http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/25/santorum-obama-is-a-snob-who-wants-everybody-to-go-to-college/

GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum once again attacked President Barack
Obama on wanting students to go to college Saturday morning, calling the
president a “snob” on the campaign trail in Troy, Michigan.

Santorum spoke the tea party group Americans For Prosperity’s Michigan branch
and received a round of applauds for his latest eye-brow raising statements.

“President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college, what a snob,” he
said. “There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put
their skills to the test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor.
And trying to indoctrinate them.”

Santorum doubled down on his comments from Thursday, saying “the indoctrination
going on at the university level is a harm to our country” thanks to Obama.

Ironically, Santorum would be calling himself “a snob” as well based on his
past history. In 2006, while he was a senator, Santorum pushed to make college
more affordable for all Pennsylvanians.

He's right, who would want to be indoctrinated by college professors when they could be indoctrinated by JEEZussss.

Numbers Wrote:
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> He's right, who would want to be indoctrinated by
> college professors when they could be
> indoctrinated by JEEZussss.


Conservatives truly wage an uphill battle against the progress of intellectual pursuits. Education, a driving quality found in every successful civilization, tends to have a liberalizing effect on people. Smart people simply know more and learn how to adapt better than those who don't. We wouldn't be here if extending our knowledge failed to help us.

Santorum's devout beliefs add another dimension to his ignorance. Religion is a dormant thought-process. There's nothing to be learned. Contradictory fables written by uneducated people 2,000 years ago won't solve any of our problems.

But Santorum has a better answer. Just rely on Rick and the GOP. Have faith. Don't go to college, work hard for too little money, vote yourselves and your children into the same struggling-class lifestyle, and all will be well with you in heaven.

At some point you'll almost need a flag to worship, in order to understand it all.

America is in the shape it's in partially because too many Americans don't get some form of higher education after high school. Santorum would be a perfect President in 12. 1812.

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Hay Zeus is right. Obama is an out of touch snob and elitist with his desire that every American have a chance to go to college. When will people wake up and end his socialist tyranny?

The last President without a college degree was Harry Truman. Guess that means Reagan was a snob, too.

I wonder how Santorum likes dealing with those snobs who have repeatedly saved his daughter's life. Fucking educated doctors think they're better than us!

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I have no problem if people don't want to send their kids to college. But for a presidential candidate to stand up there and stoke fear that education will somehow turn your children into political enemies- that's just fear-mongering at it's absolute worst.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I have no problem if people don't want to send
> their kids to college. But for a presidential
> candidate to stand up there and stoke fear that
> education will somehow turn your children into
> political enemies- that's just fear-mongering at
> it's absolute worst.


I know lots of Republicans who have gone to universities other than Liberty. Going to UVA or Maryland isn't going to indoctrinate you into the Communist Party.

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lol @ republicans 2012 Wrote:
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> Santorum spoke the tea party group Americans For
> Prosperity’s Michigan branch

If they're looking for prosperity, they're not going to find any in Michigan.

I'M A FIVE-STAR MAN!!

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> I know lots of Republicans who have gone to
> universities other than Liberty. Going to UVA or
> Maryland isn't going to indoctrinate you into the
> Communist Party.

I graduated college thinking we should bomb any Middle Eastern country who messed with us, I thought gay marriage was ridiculous, and believed that we should close the borders and kick out people who didn't speak English.

I don't think Santorum realizes that living in the real world indoctrinates people into a more liberal worldview.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> America is in the shape it's in partially because
> too many Americans don't get some form of higher
> education after high school. Santorum would be a
> perfect President in 12. 1812.

WTL You agreed with Santorum 10 months ago...

Re: Is a College Education Overrated? Will There Be an "Education Bubble?"
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: April 12, 2011 02:21PM

We have a problem in this country of promoting college education for all. Some kids simply don't have the aptitude to be successful in college. We shouldn't be ashamed to promote skilled trades. Skilled trades are what built this country, but now Americans seem to think hard work is beneath them and then bitch when companies hire illegal immigrants to do the work.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/552111/552118.html#msg-552118

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > America is in the shape it's in partially
> because
> > too many Americans don't get some form of
> higher
> > education after high school. Santorum would be
> a
> > perfect President in 12. 1812.
>
> WTL You agreed with Santorum 10 months ago...
>
> Re: Is a College Education Overrated? Will There
> Be an "Education Bubble?"
> Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
> Date: April 12, 2011 02:21PM
>
> We have a problem in this country of promoting
> college education for all. Some kids simply don't
> have the aptitude to be successful in college. We
> shouldn't be ashamed to promote skilled trades.
> Skilled trades are what built this country, but
> now Americans seem to think hard work is beneath
> them and then bitch when companies hire illegal
> immigrants to do the work.
>
> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/55
> 2111/552118.html#msg-552118


The GOP really needs to back away from these bizarre side issues they keep fixating on. Birth control is evil? Only snobs want to go to college? WTF? Are they trying to hand the election to Obama on a silver platter? It's like they're coming up with an outrage of the week hoping that something will stick when they should focus on a few select themes (which they're usually pretty good at). You're a good trooper trying to defend all of this, but it's not going to resonate with the average voter.

And you don't think companies are hiring illegals because it's a hell of a lot cheaper to do so, the same reason companies are sending manufacturing jobs overseas? That's kind of the reason why most people want to go to college in the first place, to hopefully avoid the downward spiral of wages in jobs that once paid pretty well. To turn this into a morality play on the laziness of Americans smacks of Jimmy Carter whining about "malaise," which didn't turn out to well for him.

"Some form of higher education after high school" is not the same thing as college. It can be community college, trade schools, vocational education, etc. So, no, my position hasn't changed in 10 months.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> "Some form of higher education after high school"
> is not the same thing as college. It can be
> community college, trade schools, vocational
> education, etc. So, no, my position hasn't changed
> in 10 months.

I'm not sure what you're "quoting" because you never used those exact words to articulate your point.

You and Santorum are saying the same thing in principal. Which is, college isn't for everyone and the skilled trades are a great alternative to going to college.

However, its dishonest of you to not afford Santorum the same amount of latitude that you expect from others when espousing an opinion or making a point. As if everyone is supposed to assume that you were making a point in earnest but Santorum's isn't?

One day we're gonna find out that the GOP candidates were paid off to throw the election,,,it's almost impossible to have this many mistakes and stupid statements made by EVERY candidate,,,


It's gonna make a great movie,,,

College is a family value Rick. I read last week that 92% of women under 30 who graduated college wait till they are married to have a baby. Some college = 62% and no college was like 42% or something like that.

college is a liberal indoctrination to be sure.

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

A college education is priviledge not an entitled right. Its a choice someone should make because they want an intellectual challenge and have a direction in life, not because its convential wisdon and don't know what else to do with themselvs.

Georgia has an excellent model for this with its HOPE Scholarship. Which basically any student who graduates with a 3.7 GPA and 1200 SAT is elidigble for free tuition at any in State Univ.

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > "Some form of higher education after high
> school"
> > is not the same thing as college. It can be
> > community college, trade schools, vocational
> > education, etc. So, no, my position hasn't
> changed
> > in 10 months.
>
> I'm not sure what you're "quoting" because you
> never used those exact words to articulate your
> point.
>
> You and Santorum are saying the same thing in
> principal. Which is, college isn't for everyone
> and the skilled trades are a great alternative to
> going to college.
>
> However, its dishonest of you to not afford
> Santorum the same amount of latitude that you
> expect from others when espousing an opinion or
> making a point. As if everyone is supposed to
> assume that you were making a point in earnest but
> Santorum's isn't?


I'm quoting myself earlier in this thread, dipshit.

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Your the dipshit who think he's going to change people's opinion by calling them names. Is that how you talk to people IRL?

Nit picking is very unproductive but that's game you like to play. Again, clearly 10 months ago you thought not every one should go to college. Now you don't because Santorum said something to same affect and you're in denial.

Back peddle all you want but Higher education is synonymous with college.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2012 06:13PM by Hay Zeus.

I respect the actual fa t that Santorum has, during THIS election process, pretty consistently maintained the same line.

He's beyond flaky, true, and needs to be removed from the political scene (ANY political scene) by the voters permanently, but he is consistently on the same line.

[I can understand why he was blown out of the water in his last election - he appeals to the vocal flaky minority and probably always will - but they're the minority...thankfully]

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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>
> Georgia has an excellent model for this with its
> HOPE Scholarship. Which basically any student who
> graduates with a 3.7 GPA and 1200 SAT is elidigble
> for free tuition at any in State Univ.

Dipshit, that is the Georgia government taking over higher education. As in any government takeover, it will lead to rationing and "education panels" that will decide where and if you go to college and if you do, what you will study. Pure evil European style socialism on Georgia.

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

What I said is that college isn't for everyone. What Santorum is saying is that people who go to college become Marxist snobs. Big difference.

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Actually, higher education is NOT synonymous with college. Look up the definition. All colleges are higher education, but not all higher education is college.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> What I said is that college isn't for everyone.
> What Santorum is saying is that people who go to
> college become Marxist snobs. Big difference.


No you said the exact same thing he just added in the part about liberal college professors which is very true. College kids are the most liberal group of people in the country.

Only you could say the exact same thing as someone else and disagree with what they say

theres not Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> -----
> > What I said is that college isn't for everyone.
> > What Santorum is saying is that people who go
> to
> > college become Marxist snobs. Big difference.
>
>
> No you said the exact same thing he just added in
> the part about liberal college professors which is
> very true. College kids are the most liberal
> group of people in the country.
>
> Only you could say the exact same thing as someone
> else and disagree with what they say

My posts were in response to Santorum's statements. It's implicit that my disagreement was based in that.

What I said and have said is that Americans need some form of higher education. It could be college, it could be vocational or technical training. What Santorum did was condemn college education as a whole. He didn't say anything about it being right for some but not all, as I have said.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Actually, higher education is NOT synonymous with
> college. Look up the definition. All colleges are
> higher education, but not all higher education is
> college.


What are you talking about? Read that again.

If all colleges are higher education but not all higher education is college then college is indeed synonymous with higher education.

However, arguably, when someone says "higher education" they most often are referring to college.

Like I'm going to listen to a guy who brings home a dead fetus to cuddle with.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > Actually, higher education is NOT synonymous
> with
> > college. Look up the definition. All colleges
> are
> > higher education, but not all higher education
> is
> > college.
>
>
> What are you talking about? Read that again.
>
> If all colleges are higher education but not all
> higher education is college then college is indeed
> synonymous with higher education.
>
> However, arguably, when someone says "higher
> education" they most often are referring to
> college.


Jaguars are cars but not all cars are Jaguars. Cars are not synonymous with Jaguars.

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WashingTone-Locian
>
> Jaguars are cars but not all cars are Jaguars.
> Cars are not synonymous with Jaguars.


not really, jaguar is a specific car manufacturer and we're speaking in general terms.

Car is a type of automobile but not all automobiles are cars, car is synonymous with automobile.

Whatever. Not all higher education is college.

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Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> >All colleges are higher education, but not all higher education
> > is college.
>
>
> What are you talking about? Read that again.
>
> If all colleges are higher education but not all
> higher education is college then college is indeed
> synonymous with higher education.

A ==> B

does not say

B ==> A

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:

> My posts were in response to Santorum's
> statements. It's implicit that my disagreement was
> based in that.
>
> What I said and have said is that Americans need
> some form of higher education. It could be
> college, it could be vocational or technical
> training. What Santorum did was condemn college
> education as a whole. He didn't say anything about
> it being right for some but not all, as I have
> said.

When he said "“There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor." Hes pointing out that there are a lot of people that have jobs and work hard without a degree.

You guys really are saying the same thing that college is necessarily a good thing for everyone, just wording it different. He didnt say no one should go, but he was against the idea that everyone should go. Could he have worded it better to explain it more, probably, but you are making the same point.

The only difference would be you view trade schools and such as part of higher education where a lot of people just see that to mean traditional colleges.

All rectangles are squares,,

Not all squares are rectangles,,

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Actually, higher education is NOT synonymous with
> college. Look up the definition. All colleges are
> higher education, but not all higher education is
> college.


talk much?

Look up the definition of higher education. It means education after high school. It's not my interpretation. It's what the term means.

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As a practical matter if says asks "do you have higher education" they are most likely asking if you have a college degree.

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> As a practical matter if says asks "do you have
> higher education" they are most likely asking if
> you have a college degree.


As a practical matter, you made a mistake.

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If EVERYONE went to college that would defeat the purpose. A bachelor's degree (that already has questionable ROI) would become practically worthless and on-par with a high school diploma.

In order to get ahead and separate yourself from the pack you would need post-grad work or a master's degree. So instead of the divide between high school grads and college grads, it would be between college grads and graduate school.

Nothing would change except the schools would grow exponentially and there would be more cushy "professor" jobs.

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Hay Zeus Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> >
> > Georgia has an excellent model for this with
> its
> > HOPE Scholarship. Which basically any student
> who
> > graduates with a 3.7 GPA and 1200 SAT is
> elidigble
> > for free tuition at any in State Univ.
>
> Dipshit, that is the Georgia government taking
> over higher education. As in any government
> takeover, it will lead to rationing and "education
> panels" that will decide where and if you go to
> college and if you do, what you will study. Pure
> evil European style socialism on Georgia.


It's Buggles time!

Yes!

Buggles Wrote:
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> Radiophile Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hay Zeus Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Georgia has an excellent model for this with
> > its
> > > HOPE Scholarship. Which basically any student
> > who
> > > graduates with a 3.7 GPA and 1200 SAT is
> > elidigble
> > > for free tuition at any in State Univ.
> >
> > Dipshit, that is the Georgia government taking
> > over higher education. As in any government
> > takeover, it will lead to rationing and
> "education
> > panels" that will decide where and if you go to
> > college and if you do, what you will study.
> Pure
> > evil European style socialism on Georgia.
>
>
> It's Buggles time!
>
>

Waste of time and money Wrote:
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> If EVERYONE went to college that would defeat the
> purpose. A bachelor's degree (that already has
> questionable ROI) would become practically
> worthless and on-par with a high school diploma.
>
>
> In order to get ahead and separate yourself from
> the pack you would need post-grad work or a
> master's degree. So instead of the divide between
> high school grads and college grads, it would be
> between college grads and graduate school.
>
> Nothing would change except the schools would grow
> exponentially and there would be more cushy
> "professor" jobs.

The purpose of college is to advance your education in a specific job related area. I don't know where you came up with the idea it's to divide people.

For example I want to be a Lawyer, I'd go to a good law college so I am educated in law.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> All rectangles are squares,,
>
> Not all squares are rectangles,,

That's exactly wrong.

Happy now, Santorum?

I'M A FIVE-STAR MAN!!

Internet Bully Wrote:
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> Waste of time and money Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If EVERYONE went to college that would defeat
> the
> > purpose. A bachelor's degree (that already has
> > questionable ROI) would become practically
> > worthless and on-par with a high school diploma.
>
> >
> >
> > In order to get ahead and separate yourself
> from
> > the pack you would need post-grad work or a
> > master's degree. So instead of the divide
> between
> > high school grads and college grads, it would
> be
> > between college grads and graduate school.
> >
> > Nothing would change except the schools would
> grow
> > exponentially and there would be more cushy
> > "professor" jobs.
>
> The purpose of college is to advance your
> education in a specific job related area. I don't
> know where you came up with the idea it's to
> divide people.
>
> For example I want to be a Lawyer, I'd go to a
> good law college so I am educated in law.

Thats what college was prior to the baby boom. Now its something of a right of passage for directionless youth.

Internet Bully Wrote:
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> Waste of time and money Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If EVERYONE went to college that would defeat
> the
> > purpose. A bachelor's degree (that already has
> > questionable ROI) would become practically
> > worthless and on-par with a high school diploma.
>
> >
> >
> > In order to get ahead and separate yourself
> from
> > the pack you would need post-grad work or a
> > master's degree. So instead of the divide
> between
> > high school grads and college grads, it would
> be
> > between college grads and graduate school.
> >
> > Nothing would change except the schools would
> grow
> > exponentially and there would be more cushy
> > "professor" jobs.
>
> The purpose of college is to advance your
> education in a specific job related area. I don't
> know where you came up with the idea it's to
> divide people.
>
> For example I want to be a Lawyer, I'd go to a
> good law college so I am educated in law.


Except that you could major in knitting in college and still get into law school.

Your complete lack of intelligence in this matter tells us that you will never be a lawyer.

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Internet Bully Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Waste of time and money Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If EVERYONE went to college that would defeat
> > the
> > > purpose. A bachelor's degree (that already
> has
> > > questionable ROI) would become practically
> > > worthless and on-par with a high school
> diploma.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In order to get ahead and separate yourself
> > from
> > > the pack you would need post-grad work or a
> > > master's degree. So instead of the divide
> > between
> > > high school grads and college grads, it would
> > be
> > > between college grads and graduate school.
> > >
> > > Nothing would change except the schools would
> > grow
> > > exponentially and there would be more cushy
> > > "professor" jobs.
> >
> > The purpose of college is to advance your
> > education in a specific job related area. I
> don't
> > know where you came up with the idea it's to
> > divide people.
> >
> > For example I want to be a Lawyer, I'd go to a
> > good law college so I am educated in law.
>
> Thats what college was prior to the baby boom. Now
> its something of a right of passage for
> directionless youth.

Actually I'd say the "directionless youth" are those that do not attend college or drop out of high school.

However, let us not forget college fraternity parties where drunken college student get blasted out their minds and hot babes put on lesbians shows with their friends.

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> You and Santorum are saying the same thing in
> principal. Which is, college isn't for everyone
> and the skilled trades are a great alternative to
> going to college.
>
> However, its dishonest of you to not afford
> Santorum the same amount of latitude that you
> expect from others when espousing an opinion or
> making a point. As if everyone is supposed to
> assume that you were making a point in earnest but
> Santorum's isn't?

Why is it Rick spends two minutes making a point, and spend two hours trying to explain and defend his point?

It is logic Rick. Logic most people learn in college; you can't make a generalization, and then use a few specifics to justify that generalization. You used this fallacy with healthcare reform, birth control, college education, neonatal care, pregnancy care, church and state, and abortion.

Smart people see through your scam. Isn't it pathetic when a presidential candidate uses logical fallacies to make his point?

Funny how Ricky is getting all this attention given the fact that he will be a footnote in this contest come next Wednesday.

Hey Rick, You are giving me a headache Wrote:
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>
> Smart people see through your scam. Isn't it
> pathetic when a presidential candidate uses
> logical fallacies to make his point?


Isn't pitting the uneducated against the educated a type of class warfare?

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Hey Rick, You are giving me a headache Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Smart people see through your scam. Isn't it
> > pathetic when a presidential candidate uses
> > logical fallacies to make his point?
>
>
> Isn't pitting the uneducated against the educated
> a type of class warfare?


I am educated and I have seen plenty of other educated folks demonstrate their stupidity on a continual basis. The ability to purchase and complete the requirements for a college degree does not guarantee intelligence.

One guy that claimes to have a college degree actually contended that the reason the economy went into a recession was because Bush didn't fully fund the EPA!

Internet Bully Wrote:

> The purpose of college is to advance your
> education in a specific job related area. I don't
> know where you came up with the idea it's to
> divide people.
>
> For example I want to be a Lawyer, I'd go to a
> good law college so I am educated in law.


Education by nature is a divider. Its not a divider in the sense of pinning people against each other, but its purpose is to separate those that have it from the rest of the pack. If everyone has it is does in fact become meaningless.

Back in the day a high school degree was like what a college degree is now. Now that almost everyone graduates high school you have to go to college to separate yourself, as the college degree rate rises you have to then get a masters/doctorate to have the same separation that a college degree had a few years ago. The most other people go to school the longer you have to stay in school and the more you have to pay in order to stand out from the pack,

Sounds like Hey Zeus has a hard on for some Santorum. Whatever drivel Ricky says, Zeus will be rushing to FFU to defend it.