So I have discovered that NAPA brand motor oil is the exact same oil as Valvoline. They are made and packaged at the same plant but the NAPA oil is like 50 cents per quart cheaper.
Men who do not change their own oil are not real men. Any man under the age of 60 or over the age of 16 should be changing their own oil and teaching their kids how to do it. Do not forget to grease those zerks and fill the washer fluid as well. Do not trust your car to a quick lube place unless you have a broken arm or something.
Let's hear some of your best oil changing stories on this thread before patrick throws the homo thread lock on it.
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I've been working on cars since I was 5. I'm 27 now. I live in a high-rise condo which doesn't allow residents to work on their cars on property. Gosh, I'd hate to think I have to take my S-Class to the dealership because then I wouldn't be a real man because I don't change my own oil and I don't want to take it to a quick lube pace because you know...they fuck up EVERY SINGLE car that has ever rolled through there. I mean, they've been in business since the end of WWII in some cases but hey, all they do is fuck up cars, right? Every one of 'em. They've never gotten shit right in 60 years, right? Ever.

So, where can I go to change my own oil so I can be a real man? I guess maybe your fucking house, huh? Yeah...that's what I thought, fuckstick. Now take your paraffin laden store brand oil and get the fuck outta' here...

Wrenchy McLube Wrote:
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> I've been working on cars since I was 5. I'm 27
> now. I live in a high-rise condo which doesn't
> allow residents to work on their cars on property.
> Gosh, I'd hate to think I have to take my S-Class
> to the dealership because then I wouldn't be a
> real man because I don't change my own oil and I
> don't want to take it to a quick lube pace because
> you know...they fuck up EVERY SINGLE car that has
> ever rolled through there. I mean, they've been in
> business since the end of WWII in some cases but
> hey, all they do is fuck up cars, right? Every one
> of 'em. They've never gotten shit right in 60
> years, right? Ever.
>
> So, where can I go to change my own oil so I can
> be a real man? I guess maybe your fucking house,
> huh? Yeah...that's what I thought, fuckstick. Now
> take your paraffin laden store brand oil and get
> the fuck outta' here...


Get out of that homo s class and into a c class. Then maybe you will have enough cash to get a proper home. At least you are under 30 so you have an excuse for living in a stinkin condo. Guys in their 30's and 40's that are still in a condo or a townhouse are sad losers.

Why the fuck would I change my own oil when Honda sends me coupons every month to have oil and filter service for $9.99.

Sleestak Wrote:
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> Why the fuck would I change my own oil when Honda
> sends me coupons every month to have oil and
> filter service for $9.99.


If you have to ask.............................

You must be at least 34% gay.

Probably 36.4% gay since I also stay in the waitingroom and not hover over the mechanic.

This one time at band camp, we were changing the oil on the camp bus and we all got greassy and had glorious 5 way gay mansex.
We used a hastings oil filter and walmart brand oil.

grease m Wrote:
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> Wrenchy McLube Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've been working on cars since I was 5. I'm 27
> > now. I live in a high-rise condo which doesn't
> > allow residents to work on their cars on
> property.
> > Gosh, I'd hate to think I have to take my
> S-Class
> > to the dealership because then I wouldn't be a
> > real man because I don't change my own oil and
> I
> > don't want to take it to a quick lube pace
> because
> > you know...they fuck up EVERY SINGLE car that
> has
> > ever rolled through there. I mean, they've been
> in
> > business since the end of WWII in some cases
> but
> > hey, all they do is fuck up cars, right? Every
> one
> > of 'em. They've never gotten shit right in 60
> > years, right? Ever.
> >
> > So, where can I go to change my own oil so I
> can
> > be a real man? I guess maybe your fucking
> house,
> > huh? Yeah...that's what I thought, fuckstick.
> Now
> > take your paraffin laden store brand oil and
> get
> > the fuck outta' here...
>
>
> Get out of that homo s class and into a c class.
> Then maybe you will have enough cash to get a
> proper home. At least you are under 30 so you have
> an excuse for living in a stinkin condo. Guys in
> their 30's and 40's that are still in a condo or a
> townhouse are sad losers.

The demands of my job (i.e. frequently called in with an hour's notice...hey it's tough being a man-whore...) require that I be close to downtown DC. Even if I moved down to a smaller car, I still couldn't afford to live in a non-condo that close to the city. Everything I looked at that was sub $500K within 10 minutes of DC was condemned. Plus, I'm never home so, I don't have a lawn to mow, snow to shovel and other bullshit. So, I've plowed my cash into my S-Class. My life's not better than anyone else's...just different.

I've been changing my own oil for over 30 years now, but I can see some good reasons for NOT doing it yourself, even if you are a REAL MAN.

1. As Wrenchy noted there are many apartment and condo complexes that don't permit you to do car work on premisis. There are others that might let you, but there is not a good place to do it.

2. Once you have finished that oil change you need to dispose of the old motor oil This might not be a problem if the place you bought it from offers free recycling. If not you need to store the stuff up until you find some place that will take it.

3. So many places offer to do oil changes for ridiculously low prices that you can quite often get your oil changed for less than it would cost you to buy the oil and filter. Also many of these places will give you rides to and from Metro so you don't have to lose time because of the oil change.

4. Cars built 20 years ago were designed to be worked on. Cars built today are far less so. For some accessing the oil filter without a pit or a lift can be a major challenge. Then of courcse you need to have the right filter wrench because there isn't sufficient room to use that old faithful strap filter wrench.

5. There is more to an oil change than simply draining and replacing the oil. You need to replace the filter and lube up several spots, plus check and to up fluids. Maybe you can get by not doing this EVERY TIME you change your oil, but it does need to be done regularly. So now you aren't just talking about buying a five gallon jug of oil. You are talking about having washer fluid, brake fluid, transmission fluid, power steering fluid, anti-freeze, a grease gun and oil filters.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> 2. Once you have finished that oil change you need
> to dispose of the old motor oil This might not be
> a problem if the place you bought it from offers
> free recycling. If not you need to store the
> stuff up until you find some place that will take
> it.

^ This alone is what makes the whole process not worth it for me. Disposing of the used oil and filter means an extra trip and a lot of mess. Who needs to have oil spills in your driveway, in your car, on your clothes, on your rags, in your garage, etc?

For a simple oil change, its easier to drive to one place -- once -- and have the whole thing over with in 20 minutes. Time is money to me and I'd rather pay someone else to do something that they do all day long every day, than have to spend my hours doing something that I, at best, might do four times a year.

Mobil 1 Synthetic is the best oil I have ever used. I used to have Royal Purple, but that stuff breaks down too quickly.

Synthetic oil is generally a waste of money unless you are using your engine in a high stress environment like a long distance high speed race.
About 10 years ago the Dulles flyer cab fleet did a test with about 200 new vehicles running synthetic and 200 running conventional. After 250000 miles both groups had the same number of engine failures (2 each). Oil was changed at roughly 5000 mile intervals.
If you often forget or choose to ignore proper oil change intervals then synthetic is the way to go as it can take more abuse and neglect.

Bill.N. Wrote:
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> 2. Once you have finished that oil change you need
> to dispose of the old motor oil This might not be
> a problem if the place you bought it from offers
> free recycling. If not you need to store the
> stuff up until you find some place that will take
> it.

I presume you drive a plug-in electric car? Because if you don't then that means you still go to the gas station. And if you still go to the gas station, perhaps you could select a gas station with a quick lube lane. Because if they have a quick lube lane then they will have a place that you can dump your used oil.

Most auto-parts stores sell oil drain pans like the one below which make storing and transporting used oil a mess-free operation. I would still advocate putting down newspaper or a large oil cloth to protect against driveway stains but once you know what you're doing with a particular car, you know where to put the drain pan without the need for drop cloths/newspapers.
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All jiffy lube locations accept used motor oil for recycling at no charge.

Napa oil is valvoline and walmart super tech oil is havoline. No reason to buy anything other than one of these store brands unless you like to waste money.

Mobil 1 is the best motor oil available.

grease m Wrote:
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> So I have discovered that NAPA brand motor oil is
> the exact same oil as Valvoline. They are made and
> packaged at the same plant but the NAPA oil is
> like 50 cents per quart cheaper.
> Men who do not change their own oil are not real
> men. Any man under the age of 60 or over the age
> of 16 should be changing their own oil and
> teaching their kids how to do it. Do not forget to
> grease those zerks and fill the washer fluid as
> well. Do not trust your car to a quick lube place
> unless you have a broken arm or something.
> Let's hear some of your best oil changing stories
> on this thread before patrick throws the homo
> thread lock on it.


One time I was changing my own oil I spilled some hot oil on my cock and it fell off. That day sucked.

You're an idiot if you are still changing your own oil unless you are unemployed or retired bored. Just take it to some quick drive thru place.

The amount of time you waste buying filters, buying oil, gas to the store, gas to the dump, dump disposal fees etc...

It's a no brainer.

all car ive owned i have changed with royal purple almost religiously at 3000 miles, just how i am. started from a civic than maxima than 240sx now impala and rx7

Mobile One Wrote:
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> Mobil 1 is the best motor oil available.


I agree with your statement. Mobil 1 is the best it is just not cost effective compared to supertech or NAPA synthetic. If the mobil 1 gives you added peace of mind then there is some value in that.


@jeff, sorry about the bad luck.

Changing oil is dirty and inconvenient.

The gas station does it for 20 bucks.

Also, cleaning my apartment sucks, some chick does it for 50 bucks.


Same with dry cleaning.

I don't mind paying for convenience.

Fuck changing oil yourself. No real cost savings - running around to buy oil and supplies vs. using a discount coupon at a oil change location, ruined clothing, got to deal with disposing the used oil, filters in impossible spots to get to on news cars.
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My girlfriend and I use the old motor oil as lube during sex.

I've never changed my oil and the old Dodge is doing fine!!!!

BEH Wrote:
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> Changing oil is dirty and inconvenient.
>
> The gas station does it for 20 bucks.
>
> Also, cleaning my apartment sucks, some chick does
> it for 50 bucks.
>
>
> Same with dry cleaning.
>
> I don't mind paying for convenience.


you are right. I work on my own cars as a hobby and I have likely spent more money on tools and stuff than I would have spent on a good mechanic. I also have a two car garage and a big driveway. It's just what you are into I suppose. I would rather be in my garage changing a water pump and drinking bud light with a couple buddies than be at a bar somewhere or on a golf course.

Auto places skip changing the filter at times and charge you anyway. Also, I only use Mobil 1 and puralator filters. I won't even use filters from the dealer. So just parts on my oil changes runs me 40-50 bucks with correct drain nut washer seals. I used to do all that myself every three thousand miles now I do it every five thousand miles. My cars run like champs, knock on wood.

al bundy Wrote:
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> I've never changed my oil and the old Dodge is
> doing fine!!!!


come on dad! you know it's a plymouth scamp.
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I let Amazon.com change my oil. That way I never have to leave the house.

The right board for this discussion is http://www.bobistheoilguy.com

Mobil1 is a fine oil but I do seem to get a bit of valve train noise with it on my pushrod engine. On the overhead cam motor it doesn't seem to matter as much.

Modern vehicles don't have many (if any) zerk fittings. They have bearings/ball joints with "lifetime lubrication".

My GM SUV, run on Mobil 1 since day 1 (17 miles when new) has over 230K miles and still runs fine.

My new Benz does not have a drain plug and needs to have it's oil sucked out. I'm a bit skeptical about this...

If you want to use CHEAP oil then go ahead. It will come back to kick you in the ass!!

Pat GOSSS Wrote:
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> If you want to use CHEAP oil then go ahead. It
> will come back to kick you in the ass!!

Now Pat...I might dare to question your analysis of my vehicle's problem or ask you to explain it again in simple language or I may even suggest my own thoughts on what might be wrong...I mean, I hope that's ok and junk because I know how open you are to other people's opinions about their own cars regardless of their overall technical knowledge. Oh...and do you think I can call into your show with a question without you anally inserting $500 worth of hi-performance BG products that my P.O.S. Corolla doesn't need? Is that possible? Is it, Pat?

I am so rich and stupid that I ship my car out to a place where they change my oil. They ship it same day and I can order online!

This really drives me crazy; Americans are forgetting basic maintenance skills our parents did every day. I know everyone is busy and it can be intimidating at first - - but at least try to learn how change your own oil. It's not that hard and you can drop your used oil at the FXC dump off Ox Road,

I changed my oil until the eco-freaks passed laws making it a felony to spill a drop of oil.

It's not worth the hassle anymore.

"Grease the zerks"???

Are you driving a 69 VW?

Pat Goss Provoker Wrote:
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> Pat GOSSS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If you want to use CHEAP oil then go ahead. It
> > will come back to kick you in the ass!!
>
> Now Pat...I might dare to question your analysis
> of my vehicle's problem or ask you to explain it
> again in simple language or I may even suggest my
> own thoughts on what might be wrong...I mean, I
> hope that's ok and junk because I know how open
> you are to other people's opinions about their own
> cars regardless of their overall technical
> knowledge. Oh...and do you think I can call into
> your show with a question without you anally
> inserting $500 worth of hi-performance BG products
> that my P.O.S. Corolla doesn't need? Is that
> possible? Is it, Pat?


Well,every car on the road can benefit from the use of BG products. Just dont tell anyone that BG stands for Bonnie Gosss and It's my wife's company. I would never let the fact that my wife makes money off the BG products sway my expert opinion on anything. Speaking of Bonnie, she enjoys my BJ products as much as I enjoy her BG products.

Get a vacuum device from amazon. If your car has a filter in the top of the engine it makes changing the oil about as hard as changing an air filter. I bought a 'topsider' for 45 bucks and its great for my Mercedes. On the Volvo the filter is on the bottom so I still have to crawl under there, remove a shield and replace the oil filter but its much less messy draining the oil up top first. Plus the aholes at the service stations put my oil drain bolts on so tight (both cars) I am unable to get them off without a lift and impact wrench...

NewMoney Wrote:
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> I am so rich and stupid that I ship my car out to
> a place where they change my oil. They ship it
> same day and I can order online!


I just get a new car every 7000 miles.

Mobile 1 with a Purolator filter. Unless you're at 550 plus horsepower and into amsoil there is no question. Close thread, you're welcome.

newer2 Wrote:
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> NewMoney Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am so rich and stupid that I ship my car out
> to
> > a place where they change my oil. They ship it
> > same day and I can order online!
>
>
> I just get a new car every 7000 miles.

I own an autobot. His name is Moneybags. He drives me wherever I want to go and either maintains himself or goes and visits Ratchet.

grease m Wrote:
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> Wrenchy McLube Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I've been working on cars since I was 5. I'm 27
> > now. I live in a high-rise condo which doesn't
> > allow residents to work on their cars on
> property.
> > Gosh, I'd hate to think I have to take my
> S-Class
> > to the dealership because then I wouldn't be a
> > real man because I don't change my own oil and
> I
> > don't want to take it to a quick lube pace
> because
> > you know...they fuck up EVERY SINGLE car that
> has
> > ever rolled through there. I mean, they've been
> in
> > business since the end of WWII in some cases
> but
> > hey, all they do is fuck up cars, right? Every
> one
> > of 'em. They've never gotten shit right in 60
> > years, right? Ever.
> >
> > So, where can I go to change my own oil so I
> can
> > be a real man? I guess maybe your fucking
> house,
> > huh? Yeah...that's what I thought, fuckstick.
> Now
> > take your paraffin laden store brand oil and
> get
> > the fuck outta' here...
>
>
> Get out of that homo s class and into a c class.
> Then maybe you will have enough cash to get a
> proper home. At least you are under 30 so you have
> an excuse for living in a stinkin condo. Guys in
> their 30's and 40's that are still in a condo or a
> townhouse are sad losers.

S class for men, C class for women

A quick lube place forgot to put oil in my FJ cruiser and blew up the motor. They were only willing to replace it with a used motor from the junkyard. They said that was fair because the motor that they blew up was a used motor. I paid the shop that replaced the motor an extra 960 bucks to upgrade me to a new Toyota motor and that pissed me off. It was not enough money to bother suing over so I just took one in the ass. My toyota had only 42000 miles on it at the time. I change my own frickin oil now, even in the snow!

Which place was it?

 

motorist Wrote:
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> A quick lube place forgot to put oil in my FJ
> cruiser and blew up the motor. They were only
> willing to replace it with a used motor from the
> junkyard. They said that was fair because the
> motor that they blew up was a used motor. I paid
> the shop that replaced the motor an extra 960
> bucks to upgrade me to a new Toyota motor and that
> pissed me off. It was not enough money to bother
> suing over so I just took one in the ass. My
> toyota had only 42000 miles on it at the time. I
> change my own frickin oil now, even in the snow!


Shit happens, get over it!

eesh thread.

I could be wrong but I'm right 99% of the time

motorist Wrote:
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> A quick lube place forgot to put oil in my FJ
> cruiser and blew up the motor. They were only
> willing to replace it with a used motor from the
> junkyard. They said that was fair because the
> motor that they blew up was a used motor. I paid
> the shop that replaced the motor an extra 960
> bucks to upgrade me to a new Toyota motor and that
> pissed me off. It was not enough money to bother
> suing over so I just took one in the ass. My
> toyota had only 42000 miles on it at the time. I
> change my own frickin oil now, even in the snow!

$960 isn't enough to hire an attorney over, but you could easily have handled the matter yourself in small claims or general district court. It was your choice to walk away from that, so you shouldn't be bitching that the quick lube place (or more likely their insurer) would only pay for a used engine.

I always change my oil. Napa oil is solid.

Pat Goss Wrote:
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> I always change my oil. Napa oil is solid.


NAPA oil is high quality oil.

Walmart oil is the shit. It is made by kendall and the shit is just fine. A 5 quart jug is like 12 or 13 bucks compared to 17 or 18 bucks for valvoline or penzoil. I have been using walmart oil in multiple cars for like 20 years and never had any engine trouble related to lubrication.

i never understood people buying cheap oil, you change it 2 or three times a year. Whats 30 dollars more a year for peace of mind.

Oddly enough motor oil has a standards body of sorts, the american petroleum institute. So cheap or not, it meets the requirements set by the API.

Mobil 1 Synthetic is the best oil you can run through an engine as it'll never produce buildup while working to eliminate any buildup from conventional oil. If you have a car that has lots of miles (120K+) already though and hope to keep it running well, I'd be wary of changes and do a few drain and fills before switching over.

Some people just can't change their own oil becuase they live in an apartment. Aside from the rules, where the hell do you keep a toolset? That's understandable, however always watch and stay as close as you can if you're going to take your car anywhere for anything. If Joe or Jose is having a bad day, is hungover, pissed at his boss, whatever, he's likely to miss a step and fuck something up. Cars require meticulous care and that's not something you'll always get from someone who sees several a day. Sometimes, it's just a matter of how your mecahnic is feeling that particular day.

I do all work personally on my cars. Always have and I've learned how to do pretty much everything over the years. You really get a better feel for you car that way. My first vehicle was a beater truck that I own and sometimes drive til this day, (it's not really that much of a beater but it's old) that has over 300,000 miles but runs perfectly and gets treated like a baby. With proper personal care and maintenance I've managed to keep the original engine and tranny through all these years.

Walmart's supertech SAE certified oil smells like gasoline and is much lighter compared to somethng like Quaker State. I'm afraid to use it.

The maker of walmart supertech oils is a trade secret. I use the walmart full synthetic in all 3 of my vehicles. The MSDS sheet that walmart is required by federal law to supply the consumer upon request lists the manufacturer as Specialty Oil Products in Houston Texas. I called the 800 number listed on that sheet and the recording said "Thank you for calling Shell". Shell is now the parent company of Penzoil-Quaker state.
The bottom line here is that walmart oil is perfectly fine to use in any vehicle and it is quite a bargain.

eesh Wrote:
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> Mobil 1 Synthetic is the best oil I have ever
> used. I used to have Royal Purple, but that stuff
> breaks down too quickly.


woolco oil rules!
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Two Ends of the Auto Spectrum Wrote:
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> My new Benz does not have a drain plug and needs
> to have it's oil sucked out. I'm a bit skeptical
> about this...

The dealer charges way too much for this. A Hispanic whore
will suck it dry at a fraction of the price. Those bitches
will suck anything for a buck.

As for recycling, used motor oil makes great weed killer
in the woods behind my house. In the spring and summer,
I dump it into the storm water catch basin in my neighborhood
to kill mosquito larvae.

NotAnyMore Wrote:
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> I changed my oil until the eco-freaks passed laws
> making it a felony to spill a drop of oil.
>
> It's not worth the hassle anymore.
>
> "Grease the zerks"???
>
> Are you driving a 69 VW?

You gotta dump that shit at night. If you have Muslims or Spics in your neighborhood, pour it out in their driveways coz everyone knows they never follow the laws anyhow.

The only Zerks I grease regularly are on my Cub Cadet

shade tree mechanic Wrote:
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> Napa oil is valvoline and walmart super tech oil
> is havoline. No reason to buy anything other than
> one of these store brands unless you like to waste
> money.


I used Track auto oil for decades before they went out of business. Now I use Napa oil or I will buy valvoline if it is on sale or they are out of the Napa. Well over 2 million miles on multiple cars with no engine problems beyond a gasket leak. The cheap oil is just fine.

I use 100% virgin olive oil in my Tesla.

My HOA prevents me from doing car work in front of the house.

Can't go wrong with mobile 1 and a purolator pure one filter. Filters are very important.

usingusersofoil Wrote:
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> My HOA prevents me from doing car work in front of
> the house.

My car prevents me from residing in a HOA controlled environment.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Can't go wrong with mobile 1 and a purolator pure
> one filter. Filters are very important.

Is that what the bus driver told you they use?

This is the finest oil available for Jap cars. Yes it's real.
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Real men have real jobs and drive company cars and let the company pay for maintenance.
Suckers pay for cars.

So your a tow truck driver?

I see Wrote:
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> So your a tow truck driver?


That's funny!

Just change your oil every 10,000 miles.

libs suck Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> > Can't go wrong with mobile 1 and a purolator
> pure
> > one filter. Filters are very important.
>
> Is that what the bus driver told you they use?

Nope, I came to that conclusion after extensive research. I was using Wix/Napa Gold brand filters before Purolator Pure Ones. Those are very high quality too. Purolator Pure Ones are the best there are though. Spring assembly, filter material, design, flow, results.

Republicans should use Fram filters though. If you are a Republican, Fram is the way to go.

I use old coffee filters in my Tesla.

Real men are smart enough to hire experts to do what they are expert at. I will hire you to do what you do for a living and you hire me to do what I do, and we won't mess it up.


Lat time I changed my own oil, I emptied out all of my transmission fluid and then put 4 quarts of oil into my car. Whne I drove it, I got about 4 blocks before it blew, oil and smoke everywhere. Then I had to do the idiot walk of shame into the mechanic who deservedly laughed at me and charged me 10-20 oil changes worth of money to fix what I messed up.

And no I am not ashamed to tell that stupid story, and yeah I should have known exactly where the oil plug was versus the transission plug, but I didnt, and the moral of ths story is, what I said first.

If anyone is into saving 5 bucks changing their own oil, good for them, but they should NEVER advise ignorant people to try it without A LOT of proper warning about what can go wrong.

Micky Wrote:
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> Real men are smart enough to hire experts to do
> what they are expert at. I will hire you to do
> what you do for a living and you hire me to do
> what I do, and we won't mess it up.
>
>
> Lat time I changed my own oil, I emptied out all
> of my transmission fluid and then put 4 quarts of
> oil into my car. Whne I drove it, I got about 4
> blocks before it blew, oil and smoke everywhere.
> Then I had to do the idiot walk of shame into the
> mechanic who deservedly laughed at me and charged
> me 10-20 oil changes worth of money to fix what I
> messed up.
>
> And no I am not ashamed to tell that stupid story,
> and yeah I should have known exactly where the oil
> plug was versus the transission plug, but I didnt,
> and the moral of ths story is, what I said first.
>
> If anyone is into saving 5 bucks changing their
> own oil, good for them, but they should NEVER
> advise ignorant people to try it without A LOT of
> proper warning about what can go wrong.


Most shops and quick lube places are using young and inexperienced help to do the oil changes. I change my own oil not because I am worried about saving a few bucks I just want the job done right. I learned how to change oil in high school 20 years ago. You have a point however that if you don't know what you are doing you are better off taking your chances at a shop.

Using walmart or napa oil is fine but stay away from cheap oil filters. Fram filters suck. Choose a filter with a coil spring bypass valve rather than a leaf spring bypass valve. I use hastings but there are some other good ones out there.

Why does everyone seem to think that FRAM filters suck? I called the people at FRAM headquarters and they specifically said that their filters not only do not suck but that they are really good. I dont think Walmart would sell a product that sucks and they sell thousands of FRAM filters every single day. I am going to use purolator filters until I can find out for sure. I have been using FRAM for like 12 years and never had an engine failure.

> Lat time I changed my own oil, I emptied out all of my transmission fluid and then put 4 quarts of oil into my car. Whne I drove it, I got about 4 blocks before it blew, oil and smoke everywhere. Then I had to do the idiot walk of shame into the mechanic who deservedly laughed at me and charged me 10-20 oil changes worth of money to fix what I messed up.

I didn't see this story before. How amusing.

Firstly, no automatic transmission has a drain plug. Even if it did, the vehicle wouldn't move without fluid to engage the clutch bands (not to mention the torque converter wouldn't transmit power).

Perhaps you had a manual. So driving a few blocks drained wouldn't hurt it.

Overfilling the engine block with oil though is a bit of a problem. You get foaming as the rods agitate the oil in the pan. That could cause an engine to seize/hydrolocked but I doubt this happened since your repair cost $500-$1000. Sounds like the mechanic charged you $500-$1000 to drain the oil and clean the engine.

>FRAM filters suck

I really don't think you can attribute any engine failure to a FRAM filter with proper usage/changes. Are there better filters for about the same price? Yes.

EnT9m wrote,

"Firstly, no automatic transmission has a drain plug."


Many cars and almost all Saturns have a ATF drain plug.
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I changed the engine myself so I change the oil to make sure nobody screws it up.

I used big lots no name, imported from China oil on my 01 Ford. The motor locked up after 1200 miles.
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>"Firstly, no automatic transmission has a drain plug."
>Many cars and almost all Saturns have a ATF drain plug.

I really don't believe this (the "many" statement). Since the change interval is somewhere in the 100,000 mile range, the cost of installing a drain plug on an automatic transmission is not warranted. It is rare to find such a beast.

xFyJD Wrote:
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> >"Firstly, no automatic transmission has a drain
> plug."
> >Many cars and almost all Saturns have a ATF drain
> plug.
>
> I really don't believe this (the "many"
> statement). Since the change interval is
> somewhere in the 100,000 mile range, the cost of
> installing a drain plug on an automatic
> transmission is not warranted. It is rare to find
> such a beast.


Well, as you know I am an automotive expert. I can tell you that beyond a shadow of a doubt that some vehicles have one and some do not. The most important thing is that you buy BG products. The BG products will save you millions of dollars.

Any and all additives are complete bullshit. Don't waste your money.

Gasoline and motor oil both have effective additives. If you want to run a gasoline additive, go with something that has PEA in it (Regane is a good example). PEA is the only thing that actually works. Anything else is useless.

If you want to know how well an oil will do in your car, do a google search for your year/make and UOA (used oil analysis). There are plenty of people out there (like me) who obsess over shit like this. My high performance engine destroys oil and will shear Mobil1 very easily. The best UOA for my engine comes from Penzoil Platinum 5W30.

Generally speaking, though, the average daily driver will do just fine with a brand name oil within the manufacturer recommended viscosity.

klrjtrht Wrote:
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> Any and all additives are complete bullshit. Don't
> waste your money.
>
> Gasoline and motor oil both have effective
> additives. If you want to run a gasoline additive,
> go with something that has PEA in it (Regane is a
> good example). PEA is the only thing that actually
> works. Anything else is useless.
>
> If you want to know how well an oil will do in
> your car, do a google search for your year/make
> and UOA (used oil analysis). There are plenty of
> people out there (like me) who obsess over shit
> like this. My high performance engine destroys oil
> and will shear Mobil1 very easily. The best UOA
> for my engine comes from Penzoil Platinum 5W30.
>
> Generally speaking, though, the average daily
> driver will do just fine with a brand name oil
> within the manufacturer recommended viscosity.


Do you think the Walmart brand "supertech" is an adequate motor oil for your average daily driver? According to the msds it is made by shell-texaco. Other sources indicate that supertech is also made by Kendall and sold in Walmart stores on the west coast.

toe jam driver Wrote:
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> Do you think the Walmart brand "supertech" is an
> adequate motor oil for your average daily driver?




Just get Mobil 1 Synthetic and a good filter. You can easily go 10,000 mile intervals.

Blessed are the murderous.

eesh Wrote:
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> toe jam driver Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > Do you think the Walmart brand "supertech" is
> an
> > adequate motor oil for your average daily
> driver?
>
>
>
>
> Just get Mobil 1 Synthetic and a good filter. You
> can easily go 10,000 mile intervals.


Is this the oil of online stalkers

>Do you think the Walmart brand "supertech" is an adequate motor oil for your average daily driver?

Does it have an API grading/rating that matches what your vehicle requires? If so, it will work fine. Again, there are possibly better oils.

toe jam driver Wrote:
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> klrjtrht Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Any and all additives are complete bullshit.
> Don't
> > waste your money.
> >
> > Gasoline and motor oil both have effective
> > additives. If you want to run a gasoline
> additive,
> > go with something that has PEA in it (Regane is
> a
> > good example). PEA is the only thing that
> actually
> > works. Anything else is useless.
> >
> > If you want to know how well an oil will do in
> > your car, do a google search for your year/make
> > and UOA (used oil analysis). There are plenty
> of
> > people out there (like me) who obsess over shit
> > like this. My high performance engine destroys
> oil
> > and will shear Mobil1 very easily. The best UOA
> > for my engine comes from Penzoil Platinum 5W30.
> >
> > Generally speaking, though, the average daily
> > driver will do just fine with a brand name oil
> > within the manufacturer recommended viscosity.
>
>
> Do you think the Walmart brand "supertech" is an
> adequate motor oil for your average daily driver?
> According to the msds it is made by shell-texaco.
> Other sources indicate that supertech is also made
> by Kendall and sold in Walmart stores on the west
> coast.


Supertech is ok as long as it meets the specs for your car. For me, it depends on the application. If you're running a Honda, Toyota, etc then it's fine. I would not run it in a high-performance engine, ie Infiniti, BMW, Porsche, Audi, etc. Those engines tend to be hard on oil and it's better to run a brand name synthetic. Many high-performance engines actually state specific standards (ie Audi's 502.00 standard) because of the excessive heat that breaks down oil.

Dont even worry about changing your oil here in this shithole area.

Your car will either rust out due to road salt or get hit & totalled by some other moron long before the engine will fail due to oxidation/sludge from no oil change.

Pointless worry Wrote:
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> Dont even worry about changing your oil here in
> this shithole area.
>
> Your car will either rust out due to road salt or
> get hit & totalled by some other moron long before
> the engine will fail due to oxidation/sludge from
> no oil change.

This is not true, and you're an idiot if you follow this advice.

Oil in itself isn't the problem. Other additives, etc break down and cause sludge and failures. In addition, your car actually burns a small amount of oil. If you never change your oil, don't plan on having your car very long.

Walmart supertech is available in full synthetic. A 5 quart jug is about 17 bucks which is about 10 bucks cheaper than mobil 1. I use it in all four of my vehicles and have used it in multiple vehicles over the last 15 years or so with flawless results. That being said I would probably use the mobil 1 if I owned some expensive high performance car just for a little peace of mind.

This is a nice thread.

I know synthetic is expensive but you can get it at Costco for about $6/Qt. Think about how much $$$ you spend on gas each fill-up. Its the cost of a tank of gas to change your oil and you only change oil 2-3 times a year (if you use synthetic under normal driving you can go 8-10k between changes).

Why cheap out to maybe save $40 per year? I have 2 cars one with 205k the other with 190k and they both run really well. Always serviced with Mobil One.

A main advantage that the synthetic has over the mineral based oil is the ability to lubricate at startup. Both types of oil have the same specifications at 104°F, 212°F and 302°F. It is the startup viscosity characteristics that separate these oils. Synthetic oils do not thicken as much on cooling. They have better fluidity as the temperature drops.

http://bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-103/

Something I've noticed last few times I've had my oil changed with full synthetic is that the little sticker they affix to the windshield still shows a 3K mile interval for the next change. I asked the guy at Valvoline on Lee Highway why, and he gave a BS response. Anyone else had this happen?

grease m Wrote:
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> So I have discovered that NAPA brand motor oil is
> the exact same oil as Valvoline. They are made and
> packaged at the same plant but the NAPA oil is
> like 50 cents per quart cheaper.
> Men who do not change their own oil are not real
> men. Any man under the age of 60 or over the age
> of 16 should be changing their own oil and
> teaching their kids how to do it. Do not forget to
> grease those zerks and fill the washer fluid as
> well. Do not trust your car to a quick lube place
> unless you have a broken arm or something.
> Let's hear some of your best oil changing stories
> on this thread before patrick throws the homo
> thread lock on it.

CHECK IF IT IS FROM USA or "international invested sources"

Chevron products, for example, are made in USA products

by the way google "chevron"

before obama 2nd term it was %95 gas/oil related

today it is %90 results from a single "fabric website" with infinite variations of "<<" ">>" "<>" "<<<" "<><"

remember google gets federal funding and is totally liberal in politics - scewing results that way

the single fabric site "overcoming" all gas and oil sites (citing Chevron) is absolutely ... an attack on America
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grease m Wrote:
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> So I have discovered that NAPA brand motor oil is
> the exact same oil as Valvoline. They are made and
> packaged at the same plant but the NAPA oil is
> like 50 cents per quart cheaper.
> Men who do not change their own oil are not real
> men. Any man under the age of 60 or over the age
> of 16 should be changing their own oil and
> teaching their kids how to do it. Do not forget to
> grease those zerks and fill the washer fluid as
> well. Do not trust your car to a quick lube place
> unless you have a broken arm or something.
> Let's hear some of your best oil changing stories
> on this thread before patrick throws the homo
> thread lock on it.

YOUR

%10000 incorrect

you didn't read shit about gas refining and about additive, additive patents, and their true effect on vehicles and efficiency

the fact is a made in USA additive (look for the "energy saving" near API) is very slippery, better for your casual car / light truck and saves %5 fuel easily.

many companies refuse to pay for the patent additive: but IT IS THAT GOOD

AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT

grease m Wrote:
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> Wrenchy McLube Wrote:
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> > I've been working on cars since I was 5. I'm 27
> > now. I live in a high-rise condo which doesn't
> > allow residents to work on their cars on
> property.
> > Gosh, I'd hate to think I have to take my
> S-Class
> > to the dealership because then I wouldn't be a
> > real man because I don't change my own oil and
> I
> > don't want to take it to a quick lube pace
> because
> > you know...they fuck up EVERY SINGLE car that
> has
> > ever rolled through there. I mean, they've been
> in
> > business since the end of WWII in some cases
> but
> > hey, all they do is fuck up cars, right? Every
> one
> > of 'em. They've never gotten shit right in 60
> > years, right? Ever.
> >
> > So, where can I go to change my own oil so I
> can
> > be a real man? I guess maybe your fucking
> house,
> > huh? Yeah...that's what I thought, fuckstick.
> Now
> > take your paraffin laden store brand oil and
> get
> > the fuck outta' here...
>
>
> Get out of that homo s class and into a c class.
> Then maybe you will have enough cash to get a
> proper home. At least you are under 30 so you have
> an excuse for living in a stinkin condo. Guys in
> their 30's and 40's that are still in a condo or a
> townhouse are sad losers.


those are fighting words

it will start with a lawsuit over ... MONEY

FrankR. Wrote:
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> Something I've noticed last few times I've had my
> oil changed with full synthetic is that the little
> sticker they affix to the windshield still shows a
> 3K mile interval for the next change. I asked the
> guy at Valvoline on Lee Highway why, and he gave a
> BS response. Anyone else had this happen?


All the time. Ignore it and change as noted in the service manual.

automotive expert as well Wrote:
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> Pat Goss Wrote:
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> > I always change my oil. Napa oil is solid.
>
>
> NAPA oil is high quality oil.

that may well be so. look at the back of the bottle not the font !

however beware. obama liberals have taken a shit on that too.

the API is no longer honest. it now just takes money and forms promising a product does meet it.

that's all it is

you must have %100 faith the (foreign or USA) product would not lie to beleive the API

or - slip it between your fingers. really.

mobil 1 wont pull your dick - even if synth isn't as slippery as "energy saving" yet

Lloydster Wrote:
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> eesh thread
> I could be wrong but I'm right 99% of the time

burn! burn!