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The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Curious Cristina ()
Date: June 27, 2012 03:22AM

There are plenty of you regular posters who are not getting involved with 2cons threads. I would like to know why?

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Nothing to Add ()
Date: June 27, 2012 03:43AM

Curious Cristina Wrote:
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> There are plenty of you regular posters who are
> not getting involved with 2cons threads. I would
> like to know why?

Because I have nothing to add to the discussion, and would derive no joy from torturing Scott online.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: B/C ()
Date: June 27, 2012 04:57AM

It's just too much

Why add more fuel to the fire?

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Feel sick ()
Date: June 27, 2012 07:55AM

This is a train wreck!

I have no idea why the neighbor got involved. I bet she wishes she had stayed away. She sounds nutty too. She should let the police and mental health Dr's take over from here.

Scott scares me.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Hank Moody ()
Date: June 27, 2012 11:41AM

Curious Cristina Wrote:
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> There are plenty of you regular posters who are
> not getting involved with 2cons threads. I would
> like to know why?

For much the same reason that I do not play golf during a thunderstorm. I'm not looking to be a lightning rod for the attention of psychotic bi-polar crazy fucks that refuse to take their meds. BTDT.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: More Complete ()
Date: June 27, 2012 12:01PM

Honestly, it seems boring. The same loser guy posting over and over and over again about the same things.

You can read one page and get the whole picture. After that, it's lame. Nothing really to get "involved" with other than a huge snooze fest. No thanks.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: June 27, 2012 12:32PM

Curious Cristina Wrote:
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> There are plenty of you regular posters who are
> not getting involved with 2cons threads. I would
> like to know why?


After the initial week of the incident it was clear that posting anything wasn't worth it.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: June 27, 2012 01:15PM

I don't understand it. Maybe if I had a PhD in psychology with a thesis on lunatic ravings, I'd be able to contribute.

__________________________________
That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Fairfaxian ()
Date: June 27, 2012 02:05PM

Fairfax Underground has unfortunately been turned into a personal attack blog for 2concerned. This is not the purpose or design of Fairfax Underground.

Some of the categories for banning are:

* Posting complete garbage that has nothing to do with the topic or thread
* Personal attacks on other posters

2concerned has violated both of these simple rules.

2concerned's behavior is well past acceptable use.
I urge the admin to ban him permanently.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: TheNorthman ()
Date: June 27, 2012 02:21PM

Fairfaxian Wrote:
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> Fairfax Underground has unfortunately been turned
> into a personal attack blog for 2concerned. This
> is not the purpose or design of Fairfax
> Underground.
>
> Some of the categories for banning are:
>
> * Posting complete garbage that has nothing to do
> with the topic or thread
> * Personal attacks on other posters
>
> 2concerned has violated both of these simple
> rules.
>
> 2concerned's behavior is well past acceptable use.
>
> I urge the admin to ban him permanently.


Fairfaxunderground has been an attack blog since its inception.

As long as 2concerned keeps his rants to "off-topic" he can do more or less what he wants. General is a different story. Cary banned him for 3 days only after several warnings and then when 2concerned started spamming his youtube link into a bunch of different threads in General.

All things considered this guy's not so bad. He keeps his shit in 1 or 2 threads which makes him easy to ignore if you're not interested.

I won't name names but anybody who's been here for a while can remember trolls that would create hundreds of threads using different screen names simply to fuck with people. Those were the people that ruined the site IMO.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: scott fan ()
Date: June 27, 2012 02:23PM

i like scott

this place was a bore before he appeared

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: BEH ()
Date: June 27, 2012 03:04PM

I'm too involved with "sNaKEs iN fAiRfaX"

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 27, 2012 03:07PM

Really, the Lamb Center thread can't hold a candle to the snake thread in the main forum and all these 2concerned threads.

Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Date: June 27, 2012 05:08PM

I kinda feel sorry for the guy. And everyone's just goading him. It really can't end well. I posted on that thread once--just telling Scott that it looked like he had a really nice family and to focus his attention on them, not Fairfax Underground (or the school system). Of course it didn't do any good, but I felt I had to say it. At this point, I'm just hoping that his family emerges from this relatively unscathed.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: June 27, 2012 05:39PM

Warhawk Wrote:
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> I don't understand it. Maybe if I had a PhD in
> psychology with a thesis on lunatic ravings, I'd
> be able to contribute.
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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 27, 2012 05:58PM

I felt bad for the guy for the way people were egging him on, but wasn't going to say anything because I didn't want to end up in a crazy person's sights. My conscience got the better of me when I saw people actively encouraging his paranoia and asked people to stop poking that bear. Now he thinks I'm some guy named Wolf.

Fucking conscience.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: More Complete ()
Date: June 27, 2012 06:19PM

eesh Wrote:
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> Really, the Lamb Center thread can't hold a candle
> to the snake thread in the main forum and all
> these 2concerned threads.

The Snakes thread is an offshoot of the Lamb Center thread, a spin-off, if you will. Thing is that thread and its creator, (BLEH) are as phony as a three dollar bill.

2Concerned is pretty upfront about who he is, his phone number, where he lives, etc. I guess I find the lack of mystery to be less intriguing.

I still say the Lamb Center thread retains the title.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 27, 2012 06:20PM

Howlin' Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now he thinks I'm some guy named Wolf.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Who's the guy on the right?

Why, that's eesh, of course.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 27, 2012 06:22PM

circus freaks rule Wrote:
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> Howlin' Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Now he thinks I'm some guy named Wolf.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Who's the guy on the right?
>
>
>
> eesh?

TOO SLOW!

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: June 27, 2012 06:44PM

Threads that grow that quickly are not worth the effort it takes to keep up. Luckily I got what I needed from reading one page and asking one question. That is about how long it took to lose interest.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: June 27, 2012 07:27PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I felt bad for the guy for the way people were
> egging him on, but wasn't going to say anything
> because I didn't want to end up in a crazy
> person's sights. My conscience got the better of
> me when I saw people actively encouraging his
> paranoia and asked people to stop poking that
> bear. Now he thinks I'm some guy named Wolf.
>
> Fucking conscience.
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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Spectator ()
Date: June 27, 2012 07:50PM

Personally, I find this insight into the mind of an intelligent, witty manic depressive quite fascinating, if somewhat repetitive and rather disturbing.

Like others, I tried to help Scott, but stopped when I realized that the only voices he listens to are the ones in his head.

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there is no point in beating a dead horse.....................except, of course, for the sheer pleasure of it LoLz
Posted by: Gordon Blvd ()
Date: June 27, 2012 07:55PM

@Spectator - I know it's taught me a thing or two about mental illness, that's for sure........
@Vexxed - OUCH!!
@Genevieve - +1
@Mr M - you are where I was this time last month LoLz

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: June 28, 2012 03:02AM

Curious Cristina Wrote:
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> There are plenty of you regular posters who are
> not getting involved with 2cons threads. I would
> like to know why?


Which regulars?

The "regulars" who create "2con" threads, or the "regulars" who post regularly, but are not actual "regulars"? ..... a very different thing, indeed

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: the devil wears tevas ()
Date: June 28, 2012 03:18AM

eesh just got back home from his bloodsucking adventures in richmond

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: June 28, 2012 03:19AM

nonsensical Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > or the
> > "regulars" who post regularly, but are not
> actual
> > "regulars"? .....
>
>
> That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Actually, it makes perfect sense.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: June 28, 2012 03:25AM

interesting Wrote:
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> Alias posts at 3:02am and eesh's last activity
> suddenly jumps several hours ahead to 3:05am
> (after being inactive for hours).
>
>
>
>
> Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
> Posted by: Alias ()
> Date: June 28, 2012 03:02AM
>
> Curious Cristina Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There are plenty of you regular posters who are
> > not getting involved with 2cons threads. I
> would
> > like to know why?
>
>
> Which regulars?
>
> The "regulars" who create "2con" threads, or the
> "regulars" who post regularly, but are not actual
> "regulars"? ..... a very different thing,
> indeedForum
>
>
>
>
>
> Goto: List•Back to Forum•Search•Log
> In User Profile :
> eesh Email: Hidden
> Real Name: Tanin'iver
> Posts: 23,639
> Registered: 07/23/2009 12:10PM
> Last Activity: 06/28/2012 03:05AM
> Options: Send a PM•Add Buddy• Show all posts


eesh likes to have the last word.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: June 28, 2012 03:27AM

sorry Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > nonsensical Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Alias Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > >
> > > > or the
> > > > "regulars" who post regularly, but are not
> > > actual
> > > > "regulars"? .....
> > >
> > >
> > > That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
> >
> > Actually, it makes perfect sense.
>
>
> No, it doesn't.
>

Yes, it does.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: June 28, 2012 03:43AM

Damn, you're good, eesh.

How can you see my IP? This is scary.

Hey, why isn't spell check working with Firefox?

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Web Bugs ()
Date: June 28, 2012 04:03AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Damn, you're good, eesh.
>
> How can you see my IP? This is scary.
>
There's a Web bug in the message posted by "sorry", so everyone who reads this thread has his IP address transmitted to whoever posted that message.

Cary wrote about how Web bugs work and why he doesn't do anything to fix this vulnerability some time back, but I don't feel like searching for the post.

Basically, however, you should pretty much assume that any time you read a thread on FFXU, there's a chance someone will harvest your IP address.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: 2concerned ()
Date: June 28, 2012 06:20AM

Hank Moody: "I'm not looking to be a lightning rod for the attention of psychotic bi-polar crazy fucks that refuse to take their meds."

Your actions and your words are clearly inconsistent. Who's the Psychotic Bi-Polar Crazy Fuck of whom you speak?

Thanks for yet another great "fan thread", guys!

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Mr Grimm ()
Date: June 28, 2012 07:48AM

done and done Wrote:
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> That's how I got Northman's IP in Westminster, MD
> as well, however, Cary removed the post with the
> "invisible" IP tracker in it.




You act like you figured out how to do it by yourself and that you actually accomplished something...
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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Hank Moody ()
Date: June 28, 2012 07:51AM

2concerned Wrote:
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> Hank Moody: "I'm not looking to be a lightning rod
> for the attention of psychotic bi-polar crazy
> fucks that refuse to take their meds."
>
> Your actions and your words are clearly
> inconsistent. Who's the Psychotic Bi-Polar Crazy
> Fuck of whom you speak?
>
> Thanks for yet another great "fan thread", guys!


Go take your meds.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: 2concermed ()
Date: June 28, 2012 07:53AM

Hank Moody Wrote:
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>
>
> Go take your meds.



I will not take any force-fed medications prescribed based on a false diagnosis by a government that is trying to discredit me and cover up what really happened.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Hank Moody ()
Date: June 28, 2012 07:56AM

2concermed Wrote:
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> Hank Moody Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> >
> > Go take your meds.
>
>
>
> I will not take any force-fed medications
> prescribed based on a false diagnosis by a
> government that is trying to discredit me and
> cover up what really happened.

For someone who is supposedly not in a state of paranoid psychosis, you play the part rather well. Kudos to you!

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Hank Moody ()
Date: June 28, 2012 08:44AM

sorry Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > nonsensical Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Alias Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > >
> > > > or the
> > > > "regulars" who post regularly, but are not
> > > actual
> > > > "regulars"? .....
> > >
> > >
> > > That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
> >
> > Actually, it makes perfect sense.
>
>
> No, it doesn't.
>
>
>

iplogger.org, eh? Another one to add to my hosts file.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: 2concerned ()
Date: June 30, 2012 05:41PM

"For someone who is supposedly not in a state of paranoid psychosis, you play the part rather well. Kudos to you!"

Yeah, I played a bunch of things rather well, if I say so myself.

That's going to be the fun of this -- when people show up with literal interpretations, they'll be easy to discredit. Even though I haven't told any lies or libel, there's a lot of obviously satirical stuff in here.

And, there was a lot of stuff to "push buttons".

Maybe I am crazy, though: if an expert like Sharon Pettigrew claims that I appear to be, then who am I to argue?

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: 2concerned ()
Date: June 30, 2012 05:44PM

FWIW, though, I was having some genuine "issues" after the Police visit on the 24th.

Instead of giving support, my neighbors were all like "have you gotten help?"

Yeah, when Sharon's Husband started asking about if I should go to the hospital before he even asked what happened, I decided it was time to distance myself.

As the Facebook logs show, I never cut her off. I will say that her posts actually had me worried about her at the same time she claims to have been worrying about me. I didn't call the Police, though. Nor did I run around the neighborhood spreading poison. Perhaps the mistake was mine.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: 2concerned ()
Date: June 30, 2012 05:46PM

The "issues", BTW, are called "PTSD", no matter what Tski thinks.

No, you don't need to be "locked up" just because you can't shake the feeling that the Police are going to swing around the corner without warning any second -- especially when they've done it a few times before.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: July 01, 2012 02:46AM

Web Bugs Wrote:
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> Basically, however, you should pretty much assume
> that any time you read a thread on FFXU, there's a
> chance someone will harvest your IP address.


IPs are difficult to decipher...... even Cary has trouble figuring out who's who.

He thinks I'm Meade Skelton.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Dr. Teri~ MD/PhD Psychiatrist ()
Date: July 01, 2012 02:54AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Web Bugs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Basically, however, you should pretty much
> assume
> > that any time you read a thread on FFXU, there's
> a
> > chance someone will harvest your IP address.
>
>
> IPs are difficult to decipher...... even Cary has
> trouble figuring out who's who.
>
> He thinks I'm Meade Skelton.



Alias without a doubt has dissociative identity disorder .

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: July 01, 2012 03:22AM

Dr. Teri~ MD/PhD Psychiatrist Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Web Bugs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Basically, however, you should pretty much
> > assume
> > > that any time you read a thread on FFXU,
> there's
> > a
> > > chance someone will harvest your IP address.
> >
> >
> > IPs are difficult to decipher...... even Cary
> has
> > trouble figuring out who's who.
> >
> > He thinks I'm Meade Skelton.
>
>
>
> Alias without a doubt has dissociative identity
> disorder .


Hardly .

What I do have is integrity: a disease that prevented me from viewing Misery's PMs on that Sunday afternoon, in January, when I had access to his account.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: 2concerned ()
Date: July 01, 2012 09:10AM

"IPs are difficult to decipher...... even Cary has trouble figuring out who's who."

Unless they're static. You can usually tell when a company shows special interest in something.

Otherwise, no, they don't do much good without a subpeona to the IP.

"integrity: a disease that prevented me from viewing Misery's PMs"

You must be in IT. It's funny how most of learn to do that without even considering the privacy violation. Not all, unfortunately, but the good ones do.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Too Busy ()
Date: July 01, 2012 10:38AM

I'm just too busy riding hard and partying hard for Timmy with the WNC!

Riding Free

Rusty

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Integrity? Yeah, right! ()
Date: July 01, 2012 05:01PM

Alias Wrote:
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>
> What I do have is integrity:



Was this when you were a man online, or now, as a woman?



a disease that
> prevented me from viewing Misery's PMs on that
> Sunday afternoon, in January, when I had access to
> his account.



You've always had access to Misery's account.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: July 01, 2012 07:46PM

Sigh, I'm ready for these threads to go away. It is certainly a train wreck.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: rent your forehead for advertising ()
Date: July 01, 2012 08:06PM

Genevieve Wrote:
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> It
> is certainly a train wreck.


So is your face and body.
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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: July 01, 2012 08:22PM

Seriously, my troll is still alive? I can't hold a grudge for 6 months and you are still mad about... well what exactly?

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: poor baby ()
Date: July 01, 2012 08:24PM

Genevieve Wrote:
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> Seriously, my troll is still alive? I can't hold
> a grudge for 6 months and you are still mad
> about... well what exactly?


You rejection of Misery's advances scarred him so!

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: July 01, 2012 08:26PM

poor baby Wrote:
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>
> You rejection of Misery's advances scarred him so!


This predates Mr. Miz...

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: PreMIZ ()
Date: July 01, 2012 08:27PM

Genevieve Wrote:
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> poor baby Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > You rejection of Misery's advances scarred him
> so!
>
>
> This predates Mr. Miz...



Miz was on here before he was Miz.

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Guess what ()
Date: July 01, 2012 08:41PM

Your troll is Patrick

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: go troll 4lulz ()
Date: July 01, 2012 08:44PM

Guess what Wrote:
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> Your troll is Patrick


Nice try, Miz!

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Re: The ones not getting involved in 2cons thread
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: July 05, 2012 04:57PM

Integrity? Yeah, right! Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > What I do have is integrity:
>
>
>
> Was this when you were a man online, or now, as a
> woman?
>
>
>
> a disease that
> > prevented me from viewing Misery's PMs on that
> > Sunday afternoon, in January, when I had access
> to
> > his account.
>
>
>
> You've always had access to Misery's account.


You, my dear, are an idiot.

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