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Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 24, 2012 01:22PM

Michelle Obama - "..And make no mistake about it, these struggles that I'm talking about, these are not new. For decades now -- decades -- middle-class folks have been squeezed from all sides. See, the cost of things like gas, groceries, tuition -- prices continuing to rise, but people’s paychecks just haven’t kept up. And when this economic crisis hit, for far too many families the bottom just completely fell out."

So Obama should get a pass on current and the increased suffering during his adminstration because Americans have been suffering the decades before Obama came into office. That sounds more of the same than Hope and Change.

But what do you expect after 16 Vacations to places like Spain, Aspen, Vail, Hawaii, Martha's Vinyard and spending money on clothes like armageddon is coming tomorrow.

From CNSNews:
"...since President Obama took office, the price of gas has jumped 83 percent; ground beef, 24 percent; and bacon, 22 percent. And the federal debt has increased by $4.47 trillion since President Barack Obama released his first federal budget on Feb. 26, 2009.

And on Feb. 17, the third anniversary of President Barack Obama’s $787-billion stimulus spending program, the nation's unemployment rate set a new record, staying above 8 percent for the longest period since the end of World War II – 36 months."


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michelle-obama-middle-class-struggles-are-nothing-new-folks-squeezed-decades

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: DHM ()
Date: February 24, 2012 01:26PM

Just saw where she's hoting a fund raiser at the Westin
Hotel in Cincinnati. Lunch at McCormick & Schmick. This is
in John Boehner's District. Theme is wealth redistribution.
Cincinnati-Dayton area has 12-1/2% unemployment rate.
This is how she impresses the poor and unemployed.
Bilderbergers like Westin Hotels too.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: February 24, 2012 01:39PM

DHM Wrote:
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> Just saw where she's hoting a fund raiser at the
> Westin
> Hotel in Cincinnati. Lunch at McCormick & Schmick.
> This is
> in John Boehner's District. Theme is wealth
> redistribution.
> Cincinnati-Dayton area has 12-1/2% unemployment
> rate.
> This is how she impresses the poor and unemployed.
>
> Bilderbergers like Westin Hotels too.

These idiotic opinions make me laugh.

It's a FUNDRAISER. What's he supposed to do, go down to Burger King and ask a bunch of wage workers and unemployed people to donate some spare change?

Of course you're going to solicit large donations from people who can afford it. It's not out-of-touch with anything, it's common sense.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: get real ()
Date: February 24, 2012 02:12PM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Michelle Obama - "..And make no mistake about it,
> these struggles that I'm talking about, these are
> not new. For decades now -- decades --
> middle-class folks have been squeezed from all
> sides. See, the cost of things like gas,
> groceries, tuition -- prices continuing to rise,
> but people’s paychecks just haven’t kept up.
> And when this economic crisis hit, for far too
> many families the bottom just completely fell
> out."
>
> So Obama should get a pass on current and the
> increased suffering during his adminstration
> because Americans have been suffering the decades
> before Obama came into office. That sounds more of
> the same than Hope and Change.
>
> But what do you expect after 16 Vacations to
> places like Spain, Aspen, Vail, Hawaii, Martha's
> Vinyard and spending money on clothes like
> armageddon is coming tomorrow.
>
> From CNSNews:
> "...since President Obama took office, the price
> of gas has jumped 83 percent; ground beef, 24
> percent; and bacon, 22 percent. And the federal
> debt has increased by $4.47 trillion since
> President Barack Obama released his first federal
> budget on Feb. 26, 2009.
>
> And on Feb. 17, the third anniversary of President
> Barack Obama’s $787-billion stimulus spending
> program, the nation's unemployment rate set a new
> record, staying above 8 percent for the longest
> period since the end of World War II – 36
> months."
>
>
> http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michelle-obama-mid
> dle-class-struggles-are-nothing-new-folks-squeezed
> -decades

When Obama took office gas was at a low. Did you forget about $4.68 gallon price tag under Bush? I sure remember gas well over $4.00 a gallon for a good portion of of the Bush administration's second term.

Do you recall George saying if he had a magic wand, he would fix it?

CNS is not a reputable "news" service.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: I'm Glad ()
Date: February 24, 2012 02:34PM

I'm glad you now take the time to look at all the vacations the Obama's take, without mentioning what past Presidents have done. Good thing only Obama can change everything that's wrong with the country, nobody else has a hand in it...even better, why not name only the negatives of Obama's presidency, not the positives. But it's ok, we want him to fail. And the moronic statement on gas prices and ground beef, etc., maybe if you were smart you could understand that what goes on in the REST OF THE WORLD has a huge hand in prices of things. But let's blame OUR president, I love when he does badly.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: this is real ()
Date: February 24, 2012 02:36PM

get real Wrote:
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> When Obama took office gas was at a low. Did you
> forget about $4.68 gallon price tag under Bush? I
> sure remember gas well over $4.00 a gallon for a
> good portion of of the Bush administration's
> second term.

Wow, either you are really stupid, you have no long term memory, or you are a fucking liar. I am betting a bit of all three.

Gas averaged pennies over $4/gal for regular gas for exactly six weeks under Bush. If you think six weeks of a four year term constitutes a "good portion," you are in desperate need of a dictionary.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 24, 2012 02:44PM

get real Wrote:
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>
> When Obama took office gas was at a low. Did you
> forget about $4.68 gallon price tag under Bush? I
> sure remember gas well over $4.00 a gallon for a
> good portion of of the Bush administration's
> second term.
>
> Do you recall George saying if he had a magic
> wand, he would fix it?
>
> CNS is not a reputable "news" service.

That was $4.68 in the peak summer season. Here we are in February at $5 gallon, most likely it going to keep going up. Also the narrative from traditional news and Hillary Clinton was that Bush was jackup gas prices to line pockets of his oil buddies. All the explinations of increase in world demand/emerging and market complexity that Obama used yesterday were dimissed by Democrats in 2008.

Because Bush had high gas prices its ok for them to be high under Obama? Obama was hailed to be smarter and more competent then Bush, yet in 3 years we're basically at status quo.

CNS reported what came out of Michelle Obama's mouth, which was the basis of my main point, followed by some anedotal info. She and the Predisdent are insulated from regualr daily life and don't care about about the hardship that everyday working Americans are fighting.

What is a reputuable news source? MSNBC, NYT, Huffington Post, Media Matters?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 24, 2012 02:50PM

I'm Glad Wrote:
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> I'm glad you now take the time to look at all the
> vacations the Obama's take, without mentioning
> what past Presidents have done. Good thing only
> Obama can change everything that's wrong with the
> country, nobody else has a hand in it...even
> better, why not name only the negatives of Obama's
> presidency, not the positives. But it's ok, we
> want him to fail. And the moronic statement on gas
> prices and ground beef, etc., maybe if you were
> smart you could understand that what goes on in
> the REST OF THE WORLD has a huge hand in prices of
> things. But let's blame OUR president, I love when
> he does badly.

Maybe if the Obamas would stop going on vacation and pay attention to what goin on in the world I wouldn't have to worry about what he's doing. He was elected to serve the people, not rule over us.

From what I can remember most recent Presidents spent "vacation" time at their presonal residences which were located in remote areas as Reagan and Bush did or Camp David like Clinton and Carter.

Here is a positive, Obama gave the order to go after Bin Laden.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2012 02:51PM by Hay Zeus.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 24, 2012 03:51PM

TheMeeper Wrote:

> It's a FUNDRAISER. What's he supposed to do, go
> down to Burger King and ask a bunch of wage
> workers and unemployed people to donate some spare
> change?
>
> Of course you're going to solicit large donations
> from people who can afford it. It's not
> out-of-touch with anything, it's common sense.


Thats true, but when you administrations whole strategy is to demonize people with money its very hypocritical to be engaging in that kind of 1 percenter behavior. If they actually believed a single thing they were saying about this they would be doing very different things and wouldnt want money from the evil rich. But they dont believe a word of it and are just using it to manipulate people so they get reelected.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:00PM

hypocracy Wrote:
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>
> Thats true, but when you administrations whole
> strategy is to demonize people with money

Well that isn't their strategy and has never been their strategy. That's just dumb FOX News idiocy.



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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocrisy ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:08PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> hypocracy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
> >
> > Thats true, but when you administrations whole
> > strategy is to demonize people with money
>
> Well that isn't their strategy and has never been
> their strategy. That's just dumb FOX News idiocy.


The only thing thats dumb is you trying to deny it. Id be a millionaire if I had a dollar for every time hes said fair share in the last 8 months. The whole fair share bs is demonizing the rich. The top 10 percent pay over 70 percent of the total amount of federal income tax. The top 25 percent pay 87.3 percent of it. The bottom 50 percent contribute a whopping 2.3 percent to income tax, but its the rich who isnt doing their fair share, yea ok.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Glad ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:16PM

So if the Obama's don't care, what makes you think any of the rich politicians care? In this country, honestly, nobody seems to care about anyone. I mean, who donates money that is not needed to charity? How many people who have extra space and money care to adopt a kid? We have politicians who have no idea what is going on in other parts of the world, let alone our own country. Do you honestly believe most republicans, even democrats would go into a rough neighborhood to learn what people think? Clearly, Republicans do not care about minorities, i.e. Arizona illeg. immigration law (profile latinos, even though some of their families have lived in Arizona before 1800's..) Stop bitching, do something yourself,stop being self-righteous.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Formerly Stones ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:23PM

And I'm certain that Romney would definitely be "in touch" with the average American.

Since Obama took over, my home value has gone up 25%, my salary 50% and my 401 30%.

And if you think it's all about me:
Home values in this area have gone up 20%, job loss has reversed it's trend and the stock market topped 13,000. Oh and he stopped a quagmire war, got Osama Bin Laden and prevented a hard core depression.

If you are going to use stats for your argument, make sure you actually know the real stats.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocrisy ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:27PM

Glad Wrote:
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> So if the Obama's don't care, what makes you think
> any of the rich politicians care? In this country,
> honestly, nobody seems to care about anyone. I
> mean, who donates money that is not needed to
> charity? How many people who have extra space and
> money care to adopt a kid? We have politicians who
> have no idea what is going on in other parts of
> the world, let alone our own country. Do you
> honestly believe most republicans, even democrats
> would go into a rough neighborhood to learn what
> people think? Clearly, Republicans do not care
> about minorities, i.e. Arizona illeg. immigration
> law (profile latinos, even though some of their
> families have lived in Arizona before 1800's..)
> Stop bitching, do something yourself,stop being
> self-righteous.


Theres a HUGE difference. Republicans arent demonizing money, Obama is. Youve also obviously never lived in AZ or CA. Illegal immigration is killing their states. Even Dems there are for their illegal bills, its the rest of the country that doesnt have to deal with their problems that against it. And if you want to try and take cheap shots its the Dems who dont care about Minorities, they want them to stay on government money instead of trying to train them and better them to be part of the work force so they can keep them in their voting base.

Your last line was just beyond a stupid comment. Let me go out there and overrule the president and change the world, yea ill get right on that. So when someone is critical of the hypocrisy of Obama its bitching, but when Occupy Wallstreet is out demanding things for free doing drugs and raping each other you support it as a civil rights movement.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocrisy ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:29PM

Formerly Stones Wrote:
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> And I'm certain that Romney would definitely be
> "in touch" with the average American.
>
> Since Obama took over, my home value has gone up
> 25%, my salary 50% and my 401 30%.
>
> And if you think it's all about me:
> Home values in this area have gone up 20%, job
> loss has reversed it's trend and the stock market
> topped 13,000. Oh and he stopped a quagmire war,
> got Osama Bin Laden and prevented a hard core
> depression.
>
> If you are going to use stats for your argument,
> make sure you actually know the real stats.


So it is all about you to you. Mcdonnalds policies and the Va legislature are far more responsible for the success of VA than Obama. If it was Obamas policies you would see that across the country which you arent. Great he stopped a war and is still spending more with the war stopped then when it was going on.

When did he join Seal Team 6? I cant believe the Secret Service let him go on that raid so he could get Osama.

If you are going to use stats for your argument, makre sure you actually know the real stats outside of your neighborhood.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Glad ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:44PM

Hypocrisy, of course you agree with racial profiling, you're white. It doesn't affect you, so it's all good. People who's family has lived in Arizona for centuries are being harrased. Of course, you have never been racially profiled, so you wouldn't know how that feels. Illegal immigration killing their states? Okay, it's not like illegal immigrants put much much much much more into the country than they take from it, I believe its like 25 times more. But screw facts. Obama's policies must suck, which one of them has impacted you're life the most again?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:49PM

Glad Wrote:
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> So if the Obama's don't care, what makes you think
> any of the rich politicians care?

We're talking about the Obama's who almost everyday talk about working hard for the American people.

> In this country,
> honestly, nobody seems to care about anyone. I
> mean, who donates money that is not needed to
> charity?

Conservatives give more money as a percentage of their income then any other group.

"-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227)."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

> How many people who have extra space and
> money care to adopt a kid?

Anyone who doesn't adopt a child is not a caring person? By that mertic Michelle Bachmann cares more about the American people then anyone currently in office. She's adopted something 6 children.

> We have politicians who
> have no idea what is going on in other parts of
> the world, let alone our own country.
> Do you
> honestly believe most republicans, even democrats
> would go into a rough neighborhood to learn what
> people think?

No, but my point was directed at Obama who has the most power

> Clearly, Republicans do not care
> about minorities, i.e. Arizona illeg. immigration
> law (profile latinos, even though some of their
> families have lived in Arizona before 1800's..)

If a family has been in the US since 1800's then they are no longer illegal. Aside from that being almost 200 years ago Reagan granted amnisty in the 1980's (but failed to secure the border.)

Republicans in general aren't obsessed with breaking down society into voting blocks that must be catered to. Deporting a person for crossing the border illegally is enforcing the law not discrimination.

> Stop bitching, do something yourself,stop being
> self-righteous.

I'm not being self righteous i'm making an observation, clearly you disagree.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:55PM

Glad Wrote:
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> Hypocrisy, of course you agree with racial
> profiling, you're white.
> It doesn't affect you, so
> it's all good. People who's family has lived in
> Arizona for centuries are being harrased. Of
> course, you have never been racially profiled, so
> you wouldn't know how that feels. Illegal
> immigration killing their states? Okay, it's not
> like illegal immigrants put much much much much
> more into the country than they take from it, I
> believe its like 25 times more. But screw facts.
> Obama's policies must suck, which one of them has
> impacted you're life the most again?

Feel free to start you're own racial profiling thread

Like i said, Democrats are the ones who like break society down into different racial, ethnic, and religious groups. If thats not racisit then i don't know what is, why cant we all just be Americans?



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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Sgt. Grit ()
Date: February 24, 2012 04:57PM

hypocrisy Wrote:
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> Formerly Stones Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And I'm certain that Romney would definitely be
> > "in touch" with the average American.
> >
> > Since Obama took over, my home value has gone
> up
> > 25%, my salary 50% and my 401 30%.
> >
> > And if you think it's all about me:
> > Home values in this area have gone up 20%, job
> > loss has reversed it's trend and the stock
> market
> > topped 13,000. Oh and he stopped a quagmire
> war,
> > got Osama Bin Laden and prevented a hard core
> > depression.
> >
> > If you are going to use stats for your
> argument,
> > make sure you actually know the real stats.
>
>
> So it is all about you to you. Mcdonnalds
> policies and the Va legislature are far more
> responsible for the success of VA than Obama. If
> it was Obamas policies you would see that across
> the country which you arent. Great he stopped a
> war and is still spending more with the war
> stopped then when it was going on.
>
> When did he join Seal Team 6? I cant believe the
> Secret Service let him go on that raid so he could
> get Osama.
>

War hero Obama watched it all on the tube. Nothing more.
I'm sure he took comfort in knowing Hillary was there beside
him and her vast experience in combat under sniper fire in Bosnia
was a very valuable asset. Perhaps they should recommend themselves
for Silver Stars with V devices, Combat Infantry Badges, and
some Battle Stars. Maybe we could even get Gerry Connolly to push
for Congressional Medals of Honor for all of them. Anchors Aweigh!

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Glad ()
Date: February 24, 2012 05:02PM

Conservatives give more money, they also have wayyyyyy more money as well. And what charities are they giving too? That kinda matters. The country is obviously not a caring one, take a look at our popular reality tv shows to see what is glorified. About families being here since 1800's, they are being harrased, obviously not deported, so...But you did post the topic, and stated how the Obama's are out of touch, without giving anything. No Obama does not get a pass, she is just stating that people now bring up these issues more often now that Obama is president, so stop acting like this is only happening because of Obama. What if just by volunteering and helping others we could fix this country? Won't happen, we're too lazy and don't care enough about others. The younger generation is fucked btw, no compassion, dog-eat-dog, I think stereotypes are firm in minds of all 25 and younger. And as for the vacations, really? What do you want Michelle to do? What are their kids supposed to do, sit at home?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocrisy ()
Date: February 24, 2012 05:05PM

Glad Wrote:
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> Hypocrisy, of course you agree with racial
> profiling, you're white. It doesn't affect you, so
> it's all good.

Im a legal US citizen so it doesnt affect me. Of course you will speak of things you know nothing about. Go live in Southern Cali or AZ and then come back with an informed opinion.

>People who's family has lived in
> Arizona for centuries are being harrased. Of
> course, you have never been racially profiled, so
> you wouldn't know how that feels. Illegal
> immigration killing their states? Okay, it's not
> like illegal immigrants put much much much much
> more into the country than they take from it, I
> believe its like 25 times more. But screw facts.
> Obama's policies must suck, which one of them has
> impacted you're life the most again?

Um I dont even know where to start with this fallacy. Illegals by cost do not put 25 times more into what they take. The only thing they contribute if federal sales taxes. The amount they give to the federal government isnt even more than what they take from states. The federal government gets whatever benefit they do provide while the states have to pay for it. But screw the facts.

As far as Obamas policies where should I start. Should I start with his spending ones that have added 7.1 trillion to the debt in 3 years and caused the dollar to be worth far less, how about his business policies that even pro democrat business men say have killed business growth and are keeping unemployment high, how about his divisive polices that rip the country apart as he pins americans against each other to win reelection setting us on a path for civil war in the future, or his attorny general saying blacks cant intimidate white voters, or holder and him wanting to bring back guns bans. Should I go on......

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Glad ()
Date: February 24, 2012 05:17PM

So hypocrisy, which of Obama's policies have impacted YOU the most. You're life. Tell me how Obama's policy directly corralates to YOUR life. How before he was president it was better, and now worse due to a policy of his. Not everyone else's life, YOURS.

And your stat on illegeal immigrants is false. I would like to see your statistics, please. Or are they made up?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 24, 2012 05:23PM

Glad Wrote:
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> Conservatives give more money, they also have
> wayyyyyy more money as well. And what charities
> are they giving too?

You obviously didn't read what i posted because liberal families earn 6% more then their conservative counterparts.

> That kinda matters. The
> country is obviously not a caring one, take a look
> at our popular reality tv shows to see what is
> glorified.

Not as much as you might think those shows might get a 1million viewers..? They're on TV because they are cheap to produce.

> About families being here since 1800's,
> they are being harrased, obviously not deported,
> so...

What about Farmers who have ranches and farms and have thier houses robed and property destroyed by illegals coming over? People who pay taxes for public services that are now being strained by illegals using them?

> But you did post the topic, and stated how
> the Obama's are out of touch, without giving
> anything. No Obama does not get a pass, she is
> just stating that people now bring up these issues
> more often now that Obama is president, so stop
> acting like this is only happening because of
> Obama.

Most families can't afford to take vacations right now, even driving to the beach is becoming to expensive. She said people are in pain and have been in pain for decades, yet has been living a life of excess. Isn't this the worst financial crises since the great depression? Aren't things worse then Obama was told by Bush?

> What if just by volunteering and helping
> others we could fix this country? Won't happen,
> we're too lazy and don't care enough about others.
> The younger generation is fucked btw, no
> compassion, dog-eat-dog, I think stereotypes are
> firm in minds of all 25 and younger.
> And as for
> the vacations, really? What do you want Michelle
> to do? What are their kids supposed to do, sit at
> home?

That should've been a dicussion her and Barry had before he ran for president. Plenty of people in the military put their lives on hold for 4 years or more to serve this country. Why is it unreasonable that the Commander and Chief do the same? Ok so if things are getting better, they're not great, Its not a booming economy.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocrisy ()
Date: February 24, 2012 05:27PM

Glad Wrote:
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> So hypocrisy, which of Obama's policies have
> impacted YOU the most. You're life. Tell me how
> Obama's policy directly corralates to YOUR life.
> How before he was president it was better, and now
> worse due to a policy of his. Not everyone else's
> life, YOURS.

Honestly how dumb can you be. Everyone of those things Ive listed affects us all as Americans and quality of life. Unlike you Im not selfish and wont support someone whose done well for just me at the expense of everyone else I care about the country as a whole. When we have 7 or 8 dollar gas during his next term dont be shocked. Or when the next generation is using 1000 dollar bills like theyre hundreds from inflation itll be okay though since you kept getting your free money.


> And your stat on illegeal immigrants is false. I
> would like to see your statistics, please. Or are
> they made up?

No my stats on illegal immigrants is true, your so smart you can go find them yourself like a big boy. But you would rather just live in your fantasy world where illegals are great and just pump the country full of money. If that were even remotely true boarder states would have surpluses and not be swimming in debt.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: February 24, 2012 06:00PM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Here is a positive, Obama gave the order to go
> after Bin Laden.


Nine months after he was located, yes. He did.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: February 24, 2012 06:03PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> hypocracy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
> >
> > Thats true, but when you administrations whole
> > strategy is to demonize people with money
>
> Well that isn't their strategy and has never been
> their strategy. That's just dumb FOX News idiocy.


Meeps, come on. FOX didn't organize OWS. FOX didn't come up with the catchy 1% slogans. And FOX sure as hell didn't convince the prez to back the occupiers.

Lope sided? Sure. MSNBC isn't? Evil? Not likely. None of them are news agencies anymore. They're all about entertainment and what their viewers want to hear.

Or did you really believe the "people" needed to hear about a thrill running down Chris Mathews leg?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Formerly Stones ()
Date: February 24, 2012 10:37PM

Hipocracy, you are an idiot. Gas prices are about what they averaged during Bush's reign. The stock market, economy and reversal of dperession/job growth is nation-wide and has nothing to do with my neighborhood. All you have to look at is job growth beginning January 2009. For Christ's sake, give the guy some credit. Look at the big picture.

And yes, he was not on Seal team 6. But the fact that his policies allowed less attention/manpower to be needed in Iraq (which is a war we should never have started in the first place), more attention could be turned to Afghanistan/Pakistan and where the real terrorists come from. That allowed them to find him. Bush could have done it and taken the credit if he never turned his focus from the real terrorists to trying to get someone who "tried to kill (my) daddy".

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stinkfist ()
Date: February 24, 2012 10:45PM

The POTUS should vacation wherever the hell he wants. I would be embarrassed if our president took RV tours to Iowa or picked blueberrys in Maine.

The president should indulge in the lavish. Anything else would be a bullshit act.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 24, 2012 11:26PM

Formerly Stones Wrote:
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> Hipocracy, you are an idiot. Gas prices are about
> what they averaged during Bush's reign. The stock
> market, economy and reversal of dperession/job
> growth is nation-wide and has nothing to do with
> my neighborhood. All you have to look at is job
> growth beginning January 2009. For Christ's sake,
> give the guy some credit. Look at the big
> picture.

Right.........
Three years ago, President Obama signed the stimulus into law indicating that it would generate 3.5 million American jobs. Unemployment is higher than it was in January 2009, long-term unemployment rose 83% to 5.5 million. The number of Americans in the workforce is the lowest ever at 63.7%. So your version of a recovery is to have unemployment go down by just having people give up. Just because people come off unemployment because theyve been on it for the 99 week maximum doesnt mean they found a job. Obamas new budget proposal would also increase the debt to at least 19 trillion using a 3% growth model which we havent had in quite some time. But lets not let facts get in the way.

Yea gas prices are the same if you account one huge jump in 07. Other than that jump they are much higher and climbing.
http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html
So let me get this straight when gas rises under Bush its because hes taking care of his oil buddies. When gas rises under Obama its not the presidents fault. Nevermind the fact that since 07 permits to drill on federal land are down 44%, new well drilling is down 39% and deep water permits are down 57%.

So moral of the story anything bad blame Bush, anything good give Obama credit for. Got it.

His energy polices are doing exactly what he wanted them to do, raise prices.
"You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers." - Obama

> And yes, he was not on Seal team 6. But the fact
> that his policies allowed less attention/manpower
> to be needed in Iraq (which is a war we should
> never have started in the first place), more
> attention could be turned to Afghanistan/Pakistan
> and where the real terrorists come from. That
> allowed them to find him. Bush could have done it
> and taken the credit if he never turned his focus
> from the real terrorists to trying to get someone
> who "tried to kill (my) daddy".

Moving forces from Iraq to Afghanistan had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. He was found from intelligence from water boarding and from them following up on leads that were developed under Bush. Neither should get credit for it. He did what he was supposed to do and gave the go ahead to go get Osama. Seal Team 6 gets the credit for pulling it off. Unlike former Presidents who would give the military credit about it his speech about getting him was all about himself. He must have said I ordered this or I did that about 30 times trying to take credit for it.

Any of fallacies you believe?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: RR ()
Date: February 25, 2012 01:16AM

Sgt. Grit Wrote:
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> War hero Obama watched it all on the tube. Nothing
> more.
> I'm sure he took comfort in knowing Hillary was
> there beside
> him and her vast experience in combat under sniper
> fire in Bosnia
> was a very valuable asset. Perhaps they should
> recommend themselves
> for Silver Stars with V devices, Combat Infantry
> Badges, and
> some Battle Stars. Maybe we could even get Gerry
> Connolly to push
> for Congressional Medals of Honor for all of them.
> Anchors Aweigh!


At least Obama didn't pretend to be a combat pilot and fly a plane onto an aircraft carrier with a giant "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background. Good thing chickenhawk Dick Cheney wasn't there, he probably would have shot someone in the face.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 25, 2012 08:47AM

What does George Bush and a failed publicity stunt have to do with the current administration being out of touch with the people they are supposed to serve?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Zep ()
Date: February 25, 2012 09:09AM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> What does George Bush and a failed publicity stunt
> have to do with the current administration being
> out of touch with the people they are supposed to
> serve?


If Bush wasn't such an out-of-touch fuck up Obama wouldn't even be president. Plus the poster was responding to the specific comment in quotes, not your original question.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Poppin' Jay Fox ()
Date: February 25, 2012 09:55AM

RR Wrote:
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>
>
> At least Obama didn't pretend to be a combat pilot
> and fly a plane onto an aircraft carrier with a
> giant "Mission Accomplished" banner in the
> background. Good thing chickenhawk Dick Cheney
> wasn't there, he probably would have shot someone
> in the face.


What was Odumbo's great military service again? Oh that's right, ZERO. McLoser and Dole were both military men of accomplishment when they ran against two losers who either actively dodged the draft (and loathed the military) or never even considered serving. Bush flew fighter bombers. He volunteered for Nam but was turned down because his plane was being removed from service. Did he party and skate while serving? Sure. Did he serve and fly fighter bombers and volunteer to go to an active war zone? Yep, all proven and documented. Lightyears more than the previous two democrat presidents every did.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: RR ()
Date: February 25, 2012 10:18AM

Poppin' Jay Fox Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> RR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > At least Obama didn't pretend to be a combat
> pilot
> > and fly a plane onto an aircraft carrier with a
> > giant "Mission Accomplished" banner in the
> > background. Good thing chickenhawk Dick Cheney
> > wasn't there, he probably would have shot
> someone
> > in the face.
>
>
> What was Odumbo's great military service again?
> Oh that's right, ZERO. McLoser and Dole were both
> military men of accomplishment when they ran
> against two losers who either actively dodged the
> draft (and loathed the military) or never even
> considered serving. Bush flew fighter bombers.
> He volunteered for Nam but was turned down because
> his plane was being removed from service. Did he
> party and skate while serving? Sure. Did he
> serve and fly fighter bombers and volunteer to go
> to an active war zone? Yep, all proven and
> documented. Lightyears more than the previous two
> democrat presidents every did.

And all that "combat" experience of Dubya certainly paid off in that incompetently managed clusterfuck of the Iraq War that raged on long after "Mission Accomplished."

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 25, 2012 11:20AM

RR Wrote:

> And all that "combat" experience of Dubya
> certainly paid off in that incompetently managed
> clusterfuck of the Iraq War that raged on long
> after "Mission Accomplished."

So now Bush managed every aspect of the war too. We really need to cut the guy some slack. I mean really our government is fatally flawed why cant we get the president some help. According to liberals Bush was micromanaging the Iraq war making combat decisions, making secret oil dealers for his buddies to keep prices artificially high. out in the gulf of mexico running in circles to create Katrina, planned the 9-11 attacked in under 8 months (a truly amazing accomplishment), and the list goes on. Clearly he was over extended. It seems like we should be able to get the president some sort of staff or some help at least.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: THE GREAT ONE ()
Date: February 25, 2012 11:25AM

Obama is only doing what a good Marxist does.

Inciting warfare between the classes so he can swoop in and create fairness.

Destroying so he can recreate.

Promoting and feeding anger; applauding and giving a nudge to movements like Occupy Wall Street, so he can heal the wounds, redistribute wealth and ostracize the producers.

It's about power and control, under the guise of "fairness".

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 25, 2012 12:13PM

Wonder if Obama has hit 100 rounds of Golf yet? According to this White House reporter Obama was up to 90 as of Dec 26, 2011. What hard working person has this much time to play golf?


Obama Golfs for the 90th Time as President

by KEITH KOFFLER on DECEMBER 26, 2011, 9:07 PM

After an hour of hiking, President Obama Monday got down to the serious business at hand, heading out to golf for the second day in his first three days of vacation. He was back on the course at Marine Corps Base Hawaii.

With this one, Obama reaches a new milestone, having gone golfing 90 times in less than three years as president. That’s about three months of golf, given that the excursions generally take about five hours – much of the useful portion of the day.

What’s more, it’s the 32nd time he’s been on the links this year, a record for the president. His 32 outings eclipses the 2010 mark of 30 and is far ahead of his 2009 tally of 28 rounds as president.

And remember, there are still five days left in the year for Obama to pad his new record, which he almost certainly will.

Along for Monday’s round were three of Obama’s Hawaii friends, Mike Ramos, Greg Orme and Bobby Titcomb. The latter, you may remember, was arrested in April in a prostitution sting.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/12/26/obama-golfs-90th-time-president/

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: good point ()
Date: February 25, 2012 12:27PM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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What hard working
> person has this much time to play golf?
>
>
>

+1 a black man has no business setting foot on a golf course. it's a white man's game.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Mitt ()
Date: February 25, 2012 12:44PM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Wonder if Obama has hit 100 rounds of Golf yet?
> According to this White House reporter Obama was
> up to 90 as of Dec 26, 2011. What hard working
> person has this much time to play golf?

John Boehner.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: In touch ()
Date: February 25, 2012 12:50PM

Poppin' Jay Fox Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> RR Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > At least Obama didn't pretend to be a combat
> pilot
> > and fly a plane onto an aircraft carrier with a
> > giant "Mission Accomplished" banner in the
> > background. Good thing chickenhawk Dick Cheney
> > wasn't there, he probably would have shot
> someone
> > in the face.
>
>
> What was Odumbo's great military service again?
> Oh that's right, ZERO. McLoser and Dole were both
> military men of accomplishment when they ran
> against two losers who either actively dodged the
> draft (and loathed the military) or never even
> considered serving. Bush flew fighter bombers.
> He volunteered for Nam but was turned down because
> his plane was being removed from service. Did he
> party and skate while serving? Sure. Did he
> serve and fly fighter bombers and volunteer to go
> to an active war zone? Yep, all proven and
> documented. Lightyears more than the previous two
> democrat presidents every did.


and yet he's done a better job overseeing our military than the last president.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 25, 2012 12:52PM

In touch Wrote:
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> and yet he's done a better job overseeing our
> military than the last president.


Yep downsizing is great. Wouldnt want the world to think that our military is to powerful

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 25, 2012 01:24PM

Mitt Wrote:
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> Hay Zeus Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wonder if Obama has hit 100 rounds of Golf yet?
> > According to this White House reporter Obama
> was
> > up to 90 as of Dec 26, 2011. What hard working
> > person has this much time to play golf?
>
> John Boehner.


You might be on to something...

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/beat-boehner-billboard-live-and-its-cau



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2012 01:25PM by Hay Zeus.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: ButlerCountyKid ()
Date: February 25, 2012 01:48PM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Mitt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hay Zeus Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Wonder if Obama has hit 100 rounds of Golf
> yet?
> > > According to this White House reporter Obama
> > was
> > > up to 90 as of Dec 26, 2011. What hard
> working
> > > person has this much time to play golf?
> >
> > John Boehner.
>
>
> You might be on to something...
>
> http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/beat-boehner-
> billboard-live-and-its-cau

LOL! Here's the results of Boehner's last re-election.

Justin Coussoule 65,883 30%
John Boehner 142,731 66%

Coussoule is a lightweight who simply doesn't understand
the nature of that particular House District. I do, and
he's living in a dreamworld. This is the gun totin', Bible
thumpin' crowd that Obama so despises and "Casserole" is
pissin' in the wind.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: ButlerCountyKid ()
Date: February 25, 2012 01:55PM

Too bad "Casserole" didn't put his billboard a few
miles north just across the highway from "Touchdown Jesus".
Remember him?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mf2u9VWAhM

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Poppin' Jay Fox ()
Date: February 25, 2012 02:00PM

In touch Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Poppin' Jay Fox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > RR Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > >
> > > At least Obama didn't pretend to be a combat
> > pilot
> > > and fly a plane onto an aircraft carrier with
> a
> > > giant "Mission Accomplished" banner in the
> > > background. Good thing chickenhawk Dick
> Cheney
> > > wasn't there, he probably would have shot
> > someone
> > > in the face.
> >
> >
> > What was Odumbo's great military service again?
>
> > Oh that's right, ZERO. McLoser and Dole were
> both
> > military men of accomplishment when they ran
> > against two losers who either actively dodged
> the
> > draft (and loathed the military) or never even
> > considered serving. Bush flew fighter bombers.
>
> > He volunteered for Nam but was turned down
> because
> > his plane was being removed from service. Did
> he
> > party and skate while serving? Sure. Did he
> > serve and fly fighter bombers and volunteer to
> go
> > to an active war zone? Yep, all proven and
> > documented. Lightyears more than the previous
> two
> > democrat presidents every did.
>
>
> and yet he's done a better job overseeing our
> military than the last president.


Bush sucked. Odumbo sucks worse. What has Odumbo done that was better than Bush? He followed Bush's plan to a Tee on Iraq until the very end. No better or worse there. In Afghanistan, he went with the proposed Bush surge strategy but cut it in half. The Muslims hate us more now than when Bushtard left office and the ME is on fire with every Muslim ally that we had now falling into the hands of radical Islamic nutcases. Iran is less than 12 months from getting a nuclear bomb. Europe is starting a double dip recession and who are they turning to for economic help? China and Russia. For the first time since WWII, Europe is not looking to the US to bail them out.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 02:14PM

I don't suspect that a billionaire Morman is going to be more in touch with Regular America. Why do we always have to tear apart our leaders? In my opinion, he's done an amazing job. I really don't have much to criticize at all. I wasn't happy with how he handled Libya but besides that, the economy is recovering, housing market is recoverying and the wars are settling down. It could have gotten really bad 2-3 years ago but all in all, the US is on the right track.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 25, 2012 02:22PM

Stones Wrote:
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> I don't suspect that a billionaire Morman is going
> to be more in touch with Regular America. Why do
> we always have to tear apart our leaders? In my
> opinion, he's done an amazing job. I really don't
> have much to criticize at all. I wasn't happy with
> how he handled Libya but besides that, the economy
> is recovering, housing market is recoverying and
> the wars are settling down. It could have gotten
> really bad 2-3 years ago but all in all, the US is
> on the right track.

Put down the weed brah and start paying attention

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 02:33PM

I don't smoke. Sorry.

Oh, I pay attention, very well and have no problem going toe to toe with facts. All I can say is that I am so much better off than I was 3 years ago and I firmly believe his policies have a lot to do with that.

It's like anyone who seriously doesn't think that America is better off right now either has no idea how bad it could have gotten 3 years ago because they were too young or they're drinking the fox news cool-aid. There's been great progress and sometimes progress is simply based on a measure of trends (i.e., there could still be a loss of jobs but there are less jobs being loss this month vs. last month). The trend 3 years ago was depression and complete economic failure.

I don't understand what Obama haters want? It's like they'd be celebrating in the streets if this country failed under his watch. You guys would jizz in your pants if there was a new September 11th to blame on him. Shame on you.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: RdR ()
Date: February 25, 2012 03:00PM

Ever notice how the HuffingtonPost/Media Matters sheep always tries to
fling around the word "facts" when they really mean opinion?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 25, 2012 03:18PM

Stones just comes across as another out of touch selfish arrogant asshole, because using this area which has more half of the top 10 richest counties within a stones throw as a barometer for the economic health of the whole country does not appear to be very well imformed at all.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: ... ()
Date: February 25, 2012 03:33PM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Stones just comes across as another out of touch
> selfish arrogant asshole, because using this area
> which has more half of the top 10 richest counties
> within a stones throw as a barometer for the
> economic health of the whole country does not
> appear to be very well imformed at all.
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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Okay ()
Date: February 25, 2012 03:47PM

So what alternatives are you proposing, Zeus man? You obviously despise Obama and reject his policies. Should we vote Republican? The tax cutting and deregulation of the last GOP administration certainly didnt end well (it's not like Obama caused the recession to occur in the first place). Bush wasn't exactly in touch with the common man either, farting around at his ranch or prancing off to the Olympics while Rome burned. Is there a specific Republican candidate whose proposals are different from either Bush or Obama we should turn to, or should we go the third party route? Or should we ignore everything that happened prior to January 09, pin everything on O., and hope and pray that Republican economic policy will work this time?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Poppin' Jay Fox ()
Date: February 25, 2012 04:51PM

Okay Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So what alternatives are you proposing, Zeus man?
> You obviously despise Obama and reject his
> policies. Should we vote Republican? The tax
> cutting and deregulation of the last GOP
> administration certainly didnt end well (it's not
> like Obama caused the recession to occur in the
> first place). Bush wasn't exactly in touch with
> the common man either, farting around at his ranch
> or prancing off to the Olympics while Rome burned.
> Is there a specific Republican candidate whose
> proposals are different from either Bush or Obama
> we should turn to, or should we go the third party
> route? Or should we ignore everything that
> happened prior to January 09, pin everything on
> O., and hope and pray that Republican economic
> policy will work this time?


Bush sucked. We admit that. Bush and the republicans spent like drunken sailors. But Obama and the democrats are like sailors on crack and meth. They made the republicans look like pikers when it comes to spending our grandkids money on shit that most of us don't need, don't want and is most likely unconstitutional. Bush had a $5 Trillion deficit in 8 years. Obama has a $4.5 Trillion in 3½. Bush had Medicare part B. Obama has government take over of the entire health care industry. Bush had No Child Left Behind. Obama has "keep the federal money but don't worry about how you track how you spend it". Both suck, but one is exponentially worse and that would be the democrats.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:06PM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Stones just comes across as another out of touch
> selfish arrogant asshole, because using this area
> which has more half of the top 10 richest counties
> within a stones throw as a barometer for the
> economic health of the whole country does not
> appear to be very well imformed at all.


Give me facts dummy. Do this:

Go look at NATIONAL unemployment figures starting January 09. Virtually every month showed a decrease jobs lost until around January 10. Since January 10, there has been consistent job growths (23 straight months of private sector job growth and unemployment at 8.3%).

Look at the national figures for new foreclosures and look at the housing growth for major cities (all major cities). That's where you see economic growth first and it will trickle down to middle America.

Look at the stock market since January 09.

Look at numbers of soldiers lost in batttle since January 09.

Look at numbers of wars we are currently involved in since January 09.

Look at the health of Al Quaeda since January 09.

Hell, if you really want, even look at major crime statistics, Nationally.

After you do that, come back here and explain how you think I'm talking about only a local recovery.

I want this country to do well. I want this to still be the country that people wish they were born in and will risk their lives to come to. So I don't care if Barney the dinosaur is running for re-election, if his policies lead to economic recovery, safety of our soldiers abroad and citizens here, and allows more people to own a home than ever before, I'll vote for him.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2012 06:08PM by Stones.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:10PM

Also, I don't know how I could possibly be out of touch. I've lived in 8 states, lived in Europe, was not born into wealth, paid for my own college/graduate school and worked with citizens with disabilities for 10 years so I know how policies affect everyone from the poor to the rich (like me :)

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hay Zeus ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:13PM

Okay Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> So what alternatives are you proposing, Zeus man?
> You obviously despise Obama and reject his
> policies. Should we vote Republican? The tax
> cutting and deregulation of the last GOP
> administration certainly didnt end well (it's not
> like Obama caused the recession to occur in the
> first place). Bush wasn't exactly in touch with
> the common man either, farting around at his ranch
> or prancing off to the Olympics while Rome burned.
> Is there a specific Republican candidate whose
> proposals are different from either Bush or Obama
> we should turn to, or should we go the third party
> route? Or should we ignore everything that
> happened prior to January 09, pin everything on
> O., and hope and pray that Republican economic
> policy will work this time?

I'm not even a George Bush fan but am compelled to defend him because of people like you.

1) Use natural resources in land owned by the federal government (which is really we the people) as a source of revenue for the government.
2) Flat tax of 10-15% possibly combined with national sales tax of 1% that can only be raised by a super majority of congress and approved the by the president.
3) Cap government spending to 20% of GDP
4) Reduce the size of the federal government and do away with many of the departments including the EPA and Dept of Ed.
5) Repeal Obamacare, allow Insurance companies to sell the same policy across state lines.
6) Lower corporate income tax to 20%
7) Phase out Social Security

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: CBR ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:27PM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Okay Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So what alternatives are you proposing, Zeus
> man?
> > You obviously despise Obama and reject his
> > policies. Should we vote Republican? The tax
> > cutting and deregulation of the last GOP
> > administration certainly didnt end well (it's
> not
> > like Obama caused the recession to occur in the
> > first place). Bush wasn't exactly in touch
> with
> > the common man either, farting around at his
> ranch
> > or prancing off to the Olympics while Rome
> burned.
> > Is there a specific Republican candidate whose
> > proposals are different from either Bush or
> Obama
> > we should turn to, or should we go the third
> party
> > route? Or should we ignore everything that
> > happened prior to January 09, pin everything on
> > O., and hope and pray that Republican economic
> > policy will work this time?
>
> I'm not even a George Bush fan but am compelled to
> defend him because of people like you.
>
> 1) Use natural resources in land owned by the
> federal government (which is really we the people)
> as a source of revenue for the government.
> 2) Flat tax of 10-15% possibly combined with
> national sales tax of 1% that can only be raised
> by a super majority of congress and approved the
> by the president.
> 3) Cap government spending to 20% of GDP
> 4) Reduce the size of the federal government and
> do away with many of the departments including the
> EPA and Dept of Ed.
> 5) Repeal Obamacare, allow Insurance companies to
> sell the same policy across state lines.
> 6) Lower corporate income tax to 20%
> 7) Phase out Social Security

He kept his nose out of my gun collection.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:35PM

>
> 1) Use natural resources in land owned by the
> federal government (which is really we the people)
> as a source of revenue for the government.
> 2) Flat tax of 10-15% possibly combined with
> national sales tax of 1% that can only be raised
> by a super majority of congress and approved the
> by the president.
> 3) Cap government spending to 20% of GDP
> 4) Reduce the size of the federal government and
> do away with many of the departments including the
> EPA and Dept of Ed.
> 5) Repeal Obamacare, allow Insurance companies to
> sell the same policy across state lines.
> 6) Lower corporate income tax to 20%
> 7) Phase out Social Security

This is such an incredibly narrow minded approach. This might temporarily reduce spending and the deficit, but it would be a long-term disaster to the long-term success of this nation. Like it's so easy to cap goverment spending and reduce the size of the federal government. Unfortunately, that means job loss.

Pretty much all you solutions would widen the gap between the rich and poor and with less accountability for "corporations" and a smaller government, you are going to see more economic disasters like the housing market collapse.

I'm not really sure what your background is or where you get your facts but I don't think you are very well prepared, know enough or smart enough to be coming up with solutions that the current administration has not already considered and instead implemented better ones. Your scope is incredibly small. You remind me of a hill rat. You've spent 5 months interning for some republican congressman and suddenly you know everything.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Pancks(1) ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:48PM

Obama wasn’t ready to be a US Senator and he wasn’t ready to be president either.
And because some Americans put stupid white guilt above common sense and thereby elected the most unready of candidates to the office of President of the United States, our economy is at a standstill.
But even more importantly, the country has, under Obama, once again lost a sense of its place and is questioning its historical mission of being the City on a Hill for the rest of the world.
Only 18 percent of Americans now believe that the country is on the right track. The number has never been above 47 percent since Obama took office. The country reached its feel good moment at the six-month mark of the Democrat takeover of Congress, and it’s been downhill for Obama ever since. He now faces an 18 precent gap between those who strongly approve of his performance versus those who strongly disapprove according to Rasmussen.

The last time the world was this demoralized, was the last time a Democrat president let things drift because he had no idea how to be president of the United States.
Obama has been lately reprising that president’s “malaise” speech, calling Americans "lazy" and generally bemoaning the country’s lack of direction.
The guy who couldn’t find his way to Congress even if a cruise missile was strapped to his backside recently sympathized with the one-tenth percent of Americans whom Occupy Wall Street think they represent, saying "A lot of the folks who’ve been down in New York and all across the country in the Occupy movement,” says Obama, “there is a profound sense of frustration, a profound sense of frustration about the fact that the essence of the American Dream… feels like it’s slipping away.”
Bravo, Mr. Obama. Terrific job acting like Occupy Wall Street has anything to do with the American Dream. Terrific job pretending like you even understand what the American Dream is about. Spoken like a true, leftist community organizer.
If the American Dream is slipping away, though, the only replacement Obama has offered the country is the lush verbiage from the book Dreams from My Father, a mish-mash of circular logic, an American Oblomov superfluous, inert and self-absorbed- the inverse actually of the American Dream.
“Congress needs to pass the rest of my American Jobs Act,” said Obama, after Dems and the GOP passed modest legislation aimed at making it easier to hire veterans, “so that we can create jobs and put money in the pockets of the middle class.”
But Obama’s words belie the real trouble with him: He doesn’t really have a Jobs Act. He doesn’t have a budget, a foreign policy, an energy policy, an immigration policy. Instead he only acts like he has some of these.
He’s the incomplete genesis of a community organizer.
But reading words on cue cards prepared by others isn’t a substitute for having a policy; it isn’t the same thing as being president of the United States.
Complicating things for Obama is the dilemma that is that he has never really decided in life who he really is.
Thomas Aquinas once raised the issue of choosing between a proud man and a pusillanimous one,” Take the proud one every time, he advised, because you will be sure that he will at least do something.”
Perhaps it’s time for someone to ask the relevant question: Does the life of a community organizer, which is necessarily a parochial endeavor, adequately prepare someone for the job of leading the nation?
At least in the case of Obama, one would have to say no; not because of policy, not because of ideology, not because of point of view, but rather on account of inadequate preparation. When the history of the Obama administration is written, I predict, Americans will be appalled by the pusillanimity of the man once anointed the One.
But that’s not all.
Because, he not only lacks the skills, but he also lacks the conviction to be president of the United States.
A man with conviction would be either for or against Occupy Wall Street- or banks or illegal immigrants, etc- not both for and against them at the same time.
That’s what happens when a community organizer wars with the president of the United States, wholly in the person of himself.
It makes for great drama, great acting.
But it makes for the poorest possible history.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:51PM

Stones Wrote:
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> Give me facts dummy. Do this:
>
> Go look at NATIONAL unemployment figures starting
> January 09. Virtually every month showed a
> decrease jobs lost until around January 10. Since
> January 10, there has been consistent job growths
> (23 straight months of private sector job growth
> and unemployment at 8.3%).

I like how you leave out the fact that the labor force is at the smaller percentage it has ever been. But people that just give up get taken out from being counted as unemployed.

> Look at the national figures for new foreclosures
> and look at the housing growth for major cities
> (all major cities). That's where you see economic
> growth first and it will trickle down to middle
> America.

You are literally the only person in the country to talk about economic growth and housing

> Look at the stock market since January 09.

Yes lets look at them. Most of them are down, some of the big companies like apply have had great success and are keeping the overall number up. As long as Gold is sitting above 15 hundred an ounce things are very good. Stock dividens are still down from where they were.

Youve also left out the fact that most of the companies doing the best right now on the stack market are international ones who only mark part of their bottom line in the US. Things are still bad, and I mean bad. They will only get worse as the dollar gets devalued as we print off more money to pay for the deficit which next years budget will bring us to the 10/20 trillion mark. 4 years of Obamas budgets will have more than doubled our national dept from the first 43 presidents.

> Look at numbers of soldiers lost in batttle since
> January 09.

As opposed to what. Its tragic when a solider is lost defending our country but that is what they are there for. If our goal is to never lose a solider instead of protect our country and our interests we should just get rid of the military.

> Look at numbers of wars we are currently involved
> in since January 09.

More now actually. We still have a presence in Iraq, were still fighting in Afghanistan, were in Lybia, were in Africa now, were getting ready to send drones to Syria maybe more. Using the total number of wars is stupid. Wars are based off of need. The correct answer to how any wars should you be in is as many as necessary.

> Look at the health of Al Quaeda since January 09.

Its basically the same as where it was when he took office. We got Osama which is great and hopefully will help bring some closure for those 9-11 families but they are still trying to pull off attacks in the splintered manner they now operate and still making IEDs. Theres been no significant break down in their overall ability and never will be until Pakistan gets serious about rooting them out among other nations in that region.

> Hell, if you really want, even look at major crime
> statistics, Nationally.

In the first half of 2011 it was down slightly. Theres no data for the 2nd half yet thats been complied. That down swing can also be attributed to the fact that more people now than ever own guns. Criminals dont want to go after armed households.

> After you do that, come back here and explain how
> you think I'm talking about only a local
> recovery.

Yes you are you even start out by saying youre doing better, you probably assume everyone else is too. Long term unemployment is up, umemployment is up, the housing market is a disaster with trillions in value lost, the labor force is the smallest percentage its ever been, it goes on and on right now.

> I want this country to do well. I want this to
> still be the country that people wish they were
> born in and will risk their lives to come to. So I
> don't care if Barney the dinosaur is running for
> re-election, if his policies lead to economic
> recovery, safety of our soldiers abroad and
> citizens here, and allows more people to own a
> home than ever before, I'll vote for him.

Why do you keep mentioning home ownership like its something positive in this country. The fact that you think that is doing well across the country shows what a bubble you are basing your opinion on.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Pancks(1) ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:53PM

1st President to violate the war powers act, 1st to preside over a cut to the credit rating of the US, 1st to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf, 1st to defy Federal Judges court order to cease implementing Health care reform, 1st to by pass congress and implement Dream Act, 1st pres. to hide his medical educational and travel records, 1st pres to have 22 personal servants(tax payer funded) for his wife...I could go on and on but you get my point!

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 25, 2012 06:53PM

CBR Wrote:

> He kept his nose out of my gun collection.


I assume you mean Bush?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 07:04PM

I'm done with this thread. Hipocracy, your arguments are idiotic. Nowhere are you stating facts and in some cases stating flat out lies (like long-term unemployment?)

Wars are different than operations. We are involved only as peacekeeping troops now and the mission is hearts and minds.

My point about home ownership is a reversal of trends.

And so there is less crime now because of the 2nd amendment? Citizens are policing themselves so gunrights get's credit?

And so it's OK for soldiers to die because that's what they are there to do? It always a tragedy and especially when the death was needless.

You are a seriously an idiot. I was attracted to this thread because I thought I might find a good debate but your arguments are unfounded and child-like. I'm guessing GMU student taking a Political Science class and Hey Zeus is a hill rat. Either way, arguing with you is pointless because you don't seem to like facts and are incredibly influenced by falacies and improper use of heuristics.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 25, 2012 07:35PM

Stones Wrote:
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> I'm done with this thread. Hipocracy, your
> arguments are idiotic. Nowhere are you stating
> facts and in some cases stating flat out lies
> (like long-term unemployment?)

Please know what you are talking about before accusing people of being liars. That says enough right there that you dont know what long term unemployment is.

Ill educate you long term unemployment is people out of work for 52 weeks or more. In january of this year it rose 83% to 5.5 million total. Almost two million of which have been out of work for more than 99 weeks.

"As of January, 5.5 million workers had been unemployed for six months or longer, and nearly 2 million of those had been jobless for 99 weeks or longer -- beyond the reach of unemployment insurance." - Huffington post just so you cant try and say it was made up by republicans

> Wars are different than operations. We are
> involved only as peacekeeping troops now and the
> mission is hearts and minds.

No were still playing the same role in Afghanistan as we were in 2006-2007-2008 ect. Were doing the same thing in Iraq on a smaller scale. The actual war part of those missions lasted about 3 weeks as neither military wanted to stand toe to toe. By your definition neither has been a war for quite some time.

> My point about home ownership is a reversal of
> trends.

The reversal of which isnt happening across the country. Its happening in small pockets of the country like here. Even mansions in beverly hills are being abandoned from loss of value. Your point was factually incorrect for the country and was based off of personal experience.

> And so there is less crime now because of the 2nd
> amendment? Citizens are policing themselves so
> gunrights get's credit?

Gets part of the credit yes. Crime has always been lower in places that allow gun ownership. NYC/DC ect have never allowed it and always boosted some of the highest crime rates. Criminals want easy targets. Theres entire crime theories about the triangle that has to come together in order for a crime to happen with a potential victim a willing offender and the lack of a guardian.

> And so it's OK for soldiers to die because that's
> what they are there to do? It always a tragedy and
> especially when the death was needless.

Its not okay for them, but this isnt a video game. Some of them will die fighting for their country. They know its a risk going in and were fortunate to have people serving like that.

> You are a seriously an idiot. I was attracted to
> this thread because I thought I might find a good
> debate but your arguments are unfounded and
> child-like. I'm guessing GMU student taking a
> Political Science class and Hey Zeus is a hill
> rat. Either way, arguing with you is pointless
> because you don't seem to like facts and are
> incredibly influenced by falacies and improper use
> of heuristics.

The only idiot here is you who refuses to deal in reality. You didnt want a debate or to have reality exposed. You were hoping a bunch of people would just agree with everything you say and tell you how smart you are. Youre arguments have consisted of calling people liars/idiots, saying youre doing better than you were, not knowing what long term unemployment is, and thinking something about iraq or afghanistan has fundamentally changed recently. Theyre the same guerilla warfare battle ground they have been for several years now.

Im guessing your an OWS supporter who thinks they know everything or you just refuse to look out side the nova bubble. You think the housing market is positive that says enough right there

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hooha ()
Date: February 25, 2012 07:41PM

Hay Zeus, hypocrisy, you're not debating, you're so entrenched in your narrow minded political beliefs you disregard everything anyone is saying. This thread has not proved how the Obama's are out of touch. In fact, it is a pointless thread, where all you are doing is spewing your beliefs, while disregarding everyone who opposes you. Surely you cannot be right on every single issue? Or I guess, the right is always correct? Might as well start a Hay Zeus and hypocrisy talking points thread. The title and your petty accusations do not make people take you seriously. Go out and do something productive.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Poppin' Jay Fox ()
Date: February 25, 2012 07:53PM

Hooha Wrote:
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> Hay Zeus, hypocrisy, you're not debating, you're
> so entrenched in your narrow minded political
> beliefs you disregard everything anyone is saying.
> This thread has not proved how the Obama's are out
> of touch. In fact, it is a pointless thread, where
> all you are doing is spewing your beliefs, while
> disregarding everyone who opposes you. Surely you
> cannot be right on every single issue? Or I guess,
> the right is always correct? Might as well start a
> Hay Zeus and hypocrisy talking points thread. The
> title and your petty accusations do not make
> people take you seriously. Go out and do something
> productive.

Show us where they're wrong comrade. hypocrisy is correct on the unemployment numbers. Demonstrate how Stones has conceded when he's wrong. Instead of baseless ad hominem attacks, back up your assertions.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 25, 2012 07:53PM

Hooha Wrote:
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> Hay Zeus, hypocrisy, you're not debating, you're
> so entrenched in your narrow minded political
> beliefs you disregard everything anyone is saying.
> This thread has not proved how the Obama's are out
> of touch. In fact, it is a pointless thread, where
> all you are doing is spewing your beliefs, while
> disregarding everyone who opposes you. Surely you
> cannot be right on every single issue? Or I guess,
> the right is always correct? Might as well start a
> Hay Zeus and hypocrisy talking points thread. The
> title and your petty accusations do not make
> people take you seriously. Go out and do something
> productive.

Theres nothing to debate when your dealing in hard facts. I look things up and dont post off of my personal experiences like stones is. There is no debating umemployment or the work force shrinking or long term unemployment (or do you also believe thats a made up thinghy).

Please show me one fact Ive provided in this thread that is wrong. But of course you wont because you dont want to deal in facts either. You will believe what you want to fit the image you want. You must also think the housing market is great.

Im glad you think data is my beliefs though I must have a lot of power to just manipulate it how I want

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 08:02PM

NYC has one of the lowest crime rates in the nation!

And your shit about long term unemployment? Look at the entirety of the problem. Not just one aspect. It takes time for an economic recovery. By the way, I just found out that unemployment is also up under Obama's watch for men born in Tuczon between the ages 34 and 39 named Steven.

I can't do this. Sorry, I just can't. I refuse argue fact for fact when you opt to make up shit. You don't know what you are talking about. You're googling for statistics after the fact, focusing only on what you already believe (that's the anchoring heuristic btw) all the while ignoring the bigger picture.

I believe that you believe in what you are writing. You probably are getting all fired up how the liberals here just don't understand how everyone should think and yet it's perfectly clear to you. But that only proves you to be an idiot. Your arguments are pointless and your skills in developing a real argument are are seriously flawed. While you're at GMU, why don't you take a class in logic. It's usually under philosophy but it will teach you how to reason like an adult and draw conclusion from facts and not what Rush Limbaugh said the day before.

I don't think I'm better than everyone else. We're all equal, even you. Which seriously sucks that your uneducated vote counts as much as mine.



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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 08:05PM

Final post: If you want to take credit for me "conceding" the argument, you are welcome to do so. Frankly, I just can't waste my time on this forum with Dumb and Dumber. This isn't fun for me and I have other things to do.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 25, 2012 08:24PM

Stones Wrote:
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> NYC has one of the lowest crime rates in the
> nation!

Its not one of the lowest, its decreasing.

> And your shit about long term unemployment? Look
> at the entirety of the problem. Not just one
> aspect. It takes time for an economic recovery. By
> the way, I just found out that unemployment is
> also up under Obama's watch for men born in Tuczon
> between the ages 34 and 39 named Steven.

99 weeks isnt long enough? You know thats two years. Im glad you think long term unemployment is a joke when the rate is rising and once your unemployed for that long you become unhirable. People will keep hitting that 52 week mark as the year goes on and more people will pass the 99 week safety net.

> I can't do this. Sorry, I just can't. I refuse
> argue fact for fact when you opt to make up shit.
> You don't know what you are talking about. You're
> googling for statistics after the fact, focusing
> only on what you already believe (that's the
> anchoring heuristic btw) all the while ignoring
> the bigger picture.

I am looking at the bigger picture. The bigger picture of the economy is what these numbers show. You are the one whose looking at your own life and nova. I guess hard data is just made up "shit" to you since it doesnt fit in your reality.

> I believe that you believe in what you are
> writing. You probably are getting all fired up how
> the liberals here just don't understand how
> everyone should think and yet it's perfectly clear
> to you. But that only proves you to be an idiot.
> Your arguments are pointless and your skills in
> developing a real argument are are seriously
> flawed. While you're at GMU, why don't you take a
> class in logic. It's usually under philosophy but
> it will teach you how to reason like an adult and
> draw conclusion from facts and not what Rush
> Limbaugh said the day before.

As usual nothing you just said was true. You have no facts to back up your beliefs but you believe it so it must be true. Instead of trying to disprove me you have nothing to go on so you just resort to personal attacks to try and change the subject even though all it does is make you look like the uneducated idiot living in a fantasy land.

> I don't think I'm better than everyone else. We're
> all equal, even you. Which seriously sucks that
> your uneducated vote counts as much as mine.

I take it as a compliment that you think Im uneducated. I would be very concerned if someone who thinks the housing market is doing well and doesnt know what long term unemployment is was praising me for agreeing with them.

You have nothing to back up youre personal believes and you prove it time and time again with your responses, or lack thereof, just resorting to personal attacks as a last ditch effort to save face.

Unlike you I want the country to do well instead of just pretending it is to try and win votes in an election year.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: SillyFuckingBitches ()
Date: February 25, 2012 09:52PM

Obama's policies kept the world economy from a second Great Depression. Bush's policies artificially propped a sick economy for the benefit of his cronies.

Obama enjoys living in DC, dining out, going to ball games and the theater. He vacations like any other American executive.

Bush hated DC, not once in 8 years did he dine out, go to a ball game or the theater. Bush spent 63% of his days as President at either Camp David or Crawford.

I greatly perfer President Obama to President Bush. To think that there might have been a President McSame makes me shutter.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 10:18PM

You are just such a retard. I find it amusing that you use my arguments (lack of evidence, no facts, makes up shit) to argue against me. Why on earth have you wasted my time to have to post this? I'm trying to enjoy my night watching a movie with my wife! Stop being stupid.
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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 10:25PM

Your turn. Please present "long-term" unemployment chart now, please...

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 25, 2012 10:41PM

And by the way, it seems your small mind is not cabable of understanding trends. Trends are more valuable figures than actual numbers. Trends are also algorithmic, not binary, so it makes sense that people who lack intelligence don't understand trends in the context of numbers. So your "facts" don't mean shit to me so long as you fail to show the basic intelligence to understand "the big picture". Stop being stupid or stop opening your mouth and proving to the F/U community that you are stupid.



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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Okay ()
Date: February 26, 2012 12:05AM

Hay Zeus Wrote:
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> Okay Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So what alternatives are you proposing, Zeus
> man?
> > You obviously despise Obama and reject his
> > policies. Should we vote Republican? The tax
> > cutting and deregulation of the last GOP
> > administration certainly didnt end well (it's
> not
> > like Obama caused the recession to occur in the
> > first place). Bush wasn't exactly in touch
> with
> > the common man either, farting around at his
> ranch
> > or prancing off to the Olympics while Rome
> burned.
> > Is there a specific Republican candidate whose
> > proposals are different from either Bush or
> Obama
> > we should turn to, or should we go the third
> party
> > route? Or should we ignore everything that
> > happened prior to January 09, pin everything on
> > O., and hope and pray that Republican economic
> > policy will work this time?
>
> I'm not even a George Bush fan but am compelled to
> defend him because of people like you.
>
> 1) Use natural resources in land owned by the
> federal government (which is really we the people)
> as a source of revenue for the government.
> 2) Flat tax of 10-15% possibly combined with
> national sales tax of 1% that can only be raised
> by a super majority of congress and approved the
> by the president.
> 3) Cap government spending to 20% of GDP
> 4) Reduce the size of the federal government and
> do away with many of the departments including the
> EPA and Dept of Ed.
> 5) Repeal Obamacare, allow Insurance companies to
> sell the same policy across state lines.
> 6) Lower corporate income tax to 20%
> 7) Phase out Social Security


"People like me?" Sorry if I offended you by asking what viable alternative you think we should follow. Or are you upset by my suggestion that Bush was as out of touch with the average man as you claim Obama is? Basically you want to eliminate that last vestiges of the New Deal, cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy, and introduce a more retrogressive tax structure shifting more of the tax burden to the poor and middle class (the national sales tax). I assume then you are a Republican. Should the military also be cut, or is the military somehow not part of the government?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Palm Red ()
Date: February 26, 2012 12:27AM

"Obama's policies kept the world economy from a second Great Depression. Bush's policies artificially propped a sick economy for the benefit of his cronies."

Bush/Greenspan fix created hyperinflation in housing which led to a big bust.
Obama/Bernanke fix creates hyperinflation in everything else which will lead to a big bust.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 26, 2012 01:44AM

Stones Wrote:
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> Your turn. Please present "long-term" unemployment
> chart now, please...


I thought you were done with all of this?

You dont even think long term unemployment is a real statistic your opinions on how to read trends when you dont even know the subject matter means little.

Im glad you fell for a chart that is pretty misleading. What that chart doesnt tell you is how many of those new jobs are part time jobs or seasonal jobs.

Here hes a nice slide show for you with pictures and everything from the same website about long term unemployment.

http://www.businessinsider.com/10-depressing-charts-about-long-term-unemployment-2012-2#your-chances-of-finding-a-job-decreases-about-7-each-month-during-the-first-year-of-unemployment-1

As you can see the long term unemployed are there to stay. Young people arent entering the labor force at a very high rate which would be a true measure of growth. The job growth you are touting is mostly former workers being rehired after layoffs and a lower wage rate and probably at a different job all together.

Until you can figure out what long term unemployment is and realize that growth would include a reduction in this number and young people entering the work force you really should take your advice before and be done with this.
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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Hypocracy is an idiot ()
Date: February 26, 2012 02:05AM

Seriously dude, what's with this long-term unemployment shit? If overall unemployment rates go down, the people who are most employable are getting jobs so the people who are not, are not and the "percentage of long-term unemployed" against the total unemployed is going to go up.

You seriously are a retard! This means nothing in the grand scheme of things and if anything shows that the truly "employable" are getting employed because jobs are being created, hence the percentage of "unemployed" who are "long-term" unemployed is going to go up (the bottom of the barrel, the unemployable, the retards like you).

This is seriously the most retarded argument I've ever seen. I can't believe you actually showed up with all these charts! You've just proven how stupid you actually are. This is the most pointless statistic imaginable! Long-term un-employment is not going up, it's only a comparison of the total population of unemployed! People are getting jobs. It's a percentage of the total employed who are "long-term" un-employed that is going up and that's a good thing you fucking idiot. How embarrasing for you! Wow!

This is a perfect example of how the Republicans manipulate the stupid. I'm sorry, it's actually quite sad. A person can manipulate statistics all they want but if the person is not smart enough to truly understand what the stats and charts mean, they are slaves to the manipulator. This is so embarrassing for you Hypocracy! Wow! All I can say. Wow!

All your charts are a good thing for the economy. They represent job growth. Did you even read the articles that they came with?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Stones ()
Date: February 26, 2012 02:11AM

"Until you can figure out what long term unemployment is and realize that growth would include a reduction in this number and young people entering the work force you really should take your advice before and be done with this."

I have to agree, wow! You have embarassed yourself sir! Job growth would do no sorts. The first sign of job growth would be a skimming off the top of the people who are most employable (who are most likely those who have been out of the job for the least amount of time) and hence your long-term unemployment figures would naturally go up despite an overall growth in jobs. How do you not understand this? These charts were probably used in an article to support job recovery! I agree, this is embarrassing for you.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 26, 2012 02:29AM

Hypocracy is an idiot Wrote:
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> Seriously dude, what's with this long-term
> unemployment shit? If overall unemployment rates
> go down, the people who are most employable are
> getting jobs so the people who are not, are not
> and the "percentage of long-term unemployed"
> against the total unemployed is going to go up.
>
> You seriously are a retard! This means nothing in
> the grand scheme of things and if anything shows
> that the truly "employable" are getting employed
> because jobs are being created, hence the
> percentage of "unemployed" who are "long-term"
> unemployed is going to go up (the bottom of the
> barrel, the unemployable, the retards like you).
>
> This is seriously the most retarded argument I've
> ever seen. I can't believe you actually showed up
> with all these charts! You've just proven how
> stupid you actually are. This is the most
> pointless statistic imaginable! Long-term
> un-employment is not going up, it's only a
> comparison of the total population of unemployed!
> People are getting jobs. It's a percentage of the
> total employed who are "long-term" un-employed
> that is going up and that's a good thing you
> fucking idiot. How embarrasing for you! Wow!
>
> This is a perfect example of how the Republicans
> manipulate the stupid. I'm sorry, it's actually
> quite sad. A person can manipulate statistics all
> they want but if the person is not smart enough to
> truly understand what the stats and charts mean,
> they are slaves to the manipulator. This is so
> embarrassing for you Hypocracy! Wow! All I can
> say. Wow!
>
> All your charts are a good thing for the economy.
> They represent job growth. Did you even read the
> articles that they came with?


You are a genius. Sheer genius. You must just be stones using an annon name to try and support himself. Im glad you think that unemployment is good for the economy. Literally nothing you just said was true.
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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: hypocracy ()
Date: February 26, 2012 02:30AM

Stones Wrote:
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> "Until you can figure out what long term
> unemployment is and realize that growth would
> include a reduction in this number and young
> people entering the work force you really should
> take your advice before and be done with this."
>
> I have to agree, wow! You have embarassed
> yourself sir! Job growth would do no sorts. The
> first sign of job growth would be a skimming off
> the top of the people who are most employable (who
> are most likely those who have been out of the job
> for the least amount of time) and hence your
> long-term unemployment figures would naturally go
> up despite an overall growth in jobs. How do you
> not understand this? These charts were probably
> used in an article to support job recovery! I
> agree, this is embarrassing for you.


You really are hopeless. I linked the article for you and you still cant figure it out. Yea more long term unemployment supports job recovery. You have to just be trolling at this point.

So now your argument is that the people who are most employable and most likely to get a job under any economic circumstances getting hired is indicative of job growth. Thats great logic there.

Dont worry about the fact that more people are becoming unemployable, the workforce is shrinking, people arent getting counted anymore because theyve exceeded the 99 week maximum for unemployment, 50 percent of people unemployed are under the age of 34 where everyone should be working, but dont let facts get in the way of what you want to believe.

Either you are living in a fantasy world, youre trolling, or you really are just absolutely clueless. It takes a special kind of clueless or koolaide drinker to have charts put right in front of you from a web site you initially used and then try and say all of that horrible data about unemployment was probably used to support job recovery.

In order to reach pre-recession job levels, the economy needs to add around 208,000 jobs every month for the gap to close in 12 years.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Pancks(1) ()
Date: February 26, 2012 08:23AM

BHO will be the greatest president of the century because he will assure that another Democrat or another black will not be elected to the presidency for the next 50 years.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: SillyFuckingBitches ()
Date: February 26, 2012 08:36AM

These mouth breathers keep harping on long-term unemployment because it is the sole blotch on our otherwise bright, shiny economic recovery.

They are stricken with Obama Derangement Syndrome and thereby incapable of cheering for the success of America so long as Obama is in the White House.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: I'm no expert... ()
Date: February 26, 2012 09:44AM

but don't those long-term unemployment charts show the trends that the folks were talking about?

It seems to me that the charts show economic recovery and why would it be fair to compare Obama's economic numbers against pre-recession numbers?

I work in the private technology sector and was out of work during the peak of the recession. Work is easier to find now simple as that. I've always voted Republican (all 3 elections I've voted in, haha!) and voted for McCain last time but I do see things getting better, significantly so why would anyone want to mess that up?

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: February 26, 2012 09:46AM

I'm no expert... Wrote:
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> ...I've always voted Republican (all 3 elections I've voted in,
> haha!) and voted for McCain last time but I do see
> things getting better, significantly so why would
> anyone want to mess that up?

A Republican realist is a pariah - you are NOT appreciated by the rank-n-file.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Pancks(1) ()
Date: February 26, 2012 09:53AM

He got elected with virtually no experience and a platform of nothing more than, "Hope and change," simply because he is black. I'm proud to live in a country that is willing to elect a black President, but he ought to be qualified for the job.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: KKK ()
Date: February 26, 2012 10:15AM

Pancks(1) Wrote:
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> BHO will be the greatest president of the century
> because he will assure that another Democrat or
> another black will not be elected to the
> presidency for the next 50 years.


So you're a racist. Figures.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: No expert ()
Date: February 26, 2012 10:31AM

4 more years, II Wrote:
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> I'm no expert... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...I've always voted Republican (all 3 elections
> I've voted in,
> > haha!) and voted for McCain last time but I do
> see
> > things getting better, significantly so why
> would
> > anyone want to mess that up?
>
> A Republican realist is a pariah - you are NOT
> appreciated by the rank-n-file.

Yeah, I know. I don't think I'm a republican but I think I thought I was. My dad was military so I thought I was conservative and just voted Republican before I really followed politics (which I really don't do now but see how Obama must be doing a good job).

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: February 26, 2012 10:44AM

Pancks(1) Wrote:
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> He got elected with virtually no experience...

Indeed...he was just a community organizer before this.

Oh.

Wait.

He was also just a State Senator.

Oh.

Wait.

He was also just a US Senator.

Oh.

Wait.

Now he's been President of the US.

Nope.

No experience at all.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Pancks(1) ()
Date: February 26, 2012 11:01AM

Obama: All of Our Decisions Have Been Correct
This will come back to bite him in the ass.
“I guarantee it’s going to be a close election [in 2012] because the economy is not where it wants to be and, even though I believe all the choices we’ve made have been the right ones, we’re still going through difficult circumstances,” the president said.
Oh, really? So your decision to invest hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars in Solyndra was the right choice? And you administration’s decision to sell assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels, ending in American bloodshed, that was the right choice, too? How about your $820 billion stimulus boondoggle, which you later admitted was a failure? And the decision to order Gimto closed by 2010, when it’s in fact still open today, that was correct too, right?
What about the decision to ram government-run health care down the throats of Americans despite their staunch opposition? That one cost your party control of the House and underlying elements of the law have been ruled unconstitutional by multiple federal courts. But never mind that, how about the CLASS Act, which your own administration admits is a fiscal boondoggle that can’t be implemented?
So apparently the current state of the country is exactly what Barack Obama wanted. I mean, he says he doesn’t regret a single decision over the past few years. And now he’s asking for voters to give him another four years to keep making the same awful decisions. How about “no”.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: sleepy ()
Date: February 26, 2012 11:08AM

Pancks(1) Wrote:
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> He got elected with virtually no experience and a
> platform of nothing more than, "Hope and change,"
> simply because he is black. I'm proud to live in a
> country that is willing to elect a black
> President, but he ought to be qualified for the
> job.

Today, President Obama has three+ years of on-the-job experience (experience no other potential candidate can match) and a platform of economic growth and job creation. I'm proud to live in a country that elects the best man (or woman) for the job. I look forward to President Obama's second term.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Pancks(1) ()
Date: February 26, 2012 11:10AM

Obama wasn’t ready to be a US Senator and he wasn’t ready to be president either.
And because some Americans put stupid white guilt above common sense and thereby elected the most unready of candidates to the office of President of the United States, our economy is at a standstill.
But even more importantly, the country has, under Obama, once again lost a sense of its place and is questioning its historical mission of being the City on a Hill for the rest of the world.
Only 18 percent of Americans now believe that the country is on the right track. The number has never been above 47 percent since Obama took office. The country reached its feel good moment at the six-month mark of the Democrat takeover of Congress, and it’s been downhill for Obama ever since. He now faces an 18 precent gap between those who strongly approve of his performance versus those who strongly disapprove according to Rasmussen.

The last time the world was this demoralized, was the last time a Democrat president let things drift because he had no idea how to be president of the United States.
Obama has been lately reprising that president’s “malaise” speech, calling Americans "lazy" and generally bemoaning the country’s lack of direction.
The guy who couldn’t find his way to Congress even if a cruise missile was strapped to his backside recently sympathized with the one-tenth percent of Americans whom Occupy Wall Street think they represent, saying "A lot of the folks who’ve been down in New York and all across the country in the Occupy movement,” says Obama, “there is a profound sense of frustration, a profound sense of frustration about the fact that the essence of the American Dream… feels like it’s slipping away.”
Bravo, Mr. Obama. Terrific job acting like Occupy Wall Street has anything to do with the American Dream. Terrific job pretending like you even understand what the American Dream is about. Spoken like a true, leftist community organizer.
If the American Dream is slipping away, though, the only replacement Obama has offered the country is the lush verbiage from the book Dreams from My Father, a mish-mash of circular logic, an American Oblomov superfluous, inert and self-absorbed- the inverse actually of the American Dream.
“Congress needs to pass the rest of my American Jobs Act,” said Obama, after Dems and the GOP passed modest legislation aimed at making it easier to hire veterans, “so that we can create jobs and put money in the pockets of the middle class.”
But Obama’s words belie the real trouble with him: He doesn’t really have a Jobs Act. He doesn’t have a budget, a foreign policy, an energy policy, an immigration policy. Instead he only acts like he has some of these.
He’s the incomplete genesis of a community organizer.
But reading words on cue cards prepared by others isn’t a substitute for having a policy; it isn’t the same thing as being president of the United States.
Complicating things for Obama is the dilemma that is that he has never really decided in life who he really is.
Thomas Aquinas once raised the issue of choosing between a proud man and a pusillanimous one,” Take the proud one every time, he advised, because you will be sure that he will at least do something.”
Perhaps it’s time for someone to ask the relevant question: Does the life of a community organizer, which is necessarily a parochial endeavor, adequately prepare someone for the job of leading the nation?
At least in the case of Obama, one would have to say no; not because of policy, not because of ideology, not because of point of view, but rather on account of inadequate preparation. When the history of the Obama administration is written, I predict, Americans will be appalled by the pusillanimity of the man once anointed the One.
But that’s not all.
Because, he not only lacks the skills, but he also lacks the conviction to be president of the United States.
A man with conviction would be either for or against Occupy Wall Street- or banks or illegal immigrants, etc- not both for and against them at the same time.
That’s what happens when a community organizer wars with the president of the United States, wholly in the person of himself.
It makes for great drama, great acting.
But it makes for the poorest possible history.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Idiots ()
Date: February 26, 2012 11:21AM

hypocrisy Wrote:
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>
> Theres a HUGE difference. Republicans arent
> demonizing money, Obama is.

That is Fox News propaganda. If you are so gullible to believe that taxing the richest 1% about two percent more on income in excess of $250,000/$500,00/$1,000,000 is a punishment, then sign me up because I would like to be a masochist.


Youve also obviously
> never lived in AZ or CA. Illegal immigration is
> killing their states. Even Dems there are for
> their illegal bills, its the rest of the country
> that doesnt have to deal with their problems that
> against it.

Look at the numbers. Obama has increased border security and has deported more illegals at a pace that would make even Chris Plante blush if he actually knew it.

And if you want to try and take cheap
> shots its the Dems who dont care about Minorities,
> they want them to stay on government money instead
> of trying to train them and better them to be part
> of the work force so they can keep them in their
> voting base.

Fear mongering with no actual basis in fact.

> Your last line was just beyond a stupid comment.
> Let me go out there and overrule the president and
> change the world, yea ill get right on that. So
> when someone is critical of the hypocrisy of Obama
> its bitching, but when Occupy Wallstreet is out
> demanding things for free doing drugs and raping
> each other you support it as a civil rights
> movement.

And this line is just stupid.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: sleepy ()
Date: February 26, 2012 11:32AM

Pancks(1) Wrote:
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> Obama wasn’t ready to be a US Senator and he
> wasn’t ready to be president either.

Sure he was.

> And because some Americans put stupid white guilt
> above common sense

Don't forget the impact of McSame as his opponent.

> But even more importantly, the country has, under
> Obama, once again lost a sense of its place and is
> questioning its historical mission of being the
> City on a Hill for the rest of the world.

Says who? I don't feel that way at all.

> Only 18 percent of Americans now believe that the
> country is on the right track. The number has
> never been above 47 percent since Obama took
> office.

Which has a great deal to do with the obstructionist GOP-controlled House.

> He now faces an 18 precent gap between
> those who strongly approve of his performance
> versus those who strongly disapprove according to
> Rasmussen.

That'll happen when you're constantly vilified, even while you are succeeding at your job.

> The last time the world was this demoralized

Oh, so now the US President is responsible for world morale? What a crock of shit!

> Obama has been lately reprising that president’s
> “malaise” speech, calling Americans "lazy" and
> generally bemoaning the country’s lack of
> direction.

Nice attempt at a re-write. Obama called US business leader s lazy in their dearth international business efforts. Got a quote where the President is; " generally bemoaning the country’s lack of direction"?

> "A lot of the folks who’ve been down in New York and all across the
> country in the Occupy movement,” says Obama, “there is a profound
> sense of frustration, a profound sense of frustration about the fact that
> the essence of the American Dream… feels like it’s slipping away.”

I absolutely agree!

> “Congress needs to pass the rest of my American
> Jobs Act,” said Obama, after Dems and the GOP
> passed modest legislation aimed at making it
> easier to hire veterans, “so that we can create
> jobs and put money in the pockets of the middle
> class.”

Bravo, Mr. President!

> [President Obama] doesn’t have a budget, a foreign policy, an
> energy policy, an immigration policy.

Lies, all lies. President Obama submitted his budget to Congress week-before-last; his foreign policy has been a resounding success and he's kept America safe; President Obama has made the US a net oil exporter; and more illegal immigrants have been deported under President Obama than any other US President in history.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: election ()
Date: February 26, 2012 11:41AM

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

Best possible outcome at this point: Obama gets re-elected, House stays repub and senate turns repub Divided government = no harm no foul

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: sleepy ()
Date: February 26, 2012 11:57AM

election Wrote:
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> Best possible outcome at this point: Obama gets
> re-elected, House stays repub and senate turns
> repub Divided government = no harm no foul

No, best possible outcome at this point is also the most likely: President Obama gets re-elected, with Democrats regaining a majority in the House and maintaining control of the Senate.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Poppin' Jay Fox ()
Date: February 26, 2012 03:38PM

No expert Wrote:
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> 4 more years, II Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm no expert... Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > ...I've always voted Republican (all 3
> elections
> > I've voted in,
> > > haha!) and voted for McCain last time but I
> do
> > see
> > > things getting better, significantly so why
> > would
> > > anyone want to mess that up?
> >
> > A Republican realist is a pariah - you are NOT
> > appreciated by the rank-n-file.
>
> Yeah, I know. I don't think I'm a republican but I
> think I thought I was. My dad was military so I
> thought I was conservative and just voted
> Republican before I really followed politics
> (which I really don't do now but see how Obama
> must be doing a good job).

You're right, you aren't following along. Odumbo is spending $1.3 - $1.8 Trillion more every year than we're taking in. He's artifically pumping up this economy to try and make it to Nov. If you're younger than 50, you're going to take it up the poop shoot to pay for this. You'll get no SS, no Medicare, you'll be working till your 70 - 75 y.o. and you'll be living in the old Soviet Union - a second rate economic country with a once-great military. Listen to your dad. He served this country and knows that freedom isn't free. The minute you start agreeing to the commies on this board, you're screwed.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Ding an sich ()
Date: February 26, 2012 05:02PM

Thread title is retarded.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Oki Ashi ()
Date: February 26, 2012 05:09PM

I'm more Hopeful that the rest of the Country is waking up to the fact that this POTUS isn't interested in anyone but Himself and the Cronies that He has made Rich.
There isn't anything covered that won't be uncovered, The New Media is reporting everything that the dinosaurs refuse to report. Drudge,Breitbart ,Savage, and Conservative Radio is His undoing.
1. 500,000,000 to Solarlandra Bankrupt
2. GM Chevy Volt all recalled costs unknown
3.Fast and Furious 300 dead Mexicans and a Border Agent Dead -Eric Holders Baby
4. Rising Costs of Food at least 10% inflation probably more.
5. Gasoline $4.00 per Gallon

6. Healthcare Costs have quadrupled and Never before shortages of basic drugs and Cancer Drugs
7. Collapse of the Housing Market ravaged and completely broken 10% of houses sit empty
8. True unemployment figures 12% probably closer to 20%
9. More men are unemployed than ever before in American History
10. Food stamp President

I don't believe that he will be Re-elected if the Message is Clear and Republicans-quit listening to Progressives and we are the Party with values, and Freedom.

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Re: Obamas are out of Touch with Regular American
Posted by: Oki Shi ()
Date: February 26, 2012 05:12PM

You are really too stupid to even know how stupid you are.

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