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The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: October 06, 2011 08:12AM

My God. The demokrats demonized Dick Cheney for supporting waterboarding of non-Americans who blew up our people, yet their leader has a secret panel that approves not capturing, not torturing for later release, but KILLING Americans overseas. January 2009 began the ripping up of the Constitution and the installing of the Obama konstitution and maniphesto, a system of government where we now have a diktator.

How can you demokrats support this and still call yourselves Americans? You are amerikans.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44794516/ns/world_news/

WASHINGTON — American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior government officials, which then informs the president of its decisions, according to officials.

There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: October 06, 2011 08:37AM

Good for Obama for doing this, but seriously fuck the two-faced faggot also for posturing so hard on Bush, Cheney and company.


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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: Radiophool ()
Date: October 06, 2011 08:38AM

Assassination of American citizens rules: Bush, not ok. Obama ok. I got it now.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Date: October 06, 2011 09:11AM

So what you are saying is that it's not okay for Federal Marshals to kill armed suspects intent on killing fellow Americans?

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: October 06, 2011 09:24AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> So what you are saying is that it's not okay for
> Federal Marshals to kill armed suspects intent on
> killing fellow Americans?

Are they allowed to perform mob style executions of suspects who are sleeping, ala Mossad or the Brazilain Death Squads of the 70's?


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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: friskydingo ()
Date: October 06, 2011 09:54AM

WingNut Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So what you are saying is that it's not okay
> for
> > Federal Marshals to kill armed suspects intent
> on
> > killing fellow Americans?
>
> Are they allowed to perform mob style executions
> of suspects who are sleeping, ala Mossad or the
> Brazilain Death Squads of the 70's?


Oh shut up, you people age getting what you want, be happy.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: October 06, 2011 10:06AM

friskydingo Wrote:
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> Oh shut up, you people age getting what you want,
> be happy.

No, we want a president who will kill Al Qarda with drones, but we also want a president who is honest and consistent about such a policy.

Obuma fronted on Bush/Cheney pretty hard about waterboarding. I'm glad he sees the light, but you have to admit- he is one phony bastard.


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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: Bill N ()
Date: October 06, 2011 10:10AM

conVince Wrote:
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> yet their leader has a secret panel
> that approves not capturing, not torturing for
> later release, but KILLING Americans overseas.

I seem to recall Republicans and right wing talking heads arguing that it was ok for the US to target kill US citizens overseas when Bush was in office. I guess it is only wrong when demoKrats do it.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Date: October 06, 2011 10:17AM

WingNut Wrote:
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> friskydingo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Oh shut up, you people age getting what you
> want,
> > be happy.
>
> No, we want a president who will kill Al Qarda
> with drones, but we also want a president who is
> honest and consistent about such a policy.
>
> Obuma fronted on Bush/Cheney pretty hard about
> waterboarding. I'm glad he sees the light, but you
> have to admit- he is one phony bastard.


There's nothing inconsistent with what Obama is doing. There's a huge difference between picking up an American at O'Hare and then keeping him at GITMO for years without seeing a lawyer and killing an American who has denounced his citizenship and is aiding and abetting an enemy of the U.S. in a foreign country that is incapable of capturing him and turning him over to America.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: October 06, 2011 10:18AM

Bill N Wrote:
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> I seem to recall Republicans and right wing
> talking heads arguing that it was ok for the US to
> target kill US citizens overseas when Bush was in
> office. I guess it is only wrong when demoKrats
> do it.


Thank god he wasn't waterboarded, that would be a travesty of human rights.

I think it is hypocrisy of ODummas 2008 campaign postions that are getting the laughs here.


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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: Champion ()
Date: October 06, 2011 10:30AM

Let's be honest about Al Qaeda. They are menacing, but they lack abilities to make them a existential threat to our nation. They aren't a state. They can't tax to support their services, they can't conscript labor, and they don't have an industrial base to provide equipment for their operations. They are entirely dependent on donations, whether that is money, volunteers or weapons and ammo. We should take them as a threat but there is little that our armed forces can do effectively. If they were based in the United States they would be a 501-c3. We are fighting the evil equivalent of the red cross. The best thing we can do is limit their funding by putting pressure on their donors. Who, with the Arab spring, have issues much closer to home to deal with.

Also, we killed Bin Laden. Let us say that you are a wealthy individual who desires to see a pan-Arab Wahabist Caliphate, are you still going to donate to Al Qeada now that Bin Laden is dead. Of all the groups you could back why stick with them? It used to be that they were headed by a guy with a track record of defeating vastly better armed nations with limited resources. Bin Laden could honestly say he was key component in the collapse of the Soviet Union, and he did it for a lot less resources. Granted at one point there was a billion dollars going in to support him, but that was still dwarfed by the Soviet Union's exertion. He also had a lot of personal connections to people with disposable resources. If you wanted to bleed a super power, he was your guy; and boy did he.

But he is dead now, and even though the guys still in the organization truly believe in the cause and may have certain skills, no one has the institutional credibility or personal connections that Bin Laden had. There are still remnants, and they still desire to do us harm, but they now lack the resources and the ability. We should end the War and do so quickly. The greatest threat to the well-being of our country is now our excessive outlays.

This question about drone strikes misses the strategic question. And, if there can be a valid criticism of this administration it is that they lack strategic acumen, in foreign policy and domestic policy.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: Bill N ()
Date: October 06, 2011 10:40AM

WingNut-I agree that Obama is hypocritical on this point, but I don't think that is what the OP is writing about. "January 2009 began the ripping up of the Constitution and the installing of the Obama konstitution and maniphesto, a system of government where we now have a diktator" doesn't exactly sound like the guy is complaining because Obama simply continued the policies of the prior administration.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: October 06, 2011 10:58AM

This is the only thing about the "Chicago way" that i like. However it probably originated in the Bush years.

Obama needs to tell his peeps to keep their fucking mouths shut. This shouldn't have been leaked.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: October 06, 2011 11:24AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> So what you are saying is that it's not okay for
> Federal Marshals to kill armed suspects intent on
> killing fellow Americans?


Obviously, the government is prohibited from putting you to death until they have proven your guilt in a court of law, or unless they catch you in the actual act of violence and have to shoot you in self-defense. And the government must provide proof, openly and publicly. Awlaki was never captured, never tried, and the "evidence" against him is all secret. He was murdered, plain and simple. There's not even a declaration of war.

To see so-called "liberals" run to the defense of a secret government hit-list is ironic to say the least, the hypocrisy would be funny if this wasn't so scary. From "stop the war" to "pro extra-judicial killing" with just one election. All so you can stick it to the conservatives, who are just like you after all.

Meanwhile right-wingers make assinine statements like, "I'm glad Obama did this, but it makes me nervous." Well, what the fuck do you want, a secret government death squad or a nation of constitutional law? Make up your minds you war-mongering drones. You say you love the constitution so much, but you're willing to pitch the whole thing whenever somebody brings up the word "terrorist" or "war". And anything you say about Obama's death list making you nervous is not to be taken seriously, since it was Bush's list first, and you dumbfucks were gung-ho for it, along with the TSA kid-touching and the wiretaps and secret prisons and torture. Hope you're all proud of the farce you've made of this country.

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: Predator Obama ()
Date: October 06, 2011 11:34AM

conVince Wrote:

>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44794516/ns/world_news
> /
>
> WASHINGTON — American militants like Anwar
> al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by
> a secretive panel of senior government officials,
> which then informs the president of its decisions,
> according to officials.
>

hang on. If the list is secretive how does the press know about it? And why would the senior panel of government officials have the last word over the president? and just WHO ARE THESE government officials?

> There is no public record of the operations or
> decisions of the panel,

Then someone needs to get a freedom of information act.


which is a subset of the
> White House's National Security Council, several
> current and former officials said.

what gain would this secret panel have to come out publicly with this information?

Neither is
> there any law establishing its existence or
> setting out the rules by which it is supposed to
> operate.


White House's National Security Council is bound by the same laws of the United states Domestically and internationally as everyone else. Really? is this conspiracy theory star chamber Bullshit all you have?

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: Mr. Jones ()
Date: October 06, 2011 12:23PM

Killing enemy soldiers in the field of battle is not a crime, ever. Once a soldier is captured alive, differnet rules apply. That might be hard for you numbskulls to understand so let me say it another way. Kill in the field of battle, good. Kill or torture once captured, bad. Any questions morons?

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Re: The Obama American Kill List
Posted by: Question for you ()
Date: October 06, 2011 12:55PM

Is Yemen a battlefield?

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