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12. Or, to put it in football perspective, the offense plus the punter.
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$25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
lost again
()
Date: June 10, 2010 12:16PM
There is a rumor running around that one of the FCPS Elementary Schools spent $25,000 on Hand Bells for use in the school's music program. Seems rather excessive and uncalled for during a time where FPCS is asking parents to come up with a $100 'fee' per sport for high school kids.
Has anybody else heard this story?
Please, no "Cow Bell" metaphors.
Has anybody else heard this story?
Please, no "Cow Bell" metaphors.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Shalom!
()
Date: June 10, 2010 12:31PM
25 grand is pretty cheap for a complete set of handbells. You're looking at 75-100 grand for a top of the line professional set that a university handbell choir would use.
Are you upset that they're spending this amount of money on music and not a sport? Music is an academic subject. Would you be this mad if they spent 25,000 dollars for chemistry books?
Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular activities, and are not part of the core cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty cheap considering what the school system is paying for them. Just to recertify a football helmet it cost almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in the early 90's., This has to be done every single year, to every single helmet that is worn by every single FCPS football player. 70 kids per school playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high schools with football programs. And that's just the helmets. Which can only be used by one student. How many students can use the handbells in a handbell choir?
Are you upset that they're spending this amount of money on music and not a sport? Music is an academic subject. Would you be this mad if they spent 25,000 dollars for chemistry books?
Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular activities, and are not part of the core cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty cheap considering what the school system is paying for them. Just to recertify a football helmet it cost almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in the early 90's., This has to be done every single year, to every single helmet that is worn by every single FCPS football player. 70 kids per school playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high schools with football programs. And that's just the helmets. Which can only be used by one student. How many students can use the handbells in a handbell choir?
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
DingDong
()
Date: June 10, 2010 12:36PM
Shalom! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 25 grand is pretty cheap for a complete set of
> handbells. You're looking at 75-100 grand for a
> top of the line professional set that a university
> handbell choir would use.
>
> Are you upset that they're spending this amount of
> money on music and not a sport? Music is an
> academic subject. Would you be this mad if they
> spent 25,000 dollars for chemistry books?
>
> Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular
> activities, and are not part of the core
> cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty cheap
> considering what the school system is paying for
> them. Just to recertify a football helmet it cost
> almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in the
> early 90's., This has to be done every single
> year, to every single helmet that is worn by every
> single FCPS football player. 70 kids per school
> playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high
> schools with football programs. And that's just
> the helmets. Which can only be used by one
> student. How many students can use the handbells
> in a handbell choir?
ok, really, how many kids are going to actually play on these handbells? send them to church where they can ring all the bells they want with out the tax payer having to pay for the bells and for the years of maintenance to keep the bells free of grubby little handprints.
-------------------------------------------------------
> 25 grand is pretty cheap for a complete set of
> handbells. You're looking at 75-100 grand for a
> top of the line professional set that a university
> handbell choir would use.
>
> Are you upset that they're spending this amount of
> money on music and not a sport? Music is an
> academic subject. Would you be this mad if they
> spent 25,000 dollars for chemistry books?
>
> Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular
> activities, and are not part of the core
> cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty cheap
> considering what the school system is paying for
> them. Just to recertify a football helmet it cost
> almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in the
> early 90's., This has to be done every single
> year, to every single helmet that is worn by every
> single FCPS football player. 70 kids per school
> playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high
> schools with football programs. And that's just
> the helmets. Which can only be used by one
> student. How many students can use the handbells
> in a handbell choir?
ok, really, how many kids are going to actually play on these handbells? send them to church where they can ring all the bells they want with out the tax payer having to pay for the bells and for the years of maintenance to keep the bells free of grubby little handprints.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
lost again
()
Date: June 10, 2010 12:42PM
12. Or, to put it in football perspective, the offense plus the punter.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Shalom!
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:04PM
DingDong Wrote:
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> ok, really, how many kids are going to actually
> play on these handbells? send them to church
> where they can ring all the bells they want with
> out the tax payer having to pay for the bells and
> for the years of maintenance to keep the bells
> free of grubby little handprints.
What if they are Jewish? I've never been to temple with a handbell choir. So only the christian students can participate. Do the Muslim students get to do handbell choirs at their mosques?
The discrimination lawsuits that FCPS is going to be facing will cost a whole lot more than the 25K they are spending on a handbell choir.
Since you're a racist and don't take other cultures and religions into perspective before spouting off, let's perpetuate the stereotypes. How good of a lawyer is FCPS going to be getting in a lawsuit against the Jews? We control the banks and media, so it should go without saying that all the jewish (ie: good) lawyers are working with each other, so you're going to get someone who went to a caribbean law school to defend the county. So FCPS will definately lose any court battle, and will shell out 19.7 million dollars for damages.
I'm glad that you put an excessive amount of effort into thinking about this. It makes keeping the conspiracy going much easier than it was with the romans or the greeks.
-------------------------------------------------------
> ok, really, how many kids are going to actually
> play on these handbells? send them to church
> where they can ring all the bells they want with
> out the tax payer having to pay for the bells and
> for the years of maintenance to keep the bells
> free of grubby little handprints.
What if they are Jewish? I've never been to temple with a handbell choir. So only the christian students can participate. Do the Muslim students get to do handbell choirs at their mosques?
The discrimination lawsuits that FCPS is going to be facing will cost a whole lot more than the 25K they are spending on a handbell choir.
Since you're a racist and don't take other cultures and religions into perspective before spouting off, let's perpetuate the stereotypes. How good of a lawyer is FCPS going to be getting in a lawsuit against the Jews? We control the banks and media, so it should go without saying that all the jewish (ie: good) lawyers are working with each other, so you're going to get someone who went to a caribbean law school to defend the county. So FCPS will definately lose any court battle, and will shell out 19.7 million dollars for damages.
I'm glad that you put an excessive amount of effort into thinking about this. It makes keeping the conspiracy going much easier than it was with the romans or the greeks.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Bells
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:12PM
ringa-ling-ding-ding-dong
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Bruce Dickenson
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:17PM
More cowbell...er I mean HANDBELL!
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Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Making_stuff
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:27PM
Hand bells add an reverent, hallowed sound to good wind and/or string orchestras, especially on the high school level. It's really stirring to hear them added into the flow of the music. For students to be able to hear what the hand bells sound like when accentuating different parts of the music and adding to the excitement of performing as a whole, I'd say the $25,000 is well-invested.
On top of that, I'd bet that most hand bell sets - along with a lot of the other percussion instruments - will probably be maintained well beyond their average high school life expectancy. Band directors get a LOT out of their pit instruments. This is likely a $25,000 investment that will last 30 years or more.
On top of that, I'd bet that most hand bell sets - along with a lot of the other percussion instruments - will probably be maintained well beyond their average high school life expectancy. Band directors get a LOT out of their pit instruments. This is likely a $25,000 investment that will last 30 years or more.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
lost again
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:34PM
It is an ELEMENTARY School. 10, 11, and 12 year olds. Still think they'll last for 30 years? - how about 2?
OBTW, the high school doesn't have a bell choir.
OBTW, the high school doesn't have a bell choir.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:44PM
My parents had to buy my recorder in Elementary School and later in Jr High they had to pay to rent the saxophone I unsuccessfully tried to learn to play.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
lost again
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:45PM
Shalom! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular
> activities, and are not part of the core
> cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty cheap
> considering what the school system is paying for
> them. Just to recertify a football helmet it cost
> almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in the
> early 90's., This has to be done every single
> year, to every single helmet that is worn by every
> single FCPS football player. 70 kids per school
> playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high
> schools with football programs. And that's just
> the helmets. Which can only be used by one
> student. How many students can use the handbells
> in a handbell choir?
Take a look at the budget. FCPS isn't paying for the equipment costs. The school athletic boosters are. Even before the $100 fee I was already forking over about $400/year in "fund raising" to the boosters.
Oh, and that is on top of the $30 per month that I was already paying to rent a violin for my other kid in Elementary school. So you can assume that I do support music as part of the curriculum. What I don't support are extravagant expenditures to launch new programs that benefit only a few in times where there isn't enough money to maintain the status quo.
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular
> activities, and are not part of the core
> cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty cheap
> considering what the school system is paying for
> them. Just to recertify a football helmet it cost
> almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in the
> early 90's., This has to be done every single
> year, to every single helmet that is worn by every
> single FCPS football player. 70 kids per school
> playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high
> schools with football programs. And that's just
> the helmets. Which can only be used by one
> student. How many students can use the handbells
> in a handbell choir?
Take a look at the budget. FCPS isn't paying for the equipment costs. The school athletic boosters are. Even before the $100 fee I was already forking over about $400/year in "fund raising" to the boosters.
Oh, and that is on top of the $30 per month that I was already paying to rent a violin for my other kid in Elementary school. So you can assume that I do support music as part of the curriculum. What I don't support are extravagant expenditures to launch new programs that benefit only a few in times where there isn't enough money to maintain the status quo.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
JEW
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:51PM
Shalom! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> DingDong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ok, really, how many kids are going to actually
> > play on these handbells? send them to church
> > where they can ring all the bells they want
> with
> > out the tax payer having to pay for the bells
> and
> > for the years of maintenance to keep the bells
> > free of grubby little handprints.
>
>
> What if they are Jewish? I've never been to
> temple with a handbell choir. So only the
> christian students can participate. Do the Muslim
> students get to do handbell choirs at their
> mosques?
>
> The discrimination lawsuits that FCPS is going to
> be facing will cost a whole lot more than the 25K
> they are spending on a handbell choir.
>
> Since you're a racist and don't take other
> cultures and religions into perspective before
> spouting off, let's perpetuate the stereotypes.
> How good of a lawyer is FCPS going to be getting
> in a lawsuit against the Jews? We control the
> banks and media, so it should go without saying
> that all the jewish (ie: good) lawyers are working
> with each other, so you're going to get someone
> who went to a caribbean law school to defend the
> county. So FCPS will definately lose any court
> battle, and will shell out 19.7 million dollars
> for damages.
>
> I'm glad that you put an excessive amount of
> effort into thinking about this. It makes keeping
> the conspiracy going much easier than it was with
> the romans or the greeks.
Anybody can go to a church and play bells. What do you think the Boy Scouts of America make all the Jews and Muslims meet outside of the church while the Christian Boy Scouts meet inside. It does not matter if you have or have not a religion...churches are happy to have anyone participate in music and other programs. So stop your over thinking and bellyaching.
-------------------------------------------------------
> DingDong Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ok, really, how many kids are going to actually
> > play on these handbells? send them to church
> > where they can ring all the bells they want
> with
> > out the tax payer having to pay for the bells
> and
> > for the years of maintenance to keep the bells
> > free of grubby little handprints.
>
>
> What if they are Jewish? I've never been to
> temple with a handbell choir. So only the
> christian students can participate. Do the Muslim
> students get to do handbell choirs at their
> mosques?
>
> The discrimination lawsuits that FCPS is going to
> be facing will cost a whole lot more than the 25K
> they are spending on a handbell choir.
>
> Since you're a racist and don't take other
> cultures and religions into perspective before
> spouting off, let's perpetuate the stereotypes.
> How good of a lawyer is FCPS going to be getting
> in a lawsuit against the Jews? We control the
> banks and media, so it should go without saying
> that all the jewish (ie: good) lawyers are working
> with each other, so you're going to get someone
> who went to a caribbean law school to defend the
> county. So FCPS will definately lose any court
> battle, and will shell out 19.7 million dollars
> for damages.
>
> I'm glad that you put an excessive amount of
> effort into thinking about this. It makes keeping
> the conspiracy going much easier than it was with
> the romans or the greeks.
Anybody can go to a church and play bells. What do you think the Boy Scouts of America make all the Jews and Muslims meet outside of the church while the Christian Boy Scouts meet inside. It does not matter if you have or have not a religion...churches are happy to have anyone participate in music and other programs. So stop your over thinking and bellyaching.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Bells
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:53PM
lost again Wrote:
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> Oh, and that is on top of the $30 per month that I
> was already paying to rent a violin for my other
> kid in Elementary school.
Look around on the internet, you can buy fairly nice new violins for as little as $100. I've seen 4/4's for as little as $80.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Oh, and that is on top of the $30 per month that I
> was already paying to rent a violin for my other
> kid in Elementary school.
Look around on the internet, you can buy fairly nice new violins for as little as $100. I've seen 4/4's for as little as $80.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
CLW
()
Date: June 10, 2010 02:55PM
lost again Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shalom! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular
> > activities, and are not part of the core
> > cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty
> cheap
> > considering what the school system is paying
> for
> > them. Just to recertify a football helmet it
> cost
> > almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in
> the
> > early 90's., This has to be done every single
> > year, to every single helmet that is worn by
> every
> > single FCPS football player. 70 kids per
> school
> > playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high
> > schools with football programs. And that's
> just
> > the helmets. Which can only be used by one
> > student. How many students can use the
> handbells
> > in a handbell choir?
>
> Take a look at the budget. FCPS isn't paying for
> the equipment costs. The school athletic boosters
> are. Even before the $100 fee I was already
> forking over about $400/year in "fund raising" to
> the boosters.
>
The best part of it is...the Athletic Boosters don't have to account for anything. They can use the money for whatever they want...whether it is new uniforms for the fabulous soccer team every year or pizza dinners for every single football player after every practice.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shalom! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular
> > activities, and are not part of the core
> > cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty
> cheap
> > considering what the school system is paying
> for
> > them. Just to recertify a football helmet it
> cost
> > almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in
> the
> > early 90's., This has to be done every single
> > year, to every single helmet that is worn by
> every
> > single FCPS football player. 70 kids per
> school
> > playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high
> > schools with football programs. And that's
> just
> > the helmets. Which can only be used by one
> > student. How many students can use the
> handbells
> > in a handbell choir?
>
> Take a look at the budget. FCPS isn't paying for
> the equipment costs. The school athletic boosters
> are. Even before the $100 fee I was already
> forking over about $400/year in "fund raising" to
> the boosters.
>
The best part of it is...the Athletic Boosters don't have to account for anything. They can use the money for whatever they want...whether it is new uniforms for the fabulous soccer team every year or pizza dinners for every single football player after every practice.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Making_stuff
()
Date: June 10, 2010 03:07PM
lost again Wrote:
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> It is an ELEMENTARY School. 10, 11, and 12 year
> olds. Still think they'll last for 30 years? -
> how about 2?
>
> OBTW, the high school doesn't have a bell choir.
I actually do rescind what I said earlier, mostly because I realized I was thinking about these:
...and not these:
The hand bells will walk out the door in kids' backpacks, unfortunately.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is an ELEMENTARY School. 10, 11, and 12 year
> olds. Still think they'll last for 30 years? -
> how about 2?
>
> OBTW, the high school doesn't have a bell choir.
I actually do rescind what I said earlier, mostly because I realized I was thinking about these:
...and not these:
The hand bells will walk out the door in kids' backpacks, unfortunately.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
b
()
Date: June 10, 2010 03:14PM
JEW Wrote:
> Anybody can go to a church and play bells. What
> do you think the Boy Scouts of America make all
> the Jews and Muslims meet outside of the church
> while the Christian Boy Scouts meet inside. It
> does not matter if you have or have not a
> religion...
Oh really? When I was in boy scouts I was asked to leave because I told the scoutmaster I was an athiest. 12th point of the scout law...
I think handbells for an elementary school general music class are a fantastic investment and will last for a very long time and teach a lot to a huge number of kids. They'll teach a lot about timing and rhythm and playing your part in a team. It's a wonderful idea.
> Anybody can go to a church and play bells. What
> do you think the Boy Scouts of America make all
> the Jews and Muslims meet outside of the church
> while the Christian Boy Scouts meet inside. It
> does not matter if you have or have not a
> religion...
Oh really? When I was in boy scouts I was asked to leave because I told the scoutmaster I was an athiest. 12th point of the scout law...
I think handbells for an elementary school general music class are a fantastic investment and will last for a very long time and teach a lot to a huge number of kids. They'll teach a lot about timing and rhythm and playing your part in a team. It's a wonderful idea.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: June 10, 2010 04:10PM
I'm usually the first person to stick up for any sort of musical education in schools, but...
$25,000 for handbells does seem a little excessive for an elementary school-level band
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$25,000 for handbells does seem a little excessive for an elementary school-level band
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Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
()
Date: June 11, 2010 01:41AM
Shalom! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 25 grand is pretty cheap for a complete set of
> handbells. You're looking at 75-100 grand for a
> top of the line professional set that a university
> handbell choir would use.
>
> Are you upset that they're spending this amount of
> money on music and not a sport? Music is an
> academic subject. Would you be this mad if they
> spent 25,000 dollars for chemistry books?
>
> Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular
> activities, and are not part of the core
> cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty cheap
> considering what the school system is paying for
> them. Just to recertify a football helmet it cost
> almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in the
> early 90's., This has to be done every single
> year, to every single helmet that is worn by every
> single FCPS football player. 70 kids per school
> playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high
> schools with football programs. And that's just
> the helmets. Which can only be used by one
> student. How many students can use the handbells
> in a handbell choir?
What do you mean by a "complete set"? How the hell can hand bells cost thousands of dollars, for one school? What a rip-off.
==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
-------------------------------------------------------
> 25 grand is pretty cheap for a complete set of
> handbells. You're looking at 75-100 grand for a
> top of the line professional set that a university
> handbell choir would use.
>
> Are you upset that they're spending this amount of
> money on music and not a sport? Music is an
> academic subject. Would you be this mad if they
> spent 25,000 dollars for chemistry books?
>
> Keep in mind, sports are Extracurricular
> activities, and are not part of the core
> cirriculum. 100 dollars per sport is pretty cheap
> considering what the school system is paying for
> them. Just to recertify a football helmet it cost
> almost 100 dollars back when i was coaching in the
> early 90's., This has to be done every single
> year, to every single helmet that is worn by every
> single FCPS football player. 70 kids per school
> playing varsity and junior varsity. 29 high
> schools with football programs. And that's just
> the helmets. Which can only be used by one
> student. How many students can use the handbells
> in a handbell choir?
What do you mean by a "complete set"? How the hell can hand bells cost thousands of dollars, for one school? What a rip-off.
==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Rumor Buster
()
Date: June 12, 2010 08:30PM
This post says that "there is a rumor that one of the FCPS Elementary Schools spent 25K on handbells". First of all---this is a rumor by your own admission. Secondly, you have not identified the elementary school. So far this is just hearsay. I don't think you should start hysteria over handbells before you get the facts. So far we just have a rumor.
I am sure that elementary schools do not have 25K in their music budgets. The FCPS high school (where my son is a band member) has to do fundraising every year just to get about 30K to maintain the instruments and pay for supplies. The parents pay $75 for the kid to be in band (that's a county required fee in case you overburdened sports parents are wondering). And that's just the beginning of how much it costs. Students must rent a tuxedo or buy a dress, buy or rent their instrument, and pay for repairs on said instrument. Beyond that, there are lessons that cost money. No tax money is spent on this. Think about all of this the next time the band plays at the football game or the pep assembly or in the homecoming parade or at your graduation ceremony next week (or the 4th of July parades and community events for that matter). Think of what it would be like without that music.
Maybe the PTA is paying for those handbells, but I am 99% certain the music teacher has nothing near this kind of a budget. Maybe the parents did fundraising for it (good for them) or maybe (gasp) it was a donation from a church that is getting new handbells. Maybe the rumor is that they are worth 25K. Whatever is going on here, get the story right and give the details before you cause drama. FCPS schools do receive donations all the time---thanks to generous people in the community---be careful before you start attacking.
I am sure that elementary schools do not have 25K in their music budgets. The FCPS high school (where my son is a band member) has to do fundraising every year just to get about 30K to maintain the instruments and pay for supplies. The parents pay $75 for the kid to be in band (that's a county required fee in case you overburdened sports parents are wondering). And that's just the beginning of how much it costs. Students must rent a tuxedo or buy a dress, buy or rent their instrument, and pay for repairs on said instrument. Beyond that, there are lessons that cost money. No tax money is spent on this. Think about all of this the next time the band plays at the football game or the pep assembly or in the homecoming parade or at your graduation ceremony next week (or the 4th of July parades and community events for that matter). Think of what it would be like without that music.
Maybe the PTA is paying for those handbells, but I am 99% certain the music teacher has nothing near this kind of a budget. Maybe the parents did fundraising for it (good for them) or maybe (gasp) it was a donation from a church that is getting new handbells. Maybe the rumor is that they are worth 25K. Whatever is going on here, get the story right and give the details before you cause drama. FCPS schools do receive donations all the time---thanks to generous people in the community---be careful before you start attacking.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Snapple
()
Date: June 12, 2010 08:38PM
At Chantilly there was an "engineering systems" lab that people said cost more than $100K. The books were full of errors, half the shit wouldn't work and the class was full of apathetic seniors. We ended up using the computers to play Unreal Tournament. It was fun.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Firrat
()
Date: June 12, 2010 09:20PM
Snapple Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> At Chantilly there was an "engineering systems"
> lab that people said cost more than $100K. The
> books were full of errors, half the shit wouldn't
> work and the class was full of apathetic seniors.
> We ended up using the computers to play Unreal
> Tournament. It was fun.
Thats what happen's when you hire moron's who can give 2 shits about the budget and purchase un-required things at an unbelievable price thinking it's their daddy's credit card. Most of the youth can care less about the world around them. The youth of today is way too busy with all the technology, fashion, parties, clubs etc. etc. that it creates a dangerous situation for them in the future since they are not aware.
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> At Chantilly there was an "engineering systems"
> lab that people said cost more than $100K. The
> books were full of errors, half the shit wouldn't
> work and the class was full of apathetic seniors.
> We ended up using the computers to play Unreal
> Tournament. It was fun.
Thats what happen's when you hire moron's who can give 2 shits about the budget and purchase un-required things at an unbelievable price thinking it's their daddy's credit card. Most of the youth can care less about the world around them. The youth of today is way too busy with all the technology, fashion, parties, clubs etc. etc. that it creates a dangerous situation for them in the future since they are not aware.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
foxtrot
()
Date: June 12, 2010 09:48PM
Do you mean that most of the morons that are hired are generation Xers who used their daddy's credit card? Jack Dale himself looks a little older than that (but maybe he had a sugar daddy anyway).
I think those big spending days are (hopefully) over for good. The engineering lab certainly sounds like excessive spending---was that part of the "Academy" there? I'm curious because there were absolutely no cuts proposed for the Academies in this year's budget (and those are not cheap places). In case you aren't aware, the "Academies" have programs for high schoolers (kids are bused to them---and they include things like dental hygiene, construction, nursing, animal care, culinary arts, dance, TV production, advanced Korean, cosmetology, computer languages, etc. These are nice to have, but not required for a diploma. I think the schools with academies on their properties are Edison, Chantilly, Fairfax, and West Potomac. I'm not completely sure.
I think those big spending days are (hopefully) over for good. The engineering lab certainly sounds like excessive spending---was that part of the "Academy" there? I'm curious because there were absolutely no cuts proposed for the Academies in this year's budget (and those are not cheap places). In case you aren't aware, the "Academies" have programs for high schoolers (kids are bused to them---and they include things like dental hygiene, construction, nursing, animal care, culinary arts, dance, TV production, advanced Korean, cosmetology, computer languages, etc. These are nice to have, but not required for a diploma. I think the schools with academies on their properties are Edison, Chantilly, Fairfax, and West Potomac. I'm not completely sure.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Brandon
()
Date: June 12, 2010 10:16PM
When I was attending Braddock elementary, computers were just becoming popular and the librarian had the school purchase all this new expensive software for the few we had. The librarian was too stupid to not lockup all the stuff when she wasn't using it. During the back to school night, she had it out on display, and somebody stole all the software.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Johnny Walker
()
Date: June 12, 2010 10:32PM
foxtrot Wrote:
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> In case you aren't aware, the
> "Academies" have programs for high schoolers (kids
> are bused to them---and they include things like
> dental hygiene, construction, nursing, animal
> care, culinary arts, dance, TV production,
> advanced Korean, cosmetology, computer languages,
> etc. These are nice to have, but not required for
> a diploma.
Quite a few of those you could take directly to a decent job or could be a good start towards starting towards a decent career that maybe doesn't involve 4 years of college so I don't really have much problem with a lot of these.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2010 10:33PM by Johnny Walker.
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> In case you aren't aware, the
> "Academies" have programs for high schoolers (kids
> are bused to them---and they include things like
> dental hygiene, construction, nursing, animal
> care, culinary arts, dance, TV production,
> advanced Korean, cosmetology, computer languages,
> etc. These are nice to have, but not required for
> a diploma.
Quite a few of those you could take directly to a decent job or could be a good start towards starting towards a decent career that maybe doesn't involve 4 years of college so I don't really have much problem with a lot of these.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2010 10:33PM by Johnny Walker.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
foxtrot
()
Date: June 13, 2010 11:54AM
Yes, but the question is: When money is tight, what should the taxpayer be subsidizing---job training or basic education or what? You can go to NOVA and get lots of this training (albeit you have to pay for some of that and maybe you should if you benefit by getting a better job). Vocational schools and apprenticeships are other ways to get the training. These are the decisions the public is going to have to start making if the money isn't flowing in. I do think things like GT busing and sports (and some other things) should be considered more optional than these academies however. It's a question of priorities when the money isn't there.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
someone not you
()
Date: June 13, 2010 12:20PM
That is ridiculous for an elementary school but I'd bet it is a baseless rumor. I'd contact the school.
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
Hugo Stones
()
Date: June 13, 2010 01:10PM
He**'s Bells with hand bells. I'd like to know how much the county paid for that 8 foot tall, 8 foot wide boulder that was dropped at Gunston Elementary last week. I was going by there and there was a flat bed and a crane there with a small crowd of onlookers watching as the huge boulder was lowered into place on the school grounds. I'm hoping it was a donation......
Re: $25,000 for Hand Bells?
Posted by:
foxtrot
()
Date: June 13, 2010 04:12PM
I'll bet the PTSA paid for that boulder. That's exactly the kind of thing they like to do (and that is not county money---it's all from parents and fund raising). Of course that doesn't mean a rock was a good way to spend it, but those decisions are made by a group of moms with rocks in their heads.