Bring back the ban on assault rifles!!!! Who hell needs an AK-47 for hunting!

Me. Fuck off.

AWP Wrote:
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> Me. Fuck off.


Why?

NRA Nut Wrote:
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> AWP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Me. Fuck off.
>
>
> Why?

Why not?

Define 'assault rifle'

An assault rifle is an automatic rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.

That was easy...

Assault rifles have been banned for decades in this country. You just can't walk into a gun stor and purchase an assault rifle. There is a long and arduous process to get a permit to purchase an assault rifle. Very few people in this country have access to an assault rifle.

Ban violence in movies, TV, video games first. It has more of an influence.

NRA Nut Wrote:
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> Bring back the ban on assault rifles!!!! Who hell
> needs an AK-47 for hunting!


Please post a link to where a regular citizen can buy an AK-47 or other fully-automatic firearm or STFU. As others have posted, these have been banned for probably longer than most readers of this forum have been alive.

justsayin Wrote:
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> NRA Nut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bring back the ban on assault rifles!!!! Who
> hell
> > needs an AK-47 for hunting!
>
>
> Please post a link to where a regular citizen can
> buy an AK-47 or other fully-automatic firearm or
> STFU. As others have posted, these have been
> banned for probably longer than most readers of
> this forum have been alive.

Once again justsayin gets it wrong...


Fox News has confirmed that the weapons used by the Colorado shooter in an early Friday morning massacre by James Holmes, were purchased legally.

“We heard from the police chief in New York City earlier – police superintendent – and he had spoken with the folks in Colorado and gave us a rundown of all the weapons this guy had,” said Shepard Smith.

He went on to say that Fox News was able to confirm an ABC News report that the guns used in the Colorado shooting were purchased legally at two Gander Mountain gun shops in two separate towns.

“The other guns were purchased at two Bass Pro shops – both in Denver,” said Smith. “And what’s described by the law enforcement source as a ‘significant amount of ammo.’”

Actually legalizing fully auto weapons would save lives. You kill a lot less in FA mode, because people are stupid and learn their shooting from Hollywood.

justsayin Wrote:
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> NRA Nut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bring back the ban on assault rifles!!!! Who
> hell
> > needs an AK-47 for hunting!
>
>
> Please post a link to where a regular citizen can
> buy an AK-47 or other fully-automatic firearm or
> STFU. As others have posted, these have been
> banned for probably longer than most readers of
> this forum have been alive.

Um...

http://search.gandermountain.com/?cname=Centerfire-Rifles&Ne=1000&N=4517

fullyauto Wrote:
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> Actually legalizing fully auto weapons would save
> lives. You kill a lot less in FA mode, because
> people are stupid and learn their shooting from
> Hollywood.


Yup...Fully Auto mode is for cover fire.

The definition of 'assault rifle' isnt universally agreed upon. Some people think a semi-auto AR-15 that the colorado shooter had on him is an assault rifle. Some believe it has to be full automatic to earn the assault rifle moniker.

It is possible to own a full automatic rifle in Virginia. That doesnt mean you can just walk into a store, buy one and go shoot, there are licenses, permits and other hoops you have to jump through. Usually the people who have them in their possession are firearm dealers and no they arent selling them to you.

Here you go Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NRA Nut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Bring back the ban on assault rifles!!!! Who
> > hell
> > > needs an AK-47 for hunting!
> >
> >
> > Please post a link to where a regular citizen
> can
> > buy an AK-47 or other fully-automatic firearm
> or
> > STFU. As others have posted, these have been
> > banned for probably longer than most readers of
> > this forum have been alive.
>
> Um...
>
> http://search.gandermountain.com/?cname=Centerfire
> -Rifles&Ne=1000&N=4517


Um...
Pretty neat semi-automatic rifles there bro, I can buy that at Dicks ... where are the full auto 'assault weapons' that we need we are apparently in dire need of banning?

Here you go Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NRA Nut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Bring back the ban on assault rifles!!!! Who
> > hell
> > > needs an AK-47 for hunting!
> >
> >
> > Please post a link to where a regular citizen
> can
> > buy an AK-47 or other fully-automatic firearm
> or
> > STFU. As others have posted, these have been
> > banned for probably longer than most readers of
> > this forum have been alive.
>
> Um...
>
> http://search.gandermountain.com/?cname=Centerfire
> -Rifles&Ne=1000&N=4517


Those are SEMI-Automatic you idiot. Before you make yourself look even more stupid, become informed about the gun laws in this country if you want to have an intelligent conversation about them.

Here you go Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Please post a link to where a regular citizen can
> > buy an AK-47 or other fully-automatic firearm or
> > STFU. As others have posted, these have been
> > banned for probably longer than most readers of
> > this forum have been alive.
>
> Um...
>
> http://search.gandermountain.com/?cname=Centerfire-Rifles&Ne=1000&N=4517

See, prime example of people asking to ban things they can't even define. None of those are fully automatic firearms. Know why? Because we can't legally buy them. I suggest you read up on the positions you are supporting.

Read'em Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NRA Nut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Bring back the ban on assault rifles!!!! Who
> > hell
> > > needs an AK-47 for hunting!
> >
> >
> > Please post a link to where a regular citizen
> can
> > buy an AK-47 or other fully-automatic firearm
> or
> > STFU. As others have posted, these have been
> > banned for probably longer than most readers of
> > this forum have been alive.
>
> Once again justsayin gets it wrong...
>
>
> Fox News has confirmed that the weapons used by
> the Colorado shooter in an early Friday morning
> massacre by James Holmes, were purchased legally.
>
> “We heard from the police chief in New York City
> earlier – police superintendent – and he had
> spoken with the folks in Colorado and gave us a
> rundown of all the weapons this guy had,” said
> Shepard Smith.
>
> He went on to say that Fox News was able to
> confirm an ABC News report that the guns used in
> the Colorado shooting were purchased legally at
> two Gander Mountain gun shops in two separate
> towns.
>
> “The other guns were purchased at two Bass Pro
> shops – both in Denver,” said Smith. “And
> what’s described by the law enforcement source
> as a ‘significant amount of ammo.’”


^ Typical gun control idiot who has no clue what the words that they parrot even mean. And if you're counting on the news media for things like that, good luck. They're as clueless as you. lol

Read'em Wrote:
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> Once again justsayin gets it wrong...

No one is disputing he purchased weapons. No one (yet) is disputing he bought them legally. The OP wants to ban AK-47's, fully-automatic firearms. I said they are already illegal. How am I wrong?

I don't mind a 2A debate but we need to be on the same page as far as definitions go. Nothing the Batman guy had was fully automatic. "Assault rifle" often means "scary-looking rifle" to the press, but we can't use that definition if we are talking about the law. We have to use real meanings, and "assault weapon" means a firearm capable of fully-automatic fire.

For those that may not understand terms, fully automatic (an assault rifle) means you hold down the trigger and the weapon fires all its bullets until there are none left. Those are illegal for average Joes to buy. Semi-automatic means you get one bullet per trigger pull whether you hold down the trigger or not.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2012 12:32PM by justsayin.

Even if anyone could go out and buy a full auto "assault rifle" the cheapest I've seen them are $7000.

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> Even if anyone could go out and buy a full auto
> "assault rifle" the cheapest I've seen them are
> $7000.


Plus the tax fees. Plus all of the secure storage stuff that you have to do for them. Etc., etc.

So much misinformation....

justsayin, you sound like a fucking tool 'Fully Autos are illegal'

No they are not. You are wrong simply because automatic weapons are not illegal in the USA. The expired federal ban on assault rifles has been expired for 8 years, and even that was only a ban on the production or import of NEW semi-automatic weapons, all old weapons were grandfathered in.

Automatic weapons are federally regulated, but certainly not illegal.

Now, Im not saying you may or may not need to get a license/permit or register the automatic, but that is a far cry from the blanket illegality you are touting.

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> Even if anyone could go out and buy a full auto
> "assault rifle" the cheapest I've seen them are
> $7000.


I was pricing automatics out about 6 months ago or so... Man, WOW they get pricey. In all honesty, I was looking for one as an investment opportunity but anything worth buying is WAY out of my range. $10, 30 or 50K is sneezed at in collector circles.

JBass Wrote:
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> Now, Im not saying you may or may not need to get
> a license/permit or register the automatic, but
> that is a far cry from the blanket illegality you
> are touting.

I said average Joes can't do it, not that everyone couldn't. Yup, right up there earlier in the thread. The poster was posting Gander Mountain links, where obvisouly no one is buying an AK-47.

Not sure where you are getting this "blanket illegality" thing... military has it, as if you can get the permits you can get them (check out FPSRussia at YouTube). If you can get a permit to purchase a fully-automatic firearm you aren't an average Joe.

edit: JBass, if you aren't going to read I'm not going to answer your stupid posts. I'm not going to repeat myself in a new post for you. Fight with pigs and you get dirty and the pig just gets happy.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2012 01:36PM by justsayin.

justsayin Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now, Im not saying you may or may not need to
> get
> > a license/permit or register the automatic, but
> > that is a far cry from the blanket illegality
> you
> > are touting.
>
> I said average Joes can't do it, not that everyone
> couldn't. Yup, right up there earlier in the
> thread. The poster was posting Gander Mountain
> links, where obvisouly no one is buying an AK-47.
>
> Not sure where you are getting this "blanket
> illegality" thing... military has it, as if you
> can get the permits you can get them (check out
> FPSRussia at YouTube). If you can get a permit to
> purchase a fully-automatic firearm you aren't an
> average Joe.

"The OP wants to ban AK-47's, fully-automatic firearms. I said they are already illegal. How am I wrong? "

You are wrong because this'blanket-statement' is incorrect, not truthful, omitting key information, not complete.

Then you went and made yourself even more wrong by saying an "average Joe" cant buy one. All you need is the money to buy the weapon and tax stamp/background check and the time to wait for the bureaucratic process. Oh, and I suppose a record devoid of weapons, drugs, alcohol, assault and stalking charges... In NOVA, I'd call that an 'average Joe'.

W-R-O-N-G, wrong!

JBass Wrote:
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> Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Even if anyone could go out and buy a full auto
> > "assault rifle" the cheapest I've seen them are
> > $7000.
>
>
> I was pricing automatics out about 6 months ago or
> so... Man, WOW they get pricey. In all honesty,
> I was looking for one as an investment opportunity
> but anything worth buying is WAY out of my range.
> $10, 30 or 50K is sneezed at in collector circles.


And a lot of the low end is crap. Poorly made or beat up stuff that sells only because it's full auto.

Exactly, the low end stuff is not investment quality. Anything that is 'average' quality or better, pre 1986 will only go up, up UP in value! I beg anybody to argue differently.

JBass Wrote:
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> Then you went and made yourself even more wrong by
> saying an "average Joe" cant buy one. All you
> need is the money to buy the weapon and tax
> stamp/background check and the time to wait for
> the bureaucratic process.

That's like saying "all you need" to win the Olympics is be a top 0.005% athlete. I have a FFL-01, and there is no way I'm going through all the hoops to buy full auto. Just Saying has been right for what I have read, you are either splitting hairs or trolling. Read the thread title, it is based on an obviously-false understanding that others are trying to correct here.

Its so annoying that an incident like this brings all the gun control nuts out of the woodwork and they get so much airtime on the news. A mass killing like this is, thankfully, a somewhat rare occurrence. The majority of people who are killed by guns is result of suicide, then drug-related crime, then accidents.

Its a sexy topic to talk about banning guns that are "automatic" or "mass killing machines" but the reality is its the gun as a suicide weapon that kills the most. Even if you get rid of all the guns, guess what? The people who are looking to commit suicide are going to jump off buildings or take poison.

More gun laws or even enforcing them better will not prevent incidents like this, nor will they prevent the daily grind of gun deaths in this country. It is the intent of the shooter that will win out every time. If they can't get their hands on a gun, they'll move on to some other method.

Dentured Servant Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Then you went and made yourself even more wrong
> by
> > saying an "average Joe" cant buy one. All you
> > need is the money to buy the weapon and tax
> > stamp/background check and the time to wait for
> > the bureaucratic process.
>
> That's like saying "all you need" to win the
> Olympics is be a top 0.005% athlete. I have a
> FFL-01, and there is no way I'm going through all
> the hoops to buy full auto. Just Saying has been
> right for what I have read, you are either
> splitting hairs or trolling. Read the thread
> title, it is based on an obviously-false
> understanding that others are trying to correct
> here.

How am I trolling because justsayin said, and I quote ""The OP wants to ban AK-47's, fully-automatic firearms. I said they are already illegal. How am I wrong?"

They are not illegal. Period. he was wrong. Im correcting misinformation. OP wants to ban assault rifles, okay, thats a valid opinion (though I dont support it) justsayin says they are already illegal, they are not.

It would be like saying its illegal to carry a concealed weapon. Its not, its illegal to carry a concealed weapon WITHOUT a permit (in Virginia) or its illegal to drive a car. Its not illegal to drive a car. Its illegal to drive a car without a license.

SO the BLANKET statement 'Assault weapons are already illegal' is misleading and wrong. Troll on, troller!

Regardless, Id speculate that there is a much larger portion of the general public that own assault rifles than are Olympiads so your comparison is moot.

JBass Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Now, Im not saying you may or may not need to
> > get
> > > a license/permit or register the automatic,
> but
> > > that is a far cry from the blanket illegality
> > you
> > > are touting.
> >
> > I said average Joes can't do it, not that
> everyone
> > couldn't. Yup, right up there earlier in the
> > thread. The poster was posting Gander Mountain
> > links, where obvisouly no one is buying an
> AK-47.
> >
> > Not sure where you are getting this "blanket
> > illegality" thing... military has it, as if you
> > can get the permits you can get them (check out
> > FPSRussia at YouTube). If you can get a permit
> to
> > purchase a fully-automatic firearm you aren't
> an
> > average Joe.
>
> "The OP wants to ban AK-47's, fully-automatic
> firearms. I said they are already illegal. How am
> I wrong? "
>
> You are wrong because this'blanket-statement' is
> incorrect, not truthful, omitting key information,
> not complete.
>
> Then you went and made yourself even more wrong by
> saying an "average Joe" cant buy one. All you
> need is the money to buy the weapon and tax
> stamp/background check and the time to wait for
> the bureaucratic process. Oh, and I suppose a
> record devoid of weapons, drugs, alcohol, assault
> and stalking charges... In NOVA, I'd call that an
> 'average Joe'.
>
> W-R-O-N-G, wrong!


This argument over semantics is stupid. I can just as easily point to evidence that JBas is W-R-O-N-G. 18 USC 992(a)(4) clearly states - It shall be unlawful-for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, to transport in interstate or foreign commerce any destructive device, machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986), short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, except as specifically authorized by the Attorney General consistent with public safety and necessity.

So, it starts out as an illegal act unless you fit into one of the exceptions. Not many people fit into one of the exceptions.

You are arguing a stupid point. It is as if someone claimed that it is illegal to shoot someone and you came back and said "No, it is not illegal to shoot someone if it is in self defense." It is a bitchy tick-tacky thing to do.

The OP was under the stupid assumption that anyone could walk in to Bass Pro Shops and walk out with a fully auto weapon. He was clearly wrong.

Not sure why you are so bitchy today, but stop the trollin'

2nd amendment Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > justsayin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > JBass Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Now, Im not saying you may or may not need
> to
> > > get
> > > > a license/permit or register the automatic,
> > but
> > > > that is a far cry from the blanket
> illegality
> > > you
> > > > are touting.
> > >
> > > I said average Joes can't do it, not that
> > everyone
> > > couldn't. Yup, right up there earlier in the
> > > thread. The poster was posting Gander
> Mountain
> > > links, where obvisouly no one is buying an
> > AK-47.
> > >
> > > Not sure where you are getting this "blanket
> > > illegality" thing... military has it, as if
> you
> > > can get the permits you can get them (check
> out
> > > FPSRussia at YouTube). If you can get a
> permit
> > to
> > > purchase a fully-automatic firearm you aren't
> > an
> > > average Joe.
> >
> > "The OP wants to ban AK-47's, fully-automatic
> > firearms. I said they are already illegal. How
> am
> > I wrong? "
> >
> > You are wrong because this'blanket-statement'
> is
> > incorrect, not truthful, omitting key
> information,
> > not complete.
> >
> > Then you went and made yourself even more wrong
> by
> > saying an "average Joe" cant buy one. All you
> > need is the money to buy the weapon and tax
> > stamp/background check and the time to wait for
> > the bureaucratic process. Oh, and I suppose a
> > record devoid of weapons, drugs, alcohol,
> assault
> > and stalking charges... In NOVA, I'd call that
> an
> > 'average Joe'.
> >
> > W-R-O-N-G, wrong!
>
>
> This argument over semantics is stupid. I can
> just as easily point to evidence that JBas is
> W-R-O-N-G. 18 USC 992(a)(4) clearly states - It
> shall be unlawful-for any person, other than a
> licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed
> dealer, or licensed collector, to transport in
> interstate or foreign commerce any destructive
> device, machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of
> the Internal Revenue Code of 1986), short-barreled
> shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, except as
> specifically authorized by the Attorney General
> consistent with public safety and necessity.
>
> So, it starts out as an illegal act unless you fit
> into one of the exceptions. Not many people fit
> into one of the exceptions.
>
> You are arguing a stupid point. It is as if
> someone claimed that it is illegal to shoot
> someone and you came back and said "No, it is not
> illegal to shoot someone if it is in self
> defense." It is a bitchy tick-tacky thing to do.
>
>
> The OP was under the stupid assumption that anyone
> could walk in to Bass Pro Shops and walk out with
> a fully auto weapon. He was clearly wrong.
>
> Not sure why you are so bitchy today, but stop the
> trollin'

I get what you are saying about the 'illegal till you fit' bit. But I see a bit of a difference in a procedural, red-tape bureaucratic process and using a justification defense.

To fit into an exception for shooting someone, you would first have to fall under attack. To fit into an exception for automatic firearms ownership, you can simply decide you wish to go through the steps. Apples and Oranges. I cant go fishing without first deciding I want to go through the steps of obtaining a fishing license, but I bet if you told people "Fishing is illegal" they would look at you like you are crazy.

For that matter, I cant walk into Bass Pro Shops and walk out with a shotgun, either. I have to go through a background and screening process. So, by your and justsayins logic... ALL gun ownership is illegal. (Because going through a regulatory process deems it so) Quite the opposite, the regulatory process REAFFIRMS the legality of said weapons and the individuals right to own one.

R_in_FFX Wrote:

> It is possible to own a full automatic rifle in
> Virginia. That doesnt mean you can just walk into
> a store, buy one and go shoot, there are licenses,
> permits and other hoops you have to jump through.
> Usually the people who have them in their
> possession are firearm dealers and no they arent
> selling them to you.

It is possible but like you said it takes about 3-6 months to get it and will cost 10-12k. Its not easy to get at all

Why is it so hard for people to understand that all bans do is stop law abiding people from buying something.

Not once has anyone ever gone to shoot a place up, seen the no guns sign on the door and said well shit if I could bring my gun in I could kill people but its banned here so I cant

JBass Wrote:
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> For that matter, I cant walk into Bass Pro Shops
> and walk out with a shotgun, either. I have to go
> through a background and screening process. So,
> by your and justsayins logic... ALL gun ownership
> is illegal. (Because going through a regulatory
> process deems it so) Quite the opposite, the
> regulatory process REAFFIRMS the legality of said
> weapons and the individuals right to own one.


WRONG. There is nothing in the US Code that says it is illegal to purchase a handgun or shotgun. There is something in the US Code that says it is illegal to purchase a machine gun. BIG difference. One is legal with a regulatory framework the other is deemed illegal until exceptions are met. It really isn't how YOU see it, but how the law sees it and I just explained how the law sees it.

I can almost guarantee that anyone raving "bad all guns!", or "ban assault rifles!!", has never fired either one.

I have an AK-47 "assault rifle"...come take it from me. I double-dog dare ya

It shoots one bullet per trigger pull, making it semi-automatic, for the uninformed or just ignorant.

Funny thing is, I can make this "assault rifle" into a non-assault, regular rifle, in about a second. Wanna know how?

I take out the 30 round magazine and insert a 10 round magazine. BAM! No more assault rifle.

How do I know this? I know because when purchasing this rifle with a 30 round mag, I had to fill out the extra "I'm buying an assault rifle" paperwork. The proprietor of fun establishment where the our base was made told me that next time, to avoid the extra steps and paperwork, just buy the rifle with a 10 round mag, and Wah-lah...it's just a rifle.

Don't believe me? Look into it.

So, before we can ban "assault" rifles we need a clear cut, reasonable definition of what an assault rifle actually is. Simply looking scary and having a high capacity magazine does not, to me, make an assault rifle, as I can shoot up a movie theatre just as easy with a hunting rifle.

Know what you're talking about before you fucking say it. You'll look less ignorant and actually help instead of hurt your cause...

2nd Amendment Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For that matter, I cant walk into Bass Pro
> Shops
> > and walk out with a shotgun, either. I have to
> go
> > through a background and screening process.
> So,
> > by your and justsayins logic... ALL gun
> ownership
> > is illegal. (Because going through a regulatory
> > process deems it so) Quite the opposite, the
> > regulatory process REAFFIRMS the legality of
> said
> > weapons and the individuals right to own one.
>
>
> WRONG. There is nothing in the US Code that says
> it is illegal to purchase a handgun or shotgun.
> There is something in the US Code that says it is
> illegal to purchase a machine gun. BIG
> difference. One is legal with a regulatory
> framework the other is deemed illegal until
> exceptions are met. It really isn't how YOU see
> it, but how the law sees it and I just explained
> how the law sees it.

Who says we are talking about US code? Just because YOU misquoted/misunderstood a US code does not mean the Va state laws have no relevance to our debate....

for the record, I was gonna let it slide, but since you wont let up, That code only talks about the illegality of carrying said weapons across state lines without proper permits/documentations. No where in what you posted does it begin to touch on ownership within state boundaries.

So the Federal law requires me to have documentation to drive across a state line and you think this supports your argument that assault rifles are illegal?

Go lick your wounds and learn how to read legal jargon.

2nd Amendment Wrote:
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> Assault rifles have been banned for decades in
> this country. You just can't walk into a gun stor
> and purchase an assault rifle. There is a long
> and arduous process to get a permit to purchase an
> assault rifle. Very few people in this country
> have access to an assault rifle.


That's not true, you could go buy one at this very moment if you wanted too.

 

Que? Wrote:
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> I can almost guarantee that anyone raving "bad all
> guns!", or "ban assault rifles!!", has never fired
> either one.
>
> I have an AK-47 "assault rifle"...come take it
> from me. I double-dog dare ya
>
> It shoots one bullet per trigger pull, making it
> semi-automatic, for the uninformed or just
> ignorant.
>
> Funny thing is, I can make this "assault rifle"
> into a non-assault, regular rifle, in about a
> second. Wanna know how?
>
> I take out the 30 round magazine and insert a 10
> round magazine. BAM! No more assault rifle.
>
> How do I know this? I know because when
> purchasing this rifle with a 30 round mag, I had
> to fill out the extra "I'm buying an assault
> rifle" paperwork. The proprietor of fun
> establishment where the our base was made told me
> that next time, to avoid the extra steps and
> paperwork, just buy the rifle with a 10 round mag,
> and Wah-lah...it's just a rifle.
>
> Don't believe me? Look into it.
>
> So, before we can ban "assault" rifles we need a
> clear cut, reasonable definition of what an
> assault rifle actually is. Simply looking scary
> and having a high capacity magazine does not, to
> me, make an assault rifle, as I can shoot up a
> movie theatre just as easy with a hunting rifle.
>
> Know what you're talking about before you fucking
> say it. You'll look less ignorant and actually
> help instead of hurt your cause...


Sounds like California to me.

JBass Wrote:
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> 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > For that matter, I cant walk into Bass Pro
> > Shops
> > > and walk out with a shotgun, either. I have
> to
> > go
> > > through a background and screening process.
> > So,
> > > by your and justsayins logic... ALL gun
> > ownership
> > > is illegal. (Because going through a
> regulatory
> > > process deems it so) Quite the opposite, the
> > > regulatory process REAFFIRMS the legality of
> > said
> > > weapons and the individuals right to own one.
> >
> >
> > WRONG. There is nothing in the US Code that
> says
> > it is illegal to purchase a handgun or shotgun.
>
> > There is something in the US Code that says it
> is
> > illegal to purchase a machine gun. BIG
> > difference. One is legal with a regulatory
> > framework the other is deemed illegal until
> > exceptions are met. It really isn't how YOU
> see
> > it, but how the law sees it and I just
> explained
> > how the law sees it.
>
> Who says we are talking about US code? Just
> because YOU misquoted/misunderstood a US code does
> not mean the Va state laws have no relevance to
> our debate....
>
> for the record, I was gonna let it slide, but
> since you wont let up, That code only talks about
> the illegality of carrying said weapons across
> state lines without proper permits/documentations.
> No where in what you posted does it begin to
> touch on ownership within state boundaries.
>
> So the Federal law requires me to have
> documentation to drive across a state line and you
> think this supports your argument that assault
> rifles are illegal?
>
> Go lick your wounds and learn how to read legal
> jargon.



The federal government does regulate the minimum barrel length of rifles and shotguns. I believe it is 16" minimum for rifles and 18" minimum for shotguns.. States may impose their own stricter limits, but no state may allow less than these federally mandated barrel lengths

 

FRISKY! Whats up, man?

JBass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > For that matter, I cant walk into Bass Pro
> > Shops
> > > and walk out with a shotgun, either. I have
> to
> > go
> > > through a background and screening process.
> > So,
> > > by your and justsayins logic... ALL gun
> > ownership
> > > is illegal. (Because going through a
> regulatory
> > > process deems it so) Quite the opposite, the
> > > regulatory process REAFFIRMS the legality of
> > said
> > > weapons and the individuals right to own one.
> >
> >
> > WRONG. There is nothing in the US Code that
> says
> > it is illegal to purchase a handgun or shotgun.
>
> > There is something in the US Code that says it
> is
> > illegal to purchase a machine gun. BIG
> > difference. One is legal with a regulatory
> > framework the other is deemed illegal until
> > exceptions are met. It really isn't how YOU
> see
> > it, but how the law sees it and I just
> explained
> > how the law sees it.
>
> Who says we are talking about US code? Just
> because YOU misquoted/misunderstood a US code does
> not mean the Va state laws have no relevance to
> our debate....
>
> for the record, I was gonna let it slide, but
> since you wont let up, That code only talks about
> the illegality of carrying said weapons across
> state lines without proper permits/documentations.
> No where in what you posted does it begin to
> touch on ownership within state boundaries.
>
> So the Federal law requires me to have
> documentation to drive across a state line and you
> think this supports your argument that assault
> rifles are illegal?
>
> Go lick your wounds and learn how to read legal
> jargon.


Looks like Junior wants some more US Code. Lets look at subsection (o) of 922.

(o)
(1)Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun.

(2)This subsection does not apply with respect to—
(A)a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or

(B)any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect.

Want to come back for round 3? I have no problems busting you up some more if you want?

You are in over your head, fool. Better call for the lifeguard.

I believe having a folding or collapseible stock will qualify a rifle as an "assault rifle" as well.

 

JBass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> FRISKY! Whats up, man?


Oh nothing much, what about you? It's been a while dude.

 

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Assault rifles have been banned for decades in
> > this country. You just can't walk into a gun
> stor
> > and purchase an assault rifle. There is a long
> > and arduous process to get a permit to purchase
> an
> > assault rifle. Very few people in this country
> > have access to an assault rifle.
>
>
> That's not true, you could go buy one at this very
> moment if you wanted too.

No, you can't. You can buy an artificially labeled "assault weapon." But, you cannot buy an assault RIFLE. You should learn the difference.

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I believe having a folding or collapseible stock
> will qualify a rifle as an "assault rifle" as
> well.


Again, learn the difference between an assualt rifle and an assault weapon.

Mr. 2nd Amendment... assault rifles are not nessicarilly machine guns.

 

Why not go to the authority?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assault_rifles

An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine typically firing ammunition with muzzle energies and sizes intermediate between those of handgun and more traditional high-powered rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are categorized between light machine guns, intended more for sustained automatic fire in a support role, and submachine guns, which fire a handgun cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge. Assault rifles are the standard small arms in most modern armed forces, having largely replaced or supplemented larger, more powerful rifles, such as the World War II-era M1 Garand and Tokarev SVT. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with very limited capacity fixed magazines are generally not considered assault rifles.
Semi-automatic rifles are not in any way assault rifles as they are not selective fire (however in media firearms reporting the term 'assault rifle' usually refers to visual appearance rather than internal functionality). However, similar full sized weapons, with full-auto capabilities chambered in full-sized rifle rounds, are known as Battle rifles. Examples of Battle Rifles are the FN FAL, H&K G3 and M14 rifle. For these type of firearms, see List of battle rifles.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2012 03:13PM by Ralph Pootawn.

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. 2nd Amendment... assault rifles are not
> nessicarilly machine guns.


Google is your friend, use it.

2n Amendment Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > JBass Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > For that matter, I cant walk into Bass Pro
> > > Shops
> > > > and walk out with a shotgun, either. I
> have
> > to
> > > go
> > > > through a background and screening process.
>
> > > So,
> > > > by your and justsayins logic... ALL gun
> > > ownership
> > > > is illegal. (Because going through a
> > regulatory
> > > > process deems it so) Quite the opposite,
> the
> > > > regulatory process REAFFIRMS the legality
> of
> > > said
> > > > weapons and the individuals right to own
> one.
> > >
> > >
> > > WRONG. There is nothing in the US Code that
> > says
> > > it is illegal to purchase a handgun or
> shotgun.
> >
> > > There is something in the US Code that says
> it
> > is
> > > illegal to purchase a machine gun. BIG
> > > difference. One is legal with a regulatory
> > > framework the other is deemed illegal until
> > > exceptions are met. It really isn't how YOU
> > see
> > > it, but how the law sees it and I just
> > explained
> > > how the law sees it.
> >
> > Who says we are talking about US code? Just
> > because YOU misquoted/misunderstood a US code
> does
> > not mean the Va state laws have no relevance to
> > our debate....
> >
> > for the record, I was gonna let it slide, but
> > since you wont let up, That code only talks
> about
> > the illegality of carrying said weapons across
> > state lines without proper
> permits/documentations.
> > No where in what you posted does it begin to
> > touch on ownership within state boundaries.
> >
> > So the Federal law requires me to have
> > documentation to drive across a state line and
> you
> > think this supports your argument that assault
> > rifles are illegal?
> >
> > Go lick your wounds and learn how to read legal
> > jargon.
>
>
> Looks like Junior wants some more US Code. Lets
> look at subsection (o) of 922.
>
> (o)
> (1)Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall
> be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess
> a machinegun.
>
> (2)This subsection does not apply with respect
> to—
> (A)a transfer to or by, or possession by or under
> the authority of, the United States or any
> department or agency thereof or a State, or a
> department, agency, or political subdivision
> thereof; or
>
> (B)any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a
> machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the
> date this subsection takes effect.
>
> Want to come back for round 3? I have no problems
> busting you up some more if you want?
>
> You are in over your head, fool. Better call for
> the lifeguard.


So according to this misquote, it is completely against federal law to sell a machine gun anytime aftert the code took affect. Now given that we have federally licensed firearms dealers who sell to people other than government agents, dont you think you are once again, misquoting/misunderstanding the laws? I saw Red Jacket firearms sell a dozen fully automatic assault rifles last season. So you think they are just flagrantly breaking the laws in front of millions.

Whats sad, is that it seems like you truly believe you are making valid points. You are not. Noy are misquoting laws that support my argument, that with the will, time, money and clean record individuals can buy assault rifles.

Try again, Chief!

Ralph, I like how that wiki article has no reliable sources... wikipedia calls it a work a work of original research or something like that... the sources include some wackjob essay from the UK, and a couple cable tv show sources.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2012 03:32PM by friskydingo.

The ban on assault rifles ended September, 2004, or thereabouts, making domestically produced semi-automatic AK-47s legal.

JBass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 2n Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > JBass Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > For that matter, I cant walk into Bass
> Pro
> > > > Shops
> > > > > and walk out with a shotgun, either. I
> > have
> > > to
> > > > go
> > > > > through a background and screening
> process.
> >
> > > > So,
> > > > > by your and justsayins logic... ALL gun
> > > > ownership
> > > > > is illegal. (Because going through a
> > > regulatory
> > > > > process deems it so) Quite the opposite,
> > the
> > > > > regulatory process REAFFIRMS the legality
> > of
> > > > said
> > > > > weapons and the individuals right to own
> > one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WRONG. There is nothing in the US Code
> that
> > > says
> > > > it is illegal to purchase a handgun or
> > shotgun.
> > >
> > > > There is something in the US Code that says
> > it
> > > is
> > > > illegal to purchase a machine gun. BIG
> > > > difference. One is legal with a regulatory
> > > > framework the other is deemed illegal until
> > > > exceptions are met. It really isn't how
> YOU
> > > see
> > > > it, but how the law sees it and I just
> > > explained
> > > > how the law sees it.
> > >
> > > Who says we are talking about US code? Just
> > > because YOU misquoted/misunderstood a US code
> > does
> > > not mean the Va state laws have no relevance
> to
> > > our debate....
> > >
> > > for the record, I was gonna let it slide, but
> > > since you wont let up, That code only talks
> > about
> > > the illegality of carrying said weapons
> across
> > > state lines without proper
> > permits/documentations.
> > > No where in what you posted does it begin to
> > > touch on ownership within state boundaries.
> > >
> > > So the Federal law requires me to have
> > > documentation to drive across a state line
> and
> > you
> > > think this supports your argument that
> assault
> > > rifles are illegal?
> > >
> > > Go lick your wounds and learn how to read
> legal
> > > jargon.
> >
> >
> > Looks like Junior wants some more US Code.
> Lets
> > look at subsection (o) of 922.
> >
> > (o)
> > (1)Except as provided in paragraph (2), it
> shall
> > be unlawful for any person to transfer or
> possess
> > a machinegun.
> >
> > (2)This subsection does not apply with respect
> > to—
> > (A)a transfer to or by, or possession by or
> under
> > the authority of, the United States or any
> > department or agency thereof or a State, or a
> > department, agency, or political subdivision
> > thereof; or
> >
> > (B)any lawful transfer or lawful possession of
> a
> > machinegun that was lawfully possessed before
> the
> > date this subsection takes effect.
> >
> > Want to come back for round 3? I have no
> problems
> > busting you up some more if you want?
> >
> > You are in over your head, fool. Better call
> for
> > the lifeguard.
>
>
> So according to this misquote, it is completely
> against federal law to sell a machine gun anytime
> aftert the code took affect. Now given that we
> have federally licensed firearms dealers who sell
> to people other than government agents, dont you
> think you are once again,
> misquoting/misunderstanding the laws? I saw Red
> Jacket firearms sell a dozen fully automatic
> assault rifles last season. So you think they are
> just flagrantly breaking the laws in front of
> millions.
>
> Whats sad, is that it seems like you truly believe
> you are making valid points. You are not. Noy
> are misquoting laws that support my argument, that
> with the will, time, money and clean record
> individuals can buy assault rifles.
>
> Try again, Chief!


Hey Dummy, the laws are quotes word for word (I would have used the word verbatim, but didn't want to make you look it up). The two sections are to be read together. I don't expect you to be a lawyer to get that simple fact, but just literate and you should understand it.

It IS illegal with exceptions. The exceptions are listed for you. How you can argue with a term that says "IT SHALL BE ILLEGAL" is beyond the rational brain. Nobody said that you can't purchase them with the exceptions. However, they are the exceptions not the rule. If it was the rule, the statute would be constructed in a different way.

Speaking of digging, isn't it time you got back to your day job?

Joanna Caroll Wrote:
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> The ban on assault rifles ended September, 2004,
> or thereabouts, making domestically produced
> semi-automatic AK-47s legal.


There has been a ban on assault rifles for more than 30 years. Assault weapon ban ended in 2004.

Is it is illegal except for the Paragraph 2 subsection B,

SOOOOOO Its illegal except for any lawful transfer or lawful possession.

What are you trying to prove here? that lawmakers waste time making laws to cover things that are already regulated by other laws?

Flat out machine guns and assault rifles are not illegal, no matter how you slice it. If you wanna sit there with your tail between your legs and claim otherwise, go for it.

Its illegal to drive a car if its not registered, would you have us believe cars are illegal for the average joe to own?

" Its illegal to drive a car if its not registered, would you have us believe cars are illegal for the average joe to own?"

good point

 

friskydingo Wrote:
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> " Its illegal to drive a car if its not
> registered, would you have us believe cars are
> illegal for the average joe to own?"
>
> good point


Yes registering a machine gun is EXACTLY like registering a car. I hear there is a huge line outside the ATF FTB every Saturday morning of people waiting to get their NFA tax stamps!

JBass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Flat out machine guns and assault rifles are not
> illegal, no matter how you slice it. If you wanna
> sit there with your tail between your legs and
> claim otherwise, go for it.

Flat out, the language is in black and white that it is illegal with very limited exceptions. That whole "it shall be unlawful" thing doesn't make it illegal - Yeah, that makes SO much sense. Idjit. Sorry you can't accept it. You'll forget about how I embarrassed you after a few IPAs tonight.

Given that you have been made a fool for the umpteenth time, there is no reason for me to sit here with my tail between my legs.

Could someone please show me text from US code, not wikipedia, that defines the term "assault rifle?"


Another question.. I'mve never been convicted of a felony.. may I have a class III license? Just wondering.

 

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Could someone please show me text from US code,
> not wikipedia, that defines the term "assault
> rifle?"
>
>
> Another question.. I'mve never been convicted of a
> felony.. may I have a class III license? Just
> wondering.


http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html

I see the use of the wording "machine gun" a lot.... but what about assault rifle?

 

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Could someone please show me text from US code,
> not wikipedia, that defines the term "assault
> rifle?"
>
>
> Another question.. I'mve never been convicted of a
> felony.. may I have a class III license? Just
> wondering.


There is no definition of assault RIFLE in the US Code!!!!!! Are you sharing a brain with JBass?

Still can't find "assault rifle" definition in US code.... I'm not saying it isn't there, I'm just curious at this point.

 

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I see the use of the wording "machine gun" a
> lot.... but what about assault rifle?


Again, you are confusing Assault WEAPON with Assault RIFLE. It really isn't this complicated.

Please tell me you're trollin.

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Still can't find "assault rifle" definition in US
> code.... I'm not saying it isn't there, I'm just
> curious at this point.


Oh man, you're trollin and I fell for it. Good one.

2nd Amendment Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> friskydingo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Could someone please show me text from US code,
> > not wikipedia, that defines the term "assault
> > rifle?"
> >
> >
> > Another question.. I'mve never been convicted of
> a
> > felony.. may I have a class III license? Just
> > wondering.
>
>
> There is no definition of assault RIFLE in the US
> Code!!!!!! Are you sharing a brain with JBass?


Oh great, so there is no legal definition of assault rifle???

lol... thanks!

 

I'm not trolling at all... I'm serious. After this thread and its related research... I believe that the semantics between "assault rifle" and "assault weapons," which are rifles, have been muddied and twisted by both.pro gun and anti gun groups to suit their needs.

 

2nd Amendment Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Flat out machine guns and assault rifles are
> not
> > illegal, no matter how you slice it. If you
> wanna
> > sit there with your tail between your legs and
> > claim otherwise, go for it.
>
> Flat out, the language is in black and white that
> it is illegal with very limited exceptions. That
> whole "it shall be unlawful" thing doesn't make it
> illegal - Yeah, that makes SO much sense. Idjit.
> Sorry you can't accept it. You'll forget about
> how I embarrassed you after a few IPAs tonight.
>
> Given that you have been made a fool for the
> umpteenth time, there is no reason for me to sit
> here with my tail between my legs.


Its illegal except for when its legal. RIIIGHT, thats such a stringent, strict 'limited exception' You havent even shared the exceptions.

The exception is a citizen who wishes to own a machine gun filling out AFT form 4, paying a $200 transfer fee, submitting fingerprints and picture for background check and having LEO leadership in the state where you live signing an affidavit that ownership does not break any state or local laws.

Sounds easier than registering my car.

For what its worth, most of our laws are written in the similar style.... "It shall be illegal to (XYZ) unless (fill in the blank)


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§ 46.2-300. Driving without license prohibited; penalties.

No person, except those expressly exempted in §§ 46.2-303 through 46.2-308, shall drive any motor vehicle on any highway in the Commonwealth until such person has applied for a driver's license, as provided in this article, satisfactorily passed the examination required by § 46.2-325, and obtained a driver's license, nor unless the license is valid.

A violation of this section is a Class 2 misdemeanor. A second or subsequent violation of this section is a Class 1 misdemeanor.

SO its illegal to drive EXCEPT for the listed exemptions....

SO driving is illegal? You are a fucking putz. Its illegal to drive in Virginia, of course unless you fall under the very limited exception of being someone with a drivers license.

Dunce cap and corner for you.

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I'm not trolling at all... I'm serious. After this
> thread and its related research... I believe that
> the semantics between "assault rifle" and "assault
> weapons," which are rifles, have been muddied and
> twisted by both.pro gun and anti gun groups to
> suit their needs.


Assault weapon is a term that was formerly defined in the US code before the provision sunset in 2004. Assault rifle is a technical term in the industry that has a common meaning, fully automatic.

I think I even qualify for a class III licence!

 

2nd Amendment Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> friskydingo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not trolling at all... I'm serious. After
> this
> > thread and its related research... I believe
> that
> > the semantics between "assault rifle" and
> "assault
> > weapons," which are rifles, have been muddied
> and
> > twisted by both.pro gun and anti gun groups to
> > suit their needs.
>
>
> Assault weapon is a term that was formerly defined
> in the US code before the provision sunset in
> 2004. Assault rifle is a technical term in the
> industry that has a common meaning, fully
> automatic.


Assault weapon is defined by us code and assault rifle isn't... got it.

 

JBass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Flat out machine guns and assault rifles are
> > not
> > > illegal, no matter how you slice it. If you
> > wanna
> > > sit there with your tail between your legs
> and
> > > claim otherwise, go for it.
> >
> > Flat out, the language is in black and white
> that
> > it is illegal with very limited exceptions.
> That
> > whole "it shall be unlawful" thing doesn't make
> it
> > illegal - Yeah, that makes SO much sense.
> Idjit.
> > Sorry you can't accept it. You'll forget about
> > how I embarrassed you after a few IPAs tonight.
> >
> > Given that you have been made a fool for the
> > umpteenth time, there is no reason for me to
> sit
> > here with my tail between my legs.
>
>
> Its illegal except for when its legal. RIIIGHT,
> thats such a stringent, strict 'limited exception'
> You havent even shared the exceptions.
>
> The exception is a citizen who wishes to own a
> machine gun filling out AFT form 4, paying a $200
> transfer fee, submitting fingerprints and picture
> for background check and having LEO leadership in
> the state where you live signing an affidavit that
> ownership does not break any state or local laws.
>
>
> Sounds easier than registering my car.

CLEOs are under no obligation to sign those forms. If you had a background check, fingerprints, etc when you registered your car, I'd be surprised.


> For what its worth, most of our laws are written
> in the similar style.... "It shall be illegal to
> (XYZ) unless (fill in the blank)

Yes, but the firearms ones are much more stringent. You know it as it has been shown to you but are too stupid/stubborn to admit it. CLEOs are under no obligation to sign them. There have been many cases that basically said as much and many times CLEOs don't sign them.

> SO driving is illegal? You are a fucking putz.
> Its illegal to drive in Virginia, of course unless
> you fall under the very limited exception of being
> someone with a drivers license.

Yeah, LEO in my state did a background check on me when I applied for my DL. I remember him questioning my neighbors about my character and drinking habits before the state issued the DL. They took my fingerprints too and ran them through IAFIS. Dum Dum.

> Dunce cap and corner for you.

I can't seem to pry it off your head.

Simply put - ownership is the exception, not the rule, Sorry you fail to get that.

hehe, in Virginia they're described as assault firearms, not assault weapons or assault rifles.

so confusing.

 

JBass,
Call up the Sheriff in Arlington County and ask them what the process is for getting the signoff for an NFA permit. Hold the phone away from your ear in case the guy laughs too loud.

2nd Amendment Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> JBass,
> Call up the Sheriff in Arlington County and ask
> them what the process is for getting the signoff
> for an NFA permit. Hold the phone away from your
> ear in case the guy laughs too loud.


*yawn8 you are grasping straws now.

True

 

Would you two fellas agree that machine guns are highly regulated, but not hardly illegal as it pertains to federal law?

 

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Would you two fellas agree that machine guns are
> highly regulated, but not hardly illegal as it
> pertains to federal law?


This is what numb-nuts has been unable to grasp for hours.

JBass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass,
> > Call up the Sheriff in Arlington County and ask
> > them what the process is for getting the
> signoff
> > for an NFA permit. Hold the phone away from
> your
> > ear in case the guy laughs too loud.
>
>
> *yawn8 you are grasping straws now.


If you think straws are facts, you'd be right.

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=24&t=210589

Call Alexandria's sheriff and ask there too. Oh, but it is just like registering a car, right dummy?

No, JBass, I am not laughing with you, I am laughing at you.

Did the sheriff refuse to sign your car registration?LOL.

JBass Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> friskydingo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Would you two fellas agree that machine guns
> are
> > highly regulated, but not hardly illegal as it
> > pertains to federal law?
>
>
> This is what numb-nuts has been unable to grasp
> for hours.


You claim it is easier that registering a car and you call me numbnuts? I see a ton of cars in Arlington and Alexandria, but not a single NFA firearm that has been registered.

friskydingo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Would you two fellas agree that machine guns are
> highly regulated, but not hardly illegal as it
> pertains to federal law?


Full auto after 1986 is illegal. But yea thats basically true.

2nd Amendment Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > friskydingo Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Would you two fellas agree that machine guns
> > are
> > > highly regulated, but not hardly illegal as
> it
> > > pertains to federal law?
> >
> >
> > This is what numb-nuts has been unable to grasp
> > for hours.
>
>
> You claim it is easier that registering a car and
> you call me numbnuts? I see a ton of cars in
> Arlington and Alexandria, but not a single NFA
> firearm that has been registered.


No, but iof you had been out on Friday, you coulda seen me fist-pumping with butt-tail till the sun came up!

JBass Wrote:
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> 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > friskydingo Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Would you two fellas agree that machine
> guns
> > > are
> > > > highly regulated, but not hardly illegal as
> > it
> > > > pertains to federal law?
> > >
> > >
> > > This is what numb-nuts has been unable to
> grasp
> > > for hours.
> >
> >
> > You claim it is easier that registering a car
> and
> > you call me numbnuts? I see a ton of cars in
> > Arlington and Alexandria, but not a single NFA
> > firearm that has been registered.
>
>
> No, but iof you had been out on Friday, you coulda
> seen me fist-pumping with butt-tail till the sun
> came up!


Wouldn't I have had to have been out on Saturday to see that?

So you are claiming that because the current regulations dont adequately prohibit CLEOS from using their position to push their own agenda, that they are illegal?

I read a story about a cop taking a bribe once. Does that mean bribes are legal?

I saw a cop pass up a cup of coffee once, is coffee illegal?

JBass Wrote:
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> So you are claiming that because the current
> regulations dont adequately prohibit CLEOS from
> using their position to push their own agenda,
> that they are illegal?

I am claiming that they are illegal because the statute says so. I am pointing out the CLEO situations because you claim it is easier than registering your car. Get that mind to work, boy.


> I read a story about a cop taking a bribe once.
> Does that mean bribes are legal?

Non-sequiter

> I saw a cop pass up a cup of coffee once, is
> coffee illegal?

Non-sequiter

2nd Amendment Wrote:
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> JBass,
> Call up the Sheriff in Arlington County and ask
> them what the process is for getting the signoff
> for an NFA permit. Hold the phone away from your
> ear in case the guy laughs too loud.


The Chief of Police or the Commonwealths Attorney for your city/county of residence can also sign off on the form. The form is not for approval it is simply acknowledging that they are aware you want to own one. As far as Arlington I doubt anyone in the county would sign the form. Not sure what your avenues are if they refuse to sign.

mr b Wrote:
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> 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass,
> > Call up the Sheriff in Arlington County and ask
> > them what the process is for getting the
> signoff
> > for an NFA permit. Hold the phone away from
> your
> > ear in case the guy laughs too loud.
>
>
> The Chief of Police or the Commonwealths Attorney
> for your city/county of residence can also sign
> off on the form. The form is not for approval it
> is simply acknowledging that they are aware you
> want to own one. As far as Arlington I doubt
> anyone in the county would sign the form. Not sure
> what your avenues are if they refuse to sign.


You have zero avenues. Court cases accross the country have upheld the CLEOs refusal to sign. But, hey, it is easier than registering your car. LOL.

There are actually laws some places saying LEOs cant deny those permits just because they want too. The price along prices out common criminals and street thugs

2nd Amendment Wrote:
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> You have zero avenues. Court cases accross the
> country have upheld the CLEOs refusal to sign.
> But, hey, it is easier than registering your car.
> LOL.


Not true. Bought via LLC or NFA Trust you don't need the CLEO sign-off. Not expensive or difficult to do.

According to the FBI, of all the murders in 2010 (where the weapon is known)

358 people were killed with rifles (of all types)

745 people were killed with hands, feet, etc.


So if all the rifles were scary rifles, that means that more than twice as many people were killed by hands and feet than by so-called assault rifles.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2012 10:06PM by trogdor!.

I have an honest question:

How did the shooter manage to get his rifle into the movie theater?

meh Wrote:
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> I have an honest question:
>
> How did the shooter manage to get his rifle into
> the movie theater?


According to the reports that I've heard apparently he went into the theater without and then went out an emergency exit to get it all and came back in that way. Not clear whether he blocked the door open or someone let him back in.

None of this would of happened if everybody in the movie theater was carrying AK-47's!

Red-tape does not make something illegal. What should be illegal is public servants serving their own interests above their duty. Our lil friend 2nd ammendment, is just a boot-licking , gig-government loving cry baby.

Not illegal. Go!

GunNutz Wrote:
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> None of this would of happened if everybody in the
> movie theater was carrying AK-47's!

No what we need are better laws. Screw the idea of having guns be illegal, why not just make murder illegal? Then no one would murder anyone with any weapon with that law on the books. No more BS "oh they'll use knives if they can't get guns" arguments, just declare murder with ALL weapons illegal.

JBass Wrote:
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> Red-tape does not make something illegal. What
> should be illegal is public servants serving their
> own interests above their duty. Our lil friend
> 2nd ammendment, is just a boot-licking ,
> gig-government loving cry baby.
>
> Not illegal. Go!


Being wrong just doesn't get old for you. You are correct, red tape doesn't make something illegal, The words in the US Code "It SHALL be UNLAWFUL" makes it illegal. I never claimed to like the law just that I know it better than you which has been more than proven. While you are on a roll, any other inaccuracies you want to spout off? As for cry baby, I suppose your relative anonymity can allow you to talk like a big man. Next you'll be calling me a fag on the internet because that NEVER happens, bitch.

2nd Amendment Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Red-tape does not make something illegal. What
> > should be illegal is public servants serving
> their
> > own interests above their duty. Our lil friend
> > 2nd ammendment, is just a boot-licking ,
> > gig-government loving cry baby.
> >
> > Not illegal. Go!
>
>
> Being wrong just doesn't get old for you. You are
> correct, red tape doesn't make something illegal,
> The words in the US Code "It SHALL be UNLAWFUL"
> makes it illegal. I never claimed to like the law
> just that I know it better than you which has been
> more than proven. While you are on a roll, any
> other inaccuracies you want to spout off? As for
> cry baby, I suppose your relative anonymity can
> allow you to talk like a big man. Next you'll be
> calling me a fag on the internet because that
> NEVER happens, bitch.

Yep, its as illegal as driving a car. You are some kinda special stupid, arentcha?

JBass Wrote:
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> 2nd Amendment Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Red-tape does not make something illegal.
> What
> > > should be illegal is public servants serving
> > their
> > > own interests above their duty. Our lil
> friend
> > > 2nd ammendment, is just a boot-licking ,
> > > gig-government loving cry baby.
> > >
> > > Not illegal. Go!
> >
> >
> > Being wrong just doesn't get old for you. You
> are
> > correct, red tape doesn't make something
> illegal,
> > The words in the US Code "It SHALL be UNLAWFUL"
> > makes it illegal. I never claimed to like the
> law
> > just that I know it better than you which has
> been
> > more than proven. While you are on a roll, any
> > other inaccuracies you want to spout off? As
> for
> > cry baby, I suppose your relative anonymity can
> > allow you to talk like a big man. Next you'll
> be
> > calling me a fag on the internet because that
> > NEVER happens, bitch.
>
> Yep, its as illegal as driving a car. You are some
> kinda special stupid, arentcha?


Back to this red herring? Tell me genius, what is Title 18? What is it called? After you answer that, you can tell me who is the special kinda stupid, or just look in the mirror.

We'll walk through ir VERY slow so that even you can get it. First question is what is Title 18 of the US Code?

How is it a red herring? I posted a Virginia law that is structured just like the excerpt you are standing behind.

'It is ILLEGAL to drive.... EXCEPT for those with a license'... so based on your logic, driving is illegal. Really you are just arguing semantics. You can say machine guns are illegal for those who do not have a permit, but that does not make them flat-out illegal.

How do you explain the myrad of pawn shows and gun shows that show people buying and selling them over and over again.... Oh and if you look at some of the redneck putzes that are selling some of them I DARE you to tell me its impossible for an average joe.

You dont understand the law better than me.... You make that clearer with every special lil post

JBass Wrote:
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> I posted a Virginia law

Why post virginia law, what does that have to do with colorado law or federal firearms laws


> You dont understand the law better than me

oh yeah you sure know your laws, above proves it


know what i think, i think you break biological laws because crap comes out of your mouth in addition to your ass