How much do you spend in food for the month? How many kids do you have and what kind of food do you eat. Today I was reading the Washington Post, and this lady mother of 4 kids who are 13,9,6 and 9 months spends over $500 dollars in food stamps in 2 weeks. Does she just buy junk food? I don't know here

How much headroom would you have if you were feeding a person for $50 a week?

Poor people also tend to live "hand-to-mouth". They're not able to stock up during sales, and many of them can't even make the trip to supermarkets that have better prices - they're forced to do a lot of their shopping at corner markets where the prices are outrageous.

That stated, that's like $250 a week for a family of 5 (assuming baby daddy isn't around, ai-aight). That's $50 per person, per week. And considering all but the 13 year eat hardly anything then either one of four things:

1) She's lying.
2) She's guessing.
3) She's spending it on more than just those kids (think: baby daddy).
4) She's loading up at the corner store and buying excess and not even trying to find sales.

Any way you slice it, she's wasting $1,000 a month of YOUR money every week. Please keep working and sending in those taxes.

Do The Math... Wrote:
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> Poor people also tend to live "hand-to-mouth".
> They're not able to stock up during sales, and
> many of them can't even make the trip to
> supermarkets that have better prices - they're
> forced to do a lot of their shopping at corner
> markets where the prices are outrageous.

Bull shit. The county provides transportation to the stores at no cost to low income folks. They go to corner markets because they are lazy and dont want to schedule the transportation, that would make them responsible which many are not.
If a person cannot live on fifty bucks a week and that is for food only then they are not trying very hard. If you think they are just getting by then why does the fish market on Maine Ave gladly accept food stamps.

So you want them to buy good food, but you're upset that people will sell good food to them?

Whatttt Wrote:
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> So you want them to buy good food, but you're
> upset that people will sell good food to them?

Good food yes, expensive food no. If you are going to spend my money on your lazy fat ass at least make an effort to stretch the food stamp dollar. And stop buying lottery tickets, smokes and beer and you might find the extra few bucks you need to get by.

So tell Congress to change what foods can be bought to exlude chips, soda, etc. Oh wait, but that would be the government telling people what they can and cannot eat, which is only acceptable is fascist New York.

So tell Congress to change what foods can be bought to exlude chips, soda, etc. Oh wait, but that would be the government telling people what they can and cannot eat, which is only acceptable is fascist New York.

Teabaggers Wrote:
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> So tell Congress to change what foods can be
> bought to exlude chips, soda, etc. Oh wait, but
> that would be the government telling people what
> they can and cannot eat, which is only acceptable
> is fascist New York.


*what is healthy and what isn't.

Teabaggers Wrote:
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> So tell Congress to change what foods can be
> bought to exlude chips, soda, etc. Oh wait, but
> that would be the government telling people what
> they can and cannot eat, which is only acceptable
> is fascist New York.

In New York they want to tell you how you can spend your own money. Food stamps are not your own earned money, they are free from the government. You dont like the guidelines you dont have to use them. A difference you should learn before you try to make the comparison.

If it was up to me I would give these baby breeders a thousand dollar bonus at the end of each year that they didnt have a baby. Think of the savings for each kid they dont pop out when we dont have to give them extra welfare, food stamps, free meals at school and eventually have to lock them up for being criminals.

Sure we shouldnt have to bribe them to stop fucking so much but on a cost analysis it is well worth it.

If you don't like someone telling you what you can and cannot buy with the money they give you then go get a job and make your own money.

And don't tell me there are no jobs. If there were no jobs then why the hell is this country overrun with hispanics, legal and otherwise?

Pencil head Wrote:
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> If it was up to me I would give these baby
> breeders a thousand dollar bonus at the end of
> each year that they didnt have a baby. Think of
> the savings for each kid they dont pop out when we
> dont have to give them extra welfare, food stamps,
> free meals at school and eventually have to lock
> them up for being criminals.
>
> Sure we shouldnt have to bribe them to stop
> fucking so much but on a cost analysis it is well
> worth it.

That's the same logic that conservatards should apply to abortion and contraception, but something in the brain doesn't make the connection.

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You cant buy alcohol or tobacco with food stamps. Its pretty common knowledge for anybody who isn't retarded.

I know that. I just thought that image was pretty funny because of exactly what you're saying.

Yet 9/10 conservatives will see that and take it as prima Davie evidence that you can buy whatever you please and that poor people have perpetrated a grand fraud on John Q Taxpayer

How many times I have seen people using the gray credit card with "Virginia" on it. Buying frozen fast foods, TV dinners, soda, crap.

And then there are the ones at the 7-11 with the same card same kind of "food" items and pull a 50 dollar bill out and buy a phone card , go outside scratch off the number throw the card down on the street and walk off jabbering with the worlds most important conversation.??

Pitiful, I wish they either would not allow many of the things they can buy but they would get them anyway jamming the lane, taking them off the bill. By rights they should have to go to a state store stocked with real food items, chicken, ground beef,cheese, pasta, veggies, beans ect. 100 dollars of real food goes farther then 500 dollars of crap.

The bad news is this will continue till the country is bankrupt and no ones got a pot to piss in.

No More Waste Wrote:
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> How many times I have seen people using the gray
> credit card with "Virginia" on it. Buying frozen
> fast foods, TV dinners, soda, crap.
>
> And then there are the ones at the 7-11 with the
> same card same kind of "food" items and pull a 50
> dollar bill out and buy a phone card , go outside
> scratch off the number throw the card down on the
> street and walk off jabbering with the worlds most
> important conversation.??
>
> Pitiful, I wish they either would not allow many
> of the things they can buy but they would get them
> anyway jamming the lane, taking them off the bill.
> By rights they should have to go to a state store
> stocked with real food items, chicken, ground
> beef,cheese, pasta, veggies, beans ect. 100
> dollars of real food goes farther then 500 dollars
> of crap.
>
> The bad news is this will continue till the
> country is bankrupt and no ones got a pot to piss
> in.


If you are poor and require us tax-payers to foot your bills you have NO right owning a cell phone.

Hell, I didn't have one for the longest time, as a house phone was good enough for me. And a lot less expensive. Where do they get off expecting us to buy them phones and the service?

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> Yet 9/10 conservatives will see that and take it
> as prima Davie evidence that you can buy whatever
> you please and that poor people have perpetrated a
> grand fraud on John Q Taxpayer

Actually you can if you know how. I used to work at a place that had a public housing unit nearby. The residents would crowd the front of the Shoppers Food Warehouse store. They would offer to buy you food using their food stamp card.

Example: they buy you thirty dollars in seafood you give them fifteen dollars cash. You get the seafood at half price and no sales tax. They use the cash for lottery tickets and beer. Win/win except for the taxpayers.

Pencil head Wrote:
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> If it was up to me I would give these baby
> breeders a thousand dollar bonus at the end of
> each year that they didnt have a baby. Think of
> the savings for each kid they dont pop out when we
> dont have to give them extra welfare, food stamps,
> free meals at school and eventually have to lock
> them up for being criminals.
>
> Sure we shouldnt have to bribe them to stop
> fucking so much but on a cost analysis it is well
> worth it.

If it was up to me I would make them earn the money with public service, if they refuse, then no money for Pedro.
Then again, why don't we just kill all of those fucking leaches, Who the fuck would miss them?

Easy if you know how Wrote:
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> Actually you can if you know how. I used to work
> at a place that had a public housing unit nearby.
> The residents would crowd the front of the
> Shoppers Food Warehouse store. They would offer to
> buy you food using their food stamp card.
>
> Example: they buy you thirty dollars in seafood
> you give them fifteen dollars cash. You get the
> seafood at half price and no sales tax. They use
> the cash for lottery tickets and beer. Win/win
> except for the taxpayers.

Are you saying they got the seafood with their food stamps and sold it to a person for $15 and then used that money any way they wanted?

clarified? Wrote:
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> Easy if you know how Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually you can if you know how. I used to
> work
> > at a place that had a public housing unit
> nearby.
> > The residents would crowd the front of the
> > Shoppers Food Warehouse store. They would offer
> to
> > buy you food using their food stamp card.
> >
> > Example: they buy you thirty dollars in seafood
> > you give them fifteen dollars cash. You get the
> > seafood at half price and no sales tax. They
> use
> > the cash for lottery tickets and beer. Win/win
> > except for the taxpayers.
>
> Are you saying they got the seafood with their
> food stamps and sold it to a person for $15 and
> then used that money any way they wanted?

They stop you as you are going in. They ask what you are buying like steaks or seafood. They offer to buy what you want using their food stamp card. You wait outside or go in with them to pick out what you want. They go to the register and pay for the items using the snap card. Once outside they give you the food you give them cash. Its a simple process. They use the cash to go back inside and buy beer or lottery tickets which cannot be purchased with the snap card.

BS
Groceries are outlandish. Unless you eat canned beans, Mac and cheese from a box and day old bread. Look at cost of protein. Chicken, burger, chops. All expensive. Fruit? Cereal at 4 a box. It is only getting worse.

Food stamps are a supplemental program not to let you eat like a king. If you dont like getting free stuff try working and paying your own way. Its rhetoric like yours that piss working people off. You get something for free and you still bitch and moan. Lazy ass parasites.

The hot new thing liberals like to talk about are "food deserts". Food deserts are areas where the only available foods are pork rinds, fritos, kool-aid and fermented piss in a 40 ounce bottle.

"I beez livin' in a food desert, that's why I'm morbidly obese! Sheeet".

Stupid people make stupid decisions. The most popular outlet for EBT cards in Detroit is Church's Chicken. People with no self control or future time orientation go bonkers when given a card that provides "free food".

Paternalism is required for the ignorant and indigent. Take up the white man's burden and give these people actual food not cards that buy whatever crap they want.

Unhealthy food is cheap
Would you tea party zanies want a diet of beans and boxed Mac and cheese

I dont see any people in this country starving. Obamas wife lectures us that we eat too much. Her husband lectures us that Republicans are starving the poor. Which is it?

Damn Whitey! Wrote:
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> The hot new thing liberals like to talk about are
> "food deserts". Food deserts are areas where the
> only available foods are pork rinds, fritos,
> kool-aid and fermented piss in a 40 ounce bottle.
>
>
> "I beez livin' in a food desert, that's why I'm
> morbidly obese! Sheeet".
>
> Stupid people make stupid decisions. The most
> popular outlet for EBT cards in Detroit is
> Church's Chicken. People with no self control or
> future time orientation go bonkers when given a
> card that provides "free food".
>
> Paternalism is required for the ignorant and
> indigent. Take up the white man's burden and give
> these people actual food not cards that buy
> whatever crap they want.


Niggers and illegal spics..The new America That rewards lazy,non-working, baby producing illegal fucks.. Welcome to hell, embrace Hope and Change.. Please work harder to support The New America.

Tea talkers Wrote:
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> Unhealthy food is cheap
> Would you tea party zanies want a diet of beans
> and boxed Mac and cheese


That is a myth. Generally healthy food bought at the grocery store will cost much less than fast food or chips from the corner store.

Why do you encourage peoples bad decisions like this? Excuses are not helpful and only continue self destructive behavior.

Get real about this Wrote:
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> BS
> Groceries are outlandish. Unless you eat canned
> beans, Mac and cheese from a box and day old
> bread.

Yeah, they're expensive. But what's wrong with canned beans or day old bread? You can make macaroni and cheese almost as inexpensively as opening a box.

> Look at cost of protein. Chicken, burger,
> chops.

You can find inexpensive protein if you try. Get chicken thighs instead of chicken breasts. Pork chops on sale can be quite inexpensive. You can buy huge packages of pork loin at someplace like BJs and cut them into three sections, freezing two for later. Extend protein with lots of vegetables. It can be done. I do it all the time.

> All expensive. Fruit? Cereal at 4 a box.

Fruit - get what's on sale. Buy apples, not cantaloupe. Cereal - get generic, not name brand.

> It is only getting worse.

Yes, it is. But if you can't make it on $250/week for a family of four, you're doing something seriously wrong.

Food stamps should be like housing a boomerang child. You want to make sure that they are taken care of and feel reasonably content, but you don't want to make it so easy for them that they lose incentive to make it on their own.

Good examples but that would require effort, when you get something for free you generally dont appreciate it and end up wanting more.

"Unhealthy food is cheap
Would you tea party zanies want a diet of beans and boxed Mac and cheese"

Who said thats all people should be able to get with a SNAP card?

YES Foods: Chicken, ground beef,beef cuts for slow cooking, pork, fish, veggies fresh canned frozen,fruits the same, pasta, pasta sauce,peanut butter ,bread, rolls,eggs,flour,baking powder, pancake mixes and syrup cheese,spices,oil,salad dressing,canned tuna, turkey,chicken, sugar,milk, half and half,,coffee, tea, juices all fine with me,and your beans and boxed mac & cheese. You cant deal with that?

NO Steaks, shrimp.lobster,crabmeat, scallops, expensive seafoods or beef or pork cuts. TV dinners,sodas,ice cream, pop tarts, potato chips and all that other junk food.

People can buy what ever they want when its their money to spend not the states.

Tea talkers Wrote:
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> Unhealthy food is cheap
> Would you tea party zanies want a diet of beans
> and boxed Mac and cheese


that's about all that any of the rest of us will be able to afford

I love the conservative types that assume everyone who gets food stamps is lazy and evil. There are single moms working two jobs who can't afford enough food because our minimum wage is so low. The whole economy is messed up. We keep widening the gap. And it's not because people are lazy. Opportunities are not the same.

Not that freaking simple. There are few people eating lobster on food stamps.

I am looking for a tad of humanity from the ultra conservatives.

Actually, all of the African American & Latino folks I know are employeed. The white folks are the the one living off the system.

Wanna try that again, Cracker?

Not a race issue
Not a political issue

It's about hungry kids

What I say doesn't matter 2 U Wrote:
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> Actually, all of the African American & Latino
> folks I know are employeed. The white folks are
> the the one living off the system.
>
> Wanna try that again, Cracker?

Unemployment Rates by Race (over 16 all):

Black: 16%

Latino: 9%

White: 6%

Where do you live, What I Say Doesn't MAtter 2 U? Is it a parallel universe? A foreign country? Tell us about this place where whites watch Judge Joe Brown and Maury all day while the black man toils away at work.

Two things you cannot use food stamps for: vitamins and toilet paper. How does that make sense?

"Not that freaking simple. There are few people eating lobster on food stamps."

Yes and no.. Some will, and some will buy lobster and sell it for 1/2 off cash as described above. Its well known, fraud and abuse are rampant with the free food program and the ones who get hurt most are the poor folks of any color you choose who work a job that makes them just enough money they cant get the freebees and they are not eating any lobsters, shrimp, steaks or crabmeat cause they got to pay for everything they got

NO Fast Food, steaks, lobster,shrimp, ect as said..get your lazy ass hands out of my working stiff tax paying pockets.

What I say doesn't matter 2 U Wrote:
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> Actually, all of the African American & Latino
> folks I know are employeed. The white folks are
> the the one living off the system.
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Most food stacredit card) have and do know about the many different resourcesthru charities, the WIC program, with every other church offering a 'food pantry' for the taking. Many help center shelters and so onto get more than plenty of food. With the slightest knowledge about all of the resources available, no one really even needs to collect your tax dollar thru the government via the food stamp program (government) at all. ItHAS AND IS being abused and used by most, fraudulently. Mother's and in many cases with the DEAD BEAT DAD in tow, collect the food stamps, go to the help centers regionally, helping to jam up these places making it very difficult for any given honest Joe or Jane having to wait behind these types all day in a food line. Tipically, with the DEAD BEAT DAD regularly attempting to and successfully hustling the food stamp credit card off for $cash$ bucks for such amenities as usual, ILLEGAL DRUGS, BOOZE, and many other types of liesurelyexcesses the average working stiff being taxed to death can not even afford. All this, of course, is today categorized a a major felony. Fraudulating the government to rape it for your tax dollar . And you ones that do not believe the are simply fooling yourselves, or you are in simple denial because you are participating in this felonous activity withou remors/unconscionably, and it will catch up to you eventually, no doubt. Hopefully, soon, the government will somehow set up a process in place to help catch and prosecute these slimeballs. But in the meantime -

Hey, Mr. Roarke, your post is in truth proving your are a racist pig f'r! In fact, their are more latino's than any other raping the overall help system than any other group, nationwide. This iswidely known as the greatest talent the hispanic caucus first and utmost ensures they learn about when entering the country. How to get free stuff everywhere they go. From the government. The charities, etc., etc. It is literally organizedprofusely starting in their home countries. With most of them coming from 'hidden' large estates.of course, with same being in total denial of any relation to any sort of wealth in their home country's. A huge scam is in places the moment they set foot over the border with most latinos to rape the US help system for everything it has to offer. Then comes the African American, statistically, then the whites, then the asians and 'the rest'. So get your stinking racist, ignorant head out of you anus, wake up and smell the coffee, bitch!

^^^^
dude was so angry he didnt see Mr Roarke was a response to another post.

Now we're hearing today that 101,000,000 people in American (I chose those words carefully) are now getting some sort of government hand-out for food. That's more than the number who are working: 97,000,000.

The country has become like one very large HOA where half pay no dues. That same half gets to vote themselves largess from the half that are paying dues. And like any HOA where only half pay dues it will soon crumble.

barry in 2020 Wrote:
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> The country has become like one very large HOA
> where half pay no dues. That same half gets to
> vote themselves largess from the half that are
> paying dues. And like any HOA where only half pay
> dues it will soon crumble.

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Mrs Dean Wrote:
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> I love the conservative types that assume everyone
> who gets food stamps is lazy and evil. There are
> single moms working two jobs who can't afford
> enough food because our minimum wage is so low.
> The whole economy is messed up. We keep widening
> the gap. And it's not because people are lazy.
> Opportunities are not the same.
>
> Not that freaking simple. There are few people
> eating lobster on food stamps.
>
> I am looking for a tad of humanity from the ultra
> conservatives.

It's their own fucking fault they are single moms. You don't need to have a bastard child in the first place, dipshit. All it had to take is for her to keep her legs shut, and I guarantee she won't be a "single mom".

Then they could make a decent living for only herself, if for what ever reason they couldn't get a man to stay with.


Bottom line: Don't have kids if you cannot afford it! Duh!

So are you saying starve the kids Smith? Are you that heartless and cold

Swingin' through your suburb, cracker!
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When the system crashes, it will happenly quickly, the EBT cards will stop working and the moochers will no longer be able to buy their smokes and booze at the local convenience store. They'll then of course take to the streets in droves. After all they're entitled, Que an Old U2 song... I think it had Sunday in the title?

Ok, how do you feed the hungry who need our help? Someone answer this.

Some people need help. Not everyone is a bum. So give me answers you conversatives.

Food for the Hungry Wrote:
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> Ok, how do you feed the hungry who need our help?
> Someone answer this.
>
> Some people need help. Not everyone is a bum.
> So give me answers you conversatives.

Many are bums, it's a scientific fact.
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Tray von Martin Wrote:
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> Now we're hearing today that 101,000,000 people in
> American (I chose those words carefully) are now
> getting some sort of government hand-out for food.
> That's more than the number who are working:
> 97,000,000.


It would be different if employers paid their full time employees enough to make a living. Nobody who is working full time should require food assistance, and that's not something the government can do anything about aside from raising wages.

Common sense Wrote:
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> Tray von Martin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Now we're hearing today that 101,000,000 people
> in
> > American (I chose those words carefully) are
> now
> > getting some sort of government hand-out for
> food.
> > That's more than the number who are working:
> > 97,000,000.
>
>
> It would be different if employers paid their full
> time employees enough to make a living. Nobody who
> is working full time should require food
> assistance, and that's not something the
> government can do anything about aside from
> raising wages.

Ever heard of getting a night job or working some OT?

No, seems that is always out of the question for these worthless moochers.

A single mother working 60 hours or more a week? Sure it seems like a good idea but it isn't practical, especially with child care costs around here. Admit it, you have no legitimate solution and just like to whine and bitch

Common sense Wrote:
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> A single mother working 60 hours or more a week?
> Sure it seems like a good idea but it isn't
> practical, especially with child care costs around
> here. Admit it, you have no legitimate solution
> and just like to whine and bitch


All your critiques seem to blame the marketplace and infer that every employer has an obligation to pay a certain salary.

Have you taken the time to look thru every business owners books and records to determine they "can all afford to pay more"?

Hunger and pressure are great motivating factors. People who get into comfortable ruts tend to want to stay there. Sorry you are too naïve to understand this.

BTW why do liberals always use the sympathetic "single mother" canard?

So you are okay with businesses not paying more, even if they can, but not with anybody else making up the slack. You epitomize the idiotic asshole GOP that is so incompetent they wont win a national election. Single mothers are the most affected, so its relevant.

Common sense Wrote:
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> So you are okay with businesses not paying more,
> even if they can, but not with anybody else making
> up the slack. You epitomize the idiotic asshole
> GOP that is so incompetent they wont win a
> national election. Single mothers are the most
> affected, so its relevant.

Wrong.

You have no idea what this or that business can afford, you are just a jealous loser who assumes everybody with money is fucking everyone who is poor.

People who start there own businesses take risks and have ZERO MINIMUM WAGE. If things go bad, we are fucked- with the exception being Obama besties like Goldman Sachs etc.

If you think that you can just find nirvana with your 40 hours a week with no OT, no saving, no sacrifices- you are part of the problem.

I know immigrants who are working 60 and 80 hour weeks and not complaining about shit, they know it is temporary and they are happy for the opportunity.

Losers do what they want to do, winners do what they have to do.
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If you've raised a kid on your own while working 60 hours a week, good for you. If not than shut the fuck up. Republicans just cant fathom not having everything you could want, prep schools, daddy's trust fund and a Hispanic maid to clean your shit.

Bull Shit WingNut.

One huge reason we have all of this welfare crap piling up on us is that we have allowed businesses to shift their costs of doing business onto others. People need at a minimum food, shelter, clothing and a certain amount of medical care. In this area they are also going to need some form of transportation to and from work. If I am employing someone to work for me 40 hours per week, then I need to be paying them enough to cover these costs. If I don't then SOMEONE ELSE will have to make up the shortfall. Maybe that someone is a family member, maybe it's a charity or maybe it's the government. However as an employer I should have NO RIGHT to require that some third party cover my employees' costs of living just so I can acquire their labor at a lower cost.

I am not usually a fan of the "single mother" argument. However there are societal costs involved with the expectation that employees work more than 40-50 hours per week, especially when those hours become irregular. Maybe your business can make more money by having someone work 60 hours per week rather than 40. However that means my business now needs to have extended hours so that we are open when your employees are not working. Longer work hours also means less time available to maintain the house and car and to participate in community activities, meaning the neighborhoods start going to crap and more community stuff ends up being done by paid workers or a handful of volunteers who burn out.

Why did she have a forth kid if she could not even feed the other 3?

STUPID, WASTE of MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

Birth control shots should be a requirement for food stamps.

TAX PAYER Wrote:
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> How much do you spend in food for the month? How
> many kids do you have and what kind of food do you
> eat. Today I was reading the Washington Post, and
> this lady mother of 4 kids who are 13,9,6 and 9
> months spends over $500 dollars in food stamps in
> 2 weeks. Does she just buy junk food? I don't
> know here

katiesmith Wrote:
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> Why did she have a forth kid if she could not even
> feed the other 3?
>
> STUPID, WASTE of MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
>
> Birth control shots should be a requirement for
> food stamps.
>
So, the solution to too much government involvement lives is more government involvement in peoples lives, and too much government spending is more government spending, is what you're saying?

And don't lie and say you would not bitch endlessly about the $250 - $300 per year it would cost to administer Depo-Provera shots to any woman accepting SNAP benefits. If you think it's a good idea, start a charity tomorrow dedicated to administering Depo-Provera shots to poor women.

The truth is you have some fantasy that being broke and on government assistance is some kind of marvelous free ride, which it isn't, because otherwise you would be queueing up for that ride yourself.

For those who have no pride and are too lazy to work keep your legs closed and stop popping out little welfare checks. My salary doesn't get increased for popping one out, why should those on welfare get an increase. They just need to cut back and don't tell me they can't I see there gas guzzlers and smart phones.

Oh and birth control shots and just handing out rice and beans. The welfare roles would drop to nothing. Stupid losers scamming the system instead of making something out of their lives.



The Future is Poverty Wrote:
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> katiesmith Wrote:
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> > Why did she have a forth kid if she could not
> even
> > feed the other 3?
> >
> > STUPID, WASTE of MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
> >
> > Birth control shots should be a requirement for
> > food stamps.
> >
> So, the solution to too much government
> involvement lives is more government involvement
> in peoples lives, and too much government spending
> is more government spending, is what you're
> saying?
>
> And don't lie and say you would not bitch
> endlessly about the $250 - $300 per year it would
> cost to administer Depo-Provera shots to any woman
> accepting SNAP benefits. If you think it's a good
> idea, start a charity tomorrow dedicated to
> administering Depo-Provera shots to poor women.
>
> The truth is you have some fantasy that being
> broke and on government assistance is some kind of
> marvelous free ride, which it isn't, because
> otherwise you would be queueing up for that ride
> yourself.

You silly turds are exterminating each other every day. Why do you need food stamps? You just gonna be dead soon.....

Mrs Dean Wrote:
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> I love the conservative types that assume everyone
> who gets food stamps is lazy and evil. There are
> single moms working two jobs who can't afford
> enough food because our minimum wage is so low.
> The whole economy is messed up. We keep widening
> the gap. And it's not because people are lazy.
> Opportunities are not the same.
>
> Not that freaking simple. There are few people
> eating lobster on food stamps.
>
> I am looking for a tad of humanity from the ultra
> conservatives.


I don't give a flying fuck about a single mom with kids...Guess what, It cost money to have kids. Dumb fucks should have thought about that shit before getting knocked up.
This "free ride" shit has to stop. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

The Future is Poverty Wrote:
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> katiesmith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why did she have a forth kid if she could not
> even
> > feed the other 3?
> >
> > STUPID, WASTE of MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
> >
> > Birth control shots should be a requirement for
> > food stamps.
> >
> So, the solution to too much government
> involvement lives is more government involvement
> in peoples lives, and too much government spending
> is more government spending, is what you're
> saying?
>
> And don't lie and say you would not bitch
> endlessly about the $250 - $300 per year it would
> cost to administer Depo-Provera shots to any woman
> accepting SNAP benefits. If you think it's a good
> idea, start a charity tomorrow dedicated to
> administering Depo-Provera shots to poor women.
>
> The truth is you have some fantasy that being
> broke and on government assistance is some kind of
> marvelous free ride, which it isn't, because
> otherwise you would be queueing up for that ride
> yourself.

I would HAPPILY spend $300 per food stamp bum to sterilize them, especially if it will stop the "single mother with 10 kids" type from popping out yet another bastard child.

As many other people have said, why have a child if you cannot afford to take care of your self?! It isn't the tax-payers (other fellow citizens) responsibility to take care of your fuck when you can't abstain from sex.

To Starve Them: no I am not saying to starve the children at all, it shouldn't get to that point in the first place. I can understand a mother having ONE child and things didn't work out with the husband/death in the family and the mom to need financial support, but how could you justify multiple bastard children?

We could eliminate so many taxes and cut countless government positions, with the same level of service and much more money in the pockets of the citizens. All it takes is a little common sense.

WingNut Wrote:
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> Common sense Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A single mother working 60 hours or more a
> week?
> > Sure it seems like a good idea but it isn't
> > practical, especially with child care costs
> around
> > here. Admit it, you have no legitimate solution
> > and just like to whine and bitch
>
>
> All your critiques seem to blame the marketplace
> and infer that every employer has an obligation to
> pay a certain salary.
>
> Have you taken the time to look thru every
> business owners books and records to determine
> they "can all afford to pay more"?
>
> Hunger and pressure are great motivating factors.
> People who get into comfortable ruts tend to want
> to stay there. Sorry you are too naïve to
> understand this.
>
> BTW why do liberals always use the sympathetic
> "single mother" canard?

corporate profits record highs, in the paper everyday.

the problem is complicated. it's not simple, like 'everybody is a dirtball bum except me'. juvenile......

Why is it up to me to support others people poor judgement. So some fat lazy welfare queen keeps popping out one baby after another and she is a victim? GTFO.

Common sense Wrote:
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> A single mother working 60 hours or more a week?
> Sure it seems like a good idea but it isn't
> practical, especially with child care costs around
> here. Admit it, you have no legitimate solution
> and just like to whine and bitch

Solution? Keep your legs closed every so often or use birth control which is free.

Many of you have anger issues. Serious ones. Are you willing to watch little kids die of starvation to get back at what you see as lazy moms. Lets nail deadbeat dads. Why always blame moms? I get sick of this. Many men beat system out of paying child support. Why is no one hanging them

Again I pose same question

Are you right winged zealots really willing to watch innocent poor kids starve? Are you?

Oh please, everyone knows that 90 percent of those "mom's" sell the food stamps for drugs or other things they want like smart phone's and gas guzzlers. As for the dead beat dad's go sue them.



All of you are nuts Wrote:
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> Many of you have anger issues. Serious ones. Are
> you willing to watch little kids die of starvation
> to get back at what you see as lazy moms. Lets
> nail deadbeat dads. Why always blame moms? I
> get sick of this. Many men beat system out of
> paying child support. Why is no one hanging
> them
>
> Again I pose same question
>
> Are you right winged zealots really willing to
> watch innocent poor kids starve? Are you?

We are the victims not them. They are literally robbing us. How is it that if they are starving they are all fatties? Does anyone ever use common sense?


I wonder Wrote:
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> Why is it up to me to support others people poor
> judgement. So some fat lazy welfare queen keeps
> popping out one baby after another and she is a
> victim? GTFO.

No one has answered my question
What about kids

First off birth control shots last for multiple years. Even not assuming that 300 compared to the 10,000 for one year a child costs and that the tax payer is footing while the welfare queens get us to pay for. Well 300 is a bargain. If they don't like it then they can get a job, go track down their baby daddies, or keep their legs closed.




> I would HAPPILY spend $300 per food stamp bum to
> sterilize them, especially if it will stop the
> "single mother with 10 kids" type from popping out
> yet another bastard child.
>
>

This idiot didn't fuck up once-she fucked up four times. Very few married people fuck up four times. She needs to keep her freaking legs closed.


conservative type Wrote:
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> Mrs Dean Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love the conservative types that assume
> everyone
> > who gets food stamps is lazy and evil. There
> are
> > single moms working two jobs who can't afford
> > enough food because our minimum wage is so low.
>
> > The whole economy is messed up. We keep
> widening
> > the gap. And it's not because people are lazy.
>
> > Opportunities are not the same.
> >
> > Not that freaking simple. There are few people
> > eating lobster on food stamps.
> >
> > I am looking for a tad of humanity from the
> ultra
> > conservatives.
>
>
> I don't give a flying fuck about a single mom with
> kids...Guess what, It cost money to have kids.
> Dumb fucks should have thought about that shit
> before getting knocked up.
> This "free ride" shit has to stop. People need to
> take responsibility for their own actions.

Too bad these poor folks aren't elected officials, like our governor.

Then they could just steal the food from the taxpayer funder fridge.

Keep deflecting on adults

What about kids. Do you care if they starve

The problem with birth control is the moms know with each new baby comes a raise in welfare benefits. It will be tough to sell them on the idea to stop fucking so much and making more money.

What about feeding innocent children

Republicans don't care. Not one answer

Where have all the starving kids been hiding? Every time I see someone using EBT cards they are well over two hundred pounds on a five foot frame and their slew of kids are equally as fat.

Missing point no evidence

Again how do these kids eat with no assistance on minimum wage

How are all these "impoverished" people affording gas guzzlers and smart phones on minimum wage? Why are they all fat if they are starving? What wrongs with handing out rice and beans and requiring birth control?


No stamps no food Wrote:
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> Missing point no evidence
>
> Again how do these kids eat with no assistance on
> minimum wage

We also need to stop increasing benefits for each one popped out. Do you get a salary increase when you have a kid? Nope, you make due.


A T Jones Wrote:
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> The problem with birth control is the moms know
> with each new baby comes a raise in welfare
> benefits. It will be tough to sell them on the
> idea to stop fucking so much and making more
> money.

+1 I'd like to know that too. From what I've observed they are usually hiding out in their so called broke "moms" gas guzzler.


No evidence Wrote:
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> Where have all the starving kids been hiding?
> Every time I see someone using EBT cards they are
> well over two hundred pounds on a five foot frame
> and their slew of kids are equally as fat.

katiesmith Wrote:
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> We also need to stop increasing benefits for each
> one popped out. Do you get a salary increase when
> you have a kid? Nope, you make due.
>
>
> A T Jones Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The problem with birth control is the moms know
> > with each new baby comes a raise in welfare
> > benefits. It will be tough to sell them on the
> > idea to stop fucking so much and making more
> > money.

Excellent point showing how in the REAL world no one gets more money for popping out more bastard children.

To What about the kids: why do you insist on trolling this topic?
I already gave you an answer about the kids. One kid is fine to help (assist) thru tax-payer funding, multiple kids with no father is not okay.

We will NOT support mothers popping them out just to gain a bigger paycheck, which is provided by the government that steals money away from hard wording individuals. What is so hard to understand, in all honesty?

We are thinking about the children; no responsible adult would ever bring a child into the world without fully being able to support him/her. That is the ultimate crime.

What about kids Wrote:
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> No one has answered my question
> What about kids


Fuck em.

No stamps no food Wrote:
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> Missing point no evidence
>
> Again how do these kids eat with no assistance on
> minimum wage


Don't have kids that you can't afford..It's that simple.
I really don't give a fuck about someone else's fucking kid eating. They wanted the kid, they can feed the kid.

Once I saw this lady screaming into her smart phone on the bus with a starbucks in her other hand. What was she yelling about? That her food stamps were late. Go figure.
>
>
> If you are poor and require us tax-payers to foot
> your bills you have NO right owning a cell phone.
>
> Hell, I didn't have one for the longest time, as a
> house phone was good enough for me. And a lot less
> expensive. Where do they get off expecting us to
> buy them phones and the service?

News flash I don't care

Not kids fault

You weed out the 98 percent who are scamming the system by:
1. Only handing out rice and beans-maybe some cheap veggies like carrots
2. You require birth control shots.





Food for the Hungry Wrote:
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> Ok, how do you feed the hungry who need our help?
> Someone answer this.
>
> Some people need help. Not everyone is a bum.
> So give me answers you conversatives.

maybe shes shopping at whole foods which yes does take food stamps you all thinking shes buying junk are retarded since chips and sweets are way less expensive than organic wheat grass and free range grass fed meats.

I don't care is rude Wrote:
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> News flash I don't care
>
> Not kids fault


Then you pay for them!!! I'm not your brother's keeper mother fucker..hands off my hard earned money

Yes, it's not octomom's kids fault that she was spending the 100,000+ of yearly tax payer money she was receiving on brazilian blow outs instead of feeding her kids.

Or that the welfare queen who won the lottery but was still on food stamps used the money to kill herself during a drug overdose.

If you think the kids ever see this money then your in Lala land.


I don't care is rude Wrote:
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> News flash I don't care
>
> Not kids fault

People like I don't care make GOP proud. GO dust off your gun case and chug a few bud lites. Bet you need the bud lite

Zip it Katie
Then go chug a few with I don't care. Maybe Kati's is octomom

Rude does not care Wrote:
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> People like I don't care make GOP proud. GO dust
> off your gun case and chug a few bud lites. Bet
> you need the bud lite


Go jump in your prius and hug an Illegal spic. You will feel better.

No argument back so you tried to change the topic-that's what I thought. (PS. If you read my other posts in other threads you'll quickly realize I'm hardly a republican).

Now here is your questions:

What wrong with handing out rice and beans and other inexpensive items?
Why is it okay to have yet another kid when you can't afford the ones you have and wouldn't it be great to have the ability to not have yet another one paid for in the form of a birth control shot?

Rude does not care Wrote:
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> People like I don't care make GOP proud. GO dust
> off your gun case and chug a few bud lites. Bet
> you need the bud lite

I drive a minivan to the one who does not care
And I'm proud my kids give money to homeless
How's that bud lite

I'm actually a big prius fan. But this food stamp stuff is crap and the way it's being handed out for being a baby factory is insane.


Really don't care Wrote:
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> Rude does not care Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People like I don't care make GOP proud. GO
> dust
> > off your gun case and chug a few bud lites.
> Bet
> > you need the bud lite
>
>
> Go jump in your prius and hug an Illegal spic. You
> will feel better.

I'd be fine with government run food centers that stocked the essentials as long as kids got fed

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> Bull Shit WingNut.
>
> One huge reason we have all of this welfare crap
> piling up on us is that we have allowed businesses
> to shift their costs of doing business onto
> others. People need at a minimum food, shelter,
> clothing and a certain amount of medical care. In
> this area they are also going to need some form of
> transportation to and from work. If I am
> employing someone to work for me 40 hours per
> week, then I need to be paying them enough to
> cover these costs. If I don't then SOMEONE ELSE
> will have to make up the shortfall. Maybe that
> someone is a family member, maybe it's a charity
> or maybe it's the government. However as an
> employer I should have NO RIGHT to require that
> some third party cover my employees' costs of
> living just so I can acquire their labor at a
> lower cost.

Bill it sounds like you must have audited every businesses books and know exactly what they can afford and withstand.

You are making a good argument AGAINST welfare and SNAP..because you seem to say it encourages employers to pay less to workers with the knowledge that the government will subsidize.

Is your solution for the government to come in and micromanage small businesses? Sounds pretty socialistic- you are going to have problems Billy.


> I am not usually a fan of the "single mother"
> argument. However there are societal costs
> involved with the expectation that employees work
> more than 40-50 hours per week, especially when
> those hours become irregular. Maybe your business
> can make more money by having someone work 60
> hours per week rather than 40. However that means
> my business now needs to have extended hours so
> that we are open when your employees are not
> working. Longer work hours also means less time
> available to maintain the house and car and to
> participate in community activities, meaning the
> neighborhoods start going to crap and more
> community stuff ends up being done by paid workers
> or a handful of volunteers who burn out.

Single mothers are probably the most deserving of food stamps, though I don't have any problem with charities doling out contraceptives and discouraging the rampant breeding that goes unpaid for.

Your argument is garbage that all 40 hour a week jobs should pay enough for a house and a car. Nothing wrong with renting a room and taking the bus, I did it myself for a year or so once to get on my feet and it's not that bad.

Again, you are ridiculous to think you have insight into every business and make such a stupid blanket statement that all employers can afford to pay MORE.I seriously doubt you have ever ran a business in a competitive field or even worked for one.

So you drive a gas guzzling minivan, but yet are on food stamps. Ever heard of the bus?


To the one who does nit care Wrote:
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> I drive a minivan to the one who does not care
> And I'm proud my kids give money to homeless
> How's that bud lite

Not on food stamps. Have worked since I was ten years old. Earned every dime. And car us ten years old

Just don't like hungry kids

You are starving.

This applies to women.

But clearly you like mothers who sell their food stamps for drug money. So basically, by stating you don't want goods handed out instead of this crap you effectively do like hungry kids.


Not on food stamps Wrote:
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> Not on food stamps. Have worked since I was ten
> years old. Earned every dime. And car us ten
> years old
>
> Just don't like hungry kids

Agreed with you on handing out food to make healthy meals and snacks.

To the one who does nit care Wrote:
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> I drive a minivan to the one who does not care
> And I'm proud my kids give money to homeless
> How's that bud lite


Ever see that homeless person hit the bud lite after your kids gave then money? Well, They do. Thanks for supporting that behavior. Dummy.

If they only had the absolute essentials it would make it more likely the kids would get fed. The way it works now:

Welfare queen on drugs gets food stamps. Welfare queen sells food stamps for a price below the value of what it is, but still a great deal to the seller. Welfare queen on food stamps uses money to buy drugs while kids go hungry.

How it should work: Person who actually might need it goes and gets food which won't be of much value to welfare queen. Welfare queen drops out of the system because she can't sell food stamps for drugs and will have to get a birth control shot so she can't increase her drug money for next year.


Food handouts Wrote:
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> I'd be fine with government run food centers that
> stocked the essentials as long as kids got fed

You all have anger issues
You hate ecoverything
You have my sympathy

You people have anger issues Wrote:
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> You all have anger issues
> You hate ecoverything
> You have my sympathy


Fuck off.

I remember reading a story (I think in Judge Judy's book) about how she went and bought this homeless women a sandwich and coffee and the woman threw it at her and said what am I supposed to do with this. Also keep in mind not all these so called homeless people are homeless. I know that because I once saw one standing on the corner with a sign and I know this person and I know they are not homeless, but that CPS had to be called on them because they have a drug problem.



Captian obvious Wrote:
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> To the one who does nit care Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I drive a minivan to the one who does not care
> > And I'm proud my kids give money to homeless
> > How's that bud lite
>
>
> Ever see that homeless person hit the bud lite
> after your kids gave then money? Well, They do.
> Thanks for supporting that behavior. Dummy.

Yes

Milk
Cereal
Bread
Peanut butter
Inexpensive meat
Pasta
Sauces
Fruits
Veggies
Canned beans
Mac and cheese
Juice
Rice
Crackers
Canned Soups
Protein bars
Yogurt
Eggs
Toilet paper
Frozen meals
Flour
Spices
Pancake mix

I don't care Wrote:
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> Don't have kids that you can't afford..It's that
> simple.
> I really don't give a fuck about someone else's
> fucking kid eating. They wanted the kid, they can
> feed the kid.

And how would you enforce this? Just because you don't like paying taxes is not going to stop someone else from fucking and being irresponsible.

They also have a vote, and of course they're going to vote their own interests, which is to keep the money coming in (which really just serves to blunt the worst part of their misery).

You are absolutely checkmated. You know there is nothing you can do about this, because you would do it if you could, so you rage impotently on a message board on the internet.

Socialism

Checkmate this:

Require birth control shots to receive food/food stamps.



Impotent Rage Wrote:
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> I don't care Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't have kids that you can't afford..It's
> that
> > simple.
> > I really don't give a fuck about someone else's
> > fucking kid eating. They wanted the kid, they
> can
> > feed the kid.
>
> And how would you enforce this? Just because you
> don't like paying taxes is not going to stop
> someone else from fucking and being
> irresponsible.
>
> They also have a vote, and of course they're going
> to vote their own interests, which is to keep the
> money coming in (which really just serves to blunt
> the worst part of their misery).
>
> You are absolutely checkmated. You know there is
> nothing you can do about this, because you would
> do it if you could, so you rage impotently on a
> message board on the internet.

katiesmith Wrote:
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> Checkmate this:
>
> Require birth control shots to receive food/food
> stamps.

Do you seriously think that there'd be the political will to even consider passing such a law in any legislature in the country, or that it would withstand the most trivial of court challenges? The ACLU would be pissing in their pants and marshal a whole fucking army of lawyers to contest something like this.

In your fantasyland, you might be able to get something like this made into law. However, in the real world, you have exactly zero chance of making it happen, and you absolutely know it.

Impotent Rage Wrote:
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> I don't care Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't have kids that you can't afford..It's
> that
> > simple.
> > I really don't give a fuck about someone else's
> > fucking kid eating. They wanted the kid, they
> can
> > feed the kid.
>
> And how would you enforce this? Just because you
> don't like paying taxes is not going to stop
> someone else from fucking and being
> irresponsible.
>
> They also have a vote, and of course they're going
> to vote their own interests, which is to keep the
> money coming in (which really just serves to blunt
> the worst part of their misery).
>
> You are absolutely checkmated. You know there is
> nothing you can do about this, because you would
> do it if you could, so you rage impotently on a
> message board on the internet.


So your going to reward them? yeah, let's help the irresponsible. You are Just Hurting.

Most people posting on here need please keep me from being and sounding stupid shots. Those are shots gov should fund. Line up GOP elite

Stupid shits Wrote:
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> Most people posting on here need please keep me
> from being and sounding stupid shots. Those are
> shots gov should fund. Line up GOP elite


What?

Government needs to create and administer shots to keep people from acting and sounding stupid. What do you mean what?.. Many who post here need to get in line for first vaccinations

Katie, I wish someone would bend you over a fucking chair and fuck the stupid out of you.

State stores would be the best way to control what people can get but wont work.Too many people too big a state.

What will work is placeing yes items in a data base and a state sign the same everywere in Va on the shelf that shows its a a yes allowed item.

And the stores would be allowed top set up a certain register where only food stamp sales would be if they wanted to, they can sell regular items of course too but all the food stamps would have to be in that line, that way if they put a bunch of stuff on the belt they can't have they have to pay for it or let the others waiting in the line bitch them out for being stupid and holding up the line trying to buy things they can't.


But theres got to be a statewide will of the people to do anything...and it seems there is not. Oh well I just have to bitch my selve out for worrying about it. Working stiffs are screwed thats all there is to it.

Someone tell the President
We've solved it

No More Waste Wrote:
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> State stores would be the best way to control what
> people can get but wont work.Too many people too
> big a state.
>
> What will work is placeing yes items in a data
> base and a state sign the same everywere in Va on
> the shelf that shows its a a yes allowed item.
>
> And the stores would be allowed top set up a
> certain register where only food stamp sales would
> be if they wanted to, they can sell regular items
> of course too but all the food stamps would have
> to be in that line, that way if they put a bunch
> of stuff on the belt they can't have they have to
> pay for it or let the others waiting in the line
> bitch them out for being stupid and holding up the
> line trying to buy things they can't.
>
> But theres got to be a statewide will of the
> people to do anything...and it seems there is not.
> Oh well I just have to bitch my selve out for
> worrying about it. Working stiffs are screwed
> thats all there is to it.

The first part of your suggestion is similar to what's been implemented for the WIC (Women, Infants and Children) program. There's a list of foods that are WIC-approved, meaning you can use a WIC voucher to purchase them, and you can't buy things that aren't on the list.

http://www.vahealth.org/DCN/Publications/Files/PDFs/WICfood%20List%202012%20web%20Eng.pdf

I would imagine that expanding this list slightly and making only those foods available with a SNAP card would go quite a ways towards reducing some of the fraud in the program.

Things that have no nutritive value (such as chips and soft drinks), or are high in fat, sugar, or salt should absolutely be prohibited from being purchased with SNAP benefits. This would have the dual advantage of making both people on SNAP benefits healthier as well as everyone else because manufacturers would start reformulating their products to meet the SNAP guidelines.

Also, there should be limits on how much of a specific product or category of products one could buy. I've heard of scams where people buy large amounts of cheese, which they then resell to a local restaurant for cash. I doubt even the most cheese-loving family could eat more than five pounds a month worth of cheese.

Another thing that should be made part of the law is that if you're using SNAP, you automatically get the discounted price of an item that a holder of a loyalty card would get without having to actually have a loyalty card.

There should be education available (I'm unsure if it should be mandatory) on how to get the best value out of your SNAP benefits and how to prepare nutritious, tasty food, kind of like the old home economics classes.

Lastly, anyone caught abusing SNAP, especially converting the benefits to cash for things like cigarettes or narcotics, should absolutely serve mandatory prison time and be deprived of their parental rights.

@ Sanity in SNAP- some good points there.

I doubt that SNAP could work the cards so they couldn't buy sugary soda and other junk, but I think the ability is there to audit what his been purchased, and inform the user what the no-no's are.

There are so many people in the hood with hypertension and diabetes, a lot of wheelchairs and scooters with amputees in them.

It seems so counterproductive to subsidize peoples with such junk nutrition.

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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where are the worthless fathers who made the women single mothers? why aren't they considered for sterilization to stop the unwanted procreation? why aren't they helping to feed their own children? why aren't they being blamed and judged?

where Wrote:
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> where are the worthless fathers who made the women
> single mothers? why aren't they considered for
> sterilization to stop the unwanted procreation?
> why aren't they helping to feed their own
> children? why aren't they being blamed and
> judged?


They are called niggers for a reason.

WingNut Wrote:
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> Bill it sounds like you must have audited every
> businesses books and know exactly what they can
> afford and withstand.

I probably audited more companies' books then most, but that was a couple of lifetimes ago.

As for what companies can afford or withstand, aren't you all the ones who are complaining about INDIVIDUALS stealing money from taxpayers in the form of welfare because they "need it".

> You are making a good argument AGAINST welfare and
> SNAP..because you seem to say it encourages
> employers to pay less to workers with the
> knowledge that the government will subsidize.
>
> Is your solution for the government to come in and
> micromanage small businesses? Sounds pretty
> socialistic- you are going to have problems
> Billy.

So close...and then your Milton Friedman religion kicked in. Still whether you believe that the existence of welfare encourages employers to pay less or the unwillingness of employers to pay adequate wages to exist makes welfare necessary, the result is the same. We as society are using our tax dollars to subsidize someone's business.

BTW this isn't some new socialist concept. But then again anyone whose memory begins with Reagan can't be expected to recognize this. As for problems, we are simply exchanging one set for another.

> Single mothers are probably the most deserving
> of food stamps, though I don't have any problem
> with charities doling out contraceptives and
> discouraging the rampant breeding that goes unpaid
> for.

Well you are more generous on something than I am. Actually my issue with "single mothers" is that it elevates one group of the "deserving needy" over other groups, quite often without considering just how deserving certain members of the group actually are.

> Your argument is garbage that all 40 hour a week
> jobs should pay enough for a house and a car.

I never said that. You read that into what I said. I said they should pay enough to cover housing and transportation. This is much closer to what you suggest. However the problem I have with the "rent a room" argument is that it encourages the kind of rooming house problems that many neighborhoods are experiencing. Argument for another day. The problem with the "take a bus" argument is while it may work for someone going from Fairfax to Tysons, it doesn't work as well for someone living in Stafford and doing construction in Arlington. Compensation needs to take into account the type of transportation the job requires.

> I seriously doubt you have ever ran a
> business in a competitive field or even worked for
> one.

I have been worrying about making payroll for over twenty years, but believe what you want. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

The SNAP list should be the same as the WIC list and quanities limited as the WIC list states, that keeps people from buying for others as much and hopefully the children will get some benefit. The WIC list is a sign of some sanity with all the fraud occuring.

As far as microwave foods, if the people rent say a room and theres no "full" kitchen then I would go along with that but only with the exception of no full kitchen IE: a stove and sink and verified.

@ Bill.N. SO who should set wages, the government instead of a private business owner?

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planned parenthood clinics offer free/reduced contraceptives
public schools offer free/reduced lunch & breakfast
dollar store sells household goods, toys, school supplies
thrift stores for clothing--unused & gently used brand-name threads/shoes on the cheap, in various sizes

economical nutritious foods in bulk quantity: dried legumes, eggs, potatoes, turkey, rice, bananas, pasta, broccoli, beef brisket & generic boxed items. dirt-cheap with/without store coupons.

don't hesitate to accept help from family and/or friends if offered. sure beats staining your credit score via govt assistance.

resourcefulness is key. theft, drug-peddling & mooching ultimately contribute to the problem, since those struggling won't be able to afford a lawyer if necessary.
poverty can be a temporary condition, or permanent for those wasteful, indulgent & chronically ignorant.
the last thing people need to hear is god has a plan thus there's no need to worry, or how unplanned out-of-wedlock pregnancies are a holy blessing in disguise. that's the nonsense which promotes cyclic poverty and an astounding lack of personal accountability within poor communities.

The deadbeats, freeloaders and bums are actually heroes. Its not easy to lay around for thirty plus years without working. Do you think it is easy to pop out seven to ten kids and watch Judge Judy all day?

WingNut Wrote:
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> @ Bill.N. SO who should set wages, the government
> instead of a private business owner?

They will still initially be set by agreement between employer and employee. However if the compensation comes in below a living wage and if the employee then goes on welfare, the employer has to reimburse the government for the welfare benefits paid.

We actually have something similar now. If a parent gets TANF benefits, the state gets to recover those benefits from the other parent.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @ Bill.N. SO who should set wages, the
> government
> > instead of a private business owner?
>
> They will still initially be set by agreement
> between employer and employee. However if the
> compensation comes in below a living wage and if
> the employee then goes on welfare, the employer
> has to reimburse the government for the welfare
> benefits paid.
>
> We actually have something similar now. If a
> parent gets TANF benefits, the state gets to
> recover those benefits from the other parent.

You are going to achieve the same socialist goal and muddy things up by having the feds determine what fair compensation for this or that is.

Some jobs are not going to pay a living wage, it is just reality. Some jobs are designed for students (who still live with parents) seniors (who just need a little supplemental) or unreliable workers who pick up a little here and there from temp agencies.

If food stamps were scaled back, the workers would deal with employers themselves to get what they need. No reason for Big Daddy Gubmint to get involved.

katiesmith Wrote:
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> You weed out the 98 percent who are scamming the
> system by:
> 1. Only handing out rice and beans-maybe some
> cheap veggies like carrots
> 2. You require birth control shots.
>
>
>
>
>
> Food for the Hungry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ok, how do you feed the hungry who need our
> help?
> > Someone answer this.
> >
> > Some people need help. Not everyone is a bum.
>
> > So give me answers you conversatives.

You implement that plan and I would never have a gripe about the food stamp system again, and I'm sure 99% of the other citizens would agree.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > @ Bill.N. SO who should set wages, the
> government
> > instead of a private business owner?
>
> They will still initially be set by agreement
> between employer and employee. However if the
> compensation comes in below a living wage and if
> the employee then goes on welfare, the employer
> has to reimburse the government for the welfare
> benefits paid.
>
> We actually have something similar now. If a
> parent gets TANF benefits, the state gets to
> recover those benefits from the other parent.


While the goal may be admirable, the practical reality is that all wealth is relative and that all money is simply an artificial representation of value. And the value of goods and services, at least without some outside force to control them (and even then largely, it just becomes more hidden), will always rise/fall to meet the determined cost/value within that reality.

More directly, when you have to pay someone higher wages, then the cost of the goods/services they produce will increase in proportion. They as consumers also then are subject to the same resulting cost increases and end up in no better relative position than they were prior to. All you've really done is to change the units of value assigned to the goods/services. e.g., If you pay farm workers $30/hour and it increases the cost of produce (and everything else affected across all of the economy) in a proportional amount, they end up in no better relative position than they were prior to. And whether it's done through wages, or taxes, or monetary manipulation, it's all effectively the same in the end, it just goes through a different cycle of the same system.

There always has been and always will be, regardless of the system/society, relatively rich and relative poor. The relative difference at the extremes may vary at given times/societies, but really haven't changed much. In fact, less here and now versus others. The better measure is the overall absolute "wealth" of the society and, to your concern, that of the lower end. That is, while you may not like that a CEO or entertainer today is relatively much more wealthy than a fast food worker who can't afford a car and a place in the city, that worker is far better off in terms of basic needs on an absolute basis (at least by Western measures) than the most relatively wealthy member of some less wealthy society who had/has no reliable access to basic needs like food, water, medicine, etc.

Also, people who suggest this seem to work from the basis that everyone works for Multi-Mega Corp and there's some huge pool of hidden profits to draw such increases in wages from. That's not the case for the most part. But that's getting into another area.

When you give someone something free with no strings attached they do not appreciate it and usually come back looking for more.

Over simplification
Some people need help

Very true, I've seen a lot of posts from these welfare queens and kings who somehow can't afford food, but can afford the internet along with their smart phones and gas guzzlers.

Biggest bunch of ingrates on the planet.


mo free mo Wrote:
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> When you give someone something free with no
> strings attached they do not appreciate it and
> usually come back looking for more.

I think the way to push towards implementation of such a plan at this point is too get the word out by posting such a plan wherever you can and talking about it when you can to push it into the mainstream if that makes sense?

Alexander Smith Wrote:
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> katiesmith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You weed out the 98 percent who are scamming
> the
> > system by:
> > 1. Only handing out rice and beans-maybe some
> > cheap veggies like carrots
> > 2. You require birth control shots.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Food for the Hungry Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ok, how do you feed the hungry who need our
> > help?
> > > Someone answer this.
> > >
> > > Some people need help. Not everyone is a bum.
>
> >
> > > So give me answers you conversatives.
>
> You implement that plan and I would never have a
> gripe about the food stamp system again, and I'm
> sure 99% of the other citizens would agree.

I am responsible for myself and my family. Period. If you want to take care of others, then you are free to do so on your own dime. Keep your filthy hands off of my hard earned money!

Those of you who are talking about Depo shots and giving free handouts are onto something. Mandating the shots would never work because the ACLU and GOP would kill that proposal before it gained any steam. However, giving a cash incentive to get the shots (say $50 per quarter) each time the woman picked up her check or food stamps would be huge and the demand would be overwhelming. $50 is a lot less than these woman receive in benefits, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. And it's certainly less expensive to the taxpayer than subsidizing education, medical care, feeding and housing for these kids for 18+ years as the cycle of generational poverty continues.

fungolio Wrote:
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> I am responsible for myself and my family.
> Period. If you want to take care of others, then
> you are free to do so on your own dime. Keep your
> filthy hands off of my hard earned money!

Fine. Provided you don't do business directly or indirectly with anyone who is on public assistance or is using employees on some form of public assistance. I suspect you'll find that nearly impossible.