HomeFairfax General ForumArrest/Ticket SearchWiki newPictures/VideosChatArticlesLinksAbout
Off-Topic :  Fairfax Underground fairfax underground logo
Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.
America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: August 11, 2011 10:08AM

By Bill Gross, Published: August 10

It is critical for politicians and investors alike to distinguish between cause and effect, disease and symptom.

Revenue increases may be part of the solution, but even then, at some imbalanced ratio of spending cuts — such as three or four dollars of spending cuts to one dollar of tax hikes — the thesis assumes that markets and economic growth require what in essence is a fiscally contractionary step, reminiscent of International Monetary Fund policies in emerging markets during past decades. We must, the consensus goes, become like Argentina, Brazil and Mexico from the 1980s: Tighten the budget via spending cuts, reduce the deficit and voilá — economic growth will blossom.

But while our debt crisis is real and promises to grow to Frankenstein proportions in future years, debt is not the disease — it is a symptom. Lack of aggregate demand or, to put it simply, insufficient consumption and investment is the disease. Debt has been simply an abused sovereign and private market antidote to sustain it. We and our global market competitors are and have been experiencing a lack of aggregate demand for several decades. It is now only visibly coming to a head, as the magic elixir of leverage is drained and exhausted. This potentially fatal disease of capitalism is a result of several long-term secular phenomena:

(1) Aging demographics, where boomers everywhere spend less, in contrast to their youth, as they approach retirement; babies, houses and second cars shift to the scrapbook of memories as opposed to future spending power.

(2) Globalization, where 2 billion new competitive workers from Asia and elsewhere take jobs and paychecks from complacent and ill-trained 40-somethings in developed markets.

(3) Technological innovation, where machines and robots displace human labor, resulting in corporate profits but declining wages.

The debt crisis as it crests ultimately gives way to these growth-inhibiting, spending-contractionary secular forces. Having run up our credit card to keep on spending, we have reached market-enforced limits that force deleveraging. It is not the debt, however, but the lack of global aggregate demand that is at the heart of the crisis. As the entire world strives to put its own people to work before other nations do, policymakers constructively lower interest rates and delay sovereign, corporate and household defaults to provide breathing room. Fiscally, however, an anti-Keynesian, budget-balancing immediacy imparts a constrictive noose around whatever demand remains alive and kicking. Washington hassles over debt ceilings instead of job creation in the mistaken belief that a balanced budget will produce a balanced economy. It will not.

The president and Congress must recognize that an AA-plus country, to remain AA-plus, must focus on growth, not debt reduction, in the short term. We have a debt problem — but primarily a crisis of aggregate demand. A 21st-century Keynes would have recognized this and sounded the alarm, pointing out that policymakers from a fiscal perspective are pointing us toward recession and the destructive 1930s instead of a low-growth but still breathing U.S. economy of the 21st century.

The writer is founder and co-chief investment officer of the investment management firm Pimco.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-debt-is-not-its-biggest-problem/2011/08/10/gIQAgYvE7I_story.html?hpid=z2

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: Les ()
Date: August 11, 2011 12:44PM

"Lack of aggregate demand or, to put it simply, insufficient consumption and investment is the disease."

There was too much artificial demand in the US that was created by inflating asset prices in the 90s and 00s. When they deflated, the government was forced to step in to replace the demand, but it required heavy borrowing.

The underlying problem was the decision by the Fed to stoke US demand to bail out globalization everytime it faltered and threatened a global collapse. It masked the real problems of job loss to offshoring and immigration.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: ProVallone ()
Date: August 11, 2011 12:47PM

The biggest problem in the the U.S. is the Jews
Minister Farakram told me so.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: MrRoboto ()
Date: August 11, 2011 12:48PM

We are so going to get butt fucked by the Chinese and Japanese over the next couple of years in technology and healthcare products.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: SoylentGreen ()
Date: August 11, 2011 01:29PM

MrRoboto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> We are so going to get butt fucked by the Chinese
> and Japanese over the next couple of years in
> technology and healthcare products.


You got a problem with $10,000 bandaids with Hello Kitty on em?

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Date: August 11, 2011 01:41PM

The problem is Reagan didn't tell us his "Shining City Upon a Hill" would be built in China.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: August 11, 2011 04:37PM

Its not a recession its a contraction. The Fat cats dont care about the middle class and the poor because they can just buy and sell the politicians to craft laws that make it OK to rape and pillage Americans while also making money hand over fist on China and India. The Class war is OVER. The Rich have won.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: SoylentGreen ()
Date: August 11, 2011 05:04PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The problem is Reagan didn't tell us his "Shining
> City Upon a Hill" would be built in China.


That's because Reagan never knew the internet would become as powerful as it has.

I don't think anyone did, really.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: Prof Plum ()
Date: August 11, 2011 05:11PM

"That's because Reagan never knew the internet would become as powerful as it has. I don't think anyone did, really"

Al Gore did when he invented it.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: ... ()
Date: August 12, 2011 08:41PM

Keynes had is head so far up his ass he found a source of never-ending aggregate demand.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: Hatemotor ()
Date: August 12, 2011 10:00PM

ferfux Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Its not a recession its a contraction. The Fat
> cats dont care about the middle class and the poor
> because they can just buy and sell the politicians
> to craft laws that make it OK to rape and pillage
> Americans while also making money hand over fist
> on China and India. The Class war is OVER. The
> Rich have won.


I swear to God when I read this I thought I wrote it and forgot I posted,,,

Couldn't agree more,,,

These problems transend politics,,,vote for whoever you want,,,

We're fucked

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: Adolf ()
Date: August 12, 2011 11:43PM

It is simple folk's. Cash in your 401s, pay off your house's, dig a bunker, bury your cash, stock pile your food, oh it is on Bitches!!!?

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: Mr. Buchanan ()
Date: August 14, 2011 07:44AM

heard on that ther tv the other day that now some 1 million U.S. retired ex patriates living in Mexico these days and things are just peachy

S.A. is ripe for immigration

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: America’s debt is not its biggest problem
Posted by: ... ()
Date: August 15, 2011 04:08AM

Any who can escape from the clutches of this odious regime would be well advised to do so.

Options: ReplyQuote


Your Name: 
Your Email (Optional): 
Subject: 
Attach a file
  • No file can be larger than 75 MB
  • All files together cannot be larger than 300 MB
  • 30 more file(s) can be attached to this message
Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically.
 **     **  **    **  ********  **     **        ** 
 **     **  ***   **     **     ***   ***        ** 
 **     **  ****  **     **     **** ****        ** 
 **     **  ** ** **     **     ** *** **        ** 
  **   **   **  ****     **     **     **  **    ** 
   ** **    **   ***     **     **     **  **    ** 
    ***     **    **     **     **     **   ******  
This forum powered by Phorum.