If it was a political party, you would probably be closed down!

* If they don't like you, they just cut your head off!

* Certain groups of people (women) are given no rights!

* Women are not allowed to vote!!

* Women are not allowed to be educated!!

* Women are put at the back of the bus

* If you don't convert, you are killed!!

* The hate for Jews and Infidels (yes you and me)!!!!

The only thing missing is the white sheet!!

The KKK hates Muslims though, so you lose

thanks for playing "race wars- the online experience"

just wondering where your source of this info is. i reserve judgement until i see something factual, not just hearsay. ive heard this issue disputed... so some reference would be nice.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I don't understand why there is such a hatred towards the White Gangs. Call them KKK or whatever, it still boils down to being a white gang similar to the Latino and Black gangs. All of them are full of hatred of some sort.

PaperPusher Wrote:
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> I don't understand why there is such a hatred
> towards the White Gangs. Call them KKK or
> whatever, it still boils down to being a white
> gang similar to the Latino and Black gangs. All
> of them are full of hatred of some sort.


Paperpusher, have you seen all the posts about other gangs in the area, no one around here has been soft on gangs of any kind.

I suppose I want equal billing. We white guys deserve to have our own gangs. I just finished watching the "Black Movie Awards" or something like that. Why can't there be a "White Movie Awards" show or a "white history month"? When folks self-categorize themselves, doesn't that lead to further racism and segregation? If so, then why do the black leaders allow any "Black this or that"?

US Citizen + White + Male + Straight + Christian (or whatever) = not a protected class of citizen.

Flame Wrote:
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> If it was a political party, you would probably be
> closed down!
>
> * If they don't like you, they just cut your head
> off!
>
> * Certain groups of people (women) are given no
> rights!
>
> * Women are not allowed to vote!!
>
> * Women are not allowed to be educated!!
>
> * Women are put at the back of the bus
>
> * If you don't convert, you are killed!!
>
> * The hate for Jews and Infidels (yes you and
> me)!!!!
>
> The only thing missing is the white sheet!!


I think that you are making the common mistake of confusing religion with culture.

Islam is the second largest religion in the world (following Christianity) and has 1.3 billion followers http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html. BILLION. Do you realize how many people that is? You are taking select negative acts from various cultures and imposing them upon the 1.3 billion people who follow the religion.

Furthermore, majority of the things you've listed I'm relatively sure you pulled out of your ass. As someone mentioned previously, you need to provide some relevant sources to back up your claims, since sources for countering your claims are readily available.

Please answer the questions listed in the other post

I didn't see any questions that really warranted answers, but I responded nonetheless.

SRE Wrote:
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> US Citizen + White + Male + Straight + Christian
> (or whatever) = not a protected class of citizen.

it's so true. im still waiting for white history month and the white movie awards.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I suppose it is fair because snow is white and it comes from the heavens. I feel better knowing white comes from the heavens.

A KKK/Islam hybrid would be an unstoppable force of hate.....if only there was a away.

Gravis Wrote:
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> it's so true. im still waiting for white history
> month and the white movie awards.

The US has plenty of whites-only holidays already. President's day is white-males only. Columbus Day celebrates the destruction of a non-white race by whites. Thanksgiving is in rememberence of the white Pilgrims.

Plus the system benefits WASPs, so every day is a white holiday.

pgens words are spoken by a true non-white. Benefits of WASPism? Nonexistant in my white male world. Every holiday you mentioned is a holiday celebrated by everyone. Thanksgiving is in remembrance of a great harvest. Everyone benefits from those holidays.

No, actually I am white. I simply see that WASPs are an advantaged class and I don't mind having holidays or dedicated months or whatever that celebrate acomplishments of non-whites. And YOU benefit from non-white holidays as well if you happen to work for a company/organization that gives MLK day off like the Feds do. YOU benefit from Christmas Day off (as well as all of the holiday sale prices) if you happen to not by a Chirstian. YOU benefit from Veteran's Day sales as well as the day off if you happen to get it as a holiday. I'm all for more days off and more holidays!

pgens Wrote:
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> No, actually I am white. I simply see that WASPs
> are an advantaged class and I don't mind having
> holidays or dedicated months or whatever that
> celebrate acomplishments of non-whites.

Do you even know what WASP means?

wtf does WASP mean?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

white anglo-saxon protestant aka average american white man

hey look, a WASP Wiki. Gotta love the information age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASP

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> white anglo-saxon protestant aka average american
> white man


Then why not just say "the man" to show how ignorant you are, instead of masking it with an acronym. I'm neither Anglo-Saxon nor Protestant, but according to Pgens my whole life is easy because of the pigment of my skin.

If only.

ben,

it's a common acronym and has been around for as long as I can remember. BUT agree with you that pigment hasn't made my life simpler although I fit the WASP category. I still struggle like most folks.

White Males -

We
Always
Seem
Perfect

well yeah!

ben Wrote:
> Then why not just say "the man" to show how
> ignorant you are, instead of masking it with an
> acronym. I'm neither Anglo-Saxon nor Protestant,
> but according to Pgens my whole life is easy
> because of the pigment of my skin.

Wow, what a brilliant interpretation of what I wrote. Under occupation on your census form I guess you checked off "clown."

you say he is ignorant but at least he knows what "WASP" means.

I can't believe nobody knows what the words that they use mean.

White
Anglo-Saxon - of English descent
Protestant - "a movement within Christianity, representing a split from within the Roman Catholic Church during the mid-to-late Renaissance in Europe —a period known as the Protestant Reformation." (Wikipedia)

A WASP is a very specific, upper-crust, old money, religious, stodgy kind of white person. It does not and has not ever meant "average white American."

Has nobody here ever heard of the "Protestant work ethic" and how it helped form the attitudes of this country?

From Wikipedia:

"WASP (an acronym for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) is a term that denotes the culture, customs, and heritage of the American élite Establishment. The term was first popularized 1 by E. Digby Baltzell in his 1964 book The Protestant Establishment: Aristocracy & Caste in America. It originally included members of the U.S. Protestant upper class: the descendants of colonial-era immigrants from the British Isles—especially England, Wales and Scotland (irrespective of the fact that Scots and Welsh people are Celts, not descendants of Angles and Saxons) —who belonged to the Presbyterian, Congregationalist, and Episcopalian (Anglican) denominations of Protestantism.

"The original WASP élite had an ironclad hold on the social structure of the United States since the early 1800s. Legacy admission to prep schools and Ivy League universities taught habit and attitude and formed connections which carried over to the influential spheres of finance, culture, and politics. Intermarriage preserved large inherited fortunes. Diversions such as polo and yachting marked those with sufficient wealth and leisure to pursue them. Social registers and society pages listed the privileged, who mingled in the same private clubs, attended the same churches, and lived in neighborhoods—Philadelphia's Main Line and Boston's Back Bay are two notable examples—governed by covenants designed to separate the well-bred from the merely wealthy. As the 19th century progressed, WASP enclaves sprung up in the Midwest and West, in places like Grand Rapids, Michigan and Pasadena, California, spreading the practices and perspectives of the group beyond their traditional redoubts."

I for one knew the entire time I was talking about other race's perceptions, that all white men fall into the WASP elitist category. Get over yourself, you fucking WASP-wannabe.

he wishes he was a WASP. Maybe that explains the hatred we see around the world. GET A LIFE without your foul language. Stop making excuses and look in the mirror!~!

pgens Wrote:
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> The US has plenty of whites-only holidays already.
> President's day is white-males only. Columbus
> Day celebrates the destruction of a non-white race
> by whites. Thanksgiving is in rememberence of the
> white Pilgrims.
>
> Plus the system benefits WASPs, so every day is a
> white holiday.

what you have said is bullshit. i can appreaciate something with substance but this is flat out shit. last tim i checked, everyone gets the President's Day specials and if you get the day off, it's not because you are white. thanksgiving was not remembering the pilgrims, the was remembering both the Pre-America Natives (aka "Indians") and the pilgrams sharing a day of feast TOGETHER. Columbus Day, he was from SPAIN! you are so fucking wrong. my life isnt easy... in fact it's harder in many aspects because minorities are given so much because they are minorities. so, shutup unless you have a valid statement.


> I don't mind having holidays or dedicated months or
> whatever that celebrate acomplishments of non-whites.

i dont mind it either but the fact that their is nothing for whites is discrimination. it's fucking bullshit and if you dont see that, you are as ignorant as you imply everyone else is.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> i dont mind it either but the fact that their is
> nothing for whites is discrimination. it's
> fucking bullshit and if you dont see that, you are
> as ignorant as you imply everyone else is.

I don't recall saying anyone was ignorant, only that the system favors whites in general. If you have individually been wronged by some affirmative action event then you are right, it ain't fair. But whites as a group in the United States are not disadvantaged and to say otherwise is simply foolish.

pgens,
  i said you were implying people were ignorant, not actually outright saying it but perhaps that is unfair to say. in anycase, i have not been able to get a scholarship for being a white person going to college. that right there is crap on part that it is that way for other minorities. the high emphasis of exclusive race events and other things (ie: Black Entertainment Television... try that with White in place) just pisses me off. i feel that if we are to be a "colorblind society" then this bullshit needs to go as this DEFINATELY does not count as equality. additionally, if a black person calls a white person a "cracker" it is not a big deal but if a white person calls a black person a "niger" it's off with your head. im not saying i want to go around calling black people nigers but it's a double standard that is evil. "affirmative action" needs to stop with the newer generations(which are old at this point) if we are to be equals in society. it seems those crying racism are the racists.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

We all know that Jesus, Santa Claus, Mother Mary, the Pope and the Easter Bunny are all white. I want a piece of that easy life I'm entitled to according to those who say I'm one of the "favored" ones.

affirmative action admits have a higher predisposition to succeed.

I saw it on the West Wing so it must be true.

Dammit, if I'm not going to be able to take full advantage of my whiteness, I want an exchange!

You don't need an exchange, you need an upgrade.

Join the Aryan Brotherhood.

How would that benefit me? I'm not German. Wasn't that the premise for Hitler and his boys?

Overall, I'm against affirmative action and race specific awards/holidays/shows.

For me, it all comes down to two things. First, I don't want people thinking that I got a job or a promotion because I'm female. I want to know I earned it. That applies to college admissions as well. Second, I think that having separate awards just reinforces the idea that we aren't all equal.

That being said, there are two reasons that I am hesitant to completely bash affirmative action. I believe that a mixed atmosphere in schools/offices is important. I'm not sure that affirmative action is necessary to obtain this variety, but I'm also not a specialist in this field. But more importantly, not everyone is given an equal chance in life.

Therefore, I would prefer that more money be spent on improving schools in impoverished areas and introducing programs to help increase parental involvement in said areas. I can't guarantee it would help, but it seems like a much more fair plan for leveling the playing ground than affirmative action. Of course, this would take time...

When affirmative action creates benefits for a particular group, or when holidays/benefits/memberships are granted to a particular group exclusively then anamosity is certain to strain relationships by those who aren't of that group. As a white guy, I'm privy to no special groups. There are those who will say that I am of the exclusive white race and benefits to me are unseen and unspoken but I have yet to see how it has benefited me. I've struggled for any and everything I've ever gotten and have struggled through school as well. I was (and am) offered no special grants just because I was born a particular way. On the other hand, people born any other race/sex are offered special treatment.

I know it's not a popular opinion amongst my fellow white conservative brethren, but some races have been fucked with far more than others, historically speaking, and this treatment I speak of was so shameful and destructive that the effects linger today. Treatment so awful that people alive today derived from those that committed the atrocities are ashamed to speak of an ancestral affiliation with them, in some cases as many as 6 generations later. You know you did some sorry shit when your great-great-great-great grandchildren won't even speak of it for shame.

So to those who still feel the radiation from the blast, we should offer some small token ways to accelerate success if they are willing to try to achieve it. Because we're here now, the effects of all those things haven't completely gone away, and we should at least try to make amends.

Ted Schlamme,
  what the hell are you talking about? you say "[y]ou know you did some sorry shit when your great-great-great-great grandchildren won't even speak of it for shame," but i have done NOTHING to any race. if we keep hanging on to the past, we only bring up feeling of anger. the thing is that we HAVE changed to the anger is unjust. so making amends to generations that have only read about it, is fucking retarded. you also mentioned that it ".. was so shameful and destructive that the effects linger today," but i ask you, what effects?! you are being melodramatic. at this rate, i might as well demand the british give all Protestant Christians reparations for their oppression. do you see that happening? of coarse you dont and there is a plain simple reason for such, you can see race but not religion. talk about bullshit. the simple fact is that we must move on lest we dwell on what was rather than what will be.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I say that you're essentially correct, but since the events I was referring to keep having lasting effects into today and into the future, we need to accept this and move to make it right. I'm not talking reparations so chill out Gravis, you always come to the table looking to fight. I'd say you're bound for divorce but who would marry you?

The real issue here is equal opportunity. I don't really care about what my ggggggggrandparents did - that's not my deal and I had zero to do with it. However I am affected by the here an now which has me pitted as the underdog because I'm not privy to being one of the government charity cases. Thing is, I don't want to be a government charity case NOR do I want anyone else to be. Everyone should be able to compete based on their own credentials or merit without being propped up by some protectionist law.

I said that in a roundabout way. I wasn't (really) saying we have to feel responsible for what our ancestors did, but gotta recognize that that shit has lingering effects today and we have to do something to deal with them...affirmative action-like policies are a situation where the outcome can outweigh the inconvenience if the action is applied to people who may actually succeed, and most people seeking to go to college meet that requirement, so I think it is a situation where we can slip in some help for this race or that that has been affected so deeply by historical atrocities. Outright reparations, on the other hand, would have to be given out equally to everyone who got begat and that means a lot of trash would have sudden wealth they wouldn't handle correctly.

I'm also trying to say these are the only people should get this treatment and we shouldn't do it forever. We should try to set a bar that says things have been made reasonably fair.

I'm not trying to take away people lifting themselves up by their bootstraps. Minorties who were not historically greatly wronged by the US shouldn't have this assistance just because they may be more poor as a group...

But, my idea is crap and I know it, there's a whole logistical issue of deciding who fits into the category deserving action.

I was trying to be louis farrakhan before, and well it just doesn't read very evenly.

Problem with shutting off the faucet to those receiving the benefit of "affirmative action" is that you can NEVER do it! Same with the welfare system ... once someone is in the system, they do whatever it takes to keep getting benefits and dig forever to milk the system for more. You can NEVER stop it. In today's environment, people seek to find ways to fit into this or that category for the sheer purpose of getting their slice of the pie. It's just a matter of time before all the illegal immigrants initiate a union and sue for their mistreatment (hard work at reduced pay). As usual, the government will bend and fit these people into their own category - complete with free college, guaranteed this or that and a welcome wagon to the welfare system. Seems that the only people who cannot fit into a category is the white male. He is deemed the priviledged one and shouldn't need for anything.

PaperPusher Wrote:
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> Problem with shutting off the faucet to those
> receiving the benefit of "affirmative action" is
> that you can NEVER do it! Same with the welfare
> system ... once someone is in the system, they do
> whatever it takes to keep getting benefits and dig
> forever to milk the system for more. You can
> NEVER stop it.

PaperPusher Wrote:
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> Problem with shutting off the faucet to those
> receiving the benefit of "affirmative action" is
> that you can NEVER do it! Same with the welfare
> system ... once someone is in the system, they do
> whatever it takes to keep getting benefits and dig
> forever to milk the system for more. You can
> NEVER stop it.

Sorry, please review recent (1990's) history. A component of the Republican Party's "Contract With America" was welfare reform that Clinton ended up signing into law. Since the bill's passage in 1996 people can't receive welfare benefits for more than five years, plus other reforms.

from http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html:

"3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility."

The result was the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996", info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_reform

I'm well aware of this "reform" but also well aware that it is failing miserably for those already on welfare. Like I said, those already on welfare have found ways around the system and are still extending benefits beyond the 5 year limit. Notice that EVERY bill of this sort places the so called "end date" to well beyond the limits of the politician's tenure? I'd be willing to bet anything that 95% or more of those on welfare in 1996 are still receiving some sort of public assistance today, bar death or the like. I don't have the stats on it and may be just spouting off at the mouth but reality is reality. In the words of nearly every NBA player out there, "it is what it is" (whatever that means).

You are just spouting at the mouth until you produce some hard numbers... so please, make my day

Although I would believe damn near anything you produce

I looked up some straight welfare statistics at http://www.acf.hhs.gov/news/stats/newstat2.shtml. What isn't included is the government funded (meaningless) jobs to simulate recipients' earning their way. Still welfare in my mind.

awesome leg work PP

I'll now have the safety net of statistics to cushion me as I ridicule minorities.

Glad to be of service. Now I just have to research how to keep the top of my pointy hat out of overhead light sockets.

Ted Schlamme Wrote:
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> I said that in a roundabout way. I wasn't
> (really) saying we have to feel responsible for
> what our ancestors did, but gotta recognize that
> that shit has lingering effects today and we have
> to do something to deal with them...

tell me this: what are the lingering effects and why do WE "have to do something to deal with them" seriously, this isnt my fault and i dont believe that what was done was right. so tell me, why should the current generations have anything to do with this bullshit?! i really want to know what these so called lingering effects are.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

you must be living in a cave not to see that black minorities are still struggling to reach the same level of, well, everything, as a general population, as whites in this country. But you can choose not to believe it and my opinion of you won't change, I already knew you were a racist...

and I believe I am not saying anything about "blame", so learn how to read... I am talking about a problem right in front of our faces right now, that needs to be solved. Blame game won't do that.

You've got to be kidding. Some struggle in the urban areas but there are hoards of white people struggling in poverty in rural communities. Opportunity is there for both and both can work themselves out of poverty without government handouts. Thing is, the blacks would be offered more assistance than the whites simply by virtue of the laws.

If people would only take my eugenics idea seriously, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But yeah, I been all around the country and I have seen far more hopelessness in black areas. So I believe what I believe.

Oddly enough I do tend to agree blacks are lazier and genetically less intelligent.

Ted Schlamme Wrote:
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> Oddly enough I do tend to agree blacks are lazier
> and genetically less intelligent.


I'm a racist? Take a good look in the mirror.



"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I think everyone is a bit racist in varying degrees. Some of us even admit it. Is it considered racist to state the facts as we know them OR to have an opinion at all about race? and the answer is ... YES, if you're white!

I completely agree with Genevieve. Having Black History Month and Black award shows creates more racism. They are trying to segregate themselves which is the same thing they are always complaining about. If you don't like the USA get the freak out, no one is forcing you to live. Also, Affirmative action screws non-racist white guys like me who haven't killed Indians or owned any slaves. Why the heck should minorities and females get better treatment. I thought democracry ment that the majority got their way not the freaking minorities. If good old George Washington and Abe Lincoln were still around they would be kicking some serious ass. If minorities get favored it should be the good minorities like combat vets, policmen, firemen, in general people who love America.

To answer the question about Islam it is a religion based on hate. Now in school kids are being taught by the liberals that Muslims are so nice becuase way back in the 7th century when they were conquering people they supposedly let them have religous freedom. This is bullcrap it isn't what America considers religous freedom it was you can practice limited Christianity if you pay them enough. The same is true today they go around killing anyone who isn't a Sunni Muslim. Look at the hotel attacks in Jordan the bastards attacked a Muslim wedding. How much of a dumbfreak can you be to kill the people who support you. Not only are they hateful they ignorant.

Also, Black people are lazier. They refuse to work and want the goverment to help them. Look at what happened after Katrina. They started stealing plasma screens TVs saying they had to feed their kids and they shot at the police. In my opinion after that crap the remainder of New Orleans should have been bombed to the ground.

Just a warning, USA_Rules, agreeing with Genevieve can get expensive. I agreed with her several times today to the tune of more than few $$$$.

And by the way, the plasma from those TV's is delicious, can you blame them for wanting to feed it to their kids?

Usually I'm just glad to have someone agree with me. But I am getting the feeling that "non-racist" USA_RULES is racist.

Oh, and CANADA RULES! Canada gets to do everything bad that the US does, but the US gets to take all the blame. It is beautiful. Then again, Canada did start fighting in WWII about 2 years before the US. And they skipped that whole Vietnam thing. And they don't think they rule the world. Maybe there is a reason the world likes Canada better.

And REston Peace- those shoes were on sale I swear! Now, the boots weren't, but you have to admit they are awfully cute!

i remember when we accidently bombed the first troops sent from canada into iraq. clearly no coverage within the US to make us look bad. there was a big fuss because we basically said "it was not our intention to bomb your troops" and they were like "are you at least going to say you are sorry?!" "no."


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

those poor canadian army troops, they never stood a chance, fighting bombs with bows and arrows...

ha! that's priceless.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Flame Wrote:
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> If it was a political party, you would probably be
> closed down!
>
> * If they don't like you, they just cut your head
> off!
>
> * Certain groups of people (women) are given no
> rights!
>
> * Women are not allowed to vote!!
>
> * Women are not allowed to be educated!!
>
> * Women are put at the back of the bus
>
> * If you don't convert, you are killed!!
>
> * The hate for Jews and Infidels (yes you and
> me)!!!!
>
> The only thing missing is the white sheet!!


let's discuss this further.