine of employment in this country, but as fast as they simply collapse, they are equally the engine of UNemployment in this country.

Tom Payne Wrote:
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> Libtards never lack for ideas on how to spend
> others' money. In this case, they're happy to be
> stealing from small businesses. What they don't
> get is that raising pay across the board simply
> creates a cycle of inflation. It does not improve
> anyone's living standard.

Take a course in labor economics, bozo. You are clueless at this point.

There Ya Go Wrote:
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> VXF Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If mom and pop can't afford to pay a fair wage
> > they shouldn't be in business.
>
> Really! Think how much better profits would look
> if businesses didn't have to pay people anything
> at all. That's the crux of the argument these
> illiterates are making.
>
> Low-skilled labor is simply a factor input that is
> required in some production functions. Sort of
> like flour, sugar, and chocolate chips would be
> required if you were a chocolate chip cookie
> maker. Then there would be rent, fuel costs,
> advertising, and dozens of other factor inputs.
> The prices of all of them go up and down over
> time. This is part of what it means to be in
> business. If you can't run a profitable business
> while paying a fair price for your factor inputs,
> you should simply declare bankruptcy and go home
> to sulk. You don't have any right to survive in
> the marketplace at all, and certainly not one to
> survive only on the basis of exploiting people or
> stealing from them.

So the next logical step would be to mandate an increase in the cost of whatever mom and pop sells. The government should dictate that the mom and pop store owners be eligible for a fair profit, regardless of what the market would afford. That way the unskilled laborer wins, the mom and pop business owner wins, we all win.

I don't know of anybody in Fairfax who is actually paid minimum wage.
Even day labors are paid more.

Make Yourself Worth More Wrote:
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> Here's reality.

You and reality are total strangers. The real world is dynamic. People come and people go, but the need for low-wage labor remains the same. Nobody would have hired any low-wage workers to begin with if their labor were not needed. If you need tables bussed, you hire busboys. Because you have to. Meanwhile, hot dog and hamburger machine technology has been around for many decades. How's that been working out would you say?

CountTheMoney Wrote:
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> I don't know of anybody in Fairfax who is actually
> paid minimum wage.
> Even day labors are paid more.

Actually, some don't get paid at all. They end up in landfills. ;(

There ya go pt duex Wrote:
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> So the next logical step would be to mandate an
> increase in the cost of whatever mom and pop
> sells. The government should dictate that the mom
> and pop store owners be eligible for a fair
> profit, regardless of what the market would
> afford. That way the unskilled laborer wins, the
> mom and pop business owner wins, we all win.

The communist Nixon tried wage/price controls. Big failure. Not so with minimum wage laws. They have been a big success everywhere they've been tried, which is pretty close to everywhere that makes any difference.

There are meanwhile very few actual mom-and-pops in existence. Only the fairy tale lives on, mostly in the minds of those most prone to belief in fairy tales -- right-wing morons. Most actual mom-and-pops operate in urban areas and as local monopolies. There are not five more of them just down the block. Customers can pay the prices demanded or pay even more through incremental costs of travel and inconvenience. Mom-and-pops by definition have few of any employees. Any that have put themselves on such a thin edge as to be threatened by a minimum wage increase are not economically viable and fully deserve to go out of business. Say goodnight, Gracie.

CountTheMoney Wrote:
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> I don't know of anybody in Fairfax who is actually
> paid minimum wage. Even day labors are paid more.

Go to a restaurant and ask around.

if we have to pay them so much

who's "we". i'm not with you.

and if your giving my job to an illegal i'm going to try to get you arrested for minor espionage and treason

plenty of room for the rich to import new servants

IF THERE is plenty of room and not droves of people complaining there is a law against being broken. not when there isn't.

when there's room

shut up. where's the money

i noticed fx co gov has been getting really high pay and taking vacations in other countries as if they have more than one citizenship
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eesh Wrote:
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> The only problem with those automated order/menu
> systems, lots and lots of elderly love
> Mcdonalds......can you imagine an 80 year old
> trying to operate one of those things?


Um, prolly get the right order delivered to them more often than if they give it to latest Chicana or Afrikaan off the boat.

CountTheMoney Wrote:
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> I don't know of anybody in Fairfax who is actually
> paid minimum wage.
> Even day labors are paid more.


And they're paid in cash. If you back out what would be their marginal tax rate they're getting paid even more.

eesh Wrote:
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> The only problem with those automated order/menu
> systems, lots and lots of elderly love
> Mcdonalds......can you imagine an 80 year old
> trying to operate one of those things?

When they finally built the Giant on Ox Road ( not University mall, further out) for the Fairfax Station people, they put in almost nothing but self check-outs and had about 2 lines with real cashiers.
Have no idea what's its like today but at the time there were all these rich people besides themselves. Just about wanting to pull out their hair. They didn't know what they were doing, the lines were forever and everyone kept goofing up. It was FUNNY, wish I video-taped it.

I make $65.00 per hour. My wife makes $58.00 per hour. If minimum wages workers go from 7.25 to 15.00 per hour, then we deserve 100% increases also as our costs will go up. Our Lexus doesn't pay for itself at the gas pump!

Making Ends Meet Wrote:
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> I make $65.00 per hour. My wife makes $58.00 per
> hour. If minimum wages workers go from 7.25 to
> 15.00 per hour, then we deserve 100% increases
> also as our costs will go up. Our Lexus doesn't
> pay for itself at the gas pump!

They are way too busy with their deep thoughts to be bothered with the little things.
Beyond the static rumble of ME,ME,ME its,...What are MY Grandchildren's, Grandchildren going to do if I don't hoard it all - WORK BENEATH THEMSELVES?, God Forbid.!
Their greatest undeserved theft is that of moral superiority.

Facts of the Matter Wrote:
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> There ya go pt duex Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So the next logical step would be to mandate an
> > increase in the cost of whatever mom and pop
> > sells. The government should dictate that the
> mom
> > and pop store owners be eligible for a fair
> > profit, regardless of what the market would
> > afford. That way the unskilled laborer wins,
> the
> > mom and pop business owner wins, we all win.
>
> The communist Nixon tried wage/price controls.
> Big failure. Not so with minimum wage laws. They
> have been a big success everywhere they've been
> tried, which is pretty close to everywhere that
> makes any difference.
>
> There are meanwhile very few actual mom-and-pops
> in existence. Only the fairy tale lives on,
> mostly in the minds of those most prone to belief
> in fairy tales -- right-wing morons. Most actual
> mom-and-pops operate in urban areas and as local
> monopolies. There are not five more of them just
> down the block. Customers can pay the prices
> demanded or pay even more through incremental
> costs of travel and inconvenience. Mom-and-pops
> by definition have few of any employees. Any that
> have put themselves on such a thin edge as to be
> threatened by a minimum wage increase are not
> economically viable and fully deserve to go out of
> business. Say goodnight, Gracie.


You're clueless.




http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html


Now back to your cube dwelling job at whatever government or academic organization where you've never run any sort of business whatsoever.

Fact Checked Wrote:
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> Facts of the Matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There ya go pt duex Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So the next logical step would be to mandate
> an
> > > increase in the cost of whatever mom and pop
> > > sells. The government should dictate that the
> > mom
> > > and pop store owners be eligible for a fair
> > > profit, regardless of what the market would
> > > afford. That way the unskilled laborer wins,
> > the
> > > mom and pop business owner wins, we all win.
> >
> > The communist Nixon tried wage/price controls.
> > Big failure. Not so with minimum wage laws.
> They
> > have been a big success everywhere they've been
> > tried, which is pretty close to everywhere that
> > makes any difference.
> >
> > There are meanwhile very few actual
> mom-and-pops
> > in existence. Only the fairy tale lives on,
> > mostly in the minds of those most prone to
> belief
> > in fairy tales -- right-wing morons. Most
> actual
> > mom-and-pops operate in urban areas and as
> local
> > monopolies. There are not five more of them
> just
> > down the block. Customers can pay the prices
> > demanded or pay even more through incremental
> > costs of travel and inconvenience.
> Mom-and-pops
> > by definition have few of any employees. Any
> that
> > have put themselves on such a thin edge as to
> be
> > threatened by a minimum wage increase are not
> > economically viable and fully deserve to go out
> of
> > business. Say goodnight, Gracie.
>
>
> You're clueless.
>
>
> src="http://www.marottaonmoney.com/wp-content/uplo
> ads/2012/10/small-business-employment-2008.png">
>
> http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html
>
>
> Now back to your cube dwelling job at whatever
> government or academic organization where you've
> never run any sort of business whatsoever.

You're a racist.

Surprised that Libs haven't yet called for a $500/hr min wage so that everyone can be rich. The consequences, of course, would never occur to all the braindead libtards.

Labor Economist Wrote:
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> Surprised that Libs haven't yet called for a
> $500/hr min wage so that everyone can be rich. The
> consequences, of course, would never occur to all
> the braindead libtards.

They've been too busy trying to explain how food stamps are good for the economy.

Labor Economist Wrote:
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> Surprised that Libs haven't yet called for a
> $500/hr min wage so that everyone can be rich. The
> consequences, of course, would never occur to all
> the braindead libtards.


Ah, but that's just it. They don't want everyone to be rich. They don't even want everyone to be so-called middle class. They need a few to be rich and the rest poor so they can promote their ideology of class envy, so they can promote populist candidates who will tell you that it's some rich guy's fault that you're poor, not that you dropped out of high school, spent your 20s on booze and drugs and now have zero skills or experience to offer an employer. THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT!

Don't believe me? Ask yourself, have you every heard any Democrat state that everyone should try to be rich? No, they have to use the rich as punching bags.

Eli of World Star Poker Wrote:
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> People making minimum wage in Fairfax should join
> the protests that's sweeping the nation. What
> better place than the DC area for social change?
> Everyone working in fast food and other
> restaurants should join together and demand a
> living wage from their employers.


agreed

I fantasize about being so rich that I could pay off every single employee of Walmart in America to quit, make them sign a contract to never return. The pleasure of watching Walmart collapse would bring me more pleasure than anything else that money could buy.

>If you can't handle or take care of something, you don't deserve it! Can't pay employees a living wage, you aren't entitled to own a business

Piss on you.. Go start a business asshole like all people in business are making big money.. "so if they can't pay shut down".. loads will be out of work.

Protest to raise minimum wage?

Nah.

Politicians, pundits and economics professors who’ve read the Congressional Budget Office’s February report on raising the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, yet who continue to endorse a higher minimum wage, evidently believe that it’s morally acceptable to steal $15,000 annually from some poor workers if the proceeds are given to other workers.

The CBO study concludes that raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 per hour to $10.10 per hour will indeed — as basic economics predicts — reduce employment among low-skilled workers. Specifically, the CBO predicts that this higher minimum wage will destroy about 500,000 jobs. The study also predicts that about 16.5 million other workers will receive higher pay as a result of a higher minimum wage. …

Reasonable people can dispute the CBO’s specific predictions. (I believe, for example, that the method used by that agency to calculate the number of jobs destroyed by raising the minimum wage leads to an underestimation of job losses.) No matter. Anyone who supports artificially raising the wages of some workers through a policy that causes other workers to remain unemployed is someone who believes that it is moral for government to arbitrarily impoverish some people in order to raise the incomes of others.

-Don Boudreaux, "The mortality of the minimum wage"



One of the worst arguments frequently offered by supporters of minimum-wage legislation is that such legislation actually increases the efficiency of firms’ operations by improving employee morale and reducing employee turnover. Employers allegedly gain through minimum-wage legislation! This argument is especially weak because it is never explained why profit-hungry firms operating in highly competitive output markets such as fast-food retailing and lawn-care service must be directed by politicians on how to increase their firms’ profitability.

In fact, minimum-wage legislation is likely to reduce employee morale. The reason is that minimum-wage legislation makes minimum-wage jobs less pleasant than they would be in the absence of such legislation. Employers adjust to the requirement of paying a higher minimum wage not only by firing some workers and by not hiring workers that they would otherwise have hired; they adjust also by changing for the worse the non-wage terms of employment for those workers who do remain employed at the higher minimum wage. Fewer coffee breaks; less tolerance for personal phone calls and texting while on the job; stricter dress codes; dirtier or more hazardous workplaces; demands that workers produce more output per hour – the list is long. The reduced attractiveness of the non-wage aspects of minimum-wage jobs almost certainly lowers the morale of those employees who remain employed at the minimum wage.

It’s true that minimum-wage legislation might nevertheless reduce employee turnover, but that effect is likely the result of the diminished employment options open to workers who keep their jobs at the minimum wage. Because minimum-wage legislation results in fewer jobs than otherwise open to low-skilled workers, those workers who are lucky enough to get jobs at the minimum wage are less likely than they would be without minimum-wage legislation to switch jobs.

- Don Boudreaux

Most fast food joints and others start above MW, and the jobs that don't, well, you're not talking rocket science.
What a bunch of faggotry.

Any business paying minimum wage is akin to 3rd generation welfare apes and queens living on the dole. They pay the minimum because they know the state and Uncle Sam provide the rest of their compensation through housing vouchers and EBT cards. We taxpayers are the only reason why anyone accepts minimum wage. Take food stamp and subsidised housing away, and businesses would have to pay $15/hr because no one could afford to work for less. If you can't pay more, then either your business acumen as an owner is lousy or your entire business model is predicated on exploiting labor that is essentially supported through taxpayer subsidies. Either way your worthless IMO.