Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The difference is after hours and hours of
> research you would find your statistics
> wrong...and mine true. So feel free to do all the
> research you want. ANd do you know how I know Im
> right...because people are people...illegals are
> no different then you me..or your grandmother!

Not quite Vince. When my grandmother came to this country, she came legally, used her own name and legal work papers to obtain lawful employment and wasn't entitled to any benfits or services because immigration then (and now) require the Sponsor pick up that tab.

Illegal aliens however hold their hands out for a plethora of benefits and services. With all that money being doled out to illegal aliens, one has to wonder just what the workers are spending their money on - obviously it is not to "take care of their families."

Illegal aliens on the other hand - who work and collect a regular paycheck with taxes withheld ARE criminals. They have falsified goverment documents and stolen the identity of another. According to the Immigration laws, this is a deportable offense.

It really doesn't take a lot of research to see that:

Illegal aliens can not survive without govenrment handouts

They are NOT here JUST to work and take care of their families

They will lie, cheat and steal in a heartbeat to take money from Americans in need.

They will lie, cheat and steal to take jobs from Americans.

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In a nutshell. If they all left tomorrow, state budget deficits would be reduced significantly classrooms would return to normal size with English as the primary language spoken in the non-language classes; hospitals wouldn't be taking a major hit everytime an illegal alien whore dropped another kid (with the father and his wallet no where to be found, and the job market would open up for American workers ... at American wages.

The only ones who would be hurt by the disappearance of illegal aliens would be people like you who want to keep them around to exploit them to do work around your house cheap, letting the rest of the tax payers pick up the tab.

And then, the best part of all is when you profess to be such an ardent supporter yet you are making it very clear that they are nothing but cheap labor to you and nothing more - heck, Vince, you won't even dig into your pocket and sponsor one. It just shows how cheap and deceitful you really are. You are the epitome of hypocrisy.

JUnes...approxiamely what year did your grandmother immigrate to this country and how long did she live? If she is like my grandparents she was here during the social security roll out...she was issued a card that "guaranteed" her a safety net in old age. Sounds like a hand out to me. Maybe your grandmother immigrated legally..maybe not...how exactly do you know?

The rest of your speal is just your typical hate speak. Let me ask you this...in your world..if all the illegals just left....who would you turn your hate on to next?

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The rest of your speal is just your typical hate
> speak. Let me ask you this...in your world..if
> all the illegals just left....who would you turn
> your hate on to next?

Do you think bleating about 'hate' is a good substitute for a real argument?

confuse us? Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> >
> > The rest of your speal is just your typical
> hate
> > speak. Let me ask you this...in your world..if
> > all the illegals just left....who would you
> turn
> > your hate on to next?
>
> Do you think bleating about 'hate' is a good
> substitute for a real argument?


she wouldnt believe anything I found to refute her hate talk any way. Why dont you ask her why all she can do is spout out stereotypestaements that have been used to describe the latest groups to hate for the last 50 years?

Here...a 2 minute search I found this...just watch as Junes proceeds to ignore the facts...

RAND STUDY SHOWS RELATIVELY LITTLE PUBLIC MONEY SPENT
PROVIDING HEALTH CARE TO UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS

Just a small fraction of America's health care spending is used to provide publicly supported care to the nation's undocumented immigrants, according to a RAND Corporation study issued today.

Overall, immigrants to the United States use relatively few health services, primarily because they are generally healthier than their American-born counterparts, according to the study by the nonprofit research organization.

The report – which appears in the November edition of the journal Health Affairs – estimates that in the United States about $1.1 billion in federal, state and local government funds are spent annually on health care for undocumented immigrants aged 18 to 64. That amounts to an average of $11 in taxes for each U.S. household.

In contrast, a total of $88 billion in government funds were spent on health care for all non-elderly adults in 2000.

“Our findings show a relatively small amount of tax money is spent on health services provided to undocumented immigrants,” said James P. Smith, the RAND chair in Labor Market and Demographic Studies and an author of the report. “Costs will be much higher for educating the children of undocumented immigrants, so that's where debate should center, not on these relatively small health care costs.”

The other authors of the new report are: Dana Goldman, chair and director of health economics at RAND; and Neeraj Sood, an associate economist at RAND.

Smith also was an author of the often-cited National Academy of Science publication on immigration titled “The New Americans.”

The estimates of public spending on medical care for undocumented immigrants are included in a RAND study that examined the patterns of health care use by the foreign-born and those born in the United States. The study provides the most detailed analysis to date of immigrants and their use of health services.

Researchers developed their estimates by analyzing information collected by the Los Angeles Family Neighborhood Study (LAFANS), which interviewed nearly 2,400 English- and Spanish-speaking adults throughout Los Angeles County during 2000 and 2001. Los Angeles has the largest immigrant community in the United States.

Participants in the LAFANS study were asked about their health status, whether they had health insurance, and the type and amount of health care used. The study is unique because it also asks participants about their immigration status – information not collected by other surveys.

Researchers found that non-elderly, adult immigrants – those who are legal and those who are undocumented – made fewer visits to doctors and hospitals than native-born non-elderly adults. Although the foreign-born make up 45 percent of the Los Angeles County's population, they accounted for just 33 percent of the region's health spending in 2000, according to the study.

A large number of foreign-born residents of Los Angeles County had almost no contact with the formal health care system, researchers found. One-quarter of the foreign-born had never had a medical check-up and one in nine had never visited a doctor – twice the rate seen among the native-born. Only 58 percent of undocumented immigrants had visited a doctor in the past year and only 11 percent had been hospitalized in the past two years.

Among undocumented men, just 2 percent had any hospitalizations in the prior year. Half had not seen a doctor in the prior year.

One of every five undocumented women had never received a checkup – four times the rate seen among native-born women – and 7 percent had never seen a physician, compared with 1 percent of native-born women.

“The lower use of medical services by immigrants is driven in part by their lower rates of insurance,” Goldman said. “But the largest factor appears to be due to their being generally healthier than the native-born population.”

Foreign-born people in the LAFANS survey reported fewer health problems, an advantage that was especially pronounced among the undocumented. For example, while 38 percent of the native-born reported having a chronic health condition, only 27 percent of the foreign-born and 19 percent of the undocumented did so.

Researchers say some of the differences may be explained by the younger age of immigrants and a lower rate of diagnosis caused by their limited access to doctors and other health services. But even when those factors are considered, immigrants appear healthier than the native born.

“This suggests that the act of immigrating to the United States favors those who are generally healthier and may discourage those who have chronic health problems,” said study co-author Sood.

Researchers computed estimates of health costs by immigration status by combining information about an individual's use of health services with studies that estimate the cost of individual health services.

The study found that per capita health care spending by foreign-born men in Los Angeles County in 2000 was $1,086 less than by native-born men ($1,540 compared with $2,626), with most of the difference due to lower spending by private and public insurers for the foreign-born. Similar trends were seen among women.

Among the foreign-born, per-person health costs were highest among immigrant citizens. Per- person medical spending for undocumented men and women was 39 percent and 54 percent of the spending of their native-born counterparts.

The authors estimate that total medical costs for all Los Angeles County residents ages 18 to 64 was $13.9 billion in 2000, with private insurers paying a bit more than half the costs and public insurers a little more than one-fourth the costs. The remainder was paid for out of pocket.

Researchers estimate that total medical spending on undocumented immigrants in Los Angeles County was $887 million in 2000 – 6 percent of total costs, although undocumented immigrants comprise 12 percent of the region's residents.

Most of the costs for undocumented immigrants' health care were covered by private insurance or out-of-pocket payments, but an estimate $204 million was for publicly supported services. The study found that native-born residents were more likely to use publicly funded services than foreign-born residents.

In the new RAND study, national estimates of health care costs for the foreign-born were obtained by applying the experiences from Los Angeles County across the nation, where the foreign-born are 13.1 percent of the population and undocumented immigrants are an estimated 3.2 percent of the population.

Of the $429 billion spent on health care nationally for non-elderly adults during 2000, researchers estimate that $37 billion was spent on the foreign born – 8.5 percent of the total costs. The study estimates $6.5 billion was spent on undocumented immigrants, with $1.1 billion coming from publicly supported health services.

Support for the study was provided by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation through its support of the Economic Research Initiative on the Uninsured at the University of Michigan.

The study was conducted by RAND Labor and Population, which examines issues involving U.S. labor markets, the demographics of families and children, social welfare policy, the social and economic functioning of the elderly, and economic and social change in developing countries.

Why spend a single penny on illegal immigrants?

hmmm .... I don't think that a study conducted with the year 2000 costs comes even close to reflecting the 2008 costs. But you get an A for effort.

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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> >
> > The rest of your speal is just your typical
> hate
> > speak. Let me ask you this...in your world..if
> > all the illegals just left....who would you
> turn
> > your hate on to next?
>
> Do you think bleating about 'hate' is a good
> substitute for a real argument?

He has no facts to argue with - name calling is all he has! That's why no one takes him seriously. He makes the stuff up as he goes along.

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> she wouldnt believe anything I found to refute her
> hate talk any way.

Vince, all you've offered are opinions and pretty warped ones at that. That's hardly refute worthy.

You've already told us the only reason you like the illegals is because they do work around your house CHEAP! And, as far as you're concerned, none of them are worth your sponsorship.

Oh Vince, Vince, Vince. You really track your reports. Your This Rand Report is outdated and published as part of California’s Newsletter when . Yet just this month, the Sacramento Board of Supervisors voted to cut off all non-urgent health care to illegal aliens with expectations of saving $2.4million. This is just ONE County in California.

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Like many counties throughout California, Sacramento’s public clinics offer illegal aliens free medical care at an annual cost of millions of dollars. Sacramento County had five such clinics but two were closed as a result of the budget crunch and the remaining three will check for the immigration status of all patients.

The move, approved 3-2 by the Board of Supervisors, is expected to save the ailing county about $2.4 million dollars. With a population of around 1.4 million, Sacramento County is California’s prime agricultural region which for years has benefited from the cheap labor of illegal immigrants and lax enforcement of immigration laws.

A substantial chunk of the Golden State’s estimated 3 million illegal immigrants live in the region and benefit from the county’s 16 public school districts, generous medical care and an array of other taxpayer-financed benefits.
Providing free medical care for illegal immigrants has consistently been one of the state’s largest expenses, an annual cost of $775 million according to a recent news report which cited a legislative analysis.

California also spends $4 billion a year to educate illegal aliens, $970 million to incarcerate them and about $500 million on other welfare benefits


Virginia tax payers pay $17.6M a year into a Health Care Safety Network which includes illegal aliens. Fairfax County Tax Payers pay $1.7M for Kaiser enrollment, which includes illegal aliens.


And the stats from these reports are in REAL TIME!

Like I said...even when faced with facts Junes hatred has her blind to anything but what she wants to hear.

What does the fact that Sacramento County has decided to cut off illegals have anything to do with facts? There are even more idiots like yourself in CA then here. The real result of their decision will only result in more emergency medical conditions showing up in the Emergency Room. But you really dont care about that do you Junes?

So what that VA tax payers pay $17.6m for a health care safety net! Are you proposing doing away with it all together? I am sure 95% of the money in that fund is spent on US citizens....it might come a s ashock Junes...but it isnt just illegals that need a safety net.

Juneessss....dont forget illegals do pay taxes...the education they recieve is pennies compared to the sales...real estate and income taxes they pay. Education is the best investment any society can make. It is folley to think you can skimp on education and have a prosperious and just socitey. If we don't educate these people then we have among us people who can't get along in society, creating a great underclass, and if you think education is expensive, try ignorance...but then again you are an expert in ignorance.


You are one very sick individual.



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Vince,


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."



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Oh Vince, you poor deluded creature.

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> Oh Vince, you poor deluded creature.

im pretty sure he looks something like this...


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Attachments:

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/161191.html

Junes...you might beinterested in the thread. So far at least it makes my point very well.



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Vince you are being trolled hard

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/16
> 1191.html
>
> Junes...you might beinterested in the thread. So
> far at least it makes my point very well.

Vince, there's a guy like you on another forum. He goes out and finds an internet article that comes close to his point of view without even bothering to check the source - in this case, reason for the study, or the effects on the population after the study.

Vince, if you had done you're homework once in a while rather than smacking into brick walls all the time, you would have known that the Rand Study you sited was commissioned by a CA group to be pubished in an annual newsletter. Thus the significance of the Sacramento County decision to bar illegal aliens from receiving tax funded non-urgent health care.

NOTE: Hospitals and ERs nationwide are required to treat urgent care patients only and reject all others - regardless of whether they have the ability to pay.

your comment about illegals building your deck and doing other work around your house for 1/4 the cost of a legitimate (licensed and bonded) business, speaks volumes of your TRUE FEELINGS about illegal aliens and their limited worth.

Your comment that Fairfax County tax payers should be grateful to pay $1.7M into a health care safety net that includes illegal aliens (rather than E-Verify them out of the program) speaks volumes of you opportunist nature.

That you actually condone diverting tax payer funds from SCHIP (intended to provide health care for needy children) to a program that provides pre-natal care for illegal aliens tells us quite a bit about how you REALLY feel about the needy children in VA.

For every illegal alien who receives a tax-funded benefit or service, one less American does not. For every homeowner or business that hires an illegal aliens (and most likely does not give a 1099 or withhold taxes) that is one less job for an American.

If its any comfort Vince, you are in good company. Nearly all those Verizon cable trenches were dug by Verizon Contractor illegal aliens picked up in Herndon and Vienna. i.e. Verizon feels just like you - hire cheap and illegal without benefits or tax withholdings and stick it to the consumers and tax payers.

Dear Junes...I also get great comfort in seeing the issue of illegals on the back burner of american politics where it belongs. I am sure it will raise it's ugly head again as politicians try and divert the weak of mind away from the important issues of today to the emotional, populist and hateful issues of the day.

Oh Vince, I repeat - you poor deluded creature.

Gravis Wrote:
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> Junes Wrote:
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> > Oh Vince, you poor deluded creature.
>
> im pretty sure he looks something like this...

Put a sombrero on him, and you're dead on.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

to be honest, I dont' know which side of the debate I'm on....

however, I know the illegal aliens problem in Fairfax County will never be solved.

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> to be honest, I dont' know which side of the
> debate I'm on....
>
> however, I know the illegal aliens problem in
> Fairfax County will never be solved.


Of course it can be solved - quick, easily and at no cost to the tax payers - with E-Verify.

Unfortunately, Connolly promised all those contractors cheap "under-the-table" labor for the metro Stimulus contracts if they helped put him in Congress. He still has enough power over the sitting Supervisors to make sure they don't go the way of PWC. He has to, if he doesn't back up his promises, he will lose his seat in Congress after the first term and never be able to run for office again. I doubt SAIC would even take him back.

In case you havent noticed...Junes is a little "obsessed" with Connolly and illegals.

In case you havent noticed...Junes is a little "obsessed" with Connolly and illegals.

And you're not?

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> In case you havent noticed...Junes is a little
> "obsessed" with Connolly and illegals.
>
> And you're not?

Well...yes on illiegals...I dont think so on Connolly. Yes I voted for him...but 80% because he is a democrat that supports other issues such as fertility privacy.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > well...I think it is debateable that the cons
> > > outweigh the pros. For hundreds of years one
> > of
> > > the major driving force of the Amerikan
> economy
> > > and culture has been our immigrants. And
> > during
> > > that time they have always been scapegoats.
> I
> > > think that very little has changed over that
> > > course of time.
> > >
> > > I am not alone in this opinion....
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.anla.org/applications/PressReleases/rel
>
> >
> > > eases/0118.htm
> > >
> > > As far as the issue of illegals goes...I
> > beleive
> > > they come here for a couple of reasons...the
> > vast
> > > majority (80%), to work hard and to work
> > honestly)
> > > and there must be a need or there wouldnt be
> > jobs
> > > for them to fill. 15% come here to fill the
> > never
> > > ending Amerikan thirst for mind altering
> drugs.
> > I
> > > would suggest we legalize the majority of
> these
> > > drugs thus eliminating this reason to
> illegally
> > > immigrate....5% come here to take advantage
> of
> > us
> > > in any way they can. I admit all my
> > percentages
> > > are just my opinion.
> >
> > i love how you pulled bull shit percentages out
> of
> > your ass... where is the poll you got your
> > statistics from.... and how/why would an
> illegal
> > resident respond to it?
> >
> > "I admit all my percentages
> > > are just my opinion."
> >
> > oh... thats where... well heres some personal
> > statistics i have for you ... 99% of illegal
> > immigrants are criminals, and 1% are drug
> > dealers.. see i can pull shit out of my ass to
> > support my claims too.
>
> The difference is after hours and hours of
> research you would find your statistics
> wrong...and mine true. So feel free to do all the
> research you want. ANd do you know how I know Im
> right...because people are people...illegals are
> no different then you me..or your grandmother!


you said after hours of research that i would find your statistics right, and mine are wrong.... then why did you admit that you made up the statistics, instead of spending "hours and hours" finding the right ones? And on that topic, how would you even find statistics to support your claims? What agency is going around polling illegal immagrants? or do they just get the opinions of legal hispanic immagrants and post them for the illegals? you are using too much sympathy/empathy and too little logic... the truth is somewhere in the middle there- but you clearly wont ever find it.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Here...a 2 minute search I found this...just watch
> as Junes proceeds to ignore the facts...
>
> RAND STUDY SHOWS RELATIVELY LITTLE PUBLIC MONEY
> SPENT
> PROVIDING HEALTH CARE TO UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS
ok... and heres another study- it is JUST for the state of California... they spend 10.8 BILLION dollars a year on illegals for health care... usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

oh... and heres another one that says we spend almost 100 billion dollars a year nation wide on them
www.firesociety.com/forum/thread/25003/Illegal-Aliens-Cost-Americans-More-Than-Taxes/

seriously dude. stop pulling shit out of your ass.

i respect what the illegal immigrants are trying to do for their familys and build a better life here in America but what i dont respect is them expecting to be able to build a better life by breaking one of our laws just to get into this country and hurting the country because they wont get into it legally i think that what they are trying to do is great but they should get into the country legally and they should pay taxes and do everything that a normal citizen would do if they want to make a better life for themselves and their families

jacob Wrote:
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> i respect what the illegal immigrants are trying
> to do for their familys and build a better life
> here in America but what i dont respect is them
> expecting to be able to build a better life by
> breaking one of our laws just to get into this
> country and hurting the country because they wont
> get into it legally i think that what they are
> trying to do is great but they should get into the
> country legally and they should pay taxes and do
> everything that a normal citizen would do if they
> want to make a better life for themselves and
> their families


Which family Jacob? They abandon their families back home to hook up with the illegals here and make illegitimate anchor babies with perks and then collect all the benefits and services.

When they get deported, they kick the American born kids to the curb (they're no use to them back home) and climb aboard the plane.

If you want to know what the illegals are REALLY "trying to do for their families," call the El Salvador Embassy and ask how many calls they get from families who haven't heard from their husbands, brothers or fathers for months - the families they supposedly are trying to take care of.

Illegal aliens are users. They could care less about taking care of their families - here or back home. All they care about are the benefits and services that come with the "perk kids."

illegal alien women are filling out the forms at the hospital for federal, state and local benefits and services within hours after giving birth (the bill of course is paid by the tax payers).

Ironically, while American dead beat dads are tossed in jail for failing to pay child support, illegal aliens are given a pass and the mothers are compensated with a plethora of benefits and services ranging from housing to health care (Kaiser).

Oh Jacob, they certainly have figured out to make a better life for THEMSELVES - at the expense of the tax payers. They could care less about the kids they make. The kids are just a means to get their hands on the money.



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Junes Wrote:
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> jacob Wrote:
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> > i respect what the illegal immigrants are
> trying
> > to do for their familys and build a better life
> > here in America but what i dont respect is them
> > expecting to be able to build a better life by
> > breaking one of our laws just to get into this
> > country and hurting the country because they
> wont
> > get into it legally i think that what they are
> > trying to do is great but they should get into
> the
> > country legally and they should pay taxes and
> do
> > everything that a normal citizen would do if
> they
> > want to make a better life for themselves and
> > their families
>
>
> Which family Jacob? They abandon their families
> back home to hook up with the illegals here and
> make illegitimate anchor babies with perks and
> then collect all the benefits and services.
>
> When they get deported, they kick the American
> born kids to the curb (they're no use to them back
> home) and climb aboard the plane.
>
> If you want to know what the illegals are REALLY
> "trying to do for their families," call the El
> Salvador Embassy and ask how many calls they get
> from families who haven't heard from their
> husbands, brothers or fathers for months - the
> families they supposedly are trying to take care
> of.
>
> Illegal aliens are users. They could care less
> about taking care of their families - here or back
> home. All they care about are the benefits and
> services that come with the "perk kids."
>
> illegal alien women are filling out the forms at
> the hospital for federal, state and local benefits
> and services within hours after giving birth (the
> bill of course is paid by the tax payers).
>
> Ironically, while American dead beat dads are
> tossed in jail for failing to pay child support,
> illegal aliens are given a pass and the mothers
> are compensated with a plethora of benefits and
> services ranging from housing to health care
> (Kaiser).
>
> Oh Jacob, they certainly have figured out to make
> a better life for THEMSELVES - at the expense of
> the tax payers. They could care less about the
> kids they make. The kids are just a means to get
> their hands on the money.


i dont know if i share this view on immigrants, but im gonna give you a cyber fist bump for being on the same side of the argument with me.

Here's another fine immigrant from El Salvador

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/04/warrant-filed-in-levy-case-accomplices-possible/

I noticed The Washington Times is the only paper willing to call Senior Guandique an illegal. Why are all of the major new outlets calling him an immigrant, which IMO would convey legal status to a reader. This country was built on calling a spade a spade.

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> >
> > im pretty sure he looks something like this...
>
> Put a sombrero on him, and you're dead on.

sorry for the delay.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> > >
> > > im pretty sure he looks something like
> this...
> >
> > Put a sombrero on him, and you're dead on.
>
> sorry for the delay.


lol, i love you meph... totally in a gay way though

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>
> i dont know if i share this view on immigrants,
> but im gonna give you a cyber fist bump for being
> on the same side of the argument with me.

Illegal aliens are not (legal) Immigrants. Putting them in the same category as legal immigrants is a slap in the face to every immigrant (and their sponsors) who played by the rules.

Illegals are liars, cheats and thieves. They will tell you they are only here to work, why they steal local,state and federal coffers blind of every service available - under their assumed or real name.

They serve no useful purpose to anyone except businesses who bought and paid for the right to cheap and illegal labor by supporting like-thinking politicians.

God bless all illegals...they work hard...dont complain...pay taxes and want to pay more!

Junes is a racist! Idrather have an illegal as a neighbor then hurt hate filled ass.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> God bless all illegals...they work hard...dont
> complain...pay taxes and want to pay more!
>
> Junes is a racist! Idrather have an illegal as a
> neighbor then hurt hate filled ass.


Where DO you get this stuff from Vince? Did you withhold taxes for the illegals who did all that work around your house? I bet you didn't!!!! ;0D

I'm willing to place a virtual bet with anyone here that you don't live anywhere near an illegal alien and would be at the front of the line to run them off if they tried to move into your neighborhood.

Vince,
This will probably blow your mind,but it is possible to oppose illegal immigration without being a racist.

Just a heads up.

Every time Vince hires an illegal alien "off the books" (because we all know he does not withhold taxes or submit a 1099), he takes a job a way from a tax paying American ... and ... takes food from the mouths of their children.

Vince would have us believe that illegal aliens WANT to pay taxes, yet by hiring them “off the books,” he denies them that right – a right he claims they so desperately want.

Vince feels it is unconscionable to take food from the mouths of children, yet each time he hires an illegal alien, he does this to an American family(s).

The truth is, Vince has an affinity for illegal aliens because they work cheap and he can make structural changes to his home without the added expense of permits or inspections.

Is it any wonder Vince wants to remain in the shadows – Can you imagine the fines and penalties he would have to pay to the county if they learned of his “off the books” home improvements by non-qualified workers? Imagine how his insurance company would react if they learned of this.

Vince is wise to stay in the shadows. If he were to ever reveal himself, it may cost him several thousand dollars in fines, penalties, re-works to meet code, and finding a new insurance company.

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> Good immigrants are the key to American
> prosperity. We are willing to do
> things that American born citizens will not do.

This is a rewrite of history...in the past it was the steady movement of the poor and tired up through the poor to the midle class and upper income groups that was the dynamics our immigrants added to society. Now that we cant afford to teach our own children the maths and sciences...because we continually cut back on their public education, in an attempt to foster home schooling, we now need to drain the rest of the world of their educated.

"good" immigrants is a code word for only those immigrants Junes and other racists like her approve of.

New definitions according the Obama and Jerry Connally Commission

Racist: any one who tries to keep what is lawfully theirs irregardless of the sweat, time, and commitment they have invested in it and fail to,or oppose giving it willing to someone they have never met irregardless of thier legal and/ or criminal status.

ESL: English as a way to effectively work the system for entitlement purposes

Hate: A label I am given because I dont agree with you or with what someone else thinks or says. See also, "not entitled to an opinion"

Free or subsidized lunch: an entitlement which was a nicely kept secret but not verified or investigated in any way. Not a secret anymore, but no one wants to spend the time to see who really deserves it.(just fill out the paperwork and hand to someone in the school front office)

Illegal Alien: someone that Fairfax County doesnt want to deal with until they have committed some heinous crime. See also, "potential future voter"

Hospital for sale: too many freebies at the ER, See also "P.G. and D.C. hospital closures"

Any questions????,Nobody gave me anything, nobody helped me out, nobody said I won the lottery. I just went to work and provided for my family for a very long time. Maybe I dont feel like sharing my toys either, not OK???,too bad. Oh ya, I still stand for the national anthem, say the pledge of allegiance and fly an American flag in my yard. I guess I am a RRH (red neck , racist ,hater) according to the garbage I read in this thread. I would like to just be considered a PATRIOT.

Everyone here is falling for the same game people like Vince created. He holds the racist card above your head, and you fold like a house of cards, trying to get him to take it back, all the while losing the point of your REAL argument. WHO CARES if he thinks you are a RACIST. Its time everyone stop fretting about being labeled one by the likes of him. This country is going down in flames because people are afraid to fight the facts for fear of being labeled a bigot. MEN of power and purpose built this country. Men who made their way to the top by stepping on the weak, and spitting on the homeless.. many of them assholes and even bigots. Not academics and sensitivity trainers. The fact is, most of these illegals are ruining neighborhoods, killing public school systems, and outstripping the supply of assistance our local governments can bear. They are a parasite that is systematically destroying our way of life. Maybe at one time they were useful... no longer. Send them home.

70chip Wrote:
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> Everyone here is falling for the same game people
> like Vince created. He holds the racist card
> above your head, and you fold like a house of
> cards, trying to get him to take it back, all the
> while losing the point of your REAL argument. WHO
> CARES if he thinks you are a RACIST. Its time
> everyone stop fretting about being labeled one by
> the likes of him. This country is going down in
> flames because people are afraid to fight the
> facts for fear of being labeled a bigot. MEN of
> power and purpose built this country. Men who made
> their way to the top by stepping on the weak, and
> spitting on the homeless.. many of them assholes
> and even bigots. Not academics and sensitivity
> trainers. The fact is, most of these illegals are
> ruining neighborhoods, killing public school
> systems, and outstripping the supply of assistance
> our local governments can bear. They are a
> parasite that is systematically destroying our way
> of life. Maybe at one time they were useful... no
> longer. Send them home.

The old south will rise again! Protect the women folk...if one of them darkies even dares to look at Miss Priscila I will hang-um!

The men who made it to power used the sweat and tears of immigrants...and slaves...just the way you want it to be again. The joke is you think you'll be on top of the pyramid...hardly, if the last 6 months taught us anything...we are at the bottom of the financial pyramid with as much control of our futures as a flies swarming around shit! It is that need for "control" that drives the weak minded to hate those of even less fortune then theirs,,,it all rolls down hill...and is sitting on Junes face!

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> "good" immigrants is a code word for only those
> immigrants Junes and other racists like her
> approve of.

Good Immigrants are the one who enter the country legally. Most Americans approve of them and I'm pround to count myself among them.

70chip Wrote:
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> Everyone here is falling for the same game people
> like Vince created.

No one pays any attention to that anymore. People like Vince who use the Race card do so because they have no rational argument to justify illegal aliens remaining in the country.

They have no credibilty, still you gotta admit, they are willing to stand up on the block time and again and make a total fool of themselves.

What I have is the truth....and the power of the majority..no one except the ignorant are talking about illegals any more.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> What I have is the truth....and the power of the
> majority...

OMG, are you serious?

Junes..just keep posting your hate..the republikan party last month was at 27% favorable public opinion rating..this month 26%. Your opinions right or wrong just come across as so hateful...and racist. Id rather come across as the fool any day to a hateful racist!

i thought annandale was already destroyed?

A story about how the illegals issue is re-surfacing now that jobs have become more scarce was aired on NBC tonight. NBC? Are you kidding me? Must be damn serious for them to report that. (Of course, that was right after they had a Wall Street type give a dissertation on why GE stock is an excellent buy.)

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oaktonmom Wrote:
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> A story about how the illegals issue is
> re-surfacing now that jobs have become more scarce
> was aired on NBC tonight. NBC? Are you kidding
> me? Must be damn serious for them to report that.
> (Of course, that was right after they had a Wall
> Street type give a dissertation on why GE stock is
> an excellent buy.)

The issue has always been at the surface. Now it is rearing its ugly head again because most Americans know that those Job Stimulus dollars will be given to contractors who can bid cheap because they hire illegal aliens, and pocket the difference.

Northern VA contractors are chomping at the bit to get there hands on that $900M (over 2 years) for highway and metro work.

Same old game, different Party and different players. And, if Middle Class America thinks it's going to get a break from taxes, think again. Someone has to pay to bail out the big boys and put all those millions of illegal aliens to work.

Why is it that it seems that "We the people" have no say about what happens in our country and with our tax money?

Prince William should be an example to the rest of our country for pro-action. If we don't take back our country we will lose it. It's almost as if the media protects the illegal element, by not reporting the truth. When there was a thief robbing seniors and killed one we weren't told he was Hispanic and an illegal, until after he was caught.

I have been robbed repeatedly by an illegal but when I reported it to the police I was told to much happens to me and that they didn't believe this happened, just because they couldn't find where they broke in. I know this kid had a copy of my house key and he took my car keys also. The two police reports where I reported this kid for assault and petit larceny and a threat has disappeared from the system. Another bogus police report was created which I never reported that puts me in a bad light. All of this is illegally being done for a reason and it's FCPD that's breaking the law. When you see others breaking the law, especially lawman, in order to hide the truth or in an attempt to make someone else look unstable, then there must be something worth listening to, if you would put so much on the line. Why would someone go to so much trouble to make someone appear crazy, when they're not, unless their afraid of something?

Our state will be running out of unemployment funds soon because of the many illegals who are receiving these monies. They know they aren't entitled by virture of the fact of the many times the news cameras show up to document the long lines at the offices only to find the illegals running away, instead of staying to ensure their place in the long line and their money. E-verify should be used before these funds are released.

Most of the fast food places in Fairfax, no the USA, are all staffed by illegals, who barely speak English.



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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Junes..just keep posting your hate..the republikan
> party last month was at 27% favorable public
> opinion rating..this month 26%. Your opinions
> right or wrong just come across as so
> hateful...and racist. Id rather come across as
> the fool any day to a hateful racist!


If i thought the war on iraq was a good thing, and it was warrented, would that mean that i hated all muslims and i was a racist? you sir are a douche. I SAID GOOD DAY!

Why is it that it seems that "We the people" have no say about what happens in our country and with our tax money?

Stop voting for these politicians, Republicans and Democrats, who support these measures. Demand accountability. A viable third-party would be nice too.

Norman Conquest Wrote:
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> Why is it that it seems that "We the people" have
> no say about what happens in our country and with
> our tax money?
>
> Stop voting for these politicians, Republicans and
> Democrats, who support these measures. Demand
> accountability. A viable third-party would be nice
> too.


RON PAUL BITCHES! bring the fucking constitution back!!!!!!!!

Never seen a Hispanic in Annandale??!?! Go to the Safeway on rt 236 and Medford. They are hundreds of illegals loitering in the parking lot. And a Korean Ministry passing out free coffee to them- so they have no reason to leave.

Allan G Wrote:
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> ...All you do is call everyone racist who loves thier
> culture and heritage...



"Is that your culture and heritage? That ain't my culture and heritage!"
"Is you is or is you ain't my constitchency?"

I know where you can get some cheap Korean pussy in annandale!!
They are behind every business you see in annandale. Side $$$$ for the koreans!9nt

I agree, it is not the illegals fault, they are just following the American dream as well, only their expectations are different (getting out of a poor third world county and being able to eat a Big Mac). It is big business that creates the incentive. And politicians stay out of the way because they are getting huge kick backs and campaign funding to look the other way. It's up to us to research the same laws and loopholes to benefit and create an advantage to us just as the illegals have used to their advantage. Loitering laws for instance (and someone please chime in), there has to be something that can be ressurected to help clean up a street corner. Pick an area and focus on that particular area, let's say the 7-eleven at the corner of Hummer and Littler River Turnpike. Flood the Fairfax County's mayor's office with your emails (I am sending one tonight) about your concerns with this area. Remove the incentive and you remove the element.

And a thing about the Koreans. I actually respect and welcome the Koreans (and their snobbishness). They carry themselves well and seem to strive for a higher standard of living. They understand the value of an education and excel in their professions such as business and medical. My wife's optometrist is Korean and she is very professional. This is what we need in Annandale, a community of well-educated and well-maintained people. Let's face it, the illegals are bringing the third world to our doorstep. It looks like Tijuana out there! They don't take pride in themselves and this lower standard is being spread throughout the community. The Koreans are immigrants as well and you don't see them loitering. The Koreans speak their own language but can speak extremely fluent English and do so when talking to me. I respect this as I believe one should speak English when living in America. I recently ate lunch at Squisito Pizza & Pasta in Arundal Mills and to my surprise, the entire place was run by latinos. The boy at the counter barely spoke english and was very abrupt with me and acted perturbed that I was ordering. Some of the other workers were sitting up front lounging about and speaking extremely loud in their native language. None of them looked over 18. The restaurant has provided the incentive because it is very easy for them to turn a good profit by paying them under the table and not providing them with healthcare among other benefits.

I saw a cop actually parked near the 7-11 "No Loitering" sign the other day.

/I almost want to stop and buy something, because as a woman I am afraid of the sometimes dozens of men standing around there.

I'm gonna agree with Jane Doe, I don't even pass through Annandale anymore because of all the cat calling and begging for money going on every time I just want to go to the 7-11 or something. I drive a truck too and I'm very scared of them jumping in just because I pulled up!

I grew up here and Annandale has always been super ugly. Now it it is filled with spics. I would take Koreans over spics anyday.

Anybody see that setup that they had in the Wendy's parking lot (Little River one) where a guy had a table and was selling stuff to the illegals? It looked like a makeshift coffee shop.

The Koreans have really ruined Annandale just as much as the illegals. Most people view the city as nothing more thana place to get Korean bbq and Mexican day laborers.

This is how we solve the problem we all drive to annandale in our trucks since we are all racist rednecks we should have a truck. We all drive to annandale pick up some day laborer and drive them to the imagration office if the check out they can work but if they don't they will run. There is one good thing about the illegals they have run off all these nut bags and pedos that roamed the streets.

Anon-Asswipe wrote :
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> "There is one good thing about the illegals
> they have run off all these nut bags and pedos
> that roamed the streets."

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ?
THE ILLEGAL MEXICAN SPICS ARE THE "NUT BAGS AND PEDOS" ROAMIMG THE STREETS.
ROAMING BIKE PATHS AND JOGGING TRAILS TO BE SPECIFIC, THAT AND CLIMBING
INTO LITTLE KID'S BEDROOM WINDOWS TO RAPE THEM WHILE THEY SLEEP.

goddamn niggers, spics and chinks are taking our jobs! THEY TOOK ER JOBS >_<
we white folk just wanna have simple jobs that pay extremely high, eat fast food day n night, and drink a goddamn cold one after we come home from a good lynching

FUCK NOVA
GO SOVA

BrandonVA Wrote:
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> Anybody see that setup that they had in the
> Wendy's parking lot (Little River one) where a guy
> had a table and was selling stuff to the illegals?
> It looked like a makeshift coffee shop.
>
> The Koreans have really ruined Annandale just as
> much as the illegals. Most people view the city as
> nothing more thana place to get Korean bbq and
> Mexican day laborers.


what the fuck else is there to get from Annandale? A second rate education from the NOVA campus?

KOREANS COME HERE TO FAIRFAX SO THERE KIDS CAN GO TO OUR SCHOOLS>

WHA DA FUK HOMES? FUCK YALL MAYNE! I GO BACK TO BANGIN YOUR RICH WHITE PEOPLE WIVES NOW! KAY HOMES?

FACTS Wrote:
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> KOREANS COME HERE TO FAIRFAX SO THERE KIDS CAN GO
> TO OUR SCHOOLS>

The correct word is "their" you dumbass.

I BLOW YOU UP NOW!

*SCREAMING GIBBERISH THAT YOU HEAR ON XBOX LIVE HALO GAMES FROM 10 YEAR OLDS*

ima troll! :D

This is what happens when you let your kids use your computer. I call for peace and love.

I CALL FOR DEPORTATION !
GO HOME DIRTY SPICS.

So much hate :( I go on hippy strike

He would be so proud.

Oh wait, he never had to live in this dump called Fairfax, Va.

(While he was killed in NYC at least it was a cool place to live. I blame Yoko.)

John Lennon Wrote:
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> He would be so proud.
>
> Oh wait, he never had to live in this dump called
> Fairfax, Va.
>
> (While he was killed in NYC at least it was a cool
> place to live. I blame Yoko.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING ANYONE WAS TALKING ABOUT
STFU YOU GODDAMN NIGGER

I LIKE TO YELL! :D

I could agree more. These people hung out 24x7. Take the seven-eleven on 236 prior the 495 entrance: not only if a woman walks around it get harassed by these people, but they fill the town with trash: dispose of beer bottles and empty food container all over the place. Then again, they are not the ones that pay taxes or own anything in the town. Why should they care???????????????? I am positive that if the law of no loitering and no littering get ENFORCED we can start getting somewhere.

Yep
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How about anti-any human being that trash and disrespect this country?????????? If the Hispanic and Korean wants to be regarded with respect they may should start respecting the rights of everyone else such has the right to a CLEAN place since we PAY TAXES and when we own a home in the town if trash is all over the place guess what happens to the value of our home?????????? O maybe you don't know...................

The law states that you are to shoot any illegals on site. If you see them littering, you are to kill their family as well.