I mean , after all, they think humans and monkeys are basically the same. I'm sure they would be thrilled to walk down the aisle with a chimp!

Their genetic makeup is different, it is a slight difference in numbers but any difference in that area is like a trip to the sun, Really, really big.

BibleBeliever2 Wrote:
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> I mean , after all, they think humans and monkeys
> are basically the same. I'm sure they would be
> thrilled to walk down the aisle with a chimp!

Ive been diving in the red sea.... Hate to tell ya but Moses didnt part it.

I think someone's confusing religion with evolution.

Clue: You can be religious and believe in evolution.

[and an aside - those who believe in evolution don't believe humans and monkeys are the same - you're just lacking in knowledge about what belief in evolutuion is all about. Those who believe in evolution believe monkeys and humans came from the same origin. In fact, those who believe in evolution and go back far enough in their thinking think ALL life on this planet came from the same origin. So I guess that means those who beleve in evolution think humans and bananas are the same thing]

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God created man in his own image.

Cool.

Why does God have a stomach? I bet the food he eats (*) is really tasty!

Come to think of it, why does God have a bladder or...well you get the idea.

(*) God eats!? Why!? Does he have to watch his weight?

BibleBeliever2 Wrote:
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> I mean , after all, they think humans and monkeys
> are basically the same. I'm sure they would be
> thrilled to walk down the aisle with a chimp!

Your sister LOOKS like a monkey, but I wouldn't marry her either.

Olde Farte Wrote:
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> Clue: You can be religious and believe in
> evolution.

I'm glad there are others that realize this...

>
>
> ==========
>
> God created man in his own image.
>
> Cool.

1up...

>
> Why does God have a stomach?

So he doesn't have to shit as soon as he eats...

> I bet the food he
> eats (*) is really tasty!

It's got to be heavenly...


>
> Come to think of it, why does God have a bladder
> or

I don't even know why anyone has a bladder? So he doesn't pee as soon as he drinks?

...well you get the idea.

I was with you until the why does god have a stomach and bladder thing... Now I'm moist, confused, and a little frightened..

>
> (*) God eats!? Why!?

Why not? Food is delicious... and Jesus is a whiz in the kitchen...

> Does he have to watch his
> weight?

I read in TMZ where he takes a mind over matter stance with his diet... If he don't mind, it don't matter...

He's kind of let himself go, but he's never been happier...

Signatures are for fags

BibleBeliever2 Wrote:
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> I mean , after all, they think humans and monkeys
> are basically the same. I'm sure they would be
> thrilled to walk down the aisle with a chimp!


The results of that pairing are refered to as "Moslems"

It would be interesting to see a human impregnate another species of primate, or vice versa. I bet the hybrid would look like Conie.

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> He's kind of let himself go, but he's never been
> happier...

Hey, me too!

I wonder is he has to worry about his cholesterol.

BibleBeliever2 Wrote:
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> I mean , after all, they think humans and monkeys
> are basically the same. I'm sure they would be
> thrilled to walk down the aisle with a chimp!


Science is so dumb.

Evoltion is like gravity. They are both theories.

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

Evolution carries with it alot of facts though. Theory supported by many facts, not all conclusive. But still pretty tough stuff.

You'll never convince me this world is merely thousands of years old. No way, no how.

I love how the ID types try to discredit Evolution because it's a Theory. Sorry, but there isn't even enough evidence for God to merit a Theory.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I love how the ID types try to discredit Evolution
> because it's a Theory. Sorry, but there isn't even
> enough evidence for God to merit a Theory.


I love how the ID types don't even make the slightest effort to learn what evolution actually is. If they took a few hours and learned what it is, it would make perfect sense to them.

To the Olde Fart who believes you can be religious and still believe in evolution, I'd like to know which religion(s) he/she is referring to. The big three Abrahamic religions fall apart under evolution.

Numbers Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love how the ID types try to discredit
> Evolution
> > because it's a Theory. Sorry, but there isn't
> even
> > enough evidence for God to merit a Theory.
>
>
> I love how the ID types don't even make the
> slightest effort to learn what evolution actually
> is. If they took a few hours and learned what it
> is, it would make perfect sense to them.
>
> To the Olde Fart who believes you can be religious
> and still believe in evolution, I'd like to know
> which religion(s) he/she is referring to. The big
> three Abrahamic religions fall apart under
> evolution.


Scientology for one.

Numbers Wrote:
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>
> To the Olde Fart who believes you can be religious
> and still believe in evolution, I'd like to know
> which religion(s) he/she is referring to. The big
> three Abrahamic religions fall apart under
> evolution.


It's possible to believe in a Creator and Evolution, but it's not the Creator from the Bible, for sure.

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Numbers Wrote:
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> To the Olde Fart who believes you can be religious
> and still believe in evolution, I'd like to know
> which religion(s) he/she is referring to. The big
> three Abrahamic religions fall apart under
> evolution.

As pointed out by Wash-etc, I said nothing about the Bible or its variants like the Koran or Torah.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Numbers Wrote:
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>
> >
> > To the Olde Fart who believes you can be
> religious
> > and still believe in evolution, I'd like to
> know
> > which religion(s) he/she is referring to. The
> big
> > three Abrahamic religions fall apart under
> > evolution.
>
>
> It's possible to believe in a Creator and
> Evolution, but it's not the Creator from the
> Bible, for sure.


Then what would it be? Its funny how people can believe Aliens populated our earth, but they cant fathom the possibility of a Superior intelligence aka God, our heavenly Father, creating the world out of His love. We fell from the Garden, and now of course, earth is crap.

I suppose I should note that my statement was "You can believe in evolution and be religious", not "I believe in..."

I do not believe in ghosts or goblins or things that go bump in the night.

> ...they can't fathom...

On the contrary, it's trivially easy to fathom your god (as long as one doesn't think about it too deeply, admittedly).

It's also trivially easy to discard the idea after minimal thought.

Teach a monkey to give a BJ and I'll consider it.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I love how the ID types try to discredit Evolution
> because it's a Theory. Sorry, but there isn't even
> enough evidence for God to merit a Theory.


They are confusing theory with hypothesis. Two words with very different meanings but sadly used interchangeably.

Famous Theories:
Theory of Evolution
Theory of Gravity
Theories of Relativity
Germ Theory of Disease
Modern Atomic Theory

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

And where would we be today if scientists and doctors etc said "fuck it, God did it"? When you say that, all further studying stops.

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

Monkeys can give BJs... just not very decent ones...

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> Teach a monkey to give a BJ and I'll consider it.

Signatures are for fags

If there is an intelligence behind the creation of the Universe, it's doubtful it would concern itself with our day to day well-being. Otherwise, why create a universe governed by chaos.

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Radiophile Wrote:
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> And where would we be today if scientists and
> doctors etc said "fuck it, God did it"? When you
> say that, all further studying stops.

Yeah, that explains why there were never any significant Christian scientists...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

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Radiophile Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I love how the ID types try to discredit
> Evolution
> > because it's a Theory. Sorry, but there isn't
> even
> > enough evidence for God to merit a Theory.
>
>
> They are confusing theory with hypothesis. Two
> words with very different meanings but sadly used
> interchangeably.
>
> Famous Theories:
> Theory of Evolution
> Theory of Gravity
> Theories of Relativity
> Germ Theory of Disease
> Modern Atomic Theory

Might have to remove or modify number 4 on your list.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/particles-faster-than-light-revolution-or-mistake/2011/09/23/gIQArpJzqK_story.html

Numbers Wrote:
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> To the Olde Fart who believes you can be religious
> and still believe in evolution, I'd like to know
> which religion(s) he/she is referring to. The big
> three Abrahamic religions fall apart under
> evolution.


Pfft.

Nonoverlapping magisteria.

The existence of God (whether the God of the Bible or Jefferson's Creator) is a philosophical and/or metaphsyical question, beyond the scope of science.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_noma.html

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> If there is an intelligence behind the creation of
> the Universe, it's doubtful it would concern
> itself with our day to day well-being. Otherwise,
> why create a universe governed by chaos.


Why even bother creating the universe(s), with all its inhospitable planets, huge blobs of gasses and chemicals, exploding stars and useless chunks of matter flying through space? Are they here for our amusement?

All this just for us? No wonder he was tired on the 7th day.

SoylentGreen Wrote:
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> Radiophile Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I love how the ID types try to discredit
> > Evolution
> > > because it's a Theory. Sorry, but there isn't
> > even
> > > enough evidence for God to merit a Theory.
> >
> >
> > They are confusing theory with hypothesis. Two
> > words with very different meanings but sadly
> used
> > interchangeably.
> >
> > Famous Theories:
> > Theory of Evolution
> > Theory of Gravity
> > Theories of Relativity
> > Germ Theory of Disease
> > Modern Atomic Theory
>
> Might have to remove or modify number 4 on your
> list.
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-scie
> nce/particles-faster-than-light-revolution-or-mist
> ake/2011/09/23/gIQArpJzqK_story.html


Theories, like science, can expand when new information is discovered. Scientists do not stop at some point and say "god did it".

Even if this neutrinos thing is true, I highly doubt planes will start falling from the sky.

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.

Lol
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>
> Might have to remove or modify number 4 on your
> list.
>

As the article notes, it could be a mistake of measurement. Also, the particle that did it was a neutrino, which is virtually mass-less, so there could be caveats for that.

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Why do Christians ridicule Hindus for their worship of cows when their own religion used the bull as the symbol of the preeminent deity of their founding relition?

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Evoltion is like gravity. They are both theories.



Yeah, gravity is such a dubious topic in scientific circles. There must be some mystical force that keeps us from floating away.

eesh Wrote:
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> Radiophile Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Evoltion is like gravity. They are both
> theories.
>
>
>
> Yeah, gravity is such a dubious topic in
> scientific circles. There must be some mystical
> force that keeps us from floating away.

Noo, the world is flat silly.

They do.

Leftist atheists love dating non-Whites.

The darker, the more sub-human, the less intelligent, the better.

Any White person who dates outside their race and doesn't stick to East Asians (they have IQs equivalent to our own) is literally making the human race and thus the world a worst place in a very real way...

Spics, a-rabs, South Asians, Central Asians and nigs should be totally off-limits to Whites who know anything about IQ, genetics and human history.

That's a dumb argument and I hope you'd know better.

Numbers Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If there is an intelligence behind the creation
> of
> > the Universe, it's doubtful it would concern
> > itself with our day to day well-being.
> Otherwise,
> > why create a universe governed by chaos.
>
>
> Why even bother creating the universe(s), with all
> its inhospitable planets, huge blobs of gasses and
> chemicals, exploding stars and useless chunks of
> matter flying through space? Are they here for our
> amusement?
>
> All this just for us? No wonder he was tired on
> the 7th day.

Signatures are for fags

Who's to say we are the only life in the universe...


Numbers Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If there is an intelligence behind the creation
> of
> > the Universe, it's doubtful it would concern
> > itself with our day to day well-being.
> Otherwise,
> > why create a universe governed by chaos.
>
>
> Why even bother creating the universe(s), with all
> its inhospitable planets, huge blobs of gasses and
> chemicals, exploding stars and useless chunks of
> matter flying through space? Are they here for our
> amusement?
>
> All this just for us? No wonder he was tired on
> the 7th day.

King Tutt missing the mark, as per usual...

Signatures are for fags

No, you missed the mark.

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> King Tutt missing the mark, as per usual...

Stay tuned for my new album "Tune in" available on iTunes this summer

Clarity and sanity is needed here. I think the OP question is really about why don't atheist marry negros....that interracial stuff. I know the real atheist type do all kind of sodom shit like animals doggie fucking, camel fucking, sheep fucking, cow fucking, etc, etc, etc, that is why they are atheist and they join PETA. A good friend liberal who was not a religious type until now. Daughter is dating a negro and he is pissed to the max especially when she pulled that "guess who coming to dinner?" shit on him. He told me she should have brought a real monkey to dinner and he would have felt little better and now he "praying" real hard what to do less than killing the daughter or the negro.


The "anon" poster named Atheist is obvously a bullshiter about himself being an atheist by his post because he would accept the sodom fact of his behavior and happily fuck a real monkey or animal in a instant and really its no big deal because that what atheists do best. So I'm going to beat atheist to the punch before you talk about my mother and sister that I don't have. Your momma is a monkey and your dumbass monkey loving daddy knocked on her to have your monkey loving ass. Now with that said, be a real an atheist and "shut the fuck up", nobody with a ounce of morals would listen to anything you got to say, even the mooslems don't play that monkey fucking shit but they do fuck camels, sheep and slave negros and claim to at least have morals in the name of some rock or dude named allah.

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Probably most conservative masterminds are atheists in heart and mind. Religion is just a tool to recruit the weak-minded and control their thoughts. Nobody really believes that shit. Because of the social structure of most societies, most have to pay homage to the dominant mythology since social advancement is important to material advancement as technical knowledge.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>

One of the most un-funny people to ever live. Sorry, but he sucked big time.

dika-dika Wrote:
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> Clarity and sanity is needed here. I think the OP
> question is really about why don't atheist marry
> negros....that interracial stuff. I know the
> real atheist type do all kind of sodom shit like
> animals doggie fucking, camel fucking, sheep
> fucking, cow fucking, etc, etc, etc, that is why
> they are atheist and they join PETA. A good
> friend liberal who was not a religious type until
> now. Daughter is dating a negro and he is pissed
> to the max especially when she pulled that "guess
> who coming to dinner?" shit on him. He told me
> she should have brought a real monkey to dinner
> and he would have felt little better and now he
> "praying" real hard what to do less than killing
> the daughter or the negro.
>
>
> The "anon" poster named Atheist is obvously a
> bullshiter about himself being an atheist by his
> post because he would accept the sodom fact of his
> behavior and happily fuck a real monkey or animal
> in a instant and really its no big deal because
> that what atheists do best. So I'm going to beat
> atheist to the punch before you talk about my
> mother and sister that I don't have. Your momma
> is a monkey and your dumbass monkey loving daddy
> knocked on her to have your monkey loving ass.
> Now with that said, be a real an atheist and "shut
> the fuck up", nobody with a ounce of morals would
> listen to anything you got to say, even the
> mooslems don't play that monkey fucking shit but
> they do fuck camels, sheep and slave negros and
> claim to at least have morals in the name of some
> rock or dude named allah.

The saddest part is you believe the stuff you write. You are destroying America.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> George Carlin video


Bill Hicks used to do the set where he debunked Christianity and Creationism with the dinosaur story.

My favorite line has to be "It's not a lie if you have faith." by George in Seinfeld.

Les Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > George Carlin video
>
>
> Bill Hicks used to do the set where he debunked
> Christianity and Creationism with the dinosaur
> story.
>
> My favorite line has to be "It's not a lie if you
> have faith." by George in Seinfeld.

A different type of man created by God existed with dinasours. They were wiped out. People put too much faith in Science which is fallible and Scientists re-tract stories on a daily basis.

They used to say cigarette smoking was good for you, too.

They can't exist since there was no earth before Genesis. Genesis is therefore contradicted by the discovery of various species of dinosaurs and mammals that predate modern man.

Then there would be no more monkeys in church silly...











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A Minor Threat

How do you figure?

postpoppunk Wrote:
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> Then there would be no more monkeys in church
> silly...

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SoultStirrer Wrote:
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>
> A different type of man created by God existed
> with dinasours. They were wiped out.




Proof?
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poopstick Wrote:
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> Teach a monkey to give a BJ and I'll consider it.

SoultStirrer Wrote:
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>
> A different type of man created by God existed
> with dinasours. They were wiped out. People put
> too much faith in Science which is fallible and
> Scientists re-tract stories on a daily basis.
>

It doesn't say that in the Bible. That's a pretty heretical statement for you to make. I'm sure you can try to rationalize it while you are burning in Hell.

> They used to say cigarette smoking was good for
> you, too.


Actually, the cigarette companies paid a few unethical doctors to make that claim. I don't think it was ever commonly accepted by the medical profession that cigarette smoking was good for you.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> If there is an intelligence behind the creation of
> the Universe, it's doubtful it would concern
> itself with our day to day well-being. Otherwise,
> why create a universe governed by chaos.

Interesting. You acknowledge the chaos of the universe and then think that there is enough order to have something as complex as a human beginning arise from it. You are at war with your own logic.

Les Wrote:
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> They can't exist since there was no earth before
> Genesis. Genesis is therefore contradicted by the
> discovery of various species of dinosaurs and
> mammals that predate modern man.


Dodo's don't exist either. I guess that proves.......what? Species rise and fall all the time. It can happen in as little as 20 years that a species goes from thriving to extinct. Look at honey bees. At the rate they are dying off, they could be extinct in less than 15 years. Species that are especially susceptible to outside factors, you know, like cold-blooded ones, are more prone to mass extinction. The finding of species that no longer exist proves nothing.

Trooth Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If there is an intelligence behind the creation
> of
> > the Universe, it's doubtful it would concern
> > itself with our day to day well-being.
> Otherwise,
> > why create a universe governed by chaos.
>
> Interesting. You acknowledge the chaos of the
> universe and then think that there is enough order
> to have something as complex as a human beginning
> arise from it. You are at war with your own
> logic.


No I'm not. Take billions of stars with trillions of planets over billions of years and randomly throw things together and invariably you could arrive at something like human life without there being a "Creator" involved. Even on Earth, it's taken nearly a billion years and countless species that have gone extinct to arrive at humans in the past million years.

The only reason humans are exceptional is because we are humans and perceive ourselves to be exceptional. In the grand scheme of things, we may be as exceptional as a piece of coal. We just don't know it yet.

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WTL,

Read Cosmos, Bios and Theos and then get back to me on your "theories". When you can stand toe to toe with 60 leading scientists, including 24 noble prize winners and get around their findings and theories, then perhaps you'll have the cred to talk about where are came from and how things were and are. Otherwise, you're just another uninformed believer who clings to a theory that makes less sense than the biblical version of things.

Trooth Wrote:
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> WTL,
>
> Read Cosmos, Bios and Theos and then get back to
> me on your "theories". When you can stand toe to
> toe with 60 leading scientists, including 24 noble
> prize winners and get around their findings and
> theories,

This book offers scientific proof of god?

Trooth Wrote:
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> WTL,
>
> Read Cosmos, Bios and Theos and then get back to
> me on your "theories". When you can stand toe to
> toe with 60 leading scientists, including 24 noble
> prize winners and get around their findings and
> theories, then perhaps you'll have the cred to
> talk about where are came from and how things were
> and are. Otherwise, you're just another
> uninformed believer who clings to a theory that
> makes less sense than the biblical version of
> things.

Less sense than the biblical version of things? Thats one of the funniest statements Ive read in a while. A virgin was impregnated. A supernatural being had a human son. Moses parted the red sea. Adam and Eve were living in a garden and they populated the entire earth but no incest was involved..... I could go on and on and on

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
>
> No I'm not. Take billions of stars with trillions
> of planets over billions of years and randomly
> throw things together and invariably you could
> arrive at something like human life without there
> being a "Creator" involved. Even on Earth, it's
> taken nearly a billion years and countless species
> that have gone extinct to arrive at humans in the
> past million years.
>
> The only reason humans are exceptional is because
> we are humans and perceive ourselves to be
> exceptional. In the grand scheme of things, we may
> be as exceptional as a piece of coal. We just
> don't know it yet.

But, you wrote that the universe is governed by chaos. Based on the laws of Thermodynamics, chaos and disorganization are the natural order of things. So how does anything get more organized or less chaotic over thousands, millions or billions of years? The universe requires an organizer. Some call Him the creator, some call Him the designer, some call Him God. Follow your own logic.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Trooth Wrote:
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> -----
> > WTL,
> >
> > Read Cosmos, Bios and Theos and then get back
> to
> > me on your "theories". When you can stand toe
> to
> > toe with 60 leading scientists, including 24
> noble
> > prize winners and get around their findings and
> > theories,
>
> This book offers scientific proof of god?


This book offers essays from dozens and dozens of leading scientists. Some essays are more God-centric, some lay out the absurdity of the theory of evolution in mathematical impossibilities, others discuss intelligent design and others challenge biblical possibilities. It is a rounded perspective where different opinions are offered.

JBass Wrote:
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> -----
>
>
> Less sense than the biblical version of things?
> Thats one of the funniest statements Ive read in a
> while. A virgin was impregnated. A supernatural
> being had a human son. Moses parted the red sea.
> Adam and Eve were living in a garden and they
> populated the entire earth but no incest was
> involved..... I could go on and on and on

If you believe in God, then all of those things make sense. The chances of man developing via evolution has been calculated to be 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power. Cling to that number and see how you far you go.

Trooth Wrote:
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> This book offers essays from dozens and dozens of
> leading scientists.


Dozens and dozens? What about the thousands of other scientists who all agree on evolution?

> Some essays are more
> God-centric, some lay out the absurdity of the
> theory of evolution in mathematical
> impossibilities,


Mathematical impossibilities? Such as? Do they also have mathematical evidence for a creator?


> others discuss intelligent design
> and others challenge biblical possibilities. It
> is a rounded perspective where different opinions
> are offered.


Are any offered from an evolution standpoint, by people that actually understand evolution?

Trooth Wrote:
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>
> different opinions are offered

Opinions, no thank you.

I don't doubt that there are "leading scientists" who get some kind of irrational comfort from their faith in christianity. But that doesn't make their opinions valid. A guy with a PhD in Quantum Mechanics might have faith that Amon-Ra the Sun God created the universe. That doesn't mean I'd believe him.

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> > -----
> >
> >
> > Less sense than the biblical version of things?
>
> > Thats one of the funniest statements Ive read in
> a
> > while. A virgin was impregnated. A
> supernatural
> > being had a human son. Moses parted the red
> sea.
> > Adam and Eve were living in a garden and they
> > populated the entire earth but no incest was
> > involved..... I could go on and on and on
>
> If you believe in God, then all of those things
> make sense. The chances of man developing via
> evolution has been calculated to be 1 in 10 to the
> 40,000th power. Cling to that number and see how
> you far you go.


So you use science when it suits you and faith when it doesnt. Moses didnt part the red sea, people did not walk across it. There is a close to 100' vertical coral reef that spans damn near the entire sea. Id love to see how that razor sharp coral and vertical plunge treated their feet and legs. Get outta here with your faith. That man claims to understand the creation of this world or any other just shows how fallible we really are.

There is less and less proof of Darwinian evolution as a plausible theory of man (Darwinism doesn't involve any theory of how the earth and universe came to be). It takes more faith to believe the mathematically improbabilities of Darwinism than the Bible. Yet, the atheists are anchored to Darwin's improbable theories as if they have some proof. None exists. Dinosaur bones don't prove it. The fossil records don't prove it (in fact, it tends to disprove it). Carbon dating has recently been shown to be questionable. Nothing in the Bible has ever been disproved, including historical and archeological statements. So, a dispassionate bystander must ask, why the rabid need to dismiss God and the Bible with such scant evidence. Inquiring minds want to know

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> > -----
> > > -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Less sense than the biblical version of
> things?
> >
> > > Thats one of the funniest statements Ive read
> in
> > a
> > > while. A virgin was impregnated. A
> > supernatural
> > > being had a human son. Moses parted the red
> > sea.
> > > Adam and Eve were living in a garden and they
> > > populated the entire earth but no incest was
> > > involved..... I could go on and on and on
> >
> > If you believe in God, then all of those things
> > make sense. The chances of man developing via
> > evolution has been calculated to be 1 in 10 to
> the
> > 40,000th power. Cling to that number and see
> how
> > you far you go.
>
>
> So you use science when it suits you and faith
> when it doesnt. Moses didnt part the red sea,
> people did not walk across it. There is a close
> to 100' vertical coral reef that spans damn near
> the entire sea. Id love to see how that razor
> sharp coral and vertical plunge treated their feet
> and legs. Get outta here with your faith. That
> man claims to understand the creation of this
> world or any other just shows how fallible we
> really are.


I think you confuse math and science. Math is no more a science than language is. It is a tool, used by science as well as bankers, jump rope skippers and countless (hee, hee) others in their everyday lives.

You seem so angry. Why?

> So, a dispassionate bystander must ask, why
> the rabid need to dismiss God and the Bible with such scant evidence.
> Inquiring minds want to know

It's unfalsifiable. That doesn't make it true.

I have the ability to leap 1,000 feet into the air, as long as no one is watching me.

Disprove that.

You can't. You can either have faith in my ability to jump that high, or you could dismiss it as untrue.

Besides, it's not an atheist's job to disprove god. It's a christian's job to prove their god exists.

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> Nothing in the Bible has ever been
> disproved, including historical and archeological
> statements.




Yet Jesus was never mentioned outside the Bible (apart from hoaxes by fraudulent theologians). If you want to read something interesting, look up the historical analysis of who Jesus was. You will find that the time-line created by the Bible is full of holes.

Also, do you think Jonah and the whale is a scientifically sound story?

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>
> But, you wrote that the universe is governed by
> chaos. Based on the laws of Thermodynamics, chaos
> and disorganization are the natural order of
> things. So how does anything get more organized
> or less chaotic over thousands, millions or
> billions of years? The universe requires an
> organizer. Some call Him the creator, some call
> Him the designer, some call Him God. Follow your
> own logic.


You need to read up on Chaos Theory. Chaos is not the same as random. Attractors do create some sense of order on a very small scale within Chaos. To make things truly random takes an outside influence. The fact that there is human life is a better case for Chaos Theory than it is for the idea of a Creator who can't predict Lucifer will undermine him or know that his creations have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge until he realizes they are ashamed of their nakedness.

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> It takes more faith to
> believe the mathematically improbabilities of
> Darwinism than the Bible.



LOL What mathematical improbabilities? Examples?

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> Nothing in the Bible has ever been
> disproved, including historical and archeological
> statements.


Actually, you need to read Misquoting Jesus. The whole "casting the first stone" story never happened. There's documented proof of it.

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TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Trooth Wrote:
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> >
> > different opinions are offered
>
> Opinions, no thank you.
>
> I don't doubt that there are "leading scientists"
> who get some kind of irrational comfort from their
> faith in christianity. But that doesn't make
> their opinions valid. A guy with a PhD in Quantum
> Mechanics might have faith that Amon-Ra the Sun
> God created the universe. That doesn't mean I'd
> believe him.


Then don't read it and remain ignorant to the views expressed. It is a collection of essays that bind the universe, life and belief written by folks with more credibility in the area than most. No skin off my nose.

Can God be proven? No. Can evolution be proven? No. They are all based on arriving at an opinion based on the evidence provided or, in some cases, in blind faith (on both sides). Why is all the vitriol from the scoffers only from one side of that equation? Inquiring minds want to know.

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>
> Can God be proven? No.

Because he doesn't exist.

> Can evolution be proven?
> No.

Yes, and it has been.

> They are all based on arriving at an opinion
> based on the evidence provided or, in some cases,
> in blind faith (on both sides).

There is proof of Evolution. There is absolutely no physical proof that God exists.

> Why is all the
> vitriol from the scoffers only from one side of
> that equation? Inquiring minds want to know.


Read your Bible. It has answers for this, right?

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Trooth Wrote:
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> > Nothing in the Bible has ever been
> > disproved, including historical and
> archeological
> > statements.
>
>
> Actually, you need to read Misquoting Jesus. The
> whole "casting the first stone" story never
> happened. There's documented proof of it.

I suggest you read Fabricating Jesus by Craig Evans. It lays out quite well how present day scholars have tried to marginalize the Gospel. Again, Erhman interprets things to arrive at an opinion, one that he has admitting to having before he researched the validity of the Bible. While Erhman does bring up some good questions, his own bias as a fallen Christian led him to conclusions that he wanted to be lead to, not where an unbiased researcher would ever go. And thus, he proves nothing in his book. The DSS prove that the variations in the Bible from one transcript to the next are almost non-existent. I supposed you believe that I should watch The DaVinci Code too.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Trooth Wrote:
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> -----
>
> >
> > Can God be proven? No.
>
> Because he doesn't exist.
>
> > Can evolution be proven?
> > No.
>
> Yes, and it has been.
>
> > They are all based on arriving at an opinion
> > based on the evidence provided or, in some
> cases,
> > in blind faith (on both sides).
>
> There is proof of Evolution. There is absolutely
> no physical proof that God exists.
>
> > Why is all the
> > vitriol from the scoffers only from one side of
> > that equation? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
>
> Read your Bible. It has answers for this, right?


Of course. But even without the Bible, common sense certainly does.

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> > So, a dispassionate bystander must ask, why
> > the rabid need to dismiss God and the Bible with
> such scant evidence.
> > Inquiring minds want to know
>
> It's unfalsifiable. That doesn't make it true.
>
> I have the ability to leap 1,000 feet into the
> air, as long as no one is watching me.
>
> Disprove that.
>
> You can't. You can either have faith in my
> ability to jump that high, or you could dismiss it
> as untrue.
>
> Besides, it's not an atheist's job to disprove
> god. It's a christian's job to prove their god
> exists.


No one can prove God exists or does not exist. Yet, the atheist states their opinion as fact, based on science. Science neither proves not disproves the existence of God. The rise of Intelligent Design in the scientific community is mostly due to the many problems that unbiased scientists have with Darwinism and evolution but don't want to believe in the God of the Bible.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Trooth Wrote:
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> -----
>
> >
> > But, you wrote that the universe is governed by
> > chaos. Based on the laws of Thermodynamics,
> chaos
> > and disorganization are the natural order of
> > things. So how does anything get more
> organized
> > or less chaotic over thousands, millions or
> > billions of years? The universe requires an
> > organizer. Some call Him the creator, some
> call
> > Him the designer, some call Him God. Follow
> your
> > own logic.
>
>
> You need to read up on Chaos Theory. Chaos is not
> the same as random. Attractors do create some
> sense of order on a very small scale within Chaos.
> To make things truly random takes an outside
> influence. The fact that there is human life is a
> better case for Chaos Theory than it is for the
> idea of a Creator who can't predict Lucifer will
> undermine him or know that his creations have
> eaten from the Tree of Knowledge until he realizes
> they are ashamed of their nakedness.

Chaos is lack or absence of order. I don't know why you tried to equate it to randomness. Lack of order would not lead to the development of order, or complex beings. Randomness could. But the laws of Thermodynamics establish that the natural law of the universe is disorder, not randomness. So your views are still not logically consistent.

> Then don't read it and remain ignorant to the views expressed.

I don't need to eat an entire plate of rotten food to know that it is spoiled. I looked at a few quotes from it, it's people's untestable opinions on religion.

So how big would you estimate Noahs ark would have to be to house 2 of every species on the face of the planet?

How do you propose Noah physically gathered all of the species? Especially since new species are discovered every year. Wouldnt Noah have kept a record of such creatures?

Did the Ark have a super giant fish tank for all of the marine life?

How did Noah feed all the animals? How did he keep lion from eating zebra?

Your blind faith proves nothing more than that there is wool over your eyes. Have you ever seen Cro-magnon man, other remains of our ancient ancestors. You cant take an objective look and decipher that we came from them?

Where is it said that carbon dating is not as reliable as we thought?

>. The rise of Intelligent Design in the scientific community is mostly due

It's a knee-jerk reaction by the religious right in response to the growing secularism in this country over the past 50 years.

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nakedness.
>
> Chaos is lack or absence of order. I don't know
> why you tried to equate it to randomness. Lack of
> order would not lead to the development of order,
> or complex beings. Randomness could. But the
> laws of Thermodynamics establish that the natural
> law of the universe is disorder, not randomness.
> So your views are still not logically consistent.

You are confusing the term Chaos with Chaos Theory.

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Nothing Trooth? Would you care to answer any of my numerous pertinent questions?

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> Nothing Trooth? Would you care to answer any of
> my numerous pertinent questions?


Here's the deal. Trooth is your typical religious type who professes faith and then tries to discredit science to prove his faith. The fact is, you have faith in God or you don't. If you want to get into a debate about the scientific validity of God, you'll lose.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> JBass Wrote:
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> > Nothing Trooth? Would you care to answer any
> of
> > my numerous pertinent questions?
>
>
> Here's the deal. Trooth is your typical religious
> type who professes faith and then tries to
> discredit science to prove his faith. The fact is,
> you have faith in God or you don't. If you want to
> get into a debate about the scientific validity of
> God, you'll lose.


Here's the deal: I profess faith in God. I also profess that there is no more scientific validity in Darwinism than there is validity to what is in the Bible. I don't proffer that science proved God. I also profess that there are significant and, as of today, insurmountable holes in Darwin's theory of evolution. That is what this thread was about, Darwin's theory of evolution, not in the existence of God (Biblical God or otherwise). Yet, instead of just manning up and stating that Darwinism is more a hoax than the Bible, everyone tries to either change the subject (how big was Noah's ark) or start questioning the New Testament (again, dodging the issue). And the fact is, either you have faith in Darwinian evolution or you don't. And the math just doesn't add up to support it. That's the deal. No more, no less.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> >. The rise of Intelligent Design in the
> scientific community is mostly due
>
> It's a knee-jerk reaction by the religious right
> in response to the growing secularism in this
> country over the past 50 years.


for the most part, the religious right doesn't subscribe to Intelligent Design. It is non-Christians who support it because it allows them to remain untethered to an absolute right and wrong while still being able to free themselves from the more and more scientifically indefensible position of Darwinian evolution.

Trooth Wrote:
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>
> there is no more scientific validity
> in Darwinism than there is validity to what is in
> the Bible.

Except one is a body of scientific knowledge, and the other is a collection of heavily edited bronze-age fairy tales about a human sacrifice who was actually 1 of the three parts of "God", who was killed so that all the sins of people born in the future could be washed away.

It's complete fucking nonsense.

Trooth Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > JBass Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Nothing Trooth? Would you care to answer any
> > of
> > > my numerous pertinent questions?
> >
> >
> > Here's the deal. Trooth is your typical
> religious
> > type who professes faith and then tries to
> > discredit science to prove his faith. The fact
> is,
> > you have faith in God or you don't. If you want
> to
> > get into a debate about the scientific validity
> of
> > God, you'll lose.
>
>
> Here's the deal: I profess faith in God. I also
> profess that there is no more scientific validity
> in Darwinism than there is validity to what is in
> the Bible. I don't proffer that science proved
> God. I also profess that there are significant
> and, as of today, insurmountable holes in Darwin's
> theory of evolution. That is what this thread was
> about, Darwin's theory of evolution, not in the
> existence of God (Biblical God or otherwise).
> Yet, instead of just manning up and stating that
> Darwinism is more a hoax than the Bible, everyone
> tries to either change the subject (how big was
> Noah's ark) or start questioning the New Testament
> (again, dodging the issue). And the fact is,
> either you have faith in Darwinian evolution or
> you don't. And the math just doesn't add up to
> support it. That's the deal. No more, no less.

You claim that the events in the Bible actually happened (Even though most Christians have gone ahead and admitted that they are more a set of stories by which you should learn values and morals to live your life than actual events) but then ignore questions that refute your statement. Darwinism is less plausible than Noah's ark, you say.

I ask "so you dont see any correlation between our ancient ancestors (cromagnon man, neanderthal man) and ourselves, but you ignore.

I ask specific details about this ark, which would have been a bigger feat than putting a man on the moon, but you refuse to answer.

No, I have not changed the subject nor evaded any line of questioning. I chalenge the validity of your statement and give you the opportunity to defend it, but you tip-toe off and accuse me of changing the subject. Flat out, if you think a mortal man built a ship large enough to sustain 2 of every single creature on the face of this planet then you are a complete idiot. Period. No if, ands or buts. It is not possible by todays standards of engineering and feasibility and certainly not by yesteryears!



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TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Trooth Wrote:
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> >
> > there is no more scientific validity
> > in Darwinism than there is validity to what is
> in
> > the Bible.
>
> Except one is a body of scientific knowledge, and
> the other is a collection of heavily edited
> bronze-age fairy tales about a human sacrifice who
> was actually 1 of the three parts of "God", who
> was killed so that all the sins of people born in
> the future could be washed away.
>
> It's complete fucking nonsense.


Wow no bias in that statement. And with such certitude too. Bad science is worse than fairy tales. But don't let that get in the way of your holy war. Makes no nevermind to me.

Christianity is the biggest hoax in the history of mankind. Christianity is the biggest pyramid scheme in the history of mankind.

TROOTH,

I read through all your garbage and came to one conclusion. You are wrong.

Most likely some religious nut job.

All your "evidence" has come from this one book of essays you mentioned.

Well I have news for you, there are thousands if not millions of SCHOLARLY essays
that show very clear evidence as to how the universe was created; evolution; and other
science you dispel.

While we will never have the answer to everything and we may be wrong at times... We
look at all the puzzle pieces we have and make theories that are based in fact and reality.

If modern notions in science were put on trial they would win
because the preponderance of evidence is on the side of leading
scientific theories.

friskydingo Wrote:
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> If modern notions in science were put on trial
> they would win
> because the preponderance of evidence is on the
> side of leading
> scientific theories.


+10

Please explain to me why you are trying to reason with someone that has made it obvious they are incapable of logic. Stop feeding the Meade!

So Evolution is mathematically impossible, yet flooding of the entire world isn't?

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> So Evolution is mathematically impossible, yet
> flooding of the entire world isn't?


What I love most about the probability ratio stated above is that given that there are billions of planets in the universe, eventually the lottery hit and BAM! here we are. So even giving me numbers of that magnitude are insignificant when compared to the size of the universe. Oh, unless all of the images from the hubble telescope are all CGI.

What are the mathematical odds that a communion wafer would actually turn into Christ's flesh so that people could eat it (transubstantiation)?

Speaking of math, Trooth noted that nothing has been proven false about the claims made in the Bible....

Adam lived 930 years. (Genesis 5:5)

Seth lived 912 years.(Genesis 5:8)

Methuselah lived 969 years.(Genesis 5:27)

And Noah lived 950 years. (Genesis 9:29)

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>
>
> Then what would it be? Its funny how people can
> believe Aliens populated our earth, but they cant
> fathom the possibility of a Superior intelligence
> aka God, our heavenly Father, creating the world
> out of His love. We fell from the Garden, and now
> of course, earth is crap.


Creating the world out of love. Sorry, this just can not be. If there is a deity as you describe, it is omniscient and omnipotent, and certainly not human. Love is a human emotion and would be completely wrong to expect a deity to have human emotions.

Fairfaxunderground rules: Lilliputions, not ok. Midgettville ok. I got it now.