http://leondsouza.blogspot.com/2011/12/problem-with-isolationism.html

...why it's silly to keep talking about hiding from the world.

We are certainly not an isolationist party. Did you miss the last ten years?

The only one who actually wants isolationism is Paul. He wont win the nomination. Apparently facts dont matter

BrianSchoeneman Wrote:
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> We are certainly not an isolationist party. Did
> you miss the last ten years?


More like the last 60 years at least and really probably more like the last century

If republicans were isolationists, all the jobs would not have went to china,,,
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Hatemotor Wrote:
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> If republicans were isolationists, all the jobs
> would not have went to china,,,


Right cus there the ones who want to tax businesses more, have harsher epa standards ect all of which make it cheaper to operate in china

Better get used to it. We're broke.


Save the Republic, abandon the empire!

yea right Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If republicans were isolationists, all the jobs
> > would not have went to china,,,
>
>
> Right cus there the ones who want to tax
> businesses more, have harsher epa standards ect
> all of which make it cheaper to operate in china


Traitor,,,off with your head, you red chinese commie loving bastard,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:
>
> Traitor,,,off with your head, you red chinese
> commie loving bastard,,,


Not a chinese lover, just a simple fact. saying theyre the ones shipping jobs overseas is just simply not true

yea right Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If republicans were isolationists, all the jobs
> > would not have went to china,,,
>
>
> Right cus there the ones who want to tax
> businesses more, have harsher epa standards ect
> all of which make it cheaper to operate in china

Spoken like a truly intelligent, educated American. No wonder this country is fucked. Look who votes here. $5 says you vote a straight GOP ticket every time and cannot put together a cogent, fact-filled argument explaining why.

Republicans = money first, fuck the country

But they're a bunch of super patriots when they want to start a war,,,

yea right Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
> >
> > Traitor,,,off with your head, you red chinese
> > commie loving bastard,,,
>
>
> Not a chinese lover, just a simple fact. saying
> theyre the ones shipping jobs overseas is just
> simply not true


Whatever Team China,,,why don't you move there with the jobs, traitor

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Republicans = money first, fuck the country


Of the top ten richest members of congress seven are democrats. You got nothing food stamp boy

Face Palm Wrote:

> Spoken like a truly intelligent, educated
> American. No wonder this country is fucked. Look
> who votes here. $5 says you vote a straight GOP
> ticket every time and cannot put together a
> cogent, fact-filled argument explaining why.

I forgot only intelligent people vote liberal right? You mean how you just vote for the D next to the name every single time and cant say why? I loved the Howard Stern bit where people said how much the loved Palin when he they she was Obamas VP to show how uninformed voters are. Thats true intelligence right there.

Yes lets say we want to tax the hell out of a business and make it much more expensive to operate and then wonder why they move offshore where its cheaper. Keep drinking the koolaid and ignoring the facts

you failed Wrote:
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> Hatemotor Wrote:
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> > Republicans = money first, fuck the country
>
>
> Of the top ten richest members of congress seven
> are democrats. You got nothing food stamp boy


What's that got to do with sending jobs overseas, Team China?

Traitor bitch,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:

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> What's that got to do with sending jobs overseas,
> Team China?
>
> Traitor bitch,,,


Since the facts are against you are you just going to use name calling as whole defense for however long this thread goes?

Traitor,,,
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I care about jobs in this country,,,I don't believe in a bunch of rhetoric to justify giving our wealth to a country that was our mortal enemy 20 years ago and who I still consider an enemy to this day,,,

I'm also not buying any chinese products either ,,,

FUCK THE CHINESE,,,,

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

FUCK THE COMMIES! FUCK THE COMMIES! FUCK THE COMMIES!
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Hatemotor Wrote:
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> I care about jobs in this country,,,I don't
> believe in a bunch of rhetoric to justify giving
> our wealth to a country that was our mortal enemy
> 20 years ago and who I still consider an enemy to
> this day,,,
>
> I'm also not buying any chinese products either
> ,,,
>
> FUCK THE CHINESE,,,,


And what part of what you just said has to do with the GOP? They want to make it less expensive for business to operate here not more expensive like the current democratic party who demonizes successful businesses but is fine with have a business Czar whose the head of GE which paid 0 dollars in taxes last year

I don't think either party has been tough on the chinese, both could do something, they chose not to,,,

You will defend YOUR party no matter how culpable they are, I hold BOTH sides accountable,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> I don't think either party has been tough on the
> chinese, both could do something, they chose not
> to,,,
>
> You will defend YOUR party no matter how culpable
> they are, I hold BOTH sides accountable,,,


Theres not a two sides to hold accountable when ONE party is the one thats trying to run up the cost of business and the other will not. Also the 2008 election made republicans unable to do anything as dems had both houses by a wide majority and the presidency

What exactly do you want to be done anyway? They hold 20 percent of our debt and are our largest trading partner. We can certainly make it easier and cheaper for a business to operate here so they dont leave but some will leave no matter what

Corporate earnings and profits have never been higher than this year,,,

To what do you attribute that fact if the democrats are so anti-business?



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Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Corporate earnings and profits have never been
> higher than this year,,,
>
> To what do you attribute that fact if the
> democrats are so anti-business?


Your first statement is just not true. Maybe for a couple businesses, not across the board.

So Steve Wynn was just making all this up?
http://lasvegasbadger.blogspot.com/2011/07/steve-wynn-blasts-obama.html

Mar 26, 2011 ... Corporate profits reached their highest level in history, while new home sales fell to their lowest pace ever, according to data released this ...

www.wsws.org/articles/2011/mar2011/econ-m26.shtml - Similar

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Mar 26, 2011 ... Corporate profits reached their
> highest level in history, while new home sales
> fell to their lowest pace ever, according to data
> released this ...
>
> www.wsws.org/articles/2011/mar2011/econ-m26.shtml
> - Similar


Doesnt mean that most are, could just be from the largest ones. But again refer to Wynns comments. The administrations policies have made businesses sit on their money instead of investing in expansion ect. When you sit on money your profit goes up.

2011 was also Wall St.'s best year EVER,,,,


The facts I'm presenting are all well known and easy to verify,,,


HIGHEST PROFITS EVER. Period,,,

I know your right wing brainwashing doesn't want to acknowledge these FACTS, but as I said a tiny amount of research will verify it,,,

The rich, Wall St and corporate USA ,ARE NOT VICTIMS,,, they're doing better under Obama than any president EVER,,,

Why do you think Wall St has given Obama so much money in campaign contributions,,,

But you keep thinking there's anyone in the Gov't that give a shit about you,,,

Obama is just pursuing Bush policies and the Pubs don't like it one bit.

Shades of Libya. There are stories now that NATO special forces are training a rebel force for Syria.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> HIGHEST PROFITS EVER. Period,,,
>
> I know your right wing brainwashing doesn't want
> to acknowledge these FACTS, but as I said a tiny
> amount of research will verify it,,,
>
> The rich, Wall St and corporate USA ,ARE NOT
> VICTIMS,,, they're doing better under Obama than
> any president EVER,,,
>
> Why do you think Wall St has given Obama so much
> money in campaign contributions,,,
>
> But you keep thinking there's anyone in the Gov't
> that give a shit about you,,,


Saying highest profits ever as a whole community means nothing. Their profits go up as they expand. The sheer number value means nothing unless turned into a percentage. Again a few giant corporations could be carrying the load. But also as you refused to address by sitting on the money their profits will be higher than if they were reinvesting money into the company in expansion ect.

Its your liberal mindset that refuses to actually talk in facts and you just want to blame the republicans and because its the hip thing to do. Never mind the fact Obama has had 3 years and its just gotten worse and 2 of those he had both houses of congress with a commanding control of each. Never mind that a Harry Reid and Barack Obama supporting Steve Wynn is saying that Obama is crushing businesses and making them sit on their money out of fear. Never mind the fact that Steve Jobs (also a big Obama supporter) was against his business policies. Never mind the fact that Warren Buffet wants higher taxes yet his company owes a billion dollars in back taxes. Its you whose being taken for the propaganda ride.

Dont bother mentioning the last jobs report that accounts for seasonal employment which is the highest at this time of year and the fact that people are just starting to give up their search its been so long since theyve had work. Come the new year the unemployment numbers will be rising again.

Prolly right.

yea right Wrote:
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> Right cus there the ones who want to tax
> businesses more, have harsher epa standards ect
> all of which make it cheaper to operate in china


That can't go on forever. Remember the Beijing Olympics? China had to shut down all the factories in a three hundred mile radius of Beijing just so the athletes could breathe. Yeah, fuck all those EPA standards, there's always SCUBA tanks and bottled water!

buttplug Wrote:

> That can't go on forever. Remember the Beijing
> Olympics? China had to shut down all the
> factories in a three hundred mile radius of
> Beijing just so the athletes could breathe. Yeah,
> fuck all those EPA standards, there's always SCUBA
> tanks and bottled water!


True. They will eventually have to start inserting some sort of pollution standards, but if we keep keep tightening down on ours, theres will still be much cheaper. Im not saying there should be no standard but the earth will be fine. Its survived much worse than anything we could do to it