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FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
LoveFairfax
()
Date: June 21, 2010 12:42AM
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David v. Goliath - Fairfax County School Board poised to strike at heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
The School Board is FAILING Fairfax County Taxpayers.
The "School Board's FOLLY"...pursuing a multi-million dollar brand new elementary school at the corner of Union Mill and Compton Roads while simultaneously attempting to irrevocably end the historic tradition of a neighbor school in Clifton...a contiguous presence since 1869!
MONDAY, JUNE 20, 7pm - Rally in the Town of Clifton! David is rising against Goliath and Fairfax County taxpayers are pushing back!
The municipal 'giant' that is the Fairfax County School Board must not be allowed to oppress small town America, Historic Virginia and it's heritage, small businesses and Fairfax County taxpayers.
Remember, David won...
WHAT CAN YOU DO???
Monday, June 21 - Rally to Save Clifton (& Union Mill!) Elementary, 7 pm! Town Square, Town of Clifton
Monday, June 28 - School Board’s public hearing to hear the community’s comments, 6-11 pm, Jackson MS, 3020 Gallows Road, Falls Church; sign up by June 25 (you may come & yield your time to another speaker) at www.fcps.edu/schlbd/requestspeak.htm (June 29 additional meeting, if needed)
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Our elected officials on the Fairfax County School Board have forgotten the Commonwealth of Virginia's motto - Sic Semper Tyrannis...Thus Always to Tyrants.
Tyrant:
1 a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b : a usurper of sovereignty
2 a : a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b : one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power
We have a responsibility to hold our elected officials accountable. Let's do it before the vote rather than having to deal with the ramifications after the fact.
It is tyrannical to:
Unceremoniously close an award winning elementary school - Clifton Elementary is a Governor's Award for Education Excellence recipient. The student population has tremendous academic, SOL and Virginia Wellness performance, along with outstanding community service and the highest rate of Scouting participation of any school in the Metro Washington Council area!
Impose millions of dollars of unnecessary debt on Fairfax County taxpayers for construction of a brand new elementary school building that serves a population which has NO OVERCROWDED schools. Clifton, Union Mill, Willow Springs and Centre Ridge Elementary Schools are neither overcrowded now nor predicted to be so in five years.
Fiscally impose unnecessary renovation on a facility because everyone else has it - i.e., if we had not built 'luxury' (read now "standard") 3,000++ square foot media centers, etc. in other elementary schools, maybe we would not be facing the current budget constraints.
Destroy the single and central edifice which is integral to the essence of community in Clifton, a US Department of Interior National Historic District, leaving it as the ONLY municipality in the region without an elementary school...which has been a part of the fabric of the community continuously since 1869!
A few nuggets of info ...
With respect to the School Board’s enrollment projections for Clifton ES: With the mean of 389 enrollments and the meridian of 388 enrollments between 2000-2010, it is statistically unclear (meaning NOT happening) how the projection of enrollment drops precipitously to 298 students in 2015 using standard statistical methodologies. Of significant import is the fact that enrollment has not gone below 366 students for over the last 15 years. The Board is about to make the decision to close Clifton ES based on a freefall (18.5 percent reduction) drop in enrollments over the next five years that cannot be supported given the trend line of the last 15 years, does not take into account home sales, population movement to this area due to the Base Closure and Realignment (BRAC), etc.
From the Final Staff Report, Southwestern Regional Planning Study, May 3, 2010, p. 12, "While the (Clifton ES) gymnasium is 1500 square feet smaller than a new elementary school it is adequate for the size of the population. The cafeteria is adequately sized to accommodate the population as well. The facility has adequate support facilities..."
From the Final Staff Report, Southwestern Regional Planning Study, May 3, 2010, p. 3, "Twenty-eight schools are now included in the study area with a total projected 2015 enrollment of about 21,750 students. Twelve of these schools, with a total projected enrollment of 9,815 students, are projected to be overcrowded by 1,520 students."
From Final Staff Report, Southwestern Regional Planning Study, May 3, 2010, p. 6, School Board believes “that it is feasible to construct additions at some of the schools in the study area in order to provide additional capacity."
From School Board's "CONS" to closure of Clifton ES and new construction at Liberty site from "SW New School Options Final Report pdf, May 13, 2010, p. 13":
"Not very close to the more significant overcrowding in the northern part of the study (Powell, Eagle View, Greenbriars, WaplesMills) and if it is used to alleviate Bull Run and Centreville overcrowding, spaces will not be available to alleviate the significant overcrowding.
Traffic on Union Mill with two schools on the current Liberty MS site will increase significantly.
After the Clifton students and the overcrowding from Centreville and Bull Run schools move to this site, the remaining 1/3 of the school would need to be populated by making boundary changes at multiple schools to avoid creating more islands. To relieve the overcrowding to the north (Powell and Eagle View) Union Mill and Willow Springs southern boundaries would shift with students going to the new school, to allow for Powell and Eagle View students to shift to those schools."
Despite all of the above, it is astounding to realize that we are being asked to embark on an irrevocable school closure and brand new construction even though NO SCHOOL BOUNDARY STUDY HAS BEEN CONDUCTED! Thusly, the elected School Board is endeavouring with Clifton Elementary - where no overcrowding exists, where minimal renovations suffice, where population could be INCREASED – to CLOSE the school as their intent to solve a problem at schools which average at least 5 miles away. (HUH?)
This is the USURPING of the sovreignty of citizens to live and educate their children in a Residential Conservation semi-rural environment (which protects the Occoquan Watershed).
☺ The same RC Zoning that allows the protection of the drinking water for the remainder of the County (including water that winds up in all the other Fairfax County Public Schools), means a vast majority of the Clifton residents also live on and consume well water daily. (with the outstanding performance of Clifton Elementary students, should be start bottling the well water and exporting it other Fairfax County schools rather than FCPS Superintedent of Schools Dr. Jack Dale using it as an ill-informed 'citi-fied' anti-small town excuse to close the award winning school?)
☺ The same RC Zoning that naturally drives up the value of homes in Clifton also yields a greater tax base back to Fairfax County (yet we disproportionately benefit less in our own locale from those taxes since we largely maintain & plow the many private roads, have well v. County water supply (and amazingly survive!!!), have a Volunteer Fire Department v. County services, etc.)
☺ The same RC Zoning that protects and surrounds Clifton is historically significant and is integral to the US Department of Interior National Historic District designation.
They cannot, then, treat children of area residents punitively by lamenting a renovation approach because those performed at Clifton Elementary may ultimately be “higher on a per student basis” than other school renovations throughout the County...where population density is disproportionately high per square mile to Clifton.
If Fairfax Station and Clifton area residents wanted their children to attend a 90,000+ square foot elementary facility (approx. what School Board is aiming for as a "standard") with a building capacity of 800-900 students, they would not have moved to Clifton in the first place!
Our elected officials are essentially declaring that the chosen way of life in Clifton and the surrounding areas is not desirable and doesn't meet their "standards". The media center - not big enough; no kiss & ride lanes; no separate ingress & egress for buses and cars (we've amazingly been able to drop off and pick up our children without incident for decades nonetheless...yet the County says we aren't 'safe' and don't meet 'standards'?? WHOSE???), an administrative suite on (brace yourself for this craziness) TWO sides of a hallway (an "original design flaw" that the School Board wants to fix by creating "beneficial adjacencies" -MILLIONS of TAXPAYER DOLLARS in recommended renovations so a couple of people don't have to walk across the hall??? Have these people lost their MINDS???)...and so on and so on. Nonetheless, the residents of this area have somehow managed to produce some of the best, brightest and service oriented students in the County!
We need to respectfully but feverently make our position as Fairfax County taxpayers, voters, residents, parents, business leaders, etc. more CLEARLY HEARD.
We place elected officials in a position of trust to carry out our will, not to have theirs imposed upon us.
David v. Goliath - Fairfax County School Board poised to strike at heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
The School Board is FAILING Fairfax County Taxpayers.
The "School Board's FOLLY"...pursuing a multi-million dollar brand new elementary school at the corner of Union Mill and Compton Roads while simultaneously attempting to irrevocably end the historic tradition of a neighbor school in Clifton...a contiguous presence since 1869!
MONDAY, JUNE 20, 7pm - Rally in the Town of Clifton! David is rising against Goliath and Fairfax County taxpayers are pushing back!
The municipal 'giant' that is the Fairfax County School Board must not be allowed to oppress small town America, Historic Virginia and it's heritage, small businesses and Fairfax County taxpayers.
Remember, David won...
WHAT CAN YOU DO???
Monday, June 21 - Rally to Save Clifton (& Union Mill!) Elementary, 7 pm! Town Square, Town of Clifton
Monday, June 28 - School Board’s public hearing to hear the community’s comments, 6-11 pm, Jackson MS, 3020 Gallows Road, Falls Church; sign up by June 25 (you may come & yield your time to another speaker) at www.fcps.edu/schlbd/requestspeak.htm (June 29 additional meeting, if needed)
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Our elected officials on the Fairfax County School Board have forgotten the Commonwealth of Virginia's motto - Sic Semper Tyrannis...Thus Always to Tyrants.
Tyrant:
1 a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b : a usurper of sovereignty
2 a : a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b : one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power
We have a responsibility to hold our elected officials accountable. Let's do it before the vote rather than having to deal with the ramifications after the fact.
It is tyrannical to:
Unceremoniously close an award winning elementary school - Clifton Elementary is a Governor's Award for Education Excellence recipient. The student population has tremendous academic, SOL and Virginia Wellness performance, along with outstanding community service and the highest rate of Scouting participation of any school in the Metro Washington Council area!
Impose millions of dollars of unnecessary debt on Fairfax County taxpayers for construction of a brand new elementary school building that serves a population which has NO OVERCROWDED schools. Clifton, Union Mill, Willow Springs and Centre Ridge Elementary Schools are neither overcrowded now nor predicted to be so in five years.
Fiscally impose unnecessary renovation on a facility because everyone else has it - i.e., if we had not built 'luxury' (read now "standard") 3,000++ square foot media centers, etc. in other elementary schools, maybe we would not be facing the current budget constraints.
Destroy the single and central edifice which is integral to the essence of community in Clifton, a US Department of Interior National Historic District, leaving it as the ONLY municipality in the region without an elementary school...which has been a part of the fabric of the community continuously since 1869!
A few nuggets of info ...
With respect to the School Board’s enrollment projections for Clifton ES: With the mean of 389 enrollments and the meridian of 388 enrollments between 2000-2010, it is statistically unclear (meaning NOT happening) how the projection of enrollment drops precipitously to 298 students in 2015 using standard statistical methodologies. Of significant import is the fact that enrollment has not gone below 366 students for over the last 15 years. The Board is about to make the decision to close Clifton ES based on a freefall (18.5 percent reduction) drop in enrollments over the next five years that cannot be supported given the trend line of the last 15 years, does not take into account home sales, population movement to this area due to the Base Closure and Realignment (BRAC), etc.
From the Final Staff Report, Southwestern Regional Planning Study, May 3, 2010, p. 12, "While the (Clifton ES) gymnasium is 1500 square feet smaller than a new elementary school it is adequate for the size of the population. The cafeteria is adequately sized to accommodate the population as well. The facility has adequate support facilities..."
From the Final Staff Report, Southwestern Regional Planning Study, May 3, 2010, p. 3, "Twenty-eight schools are now included in the study area with a total projected 2015 enrollment of about 21,750 students. Twelve of these schools, with a total projected enrollment of 9,815 students, are projected to be overcrowded by 1,520 students."
From Final Staff Report, Southwestern Regional Planning Study, May 3, 2010, p. 6, School Board believes “that it is feasible to construct additions at some of the schools in the study area in order to provide additional capacity."
From School Board's "CONS" to closure of Clifton ES and new construction at Liberty site from "SW New School Options Final Report pdf, May 13, 2010, p. 13":
"Not very close to the more significant overcrowding in the northern part of the study (Powell, Eagle View, Greenbriars, WaplesMills) and if it is used to alleviate Bull Run and Centreville overcrowding, spaces will not be available to alleviate the significant overcrowding.
Traffic on Union Mill with two schools on the current Liberty MS site will increase significantly.
After the Clifton students and the overcrowding from Centreville and Bull Run schools move to this site, the remaining 1/3 of the school would need to be populated by making boundary changes at multiple schools to avoid creating more islands. To relieve the overcrowding to the north (Powell and Eagle View) Union Mill and Willow Springs southern boundaries would shift with students going to the new school, to allow for Powell and Eagle View students to shift to those schools."
Despite all of the above, it is astounding to realize that we are being asked to embark on an irrevocable school closure and brand new construction even though NO SCHOOL BOUNDARY STUDY HAS BEEN CONDUCTED! Thusly, the elected School Board is endeavouring with Clifton Elementary - where no overcrowding exists, where minimal renovations suffice, where population could be INCREASED – to CLOSE the school as their intent to solve a problem at schools which average at least 5 miles away. (HUH?)
This is the USURPING of the sovreignty of citizens to live and educate their children in a Residential Conservation semi-rural environment (which protects the Occoquan Watershed).
☺ The same RC Zoning that allows the protection of the drinking water for the remainder of the County (including water that winds up in all the other Fairfax County Public Schools), means a vast majority of the Clifton residents also live on and consume well water daily. (with the outstanding performance of Clifton Elementary students, should be start bottling the well water and exporting it other Fairfax County schools rather than FCPS Superintedent of Schools Dr. Jack Dale using it as an ill-informed 'citi-fied' anti-small town excuse to close the award winning school?)
☺ The same RC Zoning that naturally drives up the value of homes in Clifton also yields a greater tax base back to Fairfax County (yet we disproportionately benefit less in our own locale from those taxes since we largely maintain & plow the many private roads, have well v. County water supply (and amazingly survive!!!), have a Volunteer Fire Department v. County services, etc.)
☺ The same RC Zoning that protects and surrounds Clifton is historically significant and is integral to the US Department of Interior National Historic District designation.
They cannot, then, treat children of area residents punitively by lamenting a renovation approach because those performed at Clifton Elementary may ultimately be “higher on a per student basis” than other school renovations throughout the County...where population density is disproportionately high per square mile to Clifton.
If Fairfax Station and Clifton area residents wanted their children to attend a 90,000+ square foot elementary facility (approx. what School Board is aiming for as a "standard") with a building capacity of 800-900 students, they would not have moved to Clifton in the first place!
Our elected officials are essentially declaring that the chosen way of life in Clifton and the surrounding areas is not desirable and doesn't meet their "standards". The media center - not big enough; no kiss & ride lanes; no separate ingress & egress for buses and cars (we've amazingly been able to drop off and pick up our children without incident for decades nonetheless...yet the County says we aren't 'safe' and don't meet 'standards'?? WHOSE???), an administrative suite on (brace yourself for this craziness) TWO sides of a hallway (an "original design flaw" that the School Board wants to fix by creating "beneficial adjacencies" -MILLIONS of TAXPAYER DOLLARS in recommended renovations so a couple of people don't have to walk across the hall??? Have these people lost their MINDS???)...and so on and so on. Nonetheless, the residents of this area have somehow managed to produce some of the best, brightest and service oriented students in the County!
We need to respectfully but feverently make our position as Fairfax County taxpayers, voters, residents, parents, business leaders, etc. more CLEARLY HEARD.
We place elected officials in a position of trust to carry out our will, not to have theirs imposed upon us.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
closeit
()
Date: June 21, 2010 07:40AM
Just close the school. Why should your quaint little town suck up the county's money while other schools in need of updating go untouched! Why should all the taxpayers save your little red school house when there are plenty of up to date elementary schools in your area that the kids can be redistricted to. You live in Fairfax County just like the rest of us!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Duchess
()
Date: June 21, 2010 07:53AM
Change the Clifton Town status to City and run your own schools a la Falls Church.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
TrueType
()
Date: June 21, 2010 10:40AM
Duchess Wrote:
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> Change the Clifton Town status to City and run
> your own schools a la Falls Church.
Absolutely! Clifton used to be nice. It's not so precious now.
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> Change the Clifton Town status to City and run
> your own schools a la Falls Church.
Absolutely! Clifton used to be nice. It's not so precious now.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: June 21, 2010 12:41PM
LoveFairfax Wrote:
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> They cannot, then, treat children of area
> residents punitively by lamenting a renovation
> approach because those performed at Clifton
> Elementary may ultimately be “higher on a per
> student basis” than other school renovations
> throughout the County...where population density
> is disproportionately high per square mile to
> Clifton.
It doesnt matter why the cost per student is higher, only that it is. The cost per student needs to remain in line with the rest of the elementary schools. The only ways to do that are to get more students, or spend less money. Since it is unreasonable to expect that 800 students could fit in Clifton, they must spend less money. The school system had to think out of the box to find a solution, and they did: Build a new school on a cheaper site.
> If Fairfax Station and Clifton area residents
> wanted their children to attend a 90,000+ square
> foot elementary facility (approx. what School
> Board is aiming for as a "standard") with a
> building capacity of 800-900 students, they would
> not have moved to Clifton in the first place!
> Our elected officials are essentially declaring
> that the chosen way of life in Clifton and the
> surrounding areas is not desirable and doesn't
> meet their "standards".
Entitlement. Since this is being funded by the county, why should you have more money spent on "your" school than everybody else? The idea of moving to a particular area just for a specific public school is rediculous. The county can rezone schools however they want, and all the schools are mostly the same anyway. If you want to have your school exactly the way you want it, home school or private school.
The media center - not big
> enough; no kiss & ride lanes; no separate ingress
> & egress for buses and cars (we've amazingly been
> able to drop off and pick up our children without
> incident for decades nonetheless...yet the County
> says we aren't 'safe' and don't meet 'standards'??
> WHOSE???), an administrative suite on (brace
> yourself for this craziness) TWO sides of a
> hallway (an "original design flaw" that the School
> Board wants to fix by creating "beneficial
> adjacencies" -MILLIONS of TAXPAYER DOLLARS in
> recommended renovations so a couple of people
> don't have to walk across the hall??? Have these
> people lost their MINDS???)...and so on and so on.
> Nonetheless, the residents of this area have
> somehow managed to produce some of the best,
> brightest and service oriented students in the
> County!
All of these things may not seem important to you, but they really are necessary for safety and security. Well maybe not the media center. But the office really should be right at the front entrance of the school. They need to see who is coming in and out. They need to be able to stop suspicious people before they get into the school. It may have not happened at Clifton yet, but it has at other schools. Just imagine if some people came in and kidnapped a kid or two, because no one saw them come in. The parking lot situation may not have been a problem yet, but the buses really should be in a seperate place, so that kids dont have to dodge speeding, texting drivers while they are trying to get on the bus, and so the buses dont have to work around cars while moving. Plus, that entrance road is really steep. I bet it gets icy in the winter.
> We need to respectfully but feverently make our
> position as Fairfax County taxpayers, voters,
> residents, parents, business leaders, etc. more
> CLEARLY HEARD.
> We place elected officials in a position of trust
> to carry out our will, not to have theirs imposed
> upon us.
We want them to save us money, and this is what they are doing.
-------------------------------------------------------
> They cannot, then, treat children of area
> residents punitively by lamenting a renovation
> approach because those performed at Clifton
> Elementary may ultimately be “higher on a per
> student basis” than other school renovations
> throughout the County...where population density
> is disproportionately high per square mile to
> Clifton.
It doesnt matter why the cost per student is higher, only that it is. The cost per student needs to remain in line with the rest of the elementary schools. The only ways to do that are to get more students, or spend less money. Since it is unreasonable to expect that 800 students could fit in Clifton, they must spend less money. The school system had to think out of the box to find a solution, and they did: Build a new school on a cheaper site.
> If Fairfax Station and Clifton area residents
> wanted their children to attend a 90,000+ square
> foot elementary facility (approx. what School
> Board is aiming for as a "standard") with a
> building capacity of 800-900 students, they would
> not have moved to Clifton in the first place!
> Our elected officials are essentially declaring
> that the chosen way of life in Clifton and the
> surrounding areas is not desirable and doesn't
> meet their "standards".
Entitlement. Since this is being funded by the county, why should you have more money spent on "your" school than everybody else? The idea of moving to a particular area just for a specific public school is rediculous. The county can rezone schools however they want, and all the schools are mostly the same anyway. If you want to have your school exactly the way you want it, home school or private school.
The media center - not big
> enough; no kiss & ride lanes; no separate ingress
> & egress for buses and cars (we've amazingly been
> able to drop off and pick up our children without
> incident for decades nonetheless...yet the County
> says we aren't 'safe' and don't meet 'standards'??
> WHOSE???), an administrative suite on (brace
> yourself for this craziness) TWO sides of a
> hallway (an "original design flaw" that the School
> Board wants to fix by creating "beneficial
> adjacencies" -MILLIONS of TAXPAYER DOLLARS in
> recommended renovations so a couple of people
> don't have to walk across the hall??? Have these
> people lost their MINDS???)...and so on and so on.
> Nonetheless, the residents of this area have
> somehow managed to produce some of the best,
> brightest and service oriented students in the
> County!
All of these things may not seem important to you, but they really are necessary for safety and security. Well maybe not the media center. But the office really should be right at the front entrance of the school. They need to see who is coming in and out. They need to be able to stop suspicious people before they get into the school. It may have not happened at Clifton yet, but it has at other schools. Just imagine if some people came in and kidnapped a kid or two, because no one saw them come in. The parking lot situation may not have been a problem yet, but the buses really should be in a seperate place, so that kids dont have to dodge speeding, texting drivers while they are trying to get on the bus, and so the buses dont have to work around cars while moving. Plus, that entrance road is really steep. I bet it gets icy in the winter.
> We need to respectfully but feverently make our
> position as Fairfax County taxpayers, voters,
> residents, parents, business leaders, etc. more
> CLEARLY HEARD.
> We place elected officials in a position of trust
> to carry out our will, not to have theirs imposed
> upon us.
We want them to save us money, and this is what they are doing.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: June 21, 2010 12:42PM
Duchess Wrote:
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> Change the Clifton Town status to City and run
> your own schools a la Falls Church.
Too bad the actual Clifton ES building sits outside of the corporate limits of the town/city.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Change the Clifton Town status to City and run
> your own schools a la Falls Church.
Too bad the actual Clifton ES building sits outside of the corporate limits of the town/city.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
least of your problems
()
Date: June 21, 2010 03:22PM
Closing this school is the least of the problems at this school.........wait till you meet your new principal.......
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
LoveFairfax
()
Date: June 21, 2010 04:21PM
All -
County wants to spend $20+ MILLION DOLLARS (if that is the estimate, you know it is going to be WAY more) on the new school.
We can renovate and INCREASE capacity at the old one for $6-8M - who is FOR spending $12-14 MILLION Dollars we don't need to spend???
Buehler? Buehler? Anyone? Anyone?
Um - if your toilet breaks, do you build a new house?
If your shingles get damaged in a storm, do you build a new house?
We want to SAVE YOUR MONEY so we can responsibly spend it and get the schools which also need more capacity their funds...that $12-14 Million the School Board wants to waste.
Take care of what we have - old doesn't mean bad. Very modest renovations without all the bells & whistles and save the money for other schools.
We are trying to NOT suck up money! The School Board is FLUSHING your money away! We are saying other schools need it MORE than we do!
County wants to spend $20+ MILLION DOLLARS (if that is the estimate, you know it is going to be WAY more) on the new school.
We can renovate and INCREASE capacity at the old one for $6-8M - who is FOR spending $12-14 MILLION Dollars we don't need to spend???
Buehler? Buehler? Anyone? Anyone?
Um - if your toilet breaks, do you build a new house?
If your shingles get damaged in a storm, do you build a new house?
We want to SAVE YOUR MONEY so we can responsibly spend it and get the schools which also need more capacity their funds...that $12-14 Million the School Board wants to waste.
Take care of what we have - old doesn't mean bad. Very modest renovations without all the bells & whistles and save the money for other schools.
We are trying to NOT suck up money! The School Board is FLUSHING your money away! We are saying other schools need it MORE than we do!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Greeny
()
Date: June 21, 2010 07:29PM
Can they use the old site as a parking lot for the school buses they want to move from Eleven Oaks?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: June 22, 2010 12:18AM
LoveFairfax Wrote:
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> All -
> County wants to spend $20+ MILLION DOLLARS (if
> that is the estimate, you know it is going to be
> WAY more) on the new school.
>
> We can renovate and INCREASE capacity at the old
> one for $6-8M - who is FOR spending $12-14 MILLION
> Dollars we don't need to spend???
> Buehler? Buehler? Anyone? Anyone?
>
> Um - if your toilet breaks, do you build a new
> house?
> If your shingles get damaged in a storm, do you
> build a new house?
If your house is 50 years old and needs new toilets, roof, a/c, doors, furniture, and all new utilities, i would tear that shit down and build a new one, possibly on a different piece of property
> We want to SAVE YOUR MONEY so we can responsibly
> spend it and get the schools which also need more
> capacity their funds...that $12-14 Million the
> School Board wants to waste.
> Take care of what we have - old doesn't mean bad.
> Very modest renovations without all the bells &
> whistles and save the money for other schools.
> We are trying to NOT suck up money! The School
> Board is FLUSHING your money away! We are saying
> other schools need it MORE than we do!
Now there's some reasonable thinking. Rather than saying DONT TOUCH OUR SCHOOL, you say something that everyone can understand and like. Now if only the people, who will surely lambaste the school board could say such reasonable ideas instead, they might actually get listened to.
-------------------------------------------------------
> All -
> County wants to spend $20+ MILLION DOLLARS (if
> that is the estimate, you know it is going to be
> WAY more) on the new school.
>
> We can renovate and INCREASE capacity at the old
> one for $6-8M - who is FOR spending $12-14 MILLION
> Dollars we don't need to spend???
> Buehler? Buehler? Anyone? Anyone?
>
> Um - if your toilet breaks, do you build a new
> house?
> If your shingles get damaged in a storm, do you
> build a new house?
If your house is 50 years old and needs new toilets, roof, a/c, doors, furniture, and all new utilities, i would tear that shit down and build a new one, possibly on a different piece of property
> We want to SAVE YOUR MONEY so we can responsibly
> spend it and get the schools which also need more
> capacity their funds...that $12-14 Million the
> School Board wants to waste.
> Take care of what we have - old doesn't mean bad.
> Very modest renovations without all the bells &
> whistles and save the money for other schools.
> We are trying to NOT suck up money! The School
> Board is FLUSHING your money away! We are saying
> other schools need it MORE than we do!
Now there's some reasonable thinking. Rather than saying DONT TOUCH OUR SCHOOL, you say something that everyone can understand and like. Now if only the people, who will surely lambaste the school board could say such reasonable ideas instead, they might actually get listened to.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
kinchloe
()
Date: June 22, 2010 08:45PM
Shut that old school down and turn it into a community center. Good parents send their kids to private school. That school is a s-hole anyway.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 24, 2010 06:23PM
there's a very simple solution to keeping your school. Get rid of all the illegal's in the County and the overcrowding problem disappears. Then no new school is needed, and the County can spend the money where it belongs, in the school's attended by children of TAXPAYER'S!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
taxper with no kids
()
Date: June 24, 2010 08:05PM
I don't get it? So you drive a few more miles each day to take your kid to school?
It sounds as though changing schools is an inconvenience to YOU!!!
Think of the children.
It sounds as though changing schools is an inconvenience to YOU!!!
Think of the children.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 24, 2010 08:31PM
taxper with no kids Wrote:
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> I don't get it? So you drive a few more miles
> each day to take your kid to school?
>
> It sounds as though changing schools is an
> inconvenience to YOU!!!
>
> Think of the children.
If you're a taxpayer, you should be OUTRAGED at what the County is proposing. They are trying to CLOSE a school to solve overcrowding. To solve the overcrowding after you close a school you have to build a new one. It's not about the distance to the new school, it's about wasting MILLIONS on a new school that's NOT needed!! The School Board's own staff has said they can solve the overcrowding with a Boundary Study, and 2-3 additions at schools, IF clifton stays open. If they close Clifton, they have to do a Boundary Study, build a new school, and still do 2-3 additions at other schools.
Why do we want to spend millions on a new school when they've already said they don't need a new school UNLESS they close Clifton first.
According to the news stories about Clifton, they don't want a new school, or renovations at the school they have, so leave them alone. If they are willing to make do with less because it works for them, great! Spend the $$ on the schools that do want renovations and NEED renovations.
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> I don't get it? So you drive a few more miles
> each day to take your kid to school?
>
> It sounds as though changing schools is an
> inconvenience to YOU!!!
>
> Think of the children.
If you're a taxpayer, you should be OUTRAGED at what the County is proposing. They are trying to CLOSE a school to solve overcrowding. To solve the overcrowding after you close a school you have to build a new one. It's not about the distance to the new school, it's about wasting MILLIONS on a new school that's NOT needed!! The School Board's own staff has said they can solve the overcrowding with a Boundary Study, and 2-3 additions at schools, IF clifton stays open. If they close Clifton, they have to do a Boundary Study, build a new school, and still do 2-3 additions at other schools.
Why do we want to spend millions on a new school when they've already said they don't need a new school UNLESS they close Clifton first.
According to the news stories about Clifton, they don't want a new school, or renovations at the school they have, so leave them alone. If they are willing to make do with less because it works for them, great! Spend the $$ on the schools that do want renovations and NEED renovations.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
huuuu
()
Date: June 24, 2010 08:46PM
Town of clifton. What town?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: June 24, 2010 10:35PM
huuuu Wrote:
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> Town of clifton. What town?
are you serious? Or new to Fairfax County?
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> Town of clifton. What town?
are you serious? Or new to Fairfax County?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
huuuu
()
Date: June 24, 2010 10:51PM
herewegoagain Wrote:
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> huuuu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Town of clifton. What town?
>
>
> are you serious? Or new to Fairfax County?
Town? A pub/general store and a ice cream joint is hardly a town.
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> huuuu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Town of clifton. What town?
>
>
> are you serious? Or new to Fairfax County?
Town? A pub/general store and a ice cream joint is hardly a town.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
WhoCares
()
Date: June 25, 2010 11:59PM
Why is everybody even talking about building a new school in that area?! This will be the 3rd freaking school built in Springfield in the last 7 years! Anybody heard of other parts of Fairfax County - they do exist! Do you think you are the only damn part of the County that has overcrowding! Why is everybody supposed to pay for all of your kids? So sick of these threads. Get over yourselves!
Fix Clifton's water and fire stuff and spend the rest of the money in other parts of the County for a damn change!
Fix Clifton's water and fire stuff and spend the rest of the money in other parts of the County for a damn change!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Dahlia
()
Date: June 26, 2010 12:19AM
WhoCares - If you think you may need a new school in your area, than you need to encourage Liz Bradsher to move there. She'll build a new school for you.
Why fix the water for a fraction of the cost when it is so much more fun to build a whole new school for triple the cost?
Why fix the water for a fraction of the cost when it is so much more fun to build a whole new school for triple the cost?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
FCTaxpayer
()
Date: June 28, 2010 01:36PM
You are all missing the point. The parents of CES do not WANT the renovations. They only need a new well. Someone in the community was willing to donate a new well, but was told 'no' by the FCPS. Why? Check out CES's SOL scores and you'll see why. Leave those kids alone. Let the donor buy them a new well. AND if there truly is overcrowding, build the school CLOSE to where there is OVERCROWDING - not 5-10 miles away. They say "oh we already have a piece of property so we'll build there". Well STUDY the report....Don't you all get it?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
hsparent
()
Date: June 28, 2010 05:44PM
Clifton ES is part of the Fairfax County System. You do NOT get to pick and choose which renovations/additions/extras you want for your neighborhood school. FCPS decides. When you decided to buy your house, you should have checked out the school. Why is this so hard for you all to understand.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
interested observer
()
Date: June 30, 2010 10:02AM
Having watched Liz Bradsher, the "so-called" Springfield school board representative over the past few years, I can only say "hypocrite!" Take a look at a recent quote:
"Clifton residents and parents think it's about their school and themselves. And they're right," Bradsher said. "But it's also about the rest of the county."
Now remember how Bradsher pushed and pressured for a separate South County Middle School (not an addition to the existing SOCO Secondary). Was she thinking about the rest of the county then? What about renovations for West Springfield High School? What about Clifton Elementary? She had one agenda only--South County. She does not advocate for the other schools in her district.
No, I do not have a child at West Springfield or Clifton. I am a county taxpayer and observer.
"Clifton residents and parents think it's about their school and themselves. And they're right," Bradsher said. "But it's also about the rest of the county."
Now remember how Bradsher pushed and pressured for a separate South County Middle School (not an addition to the existing SOCO Secondary). Was she thinking about the rest of the county then? What about renovations for West Springfield High School? What about Clifton Elementary? She had one agenda only--South County. She does not advocate for the other schools in her district.
No, I do not have a child at West Springfield or Clifton. I am a county taxpayer and observer.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
so true
()
Date: June 30, 2010 11:19AM
In agreement with interested observer. Liz Bradsher has only been an advocate for South County, in the same way Janie Strauss is Langley/McLean's ardent protector. They only look out for their immediate area.
West Springfield has had NO renovation. Ever. Yet the school continues to receive awards for excellence in teaching (biology, Japanese). TJ desperately needs basic maintenance, but no board member seems eager to help that school either (though FCPS certainly enjoys the reputation TJ gives to the system).
West Springfield has had NO renovation. Ever. Yet the school continues to receive awards for excellence in teaching (biology, Japanese). TJ desperately needs basic maintenance, but no board member seems eager to help that school either (though FCPS certainly enjoys the reputation TJ gives to the system).
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
jjoe
()
Date: June 30, 2010 09:51PM
I completely agree, so true. The first time I went to TJ I was dumbfounded by how dumpy it was. The bathrooms were gangsta! Graffiti EVERYWHERE. Rusted sinks and toilets from 1950. Disgusting. I could not believe I was in the top highschool in the nation. Other parts of the school were clean enough, but the school just looked like it had been neglected and is desperated need of renovating - if not completely rebuilding. I haven't seen the whole school, bear in mind, but my first impression wasn't particularly positive.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
say
()
Date: June 30, 2010 10:24PM
jjoe Wrote:
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> ....The bathrooms were gangsta! Graffiti EVERYWHERE.
> Rusted sinks and toilets from 1950.
So, when TJ was built in 1963, they installed used sinks and toilets? That's the kind of frugality we need nowadays!
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> ....The bathrooms were gangsta! Graffiti EVERYWHERE.
> Rusted sinks and toilets from 1950.
So, when TJ was built in 1963, they installed used sinks and toilets? That's the kind of frugality we need nowadays!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
NoSkinInTheGame
()
Date: July 06, 2010 10:05PM
Closing the school WILL cost taxpayers - all that lost revenue when the businesses shut down. THAT IS LOST REVENUE - OK? MONEY THAT COULD HAVE GONE TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IN THE FORM OF TAX REVENUE. Give that community a break - they don't want to spend ANY of the taxpayers money - they want NO renovations. They want to be left alone. They have no idea where their kids will go to school NOW because someone discovered asbestos on the proposed site for the new school. The cat is out of the bag about asbestos - noticed how quickly they CHANGED the vote to close or not close instead of close vs renovate? They were going to let those kids go to a new school built on a vein of asbestos and they were going to let the kids next door at Liberty Middle breathe in two years' worth of asbestos while the new building was being constructed - I think it is a shame how this is going down - all parents need to wake up and vote these jokers out before they screw up ALL OF OUR KIDS' EDUCATION.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
NoSkinInTheGame
()
Date: July 06, 2010 10:16PM
ARe you nuts? We checked ALL of the TOP private schools in the county when we moved here. They CANNOT deal with kids on either end of the spectrum - they simply do not have the resources. Can you say you analyzed all of the private schools in this county? and can back up a statement that "good parents send their kids to private schools?" I think not. My kids are headed to TJ thank you very much - a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
thinkagain
()
Date: July 06, 2010 10:25PM
NoSkinInTheGame Wrote:
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> ARe you nuts? We checked ALL of the TOP private
> schools in the county when we moved here. They
> CANNOT deal with kids on either end of the
> spectrum - they simply do not have the resources.
> Can you say you analyzed all of the private
> schools in this county? and can back up a
> statement that "good parents send their kids to
> private schools?" I think not. My kids are headed
> to TJ thank you very much - a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
I think madeira and potomac private school would have something to say about that
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> ARe you nuts? We checked ALL of the TOP private
> schools in the county when we moved here. They
> CANNOT deal with kids on either end of the
> spectrum - they simply do not have the resources.
> Can you say you analyzed all of the private
> schools in this county? and can back up a
> statement that "good parents send their kids to
> private schools?" I think not. My kids are headed
> to TJ thank you very much - a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
I think madeira and potomac private school would have something to say about that
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: July 06, 2010 11:17PM
There's asbestos in the soil all over western fairfax county. all projects that will involved digging up the ground significantly in that area have monitoring installed. Centreville HS was built on a hill of asbestos, they took all the soil that was dug up and trucked it to Vienna for the construction of the I-66/Nutley Street interchange. Kids have been going there for years and no one has died yet. The asbestos is BS.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
herewegoagain
()
Date: July 07, 2010 02:54PM
KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> There's asbestos in the soil all over western
> fairfax county. all projects that will involved
> digging up the ground significantly in that area
> have monitoring installed. Centreville HS was
> built on a hill of asbestos, they took all the
> soil that was dug up and trucked it to Vienna for
> the construction of the I-66/Nutley Street
> interchange. Kids have been going there for years
> and no one has died yet. The asbestos is BS.
The asbestos may be BS, but it doesn't change the fact that the School Board has dicked around with this BS for over a year now, when they could have already done a Boundary Study and figured out how to solve the overcrowding without closing Clifton in the process.
They have yet to present a solid reason for closing Clifton ES that will benefit anyone in the County. They claim that enrollment is down, but their methodology for determining the future enrollment is a joke! If you follow the same methodology and take the projection out 20 years instead of 5, there are ZERO kids left in Clifton!! Where the hell did they all go????
The School Board needs to admit that they were wrong in the original recommendation to close the school and build a new one. The foundation for all of the arguments put forth by the "Staff" of the School Board is full of wholes, and it's been proven time and again.
If the School Board votes tomorrow night to close Clifton Elementary, they will be making a huge mistake for everyone that lives in this County. If you don't think closing Clifton ES will have a negative impact on the County as a whole, you are wrong. It will have an impact on this entire County, whether it be through lost tax revenue or drastic boundary changes to surrounding communities.
Keeping Clifton open has the LEAST IMPACT on the entire County in the long run.
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> There's asbestos in the soil all over western
> fairfax county. all projects that will involved
> digging up the ground significantly in that area
> have monitoring installed. Centreville HS was
> built on a hill of asbestos, they took all the
> soil that was dug up and trucked it to Vienna for
> the construction of the I-66/Nutley Street
> interchange. Kids have been going there for years
> and no one has died yet. The asbestos is BS.
The asbestos may be BS, but it doesn't change the fact that the School Board has dicked around with this BS for over a year now, when they could have already done a Boundary Study and figured out how to solve the overcrowding without closing Clifton in the process.
They have yet to present a solid reason for closing Clifton ES that will benefit anyone in the County. They claim that enrollment is down, but their methodology for determining the future enrollment is a joke! If you follow the same methodology and take the projection out 20 years instead of 5, there are ZERO kids left in Clifton!! Where the hell did they all go????
The School Board needs to admit that they were wrong in the original recommendation to close the school and build a new one. The foundation for all of the arguments put forth by the "Staff" of the School Board is full of wholes, and it's been proven time and again.
If the School Board votes tomorrow night to close Clifton Elementary, they will be making a huge mistake for everyone that lives in this County. If you don't think closing Clifton ES will have a negative impact on the County as a whole, you are wrong. It will have an impact on this entire County, whether it be through lost tax revenue or drastic boundary changes to surrounding communities.
Keeping Clifton open has the LEAST IMPACT on the entire County in the long run.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
sling shot
()
Date: July 07, 2010 03:14PM
KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> Duchess Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Change the Clifton Town status to City and run
> > your own schools a la Falls Church.
>
>
> Too bad the actual Clifton ES building sits
> outside of the corporate limits of the town/city.
How many of Falls Church's public schools are within the city limits?
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> Duchess Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Change the Clifton Town status to City and run
> > your own schools a la Falls Church.
>
>
> Too bad the actual Clifton ES building sits
> outside of the corporate limits of the town/city.
How many of Falls Church's public schools are within the city limits?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
interested observer
()
Date: July 07, 2010 06:30PM
Dear Clifton Elementary School supporters,
You are in my thoughts and prayers this week. As I have already posted, I do not have a direct vested interest (ie my child does not attend Clifton ES or Robinson SS). I am a longtime Fairfax County taxpayer and parent who has observed the hypocrisy of Liz Bradsher over the past few years. (And no, I am not a Hayfield or West Springfield parent either). You (Clifton ES), as well as the WSHS community have been poorly represented by Bradsher. Her campaign platform was "community school" but only for her OWN vested interests . . .(white bread communities of Crosspointe, Barrington, et al. (And just to clarify, I am a Caucasian female, happily married, but totally against Bradsher's hypocrisy!). Now that you (Clifton ES) are advocating to save a "community school" she turns a deaf ear to you. I do hope you are able to overcome the School Board drift, but I am not optimistic. If you lose, you need to rally to CASHIER BRADSHER!!!!!
You are in my thoughts and prayers this week. As I have already posted, I do not have a direct vested interest (ie my child does not attend Clifton ES or Robinson SS). I am a longtime Fairfax County taxpayer and parent who has observed the hypocrisy of Liz Bradsher over the past few years. (And no, I am not a Hayfield or West Springfield parent either). You (Clifton ES), as well as the WSHS community have been poorly represented by Bradsher. Her campaign platform was "community school" but only for her OWN vested interests . . .(white bread communities of Crosspointe, Barrington, et al. (And just to clarify, I am a Caucasian female, happily married, but totally against Bradsher's hypocrisy!). Now that you (Clifton ES) are advocating to save a "community school" she turns a deaf ear to you. I do hope you are able to overcome the School Board drift, but I am not optimistic. If you lose, you need to rally to CASHIER BRADSHER!!!!!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
LightsOn
()
Date: July 09, 2010 02:47AM
The Clifton community was really misled. Many believed Liz Bradsher. It was obviously a HORRIFIC mistake!
Also, the issue with the asbestos is it is expensive to work with (but you notice that cost doesn't get included in the disucssions). It is also a huge safety risk because there is no way to keep all of the fibers from traveling through the air and Liberty Middle and its fields are adjacent to where they want to dig to build the new school. You will notice again, though, that there was no discussion of 'safety' about that either for all of those children that will be in school while they dig to build the new school. They only discuss the facts that fit the perception they want to portray to the public.
Now they will close Clifton saying there is low enrollment and then use it as justification to say they HAVE to build a new school (on asbestos) because then there will be overcrowding. Who is going to worry about the safety of those children?!
The public should not waste their valuable time working in subcommittees for the Board and thinking that it actually matters. It is all one big pretense. With the exception of Tina Hone, Sandy Evans and Patty Reed, real facts don't matter to the rest of them. This Board has just proven that they never do anything different than what they originally planned to do. Many in Clifton now just feel completely scammed.
Also, the issue with the asbestos is it is expensive to work with (but you notice that cost doesn't get included in the disucssions). It is also a huge safety risk because there is no way to keep all of the fibers from traveling through the air and Liberty Middle and its fields are adjacent to where they want to dig to build the new school. You will notice again, though, that there was no discussion of 'safety' about that either for all of those children that will be in school while they dig to build the new school. They only discuss the facts that fit the perception they want to portray to the public.
Now they will close Clifton saying there is low enrollment and then use it as justification to say they HAVE to build a new school (on asbestos) because then there will be overcrowding. Who is going to worry about the safety of those children?!
The public should not waste their valuable time working in subcommittees for the Board and thinking that it actually matters. It is all one big pretense. With the exception of Tina Hone, Sandy Evans and Patty Reed, real facts don't matter to the rest of them. This Board has just proven that they never do anything different than what they originally planned to do. Many in Clifton now just feel completely scammed.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
hsparent
()
Date: July 09, 2010 07:25AM
If you are concerned about safety, what about the contaminated well water?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: July 09, 2010 07:29AM
KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> Kids have been going there for years
> and no one has died yet. The asbestos is BS.
They really should be worried about the radon levels in the county schools. If I were a teacher, I'd bring one of those cheap radon tests to work. They've already found radon in the Clifton wells ( http://www.fcps.edu/news/documents/CLIFTONELEMENTARYSCHOOLFEASIBILITYSTUDYUPDATE041410_2_.pdf )
Back in 1987, there was a story in the Post about the radon problem in schools (Radon Found in Schools; Levels May Be Harmful at 5 Va. Facilities
The Washington Post | October 1, 1987)
You just know that problem is bigger than 5 schools and that the 'fix' was to just wait until everyone forgot about the problem.
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> Kids have been going there for years
> and no one has died yet. The asbestos is BS.
They really should be worried about the radon levels in the county schools. If I were a teacher, I'd bring one of those cheap radon tests to work. They've already found radon in the Clifton wells ( http://www.fcps.edu/news/documents/CLIFTONELEMENTARYSCHOOLFEASIBILITYSTUDYUPDATE041410_2_.pdf )
Back in 1987, there was a story in the Post about the radon problem in schools (Radon Found in Schools; Levels May Be Harmful at 5 Va. Facilities
The Washington Post | October 1, 1987)
You just know that problem is bigger than 5 schools and that the 'fix' was to just wait until everyone forgot about the problem.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
well is fine
()
Date: July 09, 2010 11:46AM
hsparent Wrote:
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> If you are concerned about safety, what about the
> contaminated well water?
The well was tested, and Dean Tisdadt produced the results last night, saying the results are satisfactory and the well is viable and no longer a concern.
It didn't matter. Liz Bradsher did everything in her power to ensure that Clifton Elementary would close! She is the biggest piece of shit on the School Board, claiming that she represented Clifton! She never once represented Clifton or this community. Unless you live in South County, you can forget Liz Bradsher doing her job to represent the Springfield District.
WSHS, you better start organizing your troops with SOAR, because if you're counting on Liz to get your school renovated, you're in trouble. During this entire process, she said one thing, and then turned around and did the exact opposite! If she's telling you she will get your school renovated, don't hold your breath!
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> If you are concerned about safety, what about the
> contaminated well water?
The well was tested, and Dean Tisdadt produced the results last night, saying the results are satisfactory and the well is viable and no longer a concern.
It didn't matter. Liz Bradsher did everything in her power to ensure that Clifton Elementary would close! She is the biggest piece of shit on the School Board, claiming that she represented Clifton! She never once represented Clifton or this community. Unless you live in South County, you can forget Liz Bradsher doing her job to represent the Springfield District.
WSHS, you better start organizing your troops with SOAR, because if you're counting on Liz to get your school renovated, you're in trouble. During this entire process, she said one thing, and then turned around and did the exact opposite! If she's telling you she will get your school renovated, don't hold your breath!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Jack
()
Date: July 09, 2010 11:57AM
Clifton ES will be closed. It's small, run down and the wells are contaminated. We will save money by building a new school.
Now to all you prima-donna wanna-be rich Cliftonites - stop your whining!
Now to all you prima-donna wanna-be rich Cliftonites - stop your whining!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Liz needs to go
()
Date: July 09, 2010 12:02PM
well is fine Wrote:
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> hsparent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you are concerned about safety, what about
> the
> > contaminated well water?
>
>
> The well was tested, and Dean Tisdadt produced the
> results last night, saying the results are
> satisfactory and the well is viable and no longer
> a concern.
>
> It didn't matter. Liz Bradsher did everything in
> her power to ensure that Clifton Elementary would
> close! She is the biggest piece of shit on the
> School Board, claiming that she represented
> Clifton! She never once represented Clifton or
> this community. Unless you live in South County,
> you can forget Liz Bradsher doing her job to
> represent the Springfield District.
>
> WSHS, you better start organizing your troops with
> SOAR, because if you're counting on Liz to get
> your school renovated, you're in trouble. During
> this entire process, she said one thing, and then
> turned around and did the exact opposite! If
> she's telling you she will get your school
> renovated, don't hold your breath!
Liz was a Bitch, is a Bitch and always will be a Bitch.
She proved it again last night. She does not care about any kids, unless they are hers.
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> hsparent Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you are concerned about safety, what about
> the
> > contaminated well water?
>
>
> The well was tested, and Dean Tisdadt produced the
> results last night, saying the results are
> satisfactory and the well is viable and no longer
> a concern.
>
> It didn't matter. Liz Bradsher did everything in
> her power to ensure that Clifton Elementary would
> close! She is the biggest piece of shit on the
> School Board, claiming that she represented
> Clifton! She never once represented Clifton or
> this community. Unless you live in South County,
> you can forget Liz Bradsher doing her job to
> represent the Springfield District.
>
> WSHS, you better start organizing your troops with
> SOAR, because if you're counting on Liz to get
> your school renovated, you're in trouble. During
> this entire process, she said one thing, and then
> turned around and did the exact opposite! If
> she's telling you she will get your school
> renovated, don't hold your breath!
Liz was a Bitch, is a Bitch and always will be a Bitch.
She proved it again last night. She does not care about any kids, unless they are hers.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Liz
()
Date: July 09, 2010 12:18PM
Liz needs to go Wrote:
>
>
> Liz was a Bitch, is a Bitch and always will be a
> Bitch.
>
> She proved it again last night. She does not care
> about any kids, unless they are hers.
sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
If you don't like what I'm doing start a recall or something instead of wasting time complaining on this stupid board.
>
>
> Liz was a Bitch, is a Bitch and always will be a
> Bitch.
>
> She proved it again last night. She does not care
> about any kids, unless they are hers.
sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
If you don't like what I'm doing start a recall or something instead of wasting time complaining on this stupid board.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
yupper
()
Date: July 09, 2010 12:24PM
Now that Clifton ES's closure is confirmed I think we should explore new opportunities for the school site.
Another winery would be perfect there!
Another winery would be perfect there!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
CliftonParent
()
Date: July 09, 2010 12:32PM
Liz needs to go Wrote:
>
>
> Liz was a Bitch, is a Bitch and always will be a
> Bitch.
>
> She proved it again last night. She does not care
> about any kids, unless they are hers.
sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
If you don't like what I'm doing start a recall or something instead of wasting time complaining on this stupid board.
The quote above sounds more like it is Liz's child whom she was receiving advice from via email about well information. That was priceless too. She was taking advice from a child during a Board meeting on something that important and then letting the Public know that is where she was receiving the information from! That was the leadership we saw. Taking technical advice about water sampling from a child. VERY sad indeed!
>
>
> Liz was a Bitch, is a Bitch and always will be a
> Bitch.
>
> She proved it again last night. She does not care
> about any kids, unless they are hers.
sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
If you don't like what I'm doing start a recall or something instead of wasting time complaining on this stupid board.
The quote above sounds more like it is Liz's child whom she was receiving advice from via email about well information. That was priceless too. She was taking advice from a child during a Board meeting on something that important and then letting the Public know that is where she was receiving the information from! That was the leadership we saw. Taking technical advice about water sampling from a child. VERY sad indeed!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
CliftonRed
()
Date: July 09, 2010 12:39PM
You can thank heartless bitches like Liz Bradsher and Kathy Smith for this mess. They have destroyed and torn apart a community, closed down a historic institution, and above all (especially in Bradsher's case... who mind you is supposed to represent the district of Clifton as well as West Springfield, voted to close Clifton down) misrepresented the people of her district.
This really is a sad day. While there are some valid arguments as to why Clifton should be closed down, the "fixable solution" to the problem (that does not require closing the school), has been drowned out by majority of the school board's failed ability to see beyond the statistics and papers, and into the gravity of the real life circumstances. These people have torn apart a community, that has always been anchored down by its school.
In spite of all the negative talk and circumstances, I do want to extend a very large thank you to Ms. Hone, the school board member who with all her might defended Clifton Elementary and proposed a well-thought out amendment that could benefit all Fairfax County Schools as well as Clifton Elementary. Sadly, majority of the school board was too stubborn and too heartless to listen to Ms. Hone and what she had to say, and for that matter failed to listen to the Clifton Community as a whole.
This really is a sad day. While there are some valid arguments as to why Clifton should be closed down, the "fixable solution" to the problem (that does not require closing the school), has been drowned out by majority of the school board's failed ability to see beyond the statistics and papers, and into the gravity of the real life circumstances. These people have torn apart a community, that has always been anchored down by its school.
In spite of all the negative talk and circumstances, I do want to extend a very large thank you to Ms. Hone, the school board member who with all her might defended Clifton Elementary and proposed a well-thought out amendment that could benefit all Fairfax County Schools as well as Clifton Elementary. Sadly, majority of the school board was too stubborn and too heartless to listen to Ms. Hone and what she had to say, and for that matter failed to listen to the Clifton Community as a whole.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
sweet
()
Date: July 09, 2010 01:58PM
Maybe they can build a walmart or a starbucks there now!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
yupper
()
Date: July 09, 2010 02:40PM
CliftonParent Wrote:
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> Taking technical advice about
> water sampling from a child. VERY sad indeed!
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Can I put this down as a vote for a winery on the previous school grounds?
A Super Walmart at that location would rock!
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> Taking technical advice about
> water sampling from a child. VERY sad indeed!
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Can I put this down as a vote for a winery on the previous school grounds?
A Super Walmart at that location would rock!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Her record
()
Date: July 09, 2010 03:16PM
CliftonParent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz needs to go Wrote:
> >
> >
> > Liz was a Bitch, is a Bitch and always will be a
>
> > Bitch.
> >
> > She proved it again last night. She does not
> care
> > about any kids, unless they are hers.
>
> sticks and stones may break my bones, but names
> will never hurt me.
>
> If you don't like what I'm doing start a recall or
> something instead of wasting time complaining on
> this stupid board.
>
>
> The quote above sounds more like it is Liz's child
> whom she was receiving advice from via email about
> well information. That was priceless too. She
> was taking advice from a child during a Board
> meeting on something that important and then
> letting the Public know that is where she was
> receiving the information from! That was the
> leadership we saw. Taking technical advice about
> water sampling from a child. VERY sad indeed!
SOUTH COUNTY BITCH BACK ON WARPATH
Earlier in the campaign, Liz Bradsher asked me to stop calling her the "South County Bitch" on here because it wasn't necessary to use that nickname (given to her by education activists years ago) in her campaign. To give her the benefit of the doubt, I agreed to not use it again from that point forward unless something changed.
Tonight, when Liz Bradsher went up and threatened Kenton Ngo at a back to school night, she has re earned her title for the rest of this campaign and probably her entire career in politics.
Kenton tells me that Liz confronted him over the blog post this morning, showing her misleading statements. Liz said to him (and I remind all of you that Kenton is SIXTEEN) "You better watch where you step".
WHAT!!!! You just threatened a sixteen year old? What the hell is the matter with you, Liz? The last time Republicans held this seat on the school board, their member threatened the student school board member, and lost his seat over that. Apparently something is in the water in Springfield as Liz decided to restart the Springfield tradition of attacking current FCPS students.
Liz has children around Kenton's age. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE TALKED TO YOUR KIDS LIKE THIS, LIZ?
Absolutely pathetic for a woman of your age Liz, totally disgusting, and I will make sure that no one EVER hears your name mentioned without thinking of your nickname.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Liz needs to go Wrote:
> >
> >
> > Liz was a Bitch, is a Bitch and always will be a
>
> > Bitch.
> >
> > She proved it again last night. She does not
> care
> > about any kids, unless they are hers.
>
> sticks and stones may break my bones, but names
> will never hurt me.
>
> If you don't like what I'm doing start a recall or
> something instead of wasting time complaining on
> this stupid board.
>
>
> The quote above sounds more like it is Liz's child
> whom she was receiving advice from via email about
> well information. That was priceless too. She
> was taking advice from a child during a Board
> meeting on something that important and then
> letting the Public know that is where she was
> receiving the information from! That was the
> leadership we saw. Taking technical advice about
> water sampling from a child. VERY sad indeed!
SOUTH COUNTY BITCH BACK ON WARPATH
Earlier in the campaign, Liz Bradsher asked me to stop calling her the "South County Bitch" on here because it wasn't necessary to use that nickname (given to her by education activists years ago) in her campaign. To give her the benefit of the doubt, I agreed to not use it again from that point forward unless something changed.
Tonight, when Liz Bradsher went up and threatened Kenton Ngo at a back to school night, she has re earned her title for the rest of this campaign and probably her entire career in politics.
Kenton tells me that Liz confronted him over the blog post this morning, showing her misleading statements. Liz said to him (and I remind all of you that Kenton is SIXTEEN) "You better watch where you step".
WHAT!!!! You just threatened a sixteen year old? What the hell is the matter with you, Liz? The last time Republicans held this seat on the school board, their member threatened the student school board member, and lost his seat over that. Apparently something is in the water in Springfield as Liz decided to restart the Springfield tradition of attacking current FCPS students.
Liz has children around Kenton's age. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE TALKED TO YOUR KIDS LIKE THIS, LIZ?
Absolutely pathetic for a woman of your age Liz, totally disgusting, and I will make sure that no one EVER hears your name mentioned without thinking of your nickname.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
fox mill mom
()
Date: July 09, 2010 03:24PM
Are you really surprised with the votes of our school board members? Remember the West County redistricting....nothing has changed. Remember these horrendous decisions on election day. Vote them out!!!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
yupper
()
Date: July 09, 2010 04:04PM
CliftonRed Wrote:
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> They have destroyed
> and torn apart a community, closed down a historic
> institution
Get real. They shut down a costly, old and underutilized ES with contaminated wells and a declining enrollment. Clifton has not been destroyed. sheesh, what a drama queen.
-------------------------------------------------------
> They have destroyed
> and torn apart a community, closed down a historic
> institution
Get real. They shut down a costly, old and underutilized ES with contaminated wells and a declining enrollment. Clifton has not been destroyed. sheesh, what a drama queen.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
CliftonParent
()
Date: July 09, 2010 04:20PM
Yupper must work for FCPS because they clearly don't have any of their facts straight.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
JJOE
()
Date: July 09, 2010 05:04PM
So where will all the students go to school now? How far away will they have to travel to get to school?
I don't live in Clifton, but I'm surprised more residents haven't chimed in on this thread. Is the whole town really upset or just a few folks? Obviously I haven't been attending the meetings.
I don't live in Clifton, but I'm surprised more residents haven't chimed in on this thread. Is the whole town really upset or just a few folks? Obviously I haven't been attending the meetings.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
wtf
()
Date: July 09, 2010 05:08PM
yupper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> CliftonRed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They have destroyed
> > and torn apart a community, closed down a
> historic
> > institution
>
> Get real. They shut down a costly, old and
> underutilized ES with contaminated wells and a
> declining enrollment. Clifton has not been
> destroyed. sheesh, what a drama queen.
Yupper, you clearly don't have the facts and simply parrot whatever you hear out of the School Board, who only gave the facts that supported their goal - to close Clifton. The School Board, and Liz Bradsher in particular NEVER once looked beyond their ultimate goal of closing Clifton. They just screwed this entire County, and that will come to light in the coming years.
Yupper, you need to shut the fuck up and get some real, accurate facts before you try to make a point you dumb fuck!
-------------------------------------------------------
> CliftonRed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They have destroyed
> > and torn apart a community, closed down a
> historic
> > institution
>
> Get real. They shut down a costly, old and
> underutilized ES with contaminated wells and a
> declining enrollment. Clifton has not been
> destroyed. sheesh, what a drama queen.
Yupper, you clearly don't have the facts and simply parrot whatever you hear out of the School Board, who only gave the facts that supported their goal - to close Clifton. The School Board, and Liz Bradsher in particular NEVER once looked beyond their ultimate goal of closing Clifton. They just screwed this entire County, and that will come to light in the coming years.
Yupper, you need to shut the fuck up and get some real, accurate facts before you try to make a point you dumb fuck!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
WakeUp
()
Date: July 09, 2010 06:07PM
JJOE Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So where will all the students go to school now?
> How far away will they have to travel to get to
> school?
>
> I don't live in Clifton, but I'm surprised more
> residents haven't chimed in on this thread. Is
> the whole town really upset or just a few folks?
> Obviously I haven't been attending the meetings.
They are going to do a boundary study and split all the kids up between 4 or 5 schools. Surely it will be a targeted selection to boost the schools that are continually failing. That is what this was really about. Entire Southwestern portion of the County has been scammed. Thanks Liz and Kathy Smith! Just wait until all the redistricting starts. It is going to affect the elementary, middle, and high schools levels! Everyone who sat back and didn't pay attention to what just happened to Clifton Elementary is going to become acutely aware when there own kids get affected. This renovation nonsense was a bunch of BS. Wake up Fairfax! Changes are coming to your neighborhood next.
-------------------------------------------------------
> So where will all the students go to school now?
> How far away will they have to travel to get to
> school?
>
> I don't live in Clifton, but I'm surprised more
> residents haven't chimed in on this thread. Is
> the whole town really upset or just a few folks?
> Obviously I haven't been attending the meetings.
They are going to do a boundary study and split all the kids up between 4 or 5 schools. Surely it will be a targeted selection to boost the schools that are continually failing. That is what this was really about. Entire Southwestern portion of the County has been scammed. Thanks Liz and Kathy Smith! Just wait until all the redistricting starts. It is going to affect the elementary, middle, and high schools levels! Everyone who sat back and didn't pay attention to what just happened to Clifton Elementary is going to become acutely aware when there own kids get affected. This renovation nonsense was a bunch of BS. Wake up Fairfax! Changes are coming to your neighborhood next.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Rebecca
()
Date: July 09, 2010 06:19PM
What will happen when the Clifton students reach the 7th grade. Will they be sent back to Robinson, leaving all their friends and the kids they have played on sports teams with (SYA sports) since they were 5 years old? This hardly seems fair.
I've always wondered why Clifton Elementary feeds into Robinson. Centreville High School's address is CLIFTON. There are 11 traffic lights between the town of Clifton and Robinson Secondary and zero traffic lights between Clifton and Centreville High School.
Do you think the stupid school board could do something that makes sense just once?
I've always wondered why Clifton Elementary feeds into Robinson. Centreville High School's address is CLIFTON. There are 11 traffic lights between the town of Clifton and Robinson Secondary and zero traffic lights between Clifton and Centreville High School.
Do you think the stupid school board could do something that makes sense just once?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
CliftonRed
()
Date: July 09, 2010 06:51PM
From what I have heard, the districting changes everything: elementary school, middle school, and high school. Kids who would have gone to Clifton and Robinson will now go to a different elementary school and in many cases a different middle and high school then they were previously districted for. It is very sad to see a community of people split up because of the heartlessness of a board of people.
We can all thank LIZ BRADSHER who is supposed to represent the Clifton District, for voting to close Clifton Elementary down so she could instead use the renovation money to renovate West Spring Field High School (also in her district) and gain votes for when she plans to run as County Supervisor.
We can all thank LIZ BRADSHER who is supposed to represent the Clifton District, for voting to close Clifton Elementary down so she could instead use the renovation money to renovate West Spring Field High School (also in her district) and gain votes for when she plans to run as County Supervisor.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Yupper
()
Date: July 09, 2010 07:13PM
>
> Yupper, you need to shut the fuck up and get some
> real, accurate facts before you try to make a
> point you dumb fuck!
Lol, sure FCPS just has it out for poor little Clifton. Looks like all your money and influence didn't result in the wasteful outcome you sought. Btw, stfu, assails!
:p
> Yupper, you need to shut the fuck up and get some
> real, accurate facts before you try to make a
> point you dumb fuck!
Lol, sure FCPS just has it out for poor little Clifton. Looks like all your money and influence didn't result in the wasteful outcome you sought. Btw, stfu, assails!
:p
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
LRR dad
()
Date: July 09, 2010 09:11PM
Yupper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Yupper, you need to shut the fuck up and get
> some
> > real, accurate facts before you try to make a
> > point you dumb fuck!
>
>
> Lol, sure FCPS just has it out for poor little
> Clifton. Looks like all your money and influence
> didn't result in the wasteful outcome you sought.
> Btw, stfu, assails!
> :p
County residents should contact the school board folks to let them know that we support their decision to close this school. see link
http://www.savecliftonelementary.org/SEND-LETTERS-.html
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Yupper, you need to shut the fuck up and get
> some
> > real, accurate facts before you try to make a
> > point you dumb fuck!
>
>
> Lol, sure FCPS just has it out for poor little
> Clifton. Looks like all your money and influence
> didn't result in the wasteful outcome you sought.
> Btw, stfu, assails!
> :p
County residents should contact the school board folks to let them know that we support their decision to close this school. see link
http://www.savecliftonelementary.org/SEND-LETTERS-.html
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Warhawk
()
Date: July 09, 2010 09:51PM
LightsOn Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Clifton community was really misled. Many
> believed Liz Bradsher. It was obviously a
> HORRIFIC mistake!
>
> Also, the issue with the asbestos is it is
> expensive to work with (but you notice that cost
> doesn't get included in the disucssions). It is
> also a huge safety risk because there is no way to
> keep all of the fibers from traveling through the
> air and Liberty Middle and its fields are adjacent
> to where they want to dig to build the new school.
> You will notice again, though, that there was no
> discussion of 'safety' about that either for all
> of those children that will be in school while
> they dig to build the new school. They only
> discuss the facts that fit the perception they
> want to portray to the public.
>
> Now they will close Clifton saying there is low
> enrollment and then use it as justification to say
> they HAVE to build a new school (on asbestos)
> because then there will be overcrowding. Who is
> going to worry about the safety of those
> children?!
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2010 10:15PM by Warhawk.
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> The Clifton community was really misled. Many
> believed Liz Bradsher. It was obviously a
> HORRIFIC mistake!
>
> Also, the issue with the asbestos is it is
> expensive to work with (but you notice that cost
> doesn't get included in the disucssions). It is
> also a huge safety risk because there is no way to
> keep all of the fibers from traveling through the
> air and Liberty Middle and its fields are adjacent
> to where they want to dig to build the new school.
> You will notice again, though, that there was no
> discussion of 'safety' about that either for all
> of those children that will be in school while
> they dig to build the new school. They only
> discuss the facts that fit the perception they
> want to portray to the public.
>
> Now they will close Clifton saying there is low
> enrollment and then use it as justification to say
> they HAVE to build a new school (on asbestos)
> because then there will be overcrowding. Who is
> going to worry about the safety of those
> children?!
__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2010 10:15PM by Warhawk.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
beenthruthis
()
Date: July 10, 2010 07:42AM
I've been through this redistricting issue. I was a vocal participant AGAINST the entire redistricting study involving Chantilly, Westfield, South Lakes. We met with board members, gave interviews in the papers, etc. We bombarded the school board with e-mails. Everything to stop what we knew would be a disaster for our children and sense of neighborhood. Well guess what? EVERYONE IS FINE!! Kids are thriving at their new high schoools. I even see cars driving around town with 2 schools sports stickers on the back...."Oakton Field Hockey" on one side and "Seahawk Swim & Dive" on the other... or "Charger Lacrosse" and "Oakton Football"..
SO, Before we hear the big whine-fest that the kids will fall apart if they change schools.....from someone who was feeling exactly the same as you.... The kids will be fine!
SO, Before we hear the big whine-fest that the kids will fall apart if they change schools.....from someone who was feeling exactly the same as you.... The kids will be fine!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Longtimer
()
Date: July 10, 2010 11:41AM
Noticed that FCPS is now planning a new Lacey Elementary school either at or close to the site where old Masonville ES used to be located (before FCPS closed it). Maybe if the Clifton parents wait long enough, FCPS will build a new school in Clifton eventually.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
redistrictED
()
Date: July 10, 2010 04:53PM
Speak for yourself. No one is going to die of redistricting, but Floris has lost its sense of community. Many kids did go to South Lakes and are doing fine, many kids are pupil placed to Westfield, Oakton, and a few to Herndon. We have lost neighborhood high school ties and more kids are going to private schools that would have gone to the community public school if there was one.
People work outside of their communities; we are a diverse area with many religions; schools are the only common thread in our communities. When they bust up the community schools, they fragment the communities. People become more isolated and less helpful to one another and to the schools. Recent cases: Floris, Graham Road Elementary, and now Clifton.
redistrictED
beenthruthis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I've been through this redistricting issue. I was
> a vocal participant AGAINST the entire
> redistricting study involving Chantilly,
> Westfield, South Lakes. We met with board
> members, gave interviews in the papers, etc. We
> bombarded the school board with e-mails.
> Everything to stop what we knew would be a
> disaster for our children and sense of
> neighborhood. Well guess what? EVERYONE IS
> FINE!! Kids are thriving at their new high
> schoools. I even see cars driving around town
> with 2 schools sports stickers on the
> back...."Oakton Field Hockey" on one side and
> "Seahawk Swim & Dive" on the other... or "Charger
> Lacrosse" and "Oakton Football"..
>
> SO, Before we hear the big whine-fest that the
> kids will fall apart if they change
> schools.....from someone who was feeling exactly
> the same as you.... The kids will be fine!
People work outside of their communities; we are a diverse area with many religions; schools are the only common thread in our communities. When they bust up the community schools, they fragment the communities. People become more isolated and less helpful to one another and to the schools. Recent cases: Floris, Graham Road Elementary, and now Clifton.
redistrictED
beenthruthis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I've been through this redistricting issue. I was
> a vocal participant AGAINST the entire
> redistricting study involving Chantilly,
> Westfield, South Lakes. We met with board
> members, gave interviews in the papers, etc. We
> bombarded the school board with e-mails.
> Everything to stop what we knew would be a
> disaster for our children and sense of
> neighborhood. Well guess what? EVERYONE IS
> FINE!! Kids are thriving at their new high
> schoools. I even see cars driving around town
> with 2 schools sports stickers on the
> back...."Oakton Field Hockey" on one side and
> "Seahawk Swim & Dive" on the other... or "Charger
> Lacrosse" and "Oakton Football"..
>
> SO, Before we hear the big whine-fest that the
> kids will fall apart if they change
> schools.....from someone who was feeling exactly
> the same as you.... The kids will be fine!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
KeepOnTruckin
()
Date: July 11, 2010 09:15PM
Rebecca Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What will happen when the Clifton students reach
> the 7th grade. Will they be sent back to
> Robinson, leaving all their friends and the kids
> they have played on sports teams with (SYA sports)
> since they were 5 years old? This hardly seems
> fair.
>
> I've always wondered why Clifton Elementary feeds
> into Robinson. Centreville High School's address
> is CLIFTON. There are 11 traffic lights between
> the town of Clifton and Robinson Secondary and
> zero traffic lights between Clifton and
> Centreville High School.
>
> Do you think the stupid school board could do
> something that makes sense just once?
That was suggested once. Everyone bitched about how Robinson was "their school" and to split the feed at Rt. 123 would destroy their school. And then Centreville would be overcrowded of course.
As for the soon to be vacant Clifton ES site, convert it to an administrative center! We could sure use more of that. Or at least tear it down before constructing a new school so that the space will not be an issue. While at it, extend the water main. Clifton residents would probably appreshiate the water connection anyways.
-------------------------------------------------------
> What will happen when the Clifton students reach
> the 7th grade. Will they be sent back to
> Robinson, leaving all their friends and the kids
> they have played on sports teams with (SYA sports)
> since they were 5 years old? This hardly seems
> fair.
>
> I've always wondered why Clifton Elementary feeds
> into Robinson. Centreville High School's address
> is CLIFTON. There are 11 traffic lights between
> the town of Clifton and Robinson Secondary and
> zero traffic lights between Clifton and
> Centreville High School.
>
> Do you think the stupid school board could do
> something that makes sense just once?
That was suggested once. Everyone bitched about how Robinson was "their school" and to split the feed at Rt. 123 would destroy their school. And then Centreville would be overcrowded of course.
As for the soon to be vacant Clifton ES site, convert it to an administrative center! We could sure use more of that. Or at least tear it down before constructing a new school so that the space will not be an issue. While at it, extend the water main. Clifton residents would probably appreshiate the water connection anyways.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
SayWHAT?!
()
Date: July 14, 2010 05:39AM
beenthruthis:
PSA from your School Board for you...
Attachments:
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Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
FFXmom
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Date: July 15, 2010 06:51PM
Liz Bradsher is a disgrace, always has been! Unless you live in SOCO, you can forget having a representative on the School Board.
It's just too bad the people in Clifton didn't see it sooner.
It's just too bad the people in Clifton didn't see it sooner.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
Fixed
()
Date: July 16, 2010 12:39PM
FFXmom Wrote:
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> Clifton is a disgrace, always has been!
> Unless you live in SOCO, you can forget having a
> representative on the School Board.
>
> It's just too bad Liz Bradsher didn't see
> it sooner.
there, fixed!
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> Clifton is a disgrace, always has been!
> Unless you live in SOCO, you can forget having a
> representative on the School Board.
>
> It's just too bad Liz Bradsher didn't see
> it sooner.
there, fixed!
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
FFXmom
()
Date: July 16, 2010 08:50PM
so what's Clifton RED going to do about this anyway? I read about RED in the Connection long before the vote, but haven't heard anything from them since the vote. Did they give up?
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
RED4
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Date: July 16, 2010 09:01PM
Absolutely not. You'll be hearing something again.
Re: FCPS School Board poised to cut out heart of National Historic District Town of Clifton!
Posted by:
RD
()
Date: July 16, 2010 11:14PM
FFXmom Wrote:
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> so what's Clifton RED going to do about this
> anyway? I read about RED in the Connection long
> before the vote, but haven't heard anything from
> them since the vote. Did they give up?
No. They'll be back. Stay posted. FYI - The most active FFXU thread on this topic right now is the one called 'FCPS votes on Clifton Elementary’s Future 7/8/2010'
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> so what's Clifton RED going to do about this
> anyway? I read about RED in the Connection long
> before the vote, but haven't heard anything from
> them since the vote. Did they give up?
No. They'll be back. Stay posted. FYI - The most active FFXU thread on this topic right now is the one called 'FCPS votes on Clifton Elementary’s Future 7/8/2010'