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Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Jim'sBestBuddy
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Date: May 12, 2009 07:12AM
From Guantanamo to Alexandria
By Jim Moran
Saturday, May 9, 2009
Obama administration officials say a final decision has not been made about where to relocate the 241 foreign nationals being held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and/or where to put them on trial. Such public statements, though, have not stopped rumors about which federal prisons or military brigs might be used to house the detainees. Indeed, the Keep Terrorists Out of America Act introduced this week and other legislation seek to prevent detainees from being sent to certain states or taxpayer funds from being spent to transfer Guantanamo detainees to U.S. soil. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said recently that he expects 535 bills, one for each senator and House member, to be introduced before a decision is made.
Some of the speculation has focused on the Albert V. Bryan U.S. Courthouse and Detention Center in Alexandria, which is in the district I represent in Congress.
First, let's be clear: President Obama and Sen. John McCain both pledged last year to close the Guantanamo facility because they recognized that the United States is governed by the rule of law and defined by our embrace of universal human rights. Indefinitely detaining individuals without charge violates the most basic principle of habeas corpus, greatly damages our international reputation, and fuels both terrorist recruitment and anti-American sentiment.
While closing Guantanamo would go a long way toward removing this stain on our national character, the decision to do so was the easy part. What to do with the detainees who remain of the more than 700 sent there since 2001 is much more difficult.
Like those in any other congressional districts, we Virginians would rather not have terrorism suspects held and tried in our back yard. Should some of the detainees at Guantanamo be sent to the Alexandria courthouse, there is no question that people in the immediate vicinity -- more than 10,000 residents and workers during business hours -- would be affected. The strain on local law enforcement and other public safety officers would be significant. The media attention following such a decision would probably generate public outrage in some circles over safety concerns, regardless of the security measures implemented.
Often, though, doing the right thing is neither popular nor convenient.
By and large, Alexandrians are civic-minded people and are ready to do their duty if it serves the greater good. They have shown this public spirit time and again. The "20th hijacker," Zacarias Moussaoui, who participated in planning the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon, was held and prosecuted in the Alexandria courthouse. Others who have been brought to justice in the court include the "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh; Beltway sniper John Allen Muhammad; and spies Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames.
In each case, Alexandria demonstrated the kind of courage and patriotism that can be traced to the city's roots as the home town of George Washington and Robert E. Lee.
Taking the easy route and joining the chorus of those crying "not in my back yard" is appealing. But that's not the Alexandria I know and have represented in Congress for nearly 20 years. Even before that, I served as mayor of the city, and I am confident that if asked to step forward, Alexandria would demonstrate resolve for a higher purpose, echoing John F. Kennedy's call to accept the challenge presented because it is what happens to be right and good for our nation.
Trying the accused, no matter how heinous the accusation, in a fair and transparent judicial procedure will reestablish our international moral authority and thus strengthen our national security.
Let there be no mistake: I'm not advocating for this burden. If there are more suitable locations in which to try the detainees, it would be a relief to all in this area.
But should President Obama determine that Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate chapter of American history, I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines and carrying the load required so that the American values of justice and the rule of law are not overridden but, rather, respected and honored, as is our heritage as a great nation.
The writer, a Democrat, represents Virginia's 8th District in the U.S. House.
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By Jim Moran
Saturday, May 9, 2009
Obama administration officials say a final decision has not been made about where to relocate the 241 foreign nationals being held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and/or where to put them on trial. Such public statements, though, have not stopped rumors about which federal prisons or military brigs might be used to house the detainees. Indeed, the Keep Terrorists Out of America Act introduced this week and other legislation seek to prevent detainees from being sent to certain states or taxpayer funds from being spent to transfer Guantanamo detainees to U.S. soil. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said recently that he expects 535 bills, one for each senator and House member, to be introduced before a decision is made.
Some of the speculation has focused on the Albert V. Bryan U.S. Courthouse and Detention Center in Alexandria, which is in the district I represent in Congress.
First, let's be clear: President Obama and Sen. John McCain both pledged last year to close the Guantanamo facility because they recognized that the United States is governed by the rule of law and defined by our embrace of universal human rights. Indefinitely detaining individuals without charge violates the most basic principle of habeas corpus, greatly damages our international reputation, and fuels both terrorist recruitment and anti-American sentiment.
While closing Guantanamo would go a long way toward removing this stain on our national character, the decision to do so was the easy part. What to do with the detainees who remain of the more than 700 sent there since 2001 is much more difficult.
Like those in any other congressional districts, we Virginians would rather not have terrorism suspects held and tried in our back yard. Should some of the detainees at Guantanamo be sent to the Alexandria courthouse, there is no question that people in the immediate vicinity -- more than 10,000 residents and workers during business hours -- would be affected. The strain on local law enforcement and other public safety officers would be significant. The media attention following such a decision would probably generate public outrage in some circles over safety concerns, regardless of the security measures implemented.
Often, though, doing the right thing is neither popular nor convenient.
By and large, Alexandrians are civic-minded people and are ready to do their duty if it serves the greater good. They have shown this public spirit time and again. The "20th hijacker," Zacarias Moussaoui, who participated in planning the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon, was held and prosecuted in the Alexandria courthouse. Others who have been brought to justice in the court include the "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh; Beltway sniper John Allen Muhammad; and spies Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames.
In each case, Alexandria demonstrated the kind of courage and patriotism that can be traced to the city's roots as the home town of George Washington and Robert E. Lee.
Taking the easy route and joining the chorus of those crying "not in my back yard" is appealing. But that's not the Alexandria I know and have represented in Congress for nearly 20 years. Even before that, I served as mayor of the city, and I am confident that if asked to step forward, Alexandria would demonstrate resolve for a higher purpose, echoing John F. Kennedy's call to accept the challenge presented because it is what happens to be right and good for our nation.
Trying the accused, no matter how heinous the accusation, in a fair and transparent judicial procedure will reestablish our international moral authority and thus strengthen our national security.
Let there be no mistake: I'm not advocating for this burden. If there are more suitable locations in which to try the detainees, it would be a relief to all in this area.
But should President Obama determine that Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate chapter of American history, I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines and carrying the load required so that the American values of justice and the rule of law are not overridden but, rather, respected and honored, as is our heritage as a great nation.
The writer, a Democrat, represents Virginia's 8th District in the U.S. House.
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
hmm
()
Date: May 12, 2009 07:36PM
*sigh*....Negros......
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: May 12, 2009 07:45PM
Jim'sBestBuddy Wrote:
> I am confident that
> Alexandrians will stand strong as they always
> have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their
> spines and carrying the load required so that the
> American values of justice and the rule of law are
> not overridden but, rather, respected and honored,
Great. As if this area doesn't already have a big enough bull-eye printed on it. Why not ship them off to Alaska? or Guam or Wake Island?
> I am confident that
> Alexandrians will stand strong as they always
> have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their
> spines and carrying the load required so that the
> American values of justice and the rule of law are
> not overridden but, rather, respected and honored,
Great. As if this area doesn't already have a big enough bull-eye printed on it. Why not ship them off to Alaska? or Guam or Wake Island?
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Jim'sBestBuddy
()
Date: May 12, 2009 08:24PM
trogdor! Wrote:
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> Jim'sBestBuddy Wrote:
> > I am confident that
> > Alexandrians will stand strong as they always
> > have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their
> > spines and carrying the load required so that
> the
> > American values of justice and the rule of law
> are
> > not overridden but, rather, respected and
> honored,
>
>
> Great. As if this area doesn't already have a big
> enough bull-eye printed on it. Why not ship them
> off to Alaska? or Guam or Wake Island?
Or, why not just leave them where they are? Or possible Great Falls,
next door to Jimmy?
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> Jim'sBestBuddy Wrote:
> > I am confident that
> > Alexandrians will stand strong as they always
> > have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their
> > spines and carrying the load required so that
> the
> > American values of justice and the rule of law
> are
> > not overridden but, rather, respected and
> honored,
>
>
> Great. As if this area doesn't already have a big
> enough bull-eye printed on it. Why not ship them
> off to Alaska? or Guam or Wake Island?
Or, why not just leave them where they are? Or possible Great Falls,
next door to Jimmy?
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WingNut
()
Date: May 12, 2009 10:01PM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
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WingNut
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Date: May 12, 2009 10:08PM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Mofo
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Date: May 12, 2009 11:38PM
Zacarias Moussaoui was detained there for a long time when his trials went on. But I agree whey should all be tried in Alaska. Or bumfuck Texas, Texas loves prisons and has a shitload of places for them.
Moussaoui is now in a Supermax in Colorado btw.
Moussaoui is now in a Supermax in Colorado btw.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
MrMephisto
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Date: May 13, 2009 02:01AM
Hahaha... his name is "Moran."
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Steve Wilhite
()
Date: May 13, 2009 08:32AM
Moran is a complete horse's ass yet you people keep re-electing him.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: May 13, 2009 08:47AM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 13, 2009 08:54AM
I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who talk a good fight against terrorism when somebody else has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of conservatives throughout the ages...now cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
Border Security is CHEAPER Than Wars
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 13, 2009 08:58AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who talk
> a good fight against terrorism when somebody else
> has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of
> conservatives throughout the ages...now
> cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
GO kiss Lynne Stewart and advocate the legalization of heroin, you brain damaged self-parody..
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> I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who talk
> a good fight against terrorism when somebody else
> has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of
> conservatives throughout the ages...now
> cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
GO kiss Lynne Stewart and advocate the legalization of heroin, you brain damaged self-parody..
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
fairfaxdude
()
Date: May 13, 2009 09:01AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who talk
> a good fight against terrorism when somebody else
> has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of
> conservatives throughout the ages...now
> cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
I'd vote for a makeshift court in Vinny's kitchen. He could boast about "doing his part", and Alexandria would be largely unaffected. Besides, a few more police and security types in Culmore wouldn't even be noticed much.
Vinny, get out that hot plate and make some mac & cheese for the jury, beee-atch.
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> I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who talk
> a good fight against terrorism when somebody else
> has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of
> conservatives throughout the ages...now
> cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
I'd vote for a makeshift court in Vinny's kitchen. He could boast about "doing his part", and Alexandria would be largely unaffected. Besides, a few more police and security types in Culmore wouldn't even be noticed much.
Vinny, get out that hot plate and make some mac & cheese for the jury, beee-atch.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: May 13, 2009 09:04AM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Bull Connor
()
Date: May 13, 2009 09:45AM
I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who talk a good fight against terrorism when somebody else has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of conservatives throughout the ages...now cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
And they love you too you illiterate imbecile.
And they love you too you illiterate imbecile.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 13, 2009 01:34PM
Kowards!
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
laughingsam
()
Date: May 13, 2009 02:30PM
"Let there be no mistake: I'm not advocating for this burden. If there are more suitable locations in which to try the detainees, it would be a relief to all in this area."
lol, sounds like the opposite of NEEDS, to me...
more it sounds like he's trying to get folks ready to accept that alexandria's one of the places most likely high on a list of potential sites.
but don't let that stop your fear mongering.
lol, sounds like the opposite of NEEDS, to me...
more it sounds like he's trying to get folks ready to accept that alexandria's one of the places most likely high on a list of potential sites.
but don't let that stop your fear mongering.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: May 13, 2009 02:52PM
I actually agree with Vince on this one. Let them host the terrorists in an Alexandria jail. Who gives a shit? If one of them escapes, the proximity to the DC metro area will prompt a quicker and more decisive response than if they escaped in, say, Kansas.
What is everyone afraid of? More terrorist attacks?
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WashingTone Locian
()
Date: May 13, 2009 03:23PM
Anyone who thinks having these guys in the slammer in Alexandria makes NoVA a bigger target than being the home of the fucking Pentagon is a fucking idiot!
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: May 13, 2009 04:31PM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Popeye
()
Date: May 13, 2009 04:59PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who talk
> a good fight against terrorism when somebody else
> has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of
> conservatives throughout the ages...now
> cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
Excuse me, but I believe the most vocal opposition to having "guests" in
Alexandria is coming from the residents near the ADC. This, as I recall,
is a HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC AREA so hooze da "cowards"
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> I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who talk
> a good fight against terrorism when somebody else
> has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of
> conservatives throughout the ages...now
> cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
Excuse me, but I believe the most vocal opposition to having "guests" in
Alexandria is coming from the residents near the ADC. This, as I recall,
is a HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC AREA so hooze da "cowards"
Border Security is CHEAPER Than Wars
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 13, 2009 05:11PM
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idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 13, 2009 05:35PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Kowards!
a quality rebuttal that is just the thing an intelligent debate demands.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> Kowards!
a quality rebuttal that is just the thing an intelligent debate demands.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 13, 2009 07:11PM
Popeye Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who
> talk
> > a good fight against terrorism when somebody
> else
> > has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of
> > conservatives throughout the ages...now
> > cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
>
> Excuse me, but I believe the most vocal opposition
> to having "guests" in
> Alexandria is coming from the residents near the
> ADC. This, as I recall,
> is a HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC AREA so hooze da "cowards"
I was responding to the poster of the thread...and the accusation that Jim Moran was some how negligent in his duties. If local Alexandria residents are objecting...then to the degree they have never served their country in the military..or do not have a family member in the military...as was the case with the previous republican administration..they too are chicken hawks.
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love all these chicken-hawk republikans who
> talk
> > a good fight against terrorism when somebody
> else
> > has to sacrafice....but just like the cries of
> > conservatives throughout the ages...now
> > cry...."not in my backyard"! Cowards.
>
> Excuse me, but I believe the most vocal opposition
> to having "guests" in
> Alexandria is coming from the residents near the
> ADC. This, as I recall,
> is a HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC AREA so hooze da "cowards"
I was responding to the poster of the thread...and the accusation that Jim Moran was some how negligent in his duties. If local Alexandria residents are objecting...then to the degree they have never served their country in the military..or do not have a family member in the military...as was the case with the previous republican administration..they too are chicken hawks.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 13, 2009 07:15PM
And here is what Moran actually said...
Let there be no mistake: I'm not advocating for this burden. If there are more suitable locations in which to try the detainees, it would be a relief to all in this area.
But should President Obama determine that Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate chapter of American history, I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines and carrying the load required so that the American values of justice and the rule of law are not overridden but, rather, respected and honored, as is our heritage as a great nation.
Not exactly the headline banner posted by Jimsbestbuddy
Let there be no mistake: I'm not advocating for this burden. If there are more suitable locations in which to try the detainees, it would be a relief to all in this area.
But should President Obama determine that Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate chapter of American history, I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines and carrying the load required so that the American values of justice and the rule of law are not overridden but, rather, respected and honored, as is our heritage as a great nation.
Not exactly the headline banner posted by Jimsbestbuddy
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 13, 2009 08:30PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I really dont care if you delete every comment I
> make on here...or ban me for life.
awesome.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> I really dont care if you delete every comment I
> make on here...or ban me for life.
awesome.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Chloe
()
Date: May 13, 2009 09:10PM
Fortunately Jack Bauer is in town and if he lives through the next week should have some free time to take care of any issues that arise from Jim Moran's offer to house terrorists in Alexandria.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: May 13, 2009 11:27PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I actually agree with Vince on this one. Let
> them
> > host the terrorists in an Alexandria jail. Who
> > gives a shit? If one of them escapes, the
> > proximity to the DC metro area will prompt a
> > quicker and more decisive response than if they
> > escaped in, say, Kansas.
> >
> > What is everyone afraid of? More terrorist
> > attacks?
>
> Dude, I can't let you agree w/ Vince. The reason
> there aren't many high-security institutions in
> the middle of cities is because of the proximity
> to populations. If it's easy for someone to drive
> right up to the front gate of a place or if an
> escapee could jump into a cab or a subway with
> ease, it's too close to town. Now if the lockup is
> on the outskirts of Fargo where a Middle Easterner
> may be rare or the terrain requires extreme
> conditioning, it's better.Better for security, and
> the lonely terroristos won't get many visits.
>
> There's been quite a few cases ( a few in VA even)
> where prisoners escaped and then exhausted
> themselves because the compound was miles from
> anything but bugs and wildlife.
>
> Plus, make it a longer road game for the dickhead
> protestors who'll inevitable show up with their
> street theater and faggish "civil disobedience,
> man" Imagine how Bush would've fared if the
> Crawford Ranch had been in Vienna??
The root of my opinion is, "terrorism" is trying to change a peoples' lives through fear. It doesn't matter how many we kill or incarcerate; if we're scared of them, they achieved their goals. Personally, I think it's just another great reason to carry a concealed weapon.
Agreeing with Vince made me feel dirty, and I apologize for any sensibilities I may have offended.
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I actually agree with Vince on this one. Let
> them
> > host the terrorists in an Alexandria jail. Who
> > gives a shit? If one of them escapes, the
> > proximity to the DC metro area will prompt a
> > quicker and more decisive response than if they
> > escaped in, say, Kansas.
> >
> > What is everyone afraid of? More terrorist
> > attacks?
>
> Dude, I can't let you agree w/ Vince. The reason
> there aren't many high-security institutions in
> the middle of cities is because of the proximity
> to populations. If it's easy for someone to drive
> right up to the front gate of a place or if an
> escapee could jump into a cab or a subway with
> ease, it's too close to town. Now if the lockup is
> on the outskirts of Fargo where a Middle Easterner
> may be rare or the terrain requires extreme
> conditioning, it's better.Better for security, and
> the lonely terroristos won't get many visits.
>
> There's been quite a few cases ( a few in VA even)
> where prisoners escaped and then exhausted
> themselves because the compound was miles from
> anything but bugs and wildlife.
>
> Plus, make it a longer road game for the dickhead
> protestors who'll inevitable show up with their
> street theater and faggish "civil disobedience,
> man" Imagine how Bush would've fared if the
> Crawford Ranch had been in Vienna??
The root of my opinion is, "terrorism" is trying to change a peoples' lives through fear. It doesn't matter how many we kill or incarcerate; if we're scared of them, they achieved their goals. Personally, I think it's just another great reason to carry a concealed weapon.
Agreeing with Vince made me feel dirty, and I apologize for any sensibilities I may have offended.
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Mofo
()
Date: May 13, 2009 11:59PM
Yeah it's a city jail but they have a contract to house fed prisoners. If they get convicted they'll likely end up in the
United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility (ADX) in Florence, Colorado where we house all the special fed prisoners.
United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility (ADX) in Florence, Colorado where we house all the special fed prisoners.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
trogdor!
()
Date: May 14, 2009 12:01AM
Oh look, Little Brian Moran is going to ride the fence on this one, since he's running for governor. Just like a politician.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/14/morans-divided-on-detainees/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/14/morans-divided-on-detainees/
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: May 14, 2009 01:21AM
i have no problem with them bringing them to the area, so long as the guards dont make the situation go all pear shaped.
Mofo Wrote:
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> Yeah it's a city jail but they have a contract to
> house fed prisoners. If they get convicted they'll
> likely end up in the
>
> United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum
> Facility (ADX) in Florence, Colorado where we
> house all the special fed prisoners.
Supermax FTW! \o/
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2009 01:24AM by Gravis.
Mofo Wrote:
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> Yeah it's a city jail but they have a contract to
> house fed prisoners. If they get convicted they'll
> likely end up in the
>
> United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum
> Facility (ADX) in Florence, Colorado where we
> house all the special fed prisoners.
Supermax FTW! \o/
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2009 01:24AM by Gravis.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Alias
()
Date: May 14, 2009 02:32AM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 14, 2009 07:11AM
All you Vince haters should be happy to see I was deleted again by Gravis. Of course he thinks he is cute...in actuality he is afraid of any debate where he cant control the jist of the discussion. He not me is the Hugo Chavez of FFXU.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 14, 2009 07:15AM
Gravis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Kowards!
>
> a quality rebuttal that is just the thing an
> intelligent debate demands.
>
>
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Kowards!
>
> a quality rebuttal that is just the thing an
> intelligent debate demands.
>
>
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 14, 2009 07:19AM
n
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2009 07:20AM by Vince(1).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2009 07:20AM by Vince(1).
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 14, 2009 07:22AM
Jim'sBestBuddy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> From Guantanamo to Alexandria
>
> By Jim Moran
> Saturday, May 9, 2009
>
> Obama administration officials say a final
> decision has not been made about where to relocate
> the 241 foreign nationals being held at the
> Guantanamo Bay detention facility and/or where to
> put them on trial. Such public statements, though,
> have not stopped rumors about which federal
> prisons or military brigs might be used to house
> the detainees. Indeed, the Keep Terrorists Out of
> America Act introduced this week and other
> legislation seek to prevent detainees from being
> sent to certain states or taxpayer funds from
> being spent to transfer Guantanamo detainees to
> U.S. soil. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said
> recently that he expects 535 bills, one for each
> senator and House member, to be introduced before
> a decision is made.
>
> Some of the speculation has focused on the Albert
> V. Bryan U.S. Courthouse and Detention Center in
> Alexandria, which is in the district I represent
> in Congress.
>
> First, let's be clear: President Obama and Sen.
> John McCain both pledged last year to close the
> Guantanamo facility because they recognized that
> the United States is governed by the rule of law
> and defined by our embrace of universal human
> rights. Indefinitely detaining individuals without
> charge violates the most basic principle of habeas
> corpus, greatly damages our international
> reputation, and fuels both terrorist recruitment
> and anti-American sentiment.
>
> While closing Guantanamo would go a long way
> toward removing this stain on our national
> character, the decision to do so was the easy
> part. What to do with the detainees who remain of
> the more than 700 sent there since 2001 is much
> more difficult.
>
> Like those in any other congressional districts,
> we Virginians would rather not have terrorism
> suspects held and tried in our back yard. Should
> some of the detainees at Guantanamo be sent to the
> Alexandria courthouse, there is no question that
> people in the immediate vicinity -- more than
> 10,000 residents and workers during business hours
> -- would be affected. The strain on local law
> enforcement and other public safety officers would
> be significant. The media attention following such
> a decision would probably generate public outrage
> in some circles over safety concerns, regardless
> of the security measures implemented.
>
> Often, though, doing the right thing is neither
> popular nor convenient.
>
> By and large, Alexandrians are civic-minded people
> and are ready to do their duty if it serves the
> greater good. They have shown this public spirit
> time and again. The "20th hijacker," Zacarias
> Moussaoui, who participated in planning the Sept.
> 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon, was held and
> prosecuted in the Alexandria courthouse. Others
> who have been brought to justice in the court
> include the "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh;
> Beltway sniper John Allen Muhammad; and spies
> Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames.
>
> In each case, Alexandria demonstrated the kind of
> courage and patriotism that can be traced to the
> city's roots as the home town of George Washington
> and Robert E. Lee.
>
> Taking the easy route and joining the chorus of
> those crying "not in my back yard" is appealing.
> But that's not the Alexandria I know and have
> represented in Congress for nearly 20 years. Even
> before that, I served as mayor of the city, and I
> am confident that if asked to step forward,
> Alexandria would demonstrate resolve for a higher
> purpose, echoing John F. Kennedy's call to accept
> the challenge presented because it is what happens
> to be right and good for our nation.
>
> Trying the accused, no matter how heinous the
> accusation, in a fair and transparent judicial
> procedure will reestablish our international moral
> authority and thus strengthen our national
> security.
>
> Let there be no mistake: I'm not advocating for
> this burden. If there are more suitable locations
> in which to try the detainees, it would be a
> relief to all in this area.
>
> But should President Obama determine that
> Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role
> in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the
> Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate
> chapter of American history, I am confident that
> Alexandrians will stand strong as they always
> have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their
> spines and carrying the load required so that the
> American values of justice and the rule of law are
> not overridden but, rather, respected and honored,
> as is our heritage as a great nation.
>
> The writer, a Democrat, represents Virginia's 8th
> District in the U.S. House.
>
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-------------------------------------------------------
> From Guantanamo to Alexandria
>
> By Jim Moran
> Saturday, May 9, 2009
>
> Obama administration officials say a final
> decision has not been made about where to relocate
> the 241 foreign nationals being held at the
> Guantanamo Bay detention facility and/or where to
> put them on trial. Such public statements, though,
> have not stopped rumors about which federal
> prisons or military brigs might be used to house
> the detainees. Indeed, the Keep Terrorists Out of
> America Act introduced this week and other
> legislation seek to prevent detainees from being
> sent to certain states or taxpayer funds from
> being spent to transfer Guantanamo detainees to
> U.S. soil. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said
> recently that he expects 535 bills, one for each
> senator and House member, to be introduced before
> a decision is made.
>
> Some of the speculation has focused on the Albert
> V. Bryan U.S. Courthouse and Detention Center in
> Alexandria, which is in the district I represent
> in Congress.
>
> First, let's be clear: President Obama and Sen.
> John McCain both pledged last year to close the
> Guantanamo facility because they recognized that
> the United States is governed by the rule of law
> and defined by our embrace of universal human
> rights. Indefinitely detaining individuals without
> charge violates the most basic principle of habeas
> corpus, greatly damages our international
> reputation, and fuels both terrorist recruitment
> and anti-American sentiment.
>
> While closing Guantanamo would go a long way
> toward removing this stain on our national
> character, the decision to do so was the easy
> part. What to do with the detainees who remain of
> the more than 700 sent there since 2001 is much
> more difficult.
>
> Like those in any other congressional districts,
> we Virginians would rather not have terrorism
> suspects held and tried in our back yard. Should
> some of the detainees at Guantanamo be sent to the
> Alexandria courthouse, there is no question that
> people in the immediate vicinity -- more than
> 10,000 residents and workers during business hours
> -- would be affected. The strain on local law
> enforcement and other public safety officers would
> be significant. The media attention following such
> a decision would probably generate public outrage
> in some circles over safety concerns, regardless
> of the security measures implemented.
>
> Often, though, doing the right thing is neither
> popular nor convenient.
>
> By and large, Alexandrians are civic-minded people
> and are ready to do their duty if it serves the
> greater good. They have shown this public spirit
> time and again. The "20th hijacker," Zacarias
> Moussaoui, who participated in planning the Sept.
> 11, 2001, attack on the Pentagon, was held and
> prosecuted in the Alexandria courthouse. Others
> who have been brought to justice in the court
> include the "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh;
> Beltway sniper John Allen Muhammad; and spies
> Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames.
>
> In each case, Alexandria demonstrated the kind of
> courage and patriotism that can be traced to the
> city's roots as the home town of George Washington
> and Robert E. Lee.
>
> Taking the easy route and joining the chorus of
> those crying "not in my back yard" is appealing.
> But that's not the Alexandria I know and have
> represented in Congress for nearly 20 years. Even
> before that, I served as mayor of the city, and I
> am confident that if asked to step forward,
> Alexandria would demonstrate resolve for a higher
> purpose, echoing John F. Kennedy's call to accept
> the challenge presented because it is what happens
> to be right and good for our nation.
>
> Trying the accused, no matter how heinous the
> accusation, in a fair and transparent judicial
> procedure will reestablish our international moral
> authority and thus strengthen our national
> security.
>
> Let there be no mistake: I'm not advocating for
> this burden. If there are more suitable locations
> in which to try the detainees, it would be a
> relief to all in this area.
>
> But should President Obama determine that
> Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role
> in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the
> Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate
> chapter of American history, I am confident that
> Alexandrians will stand strong as they always
> have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their
> spines and carrying the load required so that the
> American values of justice and the rule of law are
> not overridden but, rather, respected and honored,
> as is our heritage as a great nation.
>
> The writer, a Democrat, represents Virginia's 8th
> District in the U.S. House.
>
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>
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Sgt. Rock
()
Date: May 14, 2009 07:27AM
This is lunacy. GI's should just stop taking prisoners and shoot the
bastards on sight. Let Jim Moron put his ass on the line.
bastards on sight. Let Jim Moron put his ass on the line.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: May 14, 2009 11:29AM
hey everyone look at Jim's yacht!
http://powerandmotoryacht.com/megayachts/jim-moran-gallant-lady-inset.jpg
http://powerandmotoryacht.com/megayachts/jim-moran-gallant-lady-inset.jpg
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 14, 2009 11:32AM
Dwight. Wrote:
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> hey everyone look at Jim's yacht!
>
> http://powerandmotoryacht.com/megayachts/jim-moran
> -gallant-lady-inset.jpg
Are you sure? I don't think he keeps it around here.
-------------------------------------------------------
> hey everyone look at Jim's yacht!
>
> http://powerandmotoryacht.com/megayachts/jim-moran
> -gallant-lady-inset.jpg
Are you sure? I don't think he keeps it around here.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: May 14, 2009 11:33AM
i am 98% sure
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 14, 2009 11:43AM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2015 10:05PM by WingNut.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2015 10:05PM by WingNut.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Dwight.
()
Date: May 14, 2009 11:46AM
yep thats what you get when you are an American Congressmen. Money, and power!
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 14, 2009 12:18PM
ok children...Let's look at what the mean Congressman actually had to say...quoting from the original thread...
"But should President Obama determine that Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate chapter of American history, I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines and carrying the load required so that the American values of justice and the rule of law are not overridden but, rather, respected and honored, as is our heritage as a great nation."
Now isnt he the most horrific man in the entire universe? I mean actually asking americans to do something other then sending someone else's kids to get killed and wounded. How dare the bastard!
And as far as who the cowards really are....from what I can see...most of you are. Even McPissed on having to apologise for agreeing with me for once...oh..what a horrific shame...there's another word for apologising for ones views...coward!
And if the Democrats who live in Alexandria...supported a president who lied about going to war...support the war as long as someone else or someone else's kid has to go off to war...they are cowards too!
No hard feelings though..here's some flowers for you all...
Attachments:
"But should President Obama determine that Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate chapter of American history, I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines and carrying the load required so that the American values of justice and the rule of law are not overridden but, rather, respected and honored, as is our heritage as a great nation."
Now isnt he the most horrific man in the entire universe? I mean actually asking americans to do something other then sending someone else's kids to get killed and wounded. How dare the bastard!
And as far as who the cowards really are....from what I can see...most of you are. Even McPissed on having to apologise for agreeing with me for once...oh..what a horrific shame...there's another word for apologising for ones views...coward!
And if the Democrats who live in Alexandria...supported a president who lied about going to war...support the war as long as someone else or someone else's kid has to go off to war...they are cowards too!
No hard feelings though..here's some flowers for you all...
Attachments:
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
laughingsam
()
Date: May 14, 2009 12:23PM
"Imagine how Bush would've fared if the Crawford Ranch had been in Vienna??"
wait, are you saying bush was a terrorist???
wait, are you saying bush was a terrorist???
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 14, 2009 12:33PM
.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2015 10:05PM by WingNut.
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
laughingsam
()
Date: May 14, 2009 12:59PM
gotcha. i was just being a douchenozzle anyway...
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 14, 2009 02:44PM
Sam, I laugh w/ you..
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 14, 2009 03:51PM
ok children...Let's look at what the mean Congressman actually had to say...quoting from the original thread...
"But should President Obama determine that Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate chapter of American history, I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines and carrying the load required so that the American values of justice and the rule of law are not overridden but, rather, respected and honored, as is our heritage as a great nation."
Now isnt he the most horrific man in the entire universe? I mean actually asking americans to do something other then sending someone else's kids to get killed and wounded. How dare the bastard!
And as far as who the cowards really are....from what I can see...most of you are. Even McPissed on having to apologise for agreeing with me for once...oh..what a horrific shame...there's another word for apologising for ones views...coward!
And if the Democrats who live in Alexandria...supported a president who lied about going to war...support the war as long as someone else or someone else's kid has to go off to war...they are cowards too!
edit by Cary: Sorry Vince(1), but your 3 2.5MB+ images of flowers have been removed. They were an eyesore and had no relevance.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2009 09:39PM by Cary.
"But should President Obama determine that Alexandria needs to play a reasonably limited role in a nationwide effort to bring justice to the Guantanamo detainees and close this unfortunate chapter of American history, I am confident that Alexandrians will stand strong as they always have: gritting their teeth, stiffening their spines and carrying the load required so that the American values of justice and the rule of law are not overridden but, rather, respected and honored, as is our heritage as a great nation."
Now isnt he the most horrific man in the entire universe? I mean actually asking americans to do something other then sending someone else's kids to get killed and wounded. How dare the bastard!
And as far as who the cowards really are....from what I can see...most of you are. Even McPissed on having to apologise for agreeing with me for once...oh..what a horrific shame...there's another word for apologising for ones views...coward!
And if the Democrats who live in Alexandria...supported a president who lied about going to war...support the war as long as someone else or someone else's kid has to go off to war...they are cowards too!
edit by Cary: Sorry Vince(1), but your 3 2.5MB+ images of flowers have been removed. They were an eyesore and had no relevance.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2009 09:39PM by Cary.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 14, 2009 04:18PM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2015 10:05PM by WingNut.
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Alias
()
Date: May 15, 2009 12:13AM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Indaknow
()
Date: May 15, 2009 08:47AM
I love that all of these liberals wanted to close down Guantanamo...now that their beloved leader is closing it down, they are freaking out because they don't want the terrorists in their back yards. What are we supposed to do with them? Send them back to Iraq so they can blow up some more of our soldiers? The liberals wanted to close Guantanamo, now they can live with the consequences.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 15, 2009 09:00AM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2015 10:05PM by WingNut.
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 15, 2009 09:06AM
Talk about a major flip-flop. This thread started with criticism of Jim Moran saying we "need" terrorists....now it's the liberals being the cowards!
The fact is this is an issue with the republican party...who just cant wait to criticise Obama no matter what he does.
The fact is this is an issue with the republican party...who just cant wait to criticise Obama no matter what he does.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Indaknow
()
Date: May 15, 2009 09:38AM
Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Talk about a major flip-flop. This thread started
> with criticism of Jim Moran saying we "need"
> terrorists....now it's the liberals being the
> cowards!
>
> The fact is this is an issue with the republican
> party...who just cant wait to criticise Obama no
> matter what he does.
Seriously, Vince? A republican issue? The republicans are not the ones who wanted to close Guantanamo. Closing Guantanamo was a key campaign promise of Obama and whole-heartedly supported by the left. Well, if we're gonna close Guantanamo, the terrorists have to go somewhere. Since the U.S. Courthouse in Alexandria is already equipped with safety measures for high profile cases, we may as well bring 'em here. Unless you'd like to put a few of them up in your house...with your parents permission, of course
-------------------------------------------------------
> Talk about a major flip-flop. This thread started
> with criticism of Jim Moran saying we "need"
> terrorists....now it's the liberals being the
> cowards!
>
> The fact is this is an issue with the republican
> party...who just cant wait to criticise Obama no
> matter what he does.
Seriously, Vince? A republican issue? The republicans are not the ones who wanted to close Guantanamo. Closing Guantanamo was a key campaign promise of Obama and whole-heartedly supported by the left. Well, if we're gonna close Guantanamo, the terrorists have to go somewhere. Since the U.S. Courthouse in Alexandria is already equipped with safety measures for high profile cases, we may as well bring 'em here. Unless you'd like to put a few of them up in your house...with your parents permission, of course
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 15, 2009 09:41AM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 16, 2009 11:57AM
Indaknow Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Talk about a major flip-flop. This thread
> started
> > with criticism of Jim Moran saying we "need"
> > terrorists....now it's the liberals being the
> > cowards!
> >
> > The fact is this is an issue with the
> republican
> > party...who just cant wait to criticise Obama
> no
> > matter what he does.
>
>
> Seriously, Vince? A republican issue? The
> republicans are not the ones who wanted to close
> Guantanamo. Closing Guantanamo was a key campaign
> promise of Obama and whole-heartedly supported by
> the left. Well, if we're gonna close Guantanamo,
> the terrorists have to go somewhere. Since the
> U.S. Courthouse in Alexandria is already equipped
> with safety measures for high profile cases, we
> may as well bring 'em here. Unless you'd like to
> put a few of them up in your house...with your
> parents permission, of course
Im not sure where we disagree! Yes..it was a democratic campaign promise...after generating world-wide comdemnation and being a very sucessful terrorist recruitment strategy. I agree..as does Jim Moran that the Alexandria Courthouse would be a logical location to housr them.
The jist of this thread started by criticising Moran for saying Alexandria should accept them if called upon..then the same people flipped to criticise the "liberals" in ALexandria for protesting against this decision (even though no evidence was given to suggest it was liberals except to say that everyone from Alexandria is a liberal).
So in either case...at least as far as this thread goes...we seem to have republicans criticising a decision to either house or not house terrorists in ALexandria. Thus my comment that the issue is yet just another bogus republikan swipe at Obama. COntributing nothing to the solution...the party of "no"!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Talk about a major flip-flop. This thread
> started
> > with criticism of Jim Moran saying we "need"
> > terrorists....now it's the liberals being the
> > cowards!
> >
> > The fact is this is an issue with the
> republican
> > party...who just cant wait to criticise Obama
> no
> > matter what he does.
>
>
> Seriously, Vince? A republican issue? The
> republicans are not the ones who wanted to close
> Guantanamo. Closing Guantanamo was a key campaign
> promise of Obama and whole-heartedly supported by
> the left. Well, if we're gonna close Guantanamo,
> the terrorists have to go somewhere. Since the
> U.S. Courthouse in Alexandria is already equipped
> with safety measures for high profile cases, we
> may as well bring 'em here. Unless you'd like to
> put a few of them up in your house...with your
> parents permission, of course
Im not sure where we disagree! Yes..it was a democratic campaign promise...after generating world-wide comdemnation and being a very sucessful terrorist recruitment strategy. I agree..as does Jim Moran that the Alexandria Courthouse would be a logical location to housr them.
The jist of this thread started by criticising Moran for saying Alexandria should accept them if called upon..then the same people flipped to criticise the "liberals" in ALexandria for protesting against this decision (even though no evidence was given to suggest it was liberals except to say that everyone from Alexandria is a liberal).
So in either case...at least as far as this thread goes...we seem to have republicans criticising a decision to either house or not house terrorists in ALexandria. Thus my comment that the issue is yet just another bogus republikan swipe at Obama. COntributing nothing to the solution...the party of "no"!
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Skooly D
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Date: May 16, 2009 12:18PM
Moran can eat shit. FUck all politicians. 2008 presidential campaign will be the last time I ever vote.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: May 16, 2009 01:59PM
Skooly D Wrote:
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> Moran can eat shit. FUck all politicians. 2008
> presidential campaign will be the last time I ever
> vote.
Why? Certainly not this issue?
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> Moran can eat shit. FUck all politicians. 2008
> presidential campaign will be the last time I ever
> vote.
Why? Certainly not this issue?
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
inkahootz
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Date: May 17, 2009 01:25PM
How to spot a terrorist: (jk)
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
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WingNut
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Date: May 17, 2009 02:08PM
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Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
formerhick76
()
Date: May 22, 2009 11:05AM
Yep, what the Bush admin was doing was working out so well -- we just need to keep on doing it. Any departure from the Bush line is cowardice in the eyes of the 28 percenters.
Re: Moran thinks we NEED terrorists in NoVa
Posted by:
Firrat
()
Date: May 22, 2009 11:57AM
Taking the terrorists to Alaska or Texas is a bad idea.