We're back for another Year!
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Let's start with some predictions,,,

Grossman will be the starter,,,

The Redskins will have a better record than the Vikings,,,*

Hightower will rush for 1,000 yards this season,,,

The defense will finish in the top 15,,,

The offense will finish in the top 15,,,

The Redskins will beat the Giants in the opener,,,

Washington will be in the hunt for a wild card into the last few weeks of the season,,

The Redskins will finish 9-7

WTL will tear this list apart,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Let's start with some predictions,,,
>
> Grossman will be the starter,,,
>
> The Redskins will have a better record than the
> Vikings,,,*
>
> Hightower will rush for 1,000 yards this
> season,,,
>
> The defense will finish in the top 15,,,
>
> The offense will finish in the top 15,,,
>
> The Redskins will beat the Giants in the
> opener,,,
>
> Washington will be in the hunt for a wild card
> into the last few weeks of the season,,
>
> The Redskins will finish 9-7
>
> WTL will tear this list apart,,,


Dan Synder will pull at least one douchebag move.

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Let's start with some predictions,,,
>

We've had earthquakes & hurricanes, I predict the next disaster to strike this area will be the 2011 Redskins season.

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> > Let's start with some predictions,,,
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> We've had earthquakes & hurricanes, I predict the
> next disaster to strike this area will be the 2011
> Redskins season.

Now's the time to make your predictions official, etch it in stone. so at the end of the season you can say "SEE I WAS RIGHT!"

And what's more important than that?

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Let's start with some predictions,,,
>
> Grossman will be the starter,,,yes
>
> The Redskins will have a better record than the
> Vikings,,,*no
>
> Hightower will rush for 1,000 yards this
> season,,, yes
>
> The defense will finish in the top 15,,,no
>
> The offense will finish in the top 15,,,no
>
> The Redskins will beat the Giants in the
> opener,,,yes
>
> Washington will be in the hunt for a wild card
> into the last few weeks of the season,,no
>
> The Redskins will finish 9-7 LOL!!!
>
> WTL will tear this list apart,,,



Clusterfuck drama will entrench itself by week 6.

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I think they need a new Quarter Back to play shortstop. The defense needs a better line of scrimmage, and Bart Farv needs to snap the ball on more first downs for a better batting average. No more free-throws, and leave it all out on the field. Give 100 and 10 percent. None of this would be possible without God, our lord and savior. John Madden should be transferred to Field Goalie. Better lay-ups, no more birdies. Improve the running game, fewer RBI's. And bring Joe Gibbs back.

I hope Stallworth makes the team,,,

If one catch can get you on the team this is the catch,,,
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It's being reported by Washington Post insider that 8(!) recievers will make the team,,,Santana, Gaffney,Hankerson,Armstrong,Austin,Banks,AND Niles Paul and Donte Stallworth,,,

Kellen Clemens has been released, just 2 QB's on the final 53

Keiland Williams was also released,,.no surprise there

Kind of a surprise,,,Chris Horton (S) was released,,,

I thought with Landry's questionable status they would keep him as insurance,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> Let's start with some predictions,,,
>
> Grossman will be the starter,,,
>

He should be, but not sure he will be.

> The Redskins will have a better record than the
> Vikings,,,*
>

No.

> Hightower will rush for 1,000 yards this
> season,,,
>

Possibly no, because it will be "running back by committee" and while the running game will be effective, the yards will be spread out.

> The defense will finish in the top 15,,,
>

Yes.

> The offense will finish in the top 15,,,
>

No.

> The Redskins will beat the Giants in the
> opener,,,
>

Nope.

> Washington will be in the hunt for a wild card
> into the last few weeks of the season,,
>

No.

> The Redskins will finish 9-7
>

No.

> WTL will tear this list apart,,,

Yes.

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> Kind of a surprise,,,Chris Horton (S) was
> released,,,
>
> I thought with Landry's questionable status they
> would keep him as insurance,,,


They can use Doughty in SS. I have not problem with them cutting Horton. He had a great start but really hasn't done much since.

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> It's being reported by Washington Post insider
> that 8(!) recievers will make the team,,,Santana,
> Gaffney,Hankerson,Armstrong,Austin,Banks,AND Niles
> Paul and Donte Stallworth,,,
>


I have no problem with them dropping a third QB, but the fact that they kept 8 WR screams "cluster fuck." They can't make a decision? The question is, which positions now lack depth because of this decision?

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I was thinking the same thing,,,there's 7 good WRs and 1 football,,,

Banks is of course a return man only, he'd be the one I'd cut

Maybe they think they can trade one of them, doubt they can though

One or two are bound to get hurt,,,

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> I was thinking the same thing,,,there's 7 good WRs
> and 1 football,,,
>
> Banks is of course a return man only, he'd be the
> one I'd cut
>
> Maybe they think they can trade one of them, doubt
> they can though
>
> One or two are bound to get hurt,,,

There is a glut of receivers on the market. Doubt they will have much trade value.

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I think Banks is probably the only one who you could get a low round pick for, only because he's a return specialist,,,

The rule change hurts most return guys, but I think his unusual speed and size combo make him a threat to take it out of the endzone and return it for extra yards or score,,,

Here's where we stand at the end of the day,,,

From Washington Post Insider,,,

Posted at 08:01 PM ET, 09/03/2011
Redskins get down to 53
By Mike Jones
The Washington Redskins have reached league-mandated 53-man roster limit following a round of cuts today.

If you’ve been following along at home or on your phone all day, you already have seen these names. If you’re just catching up, the cuts are as follows:

Quarterbacks Kellen Clemens and Matt Gutierrez

Running backs Keiland Williams, Evan Royster and Shaun Draughn

Receivers Aldrick Robinson, Isaac Anderson

Tight ends Tony Curtis and Derek Schouman

Offensive linemen Selvish Scapers, Clint Oldenburg, Artis Hicks, Maurice Hurt and Donovan Raiola

Defensive linemen Anthony Bryant, Doug Worthington

Linebackers Horatio Blades, Edgar Jones and Thaddeus Young

Cornerback Reggie Jones

Safeties Anderson Russell, Chris Horton and Davonte Shannon

The Redskins had tried to trade Hicks, and one of the teams they were talking to was the Cleveland Browns, according to the backup guard/tackle. But the two sides weren’t able to agree to terms, so Hicks will be released.


The biggest surprise of the day was rookie nose tackle Chris Neild beating out fifth-year veteran Anthony Bryant for the backup job to Barry Cofield.

The Redskins’ roster currently stands as follows, although you can bet that the team will scour the waiver wire and make some additional moves.

Quarterback (2): John Beck and Rex Grossman

Running back (3): Tim Hightower, Roy Helu, Ryan Torain

Fullback (2): Darrel Young, Mike Sellers

Wide receiver (8): Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Leonard Hankerson, Brandon Banks, Niles Paul, Donte Stallworth

Tight end (3): Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

Offensive line (8): LT Trent Williams, LG Kory Lichtensteiger, C Will Montgomery, RG Chris Chester and RT Jammal Brown,T Sean Locklear, C/G Erik Cook, T Willie Smith

Defensive line (6): NTs Barry Cofield, Chris Neild, DEs Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Darrion Scott

Linebackers (9): Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Lorenzo Alexander, Markus White, London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Perry Riley, Keyaron Fox

Cornerbacks (5 available, 1 suspended): DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Kevin Barnes, Byron Westbrook, Brandyn Thompson, Phillip Buchanon (suspended for four games)

Safeties (4 healthy, 1 injured): LaRon Landry, Oshiomogho Atogwe, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes, Kareem Moore (pup list)

Special teams (3): K Graham Gano, LS Nick Sundburg, P Sav Rocca

The Redskins held onto eight of the 12 rookies they drafted With outside linebacker Ryan Kerrigan (first-round), Hankerson (third round), Helu (fourth), Gomes (fifth), Paul (fifth), Thompson (seventh), White (seventh) and Neild (seventh) all made the team. Second-round pick Jarvis Jenkins would have made the team, but is on injured reserve with a torn ACL. Not making the team were Royster (sixth-rounder), Robinson (sixth) and Hurt (seventh).

Those players are candidates for the practice squad, but first must clear waivers, meaning if another team doesn’t pick them up, then Washington could re-sign them to the eight-man practice squad. Practice squad players don’t dress for games, and don’t travel for road games.

Washington currently has only three definitely healthy safeties on the roster in Reed, Atogwe and Gomes. Landry has been slowed by a hamstring, but isn’t expected to open the season on the PUP list. Moore definitely will open the season on the PUP list, so he doesn’t count against the 53. And Buchanon is suspended for four games and doesn’t count against the 53, either.

The team currently has eight wide receivers, which is unusual. Normally teams carry five to six receivers.

The Redskins also don’t have a backup guard with Hicks being released. Cook is listed as a guard/center, but in practice only plays center. Washington also is a little thin when it comes to defensive ends. Carriker and Bowen will start, but as far as their backups go, Golston started 13 games last season, but Scott appeared in only two gam

Now that we know who's on the team, we can look foward to the 28th hardest schedule in the NFL,,,the main reason I think the Redskins will compete this season,,,

Washington Redskins 2011 Schedule
Wk Date Matchup TV Time
1 Sun, Sept. 11 vs. New York Giants FOX 4:15 p.m.

2 Sun, Sept. 18 vs. Arizona Cardinals FOX 1 p.m.

3 Mon, Sept. 26 at Dallas Cowboys ESPN 8:30 p.m.

4 Sun, Oct. 2 at St. Louis Rams FOX 1 p.m.

5 Bye

6 Sun, Oct. 16 vs. Philadelphia Eagles FOX 1 p.m.

7 Sun, Oct. 23 at Carolina Panthers FOX 1 p.m.

8 Sun, Oct. 30 at Buffalo Bills FOX 4:05 p.m.

9 Sun, Nov. 6 vs. San Francisco 49ers FOX 1 p.m.

10 Sun, Nov. 13 at Miami Dolphins FOX 1 p.m.

11 Sun, Nov. 20 vs. Dallas Cowboys FOX 1 p.m.

12 Sun, Nov. 27 at Seattle Seahawks FOX 4:05 p.m.

13 Sun, Dec. 4 vs. New York Jets CBS 1 p.m.

14 Sun, Dec. 11 vs. New England Patriots CBS 1 p.m.

15 Sun, Dec. 18 at New York Giants FOX 1 p.m.

16 Sat, Dec. 24 vs. Minnesota Vikings FOX 1 p.m.

17 Sun, Jan. 1 at Philadelphia Eagles FOX 1 p.m.

We dont have enough offensive or defensive linemen to last six weeks let alone 17+.

I hope we sign a few more big guys for the trenches or we are not going to go anywhere this season, especially if we get a wild card berth.

At least we're not hearing about all the pounds our lines are dropping like in C Samuels last year. That was the stupidest logic ever, EVER! Get those guys some Tub's o lard/kfc/famous daves, we should shoot for a 312lb average.



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I think if a good free agent lineman on either side of the ball is available, they'll cut a linebacker or two,,,

No depth at O-Line and D-Line, but a surplus at receiver. How many five receiver sets do they expect to run? This sounds kind of fucked up to me.

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I was thinking about this,,,this could be an elaborate scheme to eventually get one of these guys to the practice squad,,,Once everyones rosters are set in the first couple of weeks, they might be able to release a young guy and get him on the practice squad without as many teams looking to fill holes,,,

One thing you have to give the Shanahans credit for,,,they reduced the avg. age of the team to 25.5 years old,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> I was thinking about this,,,this could be an
> elaborate scheme to eventually get one of these
> guys to the practice squad,,,Once everyones
> rosters are set in the first couple of weeks, they
> might be able to release a young guy and get him
> on the practice squad without as many teams
> looking to fill holes,,,
>
> One thing you have to give the Shanahans credit
> for,,,they reduced the avg. age of the team to
> 25.5 years old,,,


For an offense and defense based on speed, it seems like they have made some good decisions. However, a lack of depth on the DL and OL has been a chronic problem with the Redskins from the day Danny Boy took over. I don't understand the decision to leave the DL and OL exposed for, of all positions, receiver! You can run two and three receiver sets. You can't run the lines or secondary without enough personnel, including backup personnel. I really don't understand their thinking on this.

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Rex Grossman has been named the starter for the opening game against the Giants,,,

I think that is the right decision, no way John Beck is ready for the Giant's defense in his first start,,,

Guess Beck was a pretty good pawn for the Shannies. Wonder how he feels being played?

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He may still get to start this season, they probably want him to be the guy at the end of the season,not have him flame out the first few games under the pressure and scrutiny of the fans and media,,,

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Guess Beck was a pretty good pawn for the
> Shannies. Wonder how he feels being played?


Who are you, Jason Reid? It was an open competition. Beck didn't get played. And even if I believed some conspiracy theory out there, third stringers by definition can't be played. They're third stringers--fodder.

Beck was played. He went out there advertising that he was the starter, which prompted Grossman to sign for the minimum. It was another negotiating trick from Shanny Sr.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Beck was played. He went out there advertising
> that he was the starter, which prompted Grossman
> to sign for the minimum. It was another
> negotiating trick from Shanny Sr.


I don't think that makes much sense. Grossman was a free agent. If Shanny named Beck as a starter that early, Grossman would have bailed for more money and a chance at starting somewhere else. If anything, Shanny's only play was to insist that it was an open competition, which he in fact did.

ushgh Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > Beck was played. He went out there advertising
> > that he was the starter, which prompted
> Grossman
> > to sign for the minimum. It was another
> > negotiating trick from Shanny Sr.
>
>
> I don't think that makes much sense. Grossman was
> a free agent. If Shanny named Beck as a starter
> that early, Grossman would have bailed for more
> money and a chance at starting somewhere else. If
> anything, Shanny's only play was to insist that it
> was an open competition, which he in fact did.


ESPN and other sports outlets were being told by sources within the Redskins that it was Beck's job to lose. Grossman got desperate that he might miss out on a chance to start and signed with the Redskins for the minimum, possibly prematurely, to salvage a shot at the starting position. I don't think Beck ever had the starting position but was given that impression by the leaks coming out of the Redskins organization.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > Beck was played. He went out there
> advertising
> > > that he was the starter, which prompted
> > Grossman
> > > to sign for the minimum. It was another
> > > negotiating trick from Shanny Sr.
> >
> >
> > I don't think that makes much sense. Grossman
> was
> > a free agent. If Shanny named Beck as a starter
> > that early, Grossman would have bailed for more
> > money and a chance at starting somewhere else.
> If
> > anything, Shanny's only play was to insist that
> it
> > was an open competition, which he in fact did.
>
>
> ESPN and other sports outlets were being told by
> sources within the Redskins that it was Beck's job
> to lose. Grossman got desperate that he might miss
> out on a chance to start and signed with the
> Redskins for the minimum, possibly prematurely, to
> salvage a shot at the starting position. I don't
> think Beck ever had the starting position but was
> given that impression by the leaks coming out of
> the Redskins organization.

So they play mind games with their new starter and alienate their back up and potential starter just to save a few hundred thousand dollars by signing Grossman to the vet minimum? That just doesn't hold water. Why risk the turmoil for what amount to peanuts for this organization? We're $10M under the cap as is, so it's not like saving cash brings us instant benefits.

Were you paying attention last season? You don't think Shanny alienated McNabb or created uncertainty last year?

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> Were you paying attention last season? You don't
> think Shanny alienated McNabb or created
> uncertainty last year?

Certainly he did, but that was a different situation. McNabb was atrocious last year and deserved to be benched. He wasn't a system guy, didn't have the work ethic to learn the system that the Shannys (pure control freaks) put into place and was commanding top dollar. Let's be serious. By the time Shanny benched McNabb and sewed all that discontent, the season was effectively lost. Rexy and Beck are hand-picked guys that fit the system. Assuming we're trying to win games this year, saving what amounts to a few hundred grand by using Beck as the fall guy before 2011 makes zero sense. The better argument is that the Shannys tried to boost Beck's confidence and ensure that he thinks of himself as a starter, in case Grossman fails or goes down. That's less being "played" and more just motivating a guy who hasn't had much success.

I think it was the couple of deep passes that Beck attempted in the last pre-season game that hurt him the most,,,

They looked weak and wobbly,,,at least Grossman has a chance of hitting the deep out,,,until I actually see Beck do it consistently, I have to wonder about his arm strength,,,

He has a quick release, but hasn't played enough regular season games to be able to trust his judgement under fire,,,



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If Grossman kicks ass then he can ask for more money. Keeps him hungry.

I don't doubt Beck's arm strength or release. I question his inteligence and decision making.

I also think it was a great bit of offseason manipulation (at Beck's expense) that Shanny used to motivate Grossman.



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ushgh Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > Were you paying attention last season? You
> don't
> > think Shanny alienated McNabb or created
> > uncertainty last year?
>
> Certainly he did, but that was a different
> situation. McNabb was atrocious last year and
> deserved to be benched. He wasn't a system guy,
> didn't have the work ethic to learn the system
> that the Shannys (pure control freaks) put into
> place and was commanding top dollar. Let's be
> serious. By the time Shanny benched McNabb and
> sewed all that discontent, the season was
> effectively lost. Rexy and Beck are hand-picked
> guys that fit the system. Assuming we're trying to
> win games this year, saving what amounts to a few
> hundred grand by using Beck as the fall guy before
> 2011 makes zero sense. The better argument is that
> the Shannys tried to boost Beck's confidence and
> ensure that he thinks of himself as a starter, in
> case Grossman fails or goes down. That's less
> being "played" and more just motivating a guy who
> hasn't had much success.

First, all QBs are "system guys." Look at Favre in NY versus Favre in Minnesota. And what do you think Tom Brady would look like in Jacksonville instead of Foxboro? He'd play like David Gerard.

Second, McNabb was a veteran QB with certain strengths and weaknesses. The idea that you would pay top dollar to a guy and then try to change the way he plays the position is ludicrous. Look at Favre and his "dancing feet." That's terrible QB technique, but only an idiot coach would try to change that in an established veteran player.

As for Beck, how does it improve his confidence when you tell the press "it's his job to lose," and then he supposedly loses it? It's the ultimate fuck up, isn't it? I mean, isn't it better to say, "We like what we've seen from Beck and think he could start, but we really want to go through the preseason to see which QB will work best going into the season."

But that's not what they told key reporters at ESPN and SI. What they told them was, "Beck has the job, unless he fucks up."

If psychology is at work it, Shanny is a terrible psychologist.

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> I think it was the couple of deep passes that Beck
> attempted in the last pre-season game that hurt
> him the most,,,
>
> They looked weak and wobbly,,,at least Grossman
> has a chance of hitting the deep out,,,until I
> actually see Beck do it consistently, I have to
> wonder about his arm strength,,,
>
> He has a quick release, but hasn't played enough
> regular season games to be able to trust his
> judgement under fire,,,

Grossman demonstrated he could read a blitz, step up into the pocket and find an open receiver across the middle. I didn't see all of the pre-season games, but I don't recall seeing Beck do that.

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Your logic assumes that Shanny wanted Beck as a starter. Don't forget that his son may or may not have a sexual relationship with Grossman.

Kyle and Rex have matching tattoos. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

> First, all QBs are "system guys." Look at Favre in
> NY versus Favre in Minnesota. And what do you
> think Tom Brady would look like in Jacksonville
> instead of Foxboro? He'd play like David Gerard.

That's not the definition of system guy, dude. The mere fact that all QB's play in systems does not make them all "system" guys.

> Second, McNabb was a veteran QB with certain
> strengths and weaknesses. The idea that you would
> pay top dollar to a guy and then try to change the
> way he plays the position is ludicrous. Look at
> Favre and his "dancing feet." That's terrible QB
> technique, but only an idiot coach would try to
> change that in an established veteran player.

I don't disagree that the Shannys should have done their diligence. But you're kidding yourself if you think McNabb was a victim. He sucked ass last year.


> As for Beck, how does it improve his confidence
> when you tell the press "it's his job to lose,"
> and then he supposedly loses it? It's the ultimate
> fuck up, isn't it? I mean, isn't it better to say,
> "We like what we've seen from Beck and think he
> could start, but we really want to go through the
> preseason to see which QB will work best going
> into the season."

Who told the press it was his job to lose? The only pronouncements I heard from Skins Park were that this was an open competition and that either Grossman or Beck could start. Can you show me where Shanny said this?

> But that's not what they told key reporters at
> ESPN and SI. What they told them was, "Beck has
> the job, unless he fucks up."

This is pure hearsay. Who said that? The Shannys? Some low-leval front office guy? Jason Reid at the WaPo who hasn't gotten a story right in two years? Who? The official word was always an open competition.

> If psychology is at work it, Shanny is a terrible
> psychologist.

Yeah, I'm sure he devastated by the critique of an anonymous internet poster and takes it to heart every time he polishes his two Lombardi trophies.

For the record, it's Kyle and Chris Simms that have matching tattoos from their time together at U.of Texas,,,

Also when Shanahan said Beck was the starter,Rex was not under contract and was an unrestricted free agent,,,

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>
> That's not the definition of system guy, dude. The
> mere fact that all QB's play in systems does not
> make them all "system" guys.
>

Like I said, all QBs are system guys. You can't just plug and play a veteran into a system he doesn't understand. I don't give a fuck which QB you are talking about.


>
> I don't disagree that the Shannys should have done
> their diligence. But you're kidding yourself if
> you think McNabb was a victim. He sucked ass last
> year.
>

McNabb was on track to throw for over 4,000 yards. This, despite having no protection, a mediocre running game and a terrible defense to rely on. McNabb may have not been the ideal QB for Shanny Jr's system, but the team's problems went well beyond McNabb.


>
> Who told the press it was his job to lose? The
> only pronouncements I heard from Skins Park were
> that this was an open competition and that either
> Grossman or Beck could start. Can you show me
> where Shanny said this?
>


"Sources within Redskins Park" were talking to Adam Schefter and Peter King going as far back as May saying that Beck was essentially a lock for the starting position. That's not Beck talking. That's Shanny or Allen or someone in a position to make the call.


>
> This is pure hearsay. Who said that? The Shannys?
> Some low-leval front office guy? Jason Reid at the
> WaPo who hasn't gotten a story right in two years?
> Who? The official word was always an open
> competition.
>

Adam Schefter and Peter King. Two pretty well plugged-in guys. Schefter worked for the Denver Post in the 90s and is known to be well-connected to Shanny Sr.

>
> Yeah, I'm sure he devastated by the critique of an
> anonymous internet poster and takes it to heart
> every time he polishes his two Lombardi trophies.

All I'm saying is Shanny Sr. isn't very good at hiding his "Jedi Mind Powers" from public view.

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When they interviewed Shanahan about the draft and why Washington traded their pick so Jacksonville could draft Gabbert, Shanny pronounced Beck the QB of the future for the Redskins and said he was confident his abilities,,,again, this was while Rex was an unrestricted free agent and NOT on the Skins roster,,,

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> When they interviewed Shanahan about the draft and
> why Washington traded their pick so Jacksonville
> could draft Gabbert, Shanny pronounced Beck the QB
> of the future for the Redskins and said he was
> confident his abilities,,,again, this was while
> Rex was an unrestricted free agent and NOT on the
> Skins roster,,,


It's mind games, plain and simple. How the hell does Beck go from being the "QB of the Future" to backing up sexy Rexy after one piss poor performance in a meaningless preseason game?

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> I really don't understand their
> thinking on this.

Apparently, there are lots of things you don’t understand. ;)

> Guess Beck was a pretty good pawn for the Shannies.
> Wonder how he feels being played?

> It's mind games, plain and simple. How the hell does Beck go
> from being the "QB of the Future" to backing up sexy Rexy after
> one piss poor performance in a meaningless preseason game?

Why do you feel the need to complicate things and turn them into a conspiracy? Rex won the job fair and square. Move along, nothing to see here.

I'm not sure why there's even any on-going debate about the Deadskins.

3-12. They won't even play the 16th game due to lack of interest.

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> I'm not sure why there's even any on-going debate
> about the Deadskins.

Because it is Redskins territory. Perhaps you're in the wrong state.

> 3-12. They won't even play the 16th game due to
> lack of interest.

Clever. What football team do you root for fairfaxdude? Perhaps you could start your own thread about them.

Landry needs a good therapist. Stay a crazy man, but:

He is addicted to bodybuilding. At a point (which landry has passed) building muscle mass negatively impacts your athletic ability.

Someone please intervene. Landry needs to cut down his crazy workout regime so he can play football.



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So it sounds like there is one backup position for the interior O-Line. The Shannies do realize their zone blocking scheme requires lots of running from their O-Line, right? So you not only limit depth in case of injury, which will most likely increase due to the zone blocking, but then you can't rotate anyone out on long drives. Hmmm.

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Giants just lost J.Goff (LB) for the year to a torn ACL at practice today,,,,

Atom Wrote:
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> Landry needs a good therapist. Stay a crazy man,
> but:
>
> He is addicted to bodybuilding. At a point (which
> landry has passed) building muscle mass negatively
> impacts your athletic ability.
>
> Someone please intervene. Landry needs to cut
> down his crazy workout regime so he can play
> football.


Heard on Lavar and Dukes that Landry was critisizing the training staff on his twitter today,,,then the comments were deleted
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Dont know if this was the tweet, but Landry (@MrLandry30) tweeted the following on Sunday:


Dont u hate when u absolutely know something 200% and dumb a$$ mofos still do the opposite of what u tell them!!! Set backs wtf!!!

Alright. Its happened. Again.

I have officially gotten my hopes up for this season. I think they need some depth at o-line. But I'm going to trust that Shanny knows what he's doing there. I'm not sure what they're going to do with 17 receivers, either. And Grossman/Beck? Come on, none of us could make that decision. They both looked good. Whatev.

The biggest fear I have is they will win a few, get on a roll, then fuckin' Snyder wants to get in on the excitement, and he'll do some stupid ass thing that brings everything down.

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> fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> > I'm not sure why there's even any on-going
> debate
> > about the Deadskins.
>
> Because it is Redskins territory. Perhaps you're
> in the wrong state.
>
> > 3-12. They won't even play the 16th game due
> to
> > lack of interest.
>
> Clever. What football team do you root for
> fairfaxdude? Perhaps you could start your own
> thread about them.

I'll stand by my prediction, as much as it may pain you.

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That was the first "tweet",,apparently he's even more pissed now,,,

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> So it sounds like there is one backup position for
> the interior O-Line. The Shannies do realize their
> zone blocking scheme requires lots of running from
> their O-Line, right? So you not only limit depth
> in case of injury, which will most likely increase
> due to the zone blocking, but then you can't
> rotate anyone out on long drives. Hmmm.

Who the hell rotates offensive linemen? Who says zone blocking causes more injuries? The linemen are lighter and more athletic.

You’re right though, their depth at OL is paper thin and they don’t currently have a backup guard. So if something happens to either guard, Montgomery will have to move from center to guard and then Cook would play center. Sounds like an iffy plan. They did add two guards to the PS though. Guess they’ll just have to hope they aren’t needed soon!

You can’t fix everything in one year but it’s a shame they couldn’t have added more depth at OL. The line can’t be any worse than last year, can they?

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> I'll stand by my prediction, as much as it may
> pain you.

It doesn't. Answer the question.

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> Alright. Its happened. Again.
>
> I have officially gotten my hopes up for this
> season. I think they need some depth at o-line.
> But I'm going to trust that Shanny knows what he's
> doing there. I'm not sure what they're going to do
> with 17 receivers, either. And Grossman/Beck? Come
> on, none of us could make that decision. They both
> looked good. Whatev.

They are also pretty thin at secondary. An injury at either posistion could be a huge problem.

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> Giants just lost J.Goff (LB) for the year to a
> torn ACL at practice today,,,,

They've really been bit by the injury bug this offseason.

Between all the Giants injuries and the fact the Redskins will use every trick in the book to win the first game, esp. at home, I think we may start the season with a win,,,

>> They are also pretty thin at secondary. An injury at either posistion could be a huge problem.

That's why there's so many receivers prolly. Receiver = DB.

Again. I have faith in Shanny.

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> Who the hell rotates offensive linemen?

Shanahan, for one...

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-skins/2010/09/shanahan-rules-out-kareem-moore-for-sunday--1915.html

> Who says
> zone blocking causes more injuries? The linemen
> are lighter and more athletic.
>

Look up "zone blocking" and "injuries." Ankle injuries are pretty common if you are not well-versed in the scheme.

> You’re right though, their depth at OL is paper
> thin and they don’t currently have a backup
> guard. So if something happens to either guard,
> Montgomery will have to move from center to guard
> and then Cook would play center. Sounds like an
> iffy plan. They did add two guards to the PS
> though. Guess they’ll just have to hope they
> aren’t needed soon!
>

Glad we agree on something. My point being their season won't be won or lost on cutting two receivers. But it could be won or lost on a deficiency in the O-Line.

> You can’t fix everything in one year but it’s
> a shame they couldn’t have added more depth at
> OL. The line can’t be any worse than last year,
> can they?


The O-Line is probably better, though there has been some concern about pass defense. That said, deficiencies in the O-Line has been a chronic problem for a decade. How the fuck it gets ignored again is mind boggling. If the team has depth a O-Line, the receivers they have have more time to get open and the QBs have more time to make a decision.

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> Between all the Giants injuries and the fact the
> Redskins will use every trick in the book to win
> the first game, esp. at home, I think we may start
> the season with a win,,,

The Giants usually find a way to overcome injuries. The backups step up. Their running game will be strong as usual.
NYG 17
Wash 10

I'm using last years 2nd game as a yardstick,,,the Giants are a little worse, the Redskins are much better,,,

Redskins 20

Giants 17

and only because it's the first game of the season and the 'Skins are at home,,,
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10 - 6

Print it!!!

Go Skins!!!
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http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Beauty-Mila/02fd3251-f64d-46ee-be16-cb33a88597f3

love it

Welcome to the thread Vienna Native,,,

Very strong post,,,,

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> http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Beaut
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> love it


She's one of the hottest Redskin Cheerleaders ever!

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> Shanahan, for one...
>
> http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-skins/2010/09/shanaha
> n-rules-out-kareem-moore-for-sunday--1915.html

Dock started at the position but Corey ended up winning it. They rotated them early in the season for evaluation. What I meant is that it’s uncommon to rotate guys on the O-Line to keep them fresh like they do for the D-Line. Typically, your starting O-Linemen play the whole game unless there is an injury. Regardless, depth is still a concern.

> Look up "zone blocking" and "injuries." Ankle
> injuries are pretty common if you are not
> well-versed in the scheme.

Must be due to running more to get to the second level.

> Glad we agree on something. My point being their
> season won't be won or lost on cutting two
> receivers. But it could be won or lost on a
> deficiency in the O-Line.

Likewise. Agree.

> The O-Line is probably better, though there has
> been some concern about pass defense. That said,
> deficiencies in the O-Line has been a chronic
> problem for a decade. How the fuck it gets ignored
> again is mind boggling. If the team has depth a
> O-Line, the receivers they have have more time to
> get open and the QBs have more time to make a
> decision.

Yep. While you can’t fix the whole team at once, taking care of the lines first is the logical thing to do. They must feel fairly confident in the group of guys they have. Time will tell.

I was kind of surprised to read that there are only 15 players left from before Shanahan got here,,,

That is what I call a rebuild,,,
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Interesting article. I liked this quote:

"He wants players who value the work it takes to win. Those who don’t meet his standard, regardless of their resume or the size of their contract, will be gone."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/7/two-shanahans-make-it-work-as-redskins-rebuild/?page=1

I say the Skins will be 10 - 6 this year. Should be good enough for at least a Wild Card.

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> I say the Skins will be 10 - 6 this year. Should
> be good enough for at least a Wild Card.

Put on tonight's game and see what a real playoff team looks like.

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> Playoffs?? YES! Wrote:
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> > I say the Skins will be 10 - 6 this year.
> Should
> > be good enough for at least a Wild Card.
>
> Put on tonight's game and see what a real playoff
> team looks like.


The Packers look damn good,,,but the Saints defense can't tackle,,at all

Hatemotor Wrote:
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> > Playoffs?? YES! Wrote:
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> > > I say the Skins will be 10 - 6 this year.
> > Should
> > > be good enough for at least a Wild Card.
> >
> > Put on tonight's game and see what a real
> playoff
> > team looks like.
>
>
> The Packers look damn good,,,but the Saints
> defense can't tackle,,at all


That was a real game. I have a hard time envisioning the Shannies' play action/bootleg thing holding up against either one of those teams, but we'll see.

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ESPN thinks it's a toss up...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks

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> ESPN thinks it's a toss up...
>
> http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks


I can see that, given the problems the Giants have had with injuries. That said, it's not like Schefter and Schlereth are unbiased.

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> > ESPN thinks it's a toss up...
> >
> > http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks
>
>
> I can see that, given the problems the Giants have
> had with injuries. That said, it's not like
> Schefter and Schlereth are unbiased.


There's only one way to settle this...to the Madden simulator!

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

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> There's only one way to settle this...to the
> Madden simulator!

In all seriousness, is that thing accurate at all? I don't play Madden and I'm not even sure how it works but I often hear it referenced

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> > There's only one way to settle this...to the
> > Madden simulator!
>
> In all seriousness, is that thing accurate at all?
> I don't play Madden and I'm not even sure how it
> works but I often hear it referenced


This article from a couple of years back claims it has an accuracy rate of 72%, which is pretty impressive if true.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/269341-are-madden-simulations-an-accurate-predictor-of-nfl-games

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> This article from a couple of years back claims it
> has an accuracy rate of 72%, which is pretty
> impressive if true.
>
> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/269341-are-madd
> en-simulations-an-accurate-predictor-of-nfl-games

That is impressive!

I don't know who the Madden simulator has Sun. but 5 of the 8 "experts" on ESPN have the Redskins winning the game,,,

Also,,,Shanahan is 5-0 on opening day against division rivals

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> I don't know who the Madden simulator has Sun. but
> 5 of the 8 "experts" on ESPN have the Redskins
> winning the game,,,
>
> Also,,,Shanahan is 5-0 on opening day against
> division rivals

Sounds good to me. I'm excited to see if preseason was just preseason or if this team really has improved.

Go Skins!

OK, the Madden simulator on ESPN has the Giants winning 24-21,,,

I don't think the computer has enough info on the new Redskins roster to be accurate, so I would say the prediction being this close just means that Washington will win,,,

Stupid computer,,,

Hatemotor Wrote:

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> Also,,,Shanahan is 5-0 on opening day against
> division rivals


Yes...AFC West Division rivals...the second worst division in football (behind the NFC West).

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They beat the Cowboys last year on opening day,,,

++Shanahan's overall opening day record is 13-4



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Haynesworth spent all week talking smack about the Redskins and how great it is to be on the Patriots,,,then called in sick for Sat practice,,,

He's listed as questionable for the game Monday night,,,

He already missed most of pre-season because of all his legal entanglements,,,

Bellacheat is gonna cut this loser soon,,,

From Michael Lombardi-NFL Network,,

Why I like the Redskins to win the NFC East
Most people are laughing at my pick of the Redskins to win the NFC East. But I gave it great thought, did my research and did not simply just throw it out for effect, or to be called an idiot by my Twitter followers. Here are my reasons for thinking the 'Skins can go from worst to first in the East:

» The Redskins play the 29th easiest schedule in the league, facing only five playoff teams from 2010. Washington plays the entire NFC West, as well as Buffalo and Carolina.

» Washington actually played better on the road last year, winning four games versus just two at home. They will play better at home this year. They won in Philadelphia and Chicago last year and beat the Packers at home.

» The 'Skins lost six games by four points or less last year, and were horrendous on defense, finishing 31st in yards allowed. This year they have talent that suits their 3-4 scheme and are not trying to shoe-horn 4-3 personnel into a 3-4.

» Running back Tim Hightower and an improved offensive line will make the run game much better. Tight end Fred Davis is blocking well and Anthony Armstrong is emerging as a big-play receiver.

» Mike Shanahan wants to prove he is still a big-time coach and knows another 6-10 season won't make many happy in D.C. Shanahan was hired to restore the 'Skins to their glory days, the sooner the better. I think Shanny will have a better year this year as well.

I know, I know: Rex Grossman is playing quarterback and everything stated above is meaningless if Grossman turns the ball over. I know he has never had a quarterback rating higher than 78. I know the only year he started, he threw 23 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. I know there are risks with this pick, but I am going to believe that Shanahan can get more good Rex than bad Rex. We shall see.

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> They beat the Cowboys last year on opening day,,,
>
> ++Shanahan's overall opening day record is 13-4


And the Cowboys sucked ass last year, didn't they?

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No one knew that at the time, the Cowboys were picked by many experts to be Super Bowl bound,,,

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> No one knew that at the time, the Cowboys were
> picked by many experts to be Super Bowl bound,,,


But it doesn't change the fact the Cowboys weren't the same team that went 13-3.

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I don't think the Giants are as good as they were last year either,,,

Contrary to what has been reported,,,,Justin Tuck is on the Giant's INACTIVE list today,,,

The Redskins list no players as inactive,,,

It's finally here, the official start of the 2011 season

It's Game Time!
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We suck.... Again.

We suck
We suck
We suck
We suck

Grossman is already looking gross.

That miss to Gaffney hurts,,,he was headed to the endzone if that pass was on target,,,

Gano good,,,

Grossman is a lousy nigga

I think the Redskins are starting to warm up some now,,,

I also think the Giant's D is so thin, that if they have to spend too much time on the field they'll wear down,,,