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Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
costco
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:22PM
A co-worker just told me there is an active shooter at the Costco in Sterling.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
J.J.
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:25PM
That's not funny. If it's not true, it's extremely irresponsible and immature.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
costco
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:26PM
Not joking....our co-worker got a call from his parents who were calling him from inside the store. Haven't been able to find anything on wtop, etc. Just wondered if anyone else heard anything.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Patrol man da
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:32PM
This belongs in thr Loudon County forum, not Fairfax
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
ULnUY
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:34PM
#BREAKING: A Loudoun County deputy has been shot at the Costco in Sterling, Va. A suspect also was shot. More soon on NBCWashington.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
NC 8
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:41PM
News channel 8 is reporting a third area police involved shooting. The previous two were in DC. Looks like they will be reporting shortly on the Costco one (if the rumor here is true).
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Confirmed
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:42PM
It's on the wtop.com breaking news section. Confirmed.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
NC 8
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:47PM
On news channel 8 LIVE RIGHT NOW!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
uX9VT
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Date: May 29, 2013 03:51PM
#BREAKING #Costco shooting In Sterling. Customer says a woman was shot by police after she attacked another officer with a knife
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Priapus
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:01PM
It's ok. Only chinks, spics and poor white trash shop at that one
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
I was there
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:01PM
The Sheriff was fine, I saw them put him on a strectcher. They made everyone leave and the detectives were coming as I pulled off...does not look good for the other party involved.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Les Nessman
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:08PM
Channel 9 news is so stupid. They just ran a live interview with someone who was there. She was putting her crap into her SUV trunk and all she could talk about was the deluge of police cars pulling into Cosco. Oh, the humanity!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
aolT.
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:08PM
google. Lazy asses.
http://www.wtop.com/159/3340386/Loudoun-Co-sheriffs-deputy-shot-in-Sterling-Costco
http://www.wtop.com/159/3340386/Loudoun-Co-sheriffs-deputy-shot-in-Sterling-Costco
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
cheap liquor?
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:12PM
I thought this thread was about buying shooters.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Clark
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:12PM
It is very amusing how brave and fearless people are sitting behind their computers. I guarantee Priapus wouldnt have the heart or balls to say that to someones face.Hopefully everyone regardless of race will be okay.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Priapus
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:16PM
Clark Wrote:
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> It is very amusing how brave and fearless people
> are sitting behind their computers. I guarantee
> Priapus wouldnt have the heart or balls to say
> that to someones face.Hopefully everyone
> regardless of race will be okay.
Doesn't take bravery to say it if it's true. but I did forget to mention the dotheads.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2013 04:17PM by Priapus.
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> It is very amusing how brave and fearless people
> are sitting behind their computers. I guarantee
> Priapus wouldnt have the heart or balls to say
> that to someones face.Hopefully everyone
> regardless of race will be okay.
Doesn't take bravery to say it if it's true. but I did forget to mention the dotheads.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2013 04:17PM by Priapus.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Clark
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:20PM
Lol. Sad & pathetic.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Groovy-Ghoul
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:21PM
Jeez...this news just BLEW ME AWAY...
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
itsdf
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:22PM
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:28PM
uX9VT Wrote:
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> Customer
> says a woman was shot by police after she attacked
> another officer with a knife
She was probably helping herself to free food samples.
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> Customer
> says a woman was shot by police after she attacked
> another officer with a knife
She was probably helping herself to free food samples.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:30PM
itsdf Wrote:
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> http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Deputy-Sho
> t-at-Costco-in-Sterling-209389621.html
So how does a cop get shot by a woman with a knife?
Someone's gots some splainin to do!
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> http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Deputy-Sho
> t-at-Costco-in-Sterling-209389621.html
So how does a cop get shot by a woman with a knife?
Someone's gots some splainin to do!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Where?
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:32PM
cheap liquor? Wrote:
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> I thought this thread was about buying shooters.
Costco sells shooters? Do they have watermelon?
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> I thought this thread was about buying shooters.
Costco sells shooters? Do they have watermelon?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
There
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:35PM
I was there yesterday. Their watermelon is one of the best. Six crates full.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Miss Q'd
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:39PM
There Wrote:
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> I was there yesterday. Their watermelon is one of
> the best. Six crates full.
Why would an on duty Sheriff be doing watermelon shooters with some lady?
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> I was there yesterday. Their watermelon is one of
> the best. Six crates full.
Why would an on duty Sheriff be doing watermelon shooters with some lady?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
DrSaxatilis
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:41PM
Beats all the niggers and sand niggers
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
MustafaK
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Date: May 29, 2013 04:47PM
Knife-wielding muslimah in hijab.
Great Falls people shop sterling costco.
Great Falls people shop sterling costco.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
PSJ
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:01PM
For Priapus - Boy do you live in the wrong area of the country. I think you need to live among animals and not humans. I would watch what comes out of your mouth because more than likely, you will need one of the races you mentioned above to save your sorry ass in the hospital one day. Since you probably already know that majority of the local doctors come from the mentioned races. Or better yet, the so called the American life you are living, is due to all of us educated people that have to deal with racist dumasses such as yourself. Oh and you have the audacity to call someone else white trash???? I think you need a wake up call... You are a really really sorry excuse for a human being.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:01PM
It was a Costco employee LOL.
Job opening- Sterling VA Costco
http://www.leesburgtoday.com/news/sterling-shooting-leaves-one-killed-deputy-wounded/article_44732952-c898-11e2-84bc-001a4bcf887a.html
Job opening- Sterling VA Costco
http://www.leesburgtoday.com/news/sterling-shooting-leaves-one-killed-deputy-wounded/article_44732952-c898-11e2-84bc-001a4bcf887a.html
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Priapus
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Date: May 29, 2013 05:10PM
PSJ Wrote:
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> For Priapus - Boy do you live in the wrong area of
> the country. I think you need to live among
> animals and not humans. I would watch what comes
> out of your mouth because more than likely, you
> will need one of the races you mentioned above to
> save your sorry ass in the hospital one day.
> Since you probably already know that majority of
> the local doctors come from the mentioned races.
> Or better yet, the so called the American life you
> are living, is due to all of us educated people
> that have to deal with racist dumasses such as
> yourself. Oh and you have the audacity to call
> someone else white trash???? I think you need a
> wake up call... You are a really really sorry
> excuse for a human being.
If a doctor sounds like a sand monkey, I wouldn't be around him ( or her) in the first place. Tho it must be nice to get a medical degree from Bumfuck, Nigeria. If I need a lawyer, he's a Jew. If I need a doctor, he's white. That melting Pot everyone talks about is a little burned on the bottom.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2013 05:12PM by Priapus.
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> For Priapus - Boy do you live in the wrong area of
> the country. I think you need to live among
> animals and not humans. I would watch what comes
> out of your mouth because more than likely, you
> will need one of the races you mentioned above to
> save your sorry ass in the hospital one day.
> Since you probably already know that majority of
> the local doctors come from the mentioned races.
> Or better yet, the so called the American life you
> are living, is due to all of us educated people
> that have to deal with racist dumasses such as
> yourself. Oh and you have the audacity to call
> someone else white trash???? I think you need a
> wake up call... You are a really really sorry
> excuse for a human being.
If a doctor sounds like a sand monkey, I wouldn't be around him ( or her) in the first place. Tho it must be nice to get a medical degree from Bumfuck, Nigeria. If I need a lawyer, he's a Jew. If I need a doctor, he's white. That melting Pot everyone talks about is a little burned on the bottom.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2013 05:12PM by Priapus.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
PSJ
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:20PM
For Priapus - I bet you are not even capable of getting a degree from a fake medical college. Again I don't think racist people like you should live as part of a community. You belong in the jungles of Africa with the animals, that is if the animals will have you.
My prayers and well wishes go out to the officers.
My prayers and well wishes go out to the officers.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
free salmon dip
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:33PM
It was a contract employee that works in the Sample Demonstration crew. It's getting hard to get good employees. It's probably one of the women who cuts the cheese.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
aolT.
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:35PM
From what I heard on the radio a food sampler ( employee) got crazy, cops were called, she had a knife, cop shot her and shot the other cop by accident.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
blanche
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:37PM
Hasn't there been another thread on this forum regarding the folks handing out samples getting exercised over folks taking numerous samples?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Pigs gone crazy
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Date: May 29, 2013 05:37PM
Po dunk hillbilly cops. Every one of them has a tazer.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Jeez
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:37PM
PSJ Wrote:
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> For Priapus - Boy do you live in the wrong area of
> the country. I think you need to live among
> animals and not humans. I would watch what comes
> out of your mouth because more than likely, you
> will need one of the races you mentioned above to
> save your sorry ass in the hospital one day.
> Since you probably already know that majority of
> the local doctors come from the mentioned races.
> Or better yet, the so called the American life you
> are living, is due to all of us educated people
> that have to deal with racist dumasses such as
> yourself. Oh and you have the audacity to call
> someone else white trash???? I think you need a
> wake up call... You are a really really sorry
> excuse for a human being.
If a doctor sounds like a sand monkey, I wouldn't be around him ( or her) in the first place. Tho it must be nice to get a medical degree from Bumfuck, Nigeria. If I need a lawyer, he's a Jew. If I need a doctor, he's white. That melting Pot everyone talks about is a little burned on the bottom.
Priapus,
You really are something you know! You are so ignorant that your ignorance it quite amusing. If only you knew what your Jew lawyer and white doctor thinks of you- give you a clue you ignorant, lowlife, bigotted, barbarian- starts with "s" ends with "d" .....stupid.
You give everyone else a bad name.
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> For Priapus - Boy do you live in the wrong area of
> the country. I think you need to live among
> animals and not humans. I would watch what comes
> out of your mouth because more than likely, you
> will need one of the races you mentioned above to
> save your sorry ass in the hospital one day.
> Since you probably already know that majority of
> the local doctors come from the mentioned races.
> Or better yet, the so called the American life you
> are living, is due to all of us educated people
> that have to deal with racist dumasses such as
> yourself. Oh and you have the audacity to call
> someone else white trash???? I think you need a
> wake up call... You are a really really sorry
> excuse for a human being.
If a doctor sounds like a sand monkey, I wouldn't be around him ( or her) in the first place. Tho it must be nice to get a medical degree from Bumfuck, Nigeria. If I need a lawyer, he's a Jew. If I need a doctor, he's white. That melting Pot everyone talks about is a little burned on the bottom.
Priapus,
You really are something you know! You are so ignorant that your ignorance it quite amusing. If only you knew what your Jew lawyer and white doctor thinks of you- give you a clue you ignorant, lowlife, bigotted, barbarian- starts with "s" ends with "d" .....stupid.
You give everyone else a bad name.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Hajibi
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:40PM
MustafaK Wrote:
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> Knife-wielding muslimah in hijab.
> Great Falls people shop sterling costco.
Probably yet another meat cleaver attack.
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> Knife-wielding muslimah in hijab.
> Great Falls people shop sterling costco.
Probably yet another meat cleaver attack.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
aolT.
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:43PM
look faggot, take your problem with Priapus somewhere else, no one gives a shit.
Back to the topic-
-Cop shoots crazed employee and other officer.
Back to the topic-
-Cop shoots crazed employee and other officer.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Priapus
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:45PM
Jeez Wrote:
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If
> only you knew what your Jew lawyer and white
> doctor thinks of you- give you a clue you
> ignorant, lowlife, bigotted, barbarian- starts
> with "s" ends with "d" .....stupid.
> You give everyone else a bad name.
First, you didn't let me guess. Second, of course when I use words like spic or chink or dothead, you might suspect i give everyone a bad name. Like you, Jizz.
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If
> only you knew what your Jew lawyer and white
> doctor thinks of you- give you a clue you
> ignorant, lowlife, bigotted, barbarian- starts
> with "s" ends with "d" .....stupid.
> You give everyone else a bad name.
First, you didn't let me guess. Second, of course when I use words like spic or chink or dothead, you might suspect i give everyone a bad name. Like you, Jizz.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:52PM
I suspect terrorism. God knows there's plenty of Islamic radicals in Sterling!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
been quiet for awhile
()
Date: May 29, 2013 05:52PM
This is the most exciting thing to happen in retail since the lady killed herself in the Burke Target.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mmmm
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:00PM
A bladed instrument justifies the shooting, but I have a hard time believing a taser didn't work on the female. I would be checking the videos from store cameras. Unless the woman was on drugs, the taser should have dropped her. Lots of questions to be answered on this.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
GO BACK TO MEXICO
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:02PM
DEPORT HIS ASS BACK TO MEXICO
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
cops are bored
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:06PM
These suburban cops are just plain bored and unprepared when a crime actually occurs.
Seriously, this woman could not have been restrained somehow?
They had to shoot and kill her?
Ridiculous.
Reminds me of the kid at IHOP killed for skipping out on his bill.
Seriously, this woman could not have been restrained somehow?
They had to shoot and kill her?
Ridiculous.
Reminds me of the kid at IHOP killed for skipping out on his bill.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Pigs gone crazy
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:07PM
What do you expect from the loudoun county hillbilly sherriffs department. Nothing but screw ups. I doubt she was tasered, the billy cop more than likely missed. Obviously he was not a good shot hence the friendly fire.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Ka Pow
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:08PM
cops are bored Wrote:
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> They had to shoot and kill her?
And shoot the partner, too - sheesh.
Now imagine the untrained CCWer.
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> They had to shoot and kill her?
And shoot the partner, too - sheesh.
Now imagine the untrained CCWer.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:12PM
Ka Pow Wrote:
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> >
> Now imagine the untrained CCWer.
That's pretty much what Loudoun County cops are.
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> >
> Now imagine the untrained CCWer.
That's pretty much what Loudoun County cops are.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Barney Fife
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:12PM
A woman handing out pizza samples at a Virginia Costco was shot and killed by sheriff's deputies Wednesday afternoon after she began acting strangely and came at the officers with a weapon, authorities said.
A sheriff's deputy also was wounded in the leg, possibly by a ricochet. He is expected to recover.
The melee began at about 3 p.m., when store employees noticed the woman acting oddly at the Costco in Sterling, Loudoun County Sheriff Mike Chapman said. Witnesses said she seemed upset about the pizza she was handing out.
Deputies were called to the store to handle the disturbance.
After they arrived, the woman -- who works for a company that does sampling at Costco stores -- came at the officers with a weapon, which some witnesses said was a knife.
One officer tried to use a stun gun on the woman, but Chapman said the stun gun "did not work" and one of the deputies shot the woman fatally.
Chapman said the only shots fired were by one of the deputies.
Shoppers inside the store told News4 that they were evacuated in a rush. Nora Lateef said she was at the food court when she saw three deputies rush into the store and head toward the employee lounge, asking, "Where is Linda?"
Soon, Lateef said, she heard five shots and the store was evacuated. They were saying "everybody out of the store! Out of the store!" Lateef said.
Shopper Elizabeth Avelar was among those herded out the door. "I had no idea whether somebody was being shot, if there was a bomb threat," Avelar said. "It was very difficult to get out of the parking lot -- people were honking their horns. It was frightening."
The Costco Warehouse Store is located at 21398 Price Cascades Plaza in Loudoun County, Virginia.
Chapman said the woman was an employee of Club Demonstration Services, Inc., a Costco subcontractor.
A sheriff's deputy also was wounded in the leg, possibly by a ricochet. He is expected to recover.
The melee began at about 3 p.m., when store employees noticed the woman acting oddly at the Costco in Sterling, Loudoun County Sheriff Mike Chapman said. Witnesses said she seemed upset about the pizza she was handing out.
Deputies were called to the store to handle the disturbance.
After they arrived, the woman -- who works for a company that does sampling at Costco stores -- came at the officers with a weapon, which some witnesses said was a knife.
One officer tried to use a stun gun on the woman, but Chapman said the stun gun "did not work" and one of the deputies shot the woman fatally.
Chapman said the only shots fired were by one of the deputies.
Shoppers inside the store told News4 that they were evacuated in a rush. Nora Lateef said she was at the food court when she saw three deputies rush into the store and head toward the employee lounge, asking, "Where is Linda?"
Soon, Lateef said, she heard five shots and the store was evacuated. They were saying "everybody out of the store! Out of the store!" Lateef said.
Shopper Elizabeth Avelar was among those herded out the door. "I had no idea whether somebody was being shot, if there was a bomb threat," Avelar said. "It was very difficult to get out of the parking lot -- people were honking their horns. It was frightening."
The Costco Warehouse Store is located at 21398 Price Cascades Plaza in Loudoun County, Virginia.
Chapman said the woman was an employee of Club Demonstration Services, Inc., a Costco subcontractor.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Samplling
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:19PM
Barney Fife Wrote:
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> A woman handing out pizza samples at a Virginia
> Costco was shot and killed by sheriff's deputies
> Wednesday afternoon after she began acting
> strangely and came at the officers with a weapon,
> authorities said.
>
> A sheriff's deputy also was wounded in the leg,
> possibly by a ricochet. He is expected to
> recover.
I have never trusted those samples people! From now on I am walking right by them and if they say anything to me... "Hell no! I don't want a sample! I know about YOUR type!"
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> A woman handing out pizza samples at a Virginia
> Costco was shot and killed by sheriff's deputies
> Wednesday afternoon after she began acting
> strangely and came at the officers with a weapon,
> authorities said.
>
> A sheriff's deputy also was wounded in the leg,
> possibly by a ricochet. He is expected to
> recover.
I have never trusted those samples people! From now on I am walking right by them and if they say anything to me... "Hell no! I don't want a sample! I know about YOUR type!"
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
aolT.
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:19PM
My ass would have been running cart in hand out the door with my unpaid groceries. Hopefully Costco will resume free samples by the end of the week.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Number Nine
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:22PM
"Attention shoppers, Attention shoppers. We have a crazy pizza sample lady on aisle four. Please run to the nearest exit and get your ass out of the store."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
come downtown folks
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:27PM
I work in the "nice" area of DC--
If every time some nut was "acting crazy"-like many of the homeless-was shot by cops, there would be bodies piled up everywhere.
Do cops get any training in dealing with the mentally ill?
Good God, they should. This is disgraceful.
If every time some nut was "acting crazy"-like many of the homeless-was shot by cops, there would be bodies piled up everywhere.
Do cops get any training in dealing with the mentally ill?
Good God, they should. This is disgraceful.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
U9bx7
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:39PM
Give it a few hours, all the pigs will be on here claiming "how hard their job is" and "you must have been arrested" blah blah blah. You know typical swine stuff.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Easy choice
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:45PM
Some crazy Foreign sandy comes at me with a knife, I would shoot the dumb cunt. Just saying.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
ex-Lester
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:57PM
It sounds like there was a confrontation between the sample-giver and her supervisor and other employees near the employee staff room at the front of the store. They called the cops. She left to the eatery section of the store. When she saw the cops head toward the employee room, she ran back to the back of the store in the direction of her sample station in the frozen foods. The cops gave chase and the last confrontation began.
Costco should've closed the entrance to the store. In the meantime, somebody should've started to move the customers out of the building until the cops arrived.
Costco should've closed the entrance to the store. In the meantime, somebody should've started to move the customers out of the building until the cops arrived.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Ann Margherite
()
Date: May 29, 2013 06:59PM
It's those Margherita pizzas.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
ban costco
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:01PM
COSTCO IS DANGEROUS!!!! BAN COSTCO!!!!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Captian obvious
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:13PM
ex-Lester Wrote:
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> It sounds like there was a confrontation between
> the sample-giver and her supervisor and other
> employees near the employee staff room at the
> front of the store. They called the cops. She
> left to the eatery section of the store. When she
> saw the cops head toward the employee room, she
> ran back to the back of the store in the direction
> of her sample station in the frozen foods. The
> cops gave chase and the last confrontation began.
>
> Costco should've closed the entrance to the store.
> In the meantime, somebody should've started to
> move the customers out of the building until the
> cops arrived.
What do you think the end result would have been in her shitty country of origin?
fuck em, That's what I say.
Walmart hire's these half asses non English speaking/illegal fucks, Has anyone ever went to the sterling Walmart?
It's like fucking Haiti, It make's Detroit look like Disney Land,Just what do you expect?
This country is gone to shit.
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> It sounds like there was a confrontation between
> the sample-giver and her supervisor and other
> employees near the employee staff room at the
> front of the store. They called the cops. She
> left to the eatery section of the store. When she
> saw the cops head toward the employee room, she
> ran back to the back of the store in the direction
> of her sample station in the frozen foods. The
> cops gave chase and the last confrontation began.
>
> Costco should've closed the entrance to the store.
> In the meantime, somebody should've started to
> move the customers out of the building until the
> cops arrived.
What do you think the end result would have been in her shitty country of origin?
fuck em, That's what I say.
Walmart hire's these half asses non English speaking/illegal fucks, Has anyone ever went to the sterling Walmart?
It's like fucking Haiti, It make's Detroit look like Disney Land,Just what do you expect?
This country is gone to shit.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:19PM
Been to any Macys lately? I defy you to find any salesperson in a Macys that has even a minimal grasp of the English language. It's almost impossible to complete a transaction! How does somebody get thru a job interview when you cant even understand what they are saying?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Eff the Police
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:20PM
Barney Fife Wrote:
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> A woman handing out pizza samples at a Virginia
> Costco was shot and killed by sheriff's deputies
> Wednesday afternoon after she began acting
> strangely and came at the officers with a weapon,
> authorities said...
>
> The melee began at about 3 p.m., when store
> employees noticed the woman acting oddly at the
> Costco in Sterling, Loudoun County Sheriff Mike
> Chapman said. Witnesses said she seemed upset
> about the pizza she was handing out.
>
> Deputies were called to the store to handle the
> disturbance.
>
> After they arrived, the woman -- who works for a
> company that does sampling at Costco stores --
> came at the officers with a weapon, which some
> witnesses said was a knife.
>
> One officer tried to use a stun gun on the woman,
> but Chapman said the stun gun "did not work" and
> one of the deputies shot the woman fatally.
>
> Chapman said the only shots fired were by one of
> the deputies.
>
> Shoppers inside the store told News4 that they
> were evacuated in a rush. Nora Lateef said she was
> at the food court when she saw three deputies rush
> into the store and head toward the employee
> lounge, asking, "Where is Linda?"
These cops are gun crazy thugs.
Although I suppose the quasi-militarized training they receive is also to blame.
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> A woman handing out pizza samples at a Virginia
> Costco was shot and killed by sheriff's deputies
> Wednesday afternoon after she began acting
> strangely and came at the officers with a weapon,
> authorities said...
>
> The melee began at about 3 p.m., when store
> employees noticed the woman acting oddly at the
> Costco in Sterling, Loudoun County Sheriff Mike
> Chapman said. Witnesses said she seemed upset
> about the pizza she was handing out.
>
> Deputies were called to the store to handle the
> disturbance.
>
> After they arrived, the woman -- who works for a
> company that does sampling at Costco stores --
> came at the officers with a weapon, which some
> witnesses said was a knife.
>
> One officer tried to use a stun gun on the woman,
> but Chapman said the stun gun "did not work" and
> one of the deputies shot the woman fatally.
>
> Chapman said the only shots fired were by one of
> the deputies.
>
> Shoppers inside the store told News4 that they
> were evacuated in a rush. Nora Lateef said she was
> at the food court when she saw three deputies rush
> into the store and head toward the employee
> lounge, asking, "Where is Linda?"
These cops are gun crazy thugs.
Although I suppose the quasi-militarized training they receive is also to blame.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Neither Pub nor Dem be
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:22PM
Yes, but they're all working, and after a few years, they become much smarter and more skilled at dealing with people than you, sitting in your parents' house in your sweatpants. I'm all for limiting immigration and guest worker visas contingent on the level of unemployment in the economy.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Dumb liberal logic
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:50PM
Neither Pub nor Dem be Wrote:
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> Yes, but they're all working, and after a few
> years, they become much smarter and more skilled
> at dealing with people than you, sitting in your
> parents' house in your sweatpants. I'm all for
> limiting immigration and guest worker visas
> contingent on the level of unemployment in the
> economy.
Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a cancer, the libs need the votes, other people just don't give a shit.
You will see this problem when it affects where you live. But they are such hard workers!!..you're simple common mother fucker.
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> Yes, but they're all working, and after a few
> years, they become much smarter and more skilled
> at dealing with people than you, sitting in your
> parents' house in your sweatpants. I'm all for
> limiting immigration and guest worker visas
> contingent on the level of unemployment in the
> economy.
Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a cancer, the libs need the votes, other people just don't give a shit.
You will see this problem when it affects where you live. But they are such hard workers!!..you're simple common mother fucker.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
XWCup
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:52PM
Dumb liberal logic Wrote:
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> Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a cancer,
> the libs need the votes, other people just don't
> give a shit.
> You will see this problem when it affects where
> you live. But they are such hard
> workers!!..you're simple common mother fucker.
You are the IGNORANT FUCKER....only Repubs do not understand this one simple FACT.
ILLEGALS CAN NOT VOTE!
You dumb cunt.
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> Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a cancer,
> the libs need the votes, other people just don't
> give a shit.
> You will see this problem when it affects where
> you live. But they are such hard
> workers!!..you're simple common mother fucker.
You are the IGNORANT FUCKER....only Repubs do not understand this one simple FACT.
ILLEGALS CAN NOT VOTE!
You dumb cunt.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Understood
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:53PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> Been to any Macys lately? I defy you to find any
> salesperson in a Macys that has even a minimal
> grasp of the English language. It's almost
> impossible to complete a transaction! How does
> somebody get thru a job interview when you cant
> even understand what they are saying?
I'm with you on this one. It's mind blowing how they can even get the job.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Been to any Macys lately? I defy you to find any
> salesperson in a Macys that has even a minimal
> grasp of the English language. It's almost
> impossible to complete a transaction! How does
> somebody get thru a job interview when you cant
> even understand what they are saying?
I'm with you on this one. It's mind blowing how they can even get the job.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
another black eye
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:55PM
XWCup Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dumb liberal logic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a
> cancer,
> > the libs need the votes, other people just
> don't
> > give a shit.
> > You will see this problem when it affects where
> > you live. But they are such hard
> > workers!!..you're simple common mother fucker.
>
>
> You are the IGNORANT FUCKER....only Repubs do not
> understand this one simple FACT.
>
> ILLEGALS CAN NOT VOTE!
>
> You dumb cunt.
What part of simple common mother fucker did you not understand?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dumb liberal logic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a
> cancer,
> > the libs need the votes, other people just
> don't
> > give a shit.
> > You will see this problem when it affects where
> > you live. But they are such hard
> > workers!!..you're simple common mother fucker.
>
>
> You are the IGNORANT FUCKER....only Repubs do not
> understand this one simple FACT.
>
> ILLEGALS CAN NOT VOTE!
>
> You dumb cunt.
What part of simple common mother fucker did you not understand?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Smith
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:56PM
A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and they had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg. What a bunch of scared pussies.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
dWwyy
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:57PM
> > > Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a
> > cancer,
> > > the libs need the votes,
ILLEGALS CAN NOT VOTE!
Therefore the fucker would be the one with failed logic.
Understand?
> > cancer,
> > > the libs need the votes,
ILLEGALS CAN NOT VOTE!
Therefore the fucker would be the one with failed logic.
Understand?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Whiskey,Tango,Foxtrot
()
Date: May 29, 2013 07:58PM
Joe Smith Wrote:
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> A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and they
> had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg. What
> a bunch of scared pussies.
This ain't Hollywood chief.
-------------------------------------------------------
> A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and they
> had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg. What
> a bunch of scared pussies.
This ain't Hollywood chief.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Smith
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:00PM
Priapus Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jeez Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> If
> > only you knew what your Jew lawyer and white
> > doctor thinks of you- give you a clue you
> > ignorant, lowlife, bigotted, barbarian- starts
> > with "s" ends with "d" .....stupid.
> > You give everyone else a bad name.
>
> First, you didn't let me guess. Second, of course
> when I use words like spic or chink or dothead,
> you might suspect i give everyone a bad name. Like
> you, Jizz.
You haven't gotten laid in a long time I bet.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jeez Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> If
> > only you knew what your Jew lawyer and white
> > doctor thinks of you- give you a clue you
> > ignorant, lowlife, bigotted, barbarian- starts
> > with "s" ends with "d" .....stupid.
> > You give everyone else a bad name.
>
> First, you didn't let me guess. Second, of course
> when I use words like spic or chink or dothead,
> you might suspect i give everyone a bad name. Like
> you, Jizz.
You haven't gotten laid in a long time I bet.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Smith
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:01PM
Whiskey,Tango,Foxtrot Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Joe Smith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and
> they
> > had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> > stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg.
> What
> > a bunch of scared pussies.
>
>
> This ain't Hollywood chief.
Even the Cops in the UK had the sense to shoot that psycho who killed the soldier in the legs.
Hollywood my ass. They didn't have to kill the woman.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Joe Smith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and
> they
> > had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> > stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg.
> What
> > a bunch of scared pussies.
>
>
> This ain't Hollywood chief.
Even the Cops in the UK had the sense to shoot that psycho who killed the soldier in the legs.
Hollywood my ass. They didn't have to kill the woman.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
King of all blacks
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:03PM
dWwyy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a
> > > cancer,
> > > > the libs need the votes,
>
> ILLEGALS CAN NOT VOTE!
>
> Therefore the fucker would be the one with failed
> logic.
>
> Understand?
You mad bro?
-------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Fucking liberal logic. They illegals are a
> > > cancer,
> > > > the libs need the votes,
>
> ILLEGALS CAN NOT VOTE!
>
> Therefore the fucker would be the one with failed
> logic.
>
> Understand?
You mad bro?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Smith
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:03PM
Clark Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is very amusing how brave and fearless people
> are sitting behind their computers. I guarantee
> Priapus wouldnt have the heart or balls to say
> that to someones face.Hopefully everyone
> regardless of race will be okay.
Ignore Priapus. He is very angry and bitter because he is a 40 year old virgin. This is how he vents his sexual frustration.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It is very amusing how brave and fearless people
> are sitting behind their computers. I guarantee
> Priapus wouldnt have the heart or balls to say
> that to someones face.Hopefully everyone
> regardless of race will be okay.
Ignore Priapus. He is very angry and bitter because he is a 40 year old virgin. This is how he vents his sexual frustration.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Jim Jones
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:06PM
Joe Smith Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clark Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It is very amusing how brave and fearless
> people
> > are sitting behind their computers. I guarantee
> > Priapus wouldnt have the heart or balls to say
> > that to someones face.Hopefully everyone
> > regardless of race will be okay.
>
>
> Ignore Priapus. He is very angry and bitter
> because he is a 40 year old virgin. This is how he
> vents his sexual frustration.
Go hug an illegal, you will feel better.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Clark Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It is very amusing how brave and fearless
> people
> > are sitting behind their computers. I guarantee
> > Priapus wouldnt have the heart or balls to say
> > that to someones face.Hopefully everyone
> > regardless of race will be okay.
>
>
> Ignore Priapus. He is very angry and bitter
> because he is a 40 year old virgin. This is how he
> vents his sexual frustration.
Go hug an illegal, you will feel better.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:19PM
Joe Smith Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> Even the Cops in the UK had the sense to shoot
> that psycho who killed the soldier in the legs.
>
>
That may come back to haunt them too. Should have wasted the fuckers on the spot.
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
> Even the Cops in the UK had the sense to shoot
> that psycho who killed the soldier in the legs.
>
>
That may come back to haunt them too. Should have wasted the fuckers on the spot.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Ka Pow
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:38PM
Joe Smith Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and they
> had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg.
Well, to give the police the benefit of the doubt, they DID shoot someone in the leg.
-------------------------------------------------------
> A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and they
> had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg.
Well, to give the police the benefit of the doubt, they DID shoot someone in the leg.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Fist Food
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:42PM
Loudoun's finest. Crazy bitch has scissors and a knife. They can't properly taser said bitch, or subdue her in some other fashion, so they go guns blazing. Somehow, deputy tard is able to shoot another cop in the leg while killing the crazy bitch.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
toldyou
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:44PM
blanche Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hasn't there been another thread on this forum
> regarding the folks handing out samples getting
> exercised over folks taking numerous samples?
I told you no good would come of this. I told you things would get out of hand - 'sample seagulls' barging the ques taking more than their share. No one listens to me then everyone is surprised when this happens. Heaven's Sake...
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hasn't there been another thread on this forum
> regarding the folks handing out samples getting
> exercised over folks taking numerous samples?
I told you no good would come of this. I told you things would get out of hand - 'sample seagulls' barging the ques taking more than their share. No one listens to me then everyone is surprised when this happens. Heaven's Sake...
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
common sense
()
Date: May 29, 2013 08:45PM
Joe Smith Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and they
> had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg. What
> a bunch of scared pussies.
If you fuck up to a point as to where a police officer is pointing a gun at you, It would behove you to listen and follow instructions.
-------------------------------------------------------
> A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and they
> had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg. What
> a bunch of scared pussies.
If you fuck up to a point as to where a police officer is pointing a gun at you, It would behove you to listen and follow instructions.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:30PM
Videos should be interesting as will the ID of the deceased.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
mark j
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:34PM
she probably was all doped up....but the cop saved taxpayers some money
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
PriapusIsGAY
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:34PM
Priapus is a punk ass bitch.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:36PM
WingNut Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Videos should be interesting as will the ID of the
> deceased.
Hundred bucks says its an almost unpronouncable name with very few vowels.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Videos should be interesting as will the ID of the
> deceased.
Hundred bucks says its an almost unpronouncable name with very few vowels.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Priapus1
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:38PM
I'm 14, a racist bitch, still live with my and hide behind a keyboard. My name is PRIAPUS.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Shocked
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:39PM
I can't believe all the hate-filled rhetoric in these posts. I think the cops should not have shot her to death.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Back to Basics
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:40PM
Mhai Scott was shot and killed by a Loudoun County Sheriff's Office deputy after she advanced on law enforcement with a knife at the Costco ...
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:43PM
Stabitha Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Videos should be interesting as will the ID of
> the
> > deceased.
>
> Hundred bucks says its an almost unpronouncable
> name with very few vowels.
You're on buddy.
What is your over/under on vowels?
I can see the profile you're getting at but I'm going with an American born wackabitch- one on heavy meds and hallucinations.
Doctors thought she could handle 10 to 15 hours a week to try to normalize her.
-------------------------------------------------------
> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Videos should be interesting as will the ID of
> the
> > deceased.
>
> Hundred bucks says its an almost unpronouncable
> name with very few vowels.
You're on buddy.
What is your over/under on vowels?
I can see the profile you're getting at but I'm going with an American born wackabitch- one on heavy meds and hallucinations.
Doctors thought she could handle 10 to 15 hours a week to try to normalize her.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:57PM
Who created this bullshit term "active shooter"? Aren't all shooters active? Just say "person firing at people."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Puddin Taint
()
Date: May 29, 2013 09:57PM
Mhai Scott. Clearly a knife wielding savage.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:00PM
Partial credit.....Mhai is nearly unpronouncable.
Whats her maiden name.....sure as hell isnt Scott.
Whats her maiden name.....sure as hell isnt Scott.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
FGkEU
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:01PM
eesh Wrote:
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> Who created this bullshit term "active shooter"?
> Aren't all shooters active? Just say "person
> firing at people."
Who created this bullshit term "person firing at people"?
Just say "active shooter."
-------------------------------------------------------
> Who created this bullshit term "active shooter"?
> Aren't all shooters active? Just say "person
> firing at people."
Who created this bullshit term "person firing at people"?
Just say "active shooter."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:05PM
FGkEU Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who created this bullshit term "active
> shooter"?
> > Aren't all shooters active? Just say "person
> > firing at people."
>
>
> Who created this bullshit term "person firing at
> people"?
> Just say "active shooter."
I think "active shooter" has that law enforcement radio protocol ring to it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Who created this bullshit term "active
> shooter"?
> > Aren't all shooters active? Just say "person
> > firing at people."
>
>
> Who created this bullshit term "person firing at
> people"?
> Just say "active shooter."
I think "active shooter" has that law enforcement radio protocol ring to it.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
kill kill kill
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:05PM
cops are bored Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> These suburban cops are just plain bored and
> unprepared when a crime actually occurs.
>
> Seriously, this woman could not have been
> restrained somehow?
>
> They had to shoot and kill her?
>
> Ridiculous.
>
> Reminds me of the kid at IHOP killed for skipping
> out on his bill.
The kid who was killed was simply riding in a car with people who allegedly skipped on the bill. Police know they can shoot people and get away with it if they are "following proper procedure". They stack the rules of the game in their favor ahead of time. It works very well for them, not so much for the not-infrequent innocent victims.
In this case, there was an "armed person" who "presented a danger" and a cop is justified in shooting to kill. No thought or common sense required on his part, just follow "procedure" and blast away.
-------------------------------------------------------
> These suburban cops are just plain bored and
> unprepared when a crime actually occurs.
>
> Seriously, this woman could not have been
> restrained somehow?
>
> They had to shoot and kill her?
>
> Ridiculous.
>
> Reminds me of the kid at IHOP killed for skipping
> out on his bill.
The kid who was killed was simply riding in a car with people who allegedly skipped on the bill. Police know they can shoot people and get away with it if they are "following proper procedure". They stack the rules of the game in their favor ahead of time. It works very well for them, not so much for the not-infrequent innocent victims.
In this case, there was an "armed person" who "presented a danger" and a cop is justified in shooting to kill. No thought or common sense required on his part, just follow "procedure" and blast away.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:06PM
Mhai sounds Thai. Looks like there are some Asian girls named Mhai after my Google image search.
She must have been really batshit.
She must have been really batshit.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:09PM
If she was screaming and yelling in one of those screechy annoying female Thai voices, I'm afraid I would have shot her too.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
had enough
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:10PM
According to sources this woman was giving out food samples and became agitated by the numerous mooches who grabbed multiple samples and returned repeatedly for free food without making any purchases. She became unhinged and had to be put down.
...Now the sample mooches can return to the free buffet...
...Now the sample mooches can return to the free buffet...
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:15PM
If she's ever given out samples at the Springfield location, I probably am at least partially to blame.
I always double and triple dip when I go there.
I always double and triple dip when I go there.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Puddin Taint
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:19PM
I can just picture the yellow hordes climbing over her dead body to get at those last few scraps of Totino's pizza.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:19PM
Sounds like this could have been avoided though.
Maybe the officers could have commandeered a forklift and chased her down or something.
Maybe the officers could have commandeered a forklift and chased her down or something.
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Cutco
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Date: May 29, 2013 10:20PM
She was just demonstrating the Ginsu!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Costco Employee
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Date: May 29, 2013 10:52PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> If she's ever given out samples at the Springfield
> location, I probably am at least partially to
> blame.
>
> I always double and triple dip when I go there.
I should've known you'd shop at my location. You probably were that guy I overheard mumbling stuff about people who had Obama stickers on their car. I'm on to you, enjoy your seconds or thirds while you can.
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> If she's ever given out samples at the Springfield
> location, I probably am at least partially to
> blame.
>
> I always double and triple dip when I go there.
I should've known you'd shop at my location. You probably were that guy I overheard mumbling stuff about people who had Obama stickers on their car. I'm on to you, enjoy your seconds or thirds while you can.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
South Jersey
()
Date: May 29, 2013 10:56PM
Lol, the OP of this post must've pissed her off:
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1188557/1198919.html#msg-1198919
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/1188557/1198919.html#msg-1198919
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
jWw4d
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Date: May 29, 2013 11:25PM
South Jersey Wrote:
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> Lol, the OP of this post must've pissed her off:
>
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/118
> 8557/1198919.html#msg-1198919
unregistered user not a mooch..... I smell a meade post.
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> Lol, the OP of this post must've pissed her off:
>
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/118
> 8557/1198919.html#msg-1198919
unregistered user not a mooch..... I smell a meade post.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Simply Pimply
()
Date: May 29, 2013 11:25PM
Pitiful, a women goes to work at her 8 dollar a hour job, gets in some BS with a supervisor and is upset dies by being hosed down by gunfire at the hands of real "Heros"
"Clear the area give me a baseball bat.." That would have handled it.
Now everybody stand back ...clear the area and give them room to break their arms off patting themselves on the back.
"I was in fear of my life so I fired" See how that works for you??
"Clear the area give me a baseball bat.." That would have handled it.
Now everybody stand back ...clear the area and give them room to break their arms off patting themselves on the back.
"I was in fear of my life so I fired" See how that works for you??
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
eD7HE
()
Date: May 30, 2013 12:53AM
Cops are not what they were even 30 years ago. They have become extremely militant in urban areas of the country. Half of them have no buisness wearing a badge let alone carry a gun. Just go onto some of these police forums and read some of the insane stuff they post up or simply youtube police brutality. I can only imagine how well the bozo cops handled the situation. This kind of stuff will become more common with lesser crimes.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
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Date: May 30, 2013 01:06AM
common sense Wrote:
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> Joe Smith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and
> they
> > had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> > stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg.
> What
> > a bunch of scared pussies.
>
>
> If you fuck up to a point as to where a police
> officer is pointing a gun at you, It would behove
> you to listen and follow instructions.
Sometimes you don't have to do a whole lot to be gunned down by the cops. Look at the case today in DFW, an older man was walking over, armed, to a neighbor's household to see if everything was okay because the home alarm was sounding. He didn't even make it out of his own driveway when the responding PD lit him up and killed him. Then, they say the LEOs were crying their eyes out because they knew how badly they had screwed up. That's nice, but it won't bring the guy back to life. Trigger happy idiots need to reigned in, or kicked off the force. LE is NOT a job for hotheads, but too often they're allowed to stay on.
Regarding the situation in Sterling, a LTL shotgun would've been a great tool to use in a situation like that. Tasers should never be the only LTL option, even a good old fashion baton/nightstick could've been utilized to disarm that lady without firing a shot. I won't bash the Deputies without 100% of the information, because they could've been dealt a crud sandwich and had no choice, but it sounds like a major issue occurred there beginning with management's handling of the situation (If they're the ones who called the cops, and/or based upon how they discussed any issues with her), and possibly ending with how the Deputies approached it as well. Even if they followed procedure, that doesn't mean that the procedure itself isn't severely lacking in effectiveness. We'll see, and I simply hope that all of the evidence and reports are released to the public. LoCo needs to be completely transparent if they wish to maintain a pretty solid reputation with the public.
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
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> Joe Smith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A woman with a knife, and a ton of cops and
> they
> > had to kill the woman? Cops around here are so
> > stupid. Why didn't they shoot her in the leg.
> What
> > a bunch of scared pussies.
>
>
> If you fuck up to a point as to where a police
> officer is pointing a gun at you, It would behove
> you to listen and follow instructions.
Sometimes you don't have to do a whole lot to be gunned down by the cops. Look at the case today in DFW, an older man was walking over, armed, to a neighbor's household to see if everything was okay because the home alarm was sounding. He didn't even make it out of his own driveway when the responding PD lit him up and killed him. Then, they say the LEOs were crying their eyes out because they knew how badly they had screwed up. That's nice, but it won't bring the guy back to life. Trigger happy idiots need to reigned in, or kicked off the force. LE is NOT a job for hotheads, but too often they're allowed to stay on.
Regarding the situation in Sterling, a LTL shotgun would've been a great tool to use in a situation like that. Tasers should never be the only LTL option, even a good old fashion baton/nightstick could've been utilized to disarm that lady without firing a shot. I won't bash the Deputies without 100% of the information, because they could've been dealt a crud sandwich and had no choice, but it sounds like a major issue occurred there beginning with management's handling of the situation (If they're the ones who called the cops, and/or based upon how they discussed any issues with her), and possibly ending with how the Deputies approached it as well. Even if they followed procedure, that doesn't mean that the procedure itself isn't severely lacking in effectiveness. We'll see, and I simply hope that all of the evidence and reports are released to the public. LoCo needs to be completely transparent if they wish to maintain a pretty solid reputation with the public.
==================================================================================================
"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Never been there...
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:07AM
...but if cops are pointing weapons at you, drop everything in your hands and put your hands behind your head--if you don't want to be executed. Just sayin.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Neighborhood Watch
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:48AM
LCSO: Deputy Shot, Killed Woman in Sterling Costco
The woman, a contract worker at the store, was allegedly threatening deputies with a knife and scissors.
http://chantilly.patch.com/articles/lcso-deputy-shot-woman-at-sterling-costco
The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office has identified the woman shot and killed by a deputy during an incident at the Costco in Sterling Wednesday afternoon as Sterling resident Mhai Scott, 38.
The sheriff’s office received reports of disorderly conduct around 3 p.m. and reported to the Costco, which is at the corner of Cascades Boulevard and Bartholomew Fair Drive, LCSO spokeswoman Liz Mills said.
Upon arrival, deputies “noticed erratic behavior” by a woman — later identified as Scott — in a fairly crowded store, Mills said.
According to an LCSO press release, Scott was threatening store employees with a knife and scissors when deputies arrived. Other reports said she was acting oddly at the end of her shift when authorities were contacted.
“After loud commands were given to drop the weapons, she raised a weapon,” Mills said. A TASER was then used in an attempt to stop Scott, Mills said.
“She continued to advance to the deputy, at which point lethal force was used,” Mills said. The other deputy fired multiple shots, according to the press release. Scott was pronounced dead at the scene.
A deputy also was struck during the shooting.
“It’s still under investigation,” Mills said when asked to describe how the deputy was wounded.
She said she was not sure whether video surveillance at the store captured the incident.
Mills said the deputy's wound was clearly related to the shooting incident, but she declined to describe it further. A statement from the office indicated the deputy was treated at a local hospital and released.
The officer who fired the shot and the officer who was wounded were placed on paid administrative leave, which Mills said is LCSO policy following a shooting incident.
Virginia State Police assisted with the incident and may assist in the investigation.
Scott worked for Club Demonstration Services, a contract service that provides workers for Costco.
Any witness who has not been interviewed by an LCSO detective is asked to call 703-777-0475.
The woman, a contract worker at the store, was allegedly threatening deputies with a knife and scissors.
http://chantilly.patch.com/articles/lcso-deputy-shot-woman-at-sterling-costco
The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office has identified the woman shot and killed by a deputy during an incident at the Costco in Sterling Wednesday afternoon as Sterling resident Mhai Scott, 38.
The sheriff’s office received reports of disorderly conduct around 3 p.m. and reported to the Costco, which is at the corner of Cascades Boulevard and Bartholomew Fair Drive, LCSO spokeswoman Liz Mills said.
Upon arrival, deputies “noticed erratic behavior” by a woman — later identified as Scott — in a fairly crowded store, Mills said.
According to an LCSO press release, Scott was threatening store employees with a knife and scissors when deputies arrived. Other reports said she was acting oddly at the end of her shift when authorities were contacted.
“After loud commands were given to drop the weapons, she raised a weapon,” Mills said. A TASER was then used in an attempt to stop Scott, Mills said.
“She continued to advance to the deputy, at which point lethal force was used,” Mills said. The other deputy fired multiple shots, according to the press release. Scott was pronounced dead at the scene.
A deputy also was struck during the shooting.
“It’s still under investigation,” Mills said when asked to describe how the deputy was wounded.
She said she was not sure whether video surveillance at the store captured the incident.
Mills said the deputy's wound was clearly related to the shooting incident, but she declined to describe it further. A statement from the office indicated the deputy was treated at a local hospital and released.
The officer who fired the shot and the officer who was wounded were placed on paid administrative leave, which Mills said is LCSO policy following a shooting incident.
Virginia State Police assisted with the incident and may assist in the investigation.
Scott worked for Club Demonstration Services, a contract service that provides workers for Costco.
Any witness who has not been interviewed by an LCSO detective is asked to call 703-777-0475.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Neighborhood Watch
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:50AM
Woman with knife fatally shot by deputy at Costco in Loudoun County
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/deputy-woman-shot-at-costco-in-loudoun-county/2013/05/29/e5c4656a-c897-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html?hpid=z2
A Loudoun County sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a woman who came at him with a knife at a busy Costco in Sterling on Wednesday afternoon, authorities said, causing confused and frightened shoppers and employees to duck behind cash registers and rush out of the store.
Two deputies went to the store to check a report of a disorderly person and used a Taser to try to subdue the woman, Loudoun Sheriff Michael Chapman said. But the woman kept advancing, so one of the deputies fired at her and killed her, the sheriff said. The second deputy was wounded, possibly when a bullet ricocheted and hit his leg. He is expected to recover.
+-Terms & Feedback.Sheriff’s officials identified the woman as Mhai Scott, 38, who lived near Dulles Town Center and worked for Club Demonstration Services, which provides services to Costco.
Renee Haber, a manager at the store, near the busy intersection of Cascades Parkway and Route 7, said Scott, who was involved in food preparation, became agitated and began to act erratically as her shift was ending. She said Scott, who had been serving pizza, began saying “crazy things” and seemed concerned about the number of servings in a pizza box.
As Scott was moving away from her serving station, Haber said, she grabbed a knife from another station and was making “strange movements.”
“She was frightening her supervisor,” Haber said. Haber said workers called police.
The first deputies arrived at the store just after 3 p.m., Chapman said. When they encountered Scott near the rear of the store, she was armed with a knife and might also have had scissors, he said.
“Preliminary indications are that she came at the deputies with a knife,” Chapman said. Sheriff’s officials said in a prepared statement Wednesday night that Scott ignored orders to drop the weapon.
“It’s a tragic situation,” the sheriff said. “I feel for everybody involved.”
Chapman said that investigators are interviewing witnesses and reviewing surveillance tapes but that he feels “confident in the way our deputies responded.”
Nora LaTeef said she had just sat down to enjoy a berry smoothie at Costco’s food court — after finishing her weekly grocery shopping with her parents — when uniformed sheriff’s deputies burst into the store. The deputies headed toward what appeared to be an employee lounge and then dashed down the aisles, crouching as they moved, LaTeef said.
LaTeef said that she could tell that the deputies “were coming in for action” and that she remarked to her mother that they should probably leave. As her father went to fill up his soda, LaTeef said, five muffled gunshots were heard.
In an instant, she said, employees and customers were screaming: “Get out of the Costco! Get out of Costco!” as they stampeded for the exit.
Peggy Waters of Cascades said she was in line at the big-box store with her 22-year-old son when she saw deputies run in with hands on their holstered guns. The deputies first jiggled a door on what she thought was an office and then headed down a main aisle to the back of the store.
Waters heard what she thought were four shots, she said, and her son heard five. “I had no idea what was going on,” she said.
Some people crouched behind the cash registers, but most ran for the nearby doors, Waters said. “I said, ‘Son, I think we better get out of here,’ ” she said, and they went to the parking lot.
Robert Krause of Ashburn said that he was near the front of the store when he heard “about five” pops but that he didn’t immediately recognize the sounds as gunfire.
“Everyone was running out of the building not knowing what was going on,” Krause said. ”I was a little scared so I got out of there pretty quick.”
Sheriff’s officials said the wounded deputy was being treated for a wound to the leg.
Krause said he saw the injured deputy being carried from the store. ”He looked like he was on his cellphone as he was being carried out, so I hope he’s okay.”
LaTeef said the incident was frightening. “It was really horrible,” she said. “You don’t feel safe, and this is our back yard. Costco is our back yard. You go there all the time.”
Caitlin Gibson/The Washington Post - A sheriff's office mobile command unit is seen in the parking lot outside the entrance to the Costco in Sterling on Wednesday.
Attachments:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/deputy-woman-shot-at-costco-in-loudoun-county/2013/05/29/e5c4656a-c897-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html?hpid=z2
A Loudoun County sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a woman who came at him with a knife at a busy Costco in Sterling on Wednesday afternoon, authorities said, causing confused and frightened shoppers and employees to duck behind cash registers and rush out of the store.
Two deputies went to the store to check a report of a disorderly person and used a Taser to try to subdue the woman, Loudoun Sheriff Michael Chapman said. But the woman kept advancing, so one of the deputies fired at her and killed her, the sheriff said. The second deputy was wounded, possibly when a bullet ricocheted and hit his leg. He is expected to recover.
+-Terms & Feedback.Sheriff’s officials identified the woman as Mhai Scott, 38, who lived near Dulles Town Center and worked for Club Demonstration Services, which provides services to Costco.
Renee Haber, a manager at the store, near the busy intersection of Cascades Parkway and Route 7, said Scott, who was involved in food preparation, became agitated and began to act erratically as her shift was ending. She said Scott, who had been serving pizza, began saying “crazy things” and seemed concerned about the number of servings in a pizza box.
As Scott was moving away from her serving station, Haber said, she grabbed a knife from another station and was making “strange movements.”
“She was frightening her supervisor,” Haber said. Haber said workers called police.
The first deputies arrived at the store just after 3 p.m., Chapman said. When they encountered Scott near the rear of the store, she was armed with a knife and might also have had scissors, he said.
“Preliminary indications are that she came at the deputies with a knife,” Chapman said. Sheriff’s officials said in a prepared statement Wednesday night that Scott ignored orders to drop the weapon.
“It’s a tragic situation,” the sheriff said. “I feel for everybody involved.”
Chapman said that investigators are interviewing witnesses and reviewing surveillance tapes but that he feels “confident in the way our deputies responded.”
Nora LaTeef said she had just sat down to enjoy a berry smoothie at Costco’s food court — after finishing her weekly grocery shopping with her parents — when uniformed sheriff’s deputies burst into the store. The deputies headed toward what appeared to be an employee lounge and then dashed down the aisles, crouching as they moved, LaTeef said.
LaTeef said that she could tell that the deputies “were coming in for action” and that she remarked to her mother that they should probably leave. As her father went to fill up his soda, LaTeef said, five muffled gunshots were heard.
In an instant, she said, employees and customers were screaming: “Get out of the Costco! Get out of Costco!” as they stampeded for the exit.
Peggy Waters of Cascades said she was in line at the big-box store with her 22-year-old son when she saw deputies run in with hands on their holstered guns. The deputies first jiggled a door on what she thought was an office and then headed down a main aisle to the back of the store.
Waters heard what she thought were four shots, she said, and her son heard five. “I had no idea what was going on,” she said.
Some people crouched behind the cash registers, but most ran for the nearby doors, Waters said. “I said, ‘Son, I think we better get out of here,’ ” she said, and they went to the parking lot.
Robert Krause of Ashburn said that he was near the front of the store when he heard “about five” pops but that he didn’t immediately recognize the sounds as gunfire.
“Everyone was running out of the building not knowing what was going on,” Krause said. ”I was a little scared so I got out of there pretty quick.”
Sheriff’s officials said the wounded deputy was being treated for a wound to the leg.
Krause said he saw the injured deputy being carried from the store. ”He looked like he was on his cellphone as he was being carried out, so I hope he’s okay.”
LaTeef said the incident was frightening. “It was really horrible,” she said. “You don’t feel safe, and this is our back yard. Costco is our back yard. You go there all the time.”
Caitlin Gibson/The Washington Post - A sheriff's office mobile command unit is seen in the parking lot outside the entrance to the Costco in Sterling on Wednesday.
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Neighborhood Watch
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:52AM
Some more pics...
Costco Work Shot in Sterling
After acting erratically, a woman wielding a knife and scissors was shot and killed by a Loudoun County Sheriff's Office deputy Wednesday.Credit Dusty Smith
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Costco Work Shot in Sterling
After acting erratically, a woman wielding a knife and scissors was shot and killed by a Loudoun County Sheriff's Office deputy Wednesday.Credit Dusty Smith
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Two Cents
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:35AM
Good old FFX Underground, I heard the news here first!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Going Postal
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Date: May 30, 2013 07:42AM
The woman was inspired by the UK muzzie attack on a British soldier. Glad the PoPo did it right this time and spared taxpayers needless expense of imprisoning her. Hope they bill her family for the ammo.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
>???<
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:51AM
Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to get her to snap out of her rage?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Fresh Fruit
()
Date: May 30, 2013 08:27AM
Use those watermelons to protect themselves. When she lunges at you with the knife, place watermelon between you and the attacker. The knife becomes stuck in the watermelon, thereby disarming the homocidal maniac.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
blue light shopper
()
Date: May 30, 2013 08:42AM
I've seen very few cameras internal to Costco (pointing at checkout/jewelry, mostly); did I miss the hidden ones?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
cholo
()
Date: May 30, 2013 08:52AM
Story is now national news. Just watch, this incident is going to be a huge lawsuit as deadly force will be questioned.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
My taxes are goin' up!
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:09AM
Add that lawsuit to the lawsuits sure to be filed relating to the shooting of the psycho MWAA cop last week. LCSO responded multiple times since 2003 and swept everything under the rug because he was a "brother cop".
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Lee.
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:31AM
>???< Wrote:
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> Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to get
> her to snap out of her rage?
No decent Police Officer wants to shoot to kill, and no department would train their Officers to do so.
In fact if a Department even thought that they had an Officer with that attitude, he would be dismissed immediatly.
All Officers (like the Military) are taught to shoor to shoot for Center Mass. If there was a serious enough threat to actually unholster a firearm (for example, five Officers vs. a Filipino woman holding a pair of scissors, plus TASER fail because of PCP or Bath Salts), much less use it, then it is a life or death situation and then it is you or them.
Shooting the gun out of the hand of the bad guy only happens in the Movies.
Shooting Center Mass helps to aleviate (not eliminate) the chance of an inocent bystander being injured.
It also reduces the chance of the perp shooting an inocent bystander, by stopping the confrontation as quickly as possible. Or the perp stabbing someone if she's "only" carrying scissors.
The Main duty of the Police Officer is to preserve life, not to endanger others in the preformance of his duty.
Unfortnately death sometimes results. This is not a desired objective, but if the situation presents, I will become Judge, Jury and executioner. It is a fact of life.
Lee L. (Retired LEO)
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> Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to get
> her to snap out of her rage?
No decent Police Officer wants to shoot to kill, and no department would train their Officers to do so.
In fact if a Department even thought that they had an Officer with that attitude, he would be dismissed immediatly.
All Officers (like the Military) are taught to shoor to shoot for Center Mass. If there was a serious enough threat to actually unholster a firearm (for example, five Officers vs. a Filipino woman holding a pair of scissors, plus TASER fail because of PCP or Bath Salts), much less use it, then it is a life or death situation and then it is you or them.
Shooting the gun out of the hand of the bad guy only happens in the Movies.
Shooting Center Mass helps to aleviate (not eliminate) the chance of an inocent bystander being injured.
It also reduces the chance of the perp shooting an inocent bystander, by stopping the confrontation as quickly as possible. Or the perp stabbing someone if she's "only" carrying scissors.
The Main duty of the Police Officer is to preserve life, not to endanger others in the preformance of his duty.
Unfortnately death sometimes results. This is not a desired objective, but if the situation presents, I will become Judge, Jury and executioner. It is a fact of life.
Lee L. (Retired LEO)
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
LoremIpsum
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:43AM
I'd like to see them shoot the people taking too many samples. In the leg would be okay.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
nigga jones
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:46AM
Never been there... Wrote:
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> ...but if cops are pointing weapons at you, drop
> everything in your hands and put your hands behind
> your head--if you don't want to be executed. Just
> sayin.
The person didn't understand english. I'm sure MR .45 translated the message.
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> ...but if cops are pointing weapons at you, drop
> everything in your hands and put your hands behind
> your head--if you don't want to be executed. Just
> sayin.
The person didn't understand english. I'm sure MR .45 translated the message.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
one in a million
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:53AM
>???< Wrote:
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> Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to get
> her to snap out of her rage?
They are not trained to "shoot in the leg" However, it would have made sense in this situation. However, I was not there, so I can't tell you if that was an option.
Fuck it, one less illegal fuck who does not speak english is fine with me.
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> Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to get
> her to snap out of her rage?
They are not trained to "shoot in the leg" However, it would have made sense in this situation. However, I was not there, so I can't tell you if that was an option.
Fuck it, one less illegal fuck who does not speak english is fine with me.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
barnaby jones
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:54AM
More than one cop with weapon ready to shoot. You have to get real close to taser someone. You would think two or three could've taken her down. Knowing several cops around me were ready to shoot would make one reluctant to attempt a takedown.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
afriend
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:56AM
y do u think dat is funny she jus had sum problesm lik everyone else she sacrificed much and fuck u if u dont know her because YOU DONT - PEACE OUT
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
g.g allin
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:02AM
afriend Wrote:
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> y do u think dat is funny she jus had sum problesm
> lik everyone else she sacrificed much and fuck u
> if u dont know her because YOU DONT - PEACE OUT
what?
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> y do u think dat is funny she jus had sum problesm
> lik everyone else she sacrificed much and fuck u
> if u dont know her because YOU DONT - PEACE OUT
what?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Tough One
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:05AM
Proof positive that you do NOT screw with the sampler ladies!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Wisdom
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:10AM
Lee. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >???< Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to get
> > her to snap out of her rage?
>
>
> No decent Police Officer wants to shoot to kill,
> and no department would train their Officers to do
> so.
>
> In fact if a Department even thought that they had
> an Officer with that attitude, he would be
> dismissed immediatly.
>
> All Officers (like the Military) are taught to
> shoor to shoot for Center Mass. If there was a
> serious enough threat to actually unholster a
> firearm (for example, five Officers vs. a Filipino
> woman holding a pair of scissors, plus TASER fail
> because of PCP or Bath Salts), much less use it,
> then it is a life or death situation and then it
> is you or them.
>
> Shooting the gun out of the hand of the bad guy
> only happens in the Movies.
>
> Shooting Center Mass helps to aleviate (not
> eliminate) the chance of an inocent bystander
> being injured.
>
> It also reduces the chance of the perp shooting an
> inocent bystander, by stopping the confrontation
> as quickly as possible. Or the perp stabbing
> someone if she's "only" carrying scissors.
>
> The Main duty of the Police Officer is to preserve
> life, not to endanger others in the preformance of
> his duty.
>
> Unfortnately death sometimes results. This is not
> a desired objective, but if the situation
> presents, I will become Judge, Jury and
> executioner. It is a fact of life.
>
> Lee L. (Retired LEO)
"You know, people always ask, 'do you shoot to maim or shoot to kill?' I always say empty the chamber and let God decide."
- Deputy Garcia, Reno 911
Amen.
-------------------------------------------------------
> >???< Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to get
> > her to snap out of her rage?
>
>
> No decent Police Officer wants to shoot to kill,
> and no department would train their Officers to do
> so.
>
> In fact if a Department even thought that they had
> an Officer with that attitude, he would be
> dismissed immediatly.
>
> All Officers (like the Military) are taught to
> shoor to shoot for Center Mass. If there was a
> serious enough threat to actually unholster a
> firearm (for example, five Officers vs. a Filipino
> woman holding a pair of scissors, plus TASER fail
> because of PCP or Bath Salts), much less use it,
> then it is a life or death situation and then it
> is you or them.
>
> Shooting the gun out of the hand of the bad guy
> only happens in the Movies.
>
> Shooting Center Mass helps to aleviate (not
> eliminate) the chance of an inocent bystander
> being injured.
>
> It also reduces the chance of the perp shooting an
> inocent bystander, by stopping the confrontation
> as quickly as possible. Or the perp stabbing
> someone if she's "only" carrying scissors.
>
> The Main duty of the Police Officer is to preserve
> life, not to endanger others in the preformance of
> his duty.
>
> Unfortnately death sometimes results. This is not
> a desired objective, but if the situation
> presents, I will become Judge, Jury and
> executioner. It is a fact of life.
>
> Lee L. (Retired LEO)
"You know, people always ask, 'do you shoot to maim or shoot to kill?' I always say empty the chamber and let God decide."
- Deputy Garcia, Reno 911
Amen.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
P4bhU
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:17AM
Lee L.: Shooting center mass means shooting to kill. You can't sit there and tell me that that demonstrates a respect for preserving life. Unless the person has a hostage, there are dozens of ways to handle a situation like that. At least, tell everyone else to get away and talk to the person, try to calm them down.
And you know what? Law enforcement is a high risk job, and officers assume that risk when they take the job. So I expect officers to risk their lives to save others -- not shoot center mass just because someone has a blade. You get no sympathy from me just because you may feel bad about killing someone, after the fact.
This combat-style LEO training is to blame.
And you know what? Law enforcement is a high risk job, and officers assume that risk when they take the job. So I expect officers to risk their lives to save others -- not shoot center mass just because someone has a blade. You get no sympathy from me just because you may feel bad about killing someone, after the fact.
This combat-style LEO training is to blame.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
agreed
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:19AM
Deputy Garcia now works for Fairfax County Police as a Traffic Officer.
Wisdom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lee. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >???< Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to
> get
> > > her to snap out of her rage?
> >
> >
> > No decent Police Officer wants to shoot to
> kill,
> > and no department would train their Officers to
> do
> > so.
> >
> > In fact if a Department even thought that they
> had
> > an Officer with that attitude, he would be
> > dismissed immediatly.
> >
> > All Officers (like the Military) are taught to
> > shoor to shoot for Center Mass. If there was a
> > serious enough threat to actually unholster a
> > firearm (for example, five Officers vs. a
> Filipino
> > woman holding a pair of scissors, plus TASER
> fail
> > because of PCP or Bath Salts), much less use
> it,
> > then it is a life or death situation and then
> it
> > is you or them.
> >
> > Shooting the gun out of the hand of the bad guy
> > only happens in the Movies.
> >
> > Shooting Center Mass helps to aleviate (not
> > eliminate) the chance of an inocent bystander
> > being injured.
> >
> > It also reduces the chance of the perp shooting
> an
> > inocent bystander, by stopping the
> confrontation
> > as quickly as possible. Or the perp stabbing
> > someone if she's "only" carrying scissors.
> >
> > The Main duty of the Police Officer is to
> preserve
> > life, not to endanger others in the preformance
> of
> > his duty.
> >
> > Unfortnately death sometimes results. This is
> not
> > a desired objective, but if the situation
> > presents, I will become Judge, Jury and
> > executioner. It is a fact of life.
> >
> > Lee L. (Retired LEO)
>
>
> "You know, people always ask, 'do you shoot to
> maim or shoot to kill?' I always say empty the
> chamber and let God decide."
>
> - Deputy Garcia, Reno 911
>
> Amen.
Deputy Garcia now works for Fairfax County Police as a Traffic Officer.
Attachments:
Wisdom Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lee. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >???< Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to
> get
> > > her to snap out of her rage?
> >
> >
> > No decent Police Officer wants to shoot to
> kill,
> > and no department would train their Officers to
> do
> > so.
> >
> > In fact if a Department even thought that they
> had
> > an Officer with that attitude, he would be
> > dismissed immediatly.
> >
> > All Officers (like the Military) are taught to
> > shoor to shoot for Center Mass. If there was a
> > serious enough threat to actually unholster a
> > firearm (for example, five Officers vs. a
> Filipino
> > woman holding a pair of scissors, plus TASER
> fail
> > because of PCP or Bath Salts), much less use
> it,
> > then it is a life or death situation and then
> it
> > is you or them.
> >
> > Shooting the gun out of the hand of the bad guy
> > only happens in the Movies.
> >
> > Shooting Center Mass helps to aleviate (not
> > eliminate) the chance of an inocent bystander
> > being injured.
> >
> > It also reduces the chance of the perp shooting
> an
> > inocent bystander, by stopping the
> confrontation
> > as quickly as possible. Or the perp stabbing
> > someone if she's "only" carrying scissors.
> >
> > The Main duty of the Police Officer is to
> preserve
> > life, not to endanger others in the preformance
> of
> > his duty.
> >
> > Unfortnately death sometimes results. This is
> not
> > a desired objective, but if the situation
> > presents, I will become Judge, Jury and
> > executioner. It is a fact of life.
> >
> > Lee L. (Retired LEO)
>
>
> "You know, people always ask, 'do you shoot to
> maim or shoot to kill?' I always say empty the
> chamber and let God decide."
>
> - Deputy Garcia, Reno 911
>
> Amen.
Deputy Garcia now works for Fairfax County Police as a Traffic Officer.
Attachments:
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
never again
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:20AM
Tough One Wrote:
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> Proof positive that you do NOT screw with the
> sampler ladies!
No shit!! Staying clear of that noise.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Proof positive that you do NOT screw with the
> sampler ladies!
No shit!! Staying clear of that noise.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Fools Gold
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:49AM
Yeah this story is unwrapping differently than it first came out. The media jumped all over this at the start as another random shooting. Then it was lady with knife stabs cop, then lady with knife and/or scissors just threatens cops...
They said that the taser didn't affect her, it must have gotten stuck in clothes. But really, they could have clubbed her, maced her...that was a little fast to shoot someone.
Then again, its easy to judge sitting at your comfy desk. I remember reading the headlines of "defenseless 17 y/o manhandled by cop" but once I saw the video it was quite a different story. It was a 250lb ghetto b!tch, who was larger and stronger than the cop. This young teen had spat at him and pushed him..it was all the cop could do to restrain her, and when he did he got repremanded for assaulting and mistreating a "poor defensless teen"
They said that the taser didn't affect her, it must have gotten stuck in clothes. But really, they could have clubbed her, maced her...that was a little fast to shoot someone.
Then again, its easy to judge sitting at your comfy desk. I remember reading the headlines of "defenseless 17 y/o manhandled by cop" but once I saw the video it was quite a different story. It was a 250lb ghetto b!tch, who was larger and stronger than the cop. This young teen had spat at him and pushed him..it was all the cop could do to restrain her, and when he did he got repremanded for assaulting and mistreating a "poor defensless teen"
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
PoPo
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:53AM
Lee. Wrote:
---------------------------
"You know, people always ask, 'do you shoot to
maim or shoot to kill?' I always say empty the
chamber and let God decide."
- Deputy Garcia, Reno 911
Amen.
Best quote ever!
---------------------------
"You know, people always ask, 'do you shoot to
maim or shoot to kill?' I always say empty the
chamber and let God decide."
- Deputy Garcia, Reno 911
Amen.
Best quote ever!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Judge Green
()
Date: May 30, 2013 10:59AM
Fools Gold Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah this story is unwrapping differently than it
> first came out. The media jumped all over this at
> the start as another random shooting. Then it was
> lady with knife stabs cop, then lady with knife
> and/or scissors just threatens cops...
>
> They said that the taser didn't affect her, it
> must have gotten stuck in clothes. But really,
> they could have clubbed her, maced her...that was
> a little fast to shoot someone.
>
> Then again, its easy to judge sitting at your
> comfy desk. I remember reading the headlines of
> "defenseless 17 y/o manhandled by cop" but once I
> saw the video it was quite a different story. It
> was a 250lb ghetto b!tch, who was larger and
> stronger than the cop. This young teen had spat at
> him and pushed him..it was all the cop could do to
> restrain her, and when he did he got repremanded
> for assaulting and mistreating a "poor defensless
> teen"
All ghetto bitches deserve to be killed just for drawing air. Asian ladies giving out free Totino's pizza bites (sorry, I took two and not one...) do not deserve to be killed.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah this story is unwrapping differently than it
> first came out. The media jumped all over this at
> the start as another random shooting. Then it was
> lady with knife stabs cop, then lady with knife
> and/or scissors just threatens cops...
>
> They said that the taser didn't affect her, it
> must have gotten stuck in clothes. But really,
> they could have clubbed her, maced her...that was
> a little fast to shoot someone.
>
> Then again, its easy to judge sitting at your
> comfy desk. I remember reading the headlines of
> "defenseless 17 y/o manhandled by cop" but once I
> saw the video it was quite a different story. It
> was a 250lb ghetto b!tch, who was larger and
> stronger than the cop. This young teen had spat at
> him and pushed him..it was all the cop could do to
> restrain her, and when he did he got repremanded
> for assaulting and mistreating a "poor defensless
> teen"
All ghetto bitches deserve to be killed just for drawing air. Asian ladies giving out free Totino's pizza bites (sorry, I took two and not one...) do not deserve to be killed.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
welcome to the real world
()
Date: May 30, 2013 11:16AM
P4bhU Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lee L.: Shooting center mass means shooting to
> kill. You can't sit there and tell me that that
> demonstrates a respect for preserving life. Unless
> the person has a hostage, there are dozens of ways
> to handle a situation like that. At least, tell
> everyone else to get away and talk to the person,
> try to calm them down.
>
> And you know what? Law enforcement is a high risk
> job, and officers assume that risk when they take
> the job. So I expect officers to risk their lives
> to save others -- not shoot center mass just
> because someone has a blade. You get no sympathy
> from me just because you may feel bad about
> killing someone, after the fact.
>
> This combat-style LEO training is to blame.
Obviously someone who either lives in Mom's basement, has seen to many reruns of Baretta, or both
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lee L.: Shooting center mass means shooting to
> kill. You can't sit there and tell me that that
> demonstrates a respect for preserving life. Unless
> the person has a hostage, there are dozens of ways
> to handle a situation like that. At least, tell
> everyone else to get away and talk to the person,
> try to calm them down.
>
> And you know what? Law enforcement is a high risk
> job, and officers assume that risk when they take
> the job. So I expect officers to risk their lives
> to save others -- not shoot center mass just
> because someone has a blade. You get no sympathy
> from me just because you may feel bad about
> killing someone, after the fact.
>
> This combat-style LEO training is to blame.
Obviously someone who either lives in Mom's basement, has seen to many reruns of Baretta, or both
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
South Jersey
()
Date: May 30, 2013 11:22AM
> Obviously someone who either lives in Mom's
> basement, has seen to many reruns of Baretta, or
> both
Ooh, nice burn!
> basement, has seen to many reruns of Baretta, or
> both
Ooh, nice burn!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
kill them all
()
Date: May 30, 2013 11:25AM
Lee. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >???< Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to
> get
> > her to snap out of her rage?
>
>
> No decent Police Officer wants to shoot to kill,
> and no department would train their Officers to do
> so.
>
> In fact if a Department even thought that they had
> an Officer with that attitude, he would be
> dismissed immediatly.
>
> All Officers (like the Military) are taught to
> shoor to shoot for Center Mass. If there was a
> serious enough threat to actually unholster a
> firearm (for example, five Officers vs. a Filipino
> woman holding a pair of scissors, plus TASER fail
> because of PCP or Bath Salts), much less use it,
> then it is a life or death situation and then it
> is you or them.
>
> Shooting the gun out of the hand of the bad guy
> only happens in the Movies.
>
> Shooting Center Mass helps to aleviate (not
> eliminate) the chance of an inocent bystander
> being injured.
>
> It also reduces the chance of the perp shooting an
> inocent bystander, by stopping the confrontation
> as quickly as possible. Or the perp stabbing
> someone if she's "only" carrying scissors.
>
> The Main duty of the Police Officer is to preserve
> life, not to endanger others in the preformance of
> his duty.
>
> Unfortnately death sometimes results. This is not
> a desired objective, but if the situation
> presents, I will become Judge, Jury and
> executioner. It is a fact of life.
>
> Lee L. (Retired LEO)
You are contradicting yourself and may not realize it. The reason for shooting the center of mass it to kill. At one time the military shot to wound, as wounded were more of a burden on the enemy. The current philosophy is always shoot to kill.
The police always ensure it is their official policy to aim for center of mass and shoot first when "feeling threatened" so that any officer who shoots someone is sure to be exonerated. This is all about paving the way for killings of unarmed people. All they need to do is apologize and say "the officer was following proper procedures". In the current country we live in, a badge is a license to kill.
-------------------------------------------------------
> >???< Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why didn't they just shoot her in the leg to
> get
> > her to snap out of her rage?
>
>
> No decent Police Officer wants to shoot to kill,
> and no department would train their Officers to do
> so.
>
> In fact if a Department even thought that they had
> an Officer with that attitude, he would be
> dismissed immediatly.
>
> All Officers (like the Military) are taught to
> shoor to shoot for Center Mass. If there was a
> serious enough threat to actually unholster a
> firearm (for example, five Officers vs. a Filipino
> woman holding a pair of scissors, plus TASER fail
> because of PCP or Bath Salts), much less use it,
> then it is a life or death situation and then it
> is you or them.
>
> Shooting the gun out of the hand of the bad guy
> only happens in the Movies.
>
> Shooting Center Mass helps to aleviate (not
> eliminate) the chance of an inocent bystander
> being injured.
>
> It also reduces the chance of the perp shooting an
> inocent bystander, by stopping the confrontation
> as quickly as possible. Or the perp stabbing
> someone if she's "only" carrying scissors.
>
> The Main duty of the Police Officer is to preserve
> life, not to endanger others in the preformance of
> his duty.
>
> Unfortnately death sometimes results. This is not
> a desired objective, but if the situation
> presents, I will become Judge, Jury and
> executioner. It is a fact of life.
>
> Lee L. (Retired LEO)
You are contradicting yourself and may not realize it. The reason for shooting the center of mass it to kill. At one time the military shot to wound, as wounded were more of a burden on the enemy. The current philosophy is always shoot to kill.
The police always ensure it is their official policy to aim for center of mass and shoot first when "feeling threatened" so that any officer who shoots someone is sure to be exonerated. This is all about paving the way for killings of unarmed people. All they need to do is apologize and say "the officer was following proper procedures". In the current country we live in, a badge is a license to kill.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Marine Sniper
()
Date: May 30, 2013 11:37AM
Dead men tell no tales...but cameras sure do.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Lee.
()
Date: May 30, 2013 11:38AM
kill them all Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You are contradicting yourself and may not realize
> it. The reason for shooting the center of mass it
> to kill.
No. Cops shoot Center Mass to stop, not to kill.
If the threat is serious enough to *SHOOT*, it's serious enough to shoot Center Mass until the threat is neutralized ... the choice of dying is left up to the bullet catcher.
"I think of my friend, my dear friend whom I think about so often. He was out of the police academy for four years when he was shot and killed. Ambushed from the side, he was shot in the upper torso, under the arm. The round lodged in his chest. His partner reported that he gargled on his blood and then he was gone. Yes, not everyone who gets shot center mass dies, but unfortunately some do. Unfortunately."
-------------------------------------------------------
> You are contradicting yourself and may not realize
> it. The reason for shooting the center of mass it
> to kill.
No. Cops shoot Center Mass to stop, not to kill.
If the threat is serious enough to *SHOOT*, it's serious enough to shoot Center Mass until the threat is neutralized ... the choice of dying is left up to the bullet catcher.
"I think of my friend, my dear friend whom I think about so often. He was out of the police academy for four years when he was shot and killed. Ambushed from the side, he was shot in the upper torso, under the arm. The round lodged in his chest. His partner reported that he gargled on his blood and then he was gone. Yes, not everyone who gets shot center mass dies, but unfortunately some do. Unfortunately."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mrs Costco
()
Date: May 30, 2013 11:55AM
So if I'm in Costco wheeling around my giant grocery cart full of Kirkland toilet paper and a shooting occurs, do I abandon my cart or live out my fantasy and push that cart out the doors and pretend I won a shopping spree?
also, if you've already paid for your tp on a pallet and are approaching the Costco Receipt Highlighter and a shooting occurs...do you have to wait for your receipt to be highlighted or do you run out? What if you leave Costco with an unhighlighted receipt? Can you highlight it yourself?
And really, how in the world does Costco handle transactions that happened just as customers had to flee? Wonder if the store was looted?
also, if you've already paid for your tp on a pallet and are approaching the Costco Receipt Highlighter and a shooting occurs...do you have to wait for your receipt to be highlighted or do you run out? What if you leave Costco with an unhighlighted receipt? Can you highlight it yourself?
And really, how in the world does Costco handle transactions that happened just as customers had to flee? Wonder if the store was looted?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
FIVE SHOTS????
()
Date: May 30, 2013 12:04PM
One of the deputies was injured in the leg during the shooting, possibly by a ricochet. This injury was not life threatening.
Witnesses described at least five shots being fired.
Robert Krause of Ashburn was at the front of the store when the conflict occured, "This kind of thing doesn’t normally happen here. I didn’t want to be a hero so I got out of there. Half the store was running out too."
Witnesses described at least five shots being fired.
Robert Krause of Ashburn was at the front of the store when the conflict occured, "This kind of thing doesn’t normally happen here. I didn’t want to be a hero so I got out of there. Half the store was running out too."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Ka Pow
()
Date: May 30, 2013 12:18PM
FIVE SHOTS???? Wrote:
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> Witnesses described at least five shots being
> fired.
That and the fact that another officer was hit by one of those might suggest the shooter was a little too...excited...while firing.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Witnesses described at least five shots being
> fired.
That and the fact that another officer was hit by one of those might suggest the shooter was a little too...excited...while firing.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Refugee
()
Date: May 30, 2013 12:36PM
You have got to be kidding me. A woman, with knife and scissors? They couldn't somehow restrain her or at least shoot a warning shot or shoot her in the foot or something? they had to kill her? If she had a gun I guess I could understand-cops have to deal with a lot and protect themselves. But this has out-of-control cop written all over it. I hope her family sues.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Refugee
()
Date: May 30, 2013 12:39PM
Plus "accidentally" shooting another cop? This guy needs to turn in his badge and possibly be charged with something. Unreal. If I still lived in that shit county I would be really upset. I am anyways. That's just wrong. I hope they LCPD gets fried over this.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Ka Pow
()
Date: May 30, 2013 12:46PM
Perhaps this incident suggests that Loudoun County get a real police department?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
G7chC
()
Date: May 30, 2013 01:14PM
"the choice of dying is left up to the bullet catcher." Are you fucking serious?
I'm really glad you're retired and not still active. I don't understand how you can be so emotional and introspective about police deaths, and at the same time so nonchalant about civilian deaths at the hands of police. This is one of the biggest problems with law enforcement right now: their exceptionalism. They are not, and do not consider themselves to be, one of "us".
Lee. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> kill them all Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are contradicting yourself and may not
> realize
> > it. The reason for shooting the center of mass
> it
> > to kill.
>
>
> No. Cops shoot Center Mass to stop, not to kill.
>
> If the threat is serious enough to *SHOOT*, it's
> serious enough to shoot Center Mass until the
> threat is neutralized ... the choice of dying is
> left up to the bullet catcher.
>
> "I think of my friend, my dear friend whom I think
> about so often. He was out of the police academy
> for four years when he was shot and killed.
> Ambushed from the side, he was shot in the upper
> torso, under the arm. The round lodged in his
> chest. His partner reported that he gargled on
> his blood and then he was gone. Yes, not everyone
> who gets shot center mass dies, but unfortunately
> some do. Unfortunately."
I'm really glad you're retired and not still active. I don't understand how you can be so emotional and introspective about police deaths, and at the same time so nonchalant about civilian deaths at the hands of police. This is one of the biggest problems with law enforcement right now: their exceptionalism. They are not, and do not consider themselves to be, one of "us".
Lee. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> kill them all Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are contradicting yourself and may not
> realize
> > it. The reason for shooting the center of mass
> it
> > to kill.
>
>
> No. Cops shoot Center Mass to stop, not to kill.
>
> If the threat is serious enough to *SHOOT*, it's
> serious enough to shoot Center Mass until the
> threat is neutralized ... the choice of dying is
> left up to the bullet catcher.
>
> "I think of my friend, my dear friend whom I think
> about so often. He was out of the police academy
> for four years when he was shot and killed.
> Ambushed from the side, he was shot in the upper
> torso, under the arm. The round lodged in his
> chest. His partner reported that he gargled on
> his blood and then he was gone. Yes, not everyone
> who gets shot center mass dies, but unfortunately
> some do. Unfortunately."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Don't charge an armed man..duh
()
Date: May 30, 2013 01:22PM
Refugee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You have got to be kidding me. A woman, with
> knife and scissors? They couldn't somehow
> restrain her or at least shoot a warning shot or
> shoot her in the foot or something? they had to
> kill her? If she had a gun I guess I could
> understand-cops have to deal with a lot and
> protect themselves. But this has out-of-control
> cop written all over it. I hope her family sues.
You guys have seriously been watching too many movies.
No cop will aim for the foot, leg, or attempt to shoot the gun out of the criminal's hand. This isn't NCIS or CSI its real life.
Cops are trained to shot for center of mass because (statistically speaking) shooting that area is most likely to result in a critical hit and stop the threat. In basketball terms its a high percentage shot from the foul line. And yes sometimes that results in death. Shit happens. Bad decisions have consequences.
-------------------------------------------------------
> You have got to be kidding me. A woman, with
> knife and scissors? They couldn't somehow
> restrain her or at least shoot a warning shot or
> shoot her in the foot or something? they had to
> kill her? If she had a gun I guess I could
> understand-cops have to deal with a lot and
> protect themselves. But this has out-of-control
> cop written all over it. I hope her family sues.
You guys have seriously been watching too many movies.
No cop will aim for the foot, leg, or attempt to shoot the gun out of the criminal's hand. This isn't NCIS or CSI its real life.
Cops are trained to shot for center of mass because (statistically speaking) shooting that area is most likely to result in a critical hit and stop the threat. In basketball terms its a high percentage shot from the foul line. And yes sometimes that results in death. Shit happens. Bad decisions have consequences.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 30, 2013 01:26PM
From what I have read, this situation appears to have been mishandled by the cops. Obviously we dont know all the details but I find it hard to believe 3 cops couldnt use non lethal force to subdue a crazy female with a knife. A combination of pepper spray, a tazer, and maybe a couple wacks with a night stick should have done the trick.
Unless she was flipped out on PCP or acid or something, which I doubt considering she was making and serving pizza. From what I have read, she hadnt even threatened anyone, just made her supervisor "nervous" about her nutty behavior.
Very strange story.
Unless she was flipped out on PCP or acid or something, which I doubt considering she was making and serving pizza. From what I have read, she hadnt even threatened anyone, just made her supervisor "nervous" about her nutty behavior.
Very strange story.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
yep
()
Date: May 30, 2013 01:29PM
Yeah, you guys are right. They could have run from her yelling "maam please put down the blade" or approached her with milk and cookies hoping their generosity would break her psychosis. Or maybe they should have allowed themselves to be stabbed severely to show she had intent to harm before they pepper sprayed her or tried to tackle her.
Or maybe better yet, stand there and talk amongst themselves developing a plan to take her down while allowing her to lunge at other citizens. The police do not have to allow themselves to be harmed. Nor do they owe it to anyone to be harmed. This woman was clearly past the point of reason and did what she did
If she was having a psychotic episode, sorry but you don't get a free pass bc youre crazy.
Or maybe better yet, stand there and talk amongst themselves developing a plan to take her down while allowing her to lunge at other citizens. The police do not have to allow themselves to be harmed. Nor do they owe it to anyone to be harmed. This woman was clearly past the point of reason and did what she did
If she was having a psychotic episode, sorry but you don't get a free pass bc youre crazy.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 30, 2013 01:32PM
You have swung to far the other way buddy. There is an area between doing what you suggest and killing her.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Knives can kill too
()
Date: May 30, 2013 01:41PM
Most of you in this thread are so full of shit.
You're telling me that if you were holding a gun and someone charged you with a knife that you wouldn't shoot them? Nigga please.
You're telling me that if you were holding a gun and someone charged you with a knife that you wouldn't shoot them? Nigga please.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
you would be surprised
()
Date: May 30, 2013 01:47PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> You have swung to far the other way buddy. There
> is an area between doing what you suggest and
> killing her.
That usually involves someone getting stabbed,a lot of people think these things play out in slow motion like a movie, its over in seconds. The main objective in police training is for you to not get killed. There is something called a 21 foot rule, once the suspect breaks that barrier it escalates to deadly force.Try drawing a gun with someone running or lunging at you, not as easy as you might think, but then again there are many veterens of several seasons of Foxe's "Cops" on here that certainly know more than real cops.
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> You have swung to far the other way buddy. There
> is an area between doing what you suggest and
> killing her.
That usually involves someone getting stabbed,a lot of people think these things play out in slow motion like a movie, its over in seconds. The main objective in police training is for you to not get killed. There is something called a 21 foot rule, once the suspect breaks that barrier it escalates to deadly force.Try drawing a gun with someone running or lunging at you, not as easy as you might think, but then again there are many veterens of several seasons of Foxe's "Cops" on here that certainly know more than real cops.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Civilian
()
Date: May 30, 2013 02:07PM
As much as I don't want to 2nd guess the cops, it's unfortunate these days that so many actions seem to automatically lead to death sentences without due process.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
accuser is nuts as well
()
Date: May 30, 2013 02:18PM
Just saw the lady--supervisor? interviewed on Channel 9.
She seemed a bit wacky herself.
She seemed a bit wacky herself.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
CbCc6
()
Date: May 30, 2013 02:20PM
Expect more of this behavior by the police. Youtube is enough evidence a vast majority of police officers are on a power hungry ego trip. There was also that officer out in culpepper who killed a lady and said "damn now im going to loose my job" after the fact. There has to be some sort of police oversight, currently the police are policing themselves. Every officer involved shooting or questionable excessive force needs to be investigated by a 3rd party that has zero contact with the police departments. I hate to say it but a lot of these cops are VET's that have serious mental issues. In great britain they deal with knife wielding maniacs all the time without firearms. A little lady with a small kitchen knife 3 cops could not subdue.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
so you were there?
()
Date: May 30, 2013 02:23PM
says the person behind the keyboard
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
bjcLP
()
Date: May 30, 2013 03:17PM
CbCc6 Wrote:
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> I hate to say it but a lot of these cops are VET's that
> have serious mental issues.
>
> In great britain they deal with knife wielding maniacs
> all the time without firearms.
Great point.
With the militarization of the police, cops have gotten more and more violent in the past 20 years.
Guns in the hands of cops today are the equivalent of the once-popular LAPD chokehold that was banned years ago -- too many people are dying at the hands of the police as the result of relatively trivial offenses.
We need a complete overhaul of the use of deadly force by police.
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> I hate to say it but a lot of these cops are VET's that
> have serious mental issues.
>
> In great britain they deal with knife wielding maniacs
> all the time without firearms.
Great point.
With the militarization of the police, cops have gotten more and more violent in the past 20 years.
Guns in the hands of cops today are the equivalent of the once-popular LAPD chokehold that was banned years ago -- too many people are dying at the hands of the police as the result of relatively trivial offenses.
We need a complete overhaul of the use of deadly force by police.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
7ejHM
()
Date: May 30, 2013 04:18PM
Of course, we are talking about an event in Loudon County. So to bring the thread around to Fairfax County, it is worthwhile to remember that Fairfax County police enjoy a degree of freedom from public accountability that few police forces its size do, anywhere else in the country. Virginia Citizens Coalition For Police Accountability, Inc. is a non-profit founded by a retired D.C. detective to establish greater public accountability for Fairfax County police. Their address:
CCPA
Post Office Box 7800
Alexandria, VA 22307
If you agree that FCPD needs greater public accountability, then please contact your county supervisor and let that person know. And until a citizens' review board is established for FCPD, every time an incident like the one at Costco comes up, contact your supervisor again and ask them why there still is no review board.
I am a supporter of CCPA, but I am not in any leadership positions within the organization.
CCPA
Post Office Box 7800
Alexandria, VA 22307
If you agree that FCPD needs greater public accountability, then please contact your county supervisor and let that person know. And until a citizens' review board is established for FCPD, every time an incident like the one at Costco comes up, contact your supervisor again and ask them why there still is no review board.
I am a supporter of CCPA, but I am not in any leadership positions within the organization.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Lap buddy?
()
Date: May 30, 2013 04:46PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> You have swung to far the other way buddy. There
> is an area between doing what you suggest and
> killing her.
Still sitting on your stupid drunk buddies lap? He must have reamed you good since you talk out of your ass. Or is your mouth full of cock?
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> You have swung to far the other way buddy. There
> is an area between doing what you suggest and
> killing her.
Still sitting on your stupid drunk buddies lap? He must have reamed you good since you talk out of your ass. Or is your mouth full of cock?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
YMPwe
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:01PM
1. There was no IMMEDIATE threat to anyone else, including the police.
2. There are MANY non-lethal procedures to stop a person out of control. Especially with THREE officers around the "crazy"person.
3. Even if the person was "charging" at the police officer - any calm and trained law enforcement professional could physically move to avoid being hurt. Unless it was one of the less physically fit officers I have seen around Loudoun.
Honestly, there was no valid reason or need to kill that person. I would be embarrassed, as a police officer, if I could not find an alternative to lethal force under the circumstances.
If they were having a "crazy" episode - where is the compassion for another human being? The patience to try ALL alternatives, even backing up or off, so the person may have a chance to regain their senses. What about PROTECTING the woman, even from herself, until she could be detained and HELPED?
Unless there are some new details I am unaware of, the only crime was the homicide of a woman by the police (No matter what her state of mind).
She needed HELP, not DEATH.
2. There are MANY non-lethal procedures to stop a person out of control. Especially with THREE officers around the "crazy"person.
3. Even if the person was "charging" at the police officer - any calm and trained law enforcement professional could physically move to avoid being hurt. Unless it was one of the less physically fit officers I have seen around Loudoun.
Honestly, there was no valid reason or need to kill that person. I would be embarrassed, as a police officer, if I could not find an alternative to lethal force under the circumstances.
If they were having a "crazy" episode - where is the compassion for another human being? The patience to try ALL alternatives, even backing up or off, so the person may have a chance to regain their senses. What about PROTECTING the woman, even from herself, until she could be detained and HELPED?
Unless there are some new details I am unaware of, the only crime was the homicide of a woman by the police (No matter what her state of mind).
She needed HELP, not DEATH.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Tough One
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:02PM
YMPwe Wrote:
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> 1. There was no IMMEDIATE threat to anyone else,
> including the police.
>
> 2. There are MANY non-lethal procedures to stop a
> person out of control. Especially with THREE
> officers around the "crazy"person.
>
> 3. Even if the person was "charging" at the police
> officer - any calm and trained law enforcement
> professional could physically move to avoid being
> hurt. Unless it was one of the less physically fit
> officers I have seen around Loudoun.
>
> Honestly, there was no valid reason or need to
> kill that person. I would be embarrassed, as a
> police officer, if I could not find an alternative
> to lethal force under the circumstances.
>
> If they were having a "crazy" episode - where is
> the compassion for another human being? The
> patience to try ALL alternatives, even backing up
> or off, so the person may have a chance to regain
> their senses. What about PROTECTING the woman,
> even from herself, until she could be detained and
> HELPED?
>
> Unless there are some new details I am unaware of,
> the only crime was the homicide of a woman by the
> police (No matter what her state of mind).
>
> She needed HELP, not DEATH.
She pulls a knife, death is the result. Read some public safety manuals. True its sad that she needed help, but the officer discharged his weapon on someone with a knife. Not a little smokie or pretzel wrap.
-------------------------------------------------------
> 1. There was no IMMEDIATE threat to anyone else,
> including the police.
>
> 2. There are MANY non-lethal procedures to stop a
> person out of control. Especially with THREE
> officers around the "crazy"person.
>
> 3. Even if the person was "charging" at the police
> officer - any calm and trained law enforcement
> professional could physically move to avoid being
> hurt. Unless it was one of the less physically fit
> officers I have seen around Loudoun.
>
> Honestly, there was no valid reason or need to
> kill that person. I would be embarrassed, as a
> police officer, if I could not find an alternative
> to lethal force under the circumstances.
>
> If they were having a "crazy" episode - where is
> the compassion for another human being? The
> patience to try ALL alternatives, even backing up
> or off, so the person may have a chance to regain
> their senses. What about PROTECTING the woman,
> even from herself, until she could be detained and
> HELPED?
>
> Unless there are some new details I am unaware of,
> the only crime was the homicide of a woman by the
> police (No matter what her state of mind).
>
> She needed HELP, not DEATH.
She pulls a knife, death is the result. Read some public safety manuals. True its sad that she needed help, but the officer discharged his weapon on someone with a knife. Not a little smokie or pretzel wrap.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:04PM
Loudoun County is probably already drawing up a settlement proposal for her family. This is going to cost them. Too many witnesses.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Tough One
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:11PM
Any pressure cookers involved? It sounds like a pressure cooker, getting worked up, and stupid enough to pull a knife on a LEO. In that case, for the safety of the police officer(s) and civilians, their options are very limited.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mother of Two
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:16PM
"Tough One" you should change your name to "Heartless One."
I hope the police shoot one of your loved ones (if you have any).
I hope the police shoot one of your loved ones (if you have any).
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Tough One
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:21PM
Mother of Two Wrote:
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> "Tough One" you should change your name to
> "Heartless One."
>
> I hope the police shoot one of your loved ones (if
> you have any).
Don't like poor humor, my bad. How about having a warm cup of shut the fuck up, and just be happy that no one else, other than a person wielding a knife was shot. Now go back to your soccer game.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2013 05:21PM by Tough One.
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> "Tough One" you should change your name to
> "Heartless One."
>
> I hope the police shoot one of your loved ones (if
> you have any).
Don't like poor humor, my bad. How about having a warm cup of shut the fuck up, and just be happy that no one else, other than a person wielding a knife was shot. Now go back to your soccer game.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2013 05:21PM by Tough One.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
You first bitch
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:25PM
Ah, calling someone "heartless"...the mating call of the brain-dead liberal female voter.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Tough One
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:27PM
You first bitch Wrote:
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> Ah, calling someone "heartless"...the mating call
> of the brain-dead liberal female voter.
Pretty much, and then wishing one of my family members shot. Well, there are a few I don't particularly like LOL. Then again, none of them are crazy/stupid enough, take your pick, to pull a knife on a police officer.
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> Ah, calling someone "heartless"...the mating call
> of the brain-dead liberal female voter.
Pretty much, and then wishing one of my family members shot. Well, there are a few I don't particularly like LOL. Then again, none of them are crazy/stupid enough, take your pick, to pull a knife on a police officer.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Suicide by cop?
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:53PM
Maybe she did not have the guts to kill herself. It happens. Sad for all involved.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:58PM
Yeah, the more I hear, the less I like this story.
I am totally not one of these knee jerks who blame law enforcement everytime something ends badly, but it seems in a store this big they could have worn her down or at least isolated her instead of airing her out. Would have taken a lot of patience and restraint, but just maybe.
I want videos and an investigation, and I want to know how many shots were fired as the details are conflicting at best.
I am totally not one of these knee jerks who blame law enforcement everytime something ends badly, but it seems in a store this big they could have worn her down or at least isolated her instead of airing her out. Would have taken a lot of patience and restraint, but just maybe.
I want videos and an investigation, and I want to know how many shots were fired as the details are conflicting at best.
idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
hU7Wy
()
Date: May 30, 2013 05:59PM
Fortunately, people like "Tough One" are fast becoming a small minority of voters around here. What he or she says doesn't matter and doesn't reflect any truth about how police are supposed to operate.
For anyone interested in FCPD General Orders, they are posted online (kudos to FCPD for making these available, although some SOPs are redacted that I think should not be): http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/inside-fcpd/pdf/5401.pdf
summarizing relevant portions of the General Orders:
Regarding Deadly Force:
1. Deadly force shall not be used unless it is reasonably necessary.
2. The officer must believe that an imminent threat of death or serious injury exists, *and* that all other methods of force to establish control would be or have already proven to be ineffective.
3. When taking a mentally disturbed person into custody, only a reasonably necessary amount of force to overcome resistance is justified. Also see #2 above.
4. An officer using justified deadly force shall not do so in a way that endangers innocent bystanders.
Regarding Non-Deadly Use of Force:
1. OC spray is suggested as an option when it is reasonably necessary to overcome resistance to a lawful arrest; when defending against assault; when establishing custody of a mentally disturbed person; and when pursuing a fleeing suspect.
2. A conducted energy weapon is suggested as an option when deadly force does not appear to be immediately necessary; when verbal commands or physical control are ineffective; or when it is unsafe to approach within contact range of the person.
3. Specifically, the order states that a CEW may be effective when a subject has made active movements to avoid physical control or during the apprehensioni of subjects armed with weapons other than firearms.
For anyone interested in FCPD General Orders, they are posted online (kudos to FCPD for making these available, although some SOPs are redacted that I think should not be): http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/inside-fcpd/pdf/5401.pdf
summarizing relevant portions of the General Orders:
Regarding Deadly Force:
1. Deadly force shall not be used unless it is reasonably necessary.
2. The officer must believe that an imminent threat of death or serious injury exists, *and* that all other methods of force to establish control would be or have already proven to be ineffective.
3. When taking a mentally disturbed person into custody, only a reasonably necessary amount of force to overcome resistance is justified. Also see #2 above.
4. An officer using justified deadly force shall not do so in a way that endangers innocent bystanders.
Regarding Non-Deadly Use of Force:
1. OC spray is suggested as an option when it is reasonably necessary to overcome resistance to a lawful arrest; when defending against assault; when establishing custody of a mentally disturbed person; and when pursuing a fleeing suspect.
2. A conducted energy weapon is suggested as an option when deadly force does not appear to be immediately necessary; when verbal commands or physical control are ineffective; or when it is unsafe to approach within contact range of the person.
3. Specifically, the order states that a CEW may be effective when a subject has made active movements to avoid physical control or during the apprehensioni of subjects armed with weapons other than firearms.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
psycho alert
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:02PM
You first bitch Wrote:
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> Ah, calling someone "heartless"...the mating call
> of the brain-dead liberal female voter.
classy guy--hope you don't have kids.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ah, calling someone "heartless"...the mating call
> of the brain-dead liberal female voter.
classy guy--hope you don't have kids.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
not good enough
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:04PM
Renee Haber, a manager at the store, near the busy intersection of Cascades Parkway and Route 7, said Scott, who was involved in food preparation, became agitated and began to act erratically as her shift was ending. She said Scott, who had been serving pizza, began saying “crazy things” and seemed concerned about the number of servings in a pizza box.
As Scott was moving away from her serving station, Haber said, she grabbed a knife from another station and was making “strange movements.”
Saying craxy things? Could we get some specifics Renee Haber?
A woman was KILLED. Can we PLEASE get details.
I know the cops are covering their ass but what the hell really happened?
As Scott was moving away from her serving station, Haber said, she grabbed a knife from another station and was making “strange movements.”
Saying craxy things? Could we get some specifics Renee Haber?
A woman was KILLED. Can we PLEASE get details.
I know the cops are covering their ass but what the hell really happened?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Smith
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:09PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Yeah, the more I hear, the less I like this story.
>
>
> I am totally not one of these knee jerks who blame
> law enforcement everytime something ends badly,
> but it seems in a store this big they could have
> worn her down or at least isolated her instead of
> airing her out. Would have taken a lot of patience
> and restraint, but just maybe.
>
> I want videos and an investigation, and I want to
> know how many shots were fired as the details are
> conflicting at best.
The cops didn't have patience because they were hungry and Dunkin Donuts was open.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah, the more I hear, the less I like this story.
>
>
> I am totally not one of these knee jerks who blame
> law enforcement everytime something ends badly,
> but it seems in a store this big they could have
> worn her down or at least isolated her instead of
> airing her out. Would have taken a lot of patience
> and restraint, but just maybe.
>
> I want videos and an investigation, and I want to
> know how many shots were fired as the details are
> conflicting at best.
The cops didn't have patience because they were hungry and Dunkin Donuts was open.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
hU7Wy
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:13PM
Keep in mind that what I just summarized were Fairfax County Police Department general orders, not those of Loudon County. I only hope FCPD officers are better trained, but we have seen similar stories in Fairfax County too.
So here are my questions:
1. If the officer saw fit to use a CEW (taser), then he determined that deadly force did not appear to be immediately necessary. The woman had a knife then, so what changed?
2. Once he used the taser and it didn't work, there were likely still other options.
- There were other officers there, did they have tasers? If so, why didn't they use theirs before deadly force was applied?
- Did the officer have OC spray? Why not use that?
3. The officer shot the gun recklessly, demonstrated by the friendly fire injury sustained by the other officer.
4. It seems clear that not all other methods of force were attempted before the officer decided to shoot. The General Orders (FFX Co at least) specify that deadly force is a last resort.
Now, it is true that things like this happen fast. The officer had little time to make his or her decision. But the officer resorted to deadly force way too fast, reflecting either not enough training in arrest operations, or simply cowardice. I am hoping that Internal Affairs will fully investigate, and that the officer will be sanctioned in some way. The most appropriate way would be that the officer is no longer authorized to carry a firearm and is appointed to a desk job instead, or let go.
So here are my questions:
1. If the officer saw fit to use a CEW (taser), then he determined that deadly force did not appear to be immediately necessary. The woman had a knife then, so what changed?
2. Once he used the taser and it didn't work, there were likely still other options.
- There were other officers there, did they have tasers? If so, why didn't they use theirs before deadly force was applied?
- Did the officer have OC spray? Why not use that?
3. The officer shot the gun recklessly, demonstrated by the friendly fire injury sustained by the other officer.
4. It seems clear that not all other methods of force were attempted before the officer decided to shoot. The General Orders (FFX Co at least) specify that deadly force is a last resort.
Now, it is true that things like this happen fast. The officer had little time to make his or her decision. But the officer resorted to deadly force way too fast, reflecting either not enough training in arrest operations, or simply cowardice. I am hoping that Internal Affairs will fully investigate, and that the officer will be sanctioned in some way. The most appropriate way would be that the officer is no longer authorized to carry a firearm and is appointed to a desk job instead, or let go.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Smith
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:16PM
Anyone have a picture of the dead woman?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:17PM
WingNut Wrote:
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> > I want videos and an investigation, and I want to
> know how many shots were fired as the details are
> conflicting at best.
I dont know for certain, but I would imagine Costco's have a gazillion video cams to keep track of employee theft and shoplifters. Every square inch of that store is probably surveiled. There should be some video (unless the cops have already advised Costco to say the cameras were broken or some such BS)
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> > I want videos and an investigation, and I want to
> know how many shots were fired as the details are
> conflicting at best.
I dont know for certain, but I would imagine Costco's have a gazillion video cams to keep track of employee theft and shoplifters. Every square inch of that store is probably surveiled. There should be some video (unless the cops have already advised Costco to say the cameras were broken or some such BS)
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:19PM
I agree it may have been reckless with the officer getting the friendly fire to the leg. I wonder what he thinks?
I'm sure it wasn't 1st degree murder and the Monday morning QB thing is easy, but I think there are a fuck ton of questions that need to be answered.
I'm sure it wasn't 1st degree murder and the Monday morning QB thing is easy, but I think there are a fuck ton of questions that need to be answered.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
hU7Wy
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:20PM
I'm pretty sure these witnesses -- those who spoke to the media -- quoted to the reporters the exact words they thought they heard her say, and described for them her specific movements. It is the reporters who are generalizing those statements into "crazy things" and "erratic behavior." I wonder why; maybe they're afraid of being swept up in the investigation and inevitable trial?
Internal Affairs is supposed to interview every single witness they can find. However, I doubt the public will ever see transcripts from those interviews.
Therefore, since the media and the police are unlikely to provide any details, look for some Loudon County bulletin boards and try to find the answer there. Then tell us what you hear.
not good enough Wrote:
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> Renee Haber, a manager at the store, near the busy
> intersection of Cascades Parkway and Route 7, said
> Scott, who was involved in food preparation,
> became agitated and began to act erratically as
> her shift was ending. She said Scott, who had been
> serving pizza, began saying “crazy things” and
> seemed concerned about the number of servings in a
> pizza box.
>
> As Scott was moving away from her serving station,
> Haber said, she grabbed a knife from another
> station and was making “strange movements.”
>
>
> Saying craxy things? Could we get some specifics
> Renee Haber?
>
> A woman was KILLED. Can we PLEASE get details.
>
> I know the cops are covering their ass but what
> the hell really happened?
Internal Affairs is supposed to interview every single witness they can find. However, I doubt the public will ever see transcripts from those interviews.
Therefore, since the media and the police are unlikely to provide any details, look for some Loudon County bulletin boards and try to find the answer there. Then tell us what you hear.
not good enough Wrote:
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> Renee Haber, a manager at the store, near the busy
> intersection of Cascades Parkway and Route 7, said
> Scott, who was involved in food preparation,
> became agitated and began to act erratically as
> her shift was ending. She said Scott, who had been
> serving pizza, began saying “crazy things” and
> seemed concerned about the number of servings in a
> pizza box.
>
> As Scott was moving away from her serving station,
> Haber said, she grabbed a knife from another
> station and was making “strange movements.”
>
>
> Saying craxy things? Could we get some specifics
> Renee Haber?
>
> A woman was KILLED. Can we PLEASE get details.
>
> I know the cops are covering their ass but what
> the hell really happened?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
No no no
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:24PM
Joe Smith Wrote:
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>
> The cops didn't have patience because they were
> hungry and Dunkin Donuts was open.
That's not it at all. They anticipated her taking the pizza without paying, and getting in her car to head for the exit. At that point they would be forced to shoot into the side of the car while hiding in between parked cars. Not a good scene in a Costco parking lot.
Or if she left the parking lot and drove down the street, they would be forced to shoot her when she stopped at a traffic light, which would have caused a rush hour disaster.
Therefore, shooting in the store was justified.
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>
> The cops didn't have patience because they were
> hungry and Dunkin Donuts was open.
That's not it at all. They anticipated her taking the pizza without paying, and getting in her car to head for the exit. At that point they would be forced to shoot into the side of the car while hiding in between parked cars. Not a good scene in a Costco parking lot.
Or if she left the parking lot and drove down the street, they would be forced to shoot her when she stopped at a traffic light, which would have caused a rush hour disaster.
Therefore, shooting in the store was justified.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Smith
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:26PM
If I was in that store and I saw some woman with I knife I would have sneaked up behind her and twisted her arm, tackled her and hold her down for the cops.
I would have been a damned hero. Not like those punk ass pigs.
I would have been a damned hero. Not like those punk ass pigs.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Tough One
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:30PM
Suicide by cop? Wrote:
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> Maybe she did not have the guts to kill herself.
> It happens. Sad for all involved.
Indeed it is. Our mental health care system in not only this county but the U.S. does stink. There's no denying it, and such an event is sad for the officer, those nearby, and this woman's family. An investigation is already under way, but from all accounts, a woman yielding a knife at officers, is justifiable in most circumstances.
That officer, whether right or wrong, is going to have to live with that the rest of his life. That's not something anyone wants to have to do, and I have many friends that work in LE, and that's their biggest hope, to never have to encounter such an event. Whatever happened there, I'm hoping the CCTV will provide answers, but this woman could have hurt other customers, and put herself in a bad position, along with the officer/s responding.
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> Maybe she did not have the guts to kill herself.
> It happens. Sad for all involved.
Indeed it is. Our mental health care system in not only this county but the U.S. does stink. There's no denying it, and such an event is sad for the officer, those nearby, and this woman's family. An investigation is already under way, but from all accounts, a woman yielding a knife at officers, is justifiable in most circumstances.
That officer, whether right or wrong, is going to have to live with that the rest of his life. That's not something anyone wants to have to do, and I have many friends that work in LE, and that's their biggest hope, to never have to encounter such an event. Whatever happened there, I'm hoping the CCTV will provide answers, but this woman could have hurt other customers, and put herself in a bad position, along with the officer/s responding.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:31PM
Joe Smith Wrote:
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> If I was in that store and I saw some woman with I
> knife I would have sneaked up behind her and
> twisted her arm, tackled her and hold her down for
> the cops.
>
> I would have been a damned hero. Not like those
> punk ass pigs.
I dunno man, no one has really qualified how berserk she was acting- if she was waving a blade and holding her ground or if she was aggressive and lunging at everyone.
What I wonder about is this:
were people out of the store and away from the knife wielder?
How or why did the police get close enough to become endangered or did she rush them?
How much time elapsed between the cops arrival and the shots being fired?
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> If I was in that store and I saw some woman with I
> knife I would have sneaked up behind her and
> twisted her arm, tackled her and hold her down for
> the cops.
>
> I would have been a damned hero. Not like those
> punk ass pigs.
I dunno man, no one has really qualified how berserk she was acting- if she was waving a blade and holding her ground or if she was aggressive and lunging at everyone.
What I wonder about is this:
were people out of the store and away from the knife wielder?
How or why did the police get close enough to become endangered or did she rush them?
How much time elapsed between the cops arrival and the shots being fired?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
u idiots
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:37PM
lots of tough guy talk by idiots with a keyboard. maybe you should of been a cop instead a pussy with your desk job and pocket protectors. easy to talk about shoulda coulda woulda when your stupid asses werent even there. fyi, tasers are not effective on all people. loose clothing, no contact with the skin, darts to close together, or one missed dart, and it wont have the desired effect. fact is, she charged at two officers with a knife who gave her commands to drop it. they dont have to attempt to taser her first when she had a knife, but they tried to. attempting to taser or pepper spray someone requires you to be close to them, and they can easily close the distance faster than you can pull out a gun. she made the choice to charge at them with a... wait for it.....DEADLY WEAPON!!! she got what she deserved for not doing what she was told to do. im betting she has mental issues and prob suppose to be on meds that she refused to take. no normal rational person would do what she did when the cops showed up.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
crazed pigs
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:47PM
u idiots Wrote:
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> lots of tough guy talk by idiots with a keyboard.
> maybe you should of been a cop instead a pussy
> with your desk job and pocket protectors. easy to
> talk about shoulda coulda woulda when your stupid
> asses werent even there. fyi, tasers are not
> effective on all people. loose clothing, no
> contact with the skin, darts to close together, or
> one missed dart, and it wont have the desired
> effect. fact is, she charged at two officers with
> a knife who gave her commands to drop it. they
> dont have to attempt to taser her first when she
> had a knife, but they tried to. attempting to
> taser or pepper spray someone requires you to be
> close to them, and they can easily close the
> distance faster than you can pull out a gun. she
> made the choice to charge at them with a... wait
> for it.....DEADLY WEAPON!!! she got what she
> deserved for not doing what she was told to do. im
> betting she has mental issues and prob suppose to
> be on meds that she refused to take. no normal
> rational person would do what she did when the
> cops showed up.
READ CAREFULLY. THIS ^^^^ IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A COPS MENTALITY THESE DAYS.
A bunch of fucking lunatics. I bet they high fived each other after the incident. What else could they have used???? lets see 3 cans of chemical mace to start off with or assesed the situation before they got all military tacktical and were "forced" to shoot her. This was not a 200 pound man weilding A butcher knife.
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> lots of tough guy talk by idiots with a keyboard.
> maybe you should of been a cop instead a pussy
> with your desk job and pocket protectors. easy to
> talk about shoulda coulda woulda when your stupid
> asses werent even there. fyi, tasers are not
> effective on all people. loose clothing, no
> contact with the skin, darts to close together, or
> one missed dart, and it wont have the desired
> effect. fact is, she charged at two officers with
> a knife who gave her commands to drop it. they
> dont have to attempt to taser her first when she
> had a knife, but they tried to. attempting to
> taser or pepper spray someone requires you to be
> close to them, and they can easily close the
> distance faster than you can pull out a gun. she
> made the choice to charge at them with a... wait
> for it.....DEADLY WEAPON!!! she got what she
> deserved for not doing what she was told to do. im
> betting she has mental issues and prob suppose to
> be on meds that she refused to take. no normal
> rational person would do what she did when the
> cops showed up.
READ CAREFULLY. THIS ^^^^ IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A COPS MENTALITY THESE DAYS.
A bunch of fucking lunatics. I bet they high fived each other after the incident. What else could they have used???? lets see 3 cans of chemical mace to start off with or assesed the situation before they got all military tacktical and were "forced" to shoot her. This was not a 200 pound man weilding A butcher knife.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
u idiots
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:50PM
a knife is a knife. doesnt matter who is using it. size has nothing to do with it. i bet if she had a gun, you stupid idiots would expect them to pepper spray her anyway. again, you dumb fucks dont get it. tasers and pepper spray have to be used at a close distance. not like you cant use them from 50 feet away.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
liedar
()
Date: May 30, 2013 06:56PM
I love when cops come on here and make themselves look like de-sensitized weirdos. Shocks me that some of these guys carry a gun and badge around.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Smith
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:00PM
u idiots Wrote:
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> lots of tough guy talk by idiots with a keyboard.
> maybe you should of been a cop instead a pussy
> with your desk job and pocket protectors. easy to
> talk about shoulda coulda woulda when your stupid
> asses werent even there. fyi, tasers are not
> effective on all people. loose clothing, no
> contact with the skin, darts to close together, or
> one missed dart, and it wont have the desired
> effect. fact is, she charged at two officers with
> a knife who gave her commands to drop it. they
> dont have to attempt to taser her first when she
> had a knife, but they tried to. attempting to
> taser or pepper spray someone requires you to be
> close to them, and they can easily close the
> distance faster than you can pull out a gun. she
> made the choice to charge at them with a... wait
> for it.....DEADLY WEAPON!!! she got what she
> deserved for not doing what she was told to do. im
> betting she has mental issues and prob suppose to
> be on meds that she refused to take. no normal
> rational person would do what she did when the
> cops showed up.
You probably are a cop. I can tell you have no education by the way you type.
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> lots of tough guy talk by idiots with a keyboard.
> maybe you should of been a cop instead a pussy
> with your desk job and pocket protectors. easy to
> talk about shoulda coulda woulda when your stupid
> asses werent even there. fyi, tasers are not
> effective on all people. loose clothing, no
> contact with the skin, darts to close together, or
> one missed dart, and it wont have the desired
> effect. fact is, she charged at two officers with
> a knife who gave her commands to drop it. they
> dont have to attempt to taser her first when she
> had a knife, but they tried to. attempting to
> taser or pepper spray someone requires you to be
> close to them, and they can easily close the
> distance faster than you can pull out a gun. she
> made the choice to charge at them with a... wait
> for it.....DEADLY WEAPON!!! she got what she
> deserved for not doing what she was told to do. im
> betting she has mental issues and prob suppose to
> be on meds that she refused to take. no normal
> rational person would do what she did when the
> cops showed up.
You probably are a cop. I can tell you have no education by the way you type.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
trigger happy
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:01PM
Eye witness says cops were slowly backing up when they shot her.
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22461183/witness-deputies-were-backing-away-from-suspect-at-costco-shooting#axzz2UosbAQUK
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22461183/witness-deputies-were-backing-away-from-suspect-at-costco-shooting#axzz2UosbAQUK
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
486
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:04PM
So, what are you? A cop? Police *do* have to try other things before shooting in a situation like that. You say she charged at them -- so, how far away were they from her, and how fast was she running? How fast is 'charge'?
Death is not 'what someone deserves' for not doing what they are told to do.
Fucking idiot you are.
u idiots Wrote:
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> lots of tough guy talk by idiots with a keyboard.
> maybe you should of been a cop instead a pussy
> with your desk job and pocket protectors. easy to
> talk about shoulda coulda woulda when your stupid
> asses werent even there. fyi, tasers are not
> effective on all people. loose clothing, no
> contact with the skin, darts to close together, or
> one missed dart, and it wont have the desired
> effect. fact is, she charged at two officers with
> a knife who gave her commands to drop it. they
> dont have to attempt to taser her first when she
> had a knife, but they tried to. attempting to
> taser or pepper spray someone requires you to be
> close to them, and they can easily close the
> distance faster than you can pull out a gun. she
> made the choice to charge at them with a... wait
> for it.....DEADLY WEAPON!!! she got what she
> deserved for not doing what she was told to do. im
> betting she has mental issues and prob suppose to
> be on meds that she refused to take. no normal
> rational person would do what she did when the
> cops showed up.
Death is not 'what someone deserves' for not doing what they are told to do.
Fucking idiot you are.
u idiots Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> lots of tough guy talk by idiots with a keyboard.
> maybe you should of been a cop instead a pussy
> with your desk job and pocket protectors. easy to
> talk about shoulda coulda woulda when your stupid
> asses werent even there. fyi, tasers are not
> effective on all people. loose clothing, no
> contact with the skin, darts to close together, or
> one missed dart, and it wont have the desired
> effect. fact is, she charged at two officers with
> a knife who gave her commands to drop it. they
> dont have to attempt to taser her first when she
> had a knife, but they tried to. attempting to
> taser or pepper spray someone requires you to be
> close to them, and they can easily close the
> distance faster than you can pull out a gun. she
> made the choice to charge at them with a... wait
> for it.....DEADLY WEAPON!!! she got what she
> deserved for not doing what she was told to do. im
> betting she has mental issues and prob suppose to
> be on meds that she refused to take. no normal
> rational person would do what she did when the
> cops showed up.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
who cares
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:07PM
@trigger happy, theres a store full of people that could become victims if this woman took off running. cops are paid not to back up and deal with a threat to themselves and the public. should they just keep backing up till they cant go any further? thats an idiotic comment. like someone posted earlier, she was prob a nut off her meds. a normal person would have dropped the knife when told to by someone holding a gun.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
MTjxG
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:13PM
who cares Wrote:
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> @trigger happy, theres a store full of people that
> could become victims if this woman took off
> running. cops are paid not to back up and deal
> with a threat to themselves and the public. should
> they just keep backing up till they cant go any
> further? thats an idiotic comment. like someone
> posted earlier, she was prob a nut off her meds. a
> normal person would have dropped the knife when
> told to by someone holding a gun.
Sure a 100 pound asain woman was a grave threat to everyone. lolz. If she was she would have hurt people long before the cops showed up. Get a grip on reality.
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> @trigger happy, theres a store full of people that
> could become victims if this woman took off
> running. cops are paid not to back up and deal
> with a threat to themselves and the public. should
> they just keep backing up till they cant go any
> further? thats an idiotic comment. like someone
> posted earlier, she was prob a nut off her meds. a
> normal person would have dropped the knife when
> told to by someone holding a gun.
Sure a 100 pound asain woman was a grave threat to everyone. lolz. If she was she would have hurt people long before the cops showed up. Get a grip on reality.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
who cares
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:16PM
yeah, 100 pound woman cant kill a grown man with a knife. oh, thats right. how many woman have killed thier husbands or boyfriends with knives in the history of mankind. what a bunch of tards on this site. i guees in your fantasy world nothing bad can happen to you either.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
who cares
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:17PM
i bet those dead guys thought the same thing, right up until that 100 pound woman stabbed them with that knife. bet they changed their minds about it then.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:26PM
u idiots Wrote:
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> attempting pepper spray someone requires you to be
> close to them, and they can easily close the
> distance faster than you can pull out a gun.
Bullshit.
I have pepper spray and it shoots a good 15-20 feet. Unless she had a 20 foot long knife, I think they could have hosed her down. 3 of them, 3 cans of spray. No way she's not going down.
You ever been pepper sprayed? It's not something you just shrug off and continue your attack.
None of us were there so this is conversation is basically a waste of time. This is just my opinion.
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> attempting pepper spray someone requires you to be
> close to them, and they can easily close the
> distance faster than you can pull out a gun.
Bullshit.
I have pepper spray and it shoots a good 15-20 feet. Unless she had a 20 foot long knife, I think they could have hosed her down. 3 of them, 3 cans of spray. No way she's not going down.
You ever been pepper sprayed? It's not something you just shrug off and continue your attack.
None of us were there so this is conversation is basically a waste of time. This is just my opinion.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Liberal guy
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:35PM
Tasers, pepper spray and retractable batons that will break any bone it hits. As another poster stated in great britan they deal with these situations without firearms. Non-letal force could and should have worked. The bigger picture here is that law enforcement will enforce their own interpertation of the law with impunity in the near future if not already. Each inch eventually turns into a foot, keep that in mind.
Trained fighters v.s. a small asain. Unreal.
Trained fighters v.s. a small asain. Unreal.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
u idiots
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:40PM
@sabitha, yes, i have been sprayed with pepper spray atleast a dozen times and also tasered during training with private govt contractors. pepper spray doesnt work on everyone, neither does a taser. pepper spray has little effect on me anymore, although a taser does if its functions properly. meaning the darts are spread far enough apart, it penatrates the clothing and both darts make contact. now you know my background, so what is yours? none obviously like most of these monday morning quarterbacks on here. cops are trained with the 21 foot rule. what that means to you in simple terms. a subject with a knife or other deadly weapon can close the distance of 21 feet and attack you effectively before you can draw your pistol. that has been proven, and in any type of police training it is something they show recruits and have them try it first hand. even though they know its coming, they still cant stop the threat before it reaches them. search it on youtube, im sure you will find it and you can see for yourself. i dont deal in public law enforcement, but i have done training all over with military, civilian contractors, and law enforcement agency's. this is the same practice taught all around and it saves lives of the responders involved. sorry you people dont like it or get it, but thats what happens in those situations when people dont do what officers tell them to do in a dangerous situation. she made a choice not to comply. i wasnt there, nor where any of you, but i have more knowledge of situations like that than all of you probably do. until you are in a situation like that, you cant sit there and say "why didnt they do this, or do that instead".
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:42PM
Just to be fair, my GF waves a knife around at the Springfield Costco about twice a year and everyone just kinda laughs.
She is white though of course.
She is white though of course.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
eeXvC
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:43PM
Blah Blah Blah tl;tr
120 pound Asain vs 3 or more cops
120 pound Asain vs 3 or more cops
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
u idiots
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:43PM
by the way, cops are not trained fighters. you would be surprised how many of them have never been in a fight in their lives. they are not trained to fight, they are trained to subdue and apprehend people. its not the same thing. now military soldiers, thats a totaly different story. they get training that you are thinking of.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
u idiots
()
Date: May 30, 2013 07:44PM
I can do what I want, thats all that matters civys!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
aolT.
()
Date: May 30, 2013 08:17PM
So, the bigger issue is- Will I get my free samples when I hit costco on saturday? I would hate to resort to roaming whole foods for their healthy samples.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Not a Cop
()
Date: May 30, 2013 09:18PM
@ U Idiots
You say "they are trained to subdue and apprehend people" Whats your fucking defintion of subdue?
Subdue-Def- To bring under control...not kill.
Join the Army or Core if you want to kill.... you pussy traffic cop.
You say "they are trained to subdue and apprehend people" Whats your fucking defintion of subdue?
Subdue-Def- To bring under control...not kill.
Join the Army or Core if you want to kill.... you pussy traffic cop.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe Freitag
()
Date: May 31, 2013 06:14AM
Shame they didn't mace and club her before shooting her. Missed opportunity!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joe somebody
()
Date: May 31, 2013 06:49AM
liedar Wrote:
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> I love when cops come on here and make themselves
> look like de-sensitized weirdos. Shocks me that
> some of these guys carry a gun and badge around.
I love when people with no training or real world experiences come on here and make themselves look like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they are able to find their way to their menial and meaning less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was there I would have...."
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> I love when cops come on here and make themselves
> look like de-sensitized weirdos. Shocks me that
> some of these guys carry a gun and badge around.
I love when people with no training or real world experiences come on here and make themselves look like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they are able to find their way to their menial and meaning less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was there I would have...."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
TENt9
()
Date: May 31, 2013 07:11AM
I coulda took her eyes out with a BB gun. At least she'd be alive. Sad.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Big Joe
()
Date: May 31, 2013 07:16AM
Joe somebody Wrote:
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> I love when people with no training or real world
> experiences come on here and make themselves look
> like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they are
> able to find their way to their menial and meaning
> less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was there I
> would have...."
Yep, they're affectionately known as "Monday Morning Quarterbacks". They have all the strategies they would have used if they were in the game. "They are the heroes of their own stories."
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> I love when people with no training or real world
> experiences come on here and make themselves look
> like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they are
> able to find their way to their menial and meaning
> less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was there I
> would have...."
Yep, they're affectionately known as "Monday Morning Quarterbacks". They have all the strategies they would have used if they were in the game. "They are the heroes of their own stories."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
mjTKx
()
Date: May 31, 2013 08:55AM
Joe Freitag Wrote:
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> Shame they didn't mace and club her before
> shooting her. Missed opportunity!
Is your brother Barry still gay?
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> Shame they didn't mace and club her before
> shooting her. Missed opportunity!
Is your brother Barry still gay?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
vPT4p
()
Date: May 31, 2013 09:02AM
YMPwe Wrote:
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> 1. There was no IMMEDIATE threat to anyone else,
> including the police.
>
> 2. There are MANY non-lethal procedures to stop a
> person out of control. Especially with THREE
> officers around the "crazy"person.
>
> 3. Even if the person was "charging" at the police
> officer - any calm and trained law enforcement
> professional could physically move to avoid being
> hurt. Unless it was one of the less physically fit
> officers I have seen around Loudoun.
>
> Honestly, there was no valid reason or need to
> kill that person. I would be embarrassed, as a
> police officer, if I could not find an alternative
> to lethal force under the circumstances.
>
> If they were having a "crazy" episode - where is
> the compassion for another human being? The
> patience to try ALL alternatives, even backing up
> or off, so the person may have a chance to regain
> their senses. What about PROTECTING the woman,
> even from herself, until she could be detained and
> HELPED?
>
> Unless there are some new details I am unaware of,
> the only crime was the homicide of a woman by the
> police (No matter what her state of mind).
>
> She needed HELP, not DEATH.
Agreed, these dumb fucks who think it was ok to shoot a small woman with a knife are showing just how cowardice they are in real life.
There was more than one police officer there and this just adds up to one officer WANTING to finally shoot their gun. Most likely the officer should serve be prosecuted and punished with murder.
Also, BULLSHIT on pepper spray not affecting some people and it sprays like 30 feet. You can not be trained out of the affects of the spray.
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> 1. There was no IMMEDIATE threat to anyone else,
> including the police.
>
> 2. There are MANY non-lethal procedures to stop a
> person out of control. Especially with THREE
> officers around the "crazy"person.
>
> 3. Even if the person was "charging" at the police
> officer - any calm and trained law enforcement
> professional could physically move to avoid being
> hurt. Unless it was one of the less physically fit
> officers I have seen around Loudoun.
>
> Honestly, there was no valid reason or need to
> kill that person. I would be embarrassed, as a
> police officer, if I could not find an alternative
> to lethal force under the circumstances.
>
> If they were having a "crazy" episode - where is
> the compassion for another human being? The
> patience to try ALL alternatives, even backing up
> or off, so the person may have a chance to regain
> their senses. What about PROTECTING the woman,
> even from herself, until she could be detained and
> HELPED?
>
> Unless there are some new details I am unaware of,
> the only crime was the homicide of a woman by the
> police (No matter what her state of mind).
>
> She needed HELP, not DEATH.
Agreed, these dumb fucks who think it was ok to shoot a small woman with a knife are showing just how cowardice they are in real life.
There was more than one police officer there and this just adds up to one officer WANTING to finally shoot their gun. Most likely the officer should serve be prosecuted and punished with murder.
Also, BULLSHIT on pepper spray not affecting some people and it sprays like 30 feet. You can not be trained out of the affects of the spray.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Guy11
()
Date: May 31, 2013 10:01AM
The fact that one of the cops got hit by friendly fire, is enough for me to say It wasn't necessary to fire that many shots.
If a women is running after you with a knife, and the cop is 20 feet away, and he can't hit that target dead on, he needs to be suspended. One shot to this lady would have messed her up enough to get the knife away.
To be honest, unless this girl was on some sort of crazy drugs, or having a medical issue. I think she could have been talked out of it.
I still believe LCPD is way way better then FCPD. But they need to seriously speak up about this, and tell all the facts and what they plan to do better in the future. We have so many non-lethally methods of taking people down.
If a women is running after you with a knife, and the cop is 20 feet away, and he can't hit that target dead on, he needs to be suspended. One shot to this lady would have messed her up enough to get the knife away.
To be honest, unless this girl was on some sort of crazy drugs, or having a medical issue. I think she could have been talked out of it.
I still believe LCPD is way way better then FCPD. But they need to seriously speak up about this, and tell all the facts and what they plan to do better in the future. We have so many non-lethally methods of taking people down.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
lolwtf
()
Date: May 31, 2013 10:14AM
Cool story bros.
Why don't you just wait and see what the investigation reveals. The deputies have their accounts, lots of witnesses, and possibly video surveillance footage. It may have been completely necessary. There's not remotely enough information for the general public to make a determination was to whether or not the force was necessary. One thing I can tell you for a fact is that she wouldn't have been shot if she wasn't holding a knife and scissors and taking threatening actions. The whole situation could have been avoided by her prior to being killed.
Why don't you just wait and see what the investigation reveals. The deputies have their accounts, lots of witnesses, and possibly video surveillance footage. It may have been completely necessary. There's not remotely enough information for the general public to make a determination was to whether or not the force was necessary. One thing I can tell you for a fact is that she wouldn't have been shot if she wasn't holding a knife and scissors and taking threatening actions. The whole situation could have been avoided by her prior to being killed.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
SmileYou'reOnCandidCamera
()
Date: May 31, 2013 10:55AM
lolwtf Wrote:
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> Cool story bros.
>
> Why don't you just wait and see what the
> investigation reveals. The deputies have their
> accounts, lots of witnesses, and possibly video
> surveillance footage. It may have been completely
> necessary. There's not remotely enough information
> for the general public to make a determination was
> to whether or not the force was necessary. One
> thing I can tell you for a fact is that she
> wouldn't have been shot if she wasn't holding a
> knife and scissors and taking threatening actions.
> The whole situation could have been avoided by her
> prior to being killed.
Precisely. The video surveillance system inside Costco is awesome to say the least.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cool story bros.
>
> Why don't you just wait and see what the
> investigation reveals. The deputies have their
> accounts, lots of witnesses, and possibly video
> surveillance footage. It may have been completely
> necessary. There's not remotely enough information
> for the general public to make a determination was
> to whether or not the force was necessary. One
> thing I can tell you for a fact is that she
> wouldn't have been shot if she wasn't holding a
> knife and scissors and taking threatening actions.
> The whole situation could have been avoided by her
> prior to being killed.
Precisely. The video surveillance system inside Costco is awesome to say the least.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Olde Farte, II
()
Date: May 31, 2013 10:59AM
SmileYou'reOnCandidCamera Wrote:
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> Precisely. The video surveillance system inside
> Costco is awesome to say the least.
It one exists (other than at checkout and near jewelry) then they have done an EXCELLENT job hiding it.
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> Precisely. The video surveillance system inside
> Costco is awesome to say the least.
It one exists (other than at checkout and near jewelry) then they have done an EXCELLENT job hiding it.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
SORRY.
()
Date: May 31, 2013 11:01AM
Nice shot officer!
Re: Mhai De Leon Scott
Posted by:
ex-Lester
()
Date: May 31, 2013 12:48PM
There's much more information here.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2013/05/30/f23736a4-c96b-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html
She was distraught over a child custody battle with her ex-husband. Her ex-husband and her two kids are possibly back in the Philipines.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2013/05/30/f23736a4-c96b-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html
She was distraught over a child custody battle with her ex-husband. Her ex-husband and her two kids are possibly back in the Philipines.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
SmileYou'reOnCandidCamera
()
Date: May 31, 2013 01:19PM
Olde Farte, II Wrote:
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> SmileYou'reOnCandidCamera Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Precisely. The video surveillance system inside
> > Costco is awesome to say the least.
>
> It one exists (other than at checkout and near
> jewelry) then they have done an EXCELLENT job
> hiding it.
I know someone who works for Costco and trust me, just about every square inch of their stores are covered by cameras.
Hardly a day goes by at the Fairfax location without them catching someone trying to shoplift. As long as this incident is under
investigation we probably won't see any store footage released to the public.
-------------------------------------------------------
> SmileYou'reOnCandidCamera Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Precisely. The video surveillance system inside
> > Costco is awesome to say the least.
>
> It one exists (other than at checkout and near
> jewelry) then they have done an EXCELLENT job
> hiding it.
I know someone who works for Costco and trust me, just about every square inch of their stores are covered by cameras.
Hardly a day goes by at the Fairfax location without them catching someone trying to shoplift. As long as this incident is under
investigation we probably won't see any store footage released to the public.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
edNbv
()
Date: May 31, 2013 01:34PM
lolwtf Wrote:
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> One
> thing I can tell you for a fact is that she
> wouldn't have been shot if she wasn't holding a
> knife and scissors and taking threatening actions.
WRONG - you just said yourself we have to WAIT to see what happened..........so, you do not know shit! There is no FACT in your opinion and it shows how hypocritical you are.
> The whole situation could have been avoided by her
> prior to being killed.
Not by HER, but the police. There are 1000 ways this could have been dealt with that did not include deadly force. A fucking 8 year old kid can understand that.
And - I could go out on any public street and wave around a knife and would be doing nothing illegal.
They sacred the shit out of her while she was in an unstable mental place. Glad they rushed in and fucking ambushed her, then shot her............great job!
Witness even said they moved quickly and hid while approaching her, ducking down and shit.
I will wait for more details, but with what we have now.......it equals a homicide by the police officer.
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> One
> thing I can tell you for a fact is that she
> wouldn't have been shot if she wasn't holding a
> knife and scissors and taking threatening actions.
WRONG - you just said yourself we have to WAIT to see what happened..........so, you do not know shit! There is no FACT in your opinion and it shows how hypocritical you are.
> The whole situation could have been avoided by her
> prior to being killed.
Not by HER, but the police. There are 1000 ways this could have been dealt with that did not include deadly force. A fucking 8 year old kid can understand that.
And - I could go out on any public street and wave around a knife and would be doing nothing illegal.
They sacred the shit out of her while she was in an unstable mental place. Glad they rushed in and fucking ambushed her, then shot her............great job!
Witness even said they moved quickly and hid while approaching her, ducking down and shit.
I will wait for more details, but with what we have now.......it equals a homicide by the police officer.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Blah Blah Blah Blah
()
Date: May 31, 2013 07:59PM
Guy11 Wrote:
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> I still believe LCPD is way way better then FCPD.
They have police department in Loudon county?
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> I still believe LCPD is way way better then FCPD.
They have police department in Loudon county?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Blah Blah Blah Blah
()
Date: May 31, 2013 08:03PM
Joe somebody Wrote:
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> I love when people with no training or real world
> experiences come on here and make themselves look
> like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they are
> able to find their way to their menial and meaning
> less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was there I
> would have...."
Sure, these best and brightest came bursting in "looking for action", "crouching along the way" and shot her dead. What were they crouching from " phantom bullets? These hillbillies obese fucktards with self esteem problem need to go to jail.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I love when people with no training or real world
> experiences come on here and make themselves look
> like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they are
> able to find their way to their menial and meaning
> less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was there I
> would have...."
Sure, these best and brightest came bursting in "looking for action", "crouching along the way" and shot her dead. What were they crouching from " phantom bullets? These hillbillies obese fucktards with self esteem problem need to go to jail.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Tough One
()
Date: May 31, 2013 08:09PM
TENt9 Wrote:
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> I coulda took her eyes out with a BB gun. At least
> she'd be alive. Sad.
Next time feel free, as that's the one time a "gun" at a knife fight won't work out so good.
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> I coulda took her eyes out with a BB gun. At least
> she'd be alive. Sad.
Next time feel free, as that's the one time a "gun" at a knife fight won't work out so good.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
??????????????
()
Date: May 31, 2013 08:24PM
I feel sorry for the Mexicans who had to clean that clear and wipe the blood & guts off the watermelons. Sad, sad business.
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Filter
()
Date: May 31, 2013 08:27PM
SORRY. Wrote:
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> Nice shot officer!
+1000
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> Nice shot officer!
+1000
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
number please
()
Date: May 31, 2013 08:53PM
Blah Blah Blah Blah Wrote:
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> Joe somebody Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love when people with no training or real
> world
> > experiences come on here and make themselves
> look
> > like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they
> are
> > able to find their way to their menial and
> meaning
> > less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was there
> I
> > would have...."
>
> Sure, these best and brightest came bursting in
> "looking for action", "crouching along the way"
> and shot her dead. What were they crouching from "
> phantom bullets? These hillbillies obese fucktards
> with self esteem problem need to go to jail.
I thought they took the internet out of the Loudon jail, looking at the above intellectual post, apparently not.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Joe somebody Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love when people with no training or real
> world
> > experiences come on here and make themselves
> look
> > like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they
> are
> > able to find their way to their menial and
> meaning
> > less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was there
> I
> > would have...."
>
> Sure, these best and brightest came bursting in
> "looking for action", "crouching along the way"
> and shot her dead. What were they crouching from "
> phantom bullets? These hillbillies obese fucktards
> with self esteem problem need to go to jail.
I thought they took the internet out of the Loudon jail, looking at the above intellectual post, apparently not.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Greg
()
Date: May 31, 2013 11:34PM
So, an asian woman, who does not speak English very well. Takes care of her two daughters 8 and 12 by working at Costco because her husband left her for another women. She gets into a dispute with her manager about the sizs of the pizza slices she hands out. Manager calls the cops, two cops show up. She does not put down the pizza wheel cutter, not believing/understanding she will be shot otherwise. They were unable to tazer the small 4feet9 woman?? One cop shoots 5 times in a busy shop and thereby hits the other cop in the leg. They handcuff her after she is dead??? Or was she handcuffed before she was shot???
Something is strange, there must be video footage, cameras are everywhere in Costco.
Something is strange, there must be video footage, cameras are everywhere in Costco.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
4UduV
()
Date: May 31, 2013 11:45PM
really, a pizza cutter? Great job hillbilly cops. Most of those redneck cops do live in WV or out theres in de vallyee, not shocking. I wonder what percentage of them went to a four year college or got the job through "uncle mike."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
What a retard
()
Date: June 01, 2013 11:54AM
number please Wrote:
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> Blah Blah Blah Blah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Joe somebody Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I love when people with no training or real
> > world
> > > experiences come on here and make themselves
> > look
> > > like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they
> > are
> > > able to find their way to their menial and
> > meaning
> > > less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was
> there
> > I
> > > would have...."
> >
> > Sure, these best and brightest came bursting in
> > "looking for action", "crouching along the way"
> > and shot her dead. What were they crouching from
> "
> > phantom bullets? These hillbillies obese
> fucktards
> > with self esteem problem need to go to jail.
>
>
> I thought they took the internet out of the Loudon
> jail, looking at the above intellectual post,
> apparently not.
Apparently you have a reading skill of retards. Here is for you, stupid.
"The deputies headed toward what appeared to be an employee lounge and then dashed down the aisles, crouching as they moved, LaTeef said. "
-------------------------------------------------------
> Blah Blah Blah Blah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Joe somebody Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I love when people with no training or real
> > world
> > > experiences come on here and make themselves
> > look
> > > like uninformed experts . Shocks me that they
> > are
> > > able to find their way to their menial and
> > meaning
> > > less jobs. Their battle cry is "If I was
> there
> > I
> > > would have...."
> >
> > Sure, these best and brightest came bursting in
> > "looking for action", "crouching along the way"
> > and shot her dead. What were they crouching from
> "
> > phantom bullets? These hillbillies obese
> fucktards
> > with self esteem problem need to go to jail.
>
>
> I thought they took the internet out of the Loudon
> jail, looking at the above intellectual post,
> apparently not.
Apparently you have a reading skill of retards. Here is for you, stupid.
"The deputies headed toward what appeared to be an employee lounge and then dashed down the aisles, crouching as they moved, LaTeef said. "
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
ex-Lester
()
Date: June 01, 2013 01:14PM
De Leon Scott’s mother, Medina De Leon, told ABS-CBN officers used “excessive force” on her daughter, who suffered from depression because of a bitter divorce with her American GI husband and due to a custody battle of their two children.
She became upset after she ran out of pizza slices. She picked up a knife and got into it with Costco employees who panicked and called the cops.
She was confronted by just two deputies. One tried to taser her without success. The other shot all five bullets.
She became upset after she ran out of pizza slices. She picked up a knife and got into it with Costco employees who panicked and called the cops.
She was confronted by just two deputies. One tried to taser her without success. The other shot all five bullets.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
hFk4x
()
Date: June 01, 2013 04:43PM
ex-Lester Wrote:
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> She was confronted by just two deputies. One
> tried to taser her without success. The other
> shot all five bullets.
which equals fucking murder
5 shots!
prosecute the offending LEO
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> She was confronted by just two deputies. One
> tried to taser her without success. The other
> shot all five bullets.
which equals fucking murder
5 shots!
prosecute the offending LEO
Re: Mhai De Leon Scott
Posted by:
Rimfire Sports and Custom
()
Date: June 01, 2013 06:02PM
ex-Lester Wrote:
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> There's much more information here.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2013/05/30/f23
> 736a4-c96b-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html
>
> She was distraught over a child custody battle
> with her ex-husband. Her ex-husband and her two
> kids are possibly back in the Philipines.
The first commenter in the post story comments section is a gun dealer in Ashburn. Of course he takes LCSO's side.
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> There's much more information here.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2013/05/30/f23
> 736a4-c96b-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html
>
> She was distraught over a child custody battle
> with her ex-husband. Her ex-husband and her two
> kids are possibly back in the Philipines.
The first commenter in the post story comments section is a gun dealer in Ashburn. Of course he takes LCSO's side.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Fairfax county
()
Date: June 02, 2013 03:44PM
I pray the officer gets charged. It took five bullets to bring her down. I bet he feels like a hero. I hope he has nightmares the rest of his life. What he did was awful.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
More to it than that
()
Date: June 02, 2013 03:49PM
Greg Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, an asian woman, who does not speak English
> very well. Takes care of her two daughters 8 and
> 12 by working at Costco because her husband left
> her for another women. She gets into a dispute
> with her manager about the sizs of the pizza
> slices she hands out. Manager calls the cops, two
> cops show up. She does not put down the pizza
> wheel cutter, not believing/understanding she will
> be shot otherwise. They were unable to tazer the
> small 4feet9 woman?? One cop shoots 5 times in a
> busy shop and thereby hits the other cop in the
> leg. They handcuff her after she is dead??? Or was
> she handcuffed before she was shot???
>
>
>
> Something is strange, there must be video footage,
> cameras are everywhere in Costco.
Nah, not quite. The story is she was acting nasty and erratic, probably more of something between her and her boss. Anyway, she didn't comply with the deputies and was threatening to them. That's why she was shot.
PS: On the bright side, she got a promotion from crackpot Asian to Floor Pizza in about 5 seconds. Good Shooting!!!
-------------------------------------------------------
> So, an asian woman, who does not speak English
> very well. Takes care of her two daughters 8 and
> 12 by working at Costco because her husband left
> her for another women. She gets into a dispute
> with her manager about the sizs of the pizza
> slices she hands out. Manager calls the cops, two
> cops show up. She does not put down the pizza
> wheel cutter, not believing/understanding she will
> be shot otherwise. They were unable to tazer the
> small 4feet9 woman?? One cop shoots 5 times in a
> busy shop and thereby hits the other cop in the
> leg. They handcuff her after she is dead??? Or was
> she handcuffed before she was shot???
>
>
>
> Something is strange, there must be video footage,
> cameras are everywhere in Costco.
Nah, not quite. The story is she was acting nasty and erratic, probably more of something between her and her boss. Anyway, she didn't comply with the deputies and was threatening to them. That's why she was shot.
PS: On the bright side, she got a promotion from crackpot Asian to Floor Pizza in about 5 seconds. Good Shooting!!!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
txdhx
()
Date: June 02, 2013 03:54PM
Think the cops high fived each other after smoking a liitle old lady? I like the tactical part were they were going through the isles croutching down.
Back in the good old days the police would have told everyone to leave the store and battoned the woman rather than shooting her up. Problem is cops are militant and are highered in that matter. IQ and critical thinking is one thing most of them lack.
Back in the good old days the police would have told everyone to leave the store and battoned the woman rather than shooting her up. Problem is cops are militant and are highered in that matter. IQ and critical thinking is one thing most of them lack.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
?????????????
()
Date: June 02, 2013 06:21PM
txdhx Wrote:
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> Think the cops high fived each other after smoking
> a liitle old lady? I like the tactical part were
> they were going through the isles croutching down.
>
>
> Back in the good old days the police would have
> told everyone to leave the store and battoned the
> woman rather than shooting her up. Problem is cops
> are militant and are highered in that matter. IQ
> and critical thinking is one thing most of them
> lack.
In this day and age, the police can't take the chance. Too many foreign crazies in our country, no one's stupid enough to roll the dice. The bottom line, you threaten a police officer or sheriff's deputy - "Bam" your dead. It's as simple as that. When the police tell you to get down on the floor, you get down on the floor. It's not their job to play with lunatics.
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> Think the cops high fived each other after smoking
> a liitle old lady? I like the tactical part were
> they were going through the isles croutching down.
>
>
> Back in the good old days the police would have
> told everyone to leave the store and battoned the
> woman rather than shooting her up. Problem is cops
> are militant and are highered in that matter. IQ
> and critical thinking is one thing most of them
> lack.
In this day and age, the police can't take the chance. Too many foreign crazies in our country, no one's stupid enough to roll the dice. The bottom line, you threaten a police officer or sheriff's deputy - "Bam" your dead. It's as simple as that. When the police tell you to get down on the floor, you get down on the floor. It's not their job to play with lunatics.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
So sorry I voted for Obama
()
Date: June 02, 2013 07:15PM
Support your local police
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Police State
()
Date: June 02, 2013 09:46PM
Police State..that's where were going.. Democrats gun controls limiting citizens rights yet Cops have as many rounds auto weapons as they want add to that laws allowing deadly force like in this case..run thur red lights at high speed killing people in the way who never saw them coming. Google up Trooper Bowen killed at 100 MPH plus in King George County wrapping his cruiser around a traffic light about 2011 in the summer.
It will go on but so long then the people will demand changes in the laws.
Even the Dems.
" I like the tactical part were they were going through the isles croutching down."
Yeah.. We got that allright... Pure C.S.
It will go on but so long then the people will demand changes in the laws.
Even the Dems.
" I like the tactical part were they were going through the isles croutching down."
Yeah.. We got that allright... Pure C.S.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
T997E
()
Date: June 02, 2013 10:41PM
????????????? Wrote:
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> It's not
> their job to play with lunatics.
Yes it is - they are required to attempt all alternatives before deadly force.
You are just an idiot.
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> It's not
> their job to play with lunatics.
Yes it is - they are required to attempt all alternatives before deadly force.
You are just an idiot.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Police State
()
Date: June 02, 2013 11:33PM
I'm not down on cops. If she had stabbed and killed the deputy she would face Capitol Murder, and sadly I would go with that.. But this did not have to go down the way it did and lots of people are pissed off. I am down on some of the outrageous things that have happened and I'm not alone.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Strait outta compton
()
Date: June 02, 2013 11:42PM
Police State Wrote:
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> I'm not down on cops. If she had stabbed and
> killed the deputy she would face Capitol Murder,
> and sadly I would go with that.. But this did not
> have to go down the way it did and lots of people
> are pissed off. I am down on some of the
> outrageous things that have happened and I'm not
> alone.
This area is fucked up. Way too many assholes, non-english speaking fucks, and illegals. I'm moving out of this shit hole.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm not down on cops. If she had stabbed and
> killed the deputy she would face Capitol Murder,
> and sadly I would go with that.. But this did not
> have to go down the way it did and lots of people
> are pissed off. I am down on some of the
> outrageous things that have happened and I'm not
> alone.
This area is fucked up. Way too many assholes, non-english speaking fucks, and illegals. I'm moving out of this shit hole.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
?????????????
()
Date: June 03, 2013 06:08AM
T997E Wrote:
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> ????????????? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not
> > their job to play with lunatics.
>
>
> Yes it is - they are required to attempt all
> alternatives before deadly force.
>
> You are just an idiot.
She was threatening people with a knife and they shot her. The shooting was justified...IDIOT.
-------------------------------------------------------
> ????????????? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not
> > their job to play with lunatics.
>
>
> Yes it is - they are required to attempt all
> alternatives before deadly force.
>
> You are just an idiot.
She was threatening people with a knife and they shot her. The shooting was justified...IDIOT.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
vF3VT
()
Date: June 03, 2013 08:03AM
????????????? Wrote:
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> T997E Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ????????????? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It's not
> > > their job to play with lunatics.
> >
> >
> > Yes it is - they are required to attempt all
> > alternatives before deadly force.
> >
> > You are just an idiot.
>
> She was threatening people with a knife and they
> shot her. The shooting was justified...IDIOT.
You are wrong.
No one was in danger at all, unless like you they are cowards.
Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer will be prosecuted, just watch.
3 people without guns could have subdued her with no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you believe shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
Stop being such a pussy.
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> T997E Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ????????????? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It's not
> > > their job to play with lunatics.
> >
> >
> > Yes it is - they are required to attempt all
> > alternatives before deadly force.
> >
> > You are just an idiot.
>
> She was threatening people with a knife and they
> shot her. The shooting was justified...IDIOT.
You are wrong.
No one was in danger at all, unless like you they are cowards.
Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer will be prosecuted, just watch.
3 people without guns could have subdued her with no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you believe shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
Stop being such a pussy.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 03, 2013 08:08AM
vF3VT Wrote:
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>
> You are wrong.
>
> No one was in danger at all, unless like you they
> are cowards.
>
> Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer will
> be prosecuted, just watch.
>
> 3 people without guns could have subdued her with
> no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you believe
> shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
>
> Stop being such a pussy.
definition of a pussy: someone who can sit behind a computer keyboard and tell others that they should take down someone with a knife unarmed LoLz
pic unrelated
Attachments:
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>
> You are wrong.
>
> No one was in danger at all, unless like you they
> are cowards.
>
> Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer will
> be prosecuted, just watch.
>
> 3 people without guns could have subdued her with
> no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you believe
> shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
>
> Stop being such a pussy.
definition of a pussy: someone who can sit behind a computer keyboard and tell others that they should take down someone with a knife unarmed LoLz
pic unrelated
Attachments:
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
?????????????
()
Date: June 03, 2013 08:12AM
vF3VT Wrote:
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> ????????????? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > T997E Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ????????????? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > It's not
> > > > their job to play with lunatics.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes it is - they are required to attempt all
> > > alternatives before deadly force.
> > >
> > > You are just an idiot.
> >
> > She was threatening people with a knife and
> they
> > shot her. The shooting was justified...IDIOT.
>
>
> You are wrong.
>
> No one was in danger at all, unless like you they
> are cowards.
>
> Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer will
> be prosecuted, just watch.
>
> 3 people without guns could have subdued her with
> no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you believe
> shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
>
> Stop being such a pussy.
Ha! Looks whose calling me a PUSSY?
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> ????????????? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > T997E Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ????????????? Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > It's not
> > > > their job to play with lunatics.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes it is - they are required to attempt all
> > > alternatives before deadly force.
> > >
> > > You are just an idiot.
> >
> > She was threatening people with a knife and
> they
> > shot her. The shooting was justified...IDIOT.
>
>
> You are wrong.
>
> No one was in danger at all, unless like you they
> are cowards.
>
> Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer will
> be prosecuted, just watch.
>
> 3 people without guns could have subdued her with
> no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you believe
> shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
>
> Stop being such a pussy.
Ha! Looks whose calling me a PUSSY?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Compromised
()
Date: June 03, 2013 10:10AM
Is there any CCTV footage from inside the Costco that’s been released yet? I don’t think anybody is going to have a real sense of what was going on in there (really) until we can see it.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
TypicalFairfaxLiberal
()
Date: June 03, 2013 11:12AM
Compromised Wrote:
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> Is there any CCTV footage from inside the Costco
> that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> anybody is going to have a real sense of what was
> going on in there (really) until we can see it.
I don't care. I just want to bitch about cops.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Is there any CCTV footage from inside the Costco
> that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> anybody is going to have a real sense of what was
> going on in there (really) until we can see it.
I don't care. I just want to bitch about cops.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Neighborhood Watch
()
Date: June 04, 2013 07:23AM
Deputy shoots, kills woman at Va. Costco store
Thursday - 5/30/2013, 12:20am ET
STERLING, Va. (AP) -- A woman who authorities say went at two Loudoun County Sheriff's deputies with a knife and scissors was fatally shot by deputies at a Sterling-area Costco store.
The shooting occurred about 3 p.m. Wednesday. Two deputies had been called to respond to a disorderly conduct complaint.
Officials say the deputies ordered the woman to drop the weapons, but she advanced on them. Authorities say one deputy used a stun gun on the woman, but it was ineffective.
Police say the second deputy fired several shots, killing the woman. She was identified as 38-year-old Mhai Scott of Sterling.
Authorities say Scott worked for Club Demonstration Services, who provides services to Costco. The Washington Post reports Scott had been serving pizza.
One deputy was injured. He was treated and released at a local hospital.
Thursday - 5/30/2013, 12:20am ET
STERLING, Va. (AP) -- A woman who authorities say went at two Loudoun County Sheriff's deputies with a knife and scissors was fatally shot by deputies at a Sterling-area Costco store.
The shooting occurred about 3 p.m. Wednesday. Two deputies had been called to respond to a disorderly conduct complaint.
Officials say the deputies ordered the woman to drop the weapons, but she advanced on them. Authorities say one deputy used a stun gun on the woman, but it was ineffective.
Police say the second deputy fired several shots, killing the woman. She was identified as 38-year-old Mhai Scott of Sterling.
Authorities say Scott worked for Club Demonstration Services, who provides services to Costco. The Washington Post reports Scott had been serving pizza.
One deputy was injured. He was treated and released at a local hospital.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
somebody dial 991, crazy lady
()
Date: June 04, 2013 07:56AM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> vF3VT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You are wrong.
> >
> > No one was in danger at all, unless like you
> they
> > are cowards.
> >
> > Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer
> will
> > be prosecuted, just watch.
> >
> > 3 people without guns could have subdued her
> with
> > no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you
> believe
> > shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
> >
> > Stop being such a pussy.
>
>
> definition of a pussy: someone who can sit behind
> a computer keyboard and tell others that they
> should take down someone with a knife unarmed
> LoLz
>
> pic unrelated
love that one, perfect definition, it should include ,,,any other 3 people should have taken her down besides me.
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> vF3VT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You are wrong.
> >
> > No one was in danger at all, unless like you
> they
> > are cowards.
> >
> > Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer
> will
> > be prosecuted, just watch.
> >
> > 3 people without guns could have subdued her
> with
> > no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you
> believe
> > shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
> >
> > Stop being such a pussy.
>
>
> definition of a pussy: someone who can sit behind
> a computer keyboard and tell others that they
> should take down someone with a knife unarmed
> LoLz
>
> pic unrelated
love that one, perfect definition, it should include ,,,any other 3 people should have taken her down besides me.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Two Cents
()
Date: June 04, 2013 07:57AM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> vF3VT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You are wrong.
> >
> > No one was in danger at all, unless like you
> they
> > are cowards.
> >
> > Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer
> will
> > be prosecuted, just watch.
> >
> > 3 people without guns could have subdued her
> with
> > no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you
> believe
> > shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
> >
> > Stop being such a pussy.
>
>
> definition of a pussy: someone who can sit behind
> a computer keyboard and tell others that they
> should take down someone with a knife unarmed
> LoLz
>
> pic unrelated
+1000
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> vF3VT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You are wrong.
> >
> > No one was in danger at all, unless like you
> they
> > are cowards.
> >
> > Ever heard of "Excessive Force"? The officer
> will
> > be prosecuted, just watch.
> >
> > 3 people without guns could have subdued her
> with
> > no problem, but to ignorant fucks like you
> believe
> > shooting 5 bullets into her made sense.
> >
> > Stop being such a pussy.
>
>
> definition of a pussy: someone who can sit behind
> a computer keyboard and tell others that they
> should take down someone with a knife unarmed
> LoLz
>
> pic unrelated
+1000
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Neighborhood Watch Translated
()
Date: June 04, 2013 07:59AM
The shooting occurred about 3 p.m. Wednesday. Two deputies had been called to respond to a disorderly conduct complaint. The two trigger happy deputies stormed into the Cocsto in a bounding overwatch tactic.
The deputies yelled at the 4' 10" 95lbs woman to drop the PIZZA CUTTER. One deputy used a stun gun on the woman, but he missed fired or missed, we will never really know.
The second deputy fired 5 shots, killing the woman and shooting his partner in the leg.
Its very hard to put 5 shots on target, especially for guys who are not very good shots...Well I guess he didn’t put all 5 on target if he put one in his partners leg.
The deputies yelled at the 4' 10" 95lbs woman to drop the PIZZA CUTTER. One deputy used a stun gun on the woman, but he missed fired or missed, we will never really know.
The second deputy fired 5 shots, killing the woman and shooting his partner in the leg.
Its very hard to put 5 shots on target, especially for guys who are not very good shots...Well I guess he didn’t put all 5 on target if he put one in his partners leg.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 04, 2013 07:17PM
Compromised Wrote:
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> Is there any CCTV footage from inside the Costco
> that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> anybody is going to have a real sense of what was
> going on in there (really) until we can see it.
if it's highly incriminating toward the cops, I doubt we will ever see it or hear about it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Is there any CCTV footage from inside the Costco
> that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> anybody is going to have a real sense of what was
> going on in there (really) until we can see it.
if it's highly incriminating toward the cops, I doubt we will ever see it or hear about it.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
mKWdL
()
Date: June 04, 2013 07:26PM
Neighborhood Watch Translated Wrote:
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> The shooting occurred about 3 p.m. Wednesday. Two
> deputies had been called to respond to a
> disorderly conduct complaint. The two trigger
> happy deputies stormed into the Cocsto in a
> bounding overwatch tactic.
>
> The deputies yelled at the 4' 10" 95lbs woman to
> drop the PIZZA CUTTER. One deputy used a stun gun
> on the woman, but he missed fired or missed, we
> will never really know.
>
> The second deputy fired 5 shots, killing the woman
> and shooting his partner in the leg.
>
> Its very hard to put 5 shots on target, especially
> for guys who are not very good shots...Well I
> guess he didn’t put all 5 on target if he put
> one in his partners leg.
If any of you PUSSIES could not stop a tiny woman with a pizza-cutter, then just stfu!
if it truly was a pizza-cutter? then the officer should be jailed for life.
and why were there 30+ police vehicles on site? not an exaggeration, saw it on the live helicopter feed
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> The shooting occurred about 3 p.m. Wednesday. Two
> deputies had been called to respond to a
> disorderly conduct complaint. The two trigger
> happy deputies stormed into the Cocsto in a
> bounding overwatch tactic.
>
> The deputies yelled at the 4' 10" 95lbs woman to
> drop the PIZZA CUTTER. One deputy used a stun gun
> on the woman, but he missed fired or missed, we
> will never really know.
>
> The second deputy fired 5 shots, killing the woman
> and shooting his partner in the leg.
>
> Its very hard to put 5 shots on target, especially
> for guys who are not very good shots...Well I
> guess he didn’t put all 5 on target if he put
> one in his partners leg.
If any of you PUSSIES could not stop a tiny woman with a pizza-cutter, then just stfu!
if it truly was a pizza-cutter? then the officer should be jailed for life.
and why were there 30+ police vehicles on site? not an exaggeration, saw it on the live helicopter feed
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Funny stuff
()
Date: June 04, 2013 07:27PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> Compromised Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is there any CCTV footage from inside the
> Costco
> > that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> > anybody is going to have a real sense of what
> was
> > going on in there (really) until we can see it.
>
> if it's highly incriminating toward the cops, I
> doubt we will ever see it or hear about it.
Incriminating evidence is your specialty.
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> Compromised Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is there any CCTV footage from inside the
> Costco
> > that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> > anybody is going to have a real sense of what
> was
> > going on in there (really) until we can see it.
>
> if it's highly incriminating toward the cops, I
> doubt we will ever see it or hear about it.
Incriminating evidence is your specialty.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
uWbX3
()
Date: June 04, 2013 07:35PM
Funny stuff Wrote:
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Compromised Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Is there any CCTV footage from inside the
> > Costco
> > > that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> > > anybody is going to have a real sense of what
> > was
> > > going on in there (really) until we can see
> it.
> >
> > if it's highly incriminating toward the cops, I
> > doubt we will ever see it or hear about it.
>
> Incriminating evidence is your specialty.
if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it would be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
and can someone tell me why there were 30+ police vehicles there?
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Compromised Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Is there any CCTV footage from inside the
> > Costco
> > > that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> > > anybody is going to have a real sense of what
> > was
> > > going on in there (really) until we can see
> it.
> >
> > if it's highly incriminating toward the cops, I
> > doubt we will ever see it or hear about it.
>
> Incriminating evidence is your specialty.
if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it would be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
and can someone tell me why there were 30+ police vehicles there?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Are you this fucking stupid?
()
Date: June 04, 2013 09:04PM
uWbX3 Wrote:
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> Funny stuff Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stabitha Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Compromised Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
>
> if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it would
> be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
>
> and can someone tell me why there were 30+ police
> vehicles there?
The others came AFTER the shooting. You are a fucking imbecile.
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> Funny stuff Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stabitha Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Compromised Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
>
> if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it would
> be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
>
> and can someone tell me why there were 30+ police
> vehicles there?
The others came AFTER the shooting. You are a fucking imbecile.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Glass houses
()
Date: June 04, 2013 09:12PM
Are you this fucking stupid? Wrote:
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> uWbX3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Funny stuff Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Stabitha Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Compromised Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> >
> > if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it
> would
> > be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
> >
> > and can someone tell me why there were 30+
> police
> > vehicles there?
>
> The others came AFTER the shooting. You are a
> fucking imbecile.
You are responding to an imbecile.
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> uWbX3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Funny stuff Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Stabitha Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Compromised Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> >
> > if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it
> would
> > be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
> >
> > and can someone tell me why there were 30+
> police
> > vehicles there?
>
> The others came AFTER the shooting. You are a
> fucking imbecile.
You are responding to an imbecile.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
wc6cE
()
Date: June 04, 2013 09:16PM
Are you this fucking stupid? Wrote:
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> uWbX3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Funny stuff Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Stabitha Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Compromised Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> >
> > if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it
> would
> > be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
> >
> > and can someone tell me why there were 30+
> police
> > vehicles there?
>
> The others came AFTER the shooting. You are a
> fucking imbecile.
Yes - I know that. Still does not answer the question. AFTER 1 lady was killed by 2 police officers, I am sure the department was well aware of the situation.
So.............why were there 30+ police vehicles?
I counted 18 just in one still shot out front of Costco. So, this "imbecile" still would like to know why so many officers and vehicles?
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> uWbX3 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Funny stuff Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Stabitha Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Compromised Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> >
> > if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it
> would
> > be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
> >
> > and can someone tell me why there were 30+
> police
> > vehicles there?
>
> The others came AFTER the shooting. You are a
> fucking imbecile.
Yes - I know that. Still does not answer the question. AFTER 1 lady was killed by 2 police officers, I am sure the department was well aware of the situation.
So.............why were there 30+ police vehicles?
I counted 18 just in one still shot out front of Costco. So, this "imbecile" still would like to know why so many officers and vehicles?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
TJ7HL
()
Date: June 04, 2013 09:34PM
That is what I thought, no explanation for having even 20+ police vehicles there.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 04, 2013 09:43PM
They all wanted to check out the handy work of their co-workers.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Wnkje
()
Date: June 04, 2013 09:46PM
Hate it when an "imbecile" asks a simple question and shows the true dumbasses for who they really are.....
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 05, 2013 01:06AM
What.. do you think the cleaning crew at the store just takes out the body to the trash and washes off the blood?
The cops have to investigate the shooting, even if they did it. Just how do you think the cops who are investigating the shooting get to the store? Police cars. Now shut the fuck up about the number of cars. It has nothing to do with the facts of the shooting.
The cops have to investigate the shooting, even if they did it. Just how do you think the cops who are investigating the shooting get to the store? Police cars. Now shut the fuck up about the number of cars. It has nothing to do with the facts of the shooting.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
mr gfucking dumbshit
()
Date: June 05, 2013 12:38PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
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> What.. do you think the cleaning crew at the store
> just takes out the body to the trash and washes
> off the blood?
>
> The cops have to investigate the shooting, even if
> they did it. Just how do you think the cops who
> are investigating the shooting get to the store?
> Police cars. Now shut the fuck up about the number
> of cars. It has nothing to do with the facts of
> the shooting.
Go fuck yourself - since you can not come up with a reasonable answer to my question, all your pissy little cunt dripping means nothing.
So, it takes a minimum of 20 local police vehicles, 4 state police vehicles and the local police RV (with hood for shade) to "investigate"? Please just stop making yourself look like an idiot.
If I had to guess, I would say that 17 of the 20 local vehicles HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO.
I will say, the RV thing and maybe 3 police cars MAX would be more than sufficient.
Oh, and the 18 locals I counted were in front of the CostCo, who knows how many others weere pissing around nearby.
Again, just to really drive in the point that you are a moron - lets say there are just 1 officer per car = minimum of 18 officers + 4 state officers + how many ever (guess 3) in the RV thing.............I will even give 5 officers away to help clear the store - so, it take 20 officers to "investigate". LOL
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> What.. do you think the cleaning crew at the store
> just takes out the body to the trash and washes
> off the blood?
>
> The cops have to investigate the shooting, even if
> they did it. Just how do you think the cops who
> are investigating the shooting get to the store?
> Police cars. Now shut the fuck up about the number
> of cars. It has nothing to do with the facts of
> the shooting.
Go fuck yourself - since you can not come up with a reasonable answer to my question, all your pissy little cunt dripping means nothing.
So, it takes a minimum of 20 local police vehicles, 4 state police vehicles and the local police RV (with hood for shade) to "investigate"? Please just stop making yourself look like an idiot.
If I had to guess, I would say that 17 of the 20 local vehicles HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO.
I will say, the RV thing and maybe 3 police cars MAX would be more than sufficient.
Oh, and the 18 locals I counted were in front of the CostCo, who knows how many others weere pissing around nearby.
Again, just to really drive in the point that you are a moron - lets say there are just 1 officer per car = minimum of 18 officers + 4 state officers + how many ever (guess 3) in the RV thing.............I will even give 5 officers away to help clear the store - so, it take 20 officers to "investigate". LOL
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr.t
()
Date: June 05, 2013 01:27PM
They would all come to your place of employment and be sure to tell you how to do your job, but it's obvious you dont have one.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
LOCO
()
Date: June 05, 2013 03:27PM
Its Loudoun County..and the Lowes/ Cascades area no less...There is not a lot going on in those neighborhoods....just speeding soccer moms and that Dugan kid dealing weed...Loco's finest has their hands tied with that.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
employedverywell
()
Date: June 05, 2013 04:44PM
Mr.t Wrote:
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> They would all come to your place of employment
> and be sure to tell you how to do your job, but
> it's obvious you dont have one.
If you really think that many officers needed to be there, you are a fucking idiot. And someone does NEED to tell them how to do their job obviously.
I live in the area and yes there is little crime, but NO ONE can give any reason for that many officers.
You are lying to yourself if you do not agree that 20+ police vehicles was just ridiculous.
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> They would all come to your place of employment
> and be sure to tell you how to do your job, but
> it's obvious you dont have one.
If you really think that many officers needed to be there, you are a fucking idiot. And someone does NEED to tell them how to do their job obviously.
I live in the area and yes there is little crime, but NO ONE can give any reason for that many officers.
You are lying to yourself if you do not agree that 20+ police vehicles was just ridiculous.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
fuckoffff
()
Date: June 05, 2013 04:48PM
Here you go -
Real simple....
If the tiny lady had a pizza-cutter as her "weapon" then the officer should go to jail for homicide. Honestly, even a knife in reality - just a fucking trigger-happy ass who murdered someone who needed help.
20+ police vehicles is an insane amount with NO justification for that number - just makes the police look like idiots. They do need to be told how to do their job if this is acceptable and the norm.
But, when you get jacked by some asshole, while ALL the police are playing with their balls outside a minor incident (that ended up with homicide by the polcie) - be sure to think - They need 20+ officers to do an investigation or why why I tell them how to do their job.
dumbfuck!
Real simple....
If the tiny lady had a pizza-cutter as her "weapon" then the officer should go to jail for homicide. Honestly, even a knife in reality - just a fucking trigger-happy ass who murdered someone who needed help.
20+ police vehicles is an insane amount with NO justification for that number - just makes the police look like idiots. They do need to be told how to do their job if this is acceptable and the norm.
But, when you get jacked by some asshole, while ALL the police are playing with their balls outside a minor incident (that ended up with homicide by the polcie) - be sure to think - They need 20+ officers to do an investigation or why why I tell them how to do their job.
dumbfuck!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
head scratcher
()
Date: June 05, 2013 04:51PM
I'm curious why there isn't more news on this already - no one's reporting on it anymore? People keep mentioning security videos yet NO articles are saying such things exist and are in the hands of the authorities; what's with THAT?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
head scratcher
()
Date: June 05, 2013 05:25PM
Even if there is no video available (because Costco actually doesn't have full-coverage security cams maybe...) then at LEAST we should be able to see an image of the deadly weapon(s) the dead Bad Guy was threatening with, right?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Priapus
()
Date: June 05, 2013 05:27PM
I thought it all went down in the employee lounge? There had to be cameras there.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
give your deposition
()
Date: June 05, 2013 06:01PM
fuckoffff Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Here you go -
>
> Real simple....
>
> If the tiny lady had a pizza-cutter as her
> "weapon" then the officer should go to jail for
> homicide. Honestly, even a knife in reality - just
> a fucking trigger-happy ass who murdered someone
> who needed help.
>
> 20+ police vehicles is an insane amount with NO
> justification for that number - just makes the
> police look like idiots. They do need to be told
> how to do their job if this is acceptable and the
> norm.
>
> But, when you get jacked by some asshole, while
> ALL the police are playing with their balls
> outside a minor incident (that ended up with
> homicide by the polcie) - be sure to think - They
> need 20+ officers to do an investigation or why
> why I tell them how to do their job.
>
> dumbfuck!
Im glad we finally have an eyewitness account on here, this will shut down all the law enforcement experts with 3 plus seasons of "COPS" under their belts.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Here you go -
>
> Real simple....
>
> If the tiny lady had a pizza-cutter as her
> "weapon" then the officer should go to jail for
> homicide. Honestly, even a knife in reality - just
> a fucking trigger-happy ass who murdered someone
> who needed help.
>
> 20+ police vehicles is an insane amount with NO
> justification for that number - just makes the
> police look like idiots. They do need to be told
> how to do their job if this is acceptable and the
> norm.
>
> But, when you get jacked by some asshole, while
> ALL the police are playing with their balls
> outside a minor incident (that ended up with
> homicide by the polcie) - be sure to think - They
> need 20+ officers to do an investigation or why
> why I tell them how to do their job.
>
> dumbfuck!
Im glad we finally have an eyewitness account on here, this will shut down all the law enforcement experts with 3 plus seasons of "COPS" under their belts.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
The Rumormill
()
Date: June 05, 2013 07:27PM
give your deposition Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> fuckoffff Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here you go -
> >
> > Real simple....
> >
> > If the tiny lady had a pizza-cutter as her
> > "weapon" then the officer should go to jail for
> > homicide. Honestly, even a knife in reality -
> just
> > a fucking trigger-happy ass who murdered
> someone
> > who needed help.
> >
> > 20+ police vehicles is an insane amount with NO
> > justification for that number - just makes the
> > police look like idiots. They do need to be
> told
> > how to do their job if this is acceptable and
> the
> > norm.
> >
> > But, when you get jacked by some asshole, while
> > ALL the police are playing with their balls
> > outside a minor incident (that ended up with
> > homicide by the polcie) - be sure to think -
> They
> > need 20+ officers to do an investigation or why
> > why I tell them how to do their job.
> >
> > dumbfuck!
>
>
> Im glad we finally have an eyewitness account on
> here, this will shut down all the law enforcement
> experts with 3 plus seasons of "COPS" under their
> belts.
My wife has a friend that works there. Per her, the lady had both scissors and a knife (for cutting pizza, not the round-ended pizza cutters you use at home), and would not put them down after the deputies told her to. Apparently when they went to arrest her she moved towards them and attempted to stab one of the deputies and apparently managed to tag one of them.
The Patch article above has this line...
"Authorities say Scott worked for Club Demonstration Services, who provides services to Costco. The Washington Post reports Scott had been serving pizza.
One deputy was injured. He was treated and released at a local hospital."
-------------------------------------------------------
> fuckoffff Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here you go -
> >
> > Real simple....
> >
> > If the tiny lady had a pizza-cutter as her
> > "weapon" then the officer should go to jail for
> > homicide. Honestly, even a knife in reality -
> just
> > a fucking trigger-happy ass who murdered
> someone
> > who needed help.
> >
> > 20+ police vehicles is an insane amount with NO
> > justification for that number - just makes the
> > police look like idiots. They do need to be
> told
> > how to do their job if this is acceptable and
> the
> > norm.
> >
> > But, when you get jacked by some asshole, while
> > ALL the police are playing with their balls
> > outside a minor incident (that ended up with
> > homicide by the polcie) - be sure to think -
> They
> > need 20+ officers to do an investigation or why
> > why I tell them how to do their job.
> >
> > dumbfuck!
>
>
> Im glad we finally have an eyewitness account on
> here, this will shut down all the law enforcement
> experts with 3 plus seasons of "COPS" under their
> belts.
My wife has a friend that works there. Per her, the lady had both scissors and a knife (for cutting pizza, not the round-ended pizza cutters you use at home), and would not put them down after the deputies told her to. Apparently when they went to arrest her she moved towards them and attempted to stab one of the deputies and apparently managed to tag one of them.
The Patch article above has this line...
"Authorities say Scott worked for Club Demonstration Services, who provides services to Costco. The Washington Post reports Scott had been serving pizza.
One deputy was injured. He was treated and released at a local hospital."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
The Rumormill
()
Date: June 05, 2013 07:28PM
This is the pizza cutter knife she had...
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Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Arlingtonian
()
Date: June 05, 2013 08:41PM
Meanwhile over in Arlington if you have 2 knives they just arrest you....what pussies
http://www.arlnow.com/2013/06/05/crime-report-man-with-knives-threatens-coworker/?utm_source=ARLnow.com+Afternoon+Update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=e10eabc7af-ARLnow.com+Afternoon+Update&utm_term=0_d7fd851ea7-e10eabc7af-391091073
http://www.arlnow.com/2013/06/05/crime-report-man-with-knives-threatens-coworker/?utm_source=ARLnow.com+Afternoon+Update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=e10eabc7af-ARLnow.com+Afternoon+Update&utm_term=0_d7fd851ea7-e10eabc7af-391091073
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
VEnjH
()
Date: June 05, 2013 08:51PM
The Rumormill Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> My wife has a friend that works there. Per her,
> the lady had both scissors and a knife (for
> cutting pizza, not the round-ended pizza cutters
> you use at home), and would not put them down
> after the deputies told her to. Apparently when
> they went to arrest her she moved towards them and
> attempted to stab one of the deputies and
> apparently managed to tag one of them.
>
> The Patch article above has this line...
>
> "Authorities say Scott worked for Club
> Demonstration Services, who provides services to
> Costco. The Washington Post reports Scott had been
> serving pizza.
>
> One deputy was injured. He was treated and
> released at a local hospital."
bullshit
that would have been the fucking headline "woman STABS police officer"
and you suck ass a cop if a tiny woman gets the jump on you with scissors and a pizza-cutter
still no reason to have killed her verse help her
and fuck everyone who says "the cop said to drop the weapon (scissors and a pizza-cutter", so they shot her"
how many 1000s of times have you seen a person with a knife on TV...and 50 cops have surrounded the house, or area, and they WAIT HOURS AND HOURS trying to help the person , not killing them immediately
all of you who think it was ok to kill the woman are full of shit
if it was a relative of yours and the police were called because your brother walked out in the street with a knife AND the police came. pulled up, WALKED DIRECTLY AT HIM and said "drop it", your brother does not and they put 5 bullets into him - all in a span of 5 minutes.......you ALL would be suing the shit out of that police departrment
-------------------------------------------------------
> My wife has a friend that works there. Per her,
> the lady had both scissors and a knife (for
> cutting pizza, not the round-ended pizza cutters
> you use at home), and would not put them down
> after the deputies told her to. Apparently when
> they went to arrest her she moved towards them and
> attempted to stab one of the deputies and
> apparently managed to tag one of them.
>
> The Patch article above has this line...
>
> "Authorities say Scott worked for Club
> Demonstration Services, who provides services to
> Costco. The Washington Post reports Scott had been
> serving pizza.
>
> One deputy was injured. He was treated and
> released at a local hospital."
bullshit
that would have been the fucking headline "woman STABS police officer"
and you suck ass a cop if a tiny woman gets the jump on you with scissors and a pizza-cutter
still no reason to have killed her verse help her
and fuck everyone who says "the cop said to drop the weapon (scissors and a pizza-cutter", so they shot her"
how many 1000s of times have you seen a person with a knife on TV...and 50 cops have surrounded the house, or area, and they WAIT HOURS AND HOURS trying to help the person , not killing them immediately
all of you who think it was ok to kill the woman are full of shit
if it was a relative of yours and the police were called because your brother walked out in the street with a knife AND the police came. pulled up, WALKED DIRECTLY AT HIM and said "drop it", your brother does not and they put 5 bullets into him - all in a span of 5 minutes.......you ALL would be suing the shit out of that police departrment
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
whoa nelly!
()
Date: June 06, 2013 07:11AM
VEnjH Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Rumormill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > My wife has a friend that works there. Per her,
> > the lady had both scissors and a knife (for
> > cutting pizza, not the round-ended pizza
> cutters
> > you use at home), and would not put them down
> > after the deputies told her to. Apparently when
> > they went to arrest her she moved towards them
> and
> > attempted to stab one of the deputies and
> > apparently managed to tag one of them.
> >
> > The Patch article above has this line...
> >
> > "Authorities say Scott worked for Club
> > Demonstration Services, who provides services
> to
> > Costco. The Washington Post reports Scott had
> been
> > serving pizza.
> >
> > One deputy was injured. He was treated and
> > released at a local hospital."
>
>
> bullshit
>
> that would have been the fucking headline "woman
> STABS police officer"
>
> and you suck ass a cop if a tiny woman gets the
> jump on you with scissors and a pizza-cutter
>
> still no reason to have killed her verse help her
>
> and fuck everyone who says "the cop said to drop
> the weapon (scissors and a pizza-cutter", so they
> shot her"
>
> how many 1000s of times have you seen a person
> with a knife on TV...and 50 cops have surrounded
> the house, or area, and they WAIT HOURS AND HOURS
> trying to help the person , not killing them
> immediately
>
> all of you who think it was ok to kill the woman
> are full of shit
>
> if it was a relative of yours and the police were
> called because your brother walked out in the
> street with a knife AND the police came. pulled
> up, WALKED DIRECTLY AT HIM and said "drop it",
> your brother does not and they put 5 bullets into
> him - all in a span of 5 minutes.......you ALL
> would be suing the shit out of that police
> departrment
But that's not what happened here. She was in CostCo filled with lots of people. It would have been irresponsible for them not to have done something. They tried to restrain her and she tried/did slightly injure one of the officers. She didn't comply, she was armed, and showed she had the resolve to use those weapons...And she paid the price for making that decision. The cops were totally justified in their response. If she had hurt someone shopping there, then you would have been the first person on their high horse about the police not doing their job.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The Rumormill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > My wife has a friend that works there. Per her,
> > the lady had both scissors and a knife (for
> > cutting pizza, not the round-ended pizza
> cutters
> > you use at home), and would not put them down
> > after the deputies told her to. Apparently when
> > they went to arrest her she moved towards them
> and
> > attempted to stab one of the deputies and
> > apparently managed to tag one of them.
> >
> > The Patch article above has this line...
> >
> > "Authorities say Scott worked for Club
> > Demonstration Services, who provides services
> to
> > Costco. The Washington Post reports Scott had
> been
> > serving pizza.
> >
> > One deputy was injured. He was treated and
> > released at a local hospital."
>
>
> bullshit
>
> that would have been the fucking headline "woman
> STABS police officer"
>
> and you suck ass a cop if a tiny woman gets the
> jump on you with scissors and a pizza-cutter
>
> still no reason to have killed her verse help her
>
> and fuck everyone who says "the cop said to drop
> the weapon (scissors and a pizza-cutter", so they
> shot her"
>
> how many 1000s of times have you seen a person
> with a knife on TV...and 50 cops have surrounded
> the house, or area, and they WAIT HOURS AND HOURS
> trying to help the person , not killing them
> immediately
>
> all of you who think it was ok to kill the woman
> are full of shit
>
> if it was a relative of yours and the police were
> called because your brother walked out in the
> street with a knife AND the police came. pulled
> up, WALKED DIRECTLY AT HIM and said "drop it",
> your brother does not and they put 5 bullets into
> him - all in a span of 5 minutes.......you ALL
> would be suing the shit out of that police
> departrment
But that's not what happened here. She was in CostCo filled with lots of people. It would have been irresponsible for them not to have done something. They tried to restrain her and she tried/did slightly injure one of the officers. She didn't comply, she was armed, and showed she had the resolve to use those weapons...And she paid the price for making that decision. The cops were totally justified in their response. If she had hurt someone shopping there, then you would have been the first person on their high horse about the police not doing their job.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
adfasdgf
()
Date: June 06, 2013 07:20AM
uWbX3 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Funny stuff Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stabitha Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Compromised Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Is there any CCTV footage from inside the
> > > Costco
> > > > that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> > > > anybody is going to have a real sense of
> what
> > > was
> > > > going on in there (really) until we can see
> > it.
> > >
> > > if it's highly incriminating toward the cops,
> I
> > > doubt we will ever see it or hear about it.
> >
> > Incriminating evidence is your specialty.
>
>
> if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it would
> be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
>
> and can someone tell me why there were 30+ police
> vehicles there?
The news is showing that it was not the tiny pizza cutter you might use at home, but in fact a large pizza cutter like the picture above and a large pair of scissors.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Funny stuff Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stabitha Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Compromised Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Is there any CCTV footage from inside the
> > > Costco
> > > > that’s been released yet? I don’t think
> > > > anybody is going to have a real sense of
> what
> > > was
> > > > going on in there (really) until we can see
> > it.
> > >
> > > if it's highly incriminating toward the cops,
> I
> > > doubt we will ever see it or hear about it.
> >
> > Incriminating evidence is your specialty.
>
>
> if she was holding a pizza-cutter, yes - it would
> be highly "incriminating toward the cops"
>
> and can someone tell me why there were 30+ police
> vehicles there?
The news is showing that it was not the tiny pizza cutter you might use at home, but in fact a large pizza cutter like the picture above and a large pair of scissors.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Blah Blah Blah...
()
Date: June 06, 2013 09:09AM
whoa nelly! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> VEnjH Wrote:
> > > attempted to stab one of the deputies and
> > > apparently managed to tag one of them.
Fuck off. He was injured by a ricochet. Stop lying asshole.
> But that's not what happened here. She was in
> CostCo filled with lots of people. It would have
> been irresponsible for them not to have done
> something.
By discharging firearms in a crowded store. What a dumb fuck!
-------------------------------------------------------
> VEnjH Wrote:
> > > attempted to stab one of the deputies and
> > > apparently managed to tag one of them.
Fuck off. He was injured by a ricochet. Stop lying asshole.
> But that's not what happened here. She was in
> CostCo filled with lots of people. It would have
> been irresponsible for them not to have done
> something.
By discharging firearms in a crowded store. What a dumb fuck!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
?????????
()
Date: June 06, 2013 12:12PM
Blah Blah Blah... Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> whoa nelly! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > VEnjH Wrote:
>
> > > > attempted to stab one of the deputies and
> > > > apparently managed to tag one of them.
>
> Fuck off. He was injured by a ricochet. Stop lying
> asshole.
>
>
> > But that's not what happened here. She was in
> > CostCo filled with lots of people. It would
> have
> > been irresponsible for them not to have done
> > something.
>
> By discharging firearms in a crowded store. What a
> dumb fuck!
Seems like more than just a little overkill to take out a small asian lady.
-------------------------------------------------------
> whoa nelly! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > VEnjH Wrote:
>
> > > > attempted to stab one of the deputies and
> > > > apparently managed to tag one of them.
>
> Fuck off. He was injured by a ricochet. Stop lying
> asshole.
>
>
> > But that's not what happened here. She was in
> > CostCo filled with lots of people. It would
> have
> > been irresponsible for them not to have done
> > something.
>
> By discharging firearms in a crowded store. What a
> dumb fuck!
Seems like more than just a little overkill to take out a small asian lady.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Jander420
()
Date: June 06, 2013 04:40PM
Arlingtonian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Meanwhile over in Arlington if you have 2 knives
> they just arrest you....what pussies
>
> http://www.arlnow.com/2013/06/05/crime-report-man-
> with-knives-threatens-coworker/?utm_source=ARLnow.
> com+Afternoon+Update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign
> =e10eabc7af-ARLnow.com+Afternoon+Update&utm_term=0
> _d7fd851ea7-e10eabc7af-391091073
for all we know that man dropped his weapons and got down on the ground when the cops rolled up on him. Which is what you should do, if you don't want to run the risk of injury or death. If you try and attack a police officer, you have a good chance of getting killed, never heard of suicide by cop?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Meanwhile over in Arlington if you have 2 knives
> they just arrest you....what pussies
>
> http://www.arlnow.com/2013/06/05/crime-report-man-
> with-knives-threatens-coworker/?utm_source=ARLnow.
> com+Afternoon+Update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign
> =e10eabc7af-ARLnow.com+Afternoon+Update&utm_term=0
> _d7fd851ea7-e10eabc7af-391091073
for all we know that man dropped his weapons and got down on the ground when the cops rolled up on him. Which is what you should do, if you don't want to run the risk of injury or death. If you try and attack a police officer, you have a good chance of getting killed, never heard of suicide by cop?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 01:59AM
mr gfucking dumbshit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What.. do you think the cleaning crew at the
> store
> > just takes out the body to the trash and washes
> > off the blood?
> >
> > The cops have to investigate the shooting, even
> if
> > they did it. Just how do you think the cops who
> > are investigating the shooting get to the
> store?
> > Police cars. Now shut the fuck up about the
> number
> > of cars. It has nothing to do with the facts of
> > the shooting.
>
>
> Go fuck yourself - since you can not come up with
> a reasonable answer to my question, all your pissy
> little cunt dripping means nothing.
>
> So, it takes a minimum of 20 local police
> vehicles, 4 state police vehicles and the local
> police RV (with hood for shade) to "investigate"?
> Please just stop making yourself look like an
> idiot.
>
> If I had to guess, I would say that 17 of the 20
> local vehicles HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO.
>
> I will say, the RV thing and maybe 3 police cars
> MAX would be more than sufficient.
>
> Oh, and the 18 locals I counted were in front of
> the CostCo, who knows how many others weere
> pissing around nearby.
>
>
> Again, just to really drive in the point that you
> are a moron - lets say there are just 1 officer
> per car = minimum of 18 officers + 4 state
> officers + how many ever (guess 3) in the RV
> thing.............I will even give 5 officers away
> to help clear the store - so, it take 20 officers
> to "investigate". LOL
Somebody has some butt hurt.
Does the pressure from all the shit between your ears cause you to have headaches all the time?
Maybe your questions were so stupid to start with I was shocked that somebody would be so dumb to think it would only take 3 to 5 cops to investigate a homicide involving cops with one also being shot.
Are you really that dumb? Never mind. I already have my answer form what you posted. Now go back to "knowing" how cops "should do things" from watching TV.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What.. do you think the cleaning crew at the
> store
> > just takes out the body to the trash and washes
> > off the blood?
> >
> > The cops have to investigate the shooting, even
> if
> > they did it. Just how do you think the cops who
> > are investigating the shooting get to the
> store?
> > Police cars. Now shut the fuck up about the
> number
> > of cars. It has nothing to do with the facts of
> > the shooting.
>
>
> Go fuck yourself - since you can not come up with
> a reasonable answer to my question, all your pissy
> little cunt dripping means nothing.
>
> So, it takes a minimum of 20 local police
> vehicles, 4 state police vehicles and the local
> police RV (with hood for shade) to "investigate"?
> Please just stop making yourself look like an
> idiot.
>
> If I had to guess, I would say that 17 of the 20
> local vehicles HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO.
>
> I will say, the RV thing and maybe 3 police cars
> MAX would be more than sufficient.
>
> Oh, and the 18 locals I counted were in front of
> the CostCo, who knows how many others weere
> pissing around nearby.
>
>
> Again, just to really drive in the point that you
> are a moron - lets say there are just 1 officer
> per car = minimum of 18 officers + 4 state
> officers + how many ever (guess 3) in the RV
> thing.............I will even give 5 officers away
> to help clear the store - so, it take 20 officers
> to "investigate". LOL
Somebody has some butt hurt.
Does the pressure from all the shit between your ears cause you to have headaches all the time?
Maybe your questions were so stupid to start with I was shocked that somebody would be so dumb to think it would only take 3 to 5 cops to investigate a homicide involving cops with one also being shot.
Are you really that dumb? Never mind. I already have my answer form what you posted. Now go back to "knowing" how cops "should do things" from watching TV.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 02:25AM
But lets see if you can count...I will even number them to help you keep count
1-The sheriff...I'm sure he showed up
2-The under sheriff or whatever they call them here
3-homicide investigator
4-homicide investigator
5-IA investigator
6-IA investigator
7-CSI person
8-CSI person
9-supervisor for the investigators
10-IA supervisor
11-first cop there
12-2nd cop there
13-3rd cop there
14-the supervisor of the first 3 cops
15-the cop that came to help after the shooting
16-the cop that came to help after the shooting
17-the cop that came to help after the shooting
18-the cop that came to help after the shooting
19-crime scene security/traffic control
20-crime scene security/traffic control
21-crime scene security/traffic control
22-crime scene security/traffic control
I can keep going but it's getting old just to prove a point. But I am sure more investigators came also so add at least 5 or 6 cars for them. Not sure why state police were there but my guess is the sheriff asked them to help with either some crime scene stuff or assist with other stuff.
Why so many investigators? Because every witness has to be interviewed. I can only guess how many people that would have been. I am sure it took a few hours just for that alone.
1-The sheriff...I'm sure he showed up
2-The under sheriff or whatever they call them here
3-homicide investigator
4-homicide investigator
5-IA investigator
6-IA investigator
7-CSI person
8-CSI person
9-supervisor for the investigators
10-IA supervisor
11-first cop there
12-2nd cop there
13-3rd cop there
14-the supervisor of the first 3 cops
15-the cop that came to help after the shooting
16-the cop that came to help after the shooting
17-the cop that came to help after the shooting
18-the cop that came to help after the shooting
19-crime scene security/traffic control
20-crime scene security/traffic control
21-crime scene security/traffic control
22-crime scene security/traffic control
I can keep going but it's getting old just to prove a point. But I am sure more investigators came also so add at least 5 or 6 cars for them. Not sure why state police were there but my guess is the sheriff asked them to help with either some crime scene stuff or assist with other stuff.
Why so many investigators? Because every witness has to be interviewed. I can only guess how many people that would have been. I am sure it took a few hours just for that alone.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 02:39AM
Now I know you are going to give "your opinion" on what the cops need/don't need or some other come back or argument that in your mind sounds smart, but really you are not that smart as you showed from your first post.
Just remember its "your opinion". It means NOTHING to other people. Just like my opinion means nothing to anybody else.
Do your self a favor and learn about how cops do things and WHY they do things before saying more stupid shit.
And just to be clear...I am talking about the response after the shooting and what it takes to investigate something like this....not what happened in the store. I have no idea what happened in the store so I can not say what should or should not have happened.
Just remember its "your opinion". It means NOTHING to other people. Just like my opinion means nothing to anybody else.
Do your self a favor and learn about how cops do things and WHY they do things before saying more stupid shit.
And just to be clear...I am talking about the response after the shooting and what it takes to investigate something like this....not what happened in the store. I have no idea what happened in the store so I can not say what should or should not have happened.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
CBL
()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:22AM
The woman was a small Filipino housewife and obviously in some sort of distress (bad medication, diabetic, etc..). You're telling me 2 big strong cops couldn't find another way (other than 5 rounds at close range) to disarm her in a Costco full of shopping carts and boxes?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mike Stakes
()
Date: June 07, 2013 06:57AM
Not knowing all the details but this is overuse of the Loudoun Police (which has one of the worst reputation in the country). Maybe lack of training also: A 38 year old woman cannot be subdued by 3 police officers without killing her. But hey, she was just a low paid worker with a different ethnicity. What value are we putting on a human life. So sad. Every LC citizen should call the authorities for a serious investigation.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
BS?
()
Date: June 07, 2013 11:46AM
Mike Stakes Wrote:
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> Not knowing all the details but this is overuse of
> the Loudoun Police (which has one of the worst
> reputation in the country).
They do? I've lived in Nova for 20+ years and I've never heard that before.
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> Not knowing all the details but this is overuse of
> the Loudoun Police (which has one of the worst
> reputation in the country).
They do? I've lived in Nova for 20+ years and I've never heard that before.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 11:46AM
CBL Wrote:
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> The woman was a small Filipino housewife and
> obviously in some sort of distress (bad
> medication, diabetic, etc..). You're telling me 2
> big strong cops couldn't find another way (other
> than 5 rounds at close range) to disarm her in a
> Costco full of shopping carts and boxes?
There were 3 cops and who said they were big and strong? I have seen some cops that I highly doubt could fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Did 5 shots hit her? I have not read that yet. I have read 5 shots were fired which IF TRUE means not all 5 hit her. At least 1 hit one of the other cops. So I count maybe 4 that MAY have hit her. Bullets are not magical. Just because you get hit by a bullet does not mean you stop/or fall down. That's the movies and TV. Maybe the cop missed 4 times and hit her once.
Again not saying what happened in the store was right or wrong...because none of us knows what happened.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The woman was a small Filipino housewife and
> obviously in some sort of distress (bad
> medication, diabetic, etc..). You're telling me 2
> big strong cops couldn't find another way (other
> than 5 rounds at close range) to disarm her in a
> Costco full of shopping carts and boxes?
There were 3 cops and who said they were big and strong? I have seen some cops that I highly doubt could fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Did 5 shots hit her? I have not read that yet. I have read 5 shots were fired which IF TRUE means not all 5 hit her. At least 1 hit one of the other cops. So I count maybe 4 that MAY have hit her. Bullets are not magical. Just because you get hit by a bullet does not mean you stop/or fall down. That's the movies and TV. Maybe the cop missed 4 times and hit her once.
Again not saying what happened in the store was right or wrong...because none of us knows what happened.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 07, 2013 12:20PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
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> But lets see if you can count...I will even number
> them to help you keep count
>
> 1-The sheriff...I'm sure he showed up
> 2-The under sheriff or whatever they call them
> here
> 3-homicide investigator
> 4-homicide investigator
> 5-IA investigator
> 6-IA investigator
> 7-CSI person
> 8-CSI person
> 9-supervisor for the investigators
> 10-IA supervisor
> 11-first cop there
> 12-2nd cop there
> 13-3rd cop there
> 14-the supervisor of the first 3 cops
> 15-the cop that came to help after the shooting
> 16-the cop that came to help after the shooting
> 17-the cop that came to help after the shooting
> 18-the cop that came to help after the shooting
> 19-crime scene security/traffic control
> 20-crime scene security/traffic control
> 21-crime scene security/traffic control
> 22-crime scene security/traffic control
>
> I can keep going but it's getting old just to
> prove a point. But I am sure more investigators
> came also so add at least 5 or 6 cars for them.
> Not sure why state police were there but my guess
> is the sheriff asked them to help with either some
> crime scene stuff or assist with other stuff.
>
> Why so many investigators? Because every witness
> has to be interviewed. I can only guess how many
> people that would have been. I am sure it took a
> few hours just for that alone.
I think there were so many cops there to widen the "Thin Blue Line" of a police coverup. I think the Sheriff probably knew right away......"Ut oh this is a fuck up and it's gonna be messy". Safety in numbers.
-------------------------------------------------------
> But lets see if you can count...I will even number
> them to help you keep count
>
> 1-The sheriff...I'm sure he showed up
> 2-The under sheriff or whatever they call them
> here
> 3-homicide investigator
> 4-homicide investigator
> 5-IA investigator
> 6-IA investigator
> 7-CSI person
> 8-CSI person
> 9-supervisor for the investigators
> 10-IA supervisor
> 11-first cop there
> 12-2nd cop there
> 13-3rd cop there
> 14-the supervisor of the first 3 cops
> 15-the cop that came to help after the shooting
> 16-the cop that came to help after the shooting
> 17-the cop that came to help after the shooting
> 18-the cop that came to help after the shooting
> 19-crime scene security/traffic control
> 20-crime scene security/traffic control
> 21-crime scene security/traffic control
> 22-crime scene security/traffic control
>
> I can keep going but it's getting old just to
> prove a point. But I am sure more investigators
> came also so add at least 5 or 6 cars for them.
> Not sure why state police were there but my guess
> is the sheriff asked them to help with either some
> crime scene stuff or assist with other stuff.
>
> Why so many investigators? Because every witness
> has to be interviewed. I can only guess how many
> people that would have been. I am sure it took a
> few hours just for that alone.
I think there were so many cops there to widen the "Thin Blue Line" of a police coverup. I think the Sheriff probably knew right away......"Ut oh this is a fuck up and it's gonna be messy". Safety in numbers.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Rocco
()
Date: June 07, 2013 12:53PM
u idiots Wrote:
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> by the way, cops are not trained fighters. you
> would be surprised how many of them have never
> been in a fight in their lives. they are not
> trained to fight, they are trained to subdue and
> apprehend people. its not the same thing. now
> military soldiers, thats a totaly different story.
> they get training that you are thinking of.
Well uhmmm....this beg's the question of why AREN'T they trained to be able to fight?
Of course if we are talking about FFX most cops will never break a nail ..but go loook at ANY cop in any major American city. In times of peace, the average beat cop has one of the most dangerous jobs out there. It is of absolute importance they not only learn how to restraing a criminal but also be able to occasionally be the aggressor in an altercation. There are times when their weapon(s) might have been taken or dropped and they might need to use their limbs as weapons. You can never plan for these events and assume that the office will always have their , CS spray, tazer, baton or gun.
This also leads to my own POV that there should be some sort of height / weight standard for police. A female cop who is 5'2 and 125 lbs is simply not going to be strong enough to restrain even a small man who is wound up, possibly intoxicated, and angry..not to mention a large and powerful man who is passionate about not going back to jail.
I remember the good ole days, where a cop showed up and could break up a fight and you expected the cop to be able to handle himself in a physical situation. Now a days, there is a possible physical situation and instead of 2 , trained, at least some what fit and strong police officers, you have 4-5 half assed fat boy or females with 0 real hand 2 hand combat training or experience in aggressive situations.
-------------------------------------------------------
> by the way, cops are not trained fighters. you
> would be surprised how many of them have never
> been in a fight in their lives. they are not
> trained to fight, they are trained to subdue and
> apprehend people. its not the same thing. now
> military soldiers, thats a totaly different story.
> they get training that you are thinking of.
Well uhmmm....this beg's the question of why AREN'T they trained to be able to fight?
Of course if we are talking about FFX most cops will never break a nail ..but go loook at ANY cop in any major American city. In times of peace, the average beat cop has one of the most dangerous jobs out there. It is of absolute importance they not only learn how to restraing a criminal but also be able to occasionally be the aggressor in an altercation. There are times when their weapon(s) might have been taken or dropped and they might need to use their limbs as weapons. You can never plan for these events and assume that the office will always have their , CS spray, tazer, baton or gun.
This also leads to my own POV that there should be some sort of height / weight standard for police. A female cop who is 5'2 and 125 lbs is simply not going to be strong enough to restrain even a small man who is wound up, possibly intoxicated, and angry..not to mention a large and powerful man who is passionate about not going back to jail.
I remember the good ole days, where a cop showed up and could break up a fight and you expected the cop to be able to handle himself in a physical situation. Now a days, there is a possible physical situation and instead of 2 , trained, at least some what fit and strong police officers, you have 4-5 half assed fat boy or females with 0 real hand 2 hand combat training or experience in aggressive situations.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Hire the lame and lazy
()
Date: June 07, 2013 01:14PM
Thank ADA for that. Backup now may be non existant. After you subdue a bad guy you might have to do CPR on your chubby little partner.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:04PM
Rocco Wrote:
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> u idiots Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > by the way, cops are not trained fighters. you
> > would be surprised how many of them have never
> > been in a fight in their lives. they are not
> > trained to fight, they are trained to subdue
> and
> > apprehend people. its not the same thing. now
> > military soldiers, thats a totaly different
> story.
> > they get training that you are thinking of.
>
>
>
> Well uhmmm....this beg's the question of why
> AREN'T they trained to be able to fight?
Simply put...NO they are not trained to stand there and fight with people. That is not their job and never was. Cops are trained to use their OC, taser, stick etc instead of trying to fight you. They are trained how to defend themselves without the other items but as a LAST RESORT.
Back in the good old days you talk of, the cop would show up and beat the shit out of people. They did not fight you...THEY BEAT YOU. I could only imagine what people would do if we went back to the good old days of law enforcement in this country. If your punk ass kid talked back to a cop, the cop would smack him up the side of their head and then take them home to dad. Dad would thank the cop and then beat the kid more. If a cop did that now, the dad would want the cop arrested and would be at his lawyers office the next morning to file a suit.
I would bet 95% of the people on this site would not want to go back to the "good old days".
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2013 07:05PM by Mr GFR.
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> u idiots Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > by the way, cops are not trained fighters. you
> > would be surprised how many of them have never
> > been in a fight in their lives. they are not
> > trained to fight, they are trained to subdue
> and
> > apprehend people. its not the same thing. now
> > military soldiers, thats a totaly different
> story.
> > they get training that you are thinking of.
>
>
>
> Well uhmmm....this beg's the question of why
> AREN'T they trained to be able to fight?
Simply put...NO they are not trained to stand there and fight with people. That is not their job and never was. Cops are trained to use their OC, taser, stick etc instead of trying to fight you. They are trained how to defend themselves without the other items but as a LAST RESORT.
Back in the good old days you talk of, the cop would show up and beat the shit out of people. They did not fight you...THEY BEAT YOU. I could only imagine what people would do if we went back to the good old days of law enforcement in this country. If your punk ass kid talked back to a cop, the cop would smack him up the side of their head and then take them home to dad. Dad would thank the cop and then beat the kid more. If a cop did that now, the dad would want the cop arrested and would be at his lawyers office the next morning to file a suit.
I would bet 95% of the people on this site would not want to go back to the "good old days".
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2013 07:05PM by Mr GFR.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:07PM
Ever wonder why cops don't carry the old mag light type metal flash lights anymore but the small plastic type now? Its so they do not hit you with them like they use to.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:13PM
For one, I do not want the "old style of policing" to make a come back. I don't want to be dragged from my car to have the cop beat the shit out of me for telling him he is wrong because I was not speeding.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
TTCU9
()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:15PM
GFRs points are insane and have nothing to do with the topic.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:18PM
I had a guy working for me who was a VA State Trooper back in the 60's. He told me the funniest stories about how they dealt with people back then.
One time they picked up a beligerent drunk. The cuffed him up and threw him in the back of the Paddy Wagon. On the way to the jail they ran over every curb and thru every ditch they could find. They heard him getting tossed all around in the back. Got to the jail and he looked like he had the shit beat out of him, but they never laid a hand on him........Touche'
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2013 07:20PM by Stabitha.
One time they picked up a beligerent drunk. The cuffed him up and threw him in the back of the Paddy Wagon. On the way to the jail they ran over every curb and thru every ditch they could find. They heard him getting tossed all around in the back. Got to the jail and he looked like he had the shit beat out of him, but they never laid a hand on him........Touche'
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2013 07:20PM by Stabitha.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:46PM
TTCU9 Wrote:
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> GFRs points are insane and have nothing to do with
> the topic.
Yes totally insane and nothing to do with this topic what so ever.
-------------------------------------------------------
> GFRs points are insane and have nothing to do with
> the topic.
Yes totally insane and nothing to do with this topic what so ever.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 07, 2013 07:50PM
Stabitha Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I had a guy working for me who was a VA State
> Trooper back in the 60's. He told me the funniest
> stories about how they dealt with people back
> then.
>
> One time they picked up a beligerent drunk. The
> cuffed him up and threw him in the back of the
> Paddy Wagon. On the way to the jail they ran over
> every curb and thru every ditch they could find.
> They heard him getting tossed all around in the
> back. Got to the jail and he looked like he had
> the shit beat out of him, but they never laid a
> hand on him........Touche'
Ha. Yup. That was very common. So were "brake checks". Next time you see him, ask how many times he used his blackjack? And for what reasons he would used it. See what his reaction/body language is when you ask and how it changes. I bet he will tell you he never used one. You will see some change and then he will want to talk about something else.
Ever wonder why black jacks are no longer issued like they were "back in the good old days".
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2013 07:52PM by Mr GFR.
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> I had a guy working for me who was a VA State
> Trooper back in the 60's. He told me the funniest
> stories about how they dealt with people back
> then.
>
> One time they picked up a beligerent drunk. The
> cuffed him up and threw him in the back of the
> Paddy Wagon. On the way to the jail they ran over
> every curb and thru every ditch they could find.
> They heard him getting tossed all around in the
> back. Got to the jail and he looked like he had
> the shit beat out of him, but they never laid a
> hand on him........Touche'
Ha. Yup. That was very common. So were "brake checks". Next time you see him, ask how many times he used his blackjack? And for what reasons he would used it. See what his reaction/body language is when you ask and how it changes. I bet he will tell you he never used one. You will see some change and then he will want to talk about something else.
Ever wonder why black jacks are no longer issued like they were "back in the good old days".
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2013 07:52PM by Mr GFR.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 08, 2013 08:06PM
I've dealt with LCSO deputies and they are some of the most unprofessional people on the planet. This story has gone from "she lunged at deputies with a knife" to "she displayed a knife". I have found that LCSO deputies will lie and cover for each other ALL OF THE TIME! LCSO deputies are accountable to the sheriff, an elected official. The sheriff can ONLY be removed from office by the coroner or be voted out of office every 4 years. The deputies know they are accountable to an ELECTED official and know they can do ANYTHING they want and their "boss" can not be removed from office over their actions. If the deupty was justified in this shooting, we would see video from Costco all over the news, but we don't see that video, do we? What does that tell you? Loudoun County needs a POLICE DEPARTMENT with a POLICE CHIEF who is ACCOUNTABLE to ELCETED OFFICIALS AND HAS A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD to deal with complaints. Untill this happens, expect more of this in Loudoun County.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Horse hockey
()
Date: June 08, 2013 08:23PM
raskull Wrote:
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> I've dealt with LCSO deputies and they are some of
> the most unprofessional people on the planet. This
> story has gone from "she lunged at deputies with a
> knife" to "she displayed a knife". I have found
> that LCSO deputies will lie and cover for each
> other ALL OF THE TIME! LCSO deputies are
> accountable to the sheriff, an elected official.
> The sheriff can ONLY be removed from office by the
> coroner or be voted out of office every 4 years.
> The deputies know they are accountable to an
> ELECTED official and know they can do ANYTHING
> they want and their "boss" can not be removed from
> office over their actions. If the deupty was
> justified in this shooting, we would see video
> from Costco all over the news, but we don't see
> that video, do we? What does that tell you?
> Loudoun County needs a POLICE DEPARTMENT with a
> POLICE CHIEF who is ACCOUNTABLE to ELCETED
> OFFICIALS AND HAS A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD to deal
> with complaints. Untill this happens, expect more
> of this in Loudoun County.
The sheriff and the deputies can be removed by the mayor, govenor, etc. Get your facts right crackpot.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I've dealt with LCSO deputies and they are some of
> the most unprofessional people on the planet. This
> story has gone from "she lunged at deputies with a
> knife" to "she displayed a knife". I have found
> that LCSO deputies will lie and cover for each
> other ALL OF THE TIME! LCSO deputies are
> accountable to the sheriff, an elected official.
> The sheriff can ONLY be removed from office by the
> coroner or be voted out of office every 4 years.
> The deputies know they are accountable to an
> ELECTED official and know they can do ANYTHING
> they want and their "boss" can not be removed from
> office over their actions. If the deupty was
> justified in this shooting, we would see video
> from Costco all over the news, but we don't see
> that video, do we? What does that tell you?
> Loudoun County needs a POLICE DEPARTMENT with a
> POLICE CHIEF who is ACCOUNTABLE to ELCETED
> OFFICIALS AND HAS A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD to deal
> with complaints. Untill this happens, expect more
> of this in Loudoun County.
The sheriff and the deputies can be removed by the mayor, govenor, etc. Get your facts right crackpot.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
VSP
()
Date: June 08, 2013 08:40PM
Stabitha Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I had a guy working for me who was a VA State
> Trooper back in the 60's. He told me the funniest
> stories about how they dealt with people back
> then.
>
> One time they picked up a beligerent drunk. The
> cuffed him up and threw him in the back of the
> Paddy Wagon. On the way to the jail they ran over
> every curb and thru every ditch they could find.
> They heard him getting tossed all around in the
> back. Got to the jail and he looked like he had
> the shit beat out of him, but they never laid a
> hand on him........Touche'
Interesting story Bro ,since State Police have never had paddy wagons, your friend is full of crap
-------------------------------------------------------
> I had a guy working for me who was a VA State
> Trooper back in the 60's. He told me the funniest
> stories about how they dealt with people back
> then.
>
> One time they picked up a beligerent drunk. The
> cuffed him up and threw him in the back of the
> Paddy Wagon. On the way to the jail they ran over
> every curb and thru every ditch they could find.
> They heard him getting tossed all around in the
> back. Got to the jail and he looked like he had
> the shit beat out of him, but they never laid a
> hand on him........Touche'
Interesting story Bro ,since State Police have never had paddy wagons, your friend is full of crap
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 09, 2013 01:12PM
First of all, learn to read fuck face. He worked for me. He wasnt my friend.
I called it a Paddy Wagon. Could have been a van or some other type vehicle.
Are you the same guy who wants to meet my neighbor's daughter?
I called it a Paddy Wagon. Could have been a van or some other type vehicle.
Are you the same guy who wants to meet my neighbor's daughter?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 09, 2013 06:04PM
No,YOU ARE WRONG! The only way an ELECTED SHERIFF can be removed is by the coroner. That is why a sheriff has so much power. I suggest you go read the law. The only person the sheriff is accountable to is.... NO ONE! This is why in most metro areas the sheriff's deppartment is only responsible for the jail andd court house security. I can tell you don't live in Loudoun, if you did, you'd know how out of control the deputies are.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 09, 2013 06:16PM
Horse hockey Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've dealt with LCSO deputies and they are some
> of
> > the most unprofessional people on the planet.
> This
> > story has gone from "she lunged at deputies with
> a
> > knife" to "she displayed a knife". I have found
> > that LCSO deputies will lie and cover for each
> > other ALL OF THE TIME! LCSO deputies are
> > accountable to the sheriff, an elected
> official.
> > The sheriff can ONLY be removed from office by
> the
> > coroner or be voted out of office every 4
> years.
> > The deputies know they are accountable to an
> > ELECTED official and know they can do ANYTHING
> > they want and their "boss" can not be removed
> from
> > office over their actions. If the deupty was
> > justified in this shooting, we would see video
> > from Costco all over the news, but we don't see
> > that video, do we? What does that tell you?
> > Loudoun County needs a POLICE DEPARTMENT with a
> > POLICE CHIEF who is ACCOUNTABLE to ELCETED
> > OFFICIALS AND HAS A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD to
> deal
> > with complaints. Untill this happens, expect
> more
> > of this in Loudoun County.
>
> The sheriff and the deputies can be removed by the
> mayor, govenor, etc. Get your facts right
> crackpot.
Let me ask you something you seem to fail to address; why aren't we seeing security camera video from Costco all over the news if this deputy was justified? Most big box stores have at least 50 cameras. I use to run a small grocery store and I had 20 hi-res cameras covering every inch of the store. The system at Costco is top of the line, you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's heads or tails up. If he was justified, I know LCSO and they are all about "cover your ass."
Further more, Sterling has no "mayor" and all county & state officials can do is ask the sheriff to step down. Don't believe me? Try googling "sheriff Joe Arpiao", then come back here when you know what you are talking about.
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> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've dealt with LCSO deputies and they are some
> of
> > the most unprofessional people on the planet.
> This
> > story has gone from "she lunged at deputies with
> a
> > knife" to "she displayed a knife". I have found
> > that LCSO deputies will lie and cover for each
> > other ALL OF THE TIME! LCSO deputies are
> > accountable to the sheriff, an elected
> official.
> > The sheriff can ONLY be removed from office by
> the
> > coroner or be voted out of office every 4
> years.
> > The deputies know they are accountable to an
> > ELECTED official and know they can do ANYTHING
> > they want and their "boss" can not be removed
> from
> > office over their actions. If the deupty was
> > justified in this shooting, we would see video
> > from Costco all over the news, but we don't see
> > that video, do we? What does that tell you?
> > Loudoun County needs a POLICE DEPARTMENT with a
> > POLICE CHIEF who is ACCOUNTABLE to ELCETED
> > OFFICIALS AND HAS A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD to
> deal
> > with complaints. Untill this happens, expect
> more
> > of this in Loudoun County.
>
> The sheriff and the deputies can be removed by the
> mayor, govenor, etc. Get your facts right
> crackpot.
Let me ask you something you seem to fail to address; why aren't we seeing security camera video from Costco all over the news if this deputy was justified? Most big box stores have at least 50 cameras. I use to run a small grocery store and I had 20 hi-res cameras covering every inch of the store. The system at Costco is top of the line, you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's heads or tails up. If he was justified, I know LCSO and they are all about "cover your ass."
Further more, Sterling has no "mayor" and all county & state officials can do is ask the sheriff to step down. Don't believe me? Try googling "sheriff Joe Arpiao", then come back here when you know what you are talking about.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Joel Friday
()
Date: June 09, 2013 06:17PM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> First of all, learn to read fuck face. He worked
> for me. He wasnt my friend.
>
> I called it a Paddy Wagon. Could have been a van
> or some other type vehicle.
>
> Are you the same guy who wants to meet my
> neighbor's daughter?
Hey fuck face, find out what a paddy wagon really is then by learning to read. VSP only transports in their sedans. But I can see why anyone who works for you couldn't possibly be your friend.
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> First of all, learn to read fuck face. He worked
> for me. He wasnt my friend.
>
> I called it a Paddy Wagon. Could have been a van
> or some other type vehicle.
>
> Are you the same guy who wants to meet my
> neighbor's daughter?
Hey fuck face, find out what a paddy wagon really is then by learning to read. VSP only transports in their sedans. But I can see why anyone who works for you couldn't possibly be your friend.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
JnLVd
()
Date: June 09, 2013 07:00PM
raskull Wrote:
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> No,YOU ARE WRONG! The only way an ELECTED SHERIFF
> can be removed is by the coroner. That is why a
> sheriff has so much power. I suggest you go read
> the law. The only person the sheriff is
> accountable to is.... NO ONE! This is why in most
> metro areas the sheriff's deppartment is only
> responsible for the jail andd court house
> security. I can tell you don't live in Loudoun, if
> you did, you'd know how out of control the
> deputies are.
Just an observation. The Sheriff is up for election every four years. If enough citizens are dissatisfied, he can be replaced. What should be more disturbing is that all deputies are appointed by the sheriff. It would make a lot more sense if these were civil service jobs, subject to county and state rules and supervision. Of course, a true police department would be the best way to go in a county the size of Loudoun.
http://www.loudoun.gov/index.aspx?nid=89
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> No,YOU ARE WRONG! The only way an ELECTED SHERIFF
> can be removed is by the coroner. That is why a
> sheriff has so much power. I suggest you go read
> the law. The only person the sheriff is
> accountable to is.... NO ONE! This is why in most
> metro areas the sheriff's deppartment is only
> responsible for the jail andd court house
> security. I can tell you don't live in Loudoun, if
> you did, you'd know how out of control the
> deputies are.
Just an observation. The Sheriff is up for election every four years. If enough citizens are dissatisfied, he can be replaced. What should be more disturbing is that all deputies are appointed by the sheriff. It would make a lot more sense if these were civil service jobs, subject to county and state rules and supervision. Of course, a true police department would be the best way to go in a county the size of Loudoun.
http://www.loudoun.gov/index.aspx?nid=89
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 09, 2013 07:13PM
Joel Friday Wrote:
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> >
> Hey fuck face, find out what a paddy wagon really
> is then by learning to read. VSP only transports
> in their sedans. But I can see why anyone who
> works for you couldn't possibly be your friend.
It was the early 60's numb nuts. You were around then?
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> >
> Hey fuck face, find out what a paddy wagon really
> is then by learning to read. VSP only transports
> in their sedans. But I can see why anyone who
> works for you couldn't possibly be your friend.
It was the early 60's numb nuts. You were around then?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Olde Farte, II
()
Date: June 09, 2013 07:42PM
raskull Wrote:
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> ...The system at Costco is top of the line,
> you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's heads or
> tails up...
I was at Costco this afternoon and purposefully looked everywhere for security cameras - as noted before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the front of the store and above the jewelry (this latter one probably has the ability you describe).
I can assume I simply missed "all the others" but, if so, they're not inside light fixtures, outlet fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible on/inside framework.
I don't think they exist.
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> ...The system at Costco is top of the line,
> you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's heads or
> tails up...
I was at Costco this afternoon and purposefully looked everywhere for security cameras - as noted before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the front of the store and above the jewelry (this latter one probably has the ability you describe).
I can assume I simply missed "all the others" but, if so, they're not inside light fixtures, outlet fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible on/inside framework.
I don't think they exist.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
asdfasbj
()
Date: June 10, 2013 06:55AM
Olde Farte, II Wrote:
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> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...The system at Costco is top of the line,
> > you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's heads
> or
> > tails up...
>
> I was at Costco this afternoon and purposefully
> looked everywhere for security cameras - as noted
> before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the front
> of the store and above the jewelry (this latter
> one probably has the ability you describe).
>
> I can assume I simply missed "all the others" but,
> if so, they're not inside light fixtures, outlet
> fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible on/inside
> framework.
>
> I don't think they exist.
You might be right. I went in there over the weekend and didn't see many cameras at all. I poked around and tried to ask some questions but both the cashier and the ladies with the food samples said that they, "Weren't allowed to talk about it" per Costco management. Maybe because they don't want their name brand associated with this incident I would imagine.
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...The system at Costco is top of the line,
> > you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's heads
> or
> > tails up...
>
> I was at Costco this afternoon and purposefully
> looked everywhere for security cameras - as noted
> before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the front
> of the store and above the jewelry (this latter
> one probably has the ability you describe).
>
> I can assume I simply missed "all the others" but,
> if so, they're not inside light fixtures, outlet
> fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible on/inside
> framework.
>
> I don't think they exist.
You might be right. I went in there over the weekend and didn't see many cameras at all. I poked around and tried to ask some questions but both the cashier and the ladies with the food samples said that they, "Weren't allowed to talk about it" per Costco management. Maybe because they don't want their name brand associated with this incident I would imagine.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
adfsdfdsfdf
()
Date: June 10, 2013 10:27AM
What questions do you ask someone who is trying to stab you? When someone has scared away their coworkers and they call the police to report that person as armed and threatening, and the police arrive and that person comes at them with a knife, there aren't any questions to ask that will keep the knife out of the police officers bodies.
You can miss with pepper spray, and even if you hit with it, it takes time to work and the person hit with it can fight through it. Pepper spray is not suitable for a life threatening situation.
One shot one kill only happens under controlled circumstances, at range, with a high power rifle and a precision scope. It's not how a trained person approaches self defense.
You can miss with pepper spray, and even if you hit with it, it takes time to work and the person hit with it can fight through it. Pepper spray is not suitable for a life threatening situation.
One shot one kill only happens under controlled circumstances, at range, with a high power rifle and a precision scope. It's not how a trained person approaches self defense.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 10, 2013 06:32PM
asdfasbj Wrote:
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> Olde Farte, II Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ...The system at Costco is top of the line,
> > > you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's heads
> > or
> > > tails up...
> >
> > I was at Costco this afternoon and purposefully
> > looked everywhere for security cameras - as
> noted
> > before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the
> front
> > of the store and above the jewelry (this latter
> > one probably has the ability you describe).
> >
> > I can assume I simply missed "all the others"
> but,
> > if so, they're not inside light fixtures,
> outlet
> > fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible
> on/inside
> > framework.
> >
> > I don't think they exist.
>
> You might be right. I went in there over the
> weekend and didn't see many cameras at all. I
> poked around and tried to ask some questions but
> both the cashier and the ladies with the food
> samples said that they, "Weren't allowed to talk
> about it" per Costco management. Maybe because
> they don't want their name brand associated with
> this incident I would imagine.
You should try googling hidden cameras. They can be hidden in thermostats, clocks, smoke detectors (this is the most commonly used comercially hidden camera, but does not offer PTZ feature), light fixtures. I happen to know the head of LP at a Wal-Mart and she says there are over 60 cameras in her store (over half watch cash handelers). I know for fact the average Home Depot store has at least 2 camers per asile (x20-30 asiles), 2 per register (x10-15 registers), 1 on each entrance door (x3-6 doors) as well as 6-10 outside.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Olde Farte, II Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ...The system at Costco is top of the line,
> > > you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's heads
> > or
> > > tails up...
> >
> > I was at Costco this afternoon and purposefully
> > looked everywhere for security cameras - as
> noted
> > before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the
> front
> > of the store and above the jewelry (this latter
> > one probably has the ability you describe).
> >
> > I can assume I simply missed "all the others"
> but,
> > if so, they're not inside light fixtures,
> outlet
> > fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible
> on/inside
> > framework.
> >
> > I don't think they exist.
>
> You might be right. I went in there over the
> weekend and didn't see many cameras at all. I
> poked around and tried to ask some questions but
> both the cashier and the ladies with the food
> samples said that they, "Weren't allowed to talk
> about it" per Costco management. Maybe because
> they don't want their name brand associated with
> this incident I would imagine.
You should try googling hidden cameras. They can be hidden in thermostats, clocks, smoke detectors (this is the most commonly used comercially hidden camera, but does not offer PTZ feature), light fixtures. I happen to know the head of LP at a Wal-Mart and she says there are over 60 cameras in her store (over half watch cash handelers). I know for fact the average Home Depot store has at least 2 camers per asile (x20-30 asiles), 2 per register (x10-15 registers), 1 on each entrance door (x3-6 doors) as well as 6-10 outside.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
some observations
()
Date: June 10, 2013 06:40PM
Why is it when these things happen the cops take their sweet time disclosing the details--like they don't know them by now.
REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at work.
Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy standing there with a knife.....looks menacing...even threatening....what did they do?
Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off to some looney hospital where he belonged.
Class act--unlike the wild west losers in Costco.
REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at work.
Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy standing there with a knife.....looks menacing...even threatening....what did they do?
Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off to some looney hospital where he belonged.
Class act--unlike the wild west losers in Costco.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
JustanFYI
()
Date: June 10, 2013 07:44PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> asdfasbj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Olde Farte, II Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > ...The system at Costco is top of the line,
> > > > you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's
> heads
> > > or
> > > > tails up...
> > >
> > > I was at Costco this afternoon and
> purposefully
> > > looked everywhere for security cameras - as
> > noted
> > > before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the
> > front
> > > of the store and above the jewelry (this
> latter
> > > one probably has the ability you describe).
> > >
> > > I can assume I simply missed "all the others"
> > but,
> > > if so, they're not inside light fixtures,
> > outlet
> > > fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible
> > on/inside
> > > framework.
> > >
> > > I don't think they exist.
> >
> > You might be right. I went in there over the
> > weekend and didn't see many cameras at all. I
> > poked around and tried to ask some questions
> but
> > both the cashier and the ladies with the food
> > samples said that they, "Weren't allowed to
> talk
> > about it" per Costco management. Maybe because
> > they don't want their name brand associated
> with
> > this incident I would imagine.
>
> You should try googling hidden cameras. They can
> be hidden in thermostats, clocks, smoke detectors
> (this is the most commonly used comercially hidden
> camera, but does not offer PTZ feature), light
> fixtures. I happen to know the head of LP at a
> Wal-Mart and she says there are over 60 cameras in
> her store (over half watch cash handelers). I know
> for fact the average Home Depot store has at least
> 2 camers per asile (x20-30 asiles), 2 per register
> (x10-15 registers), 1 on each entrance door (x3-6
> doors) as well as 6-10 outside.
You know for a fact huh? Well, I know for a fact that 75% of the camera domes in those stores are fake and not even connected to anything. The next time you're in a Home Depot, look up at a security dome and try to find a baby blue wire connected (which is the color they use for their LAN). You will see it on the cameras at the entrance, but most other locations around the store are false and NOTHING is connected.
I know this for an absolute fact.
-------------------------------------------------------
> asdfasbj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Olde Farte, II Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > ...The system at Costco is top of the line,
> > > > you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's
> heads
> > > or
> > > > tails up...
> > >
> > > I was at Costco this afternoon and
> purposefully
> > > looked everywhere for security cameras - as
> > noted
> > > before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the
> > front
> > > of the store and above the jewelry (this
> latter
> > > one probably has the ability you describe).
> > >
> > > I can assume I simply missed "all the others"
> > but,
> > > if so, they're not inside light fixtures,
> > outlet
> > > fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible
> > on/inside
> > > framework.
> > >
> > > I don't think they exist.
> >
> > You might be right. I went in there over the
> > weekend and didn't see many cameras at all. I
> > poked around and tried to ask some questions
> but
> > both the cashier and the ladies with the food
> > samples said that they, "Weren't allowed to
> talk
> > about it" per Costco management. Maybe because
> > they don't want their name brand associated
> with
> > this incident I would imagine.
>
> You should try googling hidden cameras. They can
> be hidden in thermostats, clocks, smoke detectors
> (this is the most commonly used comercially hidden
> camera, but does not offer PTZ feature), light
> fixtures. I happen to know the head of LP at a
> Wal-Mart and she says there are over 60 cameras in
> her store (over half watch cash handelers). I know
> for fact the average Home Depot store has at least
> 2 camers per asile (x20-30 asiles), 2 per register
> (x10-15 registers), 1 on each entrance door (x3-6
> doors) as well as 6-10 outside.
You know for a fact huh? Well, I know for a fact that 75% of the camera domes in those stores are fake and not even connected to anything. The next time you're in a Home Depot, look up at a security dome and try to find a baby blue wire connected (which is the color they use for their LAN). You will see it on the cameras at the entrance, but most other locations around the store are false and NOTHING is connected.
I know this for an absolute fact.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
KPyNN
()
Date: June 10, 2013 09:51PM
some observations Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is it when these things happen the cops take
> their sweet time disclosing the details--like they
> don't know them by now.
>
> REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at work.
>
> Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> standing there with a knife.....looks
> menacing...even threatening....what did they do?
>
> Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off to
> some looney hospital where he belonged.
>
> Class act--unlike the wild west losers in Costco.
THANK YOU!
Perfect example of how to serve and protect.
This tiny woman needed HELP not DEATH.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is it when these things happen the cops take
> their sweet time disclosing the details--like they
> don't know them by now.
>
> REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at work.
>
> Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> standing there with a knife.....looks
> menacing...even threatening....what did they do?
>
> Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off to
> some looney hospital where he belonged.
>
> Class act--unlike the wild west losers in Costco.
THANK YOU!
Perfect example of how to serve and protect.
This tiny woman needed HELP not DEATH.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Rocco
()
Date: June 10, 2013 10:37PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Rocco Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > u idiots Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > by the way, cops are not trained fighters.
> you
> > > would be surprised how many of them have
> never
> > > been in a fight in their lives. they are not
> > > trained to fight, they are trained to subdue
> > and
> > > apprehend people. its not the same thing. now
> > > military soldiers, thats a totaly different
> > story.
> > > they get training that you are thinking of.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well uhmmm....this beg's the question of why
> > AREN'T they trained to be able to fight?
>
>
> Simply put...NO they are not trained to stand
> there and fight with people. That is not their job
> and never was. Cops are trained to use their OC,
> taser, stick etc instead of trying to fight you.
> They are trained how to defend themselves without
> the other items but as a LAST RESORT.
>
> Back in the good old days you talk of, the cop
> would show up and beat the shit out of people.
> They did not fight you...THEY BEAT YOU. I could
> only imagine what people would do if we went back
> to the good old days of law enforcement in this
> country. If your punk ass kid talked back to a
> cop, the cop would smack him up the side of their
> head and then take them home to dad. Dad would
> thank the cop and then beat the kid more. If a cop
> did that now, the dad would want the cop arrested
> and would be at his lawyers office the next
> morning to file a suit.
>
> I would bet 95% of the people on this site would
> not want to go back to the "good old days".
Ok great post asshole....you still didn't answer me WHY. Of coures its not their job to stand and fight. But there aren't many other jobs out there with the likelyhood of being in a physical confrontation like that of a cop. It should follow logically that they could at least have some basic offensive combatives training (just like a soldier) seeing as they are far more likely to be in a hand to hand situation than a soldier.
They are trained to use their tools, Sure check. As I already stated they sometimes are without those tools. Cops come in direct contact with danger on a very close and physical level on a daily basis.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Rocco Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > u idiots Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > by the way, cops are not trained fighters.
> you
> > > would be surprised how many of them have
> never
> > > been in a fight in their lives. they are not
> > > trained to fight, they are trained to subdue
> > and
> > > apprehend people. its not the same thing. now
> > > military soldiers, thats a totaly different
> > story.
> > > they get training that you are thinking of.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well uhmmm....this beg's the question of why
> > AREN'T they trained to be able to fight?
>
>
> Simply put...NO they are not trained to stand
> there and fight with people. That is not their job
> and never was. Cops are trained to use their OC,
> taser, stick etc instead of trying to fight you.
> They are trained how to defend themselves without
> the other items but as a LAST RESORT.
>
> Back in the good old days you talk of, the cop
> would show up and beat the shit out of people.
> They did not fight you...THEY BEAT YOU. I could
> only imagine what people would do if we went back
> to the good old days of law enforcement in this
> country. If your punk ass kid talked back to a
> cop, the cop would smack him up the side of their
> head and then take them home to dad. Dad would
> thank the cop and then beat the kid more. If a cop
> did that now, the dad would want the cop arrested
> and would be at his lawyers office the next
> morning to file a suit.
>
> I would bet 95% of the people on this site would
> not want to go back to the "good old days".
Ok great post asshole....you still didn't answer me WHY. Of coures its not their job to stand and fight. But there aren't many other jobs out there with the likelyhood of being in a physical confrontation like that of a cop. It should follow logically that they could at least have some basic offensive combatives training (just like a soldier) seeing as they are far more likely to be in a hand to hand situation than a soldier.
They are trained to use their tools, Sure check. As I already stated they sometimes are without those tools. Cops come in direct contact with danger on a very close and physical level on a daily basis.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
THREAD WINNER!
()
Date: June 10, 2013 10:48PM
some observations Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is it when these things happen the cops take
> their sweet time disclosing the details--like they
> don't know them by now.
>
> REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at work.
>
> Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> standing there with a knife.....looks
> menacing...even threatening....what did they do?
>
> Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off to
> some looney hospital where he belonged.
>
> Class act--unlike the wild west losers in Costco.
Great post.
This comparison cuts through the BS, and puts the whole thing into the proper perspective: Competent cops in NYC vs. Incompetent cops in Loudoun.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is it when these things happen the cops take
> their sweet time disclosing the details--like they
> don't know them by now.
>
> REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at work.
>
> Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> standing there with a knife.....looks
> menacing...even threatening....what did they do?
>
> Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off to
> some looney hospital where he belonged.
>
> Class act--unlike the wild west losers in Costco.
Great post.
This comparison cuts through the BS, and puts the whole thing into the proper perspective: Competent cops in NYC vs. Incompetent cops in Loudoun.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
4EVte
()
Date: June 10, 2013 11:02PM
THREAD WINNER! Wrote:
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> some observations Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is it when these things happen the cops
> take
> > their sweet time disclosing the details--like
> they
> > don't know them by now.
> >
> > REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> > down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at
> work.
> >
> > Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> > cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> > standing there with a knife.....looks
> > menacing...even threatening....what did they
> do?
> >
> > Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off
> to
> > some looney hospital where he belonged.
> >
> > Class act--unlike the wild west losers in
> Costco.
>
>
> Great post.
>
> This comparison cuts through the BS, and puts the
> whole thing into the proper perspective: Competent
> cops in NYC vs. Incompetent cops in Loudoun.
Agreed!
The lady needed HELP not DEATH.
-------------------------------------------------------
> some observations Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is it when these things happen the cops
> take
> > their sweet time disclosing the details--like
> they
> > don't know them by now.
> >
> > REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> > down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at
> work.
> >
> > Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> > cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> > standing there with a knife.....looks
> > menacing...even threatening....what did they
> do?
> >
> > Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off
> to
> > some looney hospital where he belonged.
> >
> > Class act--unlike the wild west losers in
> Costco.
>
>
> Great post.
>
> This comparison cuts through the BS, and puts the
> whole thing into the proper perspective: Competent
> cops in NYC vs. Incompetent cops in Loudoun.
Agreed!
The lady needed HELP not DEATH.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Lowdown County
()
Date: June 11, 2013 12:53AM
So when does this "hero" return from his extended paid vacation and get his medal?
I suppose that we will have to wait until LCSO announces that their investigation is complete and they have determined that he acted appropriately, at which point they will be award him with a commendation for saving us all...from an 80 lb woman who was experiencing a medical emergency...and for shooting another deputy.
You give guys who barely graduated from high school a gun, badge, and arrest authority and are shocked that they abuse their authority? Knock me over with a feather.
I suppose that we will have to wait until LCSO announces that their investigation is complete and they have determined that he acted appropriately, at which point they will be award him with a commendation for saving us all...from an 80 lb woman who was experiencing a medical emergency...and for shooting another deputy.
You give guys who barely graduated from high school a gun, badge, and arrest authority and are shocked that they abuse their authority? Knock me over with a feather.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Lowdown County
()
Date: June 11, 2013 12:55AM
So when does this "hero" return from his extended paid vacation and get his medal?
I suppose that we will have to wait until LCSO announces that their investigation is complete and they have determined that he acted appropriately, at which point they will award him with a commendation for saving us all...from an 80 lb woman who was experiencing a medical emergency...and for shooting another deputy.
You give guys who barely graduated from high school a gun, badge, and arrest authority and are shocked that they abuse their authority? Knock me over with a feather.
I suppose that we will have to wait until LCSO announces that their investigation is complete and they have determined that he acted appropriately, at which point they will award him with a commendation for saving us all...from an 80 lb woman who was experiencing a medical emergency...and for shooting another deputy.
You give guys who barely graduated from high school a gun, badge, and arrest authority and are shocked that they abuse their authority? Knock me over with a feather.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 11, 2013 01:31AM
some observations Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is it when these things happen the cops take
> their sweet time disclosing the details--like they
> don't know them by now.
>
> REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at work.
>
> Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> standing there with a knife.....looks
> menacing...even threatening....what did they do?
>
> Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off to
> some looney hospital where he belonged.
>
> Class act--unlike the wild west losers in Costco.
I am sure Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell would agree with you all the way.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is it when these things happen the cops take
> their sweet time disclosing the details--like they
> don't know them by now.
>
> REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at work.
>
> Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> standing there with a knife.....looks
> menacing...even threatening....what did they do?
>
> Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off to
> some looney hospital where he belonged.
>
> Class act--unlike the wild west losers in Costco.
I am sure Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell would agree with you all the way.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 11, 2013 01:43AM
Rocco Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Rocco Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > u idiots Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > by the way, cops are not trained fighters.
> > you
> > > > would be surprised how many of them have
> > never
> > > > been in a fight in their lives. they are
> not
> > > > trained to fight, they are trained to
> subdue
> > > and
> > > > apprehend people. its not the same thing.
> now
> > > > military soldiers, thats a totaly different
> > > story.
> > > > they get training that you are thinking of.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well uhmmm....this beg's the question of why
> > > AREN'T they trained to be able to fight?
> >
> >
> > Simply put...NO they are not trained to stand
> > there and fight with people. That is not their
> job
> > and never was. Cops are trained to use their
> OC,
> > taser, stick etc instead of trying to fight
> you.
> > They are trained how to defend themselves
> without
> > the other items but as a LAST RESORT.
> >
> > Back in the good old days you talk of, the cop
> > would show up and beat the shit out of people.
> > They did not fight you...THEY BEAT YOU. I could
> > only imagine what people would do if we went
> back
> > to the good old days of law enforcement in this
> > country. If your punk ass kid talked back to a
> > cop, the cop would smack him up the side of
> their
> > head and then take them home to dad. Dad would
> > thank the cop and then beat the kid more. If a
> cop
> > did that now, the dad would want the cop
> arrested
> > and would be at his lawyers office the next
> > morning to file a suit.
> >
> > I would bet 95% of the people on this site
> would
> > not want to go back to the "good old days".
>
>
> Ok great post asshole....you still didn't answer
> me WHY. Of coures its not their job to stand and
> fight. But there aren't many other jobs out there
> with the likelyhood of being in a physical
> confrontation like that of a cop. It should
> follow logically that they could at least have
> some basic offensive combatives training (just
> like a soldier) seeing as they are far more likely
> to be in a hand to hand situation than a soldier.
>
> They are trained to use their tools, Sure check.
> As I already stated they sometimes are without
> those tools. Cops come in direct contact with
> danger on a very close and physical level on a
> daily basis.
Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare handed against somebody holding a knife when they have other options. Not even the military trains soldiers to take on somebody with a knife unless they have no other option. Empty hand fighting is a option of LAST RESORT.
Even if they are trained to fight, they sure the hell would not have stood there trying to fight with somebody with a knife.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Rocco Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > u idiots Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > by the way, cops are not trained fighters.
> > you
> > > > would be surprised how many of them have
> > never
> > > > been in a fight in their lives. they are
> not
> > > > trained to fight, they are trained to
> subdue
> > > and
> > > > apprehend people. its not the same thing.
> now
> > > > military soldiers, thats a totaly different
> > > story.
> > > > they get training that you are thinking of.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well uhmmm....this beg's the question of why
> > > AREN'T they trained to be able to fight?
> >
> >
> > Simply put...NO they are not trained to stand
> > there and fight with people. That is not their
> job
> > and never was. Cops are trained to use their
> OC,
> > taser, stick etc instead of trying to fight
> you.
> > They are trained how to defend themselves
> without
> > the other items but as a LAST RESORT.
> >
> > Back in the good old days you talk of, the cop
> > would show up and beat the shit out of people.
> > They did not fight you...THEY BEAT YOU. I could
> > only imagine what people would do if we went
> back
> > to the good old days of law enforcement in this
> > country. If your punk ass kid talked back to a
> > cop, the cop would smack him up the side of
> their
> > head and then take them home to dad. Dad would
> > thank the cop and then beat the kid more. If a
> cop
> > did that now, the dad would want the cop
> arrested
> > and would be at his lawyers office the next
> > morning to file a suit.
> >
> > I would bet 95% of the people on this site
> would
> > not want to go back to the "good old days".
>
>
> Ok great post asshole....you still didn't answer
> me WHY. Of coures its not their job to stand and
> fight. But there aren't many other jobs out there
> with the likelyhood of being in a physical
> confrontation like that of a cop. It should
> follow logically that they could at least have
> some basic offensive combatives training (just
> like a soldier) seeing as they are far more likely
> to be in a hand to hand situation than a soldier.
>
> They are trained to use their tools, Sure check.
> As I already stated they sometimes are without
> those tools. Cops come in direct contact with
> danger on a very close and physical level on a
> daily basis.
Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare handed against somebody holding a knife when they have other options. Not even the military trains soldiers to take on somebody with a knife unless they have no other option. Empty hand fighting is a option of LAST RESORT.
Even if they are trained to fight, they sure the hell would not have stood there trying to fight with somebody with a knife.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Fools Gold
()
Date: June 11, 2013 02:31AM
Again...nobody was empty handed you moron.
After the tazer the police have all their other "less than lethal" BS...CS gas, mace , pepper spray whatever they call it now, the tazer (there were how many officers there? How many tazers?) oh and alas..the mighty Baton. You give me a baton and I'll fight a 5 foot nothing Filipina with a fucking pizza cutter. They could have picked up anything and hit her with it.
Look, I personally am for lethal force. But its like the "oh shit she's headed right for us..glick glick..shoot her ass billy"
Also because this is an Asian (could be white, Asian anything other than black) its not a big deal to some, but Zimmerman was getting his head pounded in , in a hand to hand situation, but a larger and stronger man ..shoots said man boy/ overgrown teen and now its a national debate. Man shoots possibly mentally Ill FIlipina, when he had other back up and its not a big deal because he has a badge?
After the tazer the police have all their other "less than lethal" BS...CS gas, mace , pepper spray whatever they call it now, the tazer (there were how many officers there? How many tazers?) oh and alas..the mighty Baton. You give me a baton and I'll fight a 5 foot nothing Filipina with a fucking pizza cutter. They could have picked up anything and hit her with it.
Look, I personally am for lethal force. But its like the "oh shit she's headed right for us..glick glick..shoot her ass billy"
Also because this is an Asian (could be white, Asian anything other than black) its not a big deal to some, but Zimmerman was getting his head pounded in , in a hand to hand situation, but a larger and stronger man ..shoots said man boy/ overgrown teen and now its a national debate. Man shoots possibly mentally Ill FIlipina, when he had other back up and its not a big deal because he has a badge?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 11, 2013 02:12PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> some observations Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is it when these things happen the cops
> take
> > their sweet time disclosing the details--like
> they
> > don't know them by now.
> >
> > REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> > down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at
> work.
> >
> > Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> > cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> > standing there with a knife.....looks
> > menacing...even threatening....what did they
> do?
> >
> > Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off
> to
> > some looney hospital where he belonged.
> >
> > Class act--unlike the wild west losers in
> Costco.
>
>
> I am sure Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell would agree
> with you all the way.
Amen brother!
If you haven't heard the latest, the "official" story has changed from "she lunged at the deputies with a knife" to "she displayed a knife". The other thing no one seems to want to consider is there could have been a language issue. You could train a monkey to hand out samples at the local Costco, it's not like this is skilled labor. She'd only need to know a few phrases and a few words to do her job. You need to understand, LCSO deputies are bored, they've all seen too many Dirty Harry movies and they're doing their best to act like him.
They probably thought because of her looks (brown skin, dark hair, brown eyes) she could have been a member of MS-13! I wouldn't be suprised if the radio call that went out after the shooting is "gang member down"!
-------------------------------------------------------
> some observations Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is it when these things happen the cops
> take
> > their sweet time disclosing the details--like
> they
> > don't know them by now.
> >
> > REASON: they want the public outrage to simmer
> > down so they sit on it---our tax dollars at
> work.
> >
> > Now let's compare these Loudoun clowns with the
> > cops in NY at The tODAY SHOW last week. Guy
> > standing there with a knife.....looks
> > menacing...even threatening....what did they
> do?
> >
> > Wrestle the guy to the ground and haul him off
> to
> > some looney hospital where he belonged.
> >
> > Class act--unlike the wild west losers in
> Costco.
>
>
> I am sure Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell would agree
> with you all the way.
Amen brother!
If you haven't heard the latest, the "official" story has changed from "she lunged at the deputies with a knife" to "she displayed a knife". The other thing no one seems to want to consider is there could have been a language issue. You could train a monkey to hand out samples at the local Costco, it's not like this is skilled labor. She'd only need to know a few phrases and a few words to do her job. You need to understand, LCSO deputies are bored, they've all seen too many Dirty Harry movies and they're doing their best to act like him.
They probably thought because of her looks (brown skin, dark hair, brown eyes) she could have been a member of MS-13! I wouldn't be suprised if the radio call that went out after the shooting is "gang member down"!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 11, 2013 02:39PM
JustanFYI Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > asdfasbj Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Olde Farte, II Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > raskull Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > ...The system at Costco is top of the
> line,
> > > > > you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's
> > heads
> > > > or
> > > > > tails up...
> > > >
> > > > I was at Costco this afternoon and
> > purposefully
> > > > looked everywhere for security cameras - as
> > > noted
> > > > before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the
> > > front
> > > > of the store and above the jewelry (this
> > latter
> > > > one probably has the ability you describe).
> > > >
> > > > I can assume I simply missed "all the
> others"
> > > but,
> > > > if so, they're not inside light fixtures,
> > > outlet
> > > > fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible
> > > on/inside
> > > > framework.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think they exist.
> > >
> > > You might be right. I went in there over the
> > > weekend and didn't see many cameras at all. I
> > > poked around and tried to ask some questions
> > but
> > > both the cashier and the ladies with the food
> > > samples said that they, "Weren't allowed to
> > talk
> > > about it" per Costco management. Maybe
> because
> > > they don't want their name brand associated
> > with
> > > this incident I would imagine.
> >
> > You should try googling hidden cameras. They
> can
> > be hidden in thermostats, clocks, smoke
> detectors
> > (this is the most commonly used comercially
> hidden
> > camera, but does not offer PTZ feature), light
> > fixtures. I happen to know the head of LP at a
> > Wal-Mart and she says there are over 60 cameras
> in
> > her store (over half watch cash handelers). I
> know
> > for fact the average Home Depot store has at
> least
> > 2 camers per asile (x20-30 asiles), 2 per
> register
> > (x10-15 registers), 1 on each entrance door
> (x3-6
> > doors) as well as 6-10 outside.
>
>
> You know for a fact huh? Well, I know for a fact
> that 75% of the camera domes in those stores are
> fake and not even connected to anything. The next
> time you're in a Home Depot, look up at a security
> dome and try to find a baby blue wire connected
> (which is the color they use for their LAN). You
> will see it on the cameras at the entrance, but
> most other locations around the store are false
> and NOTHING is connected.
>
> I know this for an absolute fact.
This is where you are wrong. All the cameras at Home Depot are at the end of piece of conduit. You can't see any wires at all! They do this for reason.
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > asdfasbj Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Olde Farte, II Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > raskull Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > ...The system at Costco is top of the
> line,
> > > > > you can zoom in on a dime and tell if's
> > heads
> > > > or
> > > > > tails up...
> > > >
> > > > I was at Costco this afternoon and
> > purposefully
> > > > looked everywhere for security cameras - as
> > > noted
> > > > before the ONLY cameras I saw are near the
> > > front
> > > > of the store and above the jewelry (this
> > latter
> > > > one probably has the ability you describe).
> > > >
> > > > I can assume I simply missed "all the
> others"
> > > but,
> > > > if so, they're not inside light fixtures,
> > > outlet
> > > > fixtures, parts of cabling, or visible
> > > on/inside
> > > > framework.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think they exist.
> > >
> > > You might be right. I went in there over the
> > > weekend and didn't see many cameras at all. I
> > > poked around and tried to ask some questions
> > but
> > > both the cashier and the ladies with the food
> > > samples said that they, "Weren't allowed to
> > talk
> > > about it" per Costco management. Maybe
> because
> > > they don't want their name brand associated
> > with
> > > this incident I would imagine.
> >
> > You should try googling hidden cameras. They
> can
> > be hidden in thermostats, clocks, smoke
> detectors
> > (this is the most commonly used comercially
> hidden
> > camera, but does not offer PTZ feature), light
> > fixtures. I happen to know the head of LP at a
> > Wal-Mart and she says there are over 60 cameras
> in
> > her store (over half watch cash handelers). I
> know
> > for fact the average Home Depot store has at
> least
> > 2 camers per asile (x20-30 asiles), 2 per
> register
> > (x10-15 registers), 1 on each entrance door
> (x3-6
> > doors) as well as 6-10 outside.
>
>
> You know for a fact huh? Well, I know for a fact
> that 75% of the camera domes in those stores are
> fake and not even connected to anything. The next
> time you're in a Home Depot, look up at a security
> dome and try to find a baby blue wire connected
> (which is the color they use for their LAN). You
> will see it on the cameras at the entrance, but
> most other locations around the store are false
> and NOTHING is connected.
>
> I know this for an absolute fact.
This is where you are wrong. All the cameras at Home Depot are at the end of piece of conduit. You can't see any wires at all! They do this for reason.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
pMMdy
()
Date: June 11, 2013 03:48PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare
> handed against somebody holding a knife when they
> have other options. Not even the military trains
> soldiers to take on somebody with a knife unless
> they have no other option. Empty hand fighting is
> a option of LAST RESORT.
>
> Even if they are trained to fight, they sure the
> hell would not have stood there trying to fight
> with somebody with a knife.
You are a stupid fuck!
NO ONE is saying they should have chosen hand-to-hand combat...that is YOU projecting what you think others are talking about.
There are, and were, a dozen different ways to handle the situation and the officers chose the LAST RESORT.........FIRST.
The officers involved should face criminal punishment - I would guess some level of murder.
Here is the difference between normal posters and GFR.....
WE can understand using lethal force IF the lady was about to stab someone else or the officer (even though the officer should not be dumb enough to get in that situation). WE understand if someone was in IMMEDIATE DANGER that lethal force is justified. WE know for a fact that this was not one of those times.
You can not just admit that the officer fucked up and killed someone needlessly. You just do not have the character or intelligence to see the reality and objectively come to a reasonable conclusion. You are biased by some other agenda or just simply ignorant.
We hope for justice for the woman who needed HELP from the people paid to protect her.....not kill her.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare
> handed against somebody holding a knife when they
> have other options. Not even the military trains
> soldiers to take on somebody with a knife unless
> they have no other option. Empty hand fighting is
> a option of LAST RESORT.
>
> Even if they are trained to fight, they sure the
> hell would not have stood there trying to fight
> with somebody with a knife.
You are a stupid fuck!
NO ONE is saying they should have chosen hand-to-hand combat...that is YOU projecting what you think others are talking about.
There are, and were, a dozen different ways to handle the situation and the officers chose the LAST RESORT.........FIRST.
The officers involved should face criminal punishment - I would guess some level of murder.
Here is the difference between normal posters and GFR.....
WE can understand using lethal force IF the lady was about to stab someone else or the officer (even though the officer should not be dumb enough to get in that situation). WE understand if someone was in IMMEDIATE DANGER that lethal force is justified. WE know for a fact that this was not one of those times.
You can not just admit that the officer fucked up and killed someone needlessly. You just do not have the character or intelligence to see the reality and objectively come to a reasonable conclusion. You are biased by some other agenda or just simply ignorant.
We hope for justice for the woman who needed HELP from the people paid to protect her.....not kill her.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
9Lcmn
()
Date: June 11, 2013 03:50PM
Fools Gold Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Again...nobody was empty handed you moron.
>
> After the tazer the police have all their other
> "less than lethal" BS...CS gas, mace , pepper
> spray whatever they call it now, the tazer (there
> were how many officers there? How many tazers?) oh
> and alas..the mighty Baton. You give me a baton
> and I'll fight a 5 foot nothing Filipina with a
> fucking pizza cutter. They could have picked up
> anything and hit her with it.
>
> Look, I personally am for lethal force. But its
> like the "oh shit she's headed right for us..glick
> glick..shoot her ass billy"
>
> Also because this is an Asian (could be white,
> Asian anything other than black) its not a big
> deal to some, but Zimmerman was getting his head
> pounded in , in a hand to hand situation, but a
> larger and stronger man ..shoots said man boy/
> overgrown teen and now its a national debate.
> Man shoots possibly mentally Ill FIlipina, when he had
> other back up and its not a big deal because he
> has a badge?
^^^THIS....he should burn for murder.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Again...nobody was empty handed you moron.
>
> After the tazer the police have all their other
> "less than lethal" BS...CS gas, mace , pepper
> spray whatever they call it now, the tazer (there
> were how many officers there? How many tazers?) oh
> and alas..the mighty Baton. You give me a baton
> and I'll fight a 5 foot nothing Filipina with a
> fucking pizza cutter. They could have picked up
> anything and hit her with it.
>
> Look, I personally am for lethal force. But its
> like the "oh shit she's headed right for us..glick
> glick..shoot her ass billy"
>
> Also because this is an Asian (could be white,
> Asian anything other than black) its not a big
> deal to some, but Zimmerman was getting his head
> pounded in , in a hand to hand situation, but a
> larger and stronger man ..shoots said man boy/
> overgrown teen and now its a national debate.
> Man shoots possibly mentally Ill FIlipina, when he had
> other back up and its not a big deal because he
> has a badge?
^^^THIS....he should burn for murder.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
#1
()
Date: June 11, 2013 03:51PM
pMMdy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare
> > handed against somebody holding a knife when
> they
> > have other options. Not even the military
> trains
> > soldiers to take on somebody with a knife
> unless
> > they have no other option. Empty hand fighting
> is
> > a option of LAST RESORT.
> >
> > Even if they are trained to fight, they sure
> the
> > hell would not have stood there trying to fight
> > with somebody with a knife.
>
>
> You are a stupid fuck!
>
> NO ONE is saying they should have chosen
> hand-to-hand combat...that is YOU projecting what
> you think others are talking about.
>
> There are, and were, a dozen different ways to
> handle the situation and the officers chose the
> LAST RESORT.........FIRST.
>
> The officers involved should face criminal
> punishment - I would guess some level of murder.
>
> Here is the difference between normal posters and
> GFR.....
>
> WE can understand using lethal force IF the lady
> was about to stab someone else or the officer
> (even though the officer should not be dumb enough
> to get in that situation). WE understand if
> someone was in IMMEDIATE DANGER that lethal force
> is justified. WE know for a fact that this was not
> one of those times.
>
>
>
> You can not just admit that the officer fucked up
> and killed someone needlessly. You just do not
> have the character or intelligence to see the
> reality and objectively come to a reasonable
> conclusion. You are biased by some other agenda or
> just simply ignorant.
>
> We hope for justice for the woman who needed HELP
> from the people paid to protect her.....not kill
> her.
Not to mention charges for endangering the public by firing so many shots in an area with so many customers.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare
> > handed against somebody holding a knife when
> they
> > have other options. Not even the military
> trains
> > soldiers to take on somebody with a knife
> unless
> > they have no other option. Empty hand fighting
> is
> > a option of LAST RESORT.
> >
> > Even if they are trained to fight, they sure
> the
> > hell would not have stood there trying to fight
> > with somebody with a knife.
>
>
> You are a stupid fuck!
>
> NO ONE is saying they should have chosen
> hand-to-hand combat...that is YOU projecting what
> you think others are talking about.
>
> There are, and were, a dozen different ways to
> handle the situation and the officers chose the
> LAST RESORT.........FIRST.
>
> The officers involved should face criminal
> punishment - I would guess some level of murder.
>
> Here is the difference between normal posters and
> GFR.....
>
> WE can understand using lethal force IF the lady
> was about to stab someone else or the officer
> (even though the officer should not be dumb enough
> to get in that situation). WE understand if
> someone was in IMMEDIATE DANGER that lethal force
> is justified. WE know for a fact that this was not
> one of those times.
>
>
>
> You can not just admit that the officer fucked up
> and killed someone needlessly. You just do not
> have the character or intelligence to see the
> reality and objectively come to a reasonable
> conclusion. You are biased by some other agenda or
> just simply ignorant.
>
> We hope for justice for the woman who needed HELP
> from the people paid to protect her.....not kill
> her.
Not to mention charges for endangering the public by firing so many shots in an area with so many customers.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
39K9G
()
Date: June 11, 2013 04:08PM
Fools Gold Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Also because this is an Asian (could be white,
> Asian anything other than black) its not a big
> deal to some, but Zimmerman was getting his head
> pounded in , in a hand to hand situation, but a
> larger and stronger man ..shoots said man boy/
> overgrown teen and now its a national debate. Man
> shoots possibly mentally Ill FIlipina, when he had
> other back up and its not a big deal because he
> has a badge?
Excellent post.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Also because this is an Asian (could be white,
> Asian anything other than black) its not a big
> deal to some, but Zimmerman was getting his head
> pounded in , in a hand to hand situation, but a
> larger and stronger man ..shoots said man boy/
> overgrown teen and now its a national debate. Man
> shoots possibly mentally Ill FIlipina, when he had
> other back up and its not a big deal because he
> has a badge?
Excellent post.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 11, 2013 04:37PM
The silence from the press and the police is quite telling.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 12, 2013 03:47AM
pMMdy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare
> > handed against somebody holding a knife when
> they
> > have other options. Not even the military
> trains
> > soldiers to take on somebody with a knife
> unless
> > they have no other option. Empty hand fighting
> is
> > a option of LAST RESORT.
> >
> > Even if they are trained to fight, they sure
> the
> > hell would not have stood there trying to fight
> > with somebody with a knife.
>
>
> You are a stupid fuck!
>
> NO ONE is saying they should have chosen
> hand-to-hand combat...that is YOU projecting what
> you think others are talking about.
>
> There are, and were, a dozen different ways to
> handle the situation and the officers chose the
> LAST RESORT.........FIRST.
>
> The officers involved should face criminal
> punishment - I would guess some level of murder.
>
> Here is the difference between normal posters and
> GFR.....
>
> WE can understand using lethal force IF the lady
> was about to stab someone else or the officer
> (even though the officer should not be dumb enough
> to get in that situation). WE understand if
> someone was in IMMEDIATE DANGER that lethal force
> is justified. WE know for a fact that this was not
> one of those times.
>
>
>
> You can not just admit that the officer fucked up
> and killed someone needlessly. You just do not
> have the character or intelligence to see the
> reality and objectively come to a reasonable
> conclusion. You are biased by some other agenda or
> just simply ignorant.
>
> We hope for justice for the woman who needed HELP
> from the people paid to protect her.....not kill
> her.
Well holy shit...you really can not follow along very well here can you. I suggest you start at page 1 and read everything from the start.
But lets see what I can do here for you.
My agenda is getting to the facts. Yes...I said FACTS. Lets recap the known FACTS.
1. 3 cops respond to call for employee threatening other employees.
2. Employee had a knife.
3. Taser is used on employee.
4. Taser did not "work"-I'll come back to this.
5. Cop shoots 5 times.
6. Employee is hit at least once and is now dead.
7. A cop is also hit in the leg by a bullet from a cop.
8. Lots of other cops showed up.
9. Cops are not saying shit now.
Can we all agree these are the basic facts as reported and confirmed? Are there any FACTS...not opinions...that I have left out?
1-I have not seen a whole lot of information on who the three cops were that showed up. Were they rookies? was a supervisor there? Was it three fat donut eating redneck hicks? Was it a 5'0" 100lb female officer?
I have no idea-do you? And yes...all of this matters to the courts.
2-She had a knife. It is a deadly weapon. She did not do what was she was told to such as "drop it". Wait, that's my opinion as I have no FACTS to say the cops told her to drop the knife. However, it does not matter if she lunged or walking towards the cops. Once she is at 21 feet, she is considered a immediate threat to the cops. They are legally allowed to use deadly force to protect themselves. The proper and trained response to a person with a knife within 21 feet is deadly force. Especially if other PROPER non-lethal or less lethal force options have failed if available.
OC or a night stick is not proper force level response to a person with a knife with in 21 feet. Another poster explained this very well on page 2.
3-I do not think this needs to be addressed.
4-Does anybody know why the taser did not work? This is vague as nobody is saying why it did not work. Some reasons tasers do not work or fail are: weak battery-not enough charge to make the thing work. The cop missed which happens a lot. The darts did not make proper contact, which happens a lot. Or the thing just did not work because it was broken, has happened before.
We know there was at least 1 taser there, was there more? Not every cop carries a taser. I have no idea what the Loudoun policy is or who carries them, do you? Some police departments only have supervisors carry them, some issue them to every officer, most are somewhere in between. It is very likely there was only 1 taser there.
5-5 rounds are shot but nothing on how many hit her. I could go on all day on this alone. But I won't because I doubt you could understand it all and just too many possibilities to say why 5 were fired.
6-I do not think anybody is debating she is dead.
7-Again, no facts here. Nobody here know how or why this officer was hit. Did a round go though the lady? Did the cop have shitty aim? Again, just not enough info.
8-See my first and second post I made on page 3. I think I explained this already.
9-I'll address this in another post.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare
> > handed against somebody holding a knife when
> they
> > have other options. Not even the military
> trains
> > soldiers to take on somebody with a knife
> unless
> > they have no other option. Empty hand fighting
> is
> > a option of LAST RESORT.
> >
> > Even if they are trained to fight, they sure
> the
> > hell would not have stood there trying to fight
> > with somebody with a knife.
>
>
> You are a stupid fuck!
>
> NO ONE is saying they should have chosen
> hand-to-hand combat...that is YOU projecting what
> you think others are talking about.
>
> There are, and were, a dozen different ways to
> handle the situation and the officers chose the
> LAST RESORT.........FIRST.
>
> The officers involved should face criminal
> punishment - I would guess some level of murder.
>
> Here is the difference between normal posters and
> GFR.....
>
> WE can understand using lethal force IF the lady
> was about to stab someone else or the officer
> (even though the officer should not be dumb enough
> to get in that situation). WE understand if
> someone was in IMMEDIATE DANGER that lethal force
> is justified. WE know for a fact that this was not
> one of those times.
>
>
>
> You can not just admit that the officer fucked up
> and killed someone needlessly. You just do not
> have the character or intelligence to see the
> reality and objectively come to a reasonable
> conclusion. You are biased by some other agenda or
> just simply ignorant.
>
> We hope for justice for the woman who needed HELP
> from the people paid to protect her.....not kill
> her.
Well holy shit...you really can not follow along very well here can you. I suggest you start at page 1 and read everything from the start.
But lets see what I can do here for you.
My agenda is getting to the facts. Yes...I said FACTS. Lets recap the known FACTS.
1. 3 cops respond to call for employee threatening other employees.
2. Employee had a knife.
3. Taser is used on employee.
4. Taser did not "work"-I'll come back to this.
5. Cop shoots 5 times.
6. Employee is hit at least once and is now dead.
7. A cop is also hit in the leg by a bullet from a cop.
8. Lots of other cops showed up.
9. Cops are not saying shit now.
Can we all agree these are the basic facts as reported and confirmed? Are there any FACTS...not opinions...that I have left out?
1-I have not seen a whole lot of information on who the three cops were that showed up. Were they rookies? was a supervisor there? Was it three fat donut eating redneck hicks? Was it a 5'0" 100lb female officer?
I have no idea-do you? And yes...all of this matters to the courts.
2-She had a knife. It is a deadly weapon. She did not do what was she was told to such as "drop it". Wait, that's my opinion as I have no FACTS to say the cops told her to drop the knife. However, it does not matter if she lunged or walking towards the cops. Once she is at 21 feet, she is considered a immediate threat to the cops. They are legally allowed to use deadly force to protect themselves. The proper and trained response to a person with a knife within 21 feet is deadly force. Especially if other PROPER non-lethal or less lethal force options have failed if available.
OC or a night stick is not proper force level response to a person with a knife with in 21 feet. Another poster explained this very well on page 2.
3-I do not think this needs to be addressed.
4-Does anybody know why the taser did not work? This is vague as nobody is saying why it did not work. Some reasons tasers do not work or fail are: weak battery-not enough charge to make the thing work. The cop missed which happens a lot. The darts did not make proper contact, which happens a lot. Or the thing just did not work because it was broken, has happened before.
We know there was at least 1 taser there, was there more? Not every cop carries a taser. I have no idea what the Loudoun policy is or who carries them, do you? Some police departments only have supervisors carry them, some issue them to every officer, most are somewhere in between. It is very likely there was only 1 taser there.
5-5 rounds are shot but nothing on how many hit her. I could go on all day on this alone. But I won't because I doubt you could understand it all and just too many possibilities to say why 5 were fired.
6-I do not think anybody is debating she is dead.
7-Again, no facts here. Nobody here know how or why this officer was hit. Did a round go though the lady? Did the cop have shitty aim? Again, just not enough info.
8-See my first and second post I made on page 3. I think I explained this already.
9-I'll address this in another post.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 12, 2013 04:05AM
pMMdy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare
> > handed against somebody holding a knife when
> they
> > have other options. Not even the military
> trains
> > soldiers to take on somebody with a knife
> unless
> > they have no other option. Empty hand fighting
> is
> > a option of LAST RESORT.
> >
> > Even if they are trained to fight, they sure
> the
> > hell would not have stood there trying to fight
> > with somebody with a knife.
>
>
> You are a stupid fuck!
>
> NO ONE is saying they should have chosen
> hand-to-hand combat...that is YOU projecting what
> you think others are talking about.
>
> There are, and were, a dozen different ways to
> handle the situation and the officers chose the
> LAST RESORT.........FIRST.
>
> The officers involved should face criminal
> punishment - I would guess some level of murder.
>
> Here is the difference between normal posters and
> GFR.....
>
> WE can understand using lethal force IF the lady
> was about to stab someone else or the officer
> (even though the officer should not be dumb enough
> to get in that situation). WE understand if
> someone was in IMMEDIATE DANGER that lethal force
> is justified. WE know for a fact that this was not
> one of those times.
>
>
>
> You can not just admit that the officer fucked up
> and killed someone needlessly. You just do not
> have the character or intelligence to see the
> reality and objectively come to a reasonable
> conclusion. You are biased by some other agenda or
> just simply ignorant.
>
> We hope for justice for the woman who needed HELP
> from the people paid to protect her.....not kill
> her.
So if you are keeping up, you list reasons why you feel deadly force should be used and stated for a fact that this was not one of those times.
Well holy shit, so you witnessed this whole thing? Or the investigators have called you daily to brief you on how the investigation is going or what the witnesses are telling them. I did not think so. So where are these facts from that you claim and what are those facts?
PLEASE POST YOUR FACTS. Again...facts..not opinions.
In my 3rd or 4th post on page 3 I clearly stated I was not there and do not know all the FACTS. I also stated the officers may have screwed up. As cops are humans and they do fuck up.
And to answer the last stupid issue from your post, every time I said anything about fighting or hand to hand combat was a direct response to a question asked by another poster about police training pertaining to fighting.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Nobody trains people to stand and fight bare
> > handed against somebody holding a knife when
> they
> > have other options. Not even the military
> trains
> > soldiers to take on somebody with a knife
> unless
> > they have no other option. Empty hand fighting
> is
> > a option of LAST RESORT.
> >
> > Even if they are trained to fight, they sure
> the
> > hell would not have stood there trying to fight
> > with somebody with a knife.
>
>
> You are a stupid fuck!
>
> NO ONE is saying they should have chosen
> hand-to-hand combat...that is YOU projecting what
> you think others are talking about.
>
> There are, and were, a dozen different ways to
> handle the situation and the officers chose the
> LAST RESORT.........FIRST.
>
> The officers involved should face criminal
> punishment - I would guess some level of murder.
>
> Here is the difference between normal posters and
> GFR.....
>
> WE can understand using lethal force IF the lady
> was about to stab someone else or the officer
> (even though the officer should not be dumb enough
> to get in that situation). WE understand if
> someone was in IMMEDIATE DANGER that lethal force
> is justified. WE know for a fact that this was not
> one of those times.
>
>
>
> You can not just admit that the officer fucked up
> and killed someone needlessly. You just do not
> have the character or intelligence to see the
> reality and objectively come to a reasonable
> conclusion. You are biased by some other agenda or
> just simply ignorant.
>
> We hope for justice for the woman who needed HELP
> from the people paid to protect her.....not kill
> her.
So if you are keeping up, you list reasons why you feel deadly force should be used and stated for a fact that this was not one of those times.
Well holy shit, so you witnessed this whole thing? Or the investigators have called you daily to brief you on how the investigation is going or what the witnesses are telling them. I did not think so. So where are these facts from that you claim and what are those facts?
PLEASE POST YOUR FACTS. Again...facts..not opinions.
In my 3rd or 4th post on page 3 I clearly stated I was not there and do not know all the FACTS. I also stated the officers may have screwed up. As cops are humans and they do fuck up.
And to answer the last stupid issue from your post, every time I said anything about fighting or hand to hand combat was a direct response to a question asked by another poster about police training pertaining to fighting.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 12, 2013 04:29AM
Stabitha Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The silence from the press and the police is quite
> telling.
To address point 9 now--
The press has nothing new to report so they are not reporting anything. Maybe code pink should go protest. This would be something new to the story so it would give the news people something to report.
As far as the cops go--
Anytime a cop shoots their gun at somebody, there is a CRIMINAL investigation done. Here is the thing, the cop does not have to talk to the investigators until he wants to or until his lawyer gets there because the cop has all the same rights you have under the 5th and 6th. This causes delays in the investigation. Once the criminal investigation is completed and all evidence has been examined, the investigators present the complete case to the commonwealth attorney. The commonwealth attorney then decides if charges should be placed or not.
In most cases, no information will be released after the day the event happened until the commonwealth decides if charges are being placed.
After the commonwealth decides what he is doing, then the police department starts their internal investigation to determine if the officers broke department policies or rules. It is only at this point does the officer loose his constitutional protections under the 5th and 6th. It very easily take 6 months to over a year for the complete investigation to be completed.
And why does the public story change? Because the officer standing in front of the news cameras providing information right after the event most of the time only has the "facts" given to him by an investigator or supervisor. Sometimes these people are provided the information by somebody else. It easy to see how shit gets messed up.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2013 04:32AM by Mr GFR.
-------------------------------------------------------
> The silence from the press and the police is quite
> telling.
To address point 9 now--
The press has nothing new to report so they are not reporting anything. Maybe code pink should go protest. This would be something new to the story so it would give the news people something to report.
As far as the cops go--
Anytime a cop shoots their gun at somebody, there is a CRIMINAL investigation done. Here is the thing, the cop does not have to talk to the investigators until he wants to or until his lawyer gets there because the cop has all the same rights you have under the 5th and 6th. This causes delays in the investigation. Once the criminal investigation is completed and all evidence has been examined, the investigators present the complete case to the commonwealth attorney. The commonwealth attorney then decides if charges should be placed or not.
In most cases, no information will be released after the day the event happened until the commonwealth decides if charges are being placed.
After the commonwealth decides what he is doing, then the police department starts their internal investigation to determine if the officers broke department policies or rules. It is only at this point does the officer loose his constitutional protections under the 5th and 6th. It very easily take 6 months to over a year for the complete investigation to be completed.
And why does the public story change? Because the officer standing in front of the news cameras providing information right after the event most of the time only has the "facts" given to him by an investigator or supervisor. Sometimes these people are provided the information by somebody else. It easy to see how shit gets messed up.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2013 04:32AM by Mr GFR.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
#1
()
Date: June 12, 2013 06:17AM
I am shocked that the Washington Post, the Times, or the Patch hasn't looked into this more thoroughly.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Sometimes they're NOT after you
()
Date: June 12, 2013 09:01AM
#1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am shocked that the Washington Post, the Times,
> or the Patch hasn't looked into this more
> thoroughly.
Maybe they have and there's just nothing to find.
Not everything is a conspiracy or cover-up. Some things are black and white.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am shocked that the Washington Post, the Times,
> or the Patch hasn't looked into this more
> thoroughly.
Maybe they have and there's just nothing to find.
Not everything is a conspiracy or cover-up. Some things are black and white.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
#1
()
Date: June 12, 2013 10:14AM
Sometimes they're NOT after you Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> #1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am shocked that the Washington Post, the
> Times,
> > or the Patch hasn't looked into this more
> > thoroughly.
>
> Maybe they have and there's just nothing to find.
>
> Not everything is a conspiracy or cover-up. Some
> things are black and white.
Maybe so, but judging by this thread I'd say there was more to this story.
-------------------------------------------------------
> #1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am shocked that the Washington Post, the
> Times,
> > or the Patch hasn't looked into this more
> > thoroughly.
>
> Maybe they have and there's just nothing to find.
>
> Not everything is a conspiracy or cover-up. Some
> things are black and white.
Maybe so, but judging by this thread I'd say there was more to this story.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
boobsalot
()
Date: June 12, 2013 10:21AM
Cop has a built-in Stand Your Ground defense since she was coming at him with a weapon. He may have exercised poor judgment like the other fellow we know. If she was so dangerous, why were there only 2 officers and why wasn't the store cleared before they physically confronted the target? Once the store is cleared, she poses no physical threat to anyone but herself for all intents.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 12, 2013 12:06PM
#1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sometimes they're NOT after you Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > #1 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I am shocked that the Washington Post, the
> > Times,
> > > or the Patch hasn't looked into this more
> > > thoroughly.
> >
> > Maybe they have and there's just nothing to
> find.
> >
> > Not everything is a conspiracy or cover-up.
> Some
> > things are black and white.
>
> Maybe so, but judging by this thread I'd say there
> was more to this story.
You are forming your opinion from what is in this thread posted by people that have no more information about what happened based upon real facts then you do?
Do you walk around all day making strange sounds of "Bah Bah".
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sometimes they're NOT after you Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > #1 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I am shocked that the Washington Post, the
> > Times,
> > > or the Patch hasn't looked into this more
> > > thoroughly.
> >
> > Maybe they have and there's just nothing to
> find.
> >
> > Not everything is a conspiracy or cover-up.
> Some
> > things are black and white.
>
> Maybe so, but judging by this thread I'd say there
> was more to this story.
You are forming your opinion from what is in this thread posted by people that have no more information about what happened based upon real facts then you do?
Do you walk around all day making strange sounds of "Bah Bah".
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 12, 2013 12:12PM
boobsalot Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cop has a built-in Stand Your Ground defense since
> she was coming at him with a weapon. He may have
> exercised poor judgment like the other fellow we
> know. If she was so dangerous, why were there
> only 2 officers and why wasn't the store cleared
> before they physically confronted the target?
> Once the store is cleared, she poses no physical
> threat to anyone but herself for all intents.
There was three cops. Maybe they did not go in thinking they were going to have to shoot her? Just maybe that's how things evolved once they went into the store. Not like they can just call time out in the middle of it so they can get everybody in the store out. Then again, maybe they should have just called Superman or Spiderman to come solve the problem.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cop has a built-in Stand Your Ground defense since
> she was coming at him with a weapon. He may have
> exercised poor judgment like the other fellow we
> know. If she was so dangerous, why were there
> only 2 officers and why wasn't the store cleared
> before they physically confronted the target?
> Once the store is cleared, she poses no physical
> threat to anyone but herself for all intents.
There was three cops. Maybe they did not go in thinking they were going to have to shoot her? Just maybe that's how things evolved once they went into the store. Not like they can just call time out in the middle of it so they can get everybody in the store out. Then again, maybe they should have just called Superman or Spiderman to come solve the problem.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
questionable facts
()
Date: June 12, 2013 12:26PM
My agenda is getting to the facts. Yes...I said FACTS. Lets recap the known FACTS.
1. 3 cops respond to call for employee threatening other employees.
2. Employee had a knife.
3. Taser is used on employee.
4. Taser did not "work"-I'll come back to this.
5. Cop shoots 5 times.
6. Employee is hit at least once and is now dead.
7. A cop is also hit in the leg by a bullet from a cop.
8. Lots of other cops showed up.
9. Cops are not saying shit now.
*********************************************************************
1. not proven she was threatening anyone-language was acting strangely.
2. Yep, had knife--was slicing pizza samples
3.,4.,5. ??? have cops 100% confirmed this-they are awful quiet now.
6. DUH
7. proves recklessness on cop's part-could have hit a bystander
8. spectators and gawkers nothing more
9. agree-hiding what?
1. 3 cops respond to call for employee threatening other employees.
2. Employee had a knife.
3. Taser is used on employee.
4. Taser did not "work"-I'll come back to this.
5. Cop shoots 5 times.
6. Employee is hit at least once and is now dead.
7. A cop is also hit in the leg by a bullet from a cop.
8. Lots of other cops showed up.
9. Cops are not saying shit now.
*********************************************************************
1. not proven she was threatening anyone-language was acting strangely.
2. Yep, had knife--was slicing pizza samples
3.,4.,5. ??? have cops 100% confirmed this-they are awful quiet now.
6. DUH
7. proves recklessness on cop's part-could have hit a bystander
8. spectators and gawkers nothing more
9. agree-hiding what?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Superheros are more reliable
()
Date: June 12, 2013 12:28PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>> Then again, maybe they
> should have just called Superman or Spiderman to
> come solve the problem.
Superman/Spiderman would have done a better job.
-------------------------------------------------------
>> Then again, maybe they
> should have just called Superman or Spiderman to
> come solve the problem.
Superman/Spiderman would have done a better job.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
King Dong
()
Date: June 12, 2013 01:59PM
Yeah I think they probably could have subdued her somehow. Probably could have still been alive, that lady.
But then again probably and should have , would have are all arm chair quarterback fluff anyways. At that moment you make the decision and go with it. It's going to be you getting stabbed and no matter the weight of the attacker there is always the potential that you might not make it home to see your family again.
I mean the flip side of all this silly talk is that uhmm maybe we have forgotten that you just don't pull a fucking knife on innocent people around you and certainly don't pull a knife on police.
Maybe she was mentally ill..my guess is yes. But its her or them and in that moment "them" won.
But then again probably and should have , would have are all arm chair quarterback fluff anyways. At that moment you make the decision and go with it. It's going to be you getting stabbed and no matter the weight of the attacker there is always the potential that you might not make it home to see your family again.
I mean the flip side of all this silly talk is that uhmm maybe we have forgotten that you just don't pull a fucking knife on innocent people around you and certainly don't pull a knife on police.
Maybe she was mentally ill..my guess is yes. But its her or them and in that moment "them" won.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
YvkHX
()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:06PM
King Dong Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah I think they probably could have subdued her
> somehow. Probably could have still been alive,
> that lady.
>
> But then again probably and should have , would
> have are all arm chair quarterback fluff anyways.
> At that moment you make the decision and go with
> it. It's going to be you getting stabbed and no
> matter the weight of the attacker there is always
> the potential that you might not make it home to
> see your family again.
>
> I mean the flip side of all this silly talk is
> that uhmm maybe we have forgotten that you just
> don't pull a fucking knife on innocent people
> around you and certainly don't pull a knife on
> police.
>
> Maybe she was mentally ill..my guess is yes. But
> its her or them and in that moment "them" won.
BULLSHIT!
She was NO DANGER to anyone - EVEN WITH THE KNIFE. There were no "innocent people" or officers in any danger. She did not "pull" a knife on anyone, she "showed" or had a knife (pizza cutter) on her.
There never needed to be that "moment", the police murdered that lady. There were soooo many alternatives to killing her.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah I think they probably could have subdued her
> somehow. Probably could have still been alive,
> that lady.
>
> But then again probably and should have , would
> have are all arm chair quarterback fluff anyways.
> At that moment you make the decision and go with
> it. It's going to be you getting stabbed and no
> matter the weight of the attacker there is always
> the potential that you might not make it home to
> see your family again.
>
> I mean the flip side of all this silly talk is
> that uhmm maybe we have forgotten that you just
> don't pull a fucking knife on innocent people
> around you and certainly don't pull a knife on
> police.
>
> Maybe she was mentally ill..my guess is yes. But
> its her or them and in that moment "them" won.
BULLSHIT!
She was NO DANGER to anyone - EVEN WITH THE KNIFE. There were no "innocent people" or officers in any danger. She did not "pull" a knife on anyone, she "showed" or had a knife (pizza cutter) on her.
There never needed to be that "moment", the police murdered that lady. There were soooo many alternatives to killing her.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
King Dong
()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:26PM
You typed in all Caps. You do seem pretty serious. Maybe I should change my mind.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
pjwC7
()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:26PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> There was three cops. Maybe they did not go in
> thinking they were going to have to shoot her?
No one is saying this.
> Just maybe that's how things evolved once they
> went into the store.
The "crouched" and moved quickly like an "ambush" as reported by witnesses.
> Not like they can just call
> time out in the middle of it so they can get
> everybody in the store out.
There sure could have done just this - all they had to do was relax and take control of the situation - not ambush the lady who needed help. Keep her at a safe distance, while the store (or that immediate area of the store) clears out.
It really is fucking simple, we will try one of your lists:
1. Lady was NO THREAT to anyone
2. Police played "swat" and fucking SUPRISED / AMBUSHED her as their first brilliant move (nothing eases a person having mental problems more than 2-3 cops jumping up from nowhere)
3. They tried a taser - ok.........try again, or pepper spray, or fucking use the "force" - there are so many alternatives that would have resulted in a life saved
4. AFTER her manic mood, or mental lapse, she would have went back to her normal self - NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO DO THIS
5. Police were aware of what the lady was doing, acting "strangely" - better bring the fucking bazooka...and why not just stay on the phone with whoever called until they got there?
6. FUCK - she needed HELP not DEATH.
Bottom-line:
Police get call of a petite lady who is acting strangely(I guarantee her race was mentioned) - they go there and decide it best to SNEAK up on and AMBUSH this woman who is not stable at the time. Then they kill her.
What was going through cops mind...
SNEAKING...SNEAKING.... I LOOK SO COOL, I TRAINED FOR THIS BAD-ASS STUFF...OK, JUMP UP ......"Bob Taser her" - ok, it did not work - OK, BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Even if this woman had a 9 FOOT SPEAR at her side...there was no reason to KILL her.
-------------------------------------------------------
> There was three cops. Maybe they did not go in
> thinking they were going to have to shoot her?
No one is saying this.
> Just maybe that's how things evolved once they
> went into the store.
The "crouched" and moved quickly like an "ambush" as reported by witnesses.
> Not like they can just call
> time out in the middle of it so they can get
> everybody in the store out.
There sure could have done just this - all they had to do was relax and take control of the situation - not ambush the lady who needed help. Keep her at a safe distance, while the store (or that immediate area of the store) clears out.
It really is fucking simple, we will try one of your lists:
1. Lady was NO THREAT to anyone
2. Police played "swat" and fucking SUPRISED / AMBUSHED her as their first brilliant move (nothing eases a person having mental problems more than 2-3 cops jumping up from nowhere)
3. They tried a taser - ok.........try again, or pepper spray, or fucking use the "force" - there are so many alternatives that would have resulted in a life saved
4. AFTER her manic mood, or mental lapse, she would have went back to her normal self - NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO DO THIS
5. Police were aware of what the lady was doing, acting "strangely" - better bring the fucking bazooka...and why not just stay on the phone with whoever called until they got there?
6. FUCK - she needed HELP not DEATH.
Bottom-line:
Police get call of a petite lady who is acting strangely(I guarantee her race was mentioned) - they go there and decide it best to SNEAK up on and AMBUSH this woman who is not stable at the time. Then they kill her.
What was going through cops mind...
SNEAKING...SNEAKING.... I LOOK SO COOL, I TRAINED FOR THIS BAD-ASS STUFF...OK, JUMP UP ......"Bob Taser her" - ok, it did not work - OK, BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Even if this woman had a 9 FOOT SPEAR at her side...there was no reason to KILL her.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
jWPJL
()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:27PM
King Dong Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You typed in all Caps. You do seem pretty serious.
> Maybe I should change my mind.
No, just educate yourself on critical thinking and then get back to us.
-------------------------------------------------------
> You typed in all Caps. You do seem pretty serious.
> Maybe I should change my mind.
No, just educate yourself on critical thinking and then get back to us.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
what I would have done
()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:38PM
Ok, so I get the call.....unstable woman in costco.
I show up and she is visibly upset. What do I do??
Scenario 1:
I try to clam her down. Maam, I see you are upset, what can I do to help you? Let's go outside and talk about it, we can get a counselor for you. We all have these rough days--you are no different than anyone else. Let's go outside and you can tell me what is going on.
Scenario 2:
I storm in the building looking crazy and aggressive. I scream at woman to drop the weapon. Within seconds I unload my revolver into this woman and wait for the morgue to show up.
Nice work Loudoun...well done.
I show up and she is visibly upset. What do I do??
Scenario 1:
I try to clam her down. Maam, I see you are upset, what can I do to help you? Let's go outside and talk about it, we can get a counselor for you. We all have these rough days--you are no different than anyone else. Let's go outside and you can tell me what is going on.
Scenario 2:
I storm in the building looking crazy and aggressive. I scream at woman to drop the weapon. Within seconds I unload my revolver into this woman and wait for the morgue to show up.
Nice work Loudoun...well done.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
FbDMC
()
Date: June 12, 2013 02:57PM
what I would have done Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ok, so I get the call.....unstable woman in
> costco.
>
> I show up and she is visibly upset. What do I
> do??
>
> Scenario 1:
>
> I try to clam her down. Maam, I see you are upset,
> what can I do to help you? Let's go outside and
> talk about it, we can get a counselor for you. We
> all have these rough days--you are no different
> than anyone else. Let's go outside and you can
> tell me what is going on.
>
> Scenario 2:
>
> I storm in the building looking crazy and
> aggressive. I scream at woman to drop the weapon.
> Within seconds I unload my revolver into this
> woman and wait for the morgue to show up.
>
> Nice work Loudoun...well done.
Thank you - much more precise then I could do....and perfect.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ok, so I get the call.....unstable woman in
> costco.
>
> I show up and she is visibly upset. What do I
> do??
>
> Scenario 1:
>
> I try to clam her down. Maam, I see you are upset,
> what can I do to help you? Let's go outside and
> talk about it, we can get a counselor for you. We
> all have these rough days--you are no different
> than anyone else. Let's go outside and you can
> tell me what is going on.
>
> Scenario 2:
>
> I storm in the building looking crazy and
> aggressive. I scream at woman to drop the weapon.
> Within seconds I unload my revolver into this
> woman and wait for the morgue to show up.
>
> Nice work Loudoun...well done.
Thank you - much more precise then I could do....and perfect.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Linker
()
Date: June 12, 2013 03:30PM
pjwC7 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > There was three cops. Maybe they did not go in
> > thinking they were going to have to shoot her?
>
> No one is saying this.
>
>
> > Just maybe that's how things evolved once they
> > went into the store.
>
> The "crouched" and moved quickly like an "ambush"
> as reported by witnesses.
>
>
> > Not like they can just call
> > time out in the middle of it so they can get
> > everybody in the store out.
>
> There sure could have done just this - all they
> had to do was relax and take control of the
> situation - not ambush the lady who needed help.
> Keep her at a safe distance, while the store (or
> that immediate area of the store) clears out.
>
>
> It really is fucking simple, we will try one of
> your lists:
>
> 1. Lady was NO THREAT to anyone
> 2. Police played "swat" and fucking SUPRISED /
> AMBUSHED her as their first brilliant move
> (nothing eases a person having mental problems
> more than 2-3 cops jumping up from nowhere)
> 3. They tried a taser - ok.........try again, or
> pepper spray, or fucking use the "force" - there
> are so many alternatives that would have resulted
> in a life saved
> 4. AFTER her manic mood, or mental lapse, she
> would have went back to her normal self - NEVER
> HAD A CHANCE TO DO THIS
> 5. Police were aware of what the lady was doing,
> acting "strangely" - better bring the fucking
> bazooka...and why not just stay on the phone with
> whoever called until they got there?
> 6. FUCK - she needed HELP not DEATH.
>
>
>
> Bottom-line:
>
> Police get call of a petite lady who is acting
> strangely(I guarantee her race was mentioned) -
> they go there and decide it best to SNEAK up on
> and AMBUSH this woman who is not stable at the
> time. Then they kill her.
>
>
> What was going through cops mind...
>
> SNEAKING...SNEAKING.... I LOOK SO COOL, I TRAINED
> FOR THIS BAD-ASS STUFF...OK, JUMP UP ......"Bob
> Taser her" - ok, it did not work - OK, BANG BANG
> BANG BANG BANG.
>
>
> Even if this woman had a 9 FOOT SPEAR at her
> side...there was no reason to KILL her.
You guarantee her race was mentioned? hahaha...you must know absolutely nothing about the political correctness of our police forces. Look at half of the dark brown "Jesus Sanchez's" on the Post office wall for most wanted and you can see them listed as "white" or Caucasian. Prison stats in places like CA, that say the prison pop is 35% white..yeah those are a joke too. Most of MS-13 is listed as white for crhistsake. Why do I say this? To simply show you that when they hear "white, black, hispanic,or Asian" suspect thanks to overly PC rules, that really means zippy to a cop.
Fact is that you're a fool , but I'm sure it gets you ensensed and that rightuoues feeling of do-goodness in your veins to believe that the cops are all evil white Racists right? The kind that want to brutalize and kill a small Filipina woman right?
How about we flip this. How about we say because of so many Libby wimps in this area, the alpha male white redneck cop is all but extinct. The cops shooting this lady are just as likely to be 5ft nothing females themselves, or maybe a trans gendered dudet for good measure, or perhaps any other "open minded" minority as they are the John Wayne types that people just love to blame for police brutality.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > There was three cops. Maybe they did not go in
> > thinking they were going to have to shoot her?
>
> No one is saying this.
>
>
> > Just maybe that's how things evolved once they
> > went into the store.
>
> The "crouched" and moved quickly like an "ambush"
> as reported by witnesses.
>
>
> > Not like they can just call
> > time out in the middle of it so they can get
> > everybody in the store out.
>
> There sure could have done just this - all they
> had to do was relax and take control of the
> situation - not ambush the lady who needed help.
> Keep her at a safe distance, while the store (or
> that immediate area of the store) clears out.
>
>
> It really is fucking simple, we will try one of
> your lists:
>
> 1. Lady was NO THREAT to anyone
> 2. Police played "swat" and fucking SUPRISED /
> AMBUSHED her as their first brilliant move
> (nothing eases a person having mental problems
> more than 2-3 cops jumping up from nowhere)
> 3. They tried a taser - ok.........try again, or
> pepper spray, or fucking use the "force" - there
> are so many alternatives that would have resulted
> in a life saved
> 4. AFTER her manic mood, or mental lapse, she
> would have went back to her normal self - NEVER
> HAD A CHANCE TO DO THIS
> 5. Police were aware of what the lady was doing,
> acting "strangely" - better bring the fucking
> bazooka...and why not just stay on the phone with
> whoever called until they got there?
> 6. FUCK - she needed HELP not DEATH.
>
>
>
> Bottom-line:
>
> Police get call of a petite lady who is acting
> strangely(I guarantee her race was mentioned) -
> they go there and decide it best to SNEAK up on
> and AMBUSH this woman who is not stable at the
> time. Then they kill her.
>
>
> What was going through cops mind...
>
> SNEAKING...SNEAKING.... I LOOK SO COOL, I TRAINED
> FOR THIS BAD-ASS STUFF...OK, JUMP UP ......"Bob
> Taser her" - ok, it did not work - OK, BANG BANG
> BANG BANG BANG.
>
>
> Even if this woman had a 9 FOOT SPEAR at her
> side...there was no reason to KILL her.
You guarantee her race was mentioned? hahaha...you must know absolutely nothing about the political correctness of our police forces. Look at half of the dark brown "Jesus Sanchez's" on the Post office wall for most wanted and you can see them listed as "white" or Caucasian. Prison stats in places like CA, that say the prison pop is 35% white..yeah those are a joke too. Most of MS-13 is listed as white for crhistsake. Why do I say this? To simply show you that when they hear "white, black, hispanic,or Asian" suspect thanks to overly PC rules, that really means zippy to a cop.
Fact is that you're a fool , but I'm sure it gets you ensensed and that rightuoues feeling of do-goodness in your veins to believe that the cops are all evil white Racists right? The kind that want to brutalize and kill a small Filipina woman right?
How about we flip this. How about we say because of so many Libby wimps in this area, the alpha male white redneck cop is all but extinct. The cops shooting this lady are just as likely to be 5ft nothing females themselves, or maybe a trans gendered dudet for good measure, or perhaps any other "open minded" minority as they are the John Wayne types that people just love to blame for police brutality.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
what a joke
()
Date: June 12, 2013 04:50PM
Mission Statement:
The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office will strive to continuously improve safety and law enforcement services to all members of our community through the Step Up Strategy of improved service, technology, efficiency and professionalism.
We will work interactively with federal, state, and other local law enforcement authorities to vigorously and fairly enforce criminal laws by sharing capabilities, strategies and assets. We will partner with community services groups and human services agencies to implement strategies that improve the quality of life for County residents, businesses and visitors. Finally, we will engage our community through courteous and proactive outreach and communication, and work diligently to constantly improve our professionalism.
Every member of the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office is expected to contribute to the furtherance of this mission.
The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office will strive to continuously improve safety and law enforcement services to all members of our community through the Step Up Strategy of improved service, technology, efficiency and professionalism.
We will work interactively with federal, state, and other local law enforcement authorities to vigorously and fairly enforce criminal laws by sharing capabilities, strategies and assets. We will partner with community services groups and human services agencies to implement strategies that improve the quality of life for County residents, businesses and visitors. Finally, we will engage our community through courteous and proactive outreach and communication, and work diligently to constantly improve our professionalism.
Every member of the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office is expected to contribute to the furtherance of this mission.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr. Insensitive
()
Date: June 12, 2013 07:20PM
I'm upset because the cops didn't shoot those other rude Demo people. Who cares? They drive badly and don't belong here anyway. If you ask me, give those cops a medal.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 12, 2013 11:48PM
pjwC7 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > There was three cops. Maybe they did not go in
> > thinking they were going to have to shoot her?
>
> No one is saying this.
>
>
> > Just maybe that's how things evolved once they
> > went into the store.
>
> The "crouched" and moved quickly like an "ambush"
> as reported by witnesses.
>
>
> > Not like they can just call
> > time out in the middle of it so they can get
> > everybody in the store out.
>
> There sure could have done just this - all they
> had to do was relax and take control of the
> situation - not ambush the lady who needed help.
> Keep her at a safe distance, while the store (or
> that immediate area of the store) clears out.
>
>
> It really is fucking simple, we will try one of
> your lists:
>
> 1. Lady was NO THREAT to anyone
> 2. Police played "swat" and fucking SUPRISED /
> AMBUSHED her as their first brilliant move
> (nothing eases a person having mental problems
> more than 2-3 cops jumping up from nowhere)
> 3. They tried a taser - ok.........try again, or
> pepper spray, or fucking use the "force" - there
> are so many alternatives that would have resulted
> in a life saved
> 4. AFTER her manic mood, or mental lapse, she
> would have went back to her normal self - NEVER
> HAD A CHANCE TO DO THIS
> 5. Police were aware of what the lady was doing,
> acting "strangely" - better bring the fucking
> bazooka...and why not just stay on the phone with
> whoever called until they got there?
> 6. FUCK - she needed HELP not DEATH.
>
>
>
> Bottom-line:
>
> Police get call of a petite lady who is acting
> strangely(I guarantee her race was mentioned) -
> they go there and decide it best to SNEAK up on
> and AMBUSH this woman who is not stable at the
> time. Then they kill her.
>
>
> What was going through cops mind...
>
> SNEAKING...SNEAKING.... I LOOK SO COOL, I TRAINED
> FOR THIS BAD-ASS STUFF...OK, JUMP UP ......"Bob
> Taser her" - ok, it did not work - OK, BANG BANG
> BANG BANG BANG.
>
>
> Even if this woman had a 9 FOOT SPEAR at her
> side...there was no reason to KILL her.
Only fact in your post is she is dead. Everything thing else was your opinion. Keep trying dumb shit.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > There was three cops. Maybe they did not go in
> > thinking they were going to have to shoot her?
>
> No one is saying this.
>
>
> > Just maybe that's how things evolved once they
> > went into the store.
>
> The "crouched" and moved quickly like an "ambush"
> as reported by witnesses.
>
>
> > Not like they can just call
> > time out in the middle of it so they can get
> > everybody in the store out.
>
> There sure could have done just this - all they
> had to do was relax and take control of the
> situation - not ambush the lady who needed help.
> Keep her at a safe distance, while the store (or
> that immediate area of the store) clears out.
>
>
> It really is fucking simple, we will try one of
> your lists:
>
> 1. Lady was NO THREAT to anyone
> 2. Police played "swat" and fucking SUPRISED /
> AMBUSHED her as their first brilliant move
> (nothing eases a person having mental problems
> more than 2-3 cops jumping up from nowhere)
> 3. They tried a taser - ok.........try again, or
> pepper spray, or fucking use the "force" - there
> are so many alternatives that would have resulted
> in a life saved
> 4. AFTER her manic mood, or mental lapse, she
> would have went back to her normal self - NEVER
> HAD A CHANCE TO DO THIS
> 5. Police were aware of what the lady was doing,
> acting "strangely" - better bring the fucking
> bazooka...and why not just stay on the phone with
> whoever called until they got there?
> 6. FUCK - she needed HELP not DEATH.
>
>
>
> Bottom-line:
>
> Police get call of a petite lady who is acting
> strangely(I guarantee her race was mentioned) -
> they go there and decide it best to SNEAK up on
> and AMBUSH this woman who is not stable at the
> time. Then they kill her.
>
>
> What was going through cops mind...
>
> SNEAKING...SNEAKING.... I LOOK SO COOL, I TRAINED
> FOR THIS BAD-ASS STUFF...OK, JUMP UP ......"Bob
> Taser her" - ok, it did not work - OK, BANG BANG
> BANG BANG BANG.
>
>
> Even if this woman had a 9 FOOT SPEAR at her
> side...there was no reason to KILL her.
Only fact in your post is she is dead. Everything thing else was your opinion. Keep trying dumb shit.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
21 Feet
()
Date: June 13, 2013 12:08AM
What because she's 21 feet away with a pizza cutter that's "legal grounds" to blow her away? Where in the hell is that in the Code Of Virginia?? Police are no different then any body else their backs are supposed to against the wall no room out of it to use deadly force. But we know the drill, the Commonwealth will rubber stamp it "Justified Homicide" The Sheriffs office will decide yes or no was Dept. Policy followed. The voters in LC if not satisfied with what will come out of this should throw out the Commonwealth and the Sherriff on next election day and not let this be swept under the table. A very bad police shooting is what this is.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 13, 2013 12:13AM
21 Feet Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Police are no different then any body
> else their backs are supposed to against the wall
> no room out of it to use deadly force.
Really? Where is this in VA Law?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Police are no different then any body
> else their backs are supposed to against the wall
> no room out of it to use deadly force.
Really? Where is this in VA Law?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
21 Feet
()
Date: June 13, 2013 11:36AM
Its the sprit of the law not the written word as there is no defined written word, Its all very generalized and up to the Commonwealth to determine if charges are filed and in almost all Police shootings there's no charges. In Culpepper a officer was recently sent to prison for a bad shooting of a woman in her car. In Fairfax Co, the officer who shot the man at Huntington Ave and Rt 1 a couple years back also was not charged but the PD did fire him.
The 21 foot rule is about how far a person armed with a knife can travel in one second, hence no time for a officer to react or defend them selves but by use of deadly force by a firearm. But its not spelled out in the law.
Back against the wall, no room to escape, that's what the Commonwealth will expect of any citizen who shoots someone. And no one better think they can shoot some one because there are in your house or on your property.
The situation in Costco could have been handled with a cooler head.
If anyone ever is approached by police and told stop. They better listen up and drop anything in their hands and obey the officers commands, This woman probably never knew that and there's lots that still don't.
The 21 foot rule is about how far a person armed with a knife can travel in one second, hence no time for a officer to react or defend them selves but by use of deadly force by a firearm. But its not spelled out in the law.
Back against the wall, no room to escape, that's what the Commonwealth will expect of any citizen who shoots someone. And no one better think they can shoot some one because there are in your house or on your property.
The situation in Costco could have been handled with a cooler head.
If anyone ever is approached by police and told stop. They better listen up and drop anything in their hands and obey the officers commands, This woman probably never knew that and there's lots that still don't.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Fallen Angel
()
Date: June 13, 2013 12:04PM
The police have been shooting citizens for decades now.
This type of thing happens every day by every government in the world.
That's never going away.
If they shoot someone to keep me safe, I have no problem with that.
Show me the story where they're shooting citizens who aren't a threat to me, and I'll go get my torch/pitchfork and join the angry mob.
This type of thing happens every day by every government in the world.
That's never going away.
If they shoot someone to keep me safe, I have no problem with that.
Show me the story where they're shooting citizens who aren't a threat to me, and I'll go get my torch/pitchfork and join the angry mob.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Chicken Shit
()
Date: June 13, 2013 12:11PM
Fallen Angel Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Show me the story where they're shooting citizens
> who aren't a threat to me, and I'll go get my
> torch/pitchfork and join the angry mob.
So the woman was a threat to you? Are you really this fucking chicken?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Show me the story where they're shooting citizens
> who aren't a threat to me, and I'll go get my
> torch/pitchfork and join the angry mob.
So the woman was a threat to you? Are you really this fucking chicken?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 13, 2013 12:18PM
21 Feet Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Its the sprit of the law not the written word as
> there is no defined written word, Its all very
> generalized and up to the Commonwealth to
> determine if charges are filed and in almost all
> Police shootings there's no charges. In Culpepper
> a officer was recently sent to prison for a bad
> shooting of a woman in her car. In Fairfax Co, the
> officer who shot the man at Huntington Ave and Rt
> 1 a couple years back also was not charged but the
> PD did fire him.
>
> The 21 foot rule is about how far a person armed
> with a knife can travel in one second, hence no
> time for a officer to react or defend them selves
> but by use of deadly force by a firearm. But its
> not spelled out in the law.
>
> Back against the wall, no room to escape, that's
> what the Commonwealth will expect of any citizen
> who shoots someone. And no one better think they
> can shoot some one because there are in your house
> or on your property.
>
> The situation in Costco could have been handled
> with a cooler head.
>
> If anyone ever is approached by police and told
> stop. They better listen up and drop anything in
> their hands and obey the officers commands, This
> woman probably never knew that and there's lots
> that still don't.
I will have to agree with you as you have a well written post.
Almost, when you say "back against the wall with no way to escape" part. This sounds almost like you suggest there is a duty to back away or run away. This is not the sprit of VA law nor is it VA law. Other states do have such laws but VA does not. VA law is a person can defend themselves, or others, with deadly force if they are threatened with great bodily harm and they are legally allowed to be there and they did not create the situation . There is no duty to retreat or back away.
Example-You are legally walking down the street. Guy comes up and starts displaying a pocket knife in his hand and tells you to give him your wallet. You then pull out your gun and shoot him dead. This is legal under VA law. You do not have wait for him to stab you, you do not have to hand him your wallet, and you do not have to run away.
I tried to keep this example very basic. This is just an example, it has nothing to do with the shooting at Costco. I am not suggesting this would be the best thing for a person to do in such a situation.
Like I said, I agree with everything else you said.
Especially the part about the Culpeper cop going to jail. The Fairfax cop should have gone to jail also from everything I have heard about that case.
But neither of those cases are the same of the Costco shooting as this women did have knife.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Its the sprit of the law not the written word as
> there is no defined written word, Its all very
> generalized and up to the Commonwealth to
> determine if charges are filed and in almost all
> Police shootings there's no charges. In Culpepper
> a officer was recently sent to prison for a bad
> shooting of a woman in her car. In Fairfax Co, the
> officer who shot the man at Huntington Ave and Rt
> 1 a couple years back also was not charged but the
> PD did fire him.
>
> The 21 foot rule is about how far a person armed
> with a knife can travel in one second, hence no
> time for a officer to react or defend them selves
> but by use of deadly force by a firearm. But its
> not spelled out in the law.
>
> Back against the wall, no room to escape, that's
> what the Commonwealth will expect of any citizen
> who shoots someone. And no one better think they
> can shoot some one because there are in your house
> or on your property.
>
> The situation in Costco could have been handled
> with a cooler head.
>
> If anyone ever is approached by police and told
> stop. They better listen up and drop anything in
> their hands and obey the officers commands, This
> woman probably never knew that and there's lots
> that still don't.
I will have to agree with you as you have a well written post.
Almost, when you say "back against the wall with no way to escape" part. This sounds almost like you suggest there is a duty to back away or run away. This is not the sprit of VA law nor is it VA law. Other states do have such laws but VA does not. VA law is a person can defend themselves, or others, with deadly force if they are threatened with great bodily harm and they are legally allowed to be there and they did not create the situation . There is no duty to retreat or back away.
Example-You are legally walking down the street. Guy comes up and starts displaying a pocket knife in his hand and tells you to give him your wallet. You then pull out your gun and shoot him dead. This is legal under VA law. You do not have wait for him to stab you, you do not have to hand him your wallet, and you do not have to run away.
I tried to keep this example very basic. This is just an example, it has nothing to do with the shooting at Costco. I am not suggesting this would be the best thing for a person to do in such a situation.
Like I said, I agree with everything else you said.
Especially the part about the Culpeper cop going to jail. The Fairfax cop should have gone to jail also from everything I have heard about that case.
But neither of those cases are the same of the Costco shooting as this women did have knife.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Rocco
()
Date: June 13, 2013 04:31PM
Great Post Mr. Mfer
That is why you hire lawyers. You little tit turds can squal and holler but the fact remains that under VA law this is ok.
That is why you hire lawyers. You little tit turds can squal and holler but the fact remains that under VA law this is ok.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Splattered Asian
()
Date: June 13, 2013 05:58PM
I think we all owe the police an apology. They gave us some excitement, some shooting action, and took out a dangerous asian armed with scissors and a pizza cutter.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 14, 2013 06:02PM
Chicken Shit Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fallen Angel Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Show me the story where they're shooting
> citizens
> > who aren't a threat to me, and I'll go get my
> > torch/pitchfork and join the angry mob.
>
> So the woman was a threat to you? Are you really
> this fucking chicken?
Here's the reality, LCSO deputies answer to an ELECTED official, he CAN NOT be removed from office by any one other than the coroner or the voters every 4 years. The deputies know their boss is in no way accountable to any one other than the voters and Chapman has another 3 &1/2 years till the voters can speak and remove him from office. For those of you who think this in NOT true, I suggest you google Sheriff Joe Arpiao, the locacl government has tried to reomve him, the state government has tried to remove him and the federal government has tried to remove him, NONE HAVE BEEN SUCCESFUL, BECAUSE HE IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND IF THE VOTERS KEEP ELECTING HIM, HE CAN DO AS HE PLEASES!
I've delt with LCSO & have an outstanding civil action against them. Do you really think Internal Affairs is going to rule against their own? That would set them up for millions of dollars in civil action.
OK, you are investigating your-self and a finding wrong doing on your part could cost you TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, exactly what is the out-come of that investigation you are doing on your-self going to be????????
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fallen Angel Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Show me the story where they're shooting
> citizens
> > who aren't a threat to me, and I'll go get my
> > torch/pitchfork and join the angry mob.
>
> So the woman was a threat to you? Are you really
> this fucking chicken?
Here's the reality, LCSO deputies answer to an ELECTED official, he CAN NOT be removed from office by any one other than the coroner or the voters every 4 years. The deputies know their boss is in no way accountable to any one other than the voters and Chapman has another 3 &1/2 years till the voters can speak and remove him from office. For those of you who think this in NOT true, I suggest you google Sheriff Joe Arpiao, the locacl government has tried to reomve him, the state government has tried to remove him and the federal government has tried to remove him, NONE HAVE BEEN SUCCESFUL, BECAUSE HE IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND IF THE VOTERS KEEP ELECTING HIM, HE CAN DO AS HE PLEASES!
I've delt with LCSO & have an outstanding civil action against them. Do you really think Internal Affairs is going to rule against their own? That would set them up for millions of dollars in civil action.
OK, you are investigating your-self and a finding wrong doing on your part could cost you TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, exactly what is the out-come of that investigation you are doing on your-self going to be????????
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
GEu6K
()
Date: June 15, 2013 03:17AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Almost, when you say "back against the wall with
> no way to escape" part. This sounds almost like
> you suggest there is a duty to back away or run
> away. This is not the sprit of VA law nor is it VA
> law.
BULLSHIT!
It is their duty to back away and try to handle the situation with deadly force as a last option. The officers ambushed this woman who had the fucking PIZZA CUTTER and put themselves in an ignorant position. No one was in immediate danger and the officers had many many other options available. The "spirit" of ANY states police force is to PROTECT, even when someone is a danger to themselves.
No one is saying "run away", just that any reasonable person, even with no training, can see the officers trail of mistakes and the results of the situation they put themselves in by acting like fucking rambo.
This is the best post from this thread:
> Ok, so I get the call.....unstable woman in
> costco.
>
> I show up and she is visibly upset. What do I
> do??
>
> Scenario 1:
>
> I try to clam her down. Maam, I see you are upset,
> what can I do to help you? Let's go outside and
> talk about it, we can get a counselor for you. We
> all have these rough days--you are no different
> than anyone else. Let's go outside and you can
> tell me what is going on.
>
> Scenario 2:
>
> I storm in the building looking crazy and
> aggressive. I scream at woman to drop the weapon.
> Within seconds I unload my revolver into this
> woman and wait for the morgue to show up.
>
> Nice work Loudoun...well done.
Even a fucking stubborn and illogical coward like GFR can understand the above scenario 1 as being the proper way to have handled this situation.
Yes, we know - someone comes at you, you can legally shoot them etc....not even comparable to this event.
The FACTS ARE:
The police fucked up from the beginning by:
1. ambushing the unstable woman
2. moving to a unneeded close proximity for no reason
3. not recognizing that no innocent by-standers were in danger
4. not recognizing that a pizza-cutter, even if used by a fucking ninja, is not an immediate threat
5. the woman needed TIME to realize what was happening, due to their over aggressive actions
6. the woman needed HELP <that is their FUCKING JOB, not DEATH
I will use your example - if you see a man with a knife - is the first thing you do RUN CLOSE ENOUGH FOR THE MAN TO USE THE KNIFE? No. You keep a safe distance while making sure you and others in the immediate area are not in danger. Then you do EVERYTHING, even if it takes 37 hours, to convince the person with the knife to just drop the weapon....while offering alternatives, like scenario #1 above. You give yourself distance and time to use ANY of the non-lethal alternatives (tasers, spray, fucking tossing flour in their eyes) BEFORE using deadly force.
Plain and simple - this situation was handled very unprofessionally and the result was the death of an innocent woman.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Almost, when you say "back against the wall with
> no way to escape" part. This sounds almost like
> you suggest there is a duty to back away or run
> away. This is not the sprit of VA law nor is it VA
> law.
BULLSHIT!
It is their duty to back away and try to handle the situation with deadly force as a last option. The officers ambushed this woman who had the fucking PIZZA CUTTER and put themselves in an ignorant position. No one was in immediate danger and the officers had many many other options available. The "spirit" of ANY states police force is to PROTECT, even when someone is a danger to themselves.
No one is saying "run away", just that any reasonable person, even with no training, can see the officers trail of mistakes and the results of the situation they put themselves in by acting like fucking rambo.
This is the best post from this thread:
> Ok, so I get the call.....unstable woman in
> costco.
>
> I show up and she is visibly upset. What do I
> do??
>
> Scenario 1:
>
> I try to clam her down. Maam, I see you are upset,
> what can I do to help you? Let's go outside and
> talk about it, we can get a counselor for you. We
> all have these rough days--you are no different
> than anyone else. Let's go outside and you can
> tell me what is going on.
>
> Scenario 2:
>
> I storm in the building looking crazy and
> aggressive. I scream at woman to drop the weapon.
> Within seconds I unload my revolver into this
> woman and wait for the morgue to show up.
>
> Nice work Loudoun...well done.
Even a fucking stubborn and illogical coward like GFR can understand the above scenario 1 as being the proper way to have handled this situation.
Yes, we know - someone comes at you, you can legally shoot them etc....not even comparable to this event.
The FACTS ARE:
The police fucked up from the beginning by:
1. ambushing the unstable woman
2. moving to a unneeded close proximity for no reason
3. not recognizing that no innocent by-standers were in danger
4. not recognizing that a pizza-cutter, even if used by a fucking ninja, is not an immediate threat
5. the woman needed TIME to realize what was happening, due to their over aggressive actions
6. the woman needed HELP <that is their FUCKING JOB, not DEATH
I will use your example - if you see a man with a knife - is the first thing you do RUN CLOSE ENOUGH FOR THE MAN TO USE THE KNIFE? No. You keep a safe distance while making sure you and others in the immediate area are not in danger. Then you do EVERYTHING, even if it takes 37 hours, to convince the person with the knife to just drop the weapon....while offering alternatives, like scenario #1 above. You give yourself distance and time to use ANY of the non-lethal alternatives (tasers, spray, fucking tossing flour in their eyes) BEFORE using deadly force.
Plain and simple - this situation was handled very unprofessionally and the result was the death of an innocent woman.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Cfhcfh
()
Date: June 15, 2013 08:04AM
As long as everyone is purely speculating at what may have taken place. There is a possible scenario where they are doing just what you said. They enter the store and put themselves into a position between her and the masses still inside the store. They are preparing to evacuate the store. She moves toward the officers. They tell her to drop the weapon, try to taser her, and as a last resort one of the officers draws a pistol at the last minute discharging several rounds as he/she raises the weapon onto target. One bounces off the floor and hits another officer, one or two connect with the target stopping the aggressive action.
The Deputies are under no obligation to retreat and there is a possibility there were still people in harms way had they done so. Nor are they obligated to allow some disturbed woman to hit them, even once, with a two foot long blade.
Perhaps they had no intention of shooting the woman and the Deputy drew the pistol as a last resort, at the last minute, resulting in the poor marksmanship. We simply DO NOT KNOW.
All we do know.
From the official press realease:
"During the incident, two responding deputies gave the suspect several commands to drop the weapons. The female advanced on the two Loudoun County Sheriff’s Deputies and a deputy attempted to control the suspect using a county issued TASER. The TASER was deployed and was ineffective in stopping the threat. At that time multiple shots were fired by the second deputy."
The Deputies are under no obligation to retreat and there is a possibility there were still people in harms way had they done so. Nor are they obligated to allow some disturbed woman to hit them, even once, with a two foot long blade.
Perhaps they had no intention of shooting the woman and the Deputy drew the pistol as a last resort, at the last minute, resulting in the poor marksmanship. We simply DO NOT KNOW.
All we do know.
From the official press realease:
"During the incident, two responding deputies gave the suspect several commands to drop the weapons. The female advanced on the two Loudoun County Sheriff’s Deputies and a deputy attempted to control the suspect using a county issued TASER. The TASER was deployed and was ineffective in stopping the threat. At that time multiple shots were fired by the second deputy."
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
juyjG
()
Date: June 16, 2013 09:39PM
Cfhcfh Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> As long as everyone is purely speculating at what
> may have taken place. There is a possible
> scenario where they are doing just what you said.
> They enter the store and put themselves into a
> position between her and the masses still inside
> the store. They are preparing to evacuate the
> store. She moves toward the officers. They tell
> her to drop the weapon, try to taser her,
Here is where the other officer uses a taser, spray anything
> and as a
> last resort
Waaaay too early to use the term "last resort"
> one of the officers draws a pistol at
> the last minute discharging several rounds as
> he/she raises the weapon onto target. One bounces
> off the floor and hits another officer, one or two
> connect with the target stopping the aggressive
> action.
>
> The Deputies are under no obligation to retreat
> and there is a possibility there were still people
> in harms way had they done so.
The sad thing is that the "other people" that were being "protected" most likely could have handled this situation better than the officers, with NO weapons.
> Nor are they
> obligated to allow some disturbed woman to hit
> them, even once, with a two foot long blade.
No one has even suggested this^ This is why you dumbucks can not make a valid point. No one said they should use an "air-strike" either, wtf?
> Perhaps they had no intention of shooting the
> woman and the Deputy drew the pistol as a last
> resort,
Again, "last resort", they had many alternatives.
> at the last minute, resulting in the poor
> marksmanship.
Please, no excuses for poor training - in fact, shooting another officer supports this LEO's inability to handle that situation and most likely their job.
> From the official press realease:
>
> "During the incident, two responding deputies gave
> the suspect several commands to drop the weapons.
> The female advanced on the two Loudoun County
> Sheriff’s Deputies and a deputy attempted to
> control the suspect using a county issued TASER.
> The TASER was deployed and was ineffective in
> stopping the threat. At that time multiple shots
> were fired by the second deputy."
All this equals is a PC way to say they killed a tiny woman posing no real threat with a pizza-cutter.
-------------------------------------------------------
> As long as everyone is purely speculating at what
> may have taken place. There is a possible
> scenario where they are doing just what you said.
> They enter the store and put themselves into a
> position between her and the masses still inside
> the store. They are preparing to evacuate the
> store. She moves toward the officers. They tell
> her to drop the weapon, try to taser her,
Here is where the other officer uses a taser, spray anything
> and as a
> last resort
Waaaay too early to use the term "last resort"
> one of the officers draws a pistol at
> the last minute discharging several rounds as
> he/she raises the weapon onto target. One bounces
> off the floor and hits another officer, one or two
> connect with the target stopping the aggressive
> action.
>
> The Deputies are under no obligation to retreat
> and there is a possibility there were still people
> in harms way had they done so.
The sad thing is that the "other people" that were being "protected" most likely could have handled this situation better than the officers, with NO weapons.
> Nor are they
> obligated to allow some disturbed woman to hit
> them, even once, with a two foot long blade.
No one has even suggested this^ This is why you dumbucks can not make a valid point. No one said they should use an "air-strike" either, wtf?
> Perhaps they had no intention of shooting the
> woman and the Deputy drew the pistol as a last
> resort,
Again, "last resort", they had many alternatives.
> at the last minute, resulting in the poor
> marksmanship.
Please, no excuses for poor training - in fact, shooting another officer supports this LEO's inability to handle that situation and most likely their job.
> From the official press realease:
>
> "During the incident, two responding deputies gave
> the suspect several commands to drop the weapons.
> The female advanced on the two Loudoun County
> Sheriff’s Deputies and a deputy attempted to
> control the suspect using a county issued TASER.
> The TASER was deployed and was ineffective in
> stopping the threat. At that time multiple shots
> were fired by the second deputy."
All this equals is a PC way to say they killed a tiny woman posing no real threat with a pizza-cutter.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Bybgbgg
()
Date: June 16, 2013 10:34PM
juyjG Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cfhcfh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As long as everyone is purely speculating at
> what
> > may have taken place. There is a possible
> > scenario where they are doing just what you
> said.
> > They enter the store and put themselves into a
> > position between her and the masses still
> inside
> > the store. They are preparing to evacuate the
> > store. She moves toward the officers. They
> tell
> > her to drop the weapon, try to taser her,
>
> Here is where the other officer uses a taser,
> spray anything
>
> > and as a
> > last resort
>
> Waaaay too early to use the term "last resort"
As covered earlier, a person can have their hands on you before you can react and draw your weapon if they are within 21 feet. "Last resort" can happen pretty quickly if the subject wants it to.
>
> > one of the officers draws a pistol at
> > the last minute discharging several rounds as
> > he/she raises the weapon onto target. One
> bounces
> > off the floor and hits another officer, one or
> two
> > connect with the target stopping the aggressive
> > action.
> >
> > The Deputies are under no obligation to retreat
> > and there is a possibility there were still
> people
> > in harms way had they done so.
>
> The sad thing is that the "other people" that were
> being "protected" most likely could have handled
> this situation better than the officers, with NO
> weapons.
>
>
> > Nor are they
> > obligated to allow some disturbed woman to hit
> > them, even once, with a two foot long blade.
>
> No one has even suggested this^ This is why you
> dumbucks can not make a valid point. No one said
> they should use an "air-strike" either, wtf?
>
>
You are so much better at making a "valid point" and obviously far smarter. I should have resorted to name calling and profanity.
> > Perhaps they had no intention of shooting the
> > woman and the Deputy drew the pistol as a last
> > resort,
>
> Again, "last resort", they had many alternatives.
WE DON'T KNOW how long they had to utilize other "alternatives" or if she just ran at them. Why can't you just wait till the investigation is over before running your mouth about what should or should not have happened in a situation you have very little knowledge about.
>
> > at the last minute, resulting in the poor
> > marksmanship.
>
> Please, no excuses for poor training - in fact,
> shooting another officer supports this LEO's
> inability to handle that situation and most likely
> their job.
>
It wasn't an excuse, just a possible explanation. It's a little harder to hit a moving target in real life than it is in your Call of Duty game.
I am not arguing they should have shot the woman. I choose not to make up my mind before I have the details of the investigation. Perhaps you should just call the Sheriff's Office with the results of your analysis. You could save everyone lots of time. All those crime dramas you have watched on TV have obviously paid off.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cfhcfh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As long as everyone is purely speculating at
> what
> > may have taken place. There is a possible
> > scenario where they are doing just what you
> said.
> > They enter the store and put themselves into a
> > position between her and the masses still
> inside
> > the store. They are preparing to evacuate the
> > store. She moves toward the officers. They
> tell
> > her to drop the weapon, try to taser her,
>
> Here is where the other officer uses a taser,
> spray anything
>
> > and as a
> > last resort
>
> Waaaay too early to use the term "last resort"
As covered earlier, a person can have their hands on you before you can react and draw your weapon if they are within 21 feet. "Last resort" can happen pretty quickly if the subject wants it to.
>
> > one of the officers draws a pistol at
> > the last minute discharging several rounds as
> > he/she raises the weapon onto target. One
> bounces
> > off the floor and hits another officer, one or
> two
> > connect with the target stopping the aggressive
> > action.
> >
> > The Deputies are under no obligation to retreat
> > and there is a possibility there were still
> people
> > in harms way had they done so.
>
> The sad thing is that the "other people" that were
> being "protected" most likely could have handled
> this situation better than the officers, with NO
> weapons.
>
>
> > Nor are they
> > obligated to allow some disturbed woman to hit
> > them, even once, with a two foot long blade.
>
> No one has even suggested this^ This is why you
> dumbucks can not make a valid point. No one said
> they should use an "air-strike" either, wtf?
>
>
You are so much better at making a "valid point" and obviously far smarter. I should have resorted to name calling and profanity.
> > Perhaps they had no intention of shooting the
> > woman and the Deputy drew the pistol as a last
> > resort,
>
> Again, "last resort", they had many alternatives.
WE DON'T KNOW how long they had to utilize other "alternatives" or if she just ran at them. Why can't you just wait till the investigation is over before running your mouth about what should or should not have happened in a situation you have very little knowledge about.
>
> > at the last minute, resulting in the poor
> > marksmanship.
>
> Please, no excuses for poor training - in fact,
> shooting another officer supports this LEO's
> inability to handle that situation and most likely
> their job.
>
It wasn't an excuse, just a possible explanation. It's a little harder to hit a moving target in real life than it is in your Call of Duty game.
I am not arguing they should have shot the woman. I choose not to make up my mind before I have the details of the investigation. Perhaps you should just call the Sheriff's Office with the results of your analysis. You could save everyone lots of time. All those crime dramas you have watched on TV have obviously paid off.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
t7TjY
()
Date: June 16, 2013 10:44PM
Resorting to talking about TV crime dramas and video games is YOU projecting.
I would be embarrassed being caught looking like the fool, as you just have been.
I would be embarrassed being caught looking like the fool, as you just have been.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
4pVHD
()
Date: June 16, 2013 10:46PM
The cops fucked up and it will be covered up.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Loudoun Native
()
Date: June 17, 2013 09:45AM
4pVHD Wrote:
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> The cops fucked up and it will be covered up.
+1000. Just like they swept all the incidents with that MWAA cop in Sterling under the rug. Then look what happened.
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> The cops fucked up and it will be covered up.
+1000. Just like they swept all the incidents with that MWAA cop in Sterling under the rug. Then look what happened.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
97mL7
()
Date: June 17, 2013 02:46PM
How does a person start a public group to demand that all the real details come out?
Basically, a watch-dog group focused on this case solely.
Maybe, calling the ACLU or some other group with $$ and power to get things done would be interested in making sure justice is carried out?
Basically, a watch-dog group focused on this case solely.
Maybe, calling the ACLU or some other group with $$ and power to get things done would be interested in making sure justice is carried out?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
taxes are wasted
()
Date: June 17, 2013 06:06PM
If I lived in Loudoun I would be POed at these jokesters woring as cops.
Next time it could be you that needs these bozos to come to your aid.
Why should you pay BIG BUCKS for this level of incompetence.
Heads should roll.
Next time it could be you that needs these bozos to come to your aid.
Why should you pay BIG BUCKS for this level of incompetence.
Heads should roll.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
legal advice to deceased family
()
Date: June 17, 2013 06:14PM
Here you go:
DELIBERATE INDIFFERENCE
Akron is only 15 miles north of Canton, Ohio where the term “deliberate indifference” was first used. Without getting into the details of the civil case, the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that inadequacy of police training may serve as a basis for municipal liability where failure to train amounts to deliberate indifference for the rights of persons with whom the police come into contact. Accordingly, the Court said that the City of Canton was negligent in failing to train their police officers in first aid on a regular basis because the probability of needing to use first aid in police work was so high.
DI In Dealing With the Mentally Ill:
As the person responsible for monitoring training issues for my department, a little over three years ago I realized through reading articles and talking to people in the mental health profession that roughly 10% of our customers were not only mentally ill but also in crisis. It was my opinion that our department lacked sufficient training in this area. At the same time, the State of Ohio Police Officer Training Council reduced the requirements to teach recruits how to deal with persons in mental crisis to 2 hours of training regarding handling the mentally ill and the mentally retarded. Providing equal time for both subjects, recruits receive one-hour of training to equip them to deal with about 10% of the problems they will encounter on the streets.
With the help of our Alcohol, Drug, & Mental Health Board (ADM), I immersed myself in this subject with the idea of providing officers the absolute best comprehensive training in handling these potentially dangerous calls. The ADM Board asked me if I had heard of “The Memphis Model.” I had not. Can you imagine? I was the Director of Training of a fairly large, progressive police department and I knew nothing about the wonderful things that then-Lieutenant Sam Cochran had done to ensure that the Memphis Police Department would never be found liable for deliberate indifference.
DELIBERATE INDIFFERENCE
Akron is only 15 miles north of Canton, Ohio where the term “deliberate indifference” was first used. Without getting into the details of the civil case, the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that inadequacy of police training may serve as a basis for municipal liability where failure to train amounts to deliberate indifference for the rights of persons with whom the police come into contact. Accordingly, the Court said that the City of Canton was negligent in failing to train their police officers in first aid on a regular basis because the probability of needing to use first aid in police work was so high.
DI In Dealing With the Mentally Ill:
As the person responsible for monitoring training issues for my department, a little over three years ago I realized through reading articles and talking to people in the mental health profession that roughly 10% of our customers were not only mentally ill but also in crisis. It was my opinion that our department lacked sufficient training in this area. At the same time, the State of Ohio Police Officer Training Council reduced the requirements to teach recruits how to deal with persons in mental crisis to 2 hours of training regarding handling the mentally ill and the mentally retarded. Providing equal time for both subjects, recruits receive one-hour of training to equip them to deal with about 10% of the problems they will encounter on the streets.
With the help of our Alcohol, Drug, & Mental Health Board (ADM), I immersed myself in this subject with the idea of providing officers the absolute best comprehensive training in handling these potentially dangerous calls. The ADM Board asked me if I had heard of “The Memphis Model.” I had not. Can you imagine? I was the Director of Training of a fairly large, progressive police department and I knew nothing about the wonderful things that then-Lieutenant Sam Cochran had done to ensure that the Memphis Police Department would never be found liable for deliberate indifference.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
can you spell de-escalate?
()
Date: June 17, 2013 06:17PM
A news article once called Sam Cochran “a Prophet.” I consider myself one of his disciples and a friend. The Memphis Model received White House recognition and, therefore was in demand by police agencies across the country. The Summit County ADM Board allowed me the privilege of enrolling in the one-week Crisis Intervention Team (CIT) training in Memphis.
The Memphis Crisis Intervention team program provides intensive training in mental health to volunteer officers. The program not only teaches the officers about mental illness and the local service system, but also emphasizes officers learning new skills to de-escalate individuals in a mental illness crises. Once trained, as part of their ongoing patrol duties, CIT officers are called upon to respond to all calls thought to involve persons with mental illness.
This course provided me with a solid base with which to build our own CIT training in Akron. I brought back the Memphis, Tennessee CIT training manual and shared it with key people on our ADM Board. Together we formed a partnership, to include the local and state National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI).
In Memphis, Major Cochran’s counterpart from Mental Health is Dr. Randy Dupont. I knew I needed such an expert here. There was one waiting for me when I got home — Dr. Mark Munetz, Chief Clinical Officer of the Summit County ADM Board. He was just as excited as I was to provide this type of training in Akron.
Building a CIT in Akron: Learning a New Language
The Memphis Crisis Intervention team program provides intensive training in mental health to volunteer officers. The program not only teaches the officers about mental illness and the local service system, but also emphasizes officers learning new skills to de-escalate individuals in a mental illness crises. Once trained, as part of their ongoing patrol duties, CIT officers are called upon to respond to all calls thought to involve persons with mental illness.
This course provided me with a solid base with which to build our own CIT training in Akron. I brought back the Memphis, Tennessee CIT training manual and shared it with key people on our ADM Board. Together we formed a partnership, to include the local and state National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI).
In Memphis, Major Cochran’s counterpart from Mental Health is Dr. Randy Dupont. I knew I needed such an expert here. There was one waiting for me when I got home — Dr. Mark Munetz, Chief Clinical Officer of the Summit County ADM Board. He was just as excited as I was to provide this type of training in Akron.
Building a CIT in Akron: Learning a New Language
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 17, 2013 06:17PM
Cfhcfh Wrote:
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> As long as everyone is purely speculating at what
> may have taken place. There is a possible
> scenario where they are doing just what you said.
> They enter the store and put themselves into a
> position between her and the masses still inside
> the store. They are preparing to evacuate the
> store. She moves toward the officers. They tell
> her to drop the weapon, try to taser her, and as a
> last resort one of the officers draws a pistol at
> the last minute discharging several rounds as
> he/she raises the weapon onto target. One bounces
> off the floor and hits another officer, one or two
> connect with the target stopping the aggressive
> action.
>
> The Deputies are under no obligation to retreat
> and there is a possibility there were still people
> in harms way had they done so. Nor are they
> obligated to allow some disturbed woman to hit
> them, even once, with a two foot long blade.
>
> Perhaps they had no intention of shooting the
> woman and the Deputy drew the pistol as a last
> resort, at the last minute, resulting in the poor
> marksmanship. We simply DO NOT KNOW.
>
> All we do know.
>
> From the official press realease:
>
> "During the incident, two responding deputies gave
> the suspect several commands to drop the weapons.
> The female advanced on the two Loudoun County
> Sheriff’s Deputies and a deputy attempted to
> control the suspect using a county issued TASER.
> The TASER was deployed and was ineffective in
> stopping the threat. At that time multiple shots
> were fired by the second deputy."
What you don't get is that according to Warren v. District of Columbia, the police are under obligation to protect anyone. Further more the deputies showed NO CONCERN for public safety by drawing their guns and firing in a store full of people. The taser did not work, probably due to poor training. It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it did not work and these things are pretty much fool proof, I call this opperator error not product failure! The other point no one seems to want to address is the language issue. This was not a highly skilled job, you could train a monkey to do it. Did this woman understand what the deputies were telling her? Further more the "official" story has changed from "she lunged at deputies" to "she displayed a knife". Stories like this don't change unless there is gross misconduct.
Personally, I've delt with LCSO deputies and I've found them to be very unprofessional and this coming from someone who calls 2 North Carolina police officers close personal friends.
-------------------------------------------------------
> As long as everyone is purely speculating at what
> may have taken place. There is a possible
> scenario where they are doing just what you said.
> They enter the store and put themselves into a
> position between her and the masses still inside
> the store. They are preparing to evacuate the
> store. She moves toward the officers. They tell
> her to drop the weapon, try to taser her, and as a
> last resort one of the officers draws a pistol at
> the last minute discharging several rounds as
> he/she raises the weapon onto target. One bounces
> off the floor and hits another officer, one or two
> connect with the target stopping the aggressive
> action.
>
> The Deputies are under no obligation to retreat
> and there is a possibility there were still people
> in harms way had they done so. Nor are they
> obligated to allow some disturbed woman to hit
> them, even once, with a two foot long blade.
>
> Perhaps they had no intention of shooting the
> woman and the Deputy drew the pistol as a last
> resort, at the last minute, resulting in the poor
> marksmanship. We simply DO NOT KNOW.
>
> All we do know.
>
> From the official press realease:
>
> "During the incident, two responding deputies gave
> the suspect several commands to drop the weapons.
> The female advanced on the two Loudoun County
> Sheriff’s Deputies and a deputy attempted to
> control the suspect using a county issued TASER.
> The TASER was deployed and was ineffective in
> stopping the threat. At that time multiple shots
> were fired by the second deputy."
What you don't get is that according to Warren v. District of Columbia, the police are under obligation to protect anyone. Further more the deputies showed NO CONCERN for public safety by drawing their guns and firing in a store full of people. The taser did not work, probably due to poor training. It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it did not work and these things are pretty much fool proof, I call this opperator error not product failure! The other point no one seems to want to address is the language issue. This was not a highly skilled job, you could train a monkey to do it. Did this woman understand what the deputies were telling her? Further more the "official" story has changed from "she lunged at deputies" to "she displayed a knife". Stories like this don't change unless there is gross misconduct.
Personally, I've delt with LCSO deputies and I've found them to be very unprofessional and this coming from someone who calls 2 North Carolina police officers close personal friends.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
sooooooo avoidable
()
Date: June 17, 2013 06:21PM
In determining who in my department should go through CIT training, I had to ask myself what values are essential to becoming an effective CIT officer. The single most important skill is the ability to communicate.
There are those unfortunate officers who have not been given the training to communicate with the public in any situation – and would love to have it. There are also officers for whom it just comes natural to communicate easily with individuals. But, there are officers out there who not only do not know how to talk to people but, don’t want to learn how. Why? Some officers believe that hardnosed command-type vernacular is correct in all situations. After all, FBI studies have shown that an officer who lets his or her guard down and appears “weak” is more likely to get injured or killed.
But, do you know that this course of action can easily backfire when trying to deal with someone in mental crisis? A mentally ill person needs the calm, caring voice of someone who understands the illness, the medications, the “voices”, the support groups available, etc. The uniform can be very frightening to persons in mental crisis. Add to that scenario an officer commanding a person hearing voices to “stop and desist” and the outcome can turn out less than that desired by everyone present.
I am in no way telling officers to let down their guard. Officer safety comes first. It should always be on ones mind when dealing with this very unpredictable type of person. But, it may be a wise officer who can camouflage his/her “combat ready” status in such situations.
There are those unfortunate officers who have not been given the training to communicate with the public in any situation – and would love to have it. There are also officers for whom it just comes natural to communicate easily with individuals. But, there are officers out there who not only do not know how to talk to people but, don’t want to learn how. Why? Some officers believe that hardnosed command-type vernacular is correct in all situations. After all, FBI studies have shown that an officer who lets his or her guard down and appears “weak” is more likely to get injured or killed.
But, do you know that this course of action can easily backfire when trying to deal with someone in mental crisis? A mentally ill person needs the calm, caring voice of someone who understands the illness, the medications, the “voices”, the support groups available, etc. The uniform can be very frightening to persons in mental crisis. Add to that scenario an officer commanding a person hearing voices to “stop and desist” and the outcome can turn out less than that desired by everyone present.
I am in no way telling officers to let down their guard. Officer safety comes first. It should always be on ones mind when dealing with this very unpredictable type of person. But, it may be a wise officer who can camouflage his/her “combat ready” status in such situations.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 17, 2013 06:25PM
taxes are wasted Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If I lived in Loudoun I would be POed at these
> jokesters woring as cops.
>
> Next time it could be you that needs these bozos
> to come to your aid.
>
> Why should you pay BIG BUCKS for this level of
> incompetence.
>
> Heads should roll.
AMEN BROTHER!
I've delt with these deputies before, some are very good, most are idiots who have a gun, a badge and full athority do do as they please with no consequences at all.
-------------------------------------------------------
> If I lived in Loudoun I would be POed at these
> jokesters woring as cops.
>
> Next time it could be you that needs these bozos
> to come to your aid.
>
> Why should you pay BIG BUCKS for this level of
> incompetence.
>
> Heads should roll.
AMEN BROTHER!
I've delt with these deputies before, some are very good, most are idiots who have a gun, a badge and full athority do do as they please with no consequences at all.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 01:02AM
How many times you plan on posting under different names?
GEu6K Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Almost, when you say "back against the wall
> with
> > no way to escape" part. This sounds almost like
> > you suggest there is a duty to back away or run
> > away. This is not the sprit of VA law nor is it
> VA
> > law.
>
> BULLSHIT!
>
> It is their duty to back away and try to handle
> the situation with deadly force as a last option.
> The officers ambushed this woman who had the
> fucking PIZZA CUTTER and put themselves in an
> ignorant position. No one was in immediate danger
> and the officers had many many other options
> available. The "spirit" of ANY states police force
> is to PROTECT, even when someone is a danger to
> themselves.
Your a dumb ass and making shit up. Ambush? You witnessed this? No, then you have seen the video? No, then talked with the witnesses?
So lets see here
> The police fucked up from the beginning by:
> 1. ambushing the unstable woman
Totally made up
> 2. moving to a unneeded close proximity for no
> reason
Your opinion.
> 3. not recognizing that no innocent by-standers
> were in danger
Was any by-standers injured??? Your opinion and assumptions
> 4. not recognizing that a pizza-cutter, even if
> used by a fucking ninja, is not an immediate
> threat
Depends on the pizza cutter. You are making assumptions again. The pizza cutter I used when I worked at a pizza place was about 16 to 18 inch long knife that was sharp as shit. I highly doubt this was the kind she had but I have not seen any pictures of what she had, have you?
> 5. the woman needed TIME to realize what was
> happening, due to their over aggressive actions
Your opinion yet again - seems you have no facts yet.
> 6. the woman needed HELP JOB, not DEATH
opinion yet again but at least this is very close to the a fact.
> Plain and simple - this situation was handled very
> unprofessionally and the result was the death of
> an innocent woman.
YOUR OPINION AGAIN
GEu6K Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Almost, when you say "back against the wall
> with
> > no way to escape" part. This sounds almost like
> > you suggest there is a duty to back away or run
> > away. This is not the sprit of VA law nor is it
> VA
> > law.
>
> BULLSHIT!
>
> It is their duty to back away and try to handle
> the situation with deadly force as a last option.
> The officers ambushed this woman who had the
> fucking PIZZA CUTTER and put themselves in an
> ignorant position. No one was in immediate danger
> and the officers had many many other options
> available. The "spirit" of ANY states police force
> is to PROTECT, even when someone is a danger to
> themselves.
Your a dumb ass and making shit up. Ambush? You witnessed this? No, then you have seen the video? No, then talked with the witnesses?
So lets see here
> The police fucked up from the beginning by:
> 1. ambushing the unstable woman
Totally made up
> 2. moving to a unneeded close proximity for no
> reason
Your opinion.
> 3. not recognizing that no innocent by-standers
> were in danger
Was any by-standers injured??? Your opinion and assumptions
> 4. not recognizing that a pizza-cutter, even if
> used by a fucking ninja, is not an immediate
> threat
Depends on the pizza cutter. You are making assumptions again. The pizza cutter I used when I worked at a pizza place was about 16 to 18 inch long knife that was sharp as shit. I highly doubt this was the kind she had but I have not seen any pictures of what she had, have you?
> 5. the woman needed TIME to realize what was
> happening, due to their over aggressive actions
Your opinion yet again - seems you have no facts yet.
> 6. the woman needed HELP JOB, not DEATH
opinion yet again but at least this is very close to the a fact.
> Plain and simple - this situation was handled very
> unprofessionally and the result was the death of
> an innocent woman.
YOUR OPINION AGAIN
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 01:04AM
97mL7 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How does a person start a public group to demand
> that all the real details come out?
>
> Basically, a watch-dog group focused on this case
> solely.
>
> Maybe, calling the ACLU or some other group with
> $$ and power to get things done would be
> interested in making sure justice is carried out?
Use less. Call the ACLU all you want.
-------------------------------------------------------
> How does a person start a public group to demand
> that all the real details come out?
>
> Basically, a watch-dog group focused on this case
> solely.
>
> Maybe, calling the ACLU or some other group with
> $$ and power to get things done would be
> interested in making sure justice is carried out?
Use less. Call the ACLU all you want.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 01:08AM
legal advice to deceased family Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Here you go:
>
> DELIBERATE INDIFFERENCE
>
> Akron is only 15 miles north of Canton, Ohio where
> the term “deliberate indifference” was first
> used. Without getting into the details of the
> civil case, the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that
> inadequacy of police training may serve as a basis
> for municipal liability where failure to train
> amounts to deliberate indifference for the rights
> of persons with whom the police come into contact.
> Accordingly, the Court said that the City of
> Canton was negligent in failing to train their
> police officers in first aid on a regular basis
> because the probability of needing to use first
> aid in police work was so high.
>
>
> DI In Dealing With the Mentally Ill:
>
> As the person responsible for monitoring training
> issues for my department, a little over three
> years ago I realized through reading articles and
> talking to people in the mental health profession
> that roughly 10% of our customers were not only
> mentally ill but also in crisis. It was my opinion
> that our department lacked sufficient training in
> this area. At the same time, the State of Ohio
> Police Officer Training Council reduced the
> requirements to teach recruits how to deal with
> persons in mental crisis to 2 hours of training
> regarding handling the mentally ill and the
> mentally retarded. Providing equal time for both
> subjects, recruits receive one-hour of training to
> equip them to deal with about 10% of the problems
> they will encounter on the streets.
>
> With the help of our Alcohol, Drug, & Mental
> Health Board (ADM), I immersed myself in this
> subject with the idea of providing officers the
> absolute best comprehensive training in handling
> these potentially dangerous calls. The ADM Board
> asked me if I had heard of “The Memphis
> Model.” I had not. Can you imagine? I was the
> Director of Training of a fairly large,
> progressive police department and I knew nothing
> about the wonderful things that then-Lieutenant
> Sam Cochran had done to ensure that the Memphis
> Police Department would never be found liable for
> deliberate indifference.
Do you know what training the Loudoun cops get? I didn't think so. Good luck with this in Virginia. Oh wait, you are going to try this in federal court? Good luck with that one also.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Here you go:
>
> DELIBERATE INDIFFERENCE
>
> Akron is only 15 miles north of Canton, Ohio where
> the term “deliberate indifference” was first
> used. Without getting into the details of the
> civil case, the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that
> inadequacy of police training may serve as a basis
> for municipal liability where failure to train
> amounts to deliberate indifference for the rights
> of persons with whom the police come into contact.
> Accordingly, the Court said that the City of
> Canton was negligent in failing to train their
> police officers in first aid on a regular basis
> because the probability of needing to use first
> aid in police work was so high.
>
>
> DI In Dealing With the Mentally Ill:
>
> As the person responsible for monitoring training
> issues for my department, a little over three
> years ago I realized through reading articles and
> talking to people in the mental health profession
> that roughly 10% of our customers were not only
> mentally ill but also in crisis. It was my opinion
> that our department lacked sufficient training in
> this area. At the same time, the State of Ohio
> Police Officer Training Council reduced the
> requirements to teach recruits how to deal with
> persons in mental crisis to 2 hours of training
> regarding handling the mentally ill and the
> mentally retarded. Providing equal time for both
> subjects, recruits receive one-hour of training to
> equip them to deal with about 10% of the problems
> they will encounter on the streets.
>
> With the help of our Alcohol, Drug, & Mental
> Health Board (ADM), I immersed myself in this
> subject with the idea of providing officers the
> absolute best comprehensive training in handling
> these potentially dangerous calls. The ADM Board
> asked me if I had heard of “The Memphis
> Model.” I had not. Can you imagine? I was the
> Director of Training of a fairly large,
> progressive police department and I knew nothing
> about the wonderful things that then-Lieutenant
> Sam Cochran had done to ensure that the Memphis
> Police Department would never be found liable for
> deliberate indifference.
Do you know what training the Loudoun cops get? I didn't think so. Good luck with this in Virginia. Oh wait, you are going to try this in federal court? Good luck with that one also.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 01:25AM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What you don't get is that according to Warren v.
> District of Columbia, the police are under
> obligation to protect anyone. Further more the
> deputies showed NO CONCERN for public safety by
> drawing their guns and firing in a store full of
> people.
This argument is going no where. No by standers were hurt. Have not even seen a single person on TV or in the paper yet that was even close enough to witness the shooting. If you have, please post link to what you have.
>The taser did not work, probably due to
> poor training.
This is based upon what? Another opinion?
>It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it did not work and these things are
> pretty much fool proof, I call this operator error not product failure!
I would like to know where you have received your training on using a taser? Tasers are not "fool proof". They can be "ineffective" for several reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you know to be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not said what the "failure" was with the taser.
> The other point no one
> seems to want to address is the language issue.
> This was not a highly skilled job, you could train
> a monkey to do it. Did this woman understand what
> the deputies were telling her?
Who ever said she had a language problem? I have yet to see a single Costco sample person who did not speak passable English.
> Further more the "official" story has changed from "she lunged at
> deputies" to "she displayed a knife". Stories like
> this don't change unless there is gross
> misconduct.
Are you talking about the "official story" the cop was telling at the press conference that was on the news that night? That guy was just a talking month piece. It is not uncommon for the facts or details to be mixed up or just flat out wrong by the time the information the "mouth piece" is allowed to provide to the news. The mouth piece gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even 5th hand.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2013 12:51PM by Mr GFR.
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> What you don't get is that according to Warren v.
> District of Columbia, the police are under
> obligation to protect anyone. Further more the
> deputies showed NO CONCERN for public safety by
> drawing their guns and firing in a store full of
> people.
This argument is going no where. No by standers were hurt. Have not even seen a single person on TV or in the paper yet that was even close enough to witness the shooting. If you have, please post link to what you have.
>The taser did not work, probably due to
> poor training.
This is based upon what? Another opinion?
>It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it did not work and these things are
> pretty much fool proof, I call this operator error not product failure!
I would like to know where you have received your training on using a taser? Tasers are not "fool proof". They can be "ineffective" for several reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you know to be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not said what the "failure" was with the taser.
> The other point no one
> seems to want to address is the language issue.
> This was not a highly skilled job, you could train
> a monkey to do it. Did this woman understand what
> the deputies were telling her?
Who ever said she had a language problem? I have yet to see a single Costco sample person who did not speak passable English.
> Further more the "official" story has changed from "she lunged at
> deputies" to "she displayed a knife". Stories like
> this don't change unless there is gross
> misconduct.
Are you talking about the "official story" the cop was telling at the press conference that was on the news that night? That guy was just a talking month piece. It is not uncommon for the facts or details to be mixed up or just flat out wrong by the time the information the "mouth piece" is allowed to provide to the news. The mouth piece gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even 5th hand.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2013 12:51PM by Mr GFR.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 01:32AM
I have a great idea. Since some of you guys know what these cops should have done or how you could have done it so much better, then go pick up an application and join the Loudoun police. Come on, what are you afraid of? You already know the job. You could be patrolling the streets by next week since you already know everything.
NO, I didn't think so. Its safer for you just to sit back and bitch.
NO, I didn't think so. Its safer for you just to sit back and bitch.
obviously missing the big picture here
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 18, 2013 06:32AM
VEnjH Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> if it was a relative of yours and the police were
> called because your brother walked out in the
> street with a knife AND the police came. pulled
> up, WALKED DIRECTLY AT HIM and said "drop it",
> your brother does not and they put 5 bullets into
> him - all in a span of 5 minutes.......you ALL
> would be suing the shit out of that police
> departrment
most of us normal ppl would be wondering why the FUCK a relative of ours would be HOLDING A KNIFE!!!!! o_0
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> if it was a relative of yours and the police were
> called because your brother walked out in the
> street with a knife AND the police came. pulled
> up, WALKED DIRECTLY AT HIM and said "drop it",
> your brother does not and they put 5 bullets into
> him - all in a span of 5 minutes.......you ALL
> would be suing the shit out of that police
> departrment
most of us normal ppl would be wondering why the FUCK a relative of ours would be HOLDING A KNIFE!!!!! o_0
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 18, 2013 06:33AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I have a great idea. Since some of you guys know
> what these cops should have done or how you could
> have done it so much better, then go pick up an
> application and join the Loudoun police. Come on,
> what are you afraid of? You already know the job.
> You could be patrolling the streets by next week
> since you already know everything.
>
> NO, I didn't think so. Its safer for you just to
> sit back and bitch.
pretty sure most of them wouldnt be able to pass the psych eval LoLz
-------------------------------------------------------
> I have a great idea. Since some of you guys know
> what these cops should have done or how you could
> have done it so much better, then go pick up an
> application and join the Loudoun police. Come on,
> what are you afraid of? You already know the job.
> You could be patrolling the streets by next week
> since you already know everything.
>
> NO, I didn't think so. Its safer for you just to
> sit back and bitch.
pretty sure most of them wouldnt be able to pass the psych eval LoLz
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 18, 2013 04:41PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What you don't get is that according to Warren
> v.
> > District of Columbia, the police are under
> > obligation to protect anyone. Further more the
> > deputies showed NO CONCERN for public safety by
> > drawing their guns and firing in a store full
> of
> > people.
>
> This argument is going no where. No by standers
> were hurt. Have not even seen a single person on
> TV or in the paper yet that was even close enough
> to witness the shooting. If you have, please post
> link to what you have.
>
> >The taser did not work, probably due to
> > poor training.
>
> This is based upon what? Another opinion?
>
> >It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it did
> not work and these things are
> > pretty much fool proof, I call this operator
> error not product failure!
>
> I would like to know where you have received your
> training on using a taser? Tasers are not "fool
> proof". They can be "ineffective" for several
> reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you know to
> be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not said
> what the "failure" was with the taser.
>
> > The other point no one
> > seems to want to address is the language issue.
> > This was not a highly skilled job, you could
> train
> > a monkey to do it. Did this woman understand
> what
> > the deputies were telling her?
>
> Who ever said she had a language problem? I have
> yet to see a single Costco sample person who did
> not speak passable English.
>
> > Further more the "official" story has changed
> from "she lunged at
> > deputies" to "she displayed a knife". Stories
> like
> > this don't change unless there is gross
> > misconduct.
>
> Are you talking about the "official story" the cop
> was telling at the press conference that was on
> the news that night? That guy was just a talking
> month piece. It is not uncommon for the facts or
> details to be mixed up or just flat out wrong by
> the time the information the "mouth piece" is
> allowed to provide to the news. The mouth piece
> gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even 5th
> hand.
Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case against LCSO for their highly unprofessional behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES BILL OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause or warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they dented it, they entered into my yard (through a locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment) and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat violation on my constitutional rights. I have video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman, head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded to youtube very soon. See attached photos.
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What you don't get is that according to Warren
> v.
> > District of Columbia, the police are under
> > obligation to protect anyone. Further more the
> > deputies showed NO CONCERN for public safety by
> > drawing their guns and firing in a store full
> of
> > people.
>
> This argument is going no where. No by standers
> were hurt. Have not even seen a single person on
> TV or in the paper yet that was even close enough
> to witness the shooting. If you have, please post
> link to what you have.
>
> >The taser did not work, probably due to
> > poor training.
>
> This is based upon what? Another opinion?
>
> >It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it did
> not work and these things are
> > pretty much fool proof, I call this operator
> error not product failure!
>
> I would like to know where you have received your
> training on using a taser? Tasers are not "fool
> proof". They can be "ineffective" for several
> reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you know to
> be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not said
> what the "failure" was with the taser.
>
> > The other point no one
> > seems to want to address is the language issue.
> > This was not a highly skilled job, you could
> train
> > a monkey to do it. Did this woman understand
> what
> > the deputies were telling her?
>
> Who ever said she had a language problem? I have
> yet to see a single Costco sample person who did
> not speak passable English.
>
> > Further more the "official" story has changed
> from "she lunged at
> > deputies" to "she displayed a knife". Stories
> like
> > this don't change unless there is gross
> > misconduct.
>
> Are you talking about the "official story" the cop
> was telling at the press conference that was on
> the news that night? That guy was just a talking
> month piece. It is not uncommon for the facts or
> details to be mixed up or just flat out wrong by
> the time the information the "mouth piece" is
> allowed to provide to the news. The mouth piece
> gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even 5th
> hand.
Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case against LCSO for their highly unprofessional behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES BILL OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause or warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they dented it, they entered into my yard (through a locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment) and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat violation on my constitutional rights. I have video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman, head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded to youtube very soon. See attached photos.
Attachments:
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Jaco
()
Date: June 18, 2013 04:47PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have a great idea. Since some of you guys
> know
> > what these cops should have done or how you
> could
> > have done it so much better, then go pick up an
> > application and join the Loudoun police. Come
> on,
> > what are you afraid of? You already know the
> job.
> > You could be patrolling the streets by next
> week
> > since you already know everything.
> >
> > NO, I didn't think so. Its safer for you just
> to
> > sit back and bitch.
>
>
> pretty sure most of them wouldnt be able to pass
> the psych eval LoLz
Amen
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have a great idea. Since some of you guys
> know
> > what these cops should have done or how you
> could
> > have done it so much better, then go pick up an
> > application and join the Loudoun police. Come
> on,
> > what are you afraid of? You already know the
> job.
> > You could be patrolling the streets by next
> week
> > since you already know everything.
> >
> > NO, I didn't think so. Its safer for you just
> to
> > sit back and bitch.
>
>
> pretty sure most of them wouldnt be able to pass
> the psych eval LoLz
Amen
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
few are chosen
()
Date: June 18, 2013 04:47PM
Gordon Blvd Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have a great idea. Since some of you guys
> know
> > what these cops should have done or how you
> could
> > have done it so much better, then go pick up an
> > application and join the Loudoun police. Come
> on,
> > what are you afraid of? You already know the
> job.
> > You could be patrolling the streets by next
> week
> > since you already know everything.
> >
> > NO, I didn't think so. Its safer for you just
> to
> > sit back and bitch.
>
>
> pretty sure most of them wouldnt be able to pass
> the psych eval LoLz
Pretty sure their mothers could not get them out of the basement to take the test
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have a great idea. Since some of you guys
> know
> > what these cops should have done or how you
> could
> > have done it so much better, then go pick up an
> > application and join the Loudoun police. Come
> on,
> > what are you afraid of? You already know the
> job.
> > You could be patrolling the streets by next
> week
> > since you already know everything.
> >
> > NO, I didn't think so. Its safer for you just
> to
> > sit back and bitch.
>
>
> pretty sure most of them wouldnt be able to pass
> the psych eval LoLz
Pretty sure their mothers could not get them out of the basement to take the test
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Bybgbgg
()
Date: June 18, 2013 05:01PM
t7TjY Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Resorting to talking about TV crime dramas and
> video games is YOU projecting.
>
> I would be embarrassed being caught looking like
> the fool, as you just have been.
Projecting would be if my perspective came from TV and video games. It does not.
And once again you resort to name calling. A true sign of a weak mind.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Resorting to talking about TV crime dramas and
> video games is YOU projecting.
>
> I would be embarrassed being caught looking like
> the fool, as you just have been.
Projecting would be if my perspective came from TV and video games. It does not.
And once again you resort to name calling. A true sign of a weak mind.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 05:10PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > What you don't get is that according to
> Warren
> > v.
> > > District of Columbia, the police are under
> > > obligation to protect anyone. Further more
> the
> > > deputies showed NO CONCERN for public safety
> by
> > > drawing their guns and firing in a store full
> > of
> > > people.
> >
> > This argument is going no where. No by standers
> > were hurt. Have not even seen a single person
> on
> > TV or in the paper yet that was even close
> enough
> > to witness the shooting. If you have, please
> post
> > link to what you have.
> >
> > >The taser did not work, probably due to
> > > poor training.
> >
> > This is based upon what? Another opinion?
> >
> > >It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it
> did
> > not work and these things are
> > > pretty much fool proof, I call this operator
> > error not product failure!
> >
> > I would like to know where you have received
> your
> > training on using a taser? Tasers are not "fool
> > proof". They can be "ineffective" for several
> > reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you know
> to
> > be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not said
> > what the "failure" was with the taser.
> >
> > > The other point no one
> > > seems to want to address is the language
> issue.
> > > This was not a highly skilled job, you could
> > train
> > > a monkey to do it. Did this woman understand
> > what
> > > the deputies were telling her?
> >
> > Who ever said she had a language problem? I
> have
> > yet to see a single Costco sample person who
> did
> > not speak passable English.
> >
> > > Further more the "official" story has changed
> > from "she lunged at
> > > deputies" to "she displayed a knife". Stories
> > like
> > > this don't change unless there is gross
> > > misconduct.
> >
> > Are you talking about the "official story" the
> cop
> > was telling at the press conference that was on
> > the news that night? That guy was just a
> talking
> > month piece. It is not uncommon for the facts
> or
> > details to be mixed up or just flat out wrong
> by
> > the time the information the "mouth piece" is
> > allowed to provide to the news. The mouth piece
> > gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even 5th
> > hand.
>
> Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case
> against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES BILL
> OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause or
> warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they
> dented it, they entered into my yard (through a
> locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment)
> and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman,
> head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded to
> youtube very soon. See attached photos.
Very sad story for you. I'm wiping the tears from my eyes as I type this. But what does your issues have to do with this shooting? Are there some bad cops in Loudoun, sure there are. There are some bad cops in every police department. Are the cops involved in this shooting the same cops you had an issue with?
And please let us know when you post your video on you tube, we all could use a good laugh.
Oh, and why did the cops come looking for you or your wife? What is the rest of the story you are not telling us about?
But its OK. its clear that your personal issues are clouding what you think here. Your just mad because I pointed out you have no idea what you are talking about in your previous post. Its all good.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2013 05:14PM by Mr GFR.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > What you don't get is that according to
> Warren
> > v.
> > > District of Columbia, the police are under
> > > obligation to protect anyone. Further more
> the
> > > deputies showed NO CONCERN for public safety
> by
> > > drawing their guns and firing in a store full
> > of
> > > people.
> >
> > This argument is going no where. No by standers
> > were hurt. Have not even seen a single person
> on
> > TV or in the paper yet that was even close
> enough
> > to witness the shooting. If you have, please
> post
> > link to what you have.
> >
> > >The taser did not work, probably due to
> > > poor training.
> >
> > This is based upon what? Another opinion?
> >
> > >It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it
> did
> > not work and these things are
> > > pretty much fool proof, I call this operator
> > error not product failure!
> >
> > I would like to know where you have received
> your
> > training on using a taser? Tasers are not "fool
> > proof". They can be "ineffective" for several
> > reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you know
> to
> > be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not said
> > what the "failure" was with the taser.
> >
> > > The other point no one
> > > seems to want to address is the language
> issue.
> > > This was not a highly skilled job, you could
> > train
> > > a monkey to do it. Did this woman understand
> > what
> > > the deputies were telling her?
> >
> > Who ever said she had a language problem? I
> have
> > yet to see a single Costco sample person who
> did
> > not speak passable English.
> >
> > > Further more the "official" story has changed
> > from "she lunged at
> > > deputies" to "she displayed a knife". Stories
> > like
> > > this don't change unless there is gross
> > > misconduct.
> >
> > Are you talking about the "official story" the
> cop
> > was telling at the press conference that was on
> > the news that night? That guy was just a
> talking
> > month piece. It is not uncommon for the facts
> or
> > details to be mixed up or just flat out wrong
> by
> > the time the information the "mouth piece" is
> > allowed to provide to the news. The mouth piece
> > gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even 5th
> > hand.
>
> Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case
> against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES BILL
> OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause or
> warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they
> dented it, they entered into my yard (through a
> locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment)
> and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman,
> head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded to
> youtube very soon. See attached photos.
Very sad story for you. I'm wiping the tears from my eyes as I type this. But what does your issues have to do with this shooting? Are there some bad cops in Loudoun, sure there are. There are some bad cops in every police department. Are the cops involved in this shooting the same cops you had an issue with?
And please let us know when you post your video on you tube, we all could use a good laugh.
Oh, and why did the cops come looking for you or your wife? What is the rest of the story you are not telling us about?
But its OK. its clear that your personal issues are clouding what you think here. Your just mad because I pointed out you have no idea what you are talking about in your previous post. Its all good.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2013 05:14PM by Mr GFR.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 05:24PM
And Ruskull...just wondering since you wanted to bring your personal problems into this. Your pending suit, how long has it been going on? Is it pending in Federal court or State?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
get a life
()
Date: June 18, 2013 05:40PM
GFR-
Your are either a cop or an ex-cop with WAY too much time on your hands by the hundreds of posts you leave daily.
Let me guess, you stubbed your little toe and are on disabilty?
The taxpayers are paying your lazy ass so you can call everyone stupid on FU all day long?
You si,r are a LOSER.
Your are either a cop or an ex-cop with WAY too much time on your hands by the hundreds of posts you leave daily.
Let me guess, you stubbed your little toe and are on disabilty?
The taxpayers are paying your lazy ass so you can call everyone stupid on FU all day long?
You si,r are a LOSER.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 05:56PM
get a life Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GFR-
>
> Your are either a cop or an ex-cop with WAY too
> much time on your hands by the hundreds of posts
> you leave daily.
>
> Let me guess, you stubbed your little toe and are
> on disabilty?
>
> The taxpayers are paying your lazy ass so you can
> call everyone stupid on FU all day long?
>
> You si,r are a LOSER.
Hundreds of posts daily? That's funny.
So the best you can bring is to call somebody a loser?
So disappointed. You could have at least called me a fucking loser at least.
-------------------------------------------------------
> GFR-
>
> Your are either a cop or an ex-cop with WAY too
> much time on your hands by the hundreds of posts
> you leave daily.
>
> Let me guess, you stubbed your little toe and are
> on disabilty?
>
> The taxpayers are paying your lazy ass so you can
> call everyone stupid on FU all day long?
>
> You si,r are a LOSER.
Hundreds of posts daily? That's funny.
So the best you can bring is to call somebody a loser?
So disappointed. You could have at least called me a fucking loser at least.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Monk
()
Date: June 18, 2013 05:56PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case
> against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES BILL
> OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause or
> warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they
> dented it, they entered into my yard (through a
> locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment)
> and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman,
> head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded to
> youtube very soon. See attached photos.
OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife about at 1:15am in the morning?
Attachments:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case
> against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES BILL
> OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause or
> warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they
> dented it, they entered into my yard (through a
> locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment)
> and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman,
> head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded to
> youtube very soon. See attached photos.
OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife about at 1:15am in the morning?
Attachments:
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 18, 2013 06:49PM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mr GFR Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > What you don't get is that according to
> > Warren
> > > v.
> > > > District of Columbia, the police are under
> > > > obligation to protect anyone. Further more
> > the
> > > > deputies showed NO CONCERN for public
> safety
> > by
> > > > drawing their guns and firing in a store
> full
> > > of
> > > > people.
> > >
> > > This argument is going no where. No by
> standers
> > > were hurt. Have not even seen a single person
> > on
> > > TV or in the paper yet that was even close
> > enough
> > > to witness the shooting. If you have, please
> > post
> > > link to what you have.
> > >
> > > >The taser did not work, probably due to
> > > > poor training.
> > >
> > > This is based upon what? Another opinion?
> > >
> > > >It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it
> > did
> > > not work and these things are
> > > > pretty much fool proof, I call this
> operator
> > > error not product failure!
> > >
> > > I would like to know where you have received
> > your
> > > training on using a taser? Tasers are not
> "fool
> > > proof". They can be "ineffective" for several
> > > reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you
> know
> > to
> > > be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not
> said
> > > what the "failure" was with the taser.
> > >
> > > > The other point no one
> > > > seems to want to address is the language
> > issue.
> > > > This was not a highly skilled job, you
> could
> > > train
> > > > a monkey to do it. Did this woman
> understand
> > > what
> > > > the deputies were telling her?
> > >
> > > Who ever said she had a language problem? I
> > have
> > > yet to see a single Costco sample person who
> > did
> > > not speak passable English.
> > >
> > > > Further more the "official" story has
> changed
> > > from "she lunged at
> > > > deputies" to "she displayed a knife".
> Stories
> > > like
> > > > this don't change unless there is gross
> > > > misconduct.
> > >
> > > Are you talking about the "official story"
> the
> > cop
> > > was telling at the press conference that was
> on
> > > the news that night? That guy was just a
> > talking
> > > month piece. It is not uncommon for the facts
> > or
> > > details to be mixed up or just flat out wrong
> > by
> > > the time the information the "mouth piece" is
> > > allowed to provide to the news. The mouth
> piece
> > > gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even
> 5th
> > > hand.
> >
> > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case
> > against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> BILL
> > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause
> or
> > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they
> > dented it, they entered into my yard (through a
> > locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment)
> > and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> > violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> > video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman,
> > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded
> to
> > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
>
>
> Very sad story for you. I'm wiping the tears from
> my eyes as I type this. But what does your issues
> have to do with this shooting? Are there some bad
> cops in Loudoun, sure there are. There are some
> bad cops in every police department. Are the cops
> involved in this shooting the same cops you had an
> issue with?
>
> And please let us know when you post your video on
> you tube, we all could use a good laugh.
>
> Oh, and why did the cops come looking for you or
> your wife? What is the rest of the story you are
> not telling us about?
>
> But its OK. its clear that your personal issues
> are clouding what you think here. Your just mad
> because I pointed out you have no idea what you
> are talking about in your previous post. Its all
> good.
The cops repeatedly state in my videos they want to "talk" to my wife, they could have waited till the next day. Thay came at us with such force, anger and beligerance that my wife, my 13 year old and my neighbors were scared to death. Look at the photos, there are foot prints on my door from where they attemped to force their way in, they did not have "reasonable cause" (this FACT was confirmed by Det. Wekenman of LCSO IAD) nor did they have a warrant. I not only had the video camera rolling, I also had my Sig loaded with Black Tallons, ready to stop anyone comming through my door illegaly. Why are you taking up for these scum bags? THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE THE UNITED STATES! Why would anyone take-up for someone who does not respect the US Constitutiuon unless you are a total communist scum-bag! I bet you voted for Obama!
Further more do you live in Loudoun? I doubt it. The deputies here ARE poorly trained. I count Sgt. Chad Calloway, Corpral Gaston Lopez (Goldsboro, NC) and Corpral Joe Kirby (Alex. VA) as close personal friends, I've had convesations with them about my encounters with LCSO and they have said they are embarrised to hear about the behavior of LCSO deputies.
You won't get a laugh when I post my videos to youtube, YOU'LL SHUT YOUR MOUTH, TUCK YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS AND STOP TAKING UP FOR COPS WHO ARE OUT OF CONTROL, CLEARLY DO NOT RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION AND OPPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shut your pie hole.
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mr GFR Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > What you don't get is that according to
> > Warren
> > > v.
> > > > District of Columbia, the police are under
> > > > obligation to protect anyone. Further more
> > the
> > > > deputies showed NO CONCERN for public
> safety
> > by
> > > > drawing their guns and firing in a store
> full
> > > of
> > > > people.
> > >
> > > This argument is going no where. No by
> standers
> > > were hurt. Have not even seen a single person
> > on
> > > TV or in the paper yet that was even close
> > enough
> > > to witness the shooting. If you have, please
> > post
> > > link to what you have.
> > >
> > > >The taser did not work, probably due to
> > > > poor training.
> > >
> > > This is based upon what? Another opinion?
> > >
> > > >It wasn't that the taser was ineffective, it
> > did
> > > not work and these things are
> > > > pretty much fool proof, I call this
> operator
> > > error not product failure!
> > >
> > > I would like to know where you have received
> > your
> > > training on using a taser? Tasers are not
> "fool
> > > proof". They can be "ineffective" for several
> > > reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you
> know
> > to
> > > be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not
> said
> > > what the "failure" was with the taser.
> > >
> > > > The other point no one
> > > > seems to want to address is the language
> > issue.
> > > > This was not a highly skilled job, you
> could
> > > train
> > > > a monkey to do it. Did this woman
> understand
> > > what
> > > > the deputies were telling her?
> > >
> > > Who ever said she had a language problem? I
> > have
> > > yet to see a single Costco sample person who
> > did
> > > not speak passable English.
> > >
> > > > Further more the "official" story has
> changed
> > > from "she lunged at
> > > > deputies" to "she displayed a knife".
> Stories
> > > like
> > > > this don't change unless there is gross
> > > > misconduct.
> > >
> > > Are you talking about the "official story"
> the
> > cop
> > > was telling at the press conference that was
> on
> > > the news that night? That guy was just a
> > talking
> > > month piece. It is not uncommon for the facts
> > or
> > > details to be mixed up or just flat out wrong
> > by
> > > the time the information the "mouth piece" is
> > > allowed to provide to the news. The mouth
> piece
> > > gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even
> 5th
> > > hand.
> >
> > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case
> > against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> BILL
> > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause
> or
> > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they
> > dented it, they entered into my yard (through a
> > locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment)
> > and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> > violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> > video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman,
> > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded
> to
> > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
>
>
> Very sad story for you. I'm wiping the tears from
> my eyes as I type this. But what does your issues
> have to do with this shooting? Are there some bad
> cops in Loudoun, sure there are. There are some
> bad cops in every police department. Are the cops
> involved in this shooting the same cops you had an
> issue with?
>
> And please let us know when you post your video on
> you tube, we all could use a good laugh.
>
> Oh, and why did the cops come looking for you or
> your wife? What is the rest of the story you are
> not telling us about?
>
> But its OK. its clear that your personal issues
> are clouding what you think here. Your just mad
> because I pointed out you have no idea what you
> are talking about in your previous post. Its all
> good.
The cops repeatedly state in my videos they want to "talk" to my wife, they could have waited till the next day. Thay came at us with such force, anger and beligerance that my wife, my 13 year old and my neighbors were scared to death. Look at the photos, there are foot prints on my door from where they attemped to force their way in, they did not have "reasonable cause" (this FACT was confirmed by Det. Wekenman of LCSO IAD) nor did they have a warrant. I not only had the video camera rolling, I also had my Sig loaded with Black Tallons, ready to stop anyone comming through my door illegaly. Why are you taking up for these scum bags? THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE THE UNITED STATES! Why would anyone take-up for someone who does not respect the US Constitutiuon unless you are a total communist scum-bag! I bet you voted for Obama!
Further more do you live in Loudoun? I doubt it. The deputies here ARE poorly trained. I count Sgt. Chad Calloway, Corpral Gaston Lopez (Goldsboro, NC) and Corpral Joe Kirby (Alex. VA) as close personal friends, I've had convesations with them about my encounters with LCSO and they have said they are embarrised to hear about the behavior of LCSO deputies.
You won't get a laugh when I post my videos to youtube, YOU'LL SHUT YOUR MOUTH, TUCK YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS AND STOP TAKING UP FOR COPS WHO ARE OUT OF CONTROL, CLEARLY DO NOT RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION AND OPPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shut your pie hole.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Gordon Blvd
()
Date: June 18, 2013 07:00PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The cops repeatedly state in my videos they want
> to "talk" to my wife, they could have waited till
> the next day. Thay came at us with such force,
> anger and beligerance that my wife, my 13 year old
> and my neighbors were scared to death. Look at the
> photos, there are foot prints on my door from
> where they attemped to force their way in, they
> did not have "reasonable cause" (this FACT was
> confirmed by Det. Wekenman of LCSO IAD) nor did
> they have a warrant. I not only had the video
> camera rolling, I also had my Sig loaded with
> Black Tallons, ready to stop anyone comming
> through my door illegaly. Why are you taking up
> for these scum bags? THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION OF THE THE UNITED STATES! Why would
> anyone take-up for someone who does not respect
> the US Constitutiuon unless you are a total
> communist scum-bag! I bet you voted for Obama!
>
> Further more do you live in Loudoun? I doubt it.
> The deputies here ARE poorly trained. I count Sgt.
> Chad Calloway, Corpral Gaston Lopez (Goldsboro,
> NC) and Corpral Joe Kirby (Alex. VA) as close
> personal friends, I've had convesations with them
> about my encounters with LCSO and they have said
> they are embarrised to hear about the behavior of
> LCSO deputies.
>
You won't get a laugh when I post my videos to
> youtube, YOU'LL SHUT YOUR MOUTH, TUCK YOUR TAIL
> BETWEEN YOUR LEGS AND STOP TAKING UP FOR COPS WHO
> ARE OUT OF CONTROL, CLEARLY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION AND OPPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE
> LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Shut your pie hole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9QL9o-DKnk
-------------------------------------------------------
> The cops repeatedly state in my videos they want
> to "talk" to my wife, they could have waited till
> the next day. Thay came at us with such force,
> anger and beligerance that my wife, my 13 year old
> and my neighbors were scared to death. Look at the
> photos, there are foot prints on my door from
> where they attemped to force their way in, they
> did not have "reasonable cause" (this FACT was
> confirmed by Det. Wekenman of LCSO IAD) nor did
> they have a warrant. I not only had the video
> camera rolling, I also had my Sig loaded with
> Black Tallons, ready to stop anyone comming
> through my door illegaly. Why are you taking up
> for these scum bags? THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION OF THE THE UNITED STATES! Why would
> anyone take-up for someone who does not respect
> the US Constitutiuon unless you are a total
> communist scum-bag! I bet you voted for Obama!
>
> Further more do you live in Loudoun? I doubt it.
> The deputies here ARE poorly trained. I count Sgt.
> Chad Calloway, Corpral Gaston Lopez (Goldsboro,
> NC) and Corpral Joe Kirby (Alex. VA) as close
> personal friends, I've had convesations with them
> about my encounters with LCSO and they have said
> they are embarrised to hear about the behavior of
> LCSO deputies.
>
You won't get a laugh when I post my videos to
> youtube, YOU'LL SHUT YOUR MOUTH, TUCK YOUR TAIL
> BETWEEN YOUR LEGS AND STOP TAKING UP FOR COPS WHO
> ARE OUT OF CONTROL, CLEARLY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION AND OPPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE
> LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Shut your pie hole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9QL9o-DKnk
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
thats a doozey
()
Date: June 18, 2013 09:34PM
Thanks for posting that video, I had trouble falling asleep but just got up from a nice nap. I cant wait for the Loudon County video, Im sure it will be just as exciting
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 10:33PM
Raskull....go back and read what I posted. I never said what happened at your house was right or wrong. I even said there are some bad cops everywhere and in every department.
BUT...whatever happened at your house has nothing to do with the shooting at Costco. And I am not sticking up for them, I am just not sending them off to the electric chair either. What I have said all along is that most of the posts here are from people that have no idea what they are talking about and did not see a gosh darn thing. If pointing out bullshit posted by others is sticking up for somebody then I guess I am guilty of sticking up for them after all. I like facts and then make my own opinion upon facts. There are very few facts in this thread to what happened. Lots of opinions from people who were not even there.
You are a perfect example. You have issues with the Loudoun Police because you have had issues with some of them in the past. You have no more facts then what the news posted but yet you think these officers did something wrong. Yet you have no facts to back this up. You are just basing it upon your own opinions.
I said way back on page three that maybe they did screw up. But maybe they didn't. I have trust in the system. Some times the system does not work but most of the time it does. And people may not always agree with the systems out come but then again that's their opinion.
BUT...whatever happened at your house has nothing to do with the shooting at Costco. And I am not sticking up for them, I am just not sending them off to the electric chair either. What I have said all along is that most of the posts here are from people that have no idea what they are talking about and did not see a gosh darn thing. If pointing out bullshit posted by others is sticking up for somebody then I guess I am guilty of sticking up for them after all. I like facts and then make my own opinion upon facts. There are very few facts in this thread to what happened. Lots of opinions from people who were not even there.
You are a perfect example. You have issues with the Loudoun Police because you have had issues with some of them in the past. You have no more facts then what the news posted but yet you think these officers did something wrong. Yet you have no facts to back this up. You are just basing it upon your own opinions.
I said way back on page three that maybe they did screw up. But maybe they didn't. I have trust in the system. Some times the system does not work but most of the time it does. And people may not always agree with the systems out come but then again that's their opinion.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 18, 2013 10:53PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> The cops repeatedly state in my videos they want
> to "talk" to my wife, they could have waited till
> the next day.
You still haven't said why the police were at your house wanting to talk to you at 1:15.
> they did not have "reasonable cause" (this FACT was
> confirmed by Det. Wekenman of LCSO IAD)
What the hell is "reasonable cause"?
> I also had my Sig loaded with Black Tallons
Dude..buy some new ammo. Black Tallons were big and scary in the early 90's but bullet design has come so much further since the 90's.
>THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION OF THE THE UNITED STATES! Why would
> anyone take-up for someone who does not respect
> the US Constitutiuon unless you are a total
> communist scum-bag! I bet you voted for Obama!
I actually do like the constitution. I have spent years reading about it and studying it. I know enough even that what you speak of is not in the constitution. Its in the Bill of Rights.
> You won't get a laugh when I post my videos to
> youtube, YOU'LL SHUT YOUR MOUTH.
I am going to laugh my ass off if I ever see your video. I laugh my ass off at stupid police videos all the time along with other stupid videos. Why, because they are funny. Stupid cops mixed with stupid people make some of the funniest videos.
> CLEARLY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION AND OPPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE
> LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are so right. I operate way outside the law. I was speeding today down the Fairfax county parkway. I may have even been following to close to slow ass drivers in the left lane and cutting them off when I went around them. I may have even flipped off some ass hole dump truck driver for driving so fucking slow.
And to bring Obama into this? You must be really running out of material. I guess you can just go back to telling me to fuck off and calling me names.
You mad yet?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> The cops repeatedly state in my videos they want
> to "talk" to my wife, they could have waited till
> the next day.
You still haven't said why the police were at your house wanting to talk to you at 1:15.
> they did not have "reasonable cause" (this FACT was
> confirmed by Det. Wekenman of LCSO IAD)
What the hell is "reasonable cause"?
> I also had my Sig loaded with Black Tallons
Dude..buy some new ammo. Black Tallons were big and scary in the early 90's but bullet design has come so much further since the 90's.
>THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION OF THE THE UNITED STATES! Why would
> anyone take-up for someone who does not respect
> the US Constitutiuon unless you are a total
> communist scum-bag! I bet you voted for Obama!
I actually do like the constitution. I have spent years reading about it and studying it. I know enough even that what you speak of is not in the constitution. Its in the Bill of Rights.
> You won't get a laugh when I post my videos to
> youtube, YOU'LL SHUT YOUR MOUTH.
I am going to laugh my ass off if I ever see your video. I laugh my ass off at stupid police videos all the time along with other stupid videos. Why, because they are funny. Stupid cops mixed with stupid people make some of the funniest videos.
> CLEARLY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION AND OPPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE
> LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are so right. I operate way outside the law. I was speeding today down the Fairfax county parkway. I may have even been following to close to slow ass drivers in the left lane and cutting them off when I went around them. I may have even flipped off some ass hole dump truck driver for driving so fucking slow.
And to bring Obama into this? You must be really running out of material. I guess you can just go back to telling me to fuck off and calling me names.
You mad yet?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Monk
()
Date: June 19, 2013 07:06AM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Mr GFR Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > raskull Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > What you don't get is that according to
> > > Warren
> > > > v.
> > > > > District of Columbia, the police are
> under
> > > > > obligation to protect anyone. Further
> more
> > > the
> > > > > deputies showed NO CONCERN for public
> > safety
> > > by
> > > > > drawing their guns and firing in a store
> > full
> > > > of
> > > > > people.
> > > >
> > > > This argument is going no where. No by
> > standers
> > > > were hurt. Have not even seen a single
> person
> > > on
> > > > TV or in the paper yet that was even close
> > > enough
> > > > to witness the shooting. If you have,
> please
> > > post
> > > > link to what you have.
> > > >
> > > > >The taser did not work, probably due to
> > > > > poor training.
> > > >
> > > > This is based upon what? Another opinion?
> > > >
> > > > >It wasn't that the taser was ineffective,
> it
> > > did
> > > > not work and these things are
> > > > > pretty much fool proof, I call this
> > operator
> > > > error not product failure!
> > > >
> > > > I would like to know where you have
> received
> > > your
> > > > training on using a taser? Tasers are not
> > "fool
> > > > proof". They can be "ineffective" for
> several
> > > > reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you
> > know
> > > to
> > > > be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not
> > said
> > > > what the "failure" was with the taser.
> > > >
> > > > > The other point no one
> > > > > seems to want to address is the language
> > > issue.
> > > > > This was not a highly skilled job, you
> > could
> > > > train
> > > > > a monkey to do it. Did this woman
> > understand
> > > > what
> > > > > the deputies were telling her?
> > > >
> > > > Who ever said she had a language problem? I
> > > have
> > > > yet to see a single Costco sample person
> who
> > > did
> > > > not speak passable English.
> > > >
> > > > > Further more the "official" story has
> > changed
> > > > from "she lunged at
> > > > > deputies" to "she displayed a knife".
> > Stories
> > > > like
> > > > > this don't change unless there is gross
> > > > > misconduct.
> > > >
> > > > Are you talking about the "official story"
> > the
> > > cop
> > > > was telling at the press conference that
> was
> > on
> > > > the news that night? That guy was just a
> > > talking
> > > > month piece. It is not uncommon for the
> facts
> > > or
> > > > details to be mixed up or just flat out
> wrong
> > > by
> > > > the time the information the "mouth piece"
> is
> > > > allowed to provide to the news. The mouth
> > piece
> > > > gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even
> > 5th
> > > > hand.
> > >
> > > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil
> case
> > > against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> > > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> > BILL
> > > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> > > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause
> > or
> > > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard
> they
> > > dented it, they entered into my yard (through
> a
> > > locked gate, a violation of the 4th
> ammendment)
> > > and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> > > violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> > > video of this incident (as does Det.
> Wekenman,
> > > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded
> > to
> > > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
> >
> >
> > Very sad story for you. I'm wiping the tears
> from
> > my eyes as I type this. But what does your
> issues
> > have to do with this shooting? Are there some
> bad
> > cops in Loudoun, sure there are. There are some
> > bad cops in every police department. Are the
> cops
> > involved in this shooting the same cops you had
> an
> > issue with?
> >
> > And please let us know when you post your video
> on
> > you tube, we all could use a good laugh.
> >
> > Oh, and why did the cops come looking for you
> or
> > your wife? What is the rest of the story you
> are
> > not telling us about?
> >
> > But its OK. its clear that your personal issues
> > are clouding what you think here. Your just mad
> > because I pointed out you have no idea what you
> > are talking about in your previous post. Its
> all
> > good.
>
> The cops repeatedly state in my videos they want
> to "talk" to my wife, they could have waited till
> the next day. Thay came at us with such force,
> anger and beligerance that my wife, my 13 year old
> and my neighbors were scared to death. Look at the
> photos, there are foot prints on my door from
> where they attemped to force their way in, they
> did not have "reasonable cause" (this FACT was
> confirmed by Det. Wekenman of LCSO IAD) nor did
> they have a warrant. I not only had the video
> camera rolling, I also had my Sig loaded with
> Black Tallons, ready to stop anyone comming
> through my door illegaly. Why are you taking up
> for these scum bags? THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION OF THE THE UNITED STATES! Why would
> anyone take-up for someone who does not respect
> the US Constitutiuon unless you are a total
> communist scum-bag! I bet you voted for Obama!
>
> Further more do you live in Loudoun? I doubt it.
> The deputies here ARE poorly trained. I count Sgt.
> Chad Calloway, Corpral Gaston Lopez (Goldsboro,
> NC) and Corpral Joe Kirby (Alex. VA) as close
> personal friends, I've had convesations with them
> about my encounters with LCSO and they have said
> they are embarrised to hear about the behavior of
> LCSO deputies.
>
> You won't get a laugh when I post my videos to
> youtube, YOU'LL SHUT YOUR MOUTH, TUCK YOUR TAIL
> BETWEEN YOUR LEGS AND STOP TAKING UP FOR COPS WHO
> ARE OUT OF CONTROL, CLEARLY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION AND OPPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE
> LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Shut your pie hole.
Again, what did they want to talk to your wife about at 1:15am in the morning? If it concerned public safety (if your wife had some sort of crucial information) then they absolutely have the right to kick down your door. But I don't think that's the situation right? Does your wife have information on someone or something? What did they want to know?
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Mr GFR Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > raskull Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > What you don't get is that according to
> > > Warren
> > > > v.
> > > > > District of Columbia, the police are
> under
> > > > > obligation to protect anyone. Further
> more
> > > the
> > > > > deputies showed NO CONCERN for public
> > safety
> > > by
> > > > > drawing their guns and firing in a store
> > full
> > > > of
> > > > > people.
> > > >
> > > > This argument is going no where. No by
> > standers
> > > > were hurt. Have not even seen a single
> person
> > > on
> > > > TV or in the paper yet that was even close
> > > enough
> > > > to witness the shooting. If you have,
> please
> > > post
> > > > link to what you have.
> > > >
> > > > >The taser did not work, probably due to
> > > > > poor training.
> > > >
> > > > This is based upon what? Another opinion?
> > > >
> > > > >It wasn't that the taser was ineffective,
> it
> > > did
> > > > not work and these things are
> > > > > pretty much fool proof, I call this
> > operator
> > > > error not product failure!
> > > >
> > > > I would like to know where you have
> received
> > > your
> > > > training on using a taser? Tasers are not
> > "fool
> > > > proof". They can be "ineffective" for
> several
> > > > reasons. Ask any cop that has one that you
> > know
> > > to
> > > > be honest. The Loudoun cops also have not
> > said
> > > > what the "failure" was with the taser.
> > > >
> > > > > The other point no one
> > > > > seems to want to address is the language
> > > issue.
> > > > > This was not a highly skilled job, you
> > could
> > > > train
> > > > > a monkey to do it. Did this woman
> > understand
> > > > what
> > > > > the deputies were telling her?
> > > >
> > > > Who ever said she had a language problem? I
> > > have
> > > > yet to see a single Costco sample person
> who
> > > did
> > > > not speak passable English.
> > > >
> > > > > Further more the "official" story has
> > changed
> > > > from "she lunged at
> > > > > deputies" to "she displayed a knife".
> > Stories
> > > > like
> > > > > this don't change unless there is gross
> > > > > misconduct.
> > > >
> > > > Are you talking about the "official story"
> > the
> > > cop
> > > > was telling at the press conference that
> was
> > on
> > > > the news that night? That guy was just a
> > > talking
> > > > month piece. It is not uncommon for the
> facts
> > > or
> > > > details to be mixed up or just flat out
> wrong
> > > by
> > > > the time the information the "mouth piece"
> is
> > > > allowed to provide to the news. The mouth
> > piece
> > > > gets his talking points 3rd, 4th , or even
> > 5th
> > > > hand.
> > >
> > > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil
> case
> > > against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> > > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> > BILL
> > > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> > > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause
> > or
> > > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard
> they
> > > dented it, they entered into my yard (through
> a
> > > locked gate, a violation of the 4th
> ammendment)
> > > and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> > > violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> > > video of this incident (as does Det.
> Wekenman,
> > > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded
> > to
> > > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
> >
> >
> > Very sad story for you. I'm wiping the tears
> from
> > my eyes as I type this. But what does your
> issues
> > have to do with this shooting? Are there some
> bad
> > cops in Loudoun, sure there are. There are some
> > bad cops in every police department. Are the
> cops
> > involved in this shooting the same cops you had
> an
> > issue with?
> >
> > And please let us know when you post your video
> on
> > you tube, we all could use a good laugh.
> >
> > Oh, and why did the cops come looking for you
> or
> > your wife? What is the rest of the story you
> are
> > not telling us about?
> >
> > But its OK. its clear that your personal issues
> > are clouding what you think here. Your just mad
> > because I pointed out you have no idea what you
> > are talking about in your previous post. Its
> all
> > good.
>
> The cops repeatedly state in my videos they want
> to "talk" to my wife, they could have waited till
> the next day. Thay came at us with such force,
> anger and beligerance that my wife, my 13 year old
> and my neighbors were scared to death. Look at the
> photos, there are foot prints on my door from
> where they attemped to force their way in, they
> did not have "reasonable cause" (this FACT was
> confirmed by Det. Wekenman of LCSO IAD) nor did
> they have a warrant. I not only had the video
> camera rolling, I also had my Sig loaded with
> Black Tallons, ready to stop anyone comming
> through my door illegaly. Why are you taking up
> for these scum bags? THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION OF THE THE UNITED STATES! Why would
> anyone take-up for someone who does not respect
> the US Constitutiuon unless you are a total
> communist scum-bag! I bet you voted for Obama!
>
> Further more do you live in Loudoun? I doubt it.
> The deputies here ARE poorly trained. I count Sgt.
> Chad Calloway, Corpral Gaston Lopez (Goldsboro,
> NC) and Corpral Joe Kirby (Alex. VA) as close
> personal friends, I've had convesations with them
> about my encounters with LCSO and they have said
> they are embarrised to hear about the behavior of
> LCSO deputies.
>
> You won't get a laugh when I post my videos to
> youtube, YOU'LL SHUT YOUR MOUTH, TUCK YOUR TAIL
> BETWEEN YOUR LEGS AND STOP TAKING UP FOR COPS WHO
> ARE OUT OF CONTROL, CLEARLY DO NOT RESPECT THE
> CONSTITUTION AND OPPERATE OUTSIDE OF THE
> LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Shut your pie hole.
Again, what did they want to talk to your wife about at 1:15am in the morning? If it concerned public safety (if your wife had some sort of crucial information) then they absolutely have the right to kick down your door. But I don't think that's the situation right? Does your wife have information on someone or something? What did they want to know?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 19, 2013 09:37AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And Ruskull...just wondering since you wanted to
> bring your personal problems into this. Your
> pending suit, how long has it been going on? Is it
> pending in Federal court or State?
I'm inerterjecting my issues because idiots like you believe everything they are fed. As to my case, I'm still waiting on the IAD report before anything goes forward.
Here's an interesting point as to your ignorance; do you own your home??? If you do, why are you listed on the deed as tenant? I sugest you look-up tenant in the dictionary.
Here's another fun one for you, the IRS is an agency of the Dept of Tresuary, the Dept of Treasury is an agency of the IMF and the IMF is an agency of the UN. So the reality of this world is you pay taxes to the UN.
Do the reaserch, wake-up! Here's a starting point for you; Black's Law Dictionary 6th edition, page 816 or search Diversified Metal Products v. IRS etal.
You are just another of the sheeple who believes everything any government agency tells you.
-------------------------------------------------------
> And Ruskull...just wondering since you wanted to
> bring your personal problems into this. Your
> pending suit, how long has it been going on? Is it
> pending in Federal court or State?
I'm inerterjecting my issues because idiots like you believe everything they are fed. As to my case, I'm still waiting on the IAD report before anything goes forward.
Here's an interesting point as to your ignorance; do you own your home??? If you do, why are you listed on the deed as tenant? I sugest you look-up tenant in the dictionary.
Here's another fun one for you, the IRS is an agency of the Dept of Tresuary, the Dept of Treasury is an agency of the IMF and the IMF is an agency of the UN. So the reality of this world is you pay taxes to the UN.
Do the reaserch, wake-up! Here's a starting point for you; Black's Law Dictionary 6th edition, page 816 or search Diversified Metal Products v. IRS etal.
You are just another of the sheeple who believes everything any government agency tells you.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 19, 2013 11:07AM
Monk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case
> > against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> BILL
> > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause
> or
> > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they
> > dented it, they entered into my yard (through a
> > locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment)
> > and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> > violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> > video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman,
> > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded
> to
> > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
>
> OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife
> about at 1:15am in the morning?
She called and confronted a neighbor at 9pm over the fact that she caught our teenager doing something he shouldn't have been doing and she should have been the "friend & good neighbor" she claims she is and called us to tell us about the behaviour of our child. That neighbor called the LCSO, drunk at 1am to complain.
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil case
> > against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> BILL
> > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause
> or
> > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard they
> > dented it, they entered into my yard (through a
> > locked gate, a violation of the 4th ammendment)
> > and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> > violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> > video of this incident (as does Det. Wekenman,
> > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded
> to
> > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
>
> OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife
> about at 1:15am in the morning?
She called and confronted a neighbor at 9pm over the fact that she caught our teenager doing something he shouldn't have been doing and she should have been the "friend & good neighbor" she claims she is and called us to tell us about the behaviour of our child. That neighbor called the LCSO, drunk at 1am to complain.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
back to topic please
()
Date: June 19, 2013 11:17AM
I love the criticism about posters speculating about what really did happen.
What else should we do given the complete SILENCE from Loudoun?
It sure would be nice if they would disclose to the people paying the bills what the hell really happened.
What else should we do given the complete SILENCE from Loudoun?
It sure would be nice if they would disclose to the people paying the bills what the hell really happened.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Monk
()
Date: June 19, 2013 01:31PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Monk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil
> case
> > > against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> > > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> > BILL
> > > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> > > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause
> > or
> > > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard
> they
> > > dented it, they entered into my yard (through
> a
> > > locked gate, a violation of the 4th
> ammendment)
> > > and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> > > violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> > > video of this incident (as does Det.
> Wekenman,
> > > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded
> > to
> > > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
> >
> > OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife
> > about at 1:15am in the morning?
>
> She called and confronted a neighbor at 9pm over
> the fact that she caught our teenager doing
> something he shouldn't have been doing and she
> should have been the "friend & good neighbor" she
> claims she is and called us to tell us about the
> behaviour of our child. That neighbor called the
> LCSO, drunk at 1am to complain.
Okay, now what was your son doing? (per the neighbor).
-------------------------------------------------------
> Monk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil
> case
> > > against LCSO for their highly unprofessional
> > > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> > BILL
> > > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am to
> > > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable cause
> > or
> > > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard
> they
> > > dented it, they entered into my yard (through
> a
> > > locked gate, a violation of the 4th
> ammendment)
> > > and attempted to kick-in my door, a compleat
> > > violation on my constitutional rights. I have
> > > video of this incident (as does Det.
> Wekenman,
> > > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be uploaded
> > to
> > > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
> >
> > OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife
> > about at 1:15am in the morning?
>
> She called and confronted a neighbor at 9pm over
> the fact that she caught our teenager doing
> something he shouldn't have been doing and she
> should have been the "friend & good neighbor" she
> claims she is and called us to tell us about the
> behaviour of our child. That neighbor called the
> LCSO, drunk at 1am to complain.
Okay, now what was your son doing? (per the neighbor).
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 19, 2013 01:59PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And Ruskull...just wondering since you wanted
> to
> > bring your personal problems into this. Your
> > pending suit, how long has it been going on? Is
> it
> > pending in Federal court or State?
>
> I'm inerterjecting my issues because idiots like
> you believe everything they are fed. As to my
> case, I'm still waiting on the IAD report before
> anything goes forward.
>
> Here's an interesting point as to your ignorance;
> do you own your home??? If you do, why are you
> listed on the deed as tenant? I sugest you look-up
> tenant in the dictionary.
> Here's another fun one for you, the IRS is an
> agency of the Dept of Tresuary, the Dept of
> Treasury is an agency of the IMF and the IMF is an
> agency of the UN. So the reality of this world is
> you pay taxes to the UN.
> Do the reaserch, wake-up! Here's a starting point
> for you; Black's Law Dictionary 6th edition, page
> 816 or search Diversified Metal Products v. IRS
> etal.
>
> You are just another of the sheeple who believes
> everything any government agency tells you.
Dude..you just went full blown retard with this post. You seemed like a pretty normal person until now. I think we can conclude you are a little nutty now.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And Ruskull...just wondering since you wanted
> to
> > bring your personal problems into this. Your
> > pending suit, how long has it been going on? Is
> it
> > pending in Federal court or State?
>
> I'm inerterjecting my issues because idiots like
> you believe everything they are fed. As to my
> case, I'm still waiting on the IAD report before
> anything goes forward.
>
> Here's an interesting point as to your ignorance;
> do you own your home??? If you do, why are you
> listed on the deed as tenant? I sugest you look-up
> tenant in the dictionary.
> Here's another fun one for you, the IRS is an
> agency of the Dept of Tresuary, the Dept of
> Treasury is an agency of the IMF and the IMF is an
> agency of the UN. So the reality of this world is
> you pay taxes to the UN.
> Do the reaserch, wake-up! Here's a starting point
> for you; Black's Law Dictionary 6th edition, page
> 816 or search Diversified Metal Products v. IRS
> etal.
>
> You are just another of the sheeple who believes
> everything any government agency tells you.
Dude..you just went full blown retard with this post. You seemed like a pretty normal person until now. I think we can conclude you are a little nutty now.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Fraidy Cop
()
Date: June 19, 2013 02:24PM
Oh well, lets just sweep this under the rug shall we?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 20, 2013 09:24AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Raskull....go back and read what I posted. I never
> said what happened at your house was right or
> wrong. I even said there are some bad cops
> everywhere and in every department.
>
> BUT...whatever happened at your house has nothing
> to do with the shooting at Costco. And I am not
> sticking up for them, I am just not sending them
> off to the electric chair either. What I have said
> all along is that most of the posts here are from
> people that have no idea what they are talking
> about and did not see a gosh darn thing. If
> pointing out bullshit posted by others is sticking
> up for somebody then I guess I am guilty of
> sticking up for them after all. I like facts and
> then make my own opinion upon facts. There are
> very few facts in this thread to what happened.
> Lots of opinions from people who were not even
> there.
>
> You are a perfect example. You have issues with
> the Loudoun Police because you have had issues
> with some of them in the past. You have no more
> facts then what the news posted but yet you think
> these officers did something wrong. Yet you have
> no facts to back this up. You are just basing it
> upon your own opinions.
>
> I said way back on page three that maybe they did
> screw up. But maybe they didn't. I have trust in
> the system. Some times the system does not work
> but most of the time it does. And people may not
> always agree with the systems out come but then
> again that's their opinion.
What happened to me & my family is typical of encounters with LCSO. Further more we've had problems with LCSO deputies since my wife filed a formal complaint 3 years ago, agaisnt a deputy who had her car towed and impounded (at a cost of $150), the car was parked in a visitor space in our development, he had no reason what so ever to have the car towed. Funny thing is a year later, Sheriff Simpson publicly declaired that it is not the policy of LCSO to tow cars that are parked legally. After that statment, we re-filed our complaint and it went no where.
Moral of the story, if you complain against a deputy in (The People's Republic of)Loudoun County, EXPECT TO BE HARASSED FOR YEARS!!!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Raskull....go back and read what I posted. I never
> said what happened at your house was right or
> wrong. I even said there are some bad cops
> everywhere and in every department.
>
> BUT...whatever happened at your house has nothing
> to do with the shooting at Costco. And I am not
> sticking up for them, I am just not sending them
> off to the electric chair either. What I have said
> all along is that most of the posts here are from
> people that have no idea what they are talking
> about and did not see a gosh darn thing. If
> pointing out bullshit posted by others is sticking
> up for somebody then I guess I am guilty of
> sticking up for them after all. I like facts and
> then make my own opinion upon facts. There are
> very few facts in this thread to what happened.
> Lots of opinions from people who were not even
> there.
>
> You are a perfect example. You have issues with
> the Loudoun Police because you have had issues
> with some of them in the past. You have no more
> facts then what the news posted but yet you think
> these officers did something wrong. Yet you have
> no facts to back this up. You are just basing it
> upon your own opinions.
>
> I said way back on page three that maybe they did
> screw up. But maybe they didn't. I have trust in
> the system. Some times the system does not work
> but most of the time it does. And people may not
> always agree with the systems out come but then
> again that's their opinion.
What happened to me & my family is typical of encounters with LCSO. Further more we've had problems with LCSO deputies since my wife filed a formal complaint 3 years ago, agaisnt a deputy who had her car towed and impounded (at a cost of $150), the car was parked in a visitor space in our development, he had no reason what so ever to have the car towed. Funny thing is a year later, Sheriff Simpson publicly declaired that it is not the policy of LCSO to tow cars that are parked legally. After that statment, we re-filed our complaint and it went no where.
Moral of the story, if you complain against a deputy in (The People's Republic of)Loudoun County, EXPECT TO BE HARASSED FOR YEARS!!!!!!!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 20, 2013 09:30AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mr GFR Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And Ruskull...just wondering since you wanted
> > to
> > > bring your personal problems into this. Your
> > > pending suit, how long has it been going on?
> Is
> > it
> > > pending in Federal court or State?
> >
> > I'm inerterjecting my issues because idiots
> like
> > you believe everything they are fed. As to my
> > case, I'm still waiting on the IAD report
> before
> > anything goes forward.
> >
> > Here's an interesting point as to your
> ignorance;
> > do you own your home??? If you do, why are you
> > listed on the deed as tenant? I sugest you
> look-up
> > tenant in the dictionary.
> > Here's another fun one for you, the IRS is an
> > agency of the Dept of Tresuary, the Dept of
> > Treasury is an agency of the IMF and the IMF is
> an
> > agency of the UN. So the reality of this world
> is
> > you pay taxes to the UN.
> > Do the reaserch, wake-up! Here's a starting
> point
> > for you; Black's Law Dictionary 6th edition,
> page
> > 816 or search Diversified Metal Products v. IRS
> > etal.
> >
> > You are just another of the sheeple who
> believes
> > everything any government agency tells you.
>
>
> Dude..you just went full blown retard with this
> post. You seemed like a pretty normal person until
> now. I think we can conclude you are a little
> nutty now.
No, just shows how little you know. Whould you like for me to cite all the case laws, documents and Senate sessions that have removed most of your rights, so you can look them up? May-be you'd wake-up and realize we're all slaves and we are moving closer every day to a one world government.
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mr GFR Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And Ruskull...just wondering since you wanted
> > to
> > > bring your personal problems into this. Your
> > > pending suit, how long has it been going on?
> Is
> > it
> > > pending in Federal court or State?
> >
> > I'm inerterjecting my issues because idiots
> like
> > you believe everything they are fed. As to my
> > case, I'm still waiting on the IAD report
> before
> > anything goes forward.
> >
> > Here's an interesting point as to your
> ignorance;
> > do you own your home??? If you do, why are you
> > listed on the deed as tenant? I sugest you
> look-up
> > tenant in the dictionary.
> > Here's another fun one for you, the IRS is an
> > agency of the Dept of Tresuary, the Dept of
> > Treasury is an agency of the IMF and the IMF is
> an
> > agency of the UN. So the reality of this world
> is
> > you pay taxes to the UN.
> > Do the reaserch, wake-up! Here's a starting
> point
> > for you; Black's Law Dictionary 6th edition,
> page
> > 816 or search Diversified Metal Products v. IRS
> > etal.
> >
> > You are just another of the sheeple who
> believes
> > everything any government agency tells you.
>
>
> Dude..you just went full blown retard with this
> post. You seemed like a pretty normal person until
> now. I think we can conclude you are a little
> nutty now.
No, just shows how little you know. Whould you like for me to cite all the case laws, documents and Senate sessions that have removed most of your rights, so you can look them up? May-be you'd wake-up and realize we're all slaves and we are moving closer every day to a one world government.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 20, 2013 09:38AM
More often than not, when there is silence from the cops regarding a controversial case, this is SOP while they work with the county officials to formulate what story they want to stick with. Their primary objective will be to protect the officers, not the victim.
This one seems to be taking unusally long to announce anything, so you expect a really convoluted story when it finally comes forward.
This one seems to be taking unusally long to announce anything, so you expect a really convoluted story when it finally comes forward.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Monk
()
Date: June 20, 2013 02:13PM
Monk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Monk Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil
> > case
> > > > against LCSO for their highly
> unprofessional
> > > > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> > > BILL
> > > > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am
> to
> > > > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable
> cause
> > > or
> > > > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard
> > they
> > > > dented it, they entered into my yard
> (through
> > a
> > > > locked gate, a violation of the 4th
> > ammendment)
> > > > and attempted to kick-in my door, a
> compleat
> > > > violation on my constitutional rights. I
> have
> > > > video of this incident (as does Det.
> > Wekenman,
> > > > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be
> uploaded
> > > to
> > > > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
> > >
> > > OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife
> > > about at 1:15am in the morning?
> >
> > She called and confronted a neighbor at 9pm
> over
> > the fact that she caught our teenager doing
> > something he shouldn't have been doing and she
> > should have been the "friend & good neighbor"
> she
> > claims she is and called us to tell us about
> the
> > behaviour of our child. That neighbor called
> the
> > LCSO, drunk at 1am to complain.
>
> Okay, now what was your son doing? (per the
> neighbor).
Again, what was your son doing?
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Monk Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil
> > case
> > > > against LCSO for their highly
> unprofessional
> > > > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> > > BILL
> > > > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am
> to
> > > > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable
> cause
> > > or
> > > > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard
> > they
> > > > dented it, they entered into my yard
> (through
> > a
> > > > locked gate, a violation of the 4th
> > ammendment)
> > > > and attempted to kick-in my door, a
> compleat
> > > > violation on my constitutional rights. I
> have
> > > > video of this incident (as does Det.
> > Wekenman,
> > > > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be
> uploaded
> > > to
> > > > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
> > >
> > > OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife
> > > about at 1:15am in the morning?
> >
> > She called and confronted a neighbor at 9pm
> over
> > the fact that she caught our teenager doing
> > something he shouldn't have been doing and she
> > should have been the "friend & good neighbor"
> she
> > claims she is and called us to tell us about
> the
> > behaviour of our child. That neighbor called
> the
> > LCSO, drunk at 1am to complain.
>
> Okay, now what was your son doing? (per the
> neighbor).
Again, what was your son doing?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Was it something like this?
()
Date: June 20, 2013 04:15PM
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 20, 2013 06:19PM
Monk Wrote:
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> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Monk Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil
> > case
> > > > against LCSO for their highly
> unprofessional
> > > > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> > > BILL
> > > > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am
> to
> > > > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable
> cause
> > > or
> > > > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard
> > they
> > > > dented it, they entered into my yard
> (through
> > a
> > > > locked gate, a violation of the 4th
> > ammendment)
> > > > and attempted to kick-in my door, a
> compleat
> > > > violation on my constitutional rights. I
> have
> > > > video of this incident (as does Det.
> > Wekenman,
> > > > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be
> uploaded
> > > to
> > > > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
> > >
> > > OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife
> > > about at 1:15am in the morning?
> >
> > She called and confronted a neighbor at 9pm
> over
> > the fact that she caught our teenager doing
> > something he shouldn't have been doing and she
> > should have been the "friend & good neighbor"
> she
> > claims she is and called us to tell us about
> the
> > behaviour of our child. That neighbor called
> the
> > LCSO, drunk at 1am to complain.
>
> Okay, now what was your son doing? (per the
> neighbor).
He was smoking weed with a kid he claims keeps "robbing" him for his money.
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> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Monk Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Look here douchbag, I have a pending civil
> > case
> > > > against LCSO for their highly
> unprofessional
> > > > behavior and VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES
> > > BILL
> > > > OF RIGHTS! They came to my home at 1:15 am
> to
> > > > "talk" to my wife, they had no probable
> cause
> > > or
> > > > warrant, they beat the steel door so hard
> > they
> > > > dented it, they entered into my yard
> (through
> > a
> > > > locked gate, a violation of the 4th
> > ammendment)
> > > > and attempted to kick-in my door, a
> compleat
> > > > violation on my constitutional rights. I
> have
> > > > video of this incident (as does Det.
> > Wekenman,
> > > > head of IAD for LCSO) and it will be
> uploaded
> > > to
> > > > youtube very soon. See attached photos.
> > >
> > > OKay, what did they want to talk to your wife
> > > about at 1:15am in the morning?
> >
> > She called and confronted a neighbor at 9pm
> over
> > the fact that she caught our teenager doing
> > something he shouldn't have been doing and she
> > should have been the "friend & good neighbor"
> she
> > claims she is and called us to tell us about
> the
> > behaviour of our child. That neighbor called
> the
> > LCSO, drunk at 1am to complain.
>
> Okay, now what was your son doing? (per the
> neighbor).
He was smoking weed with a kid he claims keeps "robbing" him for his money.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 21, 2013 03:13PM
Mr GFR
Do you think you have "rights"? Try googling Japanise Americans 1942. You have no "rights", the government is free to suspend your "rights" whenever the want. You are just slave and the sooner people figure this out, the sooner it can be fixed.
Do you think you have "rights"? Try googling Japanise Americans 1942. You have no "rights", the government is free to suspend your "rights" whenever the want. You are just slave and the sooner people figure this out, the sooner it can be fixed.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Grizzled Vet
()
Date: June 21, 2013 06:21PM
Those Japs were all spies! They had to be rounded up!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
cpLxD
()
Date: June 25, 2013 06:25PM
Bump for the pigs.
Any new info on the case except Rambo and his goon squad showed up and blew away some chick with a pizza cutter?
Any new info on the case except Rambo and his goon squad showed up and blew away some chick with a pizza cutter?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
adsfasdfas
()
Date: June 25, 2013 08:29PM
cpLxD Wrote:
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> Bump for the pigs.
>
> Any new info on the case except Rambo and his goon
> squad showed up and blew away some chick with a
> pizza cutter?
Yes, a witness came forward and said the shooters..."Look lika man".
Attachments:
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> Bump for the pigs.
>
> Any new info on the case except Rambo and his goon
> squad showed up and blew away some chick with a
> pizza cutter?
Yes, a witness came forward and said the shooters..."Look lika man".
Attachments:
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 25, 2013 09:29PM
And still we wait.
This is going to be one hell of a cover up for the time it's taking.
This is going to be one hell of a cover up for the time it's taking.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 28, 2013 02:05AM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> And still we wait.
>
> This is going to be one hell of a cover up for the
> time it's taking.
What are you waiting for? You and others have already concluded there is a cover up taking place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will even admit a shooting happened.
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> And still we wait.
>
> This is going to be one hell of a cover up for the
> time it's taking.
What are you waiting for? You and others have already concluded there is a cover up taking place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will even admit a shooting happened.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
j9cNj
()
Date: June 28, 2013 02:10AM
what a fag, bumping a thread in hopes to find someone to lose more arguments with
get a life
get a life
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 28, 2013 10:32AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And still we wait.
> >
> > This is going to be one hell of a cover up for
> the
> > time it's taking.
>
>
> What are you waiting for? You and others have
> already concluded there is a cover up taking
> place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> even admit a shooting happened.
I guess you've never heard of Carlos Garcia? He was assaulted by a LCSO deputy in 2009, the incident was caught on dash cam video, he now has a massive law suit against the former deputy, Terry Daniel, in federal court. LCSO investigated this incident and found no wrong doing on the part of the deputy. In their usual effort to cover things up, LCSO charged Mr. Garcia with assault on a deputy. That's how things happen in the People's Republic of Loudoun County.
Mr GFR, you're either very stupid or a LCSO deputy. Which is it?
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And still we wait.
> >
> > This is going to be one hell of a cover up for
> the
> > time it's taking.
>
>
> What are you waiting for? You and others have
> already concluded there is a cover up taking
> place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> even admit a shooting happened.
I guess you've never heard of Carlos Garcia? He was assaulted by a LCSO deputy in 2009, the incident was caught on dash cam video, he now has a massive law suit against the former deputy, Terry Daniel, in federal court. LCSO investigated this incident and found no wrong doing on the part of the deputy. In their usual effort to cover things up, LCSO charged Mr. Garcia with assault on a deputy. That's how things happen in the People's Republic of Loudoun County.
Mr GFR, you're either very stupid or a LCSO deputy. Which is it?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 28, 2013 10:40AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
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> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And still we wait.
> >
> > This is going to be one hell of a cover up for
> the
> > time it's taking.
>
>
> What are you waiting for? You and others have
> already concluded there is a cover up taking
> place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> even admit a shooting happened.
Oh, by the way, if there was no wrong doing on the part of the deputies, why is this case now in the hands of the Commonwealth's Attorney's office????
-------------------------------------------------------
> Stabitha Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And still we wait.
> >
> > This is going to be one hell of a cover up for
> the
> > time it's taking.
>
>
> What are you waiting for? You and others have
> already concluded there is a cover up taking
> place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> even admit a shooting happened.
Oh, by the way, if there was no wrong doing on the part of the deputies, why is this case now in the hands of the Commonwealth's Attorney's office????
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Stabitha
()
Date: June 28, 2013 11:08AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
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>
>
>
> What are you waiting for? You and others have
> already concluded there is a cover up taking
> place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> even admit a shooting happened.
Im waiting for the police or county attorney or somebody in the county government to tell us happened. Does that seem strange to you?
As a person who lives in this area and has actually shopped in that Costco, I think I have a right to know.
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>
>
>
> What are you waiting for? You and others have
> already concluded there is a cover up taking
> place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> even admit a shooting happened.
Im waiting for the police or county attorney or somebody in the county government to tell us happened. Does that seem strange to you?
As a person who lives in this area and has actually shopped in that Costco, I think I have a right to know.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
asdfasdfsafd
()
Date: June 28, 2013 02:18PM
Stabitha Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> >
> > What are you waiting for? You and others have
> > already concluded there is a cover up taking
> > place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> > even admit a shooting happened.
>
> Im waiting for the police or county attorney or
> somebody in the county government to tell us
> happened. Does that seem strange to you?
>
> As a person who lives in this area and has
> actually shopped in that Costco, I think I have a
> right to know.
Me too!
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> >
> > What are you waiting for? You and others have
> > already concluded there is a cover up taking
> > place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> > even admit a shooting happened.
>
> Im waiting for the police or county attorney or
> somebody in the county government to tell us
> happened. Does that seem strange to you?
>
> As a person who lives in this area and has
> actually shopped in that Costco, I think I have a
> right to know.
Me too!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Jaco
()
Date: June 28, 2013 04:50PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stabitha Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And still we wait.
> > >
> > > This is going to be one hell of a cover up
> for
> > the
> > > time it's taking.
> >
> >
> > What are you waiting for? You and others have
> > already concluded there is a cover up taking
> > place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> > even admit a shooting happened.
>
> Oh, by the way, if there was no wrong doing on the
> part of the deputies, why is this case now in the
> hands of the Commonwealth's Attorney's office????
The Commonwealth's Attorney always reviews the evidence in a officer involved shooting to determine whether the officer/deputy violated any laws, it does not indicate "wrong doing".
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stabitha Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And still we wait.
> > >
> > > This is going to be one hell of a cover up
> for
> > the
> > > time it's taking.
> >
> >
> > What are you waiting for? You and others have
> > already concluded there is a cover up taking
> > place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> > even admit a shooting happened.
>
> Oh, by the way, if there was no wrong doing on the
> part of the deputies, why is this case now in the
> hands of the Commonwealth's Attorney's office????
The Commonwealth's Attorney always reviews the evidence in a officer involved shooting to determine whether the officer/deputy violated any laws, it does not indicate "wrong doing".
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 30, 2013 04:06AM
j9cNj Wrote:
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> what a fag, bumping a thread in hopes to find
> someone to lose more arguments with
>
> get a life
NO ass wipe, I was busy. Mom made me leave the basement for a couple of days. And 3 days is a huge bump. You are the one with issues. Why do you keep posting under random names?
Stop being scarred.
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> what a fag, bumping a thread in hopes to find
> someone to lose more arguments with
>
> get a life
NO ass wipe, I was busy. Mom made me leave the basement for a couple of days. And 3 days is a huge bump. You are the one with issues. Why do you keep posting under random names?
Stop being scarred.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 30, 2013 04:12AM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I guess you've never heard of Carlos Garcia? He
> was assaulted by a LCSO deputy in 2009, the
> incident was caught on dash cam video, he now has
> a massive law suit against the former deputy,
> Terry Daniel, in federal court. LCSO investigated
> this incident and found no wrong doing on the part
> of the deputy. In their usual effort to cover
> things up, LCSO charged Mr. Garcia with assault on
> a deputy. That's how things happen in the People's
> Republic of Loudoun County.
>
> Mr GFR, you're either very stupid or a LCSO
> deputy. Which is it?
No I have never heard of Carlos Garcia. Just because somebody has a pending lawsuit in federal court does not mean a whole lot without knowing more about the case or the case status in federal court. How long ago was the suit filed? Has the trail started yet? Maybe I will just Google it and see if anything pops up on it. Do you have a link to the video?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/30/2013 04:20AM by Mr GFR.
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> I guess you've never heard of Carlos Garcia? He
> was assaulted by a LCSO deputy in 2009, the
> incident was caught on dash cam video, he now has
> a massive law suit against the former deputy,
> Terry Daniel, in federal court. LCSO investigated
> this incident and found no wrong doing on the part
> of the deputy. In their usual effort to cover
> things up, LCSO charged Mr. Garcia with assault on
> a deputy. That's how things happen in the People's
> Republic of Loudoun County.
>
> Mr GFR, you're either very stupid or a LCSO
> deputy. Which is it?
No I have never heard of Carlos Garcia. Just because somebody has a pending lawsuit in federal court does not mean a whole lot without knowing more about the case or the case status in federal court. How long ago was the suit filed? Has the trail started yet? Maybe I will just Google it and see if anything pops up on it. Do you have a link to the video?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/30/2013 04:20AM by Mr GFR.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 30, 2013 04:18AM
Stabitha Wrote:
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> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> >
> > What are you waiting for? You and others have
> > already concluded there is a cover up taking
> > place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> > even admit a shooting happened.
>
> Im waiting for the police or county attorney or
> somebody in the county government to tell us
> happened. Does that seem strange to you?
>
> As a person who lives in this area and has
> actually shopped in that Costco, I think I have a
> right to know.
Not strange once everything is finished. But the cops will not say anything more until the Commonwealth rules on the shooting and maybe even not after that beyond saying no charges are being placed. It all depends how things look. If its a ruled a good shooting and defendable in civil court they will release more info then if they think there are issues with the shooting.
When was this shooting again? I would bet it would be at least a month from the shooting date before the commonwealth decides.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr GFR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> >
> > What are you waiting for? You and others have
> > already concluded there is a cover up taking
> > place. Give it a few more weeks and nobody will
> > even admit a shooting happened.
>
> Im waiting for the police or county attorney or
> somebody in the county government to tell us
> happened. Does that seem strange to you?
>
> As a person who lives in this area and has
> actually shopped in that Costco, I think I have a
> right to know.
Not strange once everything is finished. But the cops will not say anything more until the Commonwealth rules on the shooting and maybe even not after that beyond saying no charges are being placed. It all depends how things look. If its a ruled a good shooting and defendable in civil court they will release more info then if they think there are issues with the shooting.
When was this shooting again? I would bet it would be at least a month from the shooting date before the commonwealth decides.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Mr GFR
()
Date: June 30, 2013 04:51AM
Raskull--
I just Googled Carlos Garcia and the Video even came up. I would have to agree that Loudoun my loose that case and end up paying Garcia some money.
I just Googled Carlos Garcia and the Video even came up. I would have to agree that Loudoun my loose that case and end up paying Garcia some money.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: June 30, 2013 08:14AM
Mr GFR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Raskull--
>
> I just Googled Carlos Garcia and the Video even
> came up. I would have to agree that Loudoun my
> loose that case and end up paying Garcia some
> money.
The Garcia case is typical of what I've seen in my encounters with LCSO. They tried to sweep the Garcia case under the rug and charged Mr.Garcia with assault on a deputy, this is how things are done by LCSO in the People's Republik of Loudoun County. It's all good the DOJ is comming and they're going to clean-up this county.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Raskull--
>
> I just Googled Carlos Garcia and the Video even
> came up. I would have to agree that Loudoun my
> loose that case and end up paying Garcia some
> money.
The Garcia case is typical of what I've seen in my encounters with LCSO. They tried to sweep the Garcia case under the rug and charged Mr.Garcia with assault on a deputy, this is how things are done by LCSO in the People's Republik of Loudoun County. It's all good the DOJ is comming and they're going to clean-up this county.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
raskull
()
Date: August 01, 2013 06:37PM
You should watch the video of the press conference. When Plowman says the deputies were "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his body language shows it.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Two Cents
()
Date: August 01, 2013 07:22PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You should watch the video of the press
> conference. When Plowman says the deputies were
> "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff
> Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his body
> language shows it.
Anybody have the video for that?
-------------------------------------------------------
> You should watch the video of the press
> conference. When Plowman says the deputies were
> "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff
> Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his body
> language shows it.
Anybody have the video for that?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Raskull
()
Date: August 02, 2013 07:35AM
Two Cents Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You should watch the video of the press
> > conference. When Plowman says the deputies were
> > "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> > looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff
> > Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his
> body
> > language shows it.
>
> Anybody have the video for that?
Check local news stations, Fox 5, ABC 7, NBC 4, etc.
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> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You should watch the video of the press
> > conference. When Plowman says the deputies were
> > "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> > looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff
> > Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his
> body
> > language shows it.
>
> Anybody have the video for that?
Check local news stations, Fox 5, ABC 7, NBC 4, etc.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Hollywood
()
Date: August 02, 2013 07:37AM
Or you could just post the link?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Loudoun Native
()
Date: August 02, 2013 08:01PM
raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You should watch the video of the press
> conference. When Plowman says the deputies were
> "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff
> Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his body
> language shows it.
The triggerman is deputy foster. He'll get a hero's welcome when he returns to duty. I hope this eats him from the inside out for the rest of his life.
-------------------------------------------------------
> You should watch the video of the press
> conference. When Plowman says the deputies were
> "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff
> Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his body
> language shows it.
The triggerman is deputy foster. He'll get a hero's welcome when he returns to duty. I hope this eats him from the inside out for the rest of his life.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Jaco
()
Date: August 02, 2013 08:28PM
Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are cutting pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little wheel.
Attachments:
Attachments:
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Raskull
()
Date: August 08, 2013 05:29PM
Loudoun Native Wrote:
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> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You should watch the video of the press
> > conference. When Plowman says the deputies were
> > "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> > looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff
> > Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his
> body
> > language shows it.
> The triggerman is deputy foster. He'll get a
> hero's welcome when he returns to duty. I hope
> this eats him from the inside out for the rest of
> his life.
If we're lucky deputy foster will give his Glock a blowjob!
If you read the report, there were 5 deputies at CostCo, 3 holstered their tazers BEFORE the situation was under control. That is not SOP in such a situation and is most likely a violation of policy! But this is Loudoun, deputies are NEVER disciplend when they violate policy or break the law BECAUSE THEY ANSWER TO AN elected OFFICIAL WHO CAN NOT BE FIRED OR REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY ANY ONE (he can be arrested, BUT only by a state or county coronor and no one else)!
IN OTHER WORDS, DEPUTIES ANSWER TO NO ONE AND THEY KNOW THIS!
In the Carlos Garcia case, Mr. Garcia was tackled to the ground by a deputy, knocked-out when his head hit the ground, then charged with assault on a deputy! WTF? The other deputies on the scene DID NOT report the charges against Mr. Garcia were false. IT IS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS NOT REPORTING THAT CHARGES AGAINST A PERSON ARE FALSE! NO DEPUTY WAS EVER CHARGED OR FIRED! Loudoun needs to change to a poLICE department with a poLICE cheif who can be FIRED if officers get out of line!
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> raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You should watch the video of the press
> > conference. When Plowman says the deputies were
> > "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> > looks down and you see his face cringe. Sheriff
> > Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his
> body
> > language shows it.
> The triggerman is deputy foster. He'll get a
> hero's welcome when he returns to duty. I hope
> this eats him from the inside out for the rest of
> his life.
If we're lucky deputy foster will give his Glock a blowjob!
If you read the report, there were 5 deputies at CostCo, 3 holstered their tazers BEFORE the situation was under control. That is not SOP in such a situation and is most likely a violation of policy! But this is Loudoun, deputies are NEVER disciplend when they violate policy or break the law BECAUSE THEY ANSWER TO AN elected OFFICIAL WHO CAN NOT BE FIRED OR REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY ANY ONE (he can be arrested, BUT only by a state or county coronor and no one else)!
IN OTHER WORDS, DEPUTIES ANSWER TO NO ONE AND THEY KNOW THIS!
In the Carlos Garcia case, Mr. Garcia was tackled to the ground by a deputy, knocked-out when his head hit the ground, then charged with assault on a deputy! WTF? The other deputies on the scene DID NOT report the charges against Mr. Garcia were false. IT IS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS NOT REPORTING THAT CHARGES AGAINST A PERSON ARE FALSE! NO DEPUTY WAS EVER CHARGED OR FIRED! Loudoun needs to change to a poLICE department with a poLICE cheif who can be FIRED if officers get out of line!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
><<><><><><
()
Date: August 09, 2013 08:42PM
Raskull Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Loudoun Native Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You should watch the video of the press
> > > conference. When Plowman says the deputies
> were
> > > "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> > > looks down and you see his face cringe.
> Sheriff
> > > Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his
> > body
> > > language shows it.
> > The triggerman is deputy foster. He'll get a
> > hero's welcome when he returns to duty. I hope
> > this eats him from the inside out for the rest
> of
> > his life.
>
> If we're lucky deputy foster will give his Glock a
> blowjob!
>
> If you read the report, there were 5 deputies at
> CostCo, 3 holstered their tazers BEFORE the
> situation was under control. That is not SOP in
> such a situation and is most likely a violation of
> policy! But this is Loudoun, deputies are NEVER
> disciplend when they violate policy or break the
> law BECAUSE THEY ANSWER TO AN elected OFFICIAL WHO
> CAN NOT BE FIRED OR REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY ANY ONE
> (he can be arrested, BUT only by a state or county
> coronor and no one else)!
>
> IN OTHER WORDS, DEPUTIES ANSWER TO NO ONE AND THEY
> KNOW THIS!
>
> In the Carlos Garcia case, Mr. Garcia was tackled
> to the ground by a deputy, knocked-out when his
> head hit the ground, then charged with assault on
> a deputy! WTF? The other deputies on the scene DID
> NOT report the charges against Mr. Garcia were
> false. IT IS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW FOR LAW
> ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS NOT REPORTING THAT CHARGES
> AGAINST A PERSON ARE FALSE! NO DEPUTY WAS EVER
> CHARGED OR FIRED! Loudoun needs to change to a
> poLICE department with a poLICE cheif who can be
> FIRED if officers get out of line!
Assault is also considered touching of the officer (or a person for that matter).
§ 18.2-57. Assault and battery.
A. Any person who commits a simple assault or assault and battery is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor, and if the person intentionally selects the person against whom a simple assault is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
B. However, if a person intentionally selects the person against whom an assault and battery resulting in bodily injury is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
C. In addition, if any person commits an assault or an assault and battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a judge, a magistrate, a law-enforcement officer as defined in subsection F, a correctional officer as defined in § 53.1-1, a person directly involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of inmates in the custody of the Department of Corrections or an employee of a local or regional correctional facility directly involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of inmates in the custody of the facility, a person directly involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of persons in the custody of or under the supervision of the Department of Juvenile Justice, an employee or other individual who provides control, care, or treatment of sexually violent predators committed to the custody of the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services, a firefighter as defined in § 65.2-102, or a volunteer firefighter or any emergency medical services personnel member who is employed by or is a volunteer of an emergency medical services agency or as a member of a bona fide volunteer fire department or volunteer emergency medical services agency, regardless of whether a resolution has been adopted by the governing body of a political subdivision recognizing such firefighters or emergency medical services personnel as employees, engaged in the performance of his public duties, such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and, upon conviction, the sentence of such person shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of six months.
Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to affect the right of any person charged with a violation of this section from asserting and presenting evidence in support of any defenses to the charge that may be available under common law.
D. In addition, if any person commits a battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a full-time or part-time teacher, principal, assistant principal, or guidance counselor of any public or private elementary or secondary school and is engaged in the performance of his duties as such, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor and the sentence of such person upon conviction shall include a sentence of 15 days in jail, two days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement. However, if the offense is committed by use of a firearm or other weapon prohibited on school property pursuant to § 18.2-308.1, the person shall serve a mandatory minimum sentence of confinement of six months.
E. In addition, any person who commits a battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such individual is a health care provider as defined in § 8.01-581.1 who is engaged in the performance of his duties as an emergency health care provider in an emergency room of a hospital or clinic or on the premises of any other facility rendering emergency medical care is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. The sentence of such person, upon conviction, shall include a term of confinement of 15 days in jail, two days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
F. As used in this section:
"Judge" means any justice or judge of a court of record of the Commonwealth including a judge designated under § 17.1-105, a judge under temporary recall under § 17.1-106, or a judge pro tempore under § 17.1-109, any member of the State Corporation Commission, or of the Virginia Workers' Compensation Commission, and any judge of a district court of the Commonwealth or any substitute judge of such district court.
"Law-enforcement officer" means any full-time or part-time employee of a police department or sheriff's office that is part of or administered by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof who is responsible for the prevention or detection of crime and the enforcement of the penal, traffic or highway laws of the Commonwealth, any conservation officer of the Department of Conservation and Recreation commissioned pursuant to § 10.1-115, any special agent of the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control, conservation police officers appointed pursuant to § 29.1-200, and full-time sworn members of the enforcement division of the Department of Motor Vehicles appointed pursuant to § 46.2-217, and such officer also includes jail officers in local and regional correctional facilities, all deputy sheriffs, whether assigned to law-enforcement duties, court services or local jail responsibilities, auxiliary police officers appointed or provided for pursuant to §§ 15.2-1731 and 15.2-1733, auxiliary deputy sheriffs appointed pursuant to § 15.2-1603, police officers of the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority pursuant to § 5.1-158, and fire marshals appointed pursuant to § 27-30 when such fire marshals have police powers as set out in §§ 27-34.2 and 27-34.2:1.
"School security officer" means an individual who is employed by the local school board for the purpose of maintaining order and discipline, preventing crime, investigating violations of school board policies and detaining persons violating the law or school board policies on school property, a school bus or at a school-sponsored activity and who is responsible solely for ensuring the safety, security and welfare of all students, faculty and staff in the assigned school.
G. "Simple assault" or "assault and battery" shall not be construed to include the use of, by any teacher, teacher aide, principal, assistant principal, guidance counselor, school security officer, school bus driver or school bus aide, while acting in the course and scope of his official capacity, any of the following: (i) incidental, minor or reasonable physical contact or other actions designed to maintain order and control; (ii) reasonable and necessary force to quell a disturbance or remove a student from the scene of a disturbance that threatens physical injury to persons or damage to property; (iii) reasonable and necessary force to prevent a student from inflicting physical harm on himself; (iv) reasonable and necessary force for self-defense or the defense of others; or (v) reasonable and necessary force to obtain possession of weapons or other dangerous objects or controlled substances or associated paraphernalia that are upon the person of the student or within his control.
In determining whether a person was acting within the exceptions provided in this subsection, due deference shall be given to reasonable judgments that were made by a teacher, teacher aide, principal, assistant principal, guidance counselor, school security officer, school bus driver, or school bus aide at the time of the event.
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> Loudoun Native Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > raskull Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You should watch the video of the press
> > > conference. When Plowman says the deputies
> were
> > > "justified" in their actions, Sheriff Chapman
> > > looks down and you see his face cringe.
> Sheriff
> > > Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and his
> > body
> > > language shows it.
> > The triggerman is deputy foster. He'll get a
> > hero's welcome when he returns to duty. I hope
> > this eats him from the inside out for the rest
> of
> > his life.
>
> If we're lucky deputy foster will give his Glock a
> blowjob!
>
> If you read the report, there were 5 deputies at
> CostCo, 3 holstered their tazers BEFORE the
> situation was under control. That is not SOP in
> such a situation and is most likely a violation of
> policy! But this is Loudoun, deputies are NEVER
> disciplend when they violate policy or break the
> law BECAUSE THEY ANSWER TO AN elected OFFICIAL WHO
> CAN NOT BE FIRED OR REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY ANY ONE
> (he can be arrested, BUT only by a state or county
> coronor and no one else)!
>
> IN OTHER WORDS, DEPUTIES ANSWER TO NO ONE AND THEY
> KNOW THIS!
>
> In the Carlos Garcia case, Mr. Garcia was tackled
> to the ground by a deputy, knocked-out when his
> head hit the ground, then charged with assault on
> a deputy! WTF? The other deputies on the scene DID
> NOT report the charges against Mr. Garcia were
> false. IT IS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW FOR LAW
> ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS NOT REPORTING THAT CHARGES
> AGAINST A PERSON ARE FALSE! NO DEPUTY WAS EVER
> CHARGED OR FIRED! Loudoun needs to change to a
> poLICE department with a poLICE cheif who can be
> FIRED if officers get out of line!
Assault is also considered touching of the officer (or a person for that matter).
§ 18.2-57. Assault and battery.
A. Any person who commits a simple assault or assault and battery is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor, and if the person intentionally selects the person against whom a simple assault is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
B. However, if a person intentionally selects the person against whom an assault and battery resulting in bodily injury is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
C. In addition, if any person commits an assault or an assault and battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a judge, a magistrate, a law-enforcement officer as defined in subsection F, a correctional officer as defined in § 53.1-1, a person directly involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of inmates in the custody of the Department of Corrections or an employee of a local or regional correctional facility directly involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of inmates in the custody of the facility, a person directly involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of persons in the custody of or under the supervision of the Department of Juvenile Justice, an employee or other individual who provides control, care, or treatment of sexually violent predators committed to the custody of the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services, a firefighter as defined in § 65.2-102, or a volunteer firefighter or any emergency medical services personnel member who is employed by or is a volunteer of an emergency medical services agency or as a member of a bona fide volunteer fire department or volunteer emergency medical services agency, regardless of whether a resolution has been adopted by the governing body of a political subdivision recognizing such firefighters or emergency medical services personnel as employees, engaged in the performance of his public duties, such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and, upon conviction, the sentence of such person shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of six months.
Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to affect the right of any person charged with a violation of this section from asserting and presenting evidence in support of any defenses to the charge that may be available under common law.
D. In addition, if any person commits a battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a full-time or part-time teacher, principal, assistant principal, or guidance counselor of any public or private elementary or secondary school and is engaged in the performance of his duties as such, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor and the sentence of such person upon conviction shall include a sentence of 15 days in jail, two days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement. However, if the offense is committed by use of a firearm or other weapon prohibited on school property pursuant to § 18.2-308.1, the person shall serve a mandatory minimum sentence of confinement of six months.
E. In addition, any person who commits a battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such individual is a health care provider as defined in § 8.01-581.1 who is engaged in the performance of his duties as an emergency health care provider in an emergency room of a hospital or clinic or on the premises of any other facility rendering emergency medical care is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. The sentence of such person, upon conviction, shall include a term of confinement of 15 days in jail, two days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
F. As used in this section:
"Judge" means any justice or judge of a court of record of the Commonwealth including a judge designated under § 17.1-105, a judge under temporary recall under § 17.1-106, or a judge pro tempore under § 17.1-109, any member of the State Corporation Commission, or of the Virginia Workers' Compensation Commission, and any judge of a district court of the Commonwealth or any substitute judge of such district court.
"Law-enforcement officer" means any full-time or part-time employee of a police department or sheriff's office that is part of or administered by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof who is responsible for the prevention or detection of crime and the enforcement of the penal, traffic or highway laws of the Commonwealth, any conservation officer of the Department of Conservation and Recreation commissioned pursuant to § 10.1-115, any special agent of the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control, conservation police officers appointed pursuant to § 29.1-200, and full-time sworn members of the enforcement division of the Department of Motor Vehicles appointed pursuant to § 46.2-217, and such officer also includes jail officers in local and regional correctional facilities, all deputy sheriffs, whether assigned to law-enforcement duties, court services or local jail responsibilities, auxiliary police officers appointed or provided for pursuant to §§ 15.2-1731 and 15.2-1733, auxiliary deputy sheriffs appointed pursuant to § 15.2-1603, police officers of the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority pursuant to § 5.1-158, and fire marshals appointed pursuant to § 27-30 when such fire marshals have police powers as set out in §§ 27-34.2 and 27-34.2:1.
"School security officer" means an individual who is employed by the local school board for the purpose of maintaining order and discipline, preventing crime, investigating violations of school board policies and detaining persons violating the law or school board policies on school property, a school bus or at a school-sponsored activity and who is responsible solely for ensuring the safety, security and welfare of all students, faculty and staff in the assigned school.
G. "Simple assault" or "assault and battery" shall not be construed to include the use of, by any teacher, teacher aide, principal, assistant principal, guidance counselor, school security officer, school bus driver or school bus aide, while acting in the course and scope of his official capacity, any of the following: (i) incidental, minor or reasonable physical contact or other actions designed to maintain order and control; (ii) reasonable and necessary force to quell a disturbance or remove a student from the scene of a disturbance that threatens physical injury to persons or damage to property; (iii) reasonable and necessary force to prevent a student from inflicting physical harm on himself; (iv) reasonable and necessary force for self-defense or the defense of others; or (v) reasonable and necessary force to obtain possession of weapons or other dangerous objects or controlled substances or associated paraphernalia that are upon the person of the student or within his control.
In determining whether a person was acting within the exceptions provided in this subsection, due deference shall be given to reasonable judgments that were made by a teacher, teacher aide, principal, assistant principal, guidance counselor, school security officer, school bus driver, or school bus aide at the time of the event.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Raskull
()
Date: August 11, 2013 08:40AM
><<><><><>< Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Loudoun Native Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > You should watch the video of the press
> > > > conference. When Plowman says the deputies
> > were
> > > > "justified" in their actions, Sheriff
> Chapman
> > > > looks down and you see his face cringe.
> > Sheriff
> > > > Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and
> his
> > > body
> > > > language shows it.
> > > The triggerman is deputy foster. He'll get a
> > > hero's welcome when he returns to duty. I
> hope
> > > this eats him from the inside out for the
> rest
> > of
> > > his life.
> >
> > If we're lucky deputy foster will give his Glock
> a
> > blowjob!
> >
> > If you read the report, there were 5 deputies
> at
> > CostCo, 3 holstered their tazers BEFORE the
> > situation was under control. That is not SOP in
> > such a situation and is most likely a violation
> of
> > policy! But this is Loudoun, deputies are NEVER
> > disciplend when they violate policy or break
> the
> > law BECAUSE THEY ANSWER TO AN elected OFFICIAL
> WHO
> > CAN NOT BE FIRED OR REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY ANY
> ONE
> > (he can be arrested, BUT only by a state or
> county
> > coronor and no one else)!
> >
> > IN OTHER WORDS, DEPUTIES ANSWER TO NO ONE AND
> THEY
> > KNOW THIS!
> >
> > In the Carlos Garcia case, Mr. Garcia was
> tackled
> > to the ground by a deputy, knocked-out when his
> > head hit the ground, then charged with assault
> on
> > a deputy! WTF? The other deputies on the scene
> DID
> > NOT report the charges against Mr. Garcia were
> > false. IT IS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW FOR LAW
> > ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS NOT REPORTING THAT CHARGES
> > AGAINST A PERSON ARE FALSE! NO DEPUTY WAS EVER
> > CHARGED OR FIRED! Loudoun needs to change to a
> > poLICE department with a poLICE cheif who can
> be
> > FIRED if officers get out of line!
>
> Assault is also considered touching of the officer
> (or a person for that matter).
>
> § 18.2-57. Assault and battery.
>
> A. Any person who commits a simple assault or
> assault and battery is guilty of a Class 1
> misdemeanor, and if the person intentionally
> selects the person against whom a simple assault
> is committed because of his race, religious
> conviction, color or national origin, the penalty
> upon conviction shall include a term of
> confinement of at least six months, 30 days of
> which shall be a mandatory minimum term of
> confinement.
>
> B. However, if a person intentionally selects the
> person against whom an assault and battery
> resulting in bodily injury is committed because of
> his race, religious conviction, color or national
> origin, the person is guilty of a Class 6 felony,
> and the penalty upon conviction shall include a
> term of confinement of at least six months, 30
> days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of
> confinement.
>
> C. In addition, if any person commits an assault
> or an assault and battery against another knowing
> or having reason to know that such other person is
> a judge, a magistrate, a law-enforcement officer
> as defined in subsection F, a correctional officer
> as defined in § 53.1-1, a person directly
> involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of
> inmates in the custody of the Department of
> Corrections or an employee of a local or regional
> correctional facility directly involved in the
> care, treatment, or supervision of inmates in the
> custody of the facility, a person directly
> involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of
> persons in the custody of or under the supervision
> of the Department of Juvenile Justice, an employee
> or other individual who provides control, care, or
> treatment of sexually violent predators committed
> to the custody of the Department of Behavioral
> Health and Developmental Services, a firefighter
> as defined in § 65.2-102, or a volunteer
> firefighter or any emergency medical services
> personnel member who is employed by or is a
> volunteer of an emergency medical services agency
> or as a member of a bona fide volunteer fire
> department or volunteer emergency medical services
> agency, regardless of whether a resolution has
> been adopted by the governing body of a political
> subdivision recognizing such firefighters or
> emergency medical services personnel as employees,
> engaged in the performance of his public duties,
> such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and,
> upon conviction, the sentence of such person shall
> include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of
> six months.
>
> Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to
> affect the right of any person charged with a
> violation of this section from asserting and
> presenting evidence in support of any defenses to
> the charge that may be available under common law.
>
>
> D. In addition, if any person commits a battery
> against another knowing or having reason to know
> that such other person is a full-time or part-time
> teacher, principal, assistant principal, or
> guidance counselor of any public or private
> elementary or secondary school and is engaged in
> the performance of his duties as such, he is
> guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor and the sentence
> of such person upon conviction shall include a
> sentence of 15 days in jail, two days of which
> shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
> However, if the offense is committed by use of a
> firearm or other weapon prohibited on school
> property pursuant to § 18.2-308.1, the person
> shall serve a mandatory minimum sentence of
> confinement of six months.
>
> E. In addition, any person who commits a battery
> against another knowing or having reason to know
> that such individual is a health care provider as
> defined in § 8.01-581.1 who is engaged in the
> performance of his duties as an emergency health
> care provider in an emergency room of a hospital
> or clinic or on the premises of any other facility
> rendering emergency medical care is guilty of a
> Class 1 misdemeanor. The sentence of such person,
> upon conviction, shall include a term of
> confinement of 15 days in jail, two days of which
> shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
>
>
> F. As used in this section:
>
> "Judge" means any justice or judge of a court of
> record of the Commonwealth including a judge
> designated under § 17.1-105, a judge under
> temporary recall under § 17.1-106, or a judge pro
> tempore under § 17.1-109, any member of the State
> Corporation Commission, or of the Virginia
> Workers' Compensation Commission, and any judge of
> a district court of the Commonwealth or any
> substitute judge of such district court.
>
> "Law-enforcement officer" means any full-time or
> part-time employee of a police department or
> sheriff's office that is part of or administered
> by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision
> thereof who is responsible for the prevention or
> detection of crime and the enforcement of the
> penal, traffic or highway laws of the
> Commonwealth, any conservation officer of the
> Department of Conservation and Recreation
> commissioned pursuant to § 10.1-115, any special
> agent of the Department of Alcoholic Beverage
> Control, conservation police officers appointed
> pursuant to § 29.1-200, and full-time sworn
> members of the enforcement division of the
> Department of Motor Vehicles appointed pursuant to
> § 46.2-217, and such officer also includes jail
> officers in local and regional correctional
> facilities, all deputy sheriffs, whether assigned
> to law-enforcement duties, court services or local
> jail responsibilities, auxiliary police officers
> appointed or provided for pursuant to §§
> 15.2-1731 and 15.2-1733, auxiliary deputy sheriffs
> appointed pursuant to § 15.2-1603, police
> officers of the Metropolitan Washington Airports
> Authority pursuant to § 5.1-158, and fire
> marshals appointed pursuant to § 27-30 when such
> fire marshals have police powers as set out in
> §§ 27-34.2 and 27-34.2:1.
>
> "School security officer" means an individual who
> is employed by the local school board for the
> purpose of maintaining order and discipline,
> preventing crime, investigating violations of
> school board policies and detaining persons
> violating the law or school board policies on
> school property, a school bus or at a
> school-sponsored activity and who is responsible
> solely for ensuring the safety, security and
> welfare of all students, faculty and staff in the
> assigned school.
>
> G. "Simple assault" or "assault and battery" shall
> not be construed to include the use of, by any
> teacher, teacher aide, principal, assistant
> principal, guidance counselor, school security
> officer, school bus driver or school bus aide,
> while acting in the course and scope of his
> official capacity, any of the following: (i)
> incidental, minor or reasonable physical contact
> or other actions designed to maintain order and
> control; (ii) reasonable and necessary force to
> quell a disturbance or remove a student from the
> scene of a disturbance that threatens physical
> injury to persons or damage to property; (iii)
> reasonable and necessary force to prevent a
> student from inflicting physical harm on himself;
> (iv) reasonable and necessary force for
> self-defense or the defense of others; or (v)
> reasonable and necessary force to obtain
> possession of weapons or other dangerous objects
> or controlled substances or associated
> paraphernalia that are upon the person of the
> student or within his control.
>
> In determining whether a person was acting within
> the exceptions provided in this subsection, due
> deference shall be given to reasonable judgments
> that were made by a teacher, teacher aide,
> principal, assistant principal, guidance
> counselor, school security officer, school bus
> driver, or school bus aide at the time of the
> event.
You need to google Carlos Garcia, there's video all over the internet. The guy's standing there talking to another deputy and he's tackled to the ground by deputy terry daniel, then after he's cuffed the deputy steps on his head! Then he's charged with assault on the deputy who slammed him to the groud! Typical
-------------------------------------------------------
> Raskull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Loudoun Native Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > raskull Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > You should watch the video of the press
> > > > conference. When Plowman says the deputies
> > were
> > > > "justified" in their actions, Sheriff
> Chapman
> > > > looks down and you see his face cringe.
> > Sheriff
> > > > Chapman knows his deputies screwed-up and
> his
> > > body
> > > > language shows it.
> > > The triggerman is deputy foster. He'll get a
> > > hero's welcome when he returns to duty. I
> hope
> > > this eats him from the inside out for the
> rest
> > of
> > > his life.
> >
> > If we're lucky deputy foster will give his Glock
> a
> > blowjob!
> >
> > If you read the report, there were 5 deputies
> at
> > CostCo, 3 holstered their tazers BEFORE the
> > situation was under control. That is not SOP in
> > such a situation and is most likely a violation
> of
> > policy! But this is Loudoun, deputies are NEVER
> > disciplend when they violate policy or break
> the
> > law BECAUSE THEY ANSWER TO AN elected OFFICIAL
> WHO
> > CAN NOT BE FIRED OR REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY ANY
> ONE
> > (he can be arrested, BUT only by a state or
> county
> > coronor and no one else)!
> >
> > IN OTHER WORDS, DEPUTIES ANSWER TO NO ONE AND
> THEY
> > KNOW THIS!
> >
> > In the Carlos Garcia case, Mr. Garcia was
> tackled
> > to the ground by a deputy, knocked-out when his
> > head hit the ground, then charged with assault
> on
> > a deputy! WTF? The other deputies on the scene
> DID
> > NOT report the charges against Mr. Garcia were
> > false. IT IS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW FOR LAW
> > ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS NOT REPORTING THAT CHARGES
> > AGAINST A PERSON ARE FALSE! NO DEPUTY WAS EVER
> > CHARGED OR FIRED! Loudoun needs to change to a
> > poLICE department with a poLICE cheif who can
> be
> > FIRED if officers get out of line!
>
> Assault is also considered touching of the officer
> (or a person for that matter).
>
> § 18.2-57. Assault and battery.
>
> A. Any person who commits a simple assault or
> assault and battery is guilty of a Class 1
> misdemeanor, and if the person intentionally
> selects the person against whom a simple assault
> is committed because of his race, religious
> conviction, color or national origin, the penalty
> upon conviction shall include a term of
> confinement of at least six months, 30 days of
> which shall be a mandatory minimum term of
> confinement.
>
> B. However, if a person intentionally selects the
> person against whom an assault and battery
> resulting in bodily injury is committed because of
> his race, religious conviction, color or national
> origin, the person is guilty of a Class 6 felony,
> and the penalty upon conviction shall include a
> term of confinement of at least six months, 30
> days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of
> confinement.
>
> C. In addition, if any person commits an assault
> or an assault and battery against another knowing
> or having reason to know that such other person is
> a judge, a magistrate, a law-enforcement officer
> as defined in subsection F, a correctional officer
> as defined in § 53.1-1, a person directly
> involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of
> inmates in the custody of the Department of
> Corrections or an employee of a local or regional
> correctional facility directly involved in the
> care, treatment, or supervision of inmates in the
> custody of the facility, a person directly
> involved in the care, treatment, or supervision of
> persons in the custody of or under the supervision
> of the Department of Juvenile Justice, an employee
> or other individual who provides control, care, or
> treatment of sexually violent predators committed
> to the custody of the Department of Behavioral
> Health and Developmental Services, a firefighter
> as defined in § 65.2-102, or a volunteer
> firefighter or any emergency medical services
> personnel member who is employed by or is a
> volunteer of an emergency medical services agency
> or as a member of a bona fide volunteer fire
> department or volunteer emergency medical services
> agency, regardless of whether a resolution has
> been adopted by the governing body of a political
> subdivision recognizing such firefighters or
> emergency medical services personnel as employees,
> engaged in the performance of his public duties,
> such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and,
> upon conviction, the sentence of such person shall
> include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of
> six months.
>
> Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to
> affect the right of any person charged with a
> violation of this section from asserting and
> presenting evidence in support of any defenses to
> the charge that may be available under common law.
>
>
> D. In addition, if any person commits a battery
> against another knowing or having reason to know
> that such other person is a full-time or part-time
> teacher, principal, assistant principal, or
> guidance counselor of any public or private
> elementary or secondary school and is engaged in
> the performance of his duties as such, he is
> guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor and the sentence
> of such person upon conviction shall include a
> sentence of 15 days in jail, two days of which
> shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
> However, if the offense is committed by use of a
> firearm or other weapon prohibited on school
> property pursuant to § 18.2-308.1, the person
> shall serve a mandatory minimum sentence of
> confinement of six months.
>
> E. In addition, any person who commits a battery
> against another knowing or having reason to know
> that such individual is a health care provider as
> defined in § 8.01-581.1 who is engaged in the
> performance of his duties as an emergency health
> care provider in an emergency room of a hospital
> or clinic or on the premises of any other facility
> rendering emergency medical care is guilty of a
> Class 1 misdemeanor. The sentence of such person,
> upon conviction, shall include a term of
> confinement of 15 days in jail, two days of which
> shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.
>
>
> F. As used in this section:
>
> "Judge" means any justice or judge of a court of
> record of the Commonwealth including a judge
> designated under § 17.1-105, a judge under
> temporary recall under § 17.1-106, or a judge pro
> tempore under § 17.1-109, any member of the State
> Corporation Commission, or of the Virginia
> Workers' Compensation Commission, and any judge of
> a district court of the Commonwealth or any
> substitute judge of such district court.
>
> "Law-enforcement officer" means any full-time or
> part-time employee of a police department or
> sheriff's office that is part of or administered
> by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision
> thereof who is responsible for the prevention or
> detection of crime and the enforcement of the
> penal, traffic or highway laws of the
> Commonwealth, any conservation officer of the
> Department of Conservation and Recreation
> commissioned pursuant to § 10.1-115, any special
> agent of the Department of Alcoholic Beverage
> Control, conservation police officers appointed
> pursuant to § 29.1-200, and full-time sworn
> members of the enforcement division of the
> Department of Motor Vehicles appointed pursuant to
> § 46.2-217, and such officer also includes jail
> officers in local and regional correctional
> facilities, all deputy sheriffs, whether assigned
> to law-enforcement duties, court services or local
> jail responsibilities, auxiliary police officers
> appointed or provided for pursuant to §§
> 15.2-1731 and 15.2-1733, auxiliary deputy sheriffs
> appointed pursuant to § 15.2-1603, police
> officers of the Metropolitan Washington Airports
> Authority pursuant to § 5.1-158, and fire
> marshals appointed pursuant to § 27-30 when such
> fire marshals have police powers as set out in
> §§ 27-34.2 and 27-34.2:1.
>
> "School security officer" means an individual who
> is employed by the local school board for the
> purpose of maintaining order and discipline,
> preventing crime, investigating violations of
> school board policies and detaining persons
> violating the law or school board policies on
> school property, a school bus or at a
> school-sponsored activity and who is responsible
> solely for ensuring the safety, security and
> welfare of all students, faculty and staff in the
> assigned school.
>
> G. "Simple assault" or "assault and battery" shall
> not be construed to include the use of, by any
> teacher, teacher aide, principal, assistant
> principal, guidance counselor, school security
> officer, school bus driver or school bus aide,
> while acting in the course and scope of his
> official capacity, any of the following: (i)
> incidental, minor or reasonable physical contact
> or other actions designed to maintain order and
> control; (ii) reasonable and necessary force to
> quell a disturbance or remove a student from the
> scene of a disturbance that threatens physical
> injury to persons or damage to property; (iii)
> reasonable and necessary force to prevent a
> student from inflicting physical harm on himself;
> (iv) reasonable and necessary force for
> self-defense or the defense of others; or (v)
> reasonable and necessary force to obtain
> possession of weapons or other dangerous objects
> or controlled substances or associated
> paraphernalia that are upon the person of the
> student or within his control.
>
> In determining whether a person was acting within
> the exceptions provided in this subsection, due
> deference shall be given to reasonable judgments
> that were made by a teacher, teacher aide,
> principal, assistant principal, guidance
> counselor, school security officer, school bus
> driver, or school bus aide at the time of the
> event.
You need to google Carlos Garcia, there's video all over the internet. The guy's standing there talking to another deputy and he's tackled to the ground by deputy terry daniel, then after he's cuffed the deputy steps on his head! Then he's charged with assault on the deputy who slammed him to the groud! Typical
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Loudoun Native
()
Date: August 12, 2013 08:37AM
Another law enforcement/street gang that has lost the support of the public. Not far removed from the Peacekeepers in the Hunger Games.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
The Rumormill
()
Date: August 12, 2013 08:41AM
Jaco Wrote:
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> Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are cutting
> pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little
> wheel.
That's right, alot of people didn't understand that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife, not the little rolling kind.
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> Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are cutting
> pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little
> wheel.
That's right, alot of people didn't understand that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife, not the little rolling kind.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
T
()
Date: August 12, 2013 11:15AM
For the NBC 4 story: http://www.nbcwashington.com/video/#!/news/local/Results-From-Costco-Shooting-Investigation-Released/217832771.
I couldn't find a current story about the judgment on ABC 7's website. No time to dig too deeply to find it.
If it is legally justified to kill a crazy woman with a knife, then the law should change.
For the Carlos Garcia video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVN7s2pkkkI
Last whine: People, post links.
I couldn't find a current story about the judgment on ABC 7's website. No time to dig too deeply to find it.
If it is legally justified to kill a crazy woman with a knife, then the law should change.
For the Carlos Garcia video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVN7s2pkkkI
Last whine: People, post links.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
T
()
Date: August 12, 2013 11:18AM
BTW, I tried to post a link to the Fox 5 story too, but got a message from FU saying "A word you have used in your post has been banned from use. Please use a different word or contact the forum administrators."
Here's a partial of the link (without autostart):
For the Fox 5 News story about the judgment: http://www.myfoxdc.com/video?clipId=9150918.
Here's a partial of the link (without autostart):
For the Fox 5 News story about the judgment: http://www.myfoxdc.com/video?clipId=9150918.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
wGejd
()
Date: August 12, 2013 02:14PM
The Rumormill Wrote:
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> Jaco Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are
> cutting
> > pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little
> > wheel.
>
> That's right, alot of people didn't understand
> that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife, not the
> little rolling kind.
WE do not care if she had a fucking 9 foot spear! There was NO NEED to kill this person, it was a botched job by the police and was criminal.
The police officer should be held accountable for their actions...how quickly they forget that the are paid to PROTECT and SERVE, not over react and be trigger-happy.
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> Jaco Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are
> cutting
> > pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little
> > wheel.
>
> That's right, alot of people didn't understand
> that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife, not the
> little rolling kind.
WE do not care if she had a fucking 9 foot spear! There was NO NEED to kill this person, it was a botched job by the police and was criminal.
The police officer should be held accountable for their actions...how quickly they forget that the are paid to PROTECT and SERVE, not over react and be trigger-happy.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Raskull
()
Date: August 19, 2013 12:45PM
wGejd Wrote:
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> The Rumormill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jaco Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are
> > cutting
> > > pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little
> > > wheel.
> >
> > That's right, alot of people didn't understand
> > that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife, not
> the
> > little rolling kind.
>
>
> WE do not care if she had a fucking 9 foot spear!
> There was NO NEED to kill this person, it was a
> botched job by the police and was criminal.
>
> The police officer should be held accountable for
> their actions...how quickly they forget that the
> are paid to PROTECT and SERVE, not over react and
> be trigger-happy.
It wasn't a poLICE officer (who answers to a poLICE chief, who answers to elected officials who can FIRE the poLICE chief if his officers do something wrong) that murdered this mentally ill woman.
It was a deputy sheriff who answers to an ELECTED official, who can only be removed from office every 4 years by the voters. The deputies in Loudoun understand this very well and know they can get away with anything.
Click the link above in "T"s post to see Carlos Garcia get assaulted by a deputy (who was cleared of all wrong doing by LCSO). Funny thing is Mr.Garcia was charged with assaulting the deputy who violently slams him to the ground, his head hits the ground and then the deputy steps on his head after he's cuffed!
Welcome to te Peoples RepubliK of Loudoun County!
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> The Rumormill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jaco Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are
> > cutting
> > > pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little
> > > wheel.
> >
> > That's right, alot of people didn't understand
> > that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife, not
> the
> > little rolling kind.
>
>
> WE do not care if she had a fucking 9 foot spear!
> There was NO NEED to kill this person, it was a
> botched job by the police and was criminal.
>
> The police officer should be held accountable for
> their actions...how quickly they forget that the
> are paid to PROTECT and SERVE, not over react and
> be trigger-happy.
It wasn't a poLICE officer (who answers to a poLICE chief, who answers to elected officials who can FIRE the poLICE chief if his officers do something wrong) that murdered this mentally ill woman.
It was a deputy sheriff who answers to an ELECTED official, who can only be removed from office every 4 years by the voters. The deputies in Loudoun understand this very well and know they can get away with anything.
Click the link above in "T"s post to see Carlos Garcia get assaulted by a deputy (who was cleared of all wrong doing by LCSO). Funny thing is Mr.Garcia was charged with assaulting the deputy who violently slams him to the ground, his head hits the ground and then the deputy steps on his head after he's cuffed!
Welcome to te Peoples RepubliK of Loudoun County!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Raskull
()
Date: October 26, 2013 08:32PM
UPDATE;
In my case, 2 deputies were fired for violation of department policy.
In my case, 2 deputies were fired for violation of department policy.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
asdfasdfasdfasd
()
Date: October 27, 2013 04:53AM
Raskull Wrote:
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> UPDATE;
> In my case, 2 deputies were fired for violation of
> department policy.
You're case only right? Not related to this shooting?
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> UPDATE;
> In my case, 2 deputies were fired for violation of
> department policy.
You're case only right? Not related to this shooting?
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Kojak
()
Date: October 27, 2013 10:17AM
wGejd Wrote:
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> The Rumormill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jaco Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are
> > cutting
> > > pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little
> > > wheel.
> >
> > That's right, alot of people didn't understand
> > that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife, not
> the
> > little rolling kind.
>
>
> WE do not care if she had a fucking 9 foot spear!
> There was NO NEED to kill this person, it was a
> botched job by the police and was criminal.
>
> The police officer should be held accountable for
> their actions...how quickly they forget that the
> are paid to PROTECT and SERVE, not over react and
> be trigger-happy.
The store should have been evacuated, let her have her hobo fit, pepper spray her, when she dropped the so called weapon to rub her eyes, BUM RUSH HER. There is no justification possible for shooting a 4' 9" in middle aged lady.
I don't care what they say their training has taught them to do. Their training system has a flaw, just like their taser. She should still be alive!
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> The Rumormill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jaco Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are
> > cutting
> > > pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull little
> > > wheel.
> >
> > That's right, alot of people didn't understand
> > that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife, not
> the
> > little rolling kind.
>
>
> WE do not care if she had a fucking 9 foot spear!
> There was NO NEED to kill this person, it was a
> botched job by the police and was criminal.
>
> The police officer should be held accountable for
> their actions...how quickly they forget that the
> are paid to PROTECT and SERVE, not over react and
> be trigger-happy.
The store should have been evacuated, let her have her hobo fit, pepper spray her, when she dropped the so called weapon to rub her eyes, BUM RUSH HER. There is no justification possible for shooting a 4' 9" in middle aged lady.
I don't care what they say their training has taught them to do. Their training system has a flaw, just like their taser. She should still be alive!
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
who cares
()
Date: October 27, 2013 10:24AM
you dont bring pepper spray to a knife fight. using spray means you have to be pretty close to a person, under the 21 foot rule. she made her choice, and is dead. get over it, nothing is going to happen. the officers were justified with their use of force and their training. its easy to second guess what you think should of been done when your not a cop, or ever been in a life threatening situation. just a bunch of back seat drivers.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
what galaxy do you live in
()
Date: October 27, 2013 04:59PM
Kojak Wrote:
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> wGejd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Rumormill Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Jaco Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are
> > > cutting
> > > > pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull
> little
> > > > wheel.
> > >
> > > That's right, alot of people didn't
> understand
> > > that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife,
> not
> > the
> > > little rolling kind.
> >
> >
> > WE do not care if she had a fucking 9 foot
> spear!
> > There was NO NEED to kill this person, it was a
> > botched job by the police and was criminal.
> >
> > The police officer should be held accountable
> for
> > their actions...how quickly they forget that
> the
> > are paid to PROTECT and SERVE, not over react
> and
> > be trigger-happy.
>
>
> The store should have been evacuated, let her have
> her hobo fit, pepper spray her, when she dropped
> the so called weapon to rub her eyes, BUM RUSH
> HER. There is no justification possible for
> shooting a 4' 9" in middle aged lady.
> I don't care what they say their training has
> taught them to do. Their training system has a
> flaw, just like their taser. She should still be
> alive!
Ya.. just like there wouldn't be any justification for killing a 12 year old that brought a gun to school and began killing teachers, your bus is leaving now for fantasy island
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> wGejd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Rumormill Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Jaco Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Nice "pizza cutter"! Just because you are
> > > cutting
> > > > pizza with it doesn't mean it's a dull
> little
> > > > wheel.
> > >
> > > That's right, alot of people didn't
> understand
> > > that the "Pizza cutter" was a large knife,
> not
> > the
> > > little rolling kind.
> >
> >
> > WE do not care if she had a fucking 9 foot
> spear!
> > There was NO NEED to kill this person, it was a
> > botched job by the police and was criminal.
> >
> > The police officer should be held accountable
> for
> > their actions...how quickly they forget that
> the
> > are paid to PROTECT and SERVE, not over react
> and
> > be trigger-happy.
>
>
> The store should have been evacuated, let her have
> her hobo fit, pepper spray her, when she dropped
> the so called weapon to rub her eyes, BUM RUSH
> HER. There is no justification possible for
> shooting a 4' 9" in middle aged lady.
> I don't care what they say their training has
> taught them to do. Their training system has a
> flaw, just like their taser. She should still be
> alive!
Ya.. just like there wouldn't be any justification for killing a 12 year old that brought a gun to school and began killing teachers, your bus is leaving now for fantasy island
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
ricky
()
Date: October 28, 2013 02:05PM
why are people who go to costco so crazy always shooting people and shit
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
De Plane! De Plane!
()
Date: October 28, 2013 02:27PM
what galaxy do you live in Wrote:
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> Ya.. just like there wouldn't be any justification
> for killing a 12 year old that brought a gun to
> school and began killing teachers, your bus is
> leaving now for fantasy island
+100
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> Ya.. just like there wouldn't be any justification
> for killing a 12 year old that brought a gun to
> school and began killing teachers, your bus is
> leaving now for fantasy island
+100
Attachments:
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
Deputy Foster
()
Date: May 28, 2015 05:36PM
costco Wrote:
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> A co-worker just told me there is an active
> shooter at the Costco in Sterling.
Yeah it was a cop.
2 year bump.
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> A co-worker just told me there is an active
> shooter at the Costco in Sterling.
Yeah it was a cop.
2 year bump.
Re: Shooter at Costco in Sterling?
Posted by:
causeican
()
Date: May 28, 2015 08:02PM
cops are bored Wrote:
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> These suburban cops are just plain bored and
> unprepared when a crime actually occurs.
>
> Seriously, this woman could not have been
> restrained somehow?
>
> They had to shoot and kill her?
>
> Ridiculous.
>
> Reminds me of the kid at IHOP killed for skipping
> out on his bill.
I think this might be true. I’ve thought it several times just by the sheer number that show up for minor incidents. Enough to make you laugh. They look silly.
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> These suburban cops are just plain bored and
> unprepared when a crime actually occurs.
>
> Seriously, this woman could not have been
> restrained somehow?
>
> They had to shoot and kill her?
>
> Ridiculous.
>
> Reminds me of the kid at IHOP killed for skipping
> out on his bill.
I think this might be true. I’ve thought it several times just by the sheer number that show up for minor incidents. Enough to make you laugh. They look silly.