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Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Believer ()
Date: March 24, 2008 12:07PM

Easter says it all: The stone was rolled away and he wasn't there !

He rose again and he died for our sins. His blood shed at Calvary just for you and me. Jesus Christ paid the ultimate sacrifice in full.


How could anyone not love our Lord and Saviour? God's gift to us as eternal life through his beloved son Jesus Christ


John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, so that whoever shall believeith in him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life"

Its right in there, folks!


People seek the truth and why we are here. Its all in the HOLY BIBLE!


Jesus Christ is Lord ! That is the truth!

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: March 24, 2008 12:15PM


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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Travis ()
Date: March 24, 2008 12:22PM

Do you read the Bible? Becuase there's this passage I've got memorized: Ezekiel 25:17.

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison my brothers. And you will know that I am the Lord when I lay My vengence upon you.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: inkahootz ()
Date: March 24, 2008 01:24PM

I'm skerred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 24, 2008 01:30PM

Believer Wrote:

>
> People seek the truth and why we are here. Its all
> in the HOLY BIBLE!
>
>
>


You should pick up a copy of Misquoting Jesus. That will show you how truthful the Bible actually is.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 24, 2008 01:32PM

Travis Wrote:
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> Do you read the Bible? Becuase there's this
> passage I've got memorized: Ezekiel 25:17.
>
> The path of the righteous man is beset on all
> sides by the inequities of the selfish and the
> tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name
> of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through
> the valley of darkness, for he is truly his
> brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.
> And I will strike down upon thee with great
> vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to
> poison my brothers. And you will know that I am
> the Lord when I lay My vengence upon you.

Nice job, Samuel.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 24, 2008 01:38PM

Check out the big brain on Travis!


lol, great quote

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 24, 2008 01:42PM

inkahootz Wrote:
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This is interesting and makes sense, though I bet if you really delved into this theory some of the facts being quoted would not be entirely accurate.

That said, I would also like to point out that Apollo, the son of both Zeus (Greek) and Saturn (Romans) was the Son of God who was known for his ability to heal and who also served as a shepherd to all herds and flocks. He also channeled the powers of Zeus.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 24, 2008 08:36PM

Jesus is nothing more then a myth...right up there with santa claus...and the easter bunny.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2008 06:58AM by Vince(1).

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Saint Nick ()
Date: March 24, 2008 10:41PM

santa "clause" That must be the addendum on the Christmas contract about being bad and not getting toys

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 25, 2008 06:58AM

duly noted...ty

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: erik ()
Date: March 25, 2008 08:29AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Jesus is nothing more then a myth...right up there
> with santa claus...and the easter bunny.

Funny. On Sunday I saw a goldfish roll a lincoln log into my sock drawer. That's easter, right?

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 25, 2008 09:29AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Jesus is nothing more then a myth...right up there
> with santa claus...and the easter bunny.


I think there was probably a Rabbi named Jesus (or Yeshua) who inspired a group of apostles to rebel against the Romans and, in the process, got himself killed. I think all the super-power stuff was added later by Constantine and others to make Christianity more acceptable to the Romans.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 25, 2008 05:03PM

key word "probably"...otherwise 100% on the mark!

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Wrinkle ()
Date: March 25, 2008 06:25PM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> I think there was probably a Rabbi named Jesus (or
> Yeshua) who inspired a group of apostles to rebel
> against the Romans and, in the process, got
> himself killed. I think all the super-power stuff
> was added later by Constantine and others to make
> Christianity more acceptable to the Romans.

I think historical records, even back that far, are reliable enough to be pretty confident the dude existed. And he was clearly a trouble-maker for the Romans. Times were tough back then and folks would've been keen to line up behind someone who pushed the right buttons for them. Whether or not he spouted the BS that's attributed to him is more questionable, however. I tend to agree that it was more likely added later by folks who wished to cash in on his influence. Then it was just a matter of taking phenomena that at the time were unexplainable (floods, rainbows, earthquakes, eclipses, comets, etc), claim they were the work of a "creator", and scare folks into coming to their building to "worship" (and more importantly drop some cash on the way in). Have you ever seen inside the Vatican City??! The Catholic Church is so rich it's sickening. It's got a frickin' good business model though...

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Lurker.. ()
Date: March 25, 2008 06:52PM

We can barely understand the language barrier between texting kids and adults. Imagine trying to interpret a book written in Hebrew and Greek from 2000 years ago. OMG ORLY-LOL!

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 25, 2008 07:18PM

Wrinkle Wrote:
>>It's got a frickin' good business model though...

George Carlin has a brilliant comedy bit on the business of religion.




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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: MusicLover ()
Date: March 25, 2008 07:35PM

Amen! I got saved when I was 17. Jesus really has changed my life. I was raised in a Christian home and went to church as a youngin', but I never really understood Christ' love or accepted his sacrifice til later.

You must be born again to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I feel lucky that I grew up in a family of believers. We will all meet someday on the golden shore.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Wrinkle ()
Date: March 25, 2008 07:36PM

"...results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being." -- awesome!

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 25, 2008 10:05PM

MusicLover Wrote:
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> Amen! I got saved when I was 17. Jesus really has
> changed my life. I was raised in a Christian home
> and went to church as a youngin', but I never
> really understood Christ' love or accepted his
> sacrifice til later.
>
> You must be born again to enter the Kingdom of
> Heaven. I feel lucky that I grew up in a family of
> believers. We will all meet someday on the golden
> shore.

This philosophy of exclusivity..that the only way to heaven is through only one door is what makes most modern religions dangerous and oppressive. It gives the "true" beleiver the right to look at non-beleivers as something already "lost"...worthy of any cruelties this world has to offer. We see this logic being spouted by muslims and christians...in fact the christians invented it!

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 26, 2008 07:05AM

Wrinkle Wrote:
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> WashingToneLocian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think there was probably a Rabbi named Jesus
> (or
> > Yeshua) who inspired a group of apostles to
> rebel
> > against the Romans and, in the process, got
> > himself killed. I think all the super-power
> stuff
> > was added later by Constantine and others to
> make
> > Christianity more acceptable to the Romans.
>
> I think historical records, even back that far,
> are reliable enough to be pretty confident the
> dude existed. And he was clearly a trouble-maker
> for the Romans. Times were tough back then and
> folks would've been keen to line up behind someone
> who pushed the right buttons for them. Whether or
> not he spouted the BS that's attributed to him is
> more questionable, however. I tend to agree that
> it was more likely added later by folks who wished
> to cash in on his influence. Then it was just a
> matter of taking phenomena that at the time were
> unexplainable (floods, rainbows, earthquakes,
> eclipses, comets, etc), claim they were the work
> of a "creator", and scare folks into coming to
> their building to "worship" (and more importantly
> drop some cash on the way in). Have you ever seen
> inside the Vatican City??! The Catholic Church is
> so rich it's sickening. It's got a frickin' good
> business model though...


Actually I do not beleive there are any official records....outside the bible that anyone named Jesus ever existed.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 26, 2008 09:30AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> Actually I do not beleive there are any official
> records....outside the bible that anyone named
> Jesus ever existed.


Jesus's name in Aramaic was Yeshua. Yeshua was a pretty common name at the time. The book Misquoting Jesus explains how Yeshua became "Jesus" due to improper translations of the name from Greek to Latin. He was actually named Yeshua, not Jesus.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 26, 2008 09:35AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
>
> Actually I do not beleive there are any official
> records....outside the bible that anyone named
> Jesus ever existed.


Also keep in mind that as far as the Romans were concerned Jesus (or Yeshua) was a pretty inconsequential figure in Israel until about 200 or 300 years after his death. It wasn't until the Roman Empire started to recognize Christians instead of persecuting them that the gospels and letters that make up the Bible were protected by Roman institutions. Also consider that the 12 apostles were illiterate, so the story of Jesus was an oral history for 100 years or more (except for the letters of Paul who, I might add, never knew Jesus when he was alive and who had a tenuous relationship with Peter who believed only Jews should follow Jesus while Paul believed anyone could be a Christian).

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 26, 2008 09:43AM

MusicLover Wrote:

>
> You must be born again to enter the Kingdom of
> Heaven. I feel lucky that I grew up in a family of
> believers. We will all meet someday on the golden
> shore.


This is what I don't get about people who have devout faith in Jesus as the Savior. Look at some of the common beliefs in the world around the time the Roman Empire became Christian...

- The Earth was flat and was the center of the Universe.
- An alchemist could turn lead into gold.
- Leeches cured disease.
- Oracles could tell the future.

The reason we don't believe in these things anymore is that there is ample scientific evidence to contradict them. I don't want to bash anyone's beliefs, but the fact is there is ample evidence, even philosophical and not necessarily scientific, that God as represented in the Bible simply does not exist.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Travis ()
Date: March 26, 2008 12:11PM

You are the weak. And I am the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin' Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: BELIEVER ()
Date: March 26, 2008 12:50PM

Actually, leeches do have a very beneficial affect on disease according to studies..

The earth was flat was bleieved by Christians and Heathens alike. Had nothing to do with Christianity.

The point is, God allowed for knowledge to be increased. It says so in the book of Daniel (if you have ever even read the Bible)

Im surprised here we are in the Bible Belt, and so many folks have not even picked up their Bible enough to know the facts!

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 26, 2008 04:15PM

BELIEVER Wrote:
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> Actually, leeches do have a very beneficial affect
> on disease according to studies.
>

Please post a link, if you have one.

> The earth was flat was bleieved by Christians and
> Heathens alike. Had nothing to do with
> Christianity.

My point being that Christianity is just as much a superstition as these other things but because people get freaked out when they are shown the truth about religion, they just go from using "Believer" and a Username to "BELIEVER," like that will somehow change reality.


>
> The point is, God allowed for knowledge to be
> increased. It says so in the book of Daniel (if
> you have ever even read the Bible)

The Bible says eating from the Tree of Knowledge led Adam and Eve to be cast from the Garden of Eden. Does God want people to know things or not? This is the kind of thing I am talking about in terms of the Bible not holding up to logical scrutiny.

>
> Im surprised here we are in the Bible Belt, and so
> many folks have not even picked up their Bible
> enough to know the facts!

They aren't facts. They are superstitions that were created by men living in thatched huts to explain a world they didn't understand. Now that we better understand the world, it is time we stopped believing the same things men in thatched huts believed.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: March 26, 2008 07:21PM

Im sure what draws most people to a strongly held religious belief is the mystery/fear of death. Our ego cannot fathom a world before we were born and certainly cannot fathom the world continuing without us after we die. But I am afraid that's exactly what happens...the world goes on very well without us.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Believer ()
Date: March 26, 2008 07:29PM

Actually, that has little to do with it. Buddhists, for example dont believe in an after life.

But anyhow, thats not the point. The point is Jesus died for our sins and he came back in Resserrection. Through Him we are saved by Grace.

People who die without knowing Christ, are in for a schock on the other side.

I dont like to call it life "after death" I rather call it the life "after life". Our conciousness will enter another state of demension.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: March 26, 2008 07:29PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Our ego cannot fathom a world before we were born
> and certainly cannot fathom the world continuing
> without us after we die.


lol... what are you retarded?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Believer ()
Date: March 26, 2008 07:31PM

This "ego" doesnt fear death. I do fear dying, but I dont fear death. Even if there were no life beyond this, (which I know for certain there is) I dont think it would change my belief in Christ. However, the Bible clearly states that there is a heaven and a hell, and the righteous will enter heaven. The unsaved will go to hell. For they choose to be without God. God doesnt force His love on people who reject Him. Because he is just and merciful.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 26, 2008 08:55PM

Believer Wrote:
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> Actually, that has little to do with it.
> Buddhists, for example dont believe in an after
> life.
>
Buddhism isn't a religion but a philosophy. It isn't that Buddhists don't believe in life after death. Buddhists don't believe you can know the unknowable. If anything, they are agnostic, but it doesn't mean they "don't believe."

> But anyhow, thats not the point. The point is
> Jesus died for our sins and he came back in
> Resserrection. Through Him we are saved by Grace.
>
Here are some "facts" about Jesus. He was so sure of his fate that he asked God, "Why have you forsaken me?" Apparently Jesus wasn't too sure he was going to be Resurrected. Pretty odd thing for the Son of God to say, correct? Also, the idea of Jesus being a conduit to God is a violation of the First Commandment (You Shall have No Other Gods Before Me). This fact is the main reason Jews, Muslims and Unitarians don't see Jesus as the way to God. Also, Paul, who had revelations about Jesus, thought Jesus would come back in his lifetime. How credible is Paul?

> People who die without knowing Christ, are in for
> a schock on the other side.
>
No they aren't. They are going to be eaten by worms, just like you will be. Your "soul" is the product of your brain. Once your brain dies, your "soul" will cease to exist. If your soul was separate from your brain, you would be conscious all of the time.

> I dont like to call it life "after death" I rather
> call it the life "after life". Our conciousness
> will enter another state of demension.

Call it what you will. It doesn't exist.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Take a Stand ()
Date: March 26, 2008 09:37PM

Jesus Christ...!!!! lol

Can anyone help me complete the " HORRIBLE THINGS DONE IN THE NAME OF GOD" list.

#1. Inquisition
#2. Holy wars
#3.
#4.
#5.

# 123,543 Catholic Priest molesting little boys

Im sure there is more I just cant take the time to look them up.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 26, 2008 09:56PM

In all fairness, I don't believe religion is behind all the horrible things that happen in the world. It is one of the pathetic excuses people use (including nationalism, language, skin color, look different, etc, etc,). That said...

3. 9/11
4. Jones Town
5. Heaven's Gate
6. Waco
7. The Holocaust
8. The Crucifixion of Jesus
9. Meade's Career

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Take a Stand ()
Date: March 26, 2008 10:19PM

Im not saying "God" caused it, Im saying religion caused many many bad things

Dont get me wrong, I beleive religion has done some good things. It is just that absolute power corrupts absolutly...and religion is absolute power.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Take a Stand ()
Date: March 26, 2008 10:26PM

Man I have been watching that movie that Inkahootz posted. That is a well thought out report. I love the Thomas Paine quote

"Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put
a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun." - Thomas Paine

"Religion can not reform mankind, because relgion is slavery"

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 26, 2008 10:48PM

Take a Stand Wrote:
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> Man I have been watching that movie that Inkahootz
> posted. That is a well thought out report. I love
> the Thomas Paine quote
>

What all these Right Wing Wackos don't get, or won't take the time to learn, is that the Founding Fathers were incredibly skeptical of religion and its use by government. They lived during the Age of Enlightenment and were all incredibly doubtful that religion served any kind of useful purpose in government. I mean, Thomas Jefferson wrote the Unitarian Bible, where he took all of the mystical stuff out of it and Benjamin Franklin never did marry the woman who fathered his kids.

What would Rush Limbaugh have to say about that if he actually took the time to study the shit he talks about?

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Believer ()
Date: March 26, 2008 10:54PM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
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> Believer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Actually, that has little to do with it.
> > Buddhists, for example dont believe in an after
> > life.
> >
> Buddhism isn't a religion but a philosophy. It
> isn't that Buddhists don't believe in life after
> death. Buddhists don't believe you can know the
> unknowable. If anything, they are agnostic, but it
> doesn't mean they "don't believe."
>
> > But anyhow, thats not the point. The point is
> > Jesus died for our sins and he came back in
> > Resserrection. Through Him we are saved by
> Grace.
> >
> Here are some "facts" about Jesus. He was so sure
> of his fate that he asked God, "Why have you
> forsaken me?" Apparently Jesus wasn't too sure he
> was going to be Resurrected. Pretty odd thing for
> the Son of God to say, correct? Also, the idea of
> Jesus being a conduit to God is a violation of the
> First Commandment (You Shall have No Other Gods
> Before Me). This fact is the main reason Jews,
> Muslims and Unitarians don't see Jesus as the way
> to God. Also, Paul, who had revelations about
> Jesus, thought Jesus would come back in his
> lifetime. How credible is Paul?
>
> > People who die without knowing Christ, are in
> for
> > a schock on the other side.
> >
> No they aren't. They are going to be eaten by
> worms, just like you will be. Your "soul" is the
> product of your brain. Once your brain dies, your
> "soul" will cease to exist. If your soul was
> separate from your brain, you would be conscious
> all of the time.
>
> > I dont like to call it life "after death" I
> rather
> > call it the life "after life". Our conciousness
> > will enter another state of demension.
>
> Call it what you will. It doesn't exist.


How do you know it doesnt exist? Are you like the blind man ? The one who can't see so therefor does not know.

Do you understand this world is an illusion that is not run by the devil and his demons and non-believers?

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 27, 2008 06:18AM

Believer Wrote:
>>> How do you know it doesnt exist?


That is a classic example of an argument from ignorance.

"You can't disprove 'A', therefore 'A' is true", or conversely, "You can't prove 'A', therefore 'A' is false".

It makes no sense, and offers zero credibility the point you are trying to make.


>>>Do you understand this world is an illusion that is not run by the devil and his demons and non-believers?

Yeah, using a trick question is always a good way of convincing people.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 27, 2008 09:20AM

Believer Wrote:
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>
> Do you understand this world is an illusion that
> is not run by the devil and his demons and
> non-believers?


Speaking of the Devil, explain this to me. God is Good, correct? God is all-knowing, correct? God is all-powerful, correct?

Why, then, does a Good, all-knowing, all-powerful God allow the Devil to exist? If the Devil is pure Evil, then isn't God complicit in this Evil by allowing the Devil to perpetuate Evil in the world? Wouldn't that make God Evil as well?

On the other hand, if God cannot control the Devil, than obviously God isn't all-knowing or all-powerful, correct? Please explain that to me.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Tia2 ()
Date: March 27, 2008 12:55PM

God is in control, but He has allowed Satan to dominate humanity for two basic reasons. First, Adam and Eve, our first parents, chose Satan's domination over them. Second, God wants all of humanity to learn that "the way of man is not in himself; it is not in man who walks to direct his own steps" (Jeremiah 10:23). God allows mankind to learn—partly by firsthand experience—that the only way of life that will work is the way of life He reveals in His Word, the Bible. That lesson will not be complete until all of humanity has learned that "every word" of God's revealed instructions is vital to our physical, mental and spiritual well-being (Matthew 4:4; Deuteronomy 5:29). No alternative way of life achieves God's purpose or ultimately leads us to happiness.

But how can God get this point across to people who are born into the world with no knowledge or understanding? He could have preprogrammed us to behave only according to harmless predetermined instincts. But then we would be mere automatons, having no choices, no individuality, no character.

Such existence is not what God intends for us. He has created us to become members of His own family —His sons and daughters (2 Corinthians 6:18)—able to carry great responsibilities within His family.

At the beginning of human existence God stated His purpose for us: "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (Genesis 1:26-27).

God created mankind to be like Him, to rule—have dominion—over His creation. To learn to properly exercise such a level of responsibility, man must first learn how to discern right from wrong, good from bad and the wise from the foolish. Learning real wisdom involves learning how to make wise choices. From the beginning God pointed out the right way, but He allowed humans to be exposed to and make foolish choices.

God allowed Satan, the epitome of evil, to enter the Garden of Eden and discuss his view of life with Adam and Eve. They then had to make a choice. They chose to follow Satan rather than God. Satan's tragic delusion of mankind has been the result.

However, when Jesus Christ returns to earth, God will remove the delusion of Satan. God then will begin, on a grand scale, the process of reversing the damage Satan has done. Eventually none of the devil's influence will remain.

Mankind can then review thousands of years of tragic history and compare it with the blessings of Christ's rule. The Bible reveals that when this occurs the overwhelming majority of humanity will reject Satan's deceptions and enthusiastically embrace every word of God.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 27, 2008 01:12PM

So, Tia, would you allow your kid to choose to go into a car with a child molester to teach him/her a lesson even if you could stop it? What would you say of a parent who would do such a thing? Because, that is basically what you are saying God is doing.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 27, 2008 01:32PM

Tia2 Wrote:
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> God is in control, but He has allowed Satan to
> dominate humanity for two basic reasons.

So God is complicit in evil so he is, in fact, evil.

First,
> Adam and Eve, our first parents, chose Satan's
> domination over them.

No. They chose knowledge. The serpent isn't Satan because it was in the Old Testament and Jews don't believe in Satan.

Second, God wants all of
> humanity to learn that "the way of man is not in
> himself; it is not in man who walks to direct his
> own steps" (Jeremiah 10:23).

And yet God gave us "free will," in direct opposition to this.

God allows mankind to
> learn—partly by firsthand experience—that the only
> way of life that will work is the way of life He
> reveals in His Word, the Bible. That lesson will
> not be complete until all of humanity has learned
> that "every word" of God's revealed instructions
> is vital to our physical, mental and spiritual
> well-being (Matthew 4:4; Deuteronomy 5:29). No
> alternative way of life achieves God's purpose or
> ultimately leads us to happiness.

I'm happy, so I apparently am flying in the face of this. I don't get it.
>
> But how can God get this point across to people
> who are born into the world with no knowledge or
> understanding?

Did he have to create Satan and evil to do this? I mean, God created the choice between good and evil. Sounds to me like some sort of mind game meant to torment humanity for God's edification.

> Such existence is not what God intends for us. He
> has created us to become members of His own family
> —His sons and daughters (2 Corinthians 6:18)—able
> to carry great responsibilities within His family.
>
>
If a parent alive today treated his or her child the way God does in the Bible, that parent would be in prison.


>
> God created mankind to be like Him, to rule—have
> dominion—over His creation. To learn to properly
> exercise such a level of responsibility, man must
> first learn how to discern right from wrong, good
> from bad and the wise from the foolish. Learning
> real wisdom involves learning how to make wise
> choices. From the beginning God pointed out the
> right way, but He allowed humans to be exposed to
> and make foolish choices.
>

Okay, so Hitler was doing God's bidding, right?

> God allowed Satan, the epitome of evil, to enter
> the Garden of Eden and discuss his view of life
> with Adam and Eve. They then had to make a choice.
> They chose to follow Satan rather than God.
> Satan's tragic delusion of mankind has been the
> result.

Tia - Once again, how many child molesters have you allowed into your home to play with your kids? Obviously God is evil, too,

>
> However, when Jesus Christ returns to earth, God
> will remove the delusion of Satan. God then will
> begin, on a grand scale, the process of reversing
> the damage Satan has done. Eventually none of the
> devil's influence will remain.
>
So what you are saying is that as long a one person is evil or believes in something other than Jesus then Jesus won't return, correct? So that must mean that it is okay to kill Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc, to bring back Jesus, right? But that wouldn't be evil?

> Mankind can then review thousands of years of
> tragic history and compare it with the blessings
> of Christ's rule. The Bible reveals that when this
> occurs the overwhelming majority of humanity will
> reject Satan's deceptions and enthusiastically
> embrace every word of God.

What are the blessings of Christ's rule? The Inquisition?

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Tia2 ()
Date: March 27, 2008 04:18PM

You are very LITERAL aren't you...

In any event:

1. "So God is complicit in evil so he is, in fact, evil."
This response was to the INTRODUCTION of my post that was going to be an atte"mpt to answer your question. It was not meant to promote a retort...

2. "No. They chose knowledge. The serpent isn't Satan because it was in the Old Testament and Jews don't believe in Satan."
Jews believe in God and agree that Jesus existed but do not believe him to be the son of God. Adam and Eve chose to FOLLOW SATAN, plain and simple.

3. "And yet God gave us "free will," in direct opposition to this."
Free will is not in opposition of the statement above. Free will was God's gift to us, and he gave it to us with the hope that we would continually choose good over evil. Your argument is moot...

4. "Did he have to create Satan and evil to do this? I mean, God created the choice between good and evil. Sounds to me like some sort of mind game meant to torment humanity for God's edification."
You need to read the bible again so as to jog your memory about the creation/beginning of Satan. Secondly, how can man choose between good and evil; how can man learn the difference between good and evil; how can man understand the differences between good and evil if man is not exposed to evil? It's not a mean mind game, it's life's lesson.

5. "Okay, so Hitler was doing God's bidding, right?"
Wrong - Hitler made the WRONG decision - he chose evil, he chose to follow Satan. What Hitler did was not GOD'S BIDDING, his actions were his own. FREE WILL!

6. "Tia - Once again, how many child molesters have you allowed into your home to play with your kids? Obviously God is evil, too,"
Firstly, I don't have children. Secondly, I admit that I was born into this world ignorant and void of ability to understand the differences between good and evil. Hopefully I have learned a few things along the way, and if I had children I believe that I would be able to honestly answer your question, "none!" God is not evil - he is a teacher. Those who have chosen the wrong path, made the wrong decision, exercised the gift of free will to do the wrong thing - they are evil.

7. "So what you are saying is that as long a one person is evil or believes in something other than Jesus then Jesus won't return, correct? So that must mean that it is okay to kill Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc, to bring back Jesus, right? But that wouldn't be evil?"
WOW, what a mis-interpretation. "WHEN Jesus returns" are the first 3 words of the statement. His return is not dependent on anything. The statement further indicates that anyone who has fallen under Satan's influence will be given the opportunity and the guidance needed so that any damage done can be reversed. God is forgiving, and if an "evil" person repents their sins, all will be forgiven. Muslims, Hindus etc are all God's children and killing anyone is WRONG. The one thing that all of these religions have in common is that their followers all believe in a higher being; so unless they refuse to ask forgivness for their sins (evil actions/decisions/words etc) that they have executed during their lives, they too will be accepted and embraced by him.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2008 08:51AM by Tia2.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 27, 2008 04:33PM

Tia2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> You are very LITERAL aren't you...
>
> In any event:
>
> 1. "So God is complicit in evil so he is, in
> fact, evil."
> This response was to the INTRODUCTION of my post
> that was going to be an atte"mpt to answer your
> question. It was not meant to promote a
> retort...
>

Well, it did. You haven't clarified how God isn't evil when he is aiding and abetting Satan.

> 2. "No. They chose knowledge. The serpent isn't
> Satan because it was in the Old Testament and Jews
> don't believe in Satan."
> Jews believe in God and agree that Jesus existed
> but do not believe him to be the son of God. Adam
> and Eve chose to FOLLOW SATAN, plain and simple.
>

They listened to a serpent. The Jews follow the Old Testament and don't believe in Satan.

> 3. "And yet God gave us "free will," in direct
> opposition to this."
> Free will is not in opposition of the statement
> above. Free will was God's gift to us, and he
> gave it to us with the hope that we would
> continually choose good over evil. Your argument
> is mute...
>

It's not "free will" when one is a choice and one is damnation. People are being compelled under duress to choose one or face hell.

> 4. "Did he have to create Satan and evil to do
> this? I mean, God created the choice between good
> and evil. Sounds to me like some sort of mind game
> meant to torment humanity for God's edification."
>
> You need to read the bible again so as to jog your
> memory about the creation/beginning of Satan.
> Secondly, how can man choose between good and
> evil; how can man learn the difference between
> good and evil; how can man understand the
> differences between good and evil if man is not
> exposed to evil? It's not a mean mind game, it's
> life's lesson.
>

God created everything. Hence, God created evil.

> 5. "Okay, so Hitler was doing God's bidding,
> right?"
> Wrong - Hitler made the WRONG decision - he chose
> evil, he chose to follow Satan. What Hitler did
> was not GOD'S BIDDING, his actions were his own.
> FREE WILL!
>

He was trying to assert his authority over creation, as you said. Anytime anyone does something like that, innocent people will die. Your assertion is in direct conflict with being good.

> 6. "Tia - Once again, how many child molesters
> have you allowed into your home to play with your
> kids? Obviously God is evil, too,"
> Firstly, I don't have children. Secondly, I admit
> that I was born into this world ignorant and void
> of ability to understand the differences between
> good and evil. Hopefully I have learned a few
> things along the way, and if I had children I
> believe that I would be able to honestly answer
> your question, "none!" God is not evil - he is a
> teacher. Those who have chosen the wrong path,
> made the wrong decision, exercised the gift of
> free will to do the wrong thing - they are evil.
>
>

God created evil. Do you deny God created evil? How could someone who is good create evil? If God did not create evil, then the Bible is errant when it says he is all powerful.

> 7. "So what you are saying is that as long a one
> person is evil or believes in something other than
> Jesus then Jesus won't return, correct? So that
> must mean that it is okay to kill Jews, Muslims,
> Buddhists, Hindus, etc, to bring back Jesus,
> right? But that wouldn't be evil?"
> WOW, what a mis-interpretation. "WHEN Jesus
> returns" are the first 3 words of the statement.
> His return is not dependent on anything. The
> statement further indicates that anyone who has
> fallen under Satan's influence will be given the
> opportunity and the guidance needed so that any
> damage done can be reversed. God is forgiving,
> and if an "evil" person repents their sins, all
> will be forgiven. Muslims, Hindus etc are all
> God's children and killing anyone is WRONG. The
> one thing that all of these religions have in
> common is that their followers all believe in a
> higher being; so unless they refuse to ask
> forgivness for their sins (evil
> actions/decisions/words etc) that they have
> executed during their lives, they too will be
> accepted and embraced by him.


Even if that Sin is believing in God but not believing in Jesus?

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Take a Stand ()
Date: March 27, 2008 05:39PM

It amazes me to the extent people will try to divide this ever complicated world in to either Good or Evil. It seems almost childish.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: March 27, 2008 11:43PM

Yes God is all powerful. And yes, God created the universe. And yes, if you believe in God and worship him, you will be granted eternal life.

So if God is all powerful, why does he give a rats ass if you worship him ?

So I am the size of 50,000 ants (I dont know the number, but a whole heck of lot of them). Do I care if these ants worship me? No.

Man has a very small role in the universe. We need to realize that.

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Believer ()
Date: March 28, 2008 09:03AM

Radiophile Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yes God is all powerful. And yes, God created the
> universe. And yes, if you believe in God and
> worship him, you will be granted eternal life.
>
> So if God is all powerful, why does he give a rats
> ass if you worship him ?
>
> So I am the size of 50,000 ants (I dont know the
> number, but a whole heck of lot of them). Do I
> care if these ants worship me? No.
>
> Man has a very small role in the universe. We need
> to realize that.


I care if the ants worship me. Does that mean I have a God complex?

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Tia2 ()
Date: March 28, 2008 09:28AM

WashingToneLocian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Tia2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You are very LITERAL aren't you...
> >
> > In any event:
> >
> > 1. "So God is complicit in evil so he is, in
> > fact, evil."

> > This response was to the INTRODUCTION of my
> post that was going to be an atte"mpt to answer your
> > question. It was not meant to promote a retort...
> >
>
> Well, it did. You haven't clarified how God isn't
> evil when he is aiding and abetting Satan.

God is NOT aiding Satan. Satan is a fallen angel; fallen because he chose to defy/deny God.

God created man to include a spirit and body and works to save those who have fallen from his grace.

Satan refuses to admit the existence of “spirit” and therefore believes that men are no more than spiritless animals. Since animals are BELOW the angelic level, he believes that man can be dominated and constantly entices man with shallow, materialistic, (for the life of me I can’t think of the right word to describe delusions of empowerment but want that included here) promises with the hope that man will chose the tangible over the intangible.
Once again, this is God’s way to allow man to learn the differences between good and evil. He did not create evil, he allows it to exist so that man can exercise his gift of free will.



> > 3. "And yet God gave us "free will," in direct
> > opposition to this."

> > Free will is not in opposition of the statement
> > above. Free will was God's gift to us, and he
> > gave it to us with the hope that we would
> > continually choose good over evil. Your
> argument is moot...
> >
>
> It's not "free will" when one is a choice and one
> is damnation. People are being compelled under
> duress to choose one or face hell.

People learn from experience. If you learn that you made the wrong choice, you are not damned - you have omitted FORGIVENESS. People are not COMPELLED to ask to be forgiven, it's their choice - FREE WILL


> > 4. "Did he have to create Satan and evil to do
> > this? I mean, God created the choice between
> good
> > and evil. Sounds to me like some sort of mind
> game
> > meant to torment humanity for God's
> edification."
> >
> > You need to read the bible again so as to jog
> your memory about the creation/beginning of Satan.
> > Secondly, how can man choose between good and
> > evil; how can man learn the difference between
> > good and evil; how can man understand the
> > differences between good and evil if man is not
> > exposed to evil? It's not a mean mind game,
> it's life's lesson.
> >
>
> God created everything. Hence, God created evil.

I don't feel like I need to debate this point with you any longer. If you don't get it, you simply don't get it. He did not CREATE evil, he allows it to exist.
>
> > 5. "Okay, so Hitler was doing God's bidding,
> > right?"

> > Wrong - Hitler made the WRONG decision - he
> chose evil, he chose to follow Satan. What Hitler
> did was not GOD'S BIDDING, his actions were his own.
>
> > FREE WILL!
> >
>
> He was trying to assert his authority over
> creation, as you said. Anytime anyone does
> something like that, innocent people will die.
> Your assertion is in direct conflict with being
> good.

???
>

>
> > 7. "So what you are saying is that as long a
> one
> > person is evil or believes in something other
> than
> > Jesus then Jesus won't return, correct? So that
> > must mean that it is okay to kill Jews,
> Muslims,
> > Buddhists, Hindus, etc, to bring back Jesus,
> > right? But that wouldn't be evil?"

> > WOW, what a mis-interpretation. "WHEN Jesus
> > returns" are the first 3 words of the statement.
> > His return is not dependent on anything. The
> > statement further indicates that anyone who has
> > fallen under Satan's influence will be given the
> > opportunity and the guidance needed so that any
> > damage done can be reversed. God is forgiving,
> > and if an "evil" person repents their sins, all
> > will be forgiven. Muslims, Hindus etc are all
> > God's children and killing anyone is WRONG.
> The one thing that all of these religions have in
> > common is that their followers all believe in a
> > higher being; so unless they refuse to ask
> > forgivness for their sins (evil
> > actions/decisions/words etc) that they have
> > executed during their lives, they too will be
> > accepted and embraced by him.
>
>
> Even if that Sin is believing in God but not
> believing in Jesus?

YES!

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 28, 2008 10:22AM

"He did not create evil, he allows it to exist so that man can exercise his gift of free will."

So God is not all-powerful? He did not create evil.

"He did not CREATE evil, he allows it to exist."

He is the Creator of everything, so one has to believe he created evil as well. There was nothing before God created it, hence no evil.

"YES!"

So Jews, Muslims, etc, must become Christians in order to be welcomed into Heaven. And if they don't, they are going to Hell. Correct? Jews, Muslims, etc, are under the influence of Satan then, correct? All the Jews killed in the Holocaust are burning in Hell, right? All the people drowned in the Christmas Tsunami are burning in Hell, correct?

Gandhi didn't believe in Jesus. Is he in Hell?

Jim Jones believed in Jesus and believed he was doing God's work. Is he in Heaven?

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 28, 2008 10:36AM

Tia-

You mentioned forgiveness.

"23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

Does this mean that the Romans who killed Jesus are in Heaven?

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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: WashingToneLocian ()
Date: March 28, 2008 12:47PM

If you consider the world a deception created by Satan, and that anything that undermines the Bible or the belief in God is the work of Satan, then things such as science have to be the work of the Devil, right? That's why you get stuff like this...



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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: March 28, 2008 07:19PM

Two things we can all agree on are these people follow the same Bible as the rest of the Christians and Fred Phelps speaks for that same God.





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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: March 29, 2008 07:51AM


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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: March 29, 2008 10:28AM

What does Jesus Christ look like?
Meade What?
Jules: What country you from?
meade: What?
Jules: What ain't no country I ever heard of! They speak English in What?
meade: What?
Jules: ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER! DO-YOU-SPEAK-IT?
meade: Yes!
Jules: Then you know what I'm saying!
meade: Yes!
Jules: Describe what Jesus Christ looks like!
meade: What, I-?
Jules: [pointing his gun] Say what again. SAY WHAT AGAIN. I dare you, I double dare you, motherfucker. Say what one more goddamn time.
meade: He's b-b-black...
Jules: Go on.
meade: He's bald...
Jules: Does he look like a bitch?
meade: What?
[Jules shoots meade in shoulder]
Jules: DOES HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?
meade: No!
Jules: Then why you try to fuck him like a bitch, meade?
meade: I didn't.
Jules: Yes you did. Yes you did, meade. You tried to fuck him. And Jeus Christ don't like to be fucked by anybody, except Mrs. Christ.



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Re: Jesus Christ is Lord !
Posted by: Say amen. ()
Date: January 12, 2016 12:15AM

Amen.

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