57 states and there 2 other states he had not beeen to yet. how come there 59 states in america

he was referring to territories if he said that. think of Guam, Puerto Rico, etc.

he didnt go to guam , puerto rico etc he hasnt been in a terriotries

joeasdf Wrote:
>> he didnt go to guam , puerto rico etc he hasnt been in a terriotries


Oguama!

By Joe - this really must have pissed you off. Three whole threads about this topic!

Gosh if McCain ever makes a slip of the tongue.......

And your fact that he hasnt been in territories is Just wrong. He recently capaigned in the US Virgin Islands in between some rest and relaxation.

For someone so concerned about "facts"....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/11/2008 10:03AM by Radiophile.

Do you have a reference as to who reported this comment...when he said it? I see so much GOP propaganda on Obama..Hillary and Pelosi that I dont beleive any of it unless documented by a reputible source.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Do you have a reference as to who reported this
> comment...when he said it?

hypocrite.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIiA_bnMOfo

Can residents of the US territories even vote in the presidential election?

I don't think so.

Some of them conduct straw poll elections, but no, they do not have electoral college votes.


coffin Wrote:
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> Can residents of the US territories even vote in
> the presidential election?
>
> I don't think so.

Jeez-

The guy obviously misspoke. He said 50 and then was trying to correct himself to 47 and it came out 57 instead. The GOP is desperate to capitalize on ANYTHING.

Can residents of the US territories even vote in
> the presidential election?

What's the difference, the popular vote doesn't even count, just ask President Gore.

interesting.....

Barak Obama - 50 Lies and Counting: Posted on Politicalforum.com - Elections and Campaigns .Share with friends

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Nae is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR,
except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28 .) No One C ontacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of I srael.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colo mbia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the vot ers, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over47 lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq- LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My InvestmentConflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Di dn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Frrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

Please stop cutting and posting on this forum the bogus emails you receive.

What this email claims Obama said is not cited where or when - just a few words out of context.


And the responses.

For example, Please cite "HOW" Treehouse is "connected" to Wal Mart... Do they buy their pens and paper there? Are they connected by a road?

And "he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had" Well lets see - how do you rank corruption in Kenyan government? You say "One of"... One of the 2, 20, 50, 100 most corrupt governments in Kenyan history? Was the father corrupt?

What did his father do in this corrupt government?

If you work for the US Government, when your kid runs for President in 30 years, can we say of her dad "he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments the United States has ever had"? If she is a Republican, it might come up.

Never fucking mind. Just read your emails. If that is where you get your news from you are a lost cause already.

Gravis Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do you have a reference as to who reported this
> > comment...when he said it?
>
> hypocrite.


Gravis...I have tried to answer all your requests for more info. It's always a case of gotcha...you are wrong...you are a liar...this was a simple request. Grow up...leave me alone.

native. Wrote:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIiA_bnMOfo


thank you!

Oh yeah...he's got some territories to visit.
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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Gravis...I have tried to answer all your requests
> for more info.

and i appreciate that.


> It's always a case of gotcha...you
> are wrong...you are a liar...

you forgot hypocrite. besides, if you didnt do all those things, there wouldnt be a problem.


> this was a simple request.

funny how it's a simple request when you ask but when i ask you seem to think im asking too much of you.


>Grow up...leave me alone.

nobody is forcing you to use this site.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

rapp Wrote:
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> Oh yeah...he's got some territories to visit.

Are you crying again Vince? Go be left alone someplace else you fucking douchebag!

No I am not crying...I have learned the hard way that Gravis and a few others on here really arent interested in learning a thing. He asks for references...which I have provided at least 80% of the time...and in return have been callled a liar and now a hypcrite. He is obviously a disturbed personality with unresolved anger issues. So...I give up even trying to answer most of his posts,,,and I invite him to do the same with mine.

Vince 1.....why do u find a forum where u are appreciated. Clearly, it is not this one. LOL
Attachments:

watcher Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> interesting.....
>
> Barak Obama - 50 Lies and Counting: Posted on
> Politicalforum.com - Elections and Campaigns
> .Share with friends
>
> 1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt
> safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no
> effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
>
> 2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a
> privileged, well educated youth, who went on to
> work with the Kenyan Government.
>
> 3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he
> was part of one of the most corrupt and violent
> governments Kenya has ever had
>
> 4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom -
> LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass
> violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate
> election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first
> widespread violence in decades.
>
> 5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian -
> LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am
> according to her own interviews. Not to mention,
> Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one
> of 14 wives to 1 man.
>
> 6.) My Nae is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is
> Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means
> 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic
> and so is Obama.
>
> 7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced
> it daily at school, where you were registered as a
> Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your
> wife made you change, so you could run for
> office.
>
> 8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR,
> you were registered as Muslim there and got in
> trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check
> your own book).
>
> 9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one
> teacher says you could speak the language.
>
> 10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More
> Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the
> ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the
> language. What did you learn, how to study the
> Koran and watch cartoons.
>
> 11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR,
> except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East
> (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere
> else on the planet and thus have NO experience
> with our closest allies.
>
> 12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion
> - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to
> be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention
> of struggle to identify - your classmates said you
> were just fine.
>
> 13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office -
> LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you
> mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did,
> exist.
>
> 14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On
> Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you
> mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did,
> exist.
>
> 15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 -
> LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV,
> that you would not have enough experience by then,
> and you are all about having experience first.
>
> 16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR,
> they are common for YOU, but not many others have
> 130 NO VOTES.
>
> 17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by
> church groups and democrats, did you beg to change
> your misvote.
>
> 18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a
> senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
>
> 19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you
> were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
>
> 20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill -
> LIAR, you didn't write it,introduce it, change it,
> or create it.
>
> 21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it
> took just 14 days from start to finish.
>
> 22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your
> bill was rejected by your own party for its
> pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly
> because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which
> David Axelrod came.
>
> 23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as
> of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted
> for have yet to be released, exposing all the
> special interests pork hidden within.
>
> 24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess -
> LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who
> remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention
> anyone else but yourself, in your books.
>
> 25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR,
> your 111 economic policies were just combined into
> a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted
> against your own bill.
>
> 26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR,
> even your own supporters claim to have not seen
> BOLD action on your part.
>
> 27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year -
> LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed
> to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator,
> to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
>
> 28 .) No One C ontacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR,
> the Candian Government issued the names and a memo
> of the conversation your campaign had with them.
>
> 29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed
> the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your
> good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction
> of I srael.
>
> 30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR,
> after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the
> FARC, in Colo mbia, was found with a letter
> stating how you and he were working together on
> getting FARC recognized officially.
>
> 31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you
> allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for
> two weeks - and you still lost.
>
> 32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.
>
> 33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
>
> 34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said
> let the delegates decide.
>
> 35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer
> caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the vot ers,
> force a public vote, and only operate during small
> windows of time.
>
> 36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate -
> LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't
> write yourself.
>
> 37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR,
> that friend is threatening to sue if you do not
> stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
>
> 38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR,
> you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from
> running against you.
>
> 39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads
> of it.
>
> 40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have
> over47 lobbyists, and counting.
>
> 41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984
> Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on
> his Apple in one afternoon.
>
> 42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR,
> Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about
> this advertising to MySpace clients.
> 43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you
> inspire people with other people's words.
>
> 44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate -
> LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate -
> for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
>
> 45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq- LIAR, you
> weren't in office to vote against it AND you have
> voted to fund it every single time, unlike
> Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama.
> You also seem to be stepping back from your
> departure date - AGAIN.
>
> 46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care
> - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the
> 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.
>
> 47.) I Only Found Out About My InvestmentConflicts
> Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having
> sent you letters about this conflict have no
> record of any such letter ever being created or
> sent.
>
> 48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't
> wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over
> your heart during the Anthem.
>
> 49.) My Wife Di dn't Mean What She Said About
> Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow
> lock-step in the vain of Wright and Frrahkan, in
> relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
>
> 50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support -
> LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a
> million dollars through Treehouse, which is
> connected to Wal-Mart.

NoDems Wrote:
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> Vince 1.....why do u find a forum where u are
> appreciated. Clearly, it is not this one. LOL


I could care less how appreciated I am on here. Maybe your life and self esteem revolves around being "appreciated" on here. Mine does not.

OMG...the list above is ridiculous...I guess it's gonna be tough for "obama" to get over the coming Democratic landslide this November.

That list that Watcher posted is filled with spurious half-truths and outright misinformation.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp


All fifty haven't been investigated and confirmed yet, but it sure looks like one poor attempt at misrepresenting fact.