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Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: November 09, 2011 10:31AM

The People have given their first good strong hint to The Imploding Party:

"We know what's going on, we see what you've become, we vote, and you've been warned"

The Imploding Party had better move back toward the center SOON or The People are going to be speaking even louder to them.

[Fairfax results are pretty damn telling too, huh?]

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 09, 2011 10:31AM

4 more years, II Wrote:
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> The People have given their first good strong hint
> to The Imploding Party:
>
> "We know what's going on, we see what you've
> become, we vote, and you've been warned"
>
> The Imploding Party had better move back toward
> the center SOON or The People are going to be
> speaking even louder to them.
>
>

Yeah, all the folks Obama hired when he came to office live in the suburbs.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Date: November 09, 2011 10:41AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yeah, all the folks Obama hired when he came to
> office live in the suburbs.

That is definitely one of your more
inane comments, RV. If that’s the
best you’ve got, perhaps you should
sit-out the FFU post-mortem of yesterday’s
Repug. debacle, especially in Fairfax.

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 09, 2011 10:52AM

Eyes of the Weasel Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, all the folks Obama hired when he came to
> > office live in the suburbs.
>
> That is definitely one of your more
> inane comments, RV. If that’s the
> best you’ve got, perhaps you should
> sit-out the FFU post-mortem of yesterday’s
> Repug. debacle, especially in Fairfax.

What, you mean the thousands of workers hired since Obama came into office don't live in Fairfax or any number of other surrounding jurisdictions? Northern VA has always been leaning to the left, more so since Obama got elected. I just fail to see any significance in whatever the OP was trying to infer. I don't see how anything other than the Ohio union result was a positive for Democrats in this election cycle - hey, good for them, but the over the top spin on that result is lolable.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Date: November 09, 2011 11:28AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> What, you mean the thousands of workers hired
> since Obama came into office don't live in Fairfax
> or any number of other surrounding jurisdictions?

What, you mean every federal worker hired since
Jan. 2009 is a loyal supporter of President Obama,
or even a Democrat?

> Northern VA has always been leaning to the left,
> more so since Obama got elected.

What?!?! Where are you from, boy, and when did you
get here? NOVA has been trending blue for close to
twenty years (way before President Obama was elected),
but it was very, very red until the mid-to-late 90s.

> I just fail to see any significance in whatever
> the OP was trying to infer. I don't see how anything
> other than the Ohio union result was a positive for
> Democrats in this election cycle - hey, good for them,
> but the over the top spin on that result is lolable.

Since the 2010 elections, RV, we've seen repeated Repug.
overreaching or attempted overreaching (e.g.; Wisconsin,
Mississippi, Arizona, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina)
followed by significant push-back from the center AND the
left. The OP's message to Repugs. is: Stop trying to push
your ideology down the throats of those who elected you
and get busy fixing the economy and creating some goddamned
jobs.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2011 11:29AM by Eyes of the Weasel.

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 09, 2011 11:38AM

Eyes of the Weasel Wrote:
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> The OP's message to Repugs. is: Stop trying
> to push
> your ideology down the throats of those who
> elected you
> and get busy fixing the economy and creating some
> goddamned
> jobs.

Oh.. right. LOL You are really lost aren't you.

The only significant setback was in Ohio - not sure where you are getting your facts other than the MSM talking points, but that is all you have.

These idiots that keep trying to push religious issues as a part of governing need to stay home, on that I will agree.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: enough with the spin ()
Date: November 09, 2011 11:51AM

4 more years, II Wrote:
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> The People have given their first good strong hint
> to The Imploding Party:
>
> "We know what's going on, we see what you've
> become, we vote, and you've been warned"
>
> The Imploding Party had better move back toward
> the center SOON or The People are going to be
> speaking even louder to them.
>
>

So you're really trying to say this was a referendum on anything because what 5 percent of voters voted? Get a clue dude. You must be desperately trying to convince your self not to be worried. Young kids and house wives are notoriously democrat. Nova is democrate to begin with. It was a vote very few people cared about and not something most working conservatives were going to bother to show up for. Despite you calling it a big faliure conservatives now hold all levels of government in the state but its a democratic win becuase they didn't get slaughtered? Enough with the spin. This election has 0 implications for nect years.

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: November 09, 2011 12:17PM

enough with the spin Wrote:
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> So you're really trying to say this was a
> referendum on anything

No, actually an Imploding Party supporter said it would be (somewhere around here on these boards). Given the results, that "referendum" did not materialize. And, as it goes, that means The People ain't buying what The Imploding Party is trying to sell.

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: enough with the spin ()
Date: November 09, 2011 12:28PM

4 more years, II Wrote:
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> enough with the spin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So you're really trying to say this was a
> > referendum on anything
>
> No, actually an Imploding Party supporter said it
> would be (somewhere around here on these boards).
> Given the results, that "referendum" did not
> materialize. And, as it goes, that means The
> People ain't buying what The Imploding Party is
> trying to sell.


Stupid nick names for republicans that aren't even clever just make you sound stupid. Again I see you're just deperately looking for self reassurance. There's a stronger argument that is was for obama with him losing the obamacare vote than there is against it. Wow a 100 thousand people elected a dem school board again what a shock in liberal northern va where most people didn't care except for housewives and people out of work. I see the spin machine is hard at work

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: 4 more years, II ()
Date: November 09, 2011 12:34PM

enough with the spin Wrote:
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> ...Stupid nick names for republicans that aren't even
> clever just make you sound stupid...

Granted, the Republicans certainly aren't clever but I'm kinda fond of the accurate nickname "The Imploding Party" - totally reflects what is happening to the Republican Party as they kowtow to the extreme elements that have taken over - they're chewing themselves up (or...er...whittling themselves down) with almost no help from the other parties.

Implosion.

Collapsing into themselves.

Poof!

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: no oars 4 Dems ()
Date: November 09, 2011 12:39PM

4 more years, II Wrote:
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> enough with the spin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...Stupid nick names for republicans that aren't
> even
> > clever just make you sound stupid...
>
> Granted, the Republicans certainly aren't clever
> but I'm kinda fond of the accurate nickname "The
> Imploding Party" - totally reflects what is
> happening to the Republican Party as they kowtow
> to the extreme elements that have taken over -
> they're chewing themselves up (or...er...whittling
> themselves down) with almost no help from the
> other parties.
>
> Implosion.
>
> Collapsing into themselves.
>
> Poof!


You are a very original thinker. It is particulalry funny considering the implosion of the Democratic Party was documented all last year culminating in historic defeats for the Democrats. I bet you really hated this thread.

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/304245/304245.html#msg-304245

Try a little harder. I am not even sure you are convincing yourself at this point.

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: enough with the spin ()
Date: November 09, 2011 01:00PM

4 more years, II Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> enough with the spin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ...Stupid nick names for republicans that aren't
> even
> > clever just make you sound stupid...
>
> Granted, the Republicans certainly aren't clever
> but I'm kinda fond of the accurate nickname "The
> Imploding Party" - totally reflects what is
> happening to the Republican Party as they kowtow
> to the extreme elements that have taken over -
> they're chewing themselves up (or...er...whittling
> themselves down) with almost no help from the
> other parties.
>
> Implosion.
>
> Collapsing into themselves.
>
> Poof!


Its always sad to see someone desperately try to hang on. The only party moving to extremes are the nanci pelosis of the world. Next you'll say occupy wall street is great. I agree with the other poster that I'm not sure you even believe what you write anymore. Its just nearly impossible to not see what's happened around the world in nations that have large amounts of entitlements and realize that's not the direction we should be headed

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: poopstick ()
Date: November 09, 2011 01:19PM

Only dickheads write snarky political comments online.

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: November 09, 2011 02:49PM

The nation is still recovering from a crushing recession that sent unemployment hovering above nine percent for two straight years. The president, mindful of soaring deficits, is pushing bold action to shore up the nation's balance sheet. Cloaking himself in the language of class warfare, he calls on a hostile Congress to end wasteful tax breaks for the rich. "We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share," he thunders to a crowd in Georgia. Such tax loopholes, he adds, "sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary – and that's crazy."

Preacherlike, the president draws the crowd into a call-and-response. "Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver," he demands, "or less?"

The crowd, sounding every bit like the protesters from Occupy Wall Street, roars back: "MORE!"

The year was 1985. The president was Ronald Wilson Reagan. Today's Republican Party may revere Reagan as the patron saint of low taxation. But the party of Reagan – which understood that higher taxes on the rich are sometimes required to cure ruinous deficits – is dead and gone. Instead, the modern GOP has undergone a radical transformation, reorganizing itself around a grotesque proposition: that the wealthy should grow wealthier still, whatever the consequences for the rest of us.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-the-rich-20111109#ixzz1dEuKCPIC

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 09, 2011 03:35PM

Yeah - good that they actually published something with it, like a video clip or a transcript of his speech.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/reagan-quotes/
...February 4, 1986 -- from the State of the Union Address

"Government growing beyond our consent had become a lumbering giant, slamming shut the gates of opportunity, threatening to crush the very roots of our freedom. What brought America back? The American people brought us back -- with quiet courage and common sense; with undying faith that in this nation under God the future will be ours, for the future belongs to the free."


August 15, 1986 -- in remarks to the White House Conference on Small Business

"[G]overnment's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."...


It is pretty obvious he was against what the government has become today...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
Reaganomics refers to the economic policies promoted by the U.S. President Ronald Reagan during the 1980s, also known as supply-side economics and called trickle-down economics, particularly by critics. The four pillars of Reagan's economic policy were to:

Reduce Growth of Government spending
Reduce Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax
Reduce Government regulation
Control the money supply to reduce inflation


On the other hand...

Tax Reform Act of 1986
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986
...he U.S. Congress passed the Tax Reform Act of 1986 (TRA) (Pub.L. 99-514, 100 Stat. 2085, enacted October 22, 1986) to simplify the income tax code, broaden the tax base and eliminate many tax shelters and other preferences. Referred to as the second of the two "Reagan tax cuts" (the Kemp-Roth Tax Cut of 1981 being the first), the bill was also officially sponsored by Democrats, Richard Gephardt of Missouri in the House of Representatives and Bill Bradley of New Jersey in the Senate.

...Income tax rates

The top tax rate was lowered from 50% to 28% while the bottom rate was raised from 11% to 15%. Many lower level tax brackets were consolidated, and the upper income level of the bottom rate (married filing jointly) was increased from $5,720/year to $29,750/year. This package ultimately consolidated tax brackets from fifteen levels of income to four levels of income.[1] This would be the only time in the history of the U.S. income tax (which dates back to the passage of the Revenue Act of 1862) that the top rate was reduced and the bottom rate increased concomitantly. In addition, capital gains faced the same tax rate as ordinary income.

The rate structure also maintained a novel "bubble rate." The rates were not 15%/28%, as widely reported. Rather, the rates were 15%/28%/33%/28%. The "bubble rate" of 33% simply elevated the 15% rate to 28% for higher-income taxpayers. As a result, for taxpayers after a certain income level, TRA86 provided a flat tax of 28%. This was jettisoned in the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990, otherwise known as the "Bush tax increase", which violated his Taxpayer Protection Pledge....


If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Cocky Republicans smacked upside the head
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: November 09, 2011 05:06PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah - good that they actually published something
> with it, like a video clip or a transcript of his
> speech.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/feature
> s/general-article/reagan-quotes/
> ...February 4, 1986 -- from the State of the Union
> Address
>
> "Government growing beyond our consent had
> become a lumbering giant, slamming shut the gates
> of opportunity, threatening to crush the very
> roots of our freedom. What brought America back?
> The American people brought us back -- with quiet
> courage and common sense; with undying faith that
> in this nation under God the future will be ours,
> for the future belongs to the free."
>
>
> August 15, 1986 -- in remarks to the White House
> Conference on Small Business
>
> "overnment's view of the economy could be
> summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax
> it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it
> stops moving, subsidize it."...
>
> It is pretty obvious he was against what the
> government has become today...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
> Reaganomics refers to the economic policies
> promoted by the U.S. President Ronald Reagan
> during the 1980s, also known as supply-side
> economics and called trickle-down economics,
> particularly by critics. The four pillars of
> Reagan's economic policy were to:
>
> Reduce Growth of Government spending
> Reduce Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax
> Reduce Government regulation
> Control the money supply to reduce inflation
>
>
> On the other hand...
>
> Tax Reform Act of 1986
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_198
> 6
> ...he U.S. Congress passed the Tax Reform Act of
> 1986 (TRA) (Pub.L. 99-514, 100 Stat. 2085, enacted
> October 22, 1986) to simplify the income tax code,
> broaden the tax base and eliminate many tax
> shelters and other preferences. Referred to as the
> second of the two "Reagan tax cuts" (the Kemp-Roth
> Tax Cut of 1981 being the first), the bill was
> also officially sponsored by Democrats, Richard
> Gephardt of Missouri in the House of
> Representatives and Bill Bradley of New Jersey in
> the Senate.
>
> ...Income tax rates
>
> The top tax rate was lowered from 50% to 28% while
> the bottom rate was raised from 11% to 15%. Many
> lower level tax brackets were consolidated, and
> the upper income level of the bottom rate (married
> filing jointly) was increased from $5,720/year to
> $29,750/year. This package ultimately consolidated
> tax brackets from fifteen levels of income to four
> levels of income.[1] This would be the only time
> in the history of the U.S. income tax (which dates
> back to the passage of the Revenue Act of 1862)
> that the top rate was reduced and the bottom rate
> increased concomitantly. In addition, capital
> gains faced the same tax rate as ordinary income.
>
> The rate structure also maintained a novel "bubble
> rate." The rates were not 15%/28%, as widely
> reported. Rather, the rates were 15%/28%/33%/28%.
> The "bubble rate" of 33% simply elevated the 15%
> rate to 28% for higher-income taxpayers. As a
> result, for taxpayers after a certain income
> level, TRA86 provided a flat tax of 28%. This was
> jettisoned in the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation
> Act of 1990, otherwise known as the "Bush tax
> increase", which violated his Taxpayer Protection
> Pledge....


Your an idiot. REAGAN RAISED TAXES AND UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS NEEDED. STOP hiding behind BS.

A true student of Reagan would have understood that 2002 was the moment for a tax increase. When his 1981 tax cut overshot the mark, Reagan had put aside ideology and raised taxes, putting the needs of the country above the desires of the wealthy. Bush's father had also raised taxes to avoid passing massive deficits on to future generations. Moreover, the Bush administration had already committed the country to a costly war in Afghanistan, and was on the brink of invading Iraq. Historically, Republican and Democratic administrations alike had met the financial burdens of war by raising taxes. But this was a new Republican Party, one determined to aid the rich even as it sent the military budget soaring. As House Majority Leader Tom DeLay would soon declare, "Nothing is more important in the face of a war than cutting taxes."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2011 05:06PM by ferfux.

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