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Real ID the difffrent Presidential Responses and what you can do ablout it
Posted by:
Rod
()
Date: February 15, 2008 09:10PM
I thought I would repost this here for clarity
Here's what the other Presidential candidates say about it. All of them except McCain oppose it (and McCain acknowledges the funding problem)http://www.realnightmare.org/about/112/:
Rep. Ron Paul (Republican)
"I do not support any Real ID program, and I would seek the repeal of all federal laws mandating a Real ID program. The Real ID Act imposes tremendous costs on state governments, yet any state that opts out will automatically make nonpersons out of its citizens.
"The citizens of that state will be unable to have any dealings with the federal government because their ID will not be accepted. They will not be able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the eyes of the federal government, they will cease to exist.
"However, the most objectionable feature of the Real ID Act is that it turns state driver's licenses into de facto national ID cards, thus facilitating the massive invasion of an American's privacy, facilitating the growth of the surveillance state, and turning America into the type of country where citizens must always have their 'papers in order.'"
Mike Huckabee (Republican)
"...Real ID, that's a huge mistake. It's putting a burden on a state that should not be the state's function, which is to provide the frontline of national security defense at the hands of a DMV worker at a state office. That's absurd. And then not funding it. That's a real problem. If you're going to have federal program then the feds ought to pay for it."
Sen. Barak Obama (Democrat)
"I do not support the Real ID program because it is an unfunded mandate, and not enough work has been done with the states to help them implement the program."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
"I believe we need to seriously re-examine Real ID and make changes that take into account legitimate concerns raised by states. I have long expressed concern with the Real ID Act, dating back to its initial consideration in the Senate in the spring of 2005.
"Had there been an opportunity to properly consider this legislation, it would have been revealed that the Real ID Act imposes dramatic new burdens on our states and substantially changes our immigration and asylum laws in ways that deserve critical examination.
"Among other things, Real ID's driver's license provisions impose a massive unfunded mandate on states, while ignoring our broken immigration system.
"But there never was an opportunity to consider it properly. Senate Republicans brought this legislation up for a vote without holding hearings or engaging in serious debate, and by tacking it on to an emergency spending bill for our troops. By employing these tactics, Republicans revealed that they were determined to bulldoze this law through without serious discussion.
"I support a comprehensive review of Real ID to determine whether its various ID provisions make sense in light of our very real security needs and the challenges facing our states."
John Edwards (Democrat)
"Real ID is a big step toward a national ID card, and it will open the door to government invasions of privacy and to identity theft. I support setting rigorous state standards for ID cards to keep terrorists and criminals from getting false identification. However, we need a system that protects the privacy of regular Americans and doesn't cost states $11 billion."
Sen. John McCain (Republican)
"The 9/11 Commission recommended that the federal government set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification, such as driver's licenses. Consistent with these recommendations, the Real ID act established federal guidelines to prevent fraud in the issuance and acquisition of identity documents. I support full implementation of Real ID but understand that states need to be given enough time and funding to implement the requirements."
According to a national survey by the National Governor's Association, American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, and the National Conference of State Legislatures, Real ID is going to require an estimated 245 million Americans who currently use driver's licenses or identification cards to reapply in person for the National ID Card, more than doubling the amount of people who will be at the DMV each year as well as the duration of each person's transaction. To be able to handle these burdens more staff will be hired and the hours of operation will be extended. This alone is going to cost the states $8.5 billion dollars. The process itself includes the verification of each document you provide with the issuing agency. The DMV's time and effort is on our bill, on top of our own time and effort of going through this process.
Currently, Homeland Security is saying the minimum standard for the National ID Card will only include a barcode. However the Real ID Act states the standard is "a common machine readable technology." A less known but still common machine readable technology is Radio Frequency Identification chips [www.youtube.com]. With RFID, information can be read and written from a distance. RFID is already being used in passports to store information [www.google.com]. It can include GPS tracking technology as is used in embedded microchips for pets and livestock. Bars and clubs have started using embedded RFID technology in customers so they can pay their bar tabs without a credit card or wallet. Embedded microchips storing medical information have been used for a few years. Several schools across the country are considering implementing RFID technology in backpacks to track when students get on and off buses, or just ID cards with GPS technology [www.google.com].
The technology to locate and automate storing infromation about you on a microchip on your ID card is there, and the Real ID Act allows its use, as well as the storage of any information which can be stored. Once this technology is implemented (we will likely pay for it's implementation), it won't cost a thing.
The change from a modest beginning to something much more invasive is called "mission creep." The income tax's original purpose was supposed to tax the rich, with a rate of 1%. Today income tax rates are nearing 40%. The Social Security number was supposed to be an insurance policy, yet we need to use it whenever we apply for a job or bank account (or National ID). The Real ID Act sets a precedent that they can store information about you and if you refuse you cannot do anything that is on the list composed by the Department of Homeland Security (which is also subject to change).
ALL of this is pinpointed on the immigration problem. Just like the USA PATRIOT Act, Military Commissions Act, and even the Iraq War was pinpointed on September 11th.
Freedoms are endowed by our creator, but they are not guaranteed. Our legislators represent us, which means we only have the freedoms we're willing to defend.
The Virginia Generaly Assembly (comparable to our state's congress) ends on March 8th, which is a little over three weeks away.
Currently the legislation is stuck in the Senate Transportation Committee. Contact your legislators:
“I Reject the Federal Real ID Act”
“I support Senate Bill 492, please vote to pass Senator Hanger’s Bill!”
All Area codes (804)
Transportation Committee members:
Miller, Yvonne B. - Chairwoman - (804)698-7505
Houck, R. Edward 698-7517
Marsh, Henry L. III 698-7516
Newman, Stephen D. 698-7523
Watkins, John 698-7510
Puckett, Phillip P. 698-7538
Wagner, Frank 698-7507
Blevins, Harry 698-7514
Deeds, R. Creigh 698-7525
McDougle, Ryan T. 698-7504
Ticer, Patricia 698-7530
Cuccinelli, Ken II 698-7537
Petersen, Chap 698-7534
Smith, Ralph K. 698-7522
Miller, John C. 698-7501
Your representatives: [conview.state.va.us]
Here's what the other Presidential candidates say about it. All of them except McCain oppose it (and McCain acknowledges the funding problem)http://www.realnightmare.org/about/112/:
Rep. Ron Paul (Republican)
"I do not support any Real ID program, and I would seek the repeal of all federal laws mandating a Real ID program. The Real ID Act imposes tremendous costs on state governments, yet any state that opts out will automatically make nonpersons out of its citizens.
"The citizens of that state will be unable to have any dealings with the federal government because their ID will not be accepted. They will not be able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the eyes of the federal government, they will cease to exist.
"However, the most objectionable feature of the Real ID Act is that it turns state driver's licenses into de facto national ID cards, thus facilitating the massive invasion of an American's privacy, facilitating the growth of the surveillance state, and turning America into the type of country where citizens must always have their 'papers in order.'"
Mike Huckabee (Republican)
"...Real ID, that's a huge mistake. It's putting a burden on a state that should not be the state's function, which is to provide the frontline of national security defense at the hands of a DMV worker at a state office. That's absurd. And then not funding it. That's a real problem. If you're going to have federal program then the feds ought to pay for it."
Sen. Barak Obama (Democrat)
"I do not support the Real ID program because it is an unfunded mandate, and not enough work has been done with the states to help them implement the program."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
"I believe we need to seriously re-examine Real ID and make changes that take into account legitimate concerns raised by states. I have long expressed concern with the Real ID Act, dating back to its initial consideration in the Senate in the spring of 2005.
"Had there been an opportunity to properly consider this legislation, it would have been revealed that the Real ID Act imposes dramatic new burdens on our states and substantially changes our immigration and asylum laws in ways that deserve critical examination.
"Among other things, Real ID's driver's license provisions impose a massive unfunded mandate on states, while ignoring our broken immigration system.
"But there never was an opportunity to consider it properly. Senate Republicans brought this legislation up for a vote without holding hearings or engaging in serious debate, and by tacking it on to an emergency spending bill for our troops. By employing these tactics, Republicans revealed that they were determined to bulldoze this law through without serious discussion.
"I support a comprehensive review of Real ID to determine whether its various ID provisions make sense in light of our very real security needs and the challenges facing our states."
John Edwards (Democrat)
"Real ID is a big step toward a national ID card, and it will open the door to government invasions of privacy and to identity theft. I support setting rigorous state standards for ID cards to keep terrorists and criminals from getting false identification. However, we need a system that protects the privacy of regular Americans and doesn't cost states $11 billion."
Sen. John McCain (Republican)
"The 9/11 Commission recommended that the federal government set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification, such as driver's licenses. Consistent with these recommendations, the Real ID act established federal guidelines to prevent fraud in the issuance and acquisition of identity documents. I support full implementation of Real ID but understand that states need to be given enough time and funding to implement the requirements."
According to a national survey by the National Governor's Association, American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, and the National Conference of State Legislatures, Real ID is going to require an estimated 245 million Americans who currently use driver's licenses or identification cards to reapply in person for the National ID Card, more than doubling the amount of people who will be at the DMV each year as well as the duration of each person's transaction. To be able to handle these burdens more staff will be hired and the hours of operation will be extended. This alone is going to cost the states $8.5 billion dollars. The process itself includes the verification of each document you provide with the issuing agency. The DMV's time and effort is on our bill, on top of our own time and effort of going through this process.
Currently, Homeland Security is saying the minimum standard for the National ID Card will only include a barcode. However the Real ID Act states the standard is "a common machine readable technology." A less known but still common machine readable technology is Radio Frequency Identification chips [www.youtube.com]. With RFID, information can be read and written from a distance. RFID is already being used in passports to store information [www.google.com]. It can include GPS tracking technology as is used in embedded microchips for pets and livestock. Bars and clubs have started using embedded RFID technology in customers so they can pay their bar tabs without a credit card or wallet. Embedded microchips storing medical information have been used for a few years. Several schools across the country are considering implementing RFID technology in backpacks to track when students get on and off buses, or just ID cards with GPS technology [www.google.com].
The technology to locate and automate storing infromation about you on a microchip on your ID card is there, and the Real ID Act allows its use, as well as the storage of any information which can be stored. Once this technology is implemented (we will likely pay for it's implementation), it won't cost a thing.
The change from a modest beginning to something much more invasive is called "mission creep." The income tax's original purpose was supposed to tax the rich, with a rate of 1%. Today income tax rates are nearing 40%. The Social Security number was supposed to be an insurance policy, yet we need to use it whenever we apply for a job or bank account (or National ID). The Real ID Act sets a precedent that they can store information about you and if you refuse you cannot do anything that is on the list composed by the Department of Homeland Security (which is also subject to change).
ALL of this is pinpointed on the immigration problem. Just like the USA PATRIOT Act, Military Commissions Act, and even the Iraq War was pinpointed on September 11th.
Freedoms are endowed by our creator, but they are not guaranteed. Our legislators represent us, which means we only have the freedoms we're willing to defend.
The Virginia Generaly Assembly (comparable to our state's congress) ends on March 8th, which is a little over three weeks away.
Currently the legislation is stuck in the Senate Transportation Committee. Contact your legislators:
“I Reject the Federal Real ID Act”
“I support Senate Bill 492, please vote to pass Senator Hanger’s Bill!”
All Area codes (804)
Transportation Committee members:
Miller, Yvonne B. - Chairwoman - (804)698-7505
Houck, R. Edward 698-7517
Marsh, Henry L. III 698-7516
Newman, Stephen D. 698-7523
Watkins, John 698-7510
Puckett, Phillip P. 698-7538
Wagner, Frank 698-7507
Blevins, Harry 698-7514
Deeds, R. Creigh 698-7525
McDougle, Ryan T. 698-7504
Ticer, Patricia 698-7530
Cuccinelli, Ken II 698-7537
Petersen, Chap 698-7534
Smith, Ralph K. 698-7522
Miller, John C. 698-7501
Your representatives: [conview.state.va.us]
Re: Real ID the difffrent Presidential Responses and what you can do ablout it
Posted by:
Fruppie
()
Date: February 15, 2008 09:29PM
Rod Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I thought I would repost this here for clarity
>
> Here's what the other Presidential candidates say
> about it. All of them except McCain oppose it (and
> McCain acknowledges the funding
> problem)http://www.realnightmare.org/about/112/:
>
>
> Rep. Ron Paul (Republican)
> "I do not support any Real ID program, and I would
> seek the repeal of all federal laws mandating a
> Real ID program. The Real ID Act imposes
> tremendous costs on state governments, yet any
> state that opts out will automatically make
> nonpersons out of its citizens.
>
> "The citizens of that state will be unable to have
> any dealings with the federal government because
> their ID will not be accepted. They will not be
> able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the
> eyes of the federal government, they will cease to
> exist.
>
> "However, the most objectionable feature of the
> Real ID Act is that it turns state driver's
> licenses into de facto national ID cards, thus
> facilitating the massive invasion of an American's
> privacy, facilitating the growth of the
> surveillance state, and turning America into the
> type of country where citizens must always have
> their 'papers in order.'"
>
>
>
> Mike Huckabee (Republican)
> "...Real ID, that's a huge mistake. It's putting a
> burden on a state that should not be the state's
> function, which is to provide the frontline of
> national security defense at the hands of a DMV
> worker at a state office. That's absurd. And then
> not funding it. That's a real problem. If you're
> going to have federal program then the feds ought
> to pay for it."
>
>
>
> Sen. Barak Obama (Democrat)
> "I do not support the Real ID program because it
> is an unfunded mandate, and not enough work has
> been done with the states to help them implement
> the program."
>
>
>
> Sen. Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
> "I believe we need to seriously re-examine Real ID
> and make changes that take into account legitimate
> concerns raised by states. I have long expressed
> concern with the Real ID Act, dating back to its
> initial consideration in the Senate in the spring
> of 2005.
>
> "Had there been an opportunity to properly
> consider this legislation, it would have been
> revealed that the Real ID Act imposes dramatic new
> burdens on our states and substantially changes
> our immigration and asylum laws in ways that
> deserve critical examination.
>
> "Among other things, Real ID's driver's license
> provisions impose a massive unfunded mandate on
> states, while ignoring our broken immigration
> system.
>
> "But there never was an opportunity to consider it
> properly. Senate Republicans brought this
> legislation up for a vote without holding hearings
> or engaging in serious debate, and by tacking it
> on to an emergency spending bill for our troops.
> By employing these tactics, Republicans revealed
> that they were determined to bulldoze this law
> through without serious discussion.
>
> "I support a comprehensive review of Real ID to
> determine whether its various ID provisions make
> sense in light of our very real security needs and
> the challenges facing our states."
>
>
>
> John Edwards (Democrat)
> "Real ID is a big step toward a national ID card,
> and it will open the door to government invasions
> of privacy and to identity theft. I support
> setting rigorous state standards for ID cards to
> keep terrorists and criminals from getting false
> identification. However, we need a system that
> protects the privacy of regular Americans and
> doesn't cost states $11 billion."
>
>
>
> Sen. John McCain (Republican)
> "The 9/11 Commission recommended that the federal
> government set standards for the issuance of birth
> certificates and sources of identification, such
> as driver's licenses. Consistent with these
> recommendations, the Real ID act established
> federal guidelines to prevent fraud in the
> issuance and acquisition of identity documents. I
> support full implementation of Real ID but
> understand that states need to be given enough
> time and funding to implement the requirements."
>
>
> According to a national survey by the National
> Governor's Association, American Association of
> Motor Vehicle Administrators, and the National
> Conference of State Legislatures, Real ID is going
> to require an estimated 245 million Americans who
> currently use driver's licenses or identification
> cards to reapply in person for the National ID
> Card, more than doubling the amount of people who
> will be at the DMV each year as well as the
> duration of each person's transaction. To be able
> to handle these burdens more staff will be hired
> and the hours of operation will be extended. This
> alone is going to cost the states $8.5 billion
> dollars. The process itself includes the
> verification of each document you provide with the
> issuing agency. The DMV's time and effort is on
> our bill, on top of our own time and effort of
> going through this process.
>
> Currently, Homeland Security is saying the minimum
> standard for the National ID Card will only
> include a barcode. However the Real ID Act states
> the standard is "a common machine readable
> technology." A less known but still common machine
> readable technology is Radio Frequency
> Identification chips . With RFID, information can
> be read and written from a distance. RFID is
> already being used in passports to store
> information . It can include GPS tracking
> technology as is used in embedded microchips for
> pets and livestock. Bars and clubs have started
> using embedded RFID technology in customers so
> they can pay their bar tabs without a credit card
> or wallet. Embedded microchips storing medical
> information have been used for a few years.
> Several schools across the country are considering
> implementing RFID technology in backpacks to track
> when students get on and off buses, or just ID
> cards with GPS technology .
>
> The technology to locate and automate storing
> infromation about you on a microchip on your ID
> card is there, and the Real ID Act allows its use,
> as well as the storage of any information which
> can be stored. Once this technology is implemented
> (we will likely pay for it's implementation), it
> won't cost a thing.
>
> The change from a modest beginning to something
> much more invasive is called "mission creep." The
> income tax's original purpose was supposed to tax
> the rich, with a rate of 1%. Today income tax
> rates are nearing 40%. The Social Security number
> was supposed to be an insurance policy, yet we
> need to use it whenever we apply for a job or bank
> account (or National ID). The Real ID Act sets a
> precedent that they can store information about
> you and if you refuse you cannot do anything that
> is on the list composed by the Department of
> Homeland Security (which is also subject to
> change).
>
> ALL of this is pinpointed on the immigration
> problem. Just like the USA PATRIOT Act, Military
> Commissions Act, and even the Iraq War was
> pinpointed on September 11th.
>
> Freedoms are endowed by our creator, but they are
> not guaranteed. Our legislators represent us,
> which means we only have the freedoms we're
> willing to defend.
>
>
>
> The Virginia Generaly Assembly (comparable to our
> state's congress) ends on March 8th, which is a
> little over three weeks away.
>
> Currently the legislation is stuck in the Senate
> Transportation Committee. Contact your
> legislators:
>
> “I Reject the Federal Real ID Act”
> “I support Senate Bill 492, please vote to pass
> Senator Hanger’s Bill!”
>
> All Area codes (804)
> Transportation Committee members:
> Miller, Yvonne B. - Chairwoman - (804)698-7505
> Houck, R. Edward 698-7517
> Marsh, Henry L. III 698-7516
> Newman, Stephen D. 698-7523
> Watkins, John 698-7510
> Puckett, Phillip P. 698-7538
> Wagner, Frank 698-7507
> Blevins, Harry 698-7514
> Deeds, R. Creigh 698-7525
> McDougle, Ryan T. 698-7504
> Ticer, Patricia 698-7530
> Cuccinelli, Ken II 698-7537
> Petersen, Chap 698-7534
> Smith, Ralph K. 698-7522
> Miller, John C. 698-7501
> Your representatives:
You're stupid.
-------------------------------------------------------
> I thought I would repost this here for clarity
>
> Here's what the other Presidential candidates say
> about it. All of them except McCain oppose it (and
> McCain acknowledges the funding
> problem)http://www.realnightmare.org/about/112/:
>
>
> Rep. Ron Paul (Republican)
> "I do not support any Real ID program, and I would
> seek the repeal of all federal laws mandating a
> Real ID program. The Real ID Act imposes
> tremendous costs on state governments, yet any
> state that opts out will automatically make
> nonpersons out of its citizens.
>
> "The citizens of that state will be unable to have
> any dealings with the federal government because
> their ID will not be accepted. They will not be
> able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the
> eyes of the federal government, they will cease to
> exist.
>
> "However, the most objectionable feature of the
> Real ID Act is that it turns state driver's
> licenses into de facto national ID cards, thus
> facilitating the massive invasion of an American's
> privacy, facilitating the growth of the
> surveillance state, and turning America into the
> type of country where citizens must always have
> their 'papers in order.'"
>
>
>
> Mike Huckabee (Republican)
> "...Real ID, that's a huge mistake. It's putting a
> burden on a state that should not be the state's
> function, which is to provide the frontline of
> national security defense at the hands of a DMV
> worker at a state office. That's absurd. And then
> not funding it. That's a real problem. If you're
> going to have federal program then the feds ought
> to pay for it."
>
>
>
> Sen. Barak Obama (Democrat)
> "I do not support the Real ID program because it
> is an unfunded mandate, and not enough work has
> been done with the states to help them implement
> the program."
>
>
>
> Sen. Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
> "I believe we need to seriously re-examine Real ID
> and make changes that take into account legitimate
> concerns raised by states. I have long expressed
> concern with the Real ID Act, dating back to its
> initial consideration in the Senate in the spring
> of 2005.
>
> "Had there been an opportunity to properly
> consider this legislation, it would have been
> revealed that the Real ID Act imposes dramatic new
> burdens on our states and substantially changes
> our immigration and asylum laws in ways that
> deserve critical examination.
>
> "Among other things, Real ID's driver's license
> provisions impose a massive unfunded mandate on
> states, while ignoring our broken immigration
> system.
>
> "But there never was an opportunity to consider it
> properly. Senate Republicans brought this
> legislation up for a vote without holding hearings
> or engaging in serious debate, and by tacking it
> on to an emergency spending bill for our troops.
> By employing these tactics, Republicans revealed
> that they were determined to bulldoze this law
> through without serious discussion.
>
> "I support a comprehensive review of Real ID to
> determine whether its various ID provisions make
> sense in light of our very real security needs and
> the challenges facing our states."
>
>
>
> John Edwards (Democrat)
> "Real ID is a big step toward a national ID card,
> and it will open the door to government invasions
> of privacy and to identity theft. I support
> setting rigorous state standards for ID cards to
> keep terrorists and criminals from getting false
> identification. However, we need a system that
> protects the privacy of regular Americans and
> doesn't cost states $11 billion."
>
>
>
> Sen. John McCain (Republican)
> "The 9/11 Commission recommended that the federal
> government set standards for the issuance of birth
> certificates and sources of identification, such
> as driver's licenses. Consistent with these
> recommendations, the Real ID act established
> federal guidelines to prevent fraud in the
> issuance and acquisition of identity documents. I
> support full implementation of Real ID but
> understand that states need to be given enough
> time and funding to implement the requirements."
>
>
> According to a national survey by the National
> Governor's Association, American Association of
> Motor Vehicle Administrators, and the National
> Conference of State Legislatures, Real ID is going
> to require an estimated 245 million Americans who
> currently use driver's licenses or identification
> cards to reapply in person for the National ID
> Card, more than doubling the amount of people who
> will be at the DMV each year as well as the
> duration of each person's transaction. To be able
> to handle these burdens more staff will be hired
> and the hours of operation will be extended. This
> alone is going to cost the states $8.5 billion
> dollars. The process itself includes the
> verification of each document you provide with the
> issuing agency. The DMV's time and effort is on
> our bill, on top of our own time and effort of
> going through this process.
>
> Currently, Homeland Security is saying the minimum
> standard for the National ID Card will only
> include a barcode. However the Real ID Act states
> the standard is "a common machine readable
> technology." A less known but still common machine
> readable technology is Radio Frequency
> Identification chips . With RFID, information can
> be read and written from a distance. RFID is
> already being used in passports to store
> information . It can include GPS tracking
> technology as is used in embedded microchips for
> pets and livestock. Bars and clubs have started
> using embedded RFID technology in customers so
> they can pay their bar tabs without a credit card
> or wallet. Embedded microchips storing medical
> information have been used for a few years.
> Several schools across the country are considering
> implementing RFID technology in backpacks to track
> when students get on and off buses, or just ID
> cards with GPS technology .
>
> The technology to locate and automate storing
> infromation about you on a microchip on your ID
> card is there, and the Real ID Act allows its use,
> as well as the storage of any information which
> can be stored. Once this technology is implemented
> (we will likely pay for it's implementation), it
> won't cost a thing.
>
> The change from a modest beginning to something
> much more invasive is called "mission creep." The
> income tax's original purpose was supposed to tax
> the rich, with a rate of 1%. Today income tax
> rates are nearing 40%. The Social Security number
> was supposed to be an insurance policy, yet we
> need to use it whenever we apply for a job or bank
> account (or National ID). The Real ID Act sets a
> precedent that they can store information about
> you and if you refuse you cannot do anything that
> is on the list composed by the Department of
> Homeland Security (which is also subject to
> change).
>
> ALL of this is pinpointed on the immigration
> problem. Just like the USA PATRIOT Act, Military
> Commissions Act, and even the Iraq War was
> pinpointed on September 11th.
>
> Freedoms are endowed by our creator, but they are
> not guaranteed. Our legislators represent us,
> which means we only have the freedoms we're
> willing to defend.
>
>
>
> The Virginia Generaly Assembly (comparable to our
> state's congress) ends on March 8th, which is a
> little over three weeks away.
>
> Currently the legislation is stuck in the Senate
> Transportation Committee. Contact your
> legislators:
>
> “I Reject the Federal Real ID Act”
> “I support Senate Bill 492, please vote to pass
> Senator Hanger’s Bill!”
>
> All Area codes (804)
> Transportation Committee members:
> Miller, Yvonne B. - Chairwoman - (804)698-7505
> Houck, R. Edward 698-7517
> Marsh, Henry L. III 698-7516
> Newman, Stephen D. 698-7523
> Watkins, John 698-7510
> Puckett, Phillip P. 698-7538
> Wagner, Frank 698-7507
> Blevins, Harry 698-7514
> Deeds, R. Creigh 698-7525
> McDougle, Ryan T. 698-7504
> Ticer, Patricia 698-7530
> Cuccinelli, Ken II 698-7537
> Petersen, Chap 698-7534
> Smith, Ralph K. 698-7522
> Miller, John C. 698-7501
> Your representatives:
You're stupid.
Re: Real ID the difffrent Presidential Responses and what you can do ablout it
Posted by:
Stop_Real_ID
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Date: February 15, 2008 09:31PM
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/74696.html
You can take a look at the original thread here. The above post is a combination of a few from (what is right now) the last few posts. If you're interested in the working links give it a look.
You can take a look at the original thread here. The above post is a combination of a few from (what is right now) the last few posts. If you're interested in the working links give it a look.