Should we follow the lead of a California city?

http://www.ocregister.com/news/city-249397-immigration-mansoor.html

Enforce the law as it exists? What a fucking novel idea.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Wow, a city in Califa actually doing that? It's a miracle I tell ya'!

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

Warhawk Wrote:
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> Enforce the law as it exists? What a fucking
> novel idea.


whoa there buddy, we need all our boys in blue catching the real criminals... speeders.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

or the facetious
Citizen Identification Print Please?

FUNNIEST THING EVER:
is that California ALREADY HAS the same language as the Arizona law
on their state statutes:

"Califonia PENAL CODE SECTION 833-851.90

834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.

(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:

(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanentresident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.

(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited."

Here's the EXACT LINK all you Sheeple: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=833-851.90

ArizonaRulz Wrote:
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> FUNNIEST THING EVER:
> is that California ALREADY HAS the same language
> as the Arizona law
> on their state statutes:
>
> "Califonia PENAL CODE SECTION 833-851.90
>
> 834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in
> California shall fully cooperate with the United
> States Immigration and Naturalization Service
> regarding any person who is arrested if he or she
> is suspected of being present in the United States
> in violation of federal immigration laws.
>
> (b) With respect to any such person who is
> arrested, and suspected of being present in the
> United States in violation of federal immigration
> laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the
> following:
>
> (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such
> person as a citizen of the United States, an alien
> lawfully admitted as a permanentresident, an alien
> lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time
> or as an alien who is present in the United States
> in violation of immigration laws. The verification
> process may include, but shall not be limited to,
> questioning the person regarding his or her date
> and place of birth, and entry into the United
> States, and demanding documentation to indicate
> his or her legal status.
>
> (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent
> status as an alien who is present in the United
> States in violation of federal immigration laws
> and inform him or her that, apart from any
> criminal justice proceedings, he or she must
> either obtain legal status or leave the United
> States.
>
> (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and
> the United States Immigration and Naturalization
> Service of the apparent illegal status and provide
> any additional information that may be requested
> by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative,
> administrative, or other action by a city, county,
> or other legally authorized local governmental
> entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law
> enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the
> cooperation required by subdivision (a) is
> expressly prohibited."
>
> Here's the EXACT LINK all you Sheeple:
> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sect
> ion=pen&group=00001-01000&file=833-851.90


+100

Doesn't Matter Wrote:
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> ArizonaRulz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Here's the EXACT LINK all you Sheeple:
> >
> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sect
>
> > ion=pen&group=00001-01000&file=833-851.90
>
>
> +100

+1900 your +100

Gonads & Strife Wrote:
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> Doesn't Matter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ArizonaRulz Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > > Here's the EXACT LINK all you Sheeple:
> > >
> >
> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sect
>
> >
> > > ion=pen&group=00001-01000&file=833-851.90
> >
> >
> > +100
>
> +1900 your +100


-2000 your ghey post

Someone is butt-hurt over my previous comment I see. Always nice to add another troll to my collection :)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/20/2010 08:16AM by Gonads & Strife.

ArizonaRulz Wrote:
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> FUNNIEST THING EVER:
> is that California ALREADY HAS the same language
> as the Arizona law
> on their state statutes:
>
> "Califonia PENAL CODE SECTION 833-851.90
>
> 834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in
> California shall fully cooperate with the United
> States Immigration and Naturalization Service
> regarding any person who is arrested if he or she
> is suspected of being present in the United States
> in violation of federal immigration laws.
>
> (b) With respect to any such person who is
> arrested, and suspected of being present in the
> United States in violation of federal immigration
> laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the
> following:
>
> (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such
> person as a citizen of the United States, an alien
> lawfully admitted as a permanentresident, an alien
> lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time
> or as an alien who is present in the United States
> in violation of immigration laws. The verification
> process may include, but shall not be limited to,
> questioning the person regarding his or her date
> and place of birth, and entry into the United
> States, and demanding documentation to indicate
> his or her legal status.
>
> (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent
> status as an alien who is present in the United
> States in violation of federal immigration laws
> and inform him or her that, apart from any
> criminal justice proceedings, he or she must
> either obtain legal status or leave the United
> States.
>
> (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and
> the United States Immigration and Naturalization
> Service of the apparent illegal status and provide
> any additional information that may be requested
> by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative,
> administrative, or other action by a city, county,
> or other legally authorized local governmental
> entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law
> enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the
> cooperation required by subdivision (a) is
> expressly prohibited."
>
> Here's the EXACT LINK all you Sheeple:
> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?sect
> ion=pen&group=00001-01000&file=833-851.90

Christ you're a fucking moron. The law you've quoted only applies to people who are already in custody. The Arizona law does include prisoners but it also allows the police force to stop people on the street and ask for proof of legal residence.

Basically, it gives the police in Arizona the equivalent "Let me see your papers" that you'll get in Russia.

What is there not to like in THIS language?

FROM THE ARIZONA LAW: { link: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/05/full-text-arizona-illegal-immigration-law-jan-brewer.html }

For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person. Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released. The person’s immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 united states code section 1373(c). ****** A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may NOT solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona constitution. ******* A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. A valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.

********** Hey Boredom, whose the f'n moron now? **************

from the LA TIMES:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/01/nation/la-na-arizona-immigration-20100501

Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law
Legislators ban race from being used by police as a factor to identify illegal immigrants and require scrutiny only of people who police stop, detain or arrest.

YOU WANT TO CALL SOMEONE OUT ON THIS LAW, QUOTE THE LAW.
DON'T MAKE UP SPOOKY SHIT ABOUT RUSSIA. TYPICAL LIBERAL SCARE TACTICS.
SHOW ME IN THE LAW THE WORD "RUSSIA" OR THE WORD "UNDOCUMENTED" OR THE WORD "MEXICAN".
THEY ARE NOT THERE, YOU PIECE OF EXCREMENT.

ArizonaRulz Wrote:
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> YOU WANT TO CALL SOMEONE OUT ON THIS LAW, QUOTE
> THE LAW.
> DON'T MAKE UP SPOOKY SHIT ABOUT RUSSIA. TYPICAL
> LIBERAL SCARE TACTICS.
> SHOW ME IN THE LAW THE WORD "RUSSIA" OR THE WORD
> "UNDOCUMENTED" OR THE WORD "MEXICAN".
> THEY ARE NOT THERE, YOU PIECE OF EXCREMENT.
Attachments:

Here's some bad immigration law:

************ From http://www.sbsun.com/columnists/ci_3767570
MEXICO TREATS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN ITS MIDST HARSHLY

As thousands - perhaps millions - of Latinos prepare for the latest grand-scale demonstration aimed at expanding the rights of illegal immigrants in the United States, some of their critics are finding the whole situation a bit ironic.

After all, if a group of illegal immigrants living south of the border took to the streets in a similar protest, they'd be breaking Mexican law. There, the constitution bars noncitizens from participating in any public political demonstration.

In fact, Mexican law contains several provisions that are notably tough on illegal immigration.

Mexico's constitution and its General Population Act - its main law addressing immigration - include some of the very elements that protesters in the United States are fighting to defeat before they become law in this country.

Those include provisions that make it a felony to be an illegal immigrant and allow for local police to aid immigration authorities in making arrests...

***********
From http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/04/28/20100428wedlets282.html
“Having traveled into Mexico last year to various cities on the Baja Peninsula, a distance of more than 1,000 miles round-trip, we were stopped more than 20 times at various checkpoints. At most of those stops, we were told to exit the vehicle and we were subjected to rigorous inspections. Where does Mexican President Felipe Calderón get off with his hypocritical outrage at our Senate Bill 1070?”

*************
From http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/04/28/how_mexico_treats_illegal_aliens?page=full&comments=true

"As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico's southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn't respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun. "

C'MON BOREDOM, WHERES YOUR SOURCES, ARTICLES, AND FACTS?

@ArizonaRulz, are you a complete fucking idiot?

You said that the California law was identical to the Arizona law, which it is not. The Arizona version also allows police to run the same immigration status checks on people who have not been arrested, whereas the California law requires that the person already be in custody.

So thanks for posting the law and some shit about Mexico, but your first statement is still incorrect and you're still a fucking moron.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/20/2010 03:07PM by boredom.

Gonads & Strife Wrote:
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> ArizonaRulz Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > YOU WANT TO CALL SOMEONE OUT ON THIS LAW, QUOTE
> > THE LAW.
> > DON'T MAKE UP SPOOKY SHIT ABOUT RUSSIA.
> TYPICAL
> > LIBERAL SCARE TACTICS.
> > SHOW ME IN THE LAW THE WORD "RUSSIA" OR THE
> WORD
> > "UNDOCUMENTED" OR THE WORD "MEXICAN".
> > THEY ARE NOT THERE, YOU PIECE OF EXCREMENT.


You think that shit's spooky? Try the NAZI comparisons: "Show me sie papers du Jew!"



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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

No ticket...

BOREDOM IS GOOD AT SLINGING INSULTS,
BUT NOT SO GOOD AT BACKING UP HIS POSITIONS WITH FACTS AND FIGURES.

HERE IS WHERE I AM HOPING FAIRFAX COUNTY IS HEADED:

From: http://www.ocregister.com/news/city-249397-immigration-mansoor.html

Costa Mesa, CA: A “rule of law” community

COSTA MESA – The City Council made it clear Tuesday night that people who are in the country illegally are not welcome in their city.
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A federal agent is assigned to the Costa Mesa jail to check the immigration status of arrestees. Mayor Allan Mansoor says more needs to be done to crack down on illegal immigrants.

Council members voted to pass a resolution declaring Costa Mesa a "Rule of Law City" at the behest of Mayor Allan Mansoor, who has long been known as a vocal opponent of illegal immigration.

"I have a lot of concerns with cities calling themselves sanctuary cities," Mansoor said before the vote. "It's important we state that we do not support illegal immigration."

Mansoor's proposal was met with comments from five public speakers, all of whom criticized it. Some said the declaration would paint the city in a bad light and polarize the community. Others called the resolution a political move by Mansoor in his bid for the state Assembly.

boredom - I realize it is chic to call people morons, but you indeed have described the Arizona law incorrectly.

It does not authorize law enforcement to stop people in the street. What it does is require law enforcement, AFTER a lawful law enforcement stop or contact, to inquire about immigration status if a reasonable suspicion exists. While not in custody, citizens stopped by the police in the conduct of a lawful detention or arrest are not free to leave either.

One might have a point regarding the potential for abuse of this law by law enforcement, that is NOT the point that you have attempted to make. (I have some sympathy for this perspective). It is not helpful to call people idiots when you mischaracterize the law. Cheers.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> You think that shit's spooky? Try the NAZI
> comparisons: "Show me sie papers du Jew!"
>

Papers are so inconvenient. Can't we use more modern technology?

While tatoos were effective in the 30s and early 40s, wouldn't it be better now to just implant a scannable microchip in everyone?