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Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: January 21, 2011 09:29AM
I've wondered how religious people choose to reconcile their religious beliefs with commerce. I mean, when I buy a bottle of booze from a Muslim or drink coffee at a Marriott (owned by Mormons), how do these folks reconcile what is obviously a sin in their minds? The worst is usury (charging interest on loans to members of your same religious faith). Every major religion considers it a sin, yet Muslims, Christians and Jews charge each other interest on money all of the time.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Brown Eye Blind
()
Date: January 21, 2011 09:31AM
If they serve the alcohol lovingly then I see no problems there.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Warhawk
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Date: January 21, 2011 09:35AM
It's called being hypocritical. Religion is rife with it. I'm a live and let live kinda guy, so I don't care if you're devout or not - whatever floats your boat. But some of the most religious people I've ever met turned out to the the lowest on the morals ladder.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Brown Eye Blind
()
Date: January 21, 2011 09:40AM
perhaps the end justifies the means . In the case of Mormons, a chunk of their income is tithed back into the church, and supports the church's programs elsewhere. I could see their application of fuzzy logic in those cases. However, every sect has its purists and you will find just as many in a particular faith that are uber critical to their brethern for stuff like that.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: January 21, 2011 09:48AM
What about that Chik Filet guy?
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Britdrnva~
()
Date: January 21, 2011 09:48AM
Warhawk Wrote:
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> It's called being hypocritical. Religion is rife
> with it. I'm a live and let live kinda guy, so I
> don't care if you're devout or not - whatever
> floats your boat. But some of the most religious
> people I've ever met turned out to the the lowest
> on the morals ladder.
Was thinking the exact same thing as Warhawk...tis pure hypocrisy. Mind you religion in general is. If one were to follow the bible/koran/torah, etc to the letter you'd find them (from a modern viewpoint) absolutely crazed. But what's interesting is that these very same people will then pick and choose bits that they follow and say is the word of their god to justify their being/conduct but not pick other bits (or conveniently 'forget' about them) - slavery, wearing two cloths, charging interest, women/menstruation, etc.
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> It's called being hypocritical. Religion is rife
> with it. I'm a live and let live kinda guy, so I
> don't care if you're devout or not - whatever
> floats your boat. But some of the most religious
> people I've ever met turned out to the the lowest
> on the morals ladder.
Was thinking the exact same thing as Warhawk...tis pure hypocrisy. Mind you religion in general is. If one were to follow the bible/koran/torah, etc to the letter you'd find them (from a modern viewpoint) absolutely crazed. But what's interesting is that these very same people will then pick and choose bits that they follow and say is the word of their god to justify their being/conduct but not pick other bits (or conveniently 'forget' about them) - slavery, wearing two cloths, charging interest, women/menstruation, etc.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
village idiot
()
Date: January 21, 2011 09:52AM
I don't know if the Chik fil A falls into the same category. none of his restaraunts are open on sundays. They have a all sorts of camps, retreats and other things that are for poor kids. To me, he seems to put what he believes into his business.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WingNut
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Date: January 21, 2011 09:58AM
village idiot Wrote:
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> I don't know if the Chik fil A falls into the same
> category. none of his restaraunts are open on
> sundays. They have a all sorts of camps, retreats
> and other things that are for poor kids. To me,
> he seems to put what he believes into his
> business.
You can say what you want but the guy is a true believer. Personally I like to be able to buy a chicken sandwich any day of the week.
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> I don't know if the Chik fil A falls into the same
> category. none of his restaraunts are open on
> sundays. They have a all sorts of camps, retreats
> and other things that are for poor kids. To me,
> he seems to put what he believes into his
> business.
You can say what you want but the guy is a true believer. Personally I like to be able to buy a chicken sandwich any day of the week.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: January 21, 2011 10:14AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> village idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't know if the Chik fil A falls into the
> same
> > category. none of his restaraunts are open on
> > sundays. They have a all sorts of camps,
> retreats
> > and other things that are for poor kids. To
> me,
> > he seems to put what he believes into his
> > business.
>
> You can say what you want but the guy is a true
> believer. Personally I like to be able to buy a
> chicken sandwich any day of the week.
The family that owns Chik-Fil-A are one of the few exceptions. On the flip side, how much of the Mormon Temple in MD was built by proceeds from the porno movies Marriott sells to its guests?
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> village idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't know if the Chik fil A falls into the
> same
> > category. none of his restaraunts are open on
> > sundays. They have a all sorts of camps,
> retreats
> > and other things that are for poor kids. To
> me,
> > he seems to put what he believes into his
> > business.
>
> You can say what you want but the guy is a true
> believer. Personally I like to be able to buy a
> chicken sandwich any day of the week.
The family that owns Chik-Fil-A are one of the few exceptions. On the flip side, how much of the Mormon Temple in MD was built by proceeds from the porno movies Marriott sells to its guests?
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Mr. Know-It-All
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Date: January 21, 2011 10:15AM
Usury isn't simply the charging of interest for the use of money. It is charging excessive interest. So, the charging of reasonable interest is not in violation of Christian beliefs. The only religion that I am aware condemns the charging or payment of interest is Islam.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 10:21AM
Mr. Know-It-All Wrote:
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> Usury isn't simply the charging of interest for
> the use of money. It is charging excessive
> interest. So, the charging of reasonable interest
> is not in violation of Christian beliefs. The
> only religion that I am aware condemns the
> charging or payment of interest is Islam.
That's a bullshit rationalization by the Church after the fact. Read the Bible.
[Leviticus 25:36] Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.
[Leviticus 25:37] Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.
[Deuteronomy 23:19] Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:
[Deuteronomy 23:20] Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
NO increase.
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> Usury isn't simply the charging of interest for
> the use of money. It is charging excessive
> interest. So, the charging of reasonable interest
> is not in violation of Christian beliefs. The
> only religion that I am aware condemns the
> charging or payment of interest is Islam.
That's a bullshit rationalization by the Church after the fact. Read the Bible.
[Leviticus 25:36] Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.
[Leviticus 25:37] Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.
[Deuteronomy 23:19] Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:
[Deuteronomy 23:20] Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
NO increase.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Durka Durr
()
Date: January 21, 2011 10:24AM
'Tis better to give interest than to receive it.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Mr. Know-It-All
()
Date: January 21, 2011 10:35AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Mr. Know-It-All Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Usury isn't simply the charging of interest for
> > the use of money. It is charging excessive
> > interest. So, the charging of reasonable
> interest
> > is not in violation of Christian beliefs. The
> > only religion that I am aware condemns the
> > charging or payment of interest is Islam.
>
> That's a bullshit rationalization by the Church
> after the fact. Read the Bible.
>
> Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear
> thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.
>
> Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor
> lend him thy victuals for increase.
>
> Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother;
> usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any
> thing that is lent upon usury:
>
> Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but
> unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury:
> that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that
> thou settest thine hand to in the land whither
> thou goest to possess it.
>
> NO increase.
Who knows what that really means. I don't concede that usury in the context of the passages you quoted means interest of any kind.
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> Mr. Know-It-All Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Usury isn't simply the charging of interest for
> > the use of money. It is charging excessive
> > interest. So, the charging of reasonable
> interest
> > is not in violation of Christian beliefs. The
> > only religion that I am aware condemns the
> > charging or payment of interest is Islam.
>
> That's a bullshit rationalization by the Church
> after the fact. Read the Bible.
>
> Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear
> thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.
>
> Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor
> lend him thy victuals for increase.
>
> Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother;
> usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any
> thing that is lent upon usury:
>
> Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but
> unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury:
> that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that
> thou settest thine hand to in the land whither
> thou goest to possess it.
>
> NO increase.
Who knows what that really means. I don't concede that usury in the context of the passages you quoted means interest of any kind.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
village idiot
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:04AM
This might help shed some light on the issue,,,,,,,
Usury
the sum paid for the use of money, hence interest; not, as in the modern sense, exorbitant interest. The Jews were forbidden to exact usury (Lev. 25:36, 37), only, however, in their dealings with each other (Deut. 23:19, 20). The violation of this law was viewed as a great crime (Ps. 15:5; Prov. 28:8; Jer. 15:10). After the Return, and later, this law was much neglected (Neh. 5:7, 10).
Usury
the sum paid for the use of money, hence interest; not, as in the modern sense, exorbitant interest. The Jews were forbidden to exact usury (Lev. 25:36, 37), only, however, in their dealings with each other (Deut. 23:19, 20). The violation of this law was viewed as a great crime (Ps. 15:5; Prov. 28:8; Jer. 15:10). After the Return, and later, this law was much neglected (Neh. 5:7, 10).
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:38AM
No one is more hypocritical than the Wahhabists that run Saudi Arabia. Their beliefs are the antithesis of everything in the Western world, yet they wouldn't have their dozens of palaces and billions of dollars in the banks if it wasn't for the West.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
kuwait, the 51rst state
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:42AM
eesh Wrote:
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> No one is more hypocritical than the Wahhabists
> that run Saudi Arabia. Their beliefs are the
> antithesis of everything in the Western world, yet
> they wouldn't have their dozens of palaces and
> billions of dollars in the banks if it wasn't for
> the West.
Do you really they care what anyone thinks of them, they are too busy working to get gas to $5 a gallon
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> No one is more hypocritical than the Wahhabists
> that run Saudi Arabia. Their beliefs are the
> antithesis of everything in the Western world, yet
> they wouldn't have their dozens of palaces and
> billions of dollars in the banks if it wasn't for
> the West.
Do you really they care what anyone thinks of them, they are too busy working to get gas to $5 a gallon
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
naicoL-enoTgnihsaW
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:48AM
NICE ARCHAIC USE OF THE WORD "USURY" WTL, YOU DOUCHE BAG.
TODAY, USURY IS USED TO DESCRIBE EXORBITANT INTEREST RATES.
DOING BUISINESS WITH PEOPLE IS NOT A SIN, UNLESS THERE IS
SOME MORALLY UNCONSCIONABLE END RESULT FROM SUCH BUISINESS.
NOT TO MENTION, I'M NO JEW AND THE WORD "USURY" DOES NOT
APPEAR IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
YET ANOTHER USELESS-DUMBASS THREAD BY WashingTone-DEAF-Locian !
TODAY, USURY IS USED TO DESCRIBE EXORBITANT INTEREST RATES.
DOING BUISINESS WITH PEOPLE IS NOT A SIN, UNLESS THERE IS
SOME MORALLY UNCONSCIONABLE END RESULT FROM SUCH BUISINESS.
NOT TO MENTION, I'M NO JEW AND THE WORD "USURY" DOES NOT
APPEAR IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
YET ANOTHER USELESS-DUMBASS THREAD BY WashingTone-DEAF-Locian !
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:49AM
kuwait, the 51rst state Wrote:
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>
> Do you really they care what anyone thinks of
> them, they are too busy working to get gas to $5 a
> gallon
They don't want to make gas too expensive, it will only encourage development of cars like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Volt.
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>
> Do you really they care what anyone thinks of
> them, they are too busy working to get gas to $5 a
> gallon
They don't want to make gas too expensive, it will only encourage development of cars like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Volt.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Paul McCartny&Wingnuts
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:50AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I've wondered how religious people choose to
> reconcile their religious beliefs with commerce. I
> mean, when I buy a bottle of booze from a Muslim
> or drink coffee at a Marriott (owned by Mormons),
> how do these folks reconcile what is obviously a
> sin in their minds? The worst is usury (charging
> interest on loans to members of your same
> religious faith). Every major religion considers
> it a sin, yet Muslims, Christians and Jews charge
> each other interest on money all of the time.
I wonder Why would you (or anybody) would even waste your time wondering about something like that? It's very strange. Like WonderRama for GrownUPs?
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> I've wondered how religious people choose to
> reconcile their religious beliefs with commerce. I
> mean, when I buy a bottle of booze from a Muslim
> or drink coffee at a Marriott (owned by Mormons),
> how do these folks reconcile what is obviously a
> sin in their minds? The worst is usury (charging
> interest on loans to members of your same
> religious faith). Every major religion considers
> it a sin, yet Muslims, Christians and Jews charge
> each other interest on money all of the time.
I wonder Why would you (or anybody) would even waste your time wondering about something like that? It's very strange. Like WonderRama for GrownUPs?
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:51AM
naicoL-enoTgnihsaW Wrote:
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> NICE ARCHAIC USE OF THE WORD "USURY" WTL, YOU
> DOUCHE BAG.
> TODAY, USURY IS USED TO DESCRIBE EXORBITANT
> INTEREST RATES.
> DOING BUISINESS WITH PEOPLE IS NOT A SIN, UNLESS
> THERE IS
> SOME MORALLY UNCONSCIONABLE END RESULT FROM SUCH
> BUISINESS.
>
So you are saying the Bible is wrong, correct?
> NOT TO MENTION, I'M NO JEW AND THE WORD "USURY"
> DOES NOT
> APPEAR IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
>
Neither does "Gay"
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> NICE ARCHAIC USE OF THE WORD "USURY" WTL, YOU
> DOUCHE BAG.
> TODAY, USURY IS USED TO DESCRIBE EXORBITANT
> INTEREST RATES.
> DOING BUISINESS WITH PEOPLE IS NOT A SIN, UNLESS
> THERE IS
> SOME MORALLY UNCONSCIONABLE END RESULT FROM SUCH
> BUISINESS.
>
So you are saying the Bible is wrong, correct?
> NOT TO MENTION, I'M NO JEW AND THE WORD "USURY"
> DOES NOT
> APPEAR IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
>
Neither does "Gay"
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:52AM
Paul McCartny&Wingnuts Wrote:
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>
>
> I wonder Why would you (or anybody) would even
> waste your time wondering about something like
> that? It's very strange. Like WonderRama for
> GrownUPs?
Seems to me it's exactly what people should wonder about.
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>
>
> I wonder Why would you (or anybody) would even
> waste your time wondering about something like
> that? It's very strange. Like WonderRama for
> GrownUPs?
Seems to me it's exactly what people should wonder about.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
groover
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:56AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> On the flip side, how much of the
> Mormon Temple in MD was built by proceeds from the
> porno movies Marriott sells to its guests?
Considering it was started in '68 and completed in '74, probably none. I don't recall being able to rent any movies in a Marriott in the early 70s. Maybe you were staying at the Magic Marriotts.
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> On the flip side, how much of the
> Mormon Temple in MD was built by proceeds from the
> porno movies Marriott sells to its guests?
Considering it was started in '68 and completed in '74, probably none. I don't recall being able to rent any movies in a Marriott in the early 70s. Maybe you were staying at the Magic Marriotts.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WTL = DOUCHE BAG
()
Date: January 21, 2011 11:58AM
WHAT IS ULTIMATELY HILARIOUS IS THAT THESE SAME DOUCHE BAGS WILL
ARGUE THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT THE LITERAL WORD OF GOD BECAUSE OF
TRANSLATION ERRORS AND HISTORICAL CORRUPTION ISSUES, BUT THEY WANT
CHRISTIANS TO FOLLOW IT WORD FOR WORD.
THE ONLY THING LEVITICUS AND DEUTERONOMY ARE GOOD FOR IS WHEN
YOU RUN OUT OF ROLLING PAPERS.
ARGUE THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT THE LITERAL WORD OF GOD BECAUSE OF
TRANSLATION ERRORS AND HISTORICAL CORRUPTION ISSUES, BUT THEY WANT
CHRISTIANS TO FOLLOW IT WORD FOR WORD.
THE ONLY THING LEVITICUS AND DEUTERONOMY ARE GOOD FOR IS WHEN
YOU RUN OUT OF ROLLING PAPERS.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WTL = NIT-WIT
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:04PM
> "So you are saying the Bible is wrong, correct?"
I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT, YOU DUMMY
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR OPINION/INTERPRETATION
> "Neither does "Gay"
THIS IS A USELESS/IRRELEVANT OFF TOPIC POINT.
STAY FOCUSED, YOU NIT-WIT.
I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT, YOU DUMMY
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR OPINION/INTERPRETATION
> "Neither does "Gay"
THIS IS A USELESS/IRRELEVANT OFF TOPIC POINT.
STAY FOCUSED, YOU NIT-WIT.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Now Seriously
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:07PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Paul McCartny&Wingnuts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> >
> > I wonder Why would you (or anybody) would even
> > waste your time wondering about something like
> > that? It's very strange. Like WonderRama for
> > GrownUPs?
>
>
> Seems to me it's exactly what people should wonder
> about.
I'd rather, wonder wonder wonder wonder WHO?! Who made me spew my Goooooooooo
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> Paul McCartny&Wingnuts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> >
> > I wonder Why would you (or anybody) would even
> > waste your time wondering about something like
> > that? It's very strange. Like WonderRama for
> > GrownUPs?
>
>
> Seems to me it's exactly what people should wonder
> about.
I'd rather, wonder wonder wonder wonder WHO?! Who made me spew my Goooooooooo
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:07PM
WTL = DOUCHE BAG Wrote:
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> WHAT IS ULTIMATELY HILARIOUS IS THAT THESE SAME
> DOUCHE BAGS WILL
> ARGUE THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT THE LITERAL WORD OF
> GOD BECAUSE OF
> TRANSLATION ERRORS AND HISTORICAL CORRUPTION
> ISSUES, BUT THEY WANT
> CHRISTIANS TO FOLLOW IT WORD FOR WORD.
>
> THE ONLY THING LEVITICUS AND DEUTERONOMY ARE GOOD
> FOR IS WHEN
> YOU RUN OUT OF ROLLING PAPERS.
It's the Christians that profess Biblical infallibility. Not "douchebags" like me.
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> WHAT IS ULTIMATELY HILARIOUS IS THAT THESE SAME
> DOUCHE BAGS WILL
> ARGUE THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT THE LITERAL WORD OF
> GOD BECAUSE OF
> TRANSLATION ERRORS AND HISTORICAL CORRUPTION
> ISSUES, BUT THEY WANT
> CHRISTIANS TO FOLLOW IT WORD FOR WORD.
>
> THE ONLY THING LEVITICUS AND DEUTERONOMY ARE GOOD
> FOR IS WHEN
> YOU RUN OUT OF ROLLING PAPERS.
It's the Christians that profess Biblical infallibility. Not "douchebags" like me.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:10PM
WTL = NIT-WIT Wrote:
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> > "So you are saying the Bible is wrong, correct?"
>
>
> I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT, YOU DUMMY
> THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR OPINION/INTERPRETATION
You referred to the "Archaic use" of the word Usury. That would indicate that it is no longer accurate or relevant. That would indicate that you believe the Bible is wrong, then.
>
> > "Neither does "Gay"
>
> THIS IS A USELESS/IRRELEVANT OFF TOPIC POINT.
> STAY FOCUSED, YOU NIT-WIT.
Wait, fuckhead. You're the dumbshit who brought up what isn't in the Ten Commandments. I was staying on the topic you started!
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> > "So you are saying the Bible is wrong, correct?"
>
>
> I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT, YOU DUMMY
> THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR OPINION/INTERPRETATION
You referred to the "Archaic use" of the word Usury. That would indicate that it is no longer accurate or relevant. That would indicate that you believe the Bible is wrong, then.
>
> > "Neither does "Gay"
>
> THIS IS A USELESS/IRRELEVANT OFF TOPIC POINT.
> STAY FOCUSED, YOU NIT-WIT.
Wait, fuckhead. You're the dumbshit who brought up what isn't in the Ten Commandments. I was staying on the topic you started!
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
You're Asshole
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:13PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> WTL = NIT-WIT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > "So you are saying the Bible is wrong,
> correct?"
> >
> >
> > I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT, YOU DUMMY
> > THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR OPINION/INTERPRETATION
>
> You referred to the "Archaic use" of the word
> Usury. That would indicate that it is no longer
> accurate or relevant. That would indicate that you
> believe the Bible is wrong, then.
>
> >
> > > "Neither does "Gay"
> >
> > THIS IS A USELESS/IRRELEVANT OFF TOPIC POINT.
> > STAY FOCUSED, YOU NIT-WIT.
>
>
> Wait, fuckhead. You're the dumbshit who brought up
> what isn't in the Ten Commandments. I was staying
> on the topic you started!
That's why your an idiot. Overly edgyoumedicated idiot
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> WTL = NIT-WIT Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > "So you are saying the Bible is wrong,
> correct?"
> >
> >
> > I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT, YOU DUMMY
> > THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR OPINION/INTERPRETATION
>
> You referred to the "Archaic use" of the word
> Usury. That would indicate that it is no longer
> accurate or relevant. That would indicate that you
> believe the Bible is wrong, then.
>
> >
> > > "Neither does "Gay"
> >
> > THIS IS A USELESS/IRRELEVANT OFF TOPIC POINT.
> > STAY FOCUSED, YOU NIT-WIT.
>
>
> Wait, fuckhead. You're the dumbshit who brought up
> what isn't in the Ten Commandments. I was staying
> on the topic you started!
That's why your an idiot. Overly edgyoumedicated idiot
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WTL = "DOUCHEBAG"
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:14PM
> "It's the Christians that profess Biblical infallibility.
> Not "douchebags" like me."
ACTUALLY YOU MEAN "SOME" CHRISTIANS PROFESS THE BIBLE AS INFALLIABLE,
JUST LIKE ONLY SOME ISLAMIC PEOPLE BELIEVE THE KORAN COMMANDS MUSLIMS
TO KILL ALL NON-BELIEVERS (even though it clearly does).
OH AND HERE IS A SPACE BETWEEN "DOUCHE" AND "BAG, YOU DOUCHE BAG.
> Not "douchebags" like me."
ACTUALLY YOU MEAN "SOME" CHRISTIANS PROFESS THE BIBLE AS INFALLIABLE,
JUST LIKE ONLY SOME ISLAMIC PEOPLE BELIEVE THE KORAN COMMANDS MUSLIMS
TO KILL ALL NON-BELIEVERS (even though it clearly does).
OH AND HERE IS A SPACE BETWEEN "DOUCHE" AND "BAG, YOU DOUCHE BAG.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WTL = "DOUCHEBAG"
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:24PM
You referred to the "Archaic use" of the word Usury. That would indicate that it is no longer accurate or relevant.
SEE MIRRIAM WEBSTERS DICTIONARY IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME THAT IT IS ARCHAIC.
> That would indicate that you believe the Bible is wrong, then."
YOUR OPINION IS UNFOUNDED.
YOU ARE RETARDED AND NOT WORTHY OF INTELLIGENT DEBATE.
>Wait, fuckhead. You're the dumbshit who brought up what isn't
> in the Ten Commandments. I was staying on the topic you started!
THE WORD "GAY" HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC WE WERE DISCUSSING, OTHER THAN BEING AN IRRELEVANT SIDE NOTE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE GAYS ON YOUR MIND 24-7
PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU ARE A REPULSIVE FAGGOT TRYING TO
CONTINUOUSLY JUSTIFY YOUR PERVERTED LIFESTYLE.
SEE MIRRIAM WEBSTERS DICTIONARY IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME THAT IT IS ARCHAIC.
> That would indicate that you believe the Bible is wrong, then."
YOUR OPINION IS UNFOUNDED.
YOU ARE RETARDED AND NOT WORTHY OF INTELLIGENT DEBATE.
>Wait, fuckhead. You're the dumbshit who brought up what isn't
> in the Ten Commandments. I was staying on the topic you started!
THE WORD "GAY" HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC WE WERE DISCUSSING, OTHER THAN BEING AN IRRELEVANT SIDE NOTE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE GAYS ON YOUR MIND 24-7
PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU ARE A REPULSIVE FAGGOT TRYING TO
CONTINUOUSLY JUSTIFY YOUR PERVERTED LIFESTYLE.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:34PM
So basically what you are saying is that you have no reasonable explanation for why religious people choose not to follow their beliefs when it comes to commerce except that it is just more convenient to forget their religious beliefs when money is involved.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Karen 25
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:37PM
There are hypocrites everywhere. That's the dumbest reason to attack any religion "cause there are hypocrites there". Man, there are hypocrites everywhere, you might as not go to work, vote or go the movies. Religion teaches or should teach not to judge and thats what the guy who sells, booze, coffee, or smokes is maybe doing. How do you know anyways whats in his mind.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
groover
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:38PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> It's the Christians that profess Biblical
> infallibility. Not "douchebags" like me.
If you are too stupid to understand the difference between biblical infallibility and biblical inerrancy, you really shouldn't start a conversation you can't comprehend.
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> It's the Christians that profess Biblical
> infallibility. Not "douchebags" like me.
If you are too stupid to understand the difference between biblical infallibility and biblical inerrancy, you really shouldn't start a conversation you can't comprehend.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WTL = DUMBASS
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:39PM
> "So basically what you are saying is that you have no reasonable
> explanation for why religious people choose not to follow their beliefs"
DON'T YOU MEAN *YOUR* BELIEFS, YOU DUMBASS ?
> "when it comes to commerce except that it is just more convenient
> to forget their religious beliefs when money is involved.
AGAIN, YOU MEAN *YOUR* BELIEFS, DUMBASS.
> explanation for why religious people choose not to follow their beliefs"
DON'T YOU MEAN *YOUR* BELIEFS, YOU DUMBASS ?
> "when it comes to commerce except that it is just more convenient
> to forget their religious beliefs when money is involved.
AGAIN, YOU MEAN *YOUR* BELIEFS, DUMBASS.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:41PM
Karen 25 Wrote:
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> There are hypocrites everywhere. That's the
> dumbest reason to attack any religion "cause there
> are hypocrites there". Man, there are hypocrites
> everywhere, you might as not go to work, vote or
> go the movies. Religion teaches or should teach
> not to judge and thats what the guy who sells,
> booze, coffee, or smokes is maybe doing. How do
> you know anyways whats in his mind.
I don't. That's why I'm asking.
Regardless, there is judging and then there is aiding and abetting a sin.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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> There are hypocrites everywhere. That's the
> dumbest reason to attack any religion "cause there
> are hypocrites there". Man, there are hypocrites
> everywhere, you might as not go to work, vote or
> go the movies. Religion teaches or should teach
> not to judge and thats what the guy who sells,
> booze, coffee, or smokes is maybe doing. How do
> you know anyways whats in his mind.
I don't. That's why I'm asking.
Regardless, there is judging and then there is aiding and abetting a sin.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
PDS
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:46PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I've wondered how religious people choose to
> reconcile their religious beliefs with commerce. I
> mean, when I buy a bottle of booze from a Muslim
> or drink coffee at a Marriott (owned by Mormons),
> how do these folks reconcile what is obviously a
> sin in their minds? The worst is usury (charging
> interest on loans to members of your same
> religious faith). Every major religion considers
> it a sin, yet Muslims, Christians and Jews charge
> each other interest on money all of the time.
You question is rife with assumptions. When you say things like "what is obviously blah blah blah" you are setting up a strawman argument that is, in fact a fallacy. You use inductive reasoning to support your conclusion with your question.
That being said, where does it say that it is a sin against God to charge interest for Christians? Much of the OT were laws that the Jews used to live by, but were not the laws of God (the big 10 would be). That was one of the missions of Jesus, to tell the followers of God that the pharisees and the Jewish rulers had bastardized God's commands and misunderstood what God actually said (see the story of the woman about to be stoned for adultery for a prime example).
Sorry, I don't buy you conclusion and don't see it supported by the teachings of Jesus, the Son of God and founder of CHRISTianity. Perhaps you can enlighten.
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> I've wondered how religious people choose to
> reconcile their religious beliefs with commerce. I
> mean, when I buy a bottle of booze from a Muslim
> or drink coffee at a Marriott (owned by Mormons),
> how do these folks reconcile what is obviously a
> sin in their minds? The worst is usury (charging
> interest on loans to members of your same
> religious faith). Every major religion considers
> it a sin, yet Muslims, Christians and Jews charge
> each other interest on money all of the time.
You question is rife with assumptions. When you say things like "what is obviously blah blah blah" you are setting up a strawman argument that is, in fact a fallacy. You use inductive reasoning to support your conclusion with your question.
That being said, where does it say that it is a sin against God to charge interest for Christians? Much of the OT were laws that the Jews used to live by, but were not the laws of God (the big 10 would be). That was one of the missions of Jesus, to tell the followers of God that the pharisees and the Jewish rulers had bastardized God's commands and misunderstood what God actually said (see the story of the woman about to be stoned for adultery for a prime example).
Sorry, I don't buy you conclusion and don't see it supported by the teachings of Jesus, the Son of God and founder of CHRISTianity. Perhaps you can enlighten.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:47PM
groover Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's the Christians that profess Biblical
> > infallibility. Not "douchebags" like me.
>
> If you are too stupid to understand the difference
> between biblical infallibility and biblical
> inerrancy, you really shouldn't start a
> conversation you can't comprehend.
Inerrancy would have been a more accurate term than infallibility. Fine.
Now fuck off.
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's the Christians that profess Biblical
> > infallibility. Not "douchebags" like me.
>
> If you are too stupid to understand the difference
> between biblical infallibility and biblical
> inerrancy, you really shouldn't start a
> conversation you can't comprehend.
Inerrancy would have been a more accurate term than infallibility. Fine.
Now fuck off.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Christian Aetheist
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:47PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> So basically what you are saying is that you have
> no reasonable explanation for why religious people
> choose not to follow their beliefs when it comes
> to commerce except that it is just more convenient
> to forget their religious beliefs when money is
> involved.
What do you have against "convenience". You never use a 'convenience store'. I'm sure. Fucking Hypocrite.
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> So basically what you are saying is that you have
> no reasonable explanation for why religious people
> choose not to follow their beliefs when it comes
> to commerce except that it is just more convenient
> to forget their religious beliefs when money is
> involved.
What do you have against "convenience". You never use a 'convenience store'. I'm sure. Fucking Hypocrite.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:51PM
PDS Wrote:
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>
> Sorry, I don't buy you conclusion and don't see it
> supported by the teachings of Jesus, the Son of
> God and founder of CHRISTianity. Perhaps you can
> enlighten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament
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>
> Sorry, I don't buy you conclusion and don't see it
> supported by the teachings of Jesus, the Son of
> God and founder of CHRISTianity. Perhaps you can
> enlighten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:53PM
Anyway, you can continue to be defensive about your beliefs. You know I am right. There's not a lot of daylight between what the Bible/Jesus says about these things and how you are living your lives. Make all of the excuses you want. If there is a Heaven, I'm sure there will be ample time to rationalize your decisions before you are cast into Hell.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:57PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I've wondered how religious people choose to
> reconcile their religious beliefs with commerce. I
> mean, when I buy a bottle of booze from a Muslim
> or drink coffee at a Marriott (owned by Mormons),
> how do these folks reconcile what is obviously a
> sin in their minds? The worst is usury (charging
> interest on loans to members of your same
> religious faith). Every major religion considers
> it a sin, yet Muslims, Christians and Jews charge
> each other interest on money all of the time.
Really?
Catholics are taught that the Pope is God's representative here on earth and that what he decrees is essentially canon law. Yet a large majority of Catholics still use birth control, have abortions, commit adultery and kill people - things that have been handed down for years as part of the commandments or other canon law. So if they are willing to break the rules that in the old days would have them cast out (Excommunicated) or worse - what makes you believe commerce would even rise to the level of a yawn? I am sure for Muslims it is worse, since these days in their own countries they can be killed for any number of small violations.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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> I've wondered how religious people choose to
> reconcile their religious beliefs with commerce. I
> mean, when I buy a bottle of booze from a Muslim
> or drink coffee at a Marriott (owned by Mormons),
> how do these folks reconcile what is obviously a
> sin in their minds? The worst is usury (charging
> interest on loans to members of your same
> religious faith). Every major religion considers
> it a sin, yet Muslims, Christians and Jews charge
> each other interest on money all of the time.
Really?
Catholics are taught that the Pope is God's representative here on earth and that what he decrees is essentially canon law. Yet a large majority of Catholics still use birth control, have abortions, commit adultery and kill people - things that have been handed down for years as part of the commandments or other canon law. So if they are willing to break the rules that in the old days would have them cast out (Excommunicated) or worse - what makes you believe commerce would even rise to the level of a yawn? I am sure for Muslims it is worse, since these days in their own countries they can be killed for any number of small violations.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Born Again!!! :)
()
Date: January 21, 2011 12:57PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Anyway, you can continue to be defensive about
> your beliefs. You know I am right. There's not a
> lot of daylight between what the Bible/Jesus says
> about these things and how you are living your
> lives. Make all of the excuses you want. If there
> is a Heaven, I'm sure there will be ample time to
> rationalize your decisions before you are cast
> into Hell.
JESUS!!! :) You're Back!!!
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> Anyway, you can continue to be defensive about
> your beliefs. You know I am right. There's not a
> lot of daylight between what the Bible/Jesus says
> about these things and how you are living your
> lives. Make all of the excuses you want. If there
> is a Heaven, I'm sure there will be ample time to
> rationalize your decisions before you are cast
> into Hell.
JESUS!!! :) You're Back!!!
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
WTL = MENTALLY CHALLENGED
()
Date: January 21, 2011 01:07PM
Anyway, you can continue to be defensive about your beliefs.
YOU ARE THE ONE ACTING LIKE A RETARD AND TRYING TO IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS AS THE RELIGIOUS STANDARD.
You know I am right.
ON THE CONTRARY, NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH !
> There's not a lot of daylight between what the Bible/Jesus says
> about these things and how you are living your lives.
> Make all of the excuses you want.
EXCUSES ? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP.
> "If there is a Heaven, I'm sure there will be ample time to
> rationalize your decisions before you are cast into Hell.
THAT'S GREAT. I SEE YOU ARE MEANDERING OFF ON IRRELEVANT TOPICS AGAIN.
FROM THE WICTIONARY DEFINITION *YOU* PROVIDED :
Usury (pronounced /ˈjuËÊ’É™ri/, from Medieval Latin usuria, "interest",
or from Latin usura, "interest") ***ORIGINALLY*** was the charging
of interest on loans; this included charging a fee for the use of money,
such as at a bureau de change. In places where interest became acceptable,
usury was interest above the rate allowed by law.
****Today, usury commonly is the charging of UNREASONABLE or
RELATIVELY HIGH rates of interest.
SEE NOW, YA DUMBASS ?
YOU ARE THE ONE ACTING LIKE A RETARD AND TRYING TO IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS AS THE RELIGIOUS STANDARD.
You know I am right.
ON THE CONTRARY, NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH !
> There's not a lot of daylight between what the Bible/Jesus says
> about these things and how you are living your lives.
> Make all of the excuses you want.
EXCUSES ? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP.
> "If there is a Heaven, I'm sure there will be ample time to
> rationalize your decisions before you are cast into Hell.
THAT'S GREAT. I SEE YOU ARE MEANDERING OFF ON IRRELEVANT TOPICS AGAIN.
FROM THE WICTIONARY DEFINITION *YOU* PROVIDED :
Usury (pronounced /ˈjuËÊ’É™ri/, from Medieval Latin usuria, "interest",
or from Latin usura, "interest") ***ORIGINALLY*** was the charging
of interest on loans; this included charging a fee for the use of money,
such as at a bureau de change. In places where interest became acceptable,
usury was interest above the rate allowed by law.
****Today, usury commonly is the charging of UNREASONABLE or
RELATIVELY HIGH rates of interest.
SEE NOW, YA DUMBASS ?
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Now I'm eating Popcorn
()
Date: January 21, 2011 01:10PM
WTL = MENTALLY CHALLENGED Wrote:
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> Anyway, you can continue to be defensive about
> your beliefs.
>
> YOU ARE THE ONE ACTING LIKE A RETARD AND TRYING TO
> IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS AS THE RELIGIOUS STANDARD.
>
> You know I am right.
>
> ON THE CONTRARY, NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE
> TRUTH !
>
> > There's not a lot of daylight between what the
> Bible/Jesus says
> > about these things and how you are living your
> lives.
> > Make all of the excuses you want.
>
> EXCUSES ? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP.
>
> > "If there is a Heaven, I'm sure there will be
> ample time to
> > rationalize your decisions before you are cast
> into Hell.
>
> THAT'S GREAT. I SEE YOU ARE MEANDERING OFF ON
> IRRELEVANT TOPICS AGAIN.
>
> FROM THE WICTIONARY DEFINITION *YOU* PROVIDED :
>
> Usury (pronounced /ˈjuËÊ’É™ri/, from Medieval
> Latin usuria, "interest",
> or from Latin usura, "interest") ***ORIGINALLY***
> was the charging
> of interest on loans; this included charging a fee
> for the use of money,
> such as at a bureau de change. In places where
> interest became acceptable,
> usury was interest above the rate allowed by law.
>
>
> ****Today, usury commonly is the charging of
> UNREASONABLE or
> RELATIVELY HIGH rates of interest.
>
> SEE NOW, YA DUMBASS ?
what are ya gonna do now? Crucify him?.
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> Anyway, you can continue to be defensive about
> your beliefs.
>
> YOU ARE THE ONE ACTING LIKE A RETARD AND TRYING TO
> IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS AS THE RELIGIOUS STANDARD.
>
> You know I am right.
>
> ON THE CONTRARY, NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE
> TRUTH !
>
> > There's not a lot of daylight between what the
> Bible/Jesus says
> > about these things and how you are living your
> lives.
> > Make all of the excuses you want.
>
> EXCUSES ? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP.
>
> > "If there is a Heaven, I'm sure there will be
> ample time to
> > rationalize your decisions before you are cast
> into Hell.
>
> THAT'S GREAT. I SEE YOU ARE MEANDERING OFF ON
> IRRELEVANT TOPICS AGAIN.
>
> FROM THE WICTIONARY DEFINITION *YOU* PROVIDED :
>
> Usury (pronounced /ˈjuËÊ’É™ri/, from Medieval
> Latin usuria, "interest",
> or from Latin usura, "interest") ***ORIGINALLY***
> was the charging
> of interest on loans; this included charging a fee
> for the use of money,
> such as at a bureau de change. In places where
> interest became acceptable,
> usury was interest above the rate allowed by law.
>
>
> ****Today, usury commonly is the charging of
> UNREASONABLE or
> RELATIVELY HIGH rates of interest.
>
> SEE NOW, YA DUMBASS ?
what are ya gonna do now? Crucify him?.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
PDS
()
Date: January 21, 2011 01:22PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> PDS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Sorry, I don't buy you conclusion and don't see
> it
> > supported by the teachings of Jesus, the Son of
> > God and founder of CHRISTianity. Perhaps you
> can
> > enlighten.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament
You misunderstand the parable. It is to do good for the sake of being good, not for profit or gain. It doesn't say it's a sin to charge interest. Plus, the servant was bailed out by the master and then ripped off others and did not show the compassion and leniency to those who owed him money that the master had shown the servant.
Perhaps if you got yourself to a good church on Sundays, you would better know the Bible and the stories and message within. Just sayin'
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> PDS Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Sorry, I don't buy you conclusion and don't see
> it
> > supported by the teachings of Jesus, the Son of
> > God and founder of CHRISTianity. Perhaps you
> can
> > enlighten.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament
You misunderstand the parable. It is to do good for the sake of being good, not for profit or gain. It doesn't say it's a sin to charge interest. Plus, the servant was bailed out by the master and then ripped off others and did not show the compassion and leniency to those who owed him money that the master had shown the servant.
Perhaps if you got yourself to a good church on Sundays, you would better know the Bible and the stories and message within. Just sayin'
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
groover
()
Date: January 21, 2011 01:53PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> You know I am right.
Usually a statement made by someone who is wrong. ie. figure out the difference between biblical infallibility and biblical inerrancy?
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> You know I am right.
Usually a statement made by someone who is wrong. ie. figure out the difference between biblical infallibility and biblical inerrancy?
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Hiyamama
()
Date: January 21, 2011 02:04PM
I think you all are forgetting one thing: that Christ forgives and that there can be atonement. While you should not knowingly commit sin with the idea that "hey, I will be forgiven," you cannot ignore the fact that not one of us is perfect and we are not walking on water. If you live your life and base your decisions on glorifying God and don't deviate from that path, then I personally feel that all other things will work out in the end. It is pretty simple really.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
village idiot
()
Date: January 21, 2011 02:32PM
Like any book, it is better to view the quoted section in the context in which it was used.
Exodus 22:25-27
25 “If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not treat it like a business deal; charge no interest. 26 If you take your neighbor’s cloak as a pledge, return it by sunset, 27 because that cloak is the only covering your neighbor has. What else can they sleep in? When they cry out to me, I will hear, for I am compassionate.
Leviticus 25:35-37
35 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and are unable to support themselves among you, help them as you would a foreigner and stranger, so they can continue to live among you. 36 Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you. 37 You must not lend them money at interest or sell them food at a profit.
Exodus 22:25-27
25 “If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not treat it like a business deal; charge no interest. 26 If you take your neighbor’s cloak as a pledge, return it by sunset, 27 because that cloak is the only covering your neighbor has. What else can they sleep in? When they cry out to me, I will hear, for I am compassionate.
Leviticus 25:35-37
35 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and are unable to support themselves among you, help them as you would a foreigner and stranger, so they can continue to live among you. 36 Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you. 37 You must not lend them money at interest or sell them food at a profit.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
DemonSeed
()
Date: January 21, 2011 03:17PM
village idiot Wrote:
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> Like any book, it is better to view the quoted
> section in the context in which it was used.
>
> Exodus 22:25-27
>
> 25 “If you lend money to one of my people among
> you who is needy, do not treat it like a business
> deal; charge no interest. 26 If you take your
> neighbor’s cloak as a pledge, return it by
> sunset, 27 because that cloak is the only covering
> your neighbor has. What else can they sleep in?
> When they cry out to me, I will hear, for I am
> compassionate.
>
> Leviticus 25:35-37
>
> 35 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become
> poor and are unable to support themselves among
> you, help them as you would a foreigner and
> stranger, so they can continue to live among you.
> 36 Do not take interest or any profit from them,
> but fear your God, so that they may continue to
> live among you. 37 You must not lend them money at
> interest or sell them food at a profit.
What's that have to do with God fucking MotherNature?
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> Like any book, it is better to view the quoted
> section in the context in which it was used.
>
> Exodus 22:25-27
>
> 25 “If you lend money to one of my people among
> you who is needy, do not treat it like a business
> deal; charge no interest. 26 If you take your
> neighbor’s cloak as a pledge, return it by
> sunset, 27 because that cloak is the only covering
> your neighbor has. What else can they sleep in?
> When they cry out to me, I will hear, for I am
> compassionate.
>
> Leviticus 25:35-37
>
> 35 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become
> poor and are unable to support themselves among
> you, help them as you would a foreigner and
> stranger, so they can continue to live among you.
> 36 Do not take interest or any profit from them,
> but fear your God, so that they may continue to
> live among you. 37 You must not lend them money at
> interest or sell them food at a profit.
What's that have to do with God fucking MotherNature?
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
clifford1966
()
Date: January 21, 2011 03:36PM
three questions for troll...
why do you pray to the ultra-liberal jesus when you are far from liberal?
do you *really* believe in talking snakes?
you tout rationalization and logic, yet believe in the exact opposite. what's the story?
why do you pray to the ultra-liberal jesus when you are far from liberal?
do you *really* believe in talking snakes?
you tout rationalization and logic, yet believe in the exact opposite. what's the story?
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Troll's Big Three Answers :
()
Date: January 21, 2011 04:46PM
Anon-MORON 'clifford1966' wrote :
---------------------------------------------------
> "three questions for troll...
> #1. why do you pray to the ultra-liberal jesus
JESUS IS/WAS NOT A POLITICAL FIGURE.
> "when you are far from liberal?"
YOU ARE CORRECT.
BUT IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE *OTHER* LIBERAL LIKE A GIVING PERSON,
I AM VERY GENEROUS WITH WHAT I HAVE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR
COUNTRY DESTROYED BY ULTRA-LIBERAL IDIOTS WHO WANT ME TO HAND MY
COUNTRY OVER TO SOME ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SPIC INVADERS.
> 2. "do you *really* believe in talking snakes?"
I BELIEVE GOD COULD MAKE A SNAKE TALK IF HE WANTED TO.
TRANSVERSELY, I ALSO BELIEVE HE MAY HAVE GIVEN THE DEVIL THE POWER
TO INHABIT OR POSSESS A SNAKE BECAUSE AFTER ALL, THE DEVIL IS
PURPORTED TO BE A SUPERNATURAL BEING OR FALLEN ANGEL WITH GOD-LIKE
POWERS AND A MASTER OF DECEPTION.
AFTER ALL, THE DEVIL NEEDS SOME ADVANTAGE
BUT WE KNOW THAT THE BIBLE IS FULL OF PARABLES AND
FIGURATIVE SPEACH ANYWAYS. SO THIS QUESTION IS INHERENTLY SILLY.
> "you tout rationalization and logic, yet believe in the exact opposite."
THIS IS JUST YOUR UNFOUNDED OPINION ! YOU IDIOT.
> #3. "what's the story?"
THE STORY US CALLED THE BIBLE, YOU SHOULD TRY READING IT SOMETIME.
---------------------------------------------------
> "three questions for troll...
> #1. why do you pray to the ultra-liberal jesus
JESUS IS/WAS NOT A POLITICAL FIGURE.
> "when you are far from liberal?"
YOU ARE CORRECT.
BUT IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE *OTHER* LIBERAL LIKE A GIVING PERSON,
I AM VERY GENEROUS WITH WHAT I HAVE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR
COUNTRY DESTROYED BY ULTRA-LIBERAL IDIOTS WHO WANT ME TO HAND MY
COUNTRY OVER TO SOME ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SPIC INVADERS.
> 2. "do you *really* believe in talking snakes?"
I BELIEVE GOD COULD MAKE A SNAKE TALK IF HE WANTED TO.
TRANSVERSELY, I ALSO BELIEVE HE MAY HAVE GIVEN THE DEVIL THE POWER
TO INHABIT OR POSSESS A SNAKE BECAUSE AFTER ALL, THE DEVIL IS
PURPORTED TO BE A SUPERNATURAL BEING OR FALLEN ANGEL WITH GOD-LIKE
POWERS AND A MASTER OF DECEPTION.
AFTER ALL, THE DEVIL NEEDS SOME ADVANTAGE
BUT WE KNOW THAT THE BIBLE IS FULL OF PARABLES AND
FIGURATIVE SPEACH ANYWAYS. SO THIS QUESTION IS INHERENTLY SILLY.
> "you tout rationalization and logic, yet believe in the exact opposite."
THIS IS JUST YOUR UNFOUNDED OPINION ! YOU IDIOT.
> #3. "what's the story?"
THE STORY US CALLED THE BIBLE, YOU SHOULD TRY READING IT SOMETIME.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: January 21, 2011 04:51PM
For whatever reason, Troll@AOL gets pretty intense and serious, in his own way, when religion starts being discussed.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
clifford1966
()
Date: January 21, 2011 05:15PM
ok, ok. i can understand your viewpoint, mr. troll. i've also read the bible and i do like the book. it's a wonderful piece of fiction that's great for children. one can interpret it to mean many different things in solving the puzzle of life and can gain a decent moral foundation, but i digress.
you seem like you have some moderate qualities and have a higher than average level of intelligence, but i'm somewhat intrigued by your mental state based on your angry posts. maybe you are just trying to be funny. unfortunately, i can't tell the difference.
five more questions.
how often do you go to church?
do you speak filthy like that in real life?
would god or jesus approve of your behaviour?
you're right in that jesus is/was not political. but, if he were in a human form at this very moment and was interested in voicing his political beliefs, which party do you believe he would align himself with based on a populist interpretation of scripture?
did your parents give you a biblical name, like john or paul, or a traditional caucasian name like brad or scott?
god bless.
you seem like you have some moderate qualities and have a higher than average level of intelligence, but i'm somewhat intrigued by your mental state based on your angry posts. maybe you are just trying to be funny. unfortunately, i can't tell the difference.
five more questions.
how often do you go to church?
do you speak filthy like that in real life?
would god or jesus approve of your behaviour?
you're right in that jesus is/was not political. but, if he were in a human form at this very moment and was interested in voicing his political beliefs, which party do you believe he would align himself with based on a populist interpretation of scripture?
did your parents give you a biblical name, like john or paul, or a traditional caucasian name like brad or scott?
god bless.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: January 21, 2011 06:08PM
Religion LOL
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
6691droffilC
()
Date: January 21, 2011 06:55PM
ok, ok. i can understand your viewpoint, mr. troll.
DOUBTFUL.
> "i've also read the bible
ALSO, DOUBTFUL
> "and i do like the book.
AGAIN, DOUBTFUL
> "it's a wonderful piece of fiction that's great for children."
THIS IS JUST YOUR UNFOUNDED OPINION.
IT IS NOT FICTION, IN MY OPINION -BACK BY THE PHYSICAL BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE THAT YOU DEEM FICTION.
> "one can interpret it to mean many different things in solving
> the puzzle of life and can gain a decent moral foundation, but i digress.
YOU SHOULD DIGRESS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR PEA-BRAIN IS
STARTING TO OVERHEAT !
> "you seem like you have some moderate qualities
WHAT THE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY MEAN BY THIS ?
> "and have a higher than average level of intelligence,"
WHY THANK YOU. BUT I DOUBT MY INTELLIGENCE MUCH TO DO WITH IT.
I GUESS MY SECRET FOR CREATING THIS ILLUSION, WOULD BE APPLIED
DEDUCTIVE REASONING.
> "but i'm somewhat intrigued by your mental state based
> on your angry posts."
I WILL TRY TO MODIFY MY POASTING BEHAVIOR FROM NOW ON AS TO NOT LET MY ANGER BLEED OUT INTO MY WRITING. PLEASE ACCEPT MY APPOLOGIES AND BEAR WITH ME THROUGH THE DIFICULT TRANSITION PERIOD AHEAD.
> "maybe you are just trying to be funny."
WELL IF YOU PROMISE TO KEEP IT A SECRET, ALOT OF MY MOTIVATION DOES COME STEM FROM THE FACT THAT I DO LIKE TO ENTERTAIN MYSELF HERE ON THESE INTERNETZ
> "unfortunately, i can't tell the difference."
YOU YOURSELF, APPARENTLY ARE NOT TOO BRIGHT THEN.
> "five more questions."
OKAY SHOOT.
> "how often do you go to church?"
HARLDY EVER BUT I LIKE TO MAKE IT A POINT TO GO AT LEAST AROUND EASTER TIME BECAUSE THE BLESSED BREAD IN THE BASKETS IS TO DIE FOR. MMMMMM YUMMY BUTTERY BUNS MMMMMMMMM
> "do you speak filthy like that in real life?"
YES.
UNFORTUNATELY, I AM LIKE A TOURETTS PERSON
-TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AT LEAST WHEN I GET MAD AROUND ADULTS.
I HAVE OCD TO. DO I GET POINTS FOR THAT ALSO ?
> "would god or jesus approve of your behaviour?"
HE/THEY MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO TACKLE IF GREATER CONCERN IN THIS WORLD, THEN SCOLDING ME ABOUT MY FILTHY MOUTH.
> "you're right in that jesus is/was not political. but, if
> he were in a human form at this very moment and was interested
> in voicing his political beliefs, which party do you believe
> he would align himself with based on a populist interpretation
> of scripture?
NO PARTY.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS ONE ?
ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS MORE GODLY ?
MAYBE BECAUSE THEY THROW UP A SMOKE SCREEN AND CALL THEMSELVES LIBERALS,
LIKE THEY ARE KIND AND GIVING ?
I'M NOT GETTING IT.
> "did your parents give you a biblical name, like john or paul,
> or a traditional caucasian name like brad or scott?
NIETHER.
> "god bless"
YOU FORGOT TO CAPITALISE THE "G" in "god", you asshole !
DOUBTFUL.
> "i've also read the bible
ALSO, DOUBTFUL
> "and i do like the book.
AGAIN, DOUBTFUL
> "it's a wonderful piece of fiction that's great for children."
THIS IS JUST YOUR UNFOUNDED OPINION.
IT IS NOT FICTION, IN MY OPINION -BACK BY THE PHYSICAL BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE THAT YOU DEEM FICTION.
> "one can interpret it to mean many different things in solving
> the puzzle of life and can gain a decent moral foundation, but i digress.
YOU SHOULD DIGRESS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR PEA-BRAIN IS
STARTING TO OVERHEAT !
> "you seem like you have some moderate qualities
WHAT THE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY MEAN BY THIS ?
> "and have a higher than average level of intelligence,"
WHY THANK YOU. BUT I DOUBT MY INTELLIGENCE MUCH TO DO WITH IT.
I GUESS MY SECRET FOR CREATING THIS ILLUSION, WOULD BE APPLIED
DEDUCTIVE REASONING.
> "but i'm somewhat intrigued by your mental state based
> on your angry posts."
I WILL TRY TO MODIFY MY POASTING BEHAVIOR FROM NOW ON AS TO NOT LET MY ANGER BLEED OUT INTO MY WRITING. PLEASE ACCEPT MY APPOLOGIES AND BEAR WITH ME THROUGH THE DIFICULT TRANSITION PERIOD AHEAD.
> "maybe you are just trying to be funny."
WELL IF YOU PROMISE TO KEEP IT A SECRET, ALOT OF MY MOTIVATION DOES COME STEM FROM THE FACT THAT I DO LIKE TO ENTERTAIN MYSELF HERE ON THESE INTERNETZ
> "unfortunately, i can't tell the difference."
YOU YOURSELF, APPARENTLY ARE NOT TOO BRIGHT THEN.
> "five more questions."
OKAY SHOOT.
> "how often do you go to church?"
HARLDY EVER BUT I LIKE TO MAKE IT A POINT TO GO AT LEAST AROUND EASTER TIME BECAUSE THE BLESSED BREAD IN THE BASKETS IS TO DIE FOR. MMMMMM YUMMY BUTTERY BUNS MMMMMMMMM
> "do you speak filthy like that in real life?"
YES.
UNFORTUNATELY, I AM LIKE A TOURETTS PERSON
-TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AT LEAST WHEN I GET MAD AROUND ADULTS.
I HAVE OCD TO. DO I GET POINTS FOR THAT ALSO ?
> "would god or jesus approve of your behaviour?"
HE/THEY MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO TACKLE IF GREATER CONCERN IN THIS WORLD, THEN SCOLDING ME ABOUT MY FILTHY MOUTH.
> "you're right in that jesus is/was not political. but, if
> he were in a human form at this very moment and was interested
> in voicing his political beliefs, which party do you believe
> he would align himself with based on a populist interpretation
> of scripture?
NO PARTY.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS ONE ?
ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS MORE GODLY ?
MAYBE BECAUSE THEY THROW UP A SMOKE SCREEN AND CALL THEMSELVES LIBERALS,
LIKE THEY ARE KIND AND GIVING ?
I'M NOT GETTING IT.
> "did your parents give you a biblical name, like john or paul,
> or a traditional caucasian name like brad or scott?
NIETHER.
> "god bless"
YOU FORGOT TO CAPITALISE THE "G" in "god", you asshole !
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GODD
()
Date: January 22, 2011 07:43AM
6691droffilC Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ok, ok. i can understand your viewpoint, mr.
> troll.
>
> DOUBTFUL.
>
> > "i've also read the bible
>
> ALSO, DOUBTFUL
>
> > "and i do like the book.
>
> AGAIN, DOUBTFUL
>
> > "it's a wonderful piece of fiction that's great
> for children."
>
> THIS IS JUST YOUR UNFOUNDED OPINION.
> IT IS NOT FICTION, IN MY OPINION -BACK BY THE
> PHYSICAL BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE THAT YOU DEEM
> FICTION.
>
> > "one can interpret it to mean many different
> things in solving
> > the puzzle of life and can gain a decent moral
> foundation, but i digress.
>
> YOU SHOULD DIGRESS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR
> PEA-BRAIN IS
> STARTING TO OVERHEAT !
>
> > "you seem like you have some moderate qualities
>
>
> WHAT THE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY MEAN BY THIS ?
>
> > "and have a higher than average level of
> intelligence,"
>
> WHY THANK YOU. BUT I DOUBT MY INTELLIGENCE MUCH
> TO DO WITH IT.
> I GUESS MY SECRET FOR CREATING THIS ILLUSION,
> WOULD BE APPLIED
> DEDUCTIVE REASONING.
>
> > "but i'm somewhat intrigued by your mental state
> based
> > on your angry posts."
>
> I WILL TRY TO MODIFY MY POASTING BEHAVIOR FROM NOW
> ON AS TO NOT LET MY ANGER BLEED OUT INTO MY
> WRITING. PLEASE ACCEPT MY APPOLOGIES AND BEAR
> WITH ME THROUGH THE DIFICULT TRANSITION PERIOD
> AHEAD.
>
> > "maybe you are just trying to be funny."
>
> WELL IF YOU PROMISE TO KEEP IT A SECRET, ALOT OF
> MY MOTIVATION DOES COME STEM FROM THE FACT THAT I
> DO LIKE TO ENTERTAIN MYSELF HERE ON THESE
> INTERNETZ
>
> > "unfortunately, i can't tell the difference."
>
> YOU YOURSELF, APPARENTLY ARE NOT TOO BRIGHT THEN.
>
>
> > "five more questions."
>
> OKAY SHOOT.
>
> > "how often do you go to church?"
>
> HARLDY EVER BUT I LIKE TO MAKE IT A POINT TO GO AT
> LEAST AROUND EASTER TIME BECAUSE THE BLESSED BREAD
> IN THE BASKETS IS TO DIE FOR. MMMMMM YUMMY
> BUTTERY BUNS MMMMMMMMM
>
> > "do you speak filthy like that in real life?"
>
> YES.
> UNFORTUNATELY, I AM LIKE A TOURETTS PERSON
> -TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AT LEAST WHEN I GET MAD
> AROUND ADULTS.
> I HAVE OCD TO. DO I GET POINTS FOR THAT ALSO ?
>
> > "would god or jesus approve of your behaviour?"
>
> HE/THEY MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE MORE IMPORTANT
> ISSUES TO TACKLE IF GREATER CONCERN IN THIS WORLD,
> THEN SCOLDING ME ABOUT MY FILTHY MOUTH.
>
> > "you're right in that jesus is/was not
> political. but, if
> > he were in a human form at this very moment and
> was interested
> > in voicing his political beliefs, which party do
> you believe
> > he would align himself with based on a populist
> interpretation
> > of scripture?
>
> NO PARTY.
> WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS ONE ?
> ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS
> MORE GODLY ?
> MAYBE BECAUSE THEY THROW UP A SMOKE SCREEN AND
> CALL THEMSELVES LIBERALS,
> LIKE THEY ARE KIND AND GIVING ?
> I'M NOT GETTING IT.
>
> > "did your parents give you a biblical name, like
> john or paul,
> > or a traditional caucasian name like brad or
> scott?
>
> NIETHER.
>
> > "god bless"
>
> YOU FORGOT TO CAPITALISE THE "G" in "god", you
> asshole !
YOU ARE INSANE
-------------------------------------------------------
> ok, ok. i can understand your viewpoint, mr.
> troll.
>
> DOUBTFUL.
>
> > "i've also read the bible
>
> ALSO, DOUBTFUL
>
> > "and i do like the book.
>
> AGAIN, DOUBTFUL
>
> > "it's a wonderful piece of fiction that's great
> for children."
>
> THIS IS JUST YOUR UNFOUNDED OPINION.
> IT IS NOT FICTION, IN MY OPINION -BACK BY THE
> PHYSICAL BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE THAT YOU DEEM
> FICTION.
>
> > "one can interpret it to mean many different
> things in solving
> > the puzzle of life and can gain a decent moral
> foundation, but i digress.
>
> YOU SHOULD DIGRESS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR
> PEA-BRAIN IS
> STARTING TO OVERHEAT !
>
> > "you seem like you have some moderate qualities
>
>
> WHAT THE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY MEAN BY THIS ?
>
> > "and have a higher than average level of
> intelligence,"
>
> WHY THANK YOU. BUT I DOUBT MY INTELLIGENCE MUCH
> TO DO WITH IT.
> I GUESS MY SECRET FOR CREATING THIS ILLUSION,
> WOULD BE APPLIED
> DEDUCTIVE REASONING.
>
> > "but i'm somewhat intrigued by your mental state
> based
> > on your angry posts."
>
> I WILL TRY TO MODIFY MY POASTING BEHAVIOR FROM NOW
> ON AS TO NOT LET MY ANGER BLEED OUT INTO MY
> WRITING. PLEASE ACCEPT MY APPOLOGIES AND BEAR
> WITH ME THROUGH THE DIFICULT TRANSITION PERIOD
> AHEAD.
>
> > "maybe you are just trying to be funny."
>
> WELL IF YOU PROMISE TO KEEP IT A SECRET, ALOT OF
> MY MOTIVATION DOES COME STEM FROM THE FACT THAT I
> DO LIKE TO ENTERTAIN MYSELF HERE ON THESE
> INTERNETZ
>
> > "unfortunately, i can't tell the difference."
>
> YOU YOURSELF, APPARENTLY ARE NOT TOO BRIGHT THEN.
>
>
> > "five more questions."
>
> OKAY SHOOT.
>
> > "how often do you go to church?"
>
> HARLDY EVER BUT I LIKE TO MAKE IT A POINT TO GO AT
> LEAST AROUND EASTER TIME BECAUSE THE BLESSED BREAD
> IN THE BASKETS IS TO DIE FOR. MMMMMM YUMMY
> BUTTERY BUNS MMMMMMMMM
>
> > "do you speak filthy like that in real life?"
>
> YES.
> UNFORTUNATELY, I AM LIKE A TOURETTS PERSON
> -TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AT LEAST WHEN I GET MAD
> AROUND ADULTS.
> I HAVE OCD TO. DO I GET POINTS FOR THAT ALSO ?
>
> > "would god or jesus approve of your behaviour?"
>
> HE/THEY MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE MORE IMPORTANT
> ISSUES TO TACKLE IF GREATER CONCERN IN THIS WORLD,
> THEN SCOLDING ME ABOUT MY FILTHY MOUTH.
>
> > "you're right in that jesus is/was not
> political. but, if
> > he were in a human form at this very moment and
> was interested
> > in voicing his political beliefs, which party do
> you believe
> > he would align himself with based on a populist
> interpretation
> > of scripture?
>
> NO PARTY.
> WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS ONE ?
> ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS
> MORE GODLY ?
> MAYBE BECAUSE THEY THROW UP A SMOKE SCREEN AND
> CALL THEMSELVES LIBERALS,
> LIKE THEY ARE KIND AND GIVING ?
> I'M NOT GETTING IT.
>
> > "did your parents give you a biblical name, like
> john or paul,
> > or a traditional caucasian name like brad or
> scott?
>
> NIETHER.
>
> > "god bless"
>
> YOU FORGOT TO CAPITALISE THE "G" in "god", you
> asshole !
YOU ARE INSANE
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GordonWayneWatts
()
Date: January 23, 2011 11:07PM
Warhawk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's called being hypocritical. Religion is rife
> with it. I'm a live and let live kinda guy, so I
> don't care if you're devout or not - whatever
> floats your boat. But some of the most religious
> people I've ever met turned out to the the lowest
> on the morals ladder.
War Hawk is correct.
Take, for example, both Isaiah 58:6-7 (accepted as canon by both Jews and Christians) and Matthew 25:31-46 (accepted by Christians) --as well as the 5 Tenets of Faith of The Muslims (one of which says to help the poor and needy).
While many churches feed the hungry & clothe the nake, homelessness is NOT addressed as scripture mandates -- that is:
Practically NOBODY in ANY religion takes in the homeless people, as mandated by at least the 1st 2 passages - observe:
Isaiah 58:6-7
6[Rather] is not this the fast that I have chosen: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and that you break every [enslaving] yoke?(A)
7Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house--when you see the naked, that you cover him, and that you hide not yourself from [the needs of] your own flesh and blood?
Matthew 25:31-46 (excerpt)
see here for full cite:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=is%2058:6-7,%20mt%2025:31-46&version=AMP
43I was a stranger and you did not welcome (in other words: they didn't take in a homeless person as mandated by the Isaiah passage) Me and entertain Me, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me [f]with help and ministering care.
44Then they also [in their turn] will answer, Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?
45And He will reply to them, Solemnly I declare to you, in so far as you failed to do it for the least [[g]in the estimation of men] of these, you failed to do it for Me.(D)
46Then they will go away into eternal punishment, but those who are just and upright and in right standing with God into eternal life.(E)
See also:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=5+tenets+islam&cp=10&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=5+tenets+i&pbx=1&fp=2d73bcec2e6e3c54
http://www.saudinf.com/main/b63.htm
http://www.religion-spirituality.org/islam/doctrines-tenets.php#alms
In other words, the religions teach it, but most are hypocrites -and will probably be like in Noah's flood, where vastly more than 50% were evil & perished.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2011 11:11PM by GordonWayneWatts.
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's called being hypocritical. Religion is rife
> with it. I'm a live and let live kinda guy, so I
> don't care if you're devout or not - whatever
> floats your boat. But some of the most religious
> people I've ever met turned out to the the lowest
> on the morals ladder.
War Hawk is correct.
Take, for example, both Isaiah 58:6-7 (accepted as canon by both Jews and Christians) and Matthew 25:31-46 (accepted by Christians) --as well as the 5 Tenets of Faith of The Muslims (one of which says to help the poor and needy).
While many churches feed the hungry & clothe the nake, homelessness is NOT addressed as scripture mandates -- that is:
Practically NOBODY in ANY religion takes in the homeless people, as mandated by at least the 1st 2 passages - observe:
Isaiah 58:6-7
6[Rather] is not this the fast that I have chosen: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and that you break every [enslaving] yoke?(A)
7Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house--when you see the naked, that you cover him, and that you hide not yourself from [the needs of] your own flesh and blood?
Matthew 25:31-46 (excerpt)
see here for full cite:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=is%2058:6-7,%20mt%2025:31-46&version=AMP
43I was a stranger and you did not welcome (in other words: they didn't take in a homeless person as mandated by the Isaiah passage) Me and entertain Me, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me [f]with help and ministering care.
44Then they also [in their turn] will answer, Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?
45And He will reply to them, Solemnly I declare to you, in so far as you failed to do it for the least [[g]in the estimation of men] of these, you failed to do it for Me.(D)
46Then they will go away into eternal punishment, but those who are just and upright and in right standing with God into eternal life.(E)
See also:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=5+tenets+islam&cp=10&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=5+tenets+i&pbx=1&fp=2d73bcec2e6e3c54
http://www.saudinf.com/main/b63.htm
http://www.religion-spirituality.org/islam/doctrines-tenets.php#alms
In other words, the religions teach it, but most are hypocrites -and will probably be like in Noah's flood, where vastly more than 50% were evil & perished.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2011 11:11PM by GordonWayneWatts.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: January 23, 2011 11:19PM
GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In other words, the religions teach it, but most
> are hypocrites -and will probably be like in
> Noah's flood, where vastly more than 50% were evil
> & perished.
So what you're saying is that the religious right and self-rightous liberals have more in common than they'd like to admit. Nothing new to me.
Religion and liberals LOL
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> In other words, the religions teach it, but most
> are hypocrites -and will probably be like in
> Noah's flood, where vastly more than 50% were evil
> & perished.
So what you're saying is that the religious right and self-rightous liberals have more in common than they'd like to admit. Nothing new to me.
Religion and liberals LOL
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GordonWayneWatts
()
Date: January 23, 2011 11:21PM
tomahawk Wrote:
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> GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In other words, the religions teach it, but
> most
> > are hypocrites -and will probably be like in
> > Noah's flood, where vastly more than 50% were
> evil
> > & perished.
>
>
> So what you're saying is that the religious right
> and self-rightous liberals have more in common
> than they'd like to admit. Nothing new to me.
>
> Religion and liberals LOL
LOL -- well, ... yes. I must admit that is correct.
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> GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In other words, the religions teach it, but
> most
> > are hypocrites -and will probably be like in
> > Noah's flood, where vastly more than 50% were
> evil
> > & perished.
>
>
> So what you're saying is that the religious right
> and self-rightous liberals have more in common
> than they'd like to admit. Nothing new to me.
>
> Religion and liberals LOL
LOL -- well, ... yes. I must admit that is correct.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: January 23, 2011 11:33PM
I have a feeling GordonWayneWatts is a lot like Kevin Spacey's character out of Se7en.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
sidecar231
()
Date: January 23, 2011 11:36PM
eesh only relates to reality when it is smothered by fantasy..
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: January 23, 2011 11:38PM
sidecar231 Wrote:
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> eesh only relates to reality when it is smothered
> by fantasy..
Ask Harry Tuttle about my fantasy.
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> eesh only relates to reality when it is smothered
> by fantasy..
Ask Harry Tuttle about my fantasy.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GW!
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:07AM
sidecar231 Wrote:
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> eesh only relates to reality when it is smothered
> by fantasy..
EEEEsh! -- (What kind of screen nic is 'EESH' ?? lol)
(Maybe you would know -?)
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> eesh only relates to reality when it is smothered
> by fantasy..
EEEEsh! -- (What kind of screen nic is 'EESH' ?? lol)
(Maybe you would know -?)
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GW!
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:09AM
eesh Wrote:
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> sidecar231 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eesh only relates to reality when it is
> smothered
> > by fantasy..
>
>
>
>
>
> Ask Harry Tuttle about my fantasy.
Maybe we should ask you about your screen name. (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're normal -and that might be -what kind of screen name is ... EEEEESH! ...)
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> sidecar231 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > eesh only relates to reality when it is
> smothered
> > by fantasy..
>
>
>
>
>
> Ask Harry Tuttle about my fantasy.
Maybe we should ask you about your screen name. (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're normal -and that might be -what kind of screen name is ... EEEEESH! ...)
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:14AM
Is this supposed to be antagonistic? Is this intended to get eesh riled up? Is this what "trolling" has become?
This new world doesn't make any sense to me...
I feel the sun setting on my generation...
Unless... If it is a jab at "trolling" then I'd feel better about it...
GW! Wrote:
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> Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're normal
> -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> ... EEEEESH! ...)
Signatures are for fags
This new world doesn't make any sense to me...
I feel the sun setting on my generation...
Unless... If it is a jab at "trolling" then I'd feel better about it...
GW! Wrote:
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> Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're normal
> -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> ... EEEEESH! ...)
Signatures are for fags
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:15AM
GW! Wrote:
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>
> Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're normal
> -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> ... EEEEESH! ...)
If you buy a Bersa Breast Cancer Awareness Kit, I'll tell you what an eesh is.
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>
> Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're normal
> -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> ... EEEEESH! ...)
If you buy a Bersa Breast Cancer Awareness Kit, I'll tell you what an eesh is.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GW!
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:17AM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Is this supposed to be antagonistic? Is this
> intended to get eesh riled up? Is this what
> "trolling" has become?
>
> This new world doesn't make any sense to me...
>
> I feel the sun setting on my generation...
>
> Unless... If it is a jab at "trolling" then I'd
> feel better about it...
>
> GW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> > (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're
> normal
> > -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> > ... EEEEESH! ...)
Trolling ain't what it once was in the Wild, wild west -- we've softened up a lot as we've become old codgers.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Is this supposed to be antagonistic? Is this
> intended to get eesh riled up? Is this what
> "trolling" has become?
>
> This new world doesn't make any sense to me...
>
> I feel the sun setting on my generation...
>
> Unless... If it is a jab at "trolling" then I'd
> feel better about it...
>
> GW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> > (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're
> normal
> > -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> > ... EEEEESH! ...)
Trolling ain't what it once was in the Wild, wild west -- we've softened up a lot as we've become old codgers.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GW!
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:18AM
eesh Wrote:
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> GW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> > (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're
> normal
> > -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> > ... EEEEESH! ...)
>
>
>
>
> If you buy a Bersa Breast Cancer Awareness Kit,
> I'll tell you what an eesh is.
http://www.google.com/search?q=eesh&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADFA_en
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A2KIc0WNCz1NsPsAnHmbvZx4?p=eesh&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701
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> GW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> > (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're
> normal
> > -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> > ... EEEEESH! ...)
>
>
>
>
> If you buy a Bersa Breast Cancer Awareness Kit,
> I'll tell you what an eesh is.
http://www.google.com/search?q=eesh&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADFA_en
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A2KIc0WNCz1NsPsAnHmbvZx4?p=eesh&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GW!
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:20AM
eesh Wrote:
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> GW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> > (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're
> normal
> > -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> > ... EEEEESH! ...)
>
>
>
>
> If you buy a Bersa Breast Cancer Awareness Kit,
> I'll tell you what an eesh is.
ps: I don't need to buy the awareness kit, when I wrote the book on the *prevention* & "cure" kit -- see my links above!!
GW!
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor (and I don't play one on my website), but my cures work!!
(-://
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> GW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Maybe we should ask you about your screen name.
> > (No offense, there, bud, but even IF you're
> normal
> > -and that might be -what kind of screen name is
> > ... EEEEESH! ...)
>
>
>
>
> If you buy a Bersa Breast Cancer Awareness Kit,
> I'll tell you what an eesh is.
ps: I don't need to buy the awareness kit, when I wrote the book on the *prevention* & "cure" kit -- see my links above!!
GW!
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor (and I don't play one on my website), but my cures work!!
(-://
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:22AM
You're the codger, Rodger... My game is as sharp as it ever was...
GW! Wrote:
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> Trolling ain't what it once was in the Wild, wild
> west -- we've softened up a lot as we've become
> old codgers.
Signatures are for fags
GW! Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Trolling ain't what it once was in the Wild, wild
> west -- we've softened up a lot as we've become
> old codgers.
Signatures are for fags
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GordonWayneWatts
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:33AM
No ... actually, it really is me (who posted un-logged-in as 'GW!' ...) I just got lazy about signing in -- oh, and I wanted to mess with you (all, plural) a little.
Sometimes a 'GW' really *is* a GW.
ps: I fessed up & got 'Rodger' (whoever he is) off the hook, so I did my good deed for the day ... didn't I?
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> You're the codger, Rodger... My game is as sharp
> as it ever was...
>
> GW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trolling ain't what it once was in the Wild,
> wild
> > west -- we've softened up a lot as we've become
> > old codgers.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2011 01:23AM by GordonWayneWatts.
Sometimes a 'GW' really *is* a GW.
ps: I fessed up & got 'Rodger' (whoever he is) off the hook, so I did my good deed for the day ... didn't I?
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> You're the codger, Rodger... My game is as sharp
> as it ever was...
>
> GW! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trolling ain't what it once was in the Wild,
> wild
> > west -- we've softened up a lot as we've become
> > old codgers.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2011 01:23AM by GordonWayneWatts.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:37AM
Hey Gordon, I sent you a PM. Hope you like the short video.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GordonWayneWatts
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:39AM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> It wasn't 'Roger' it was 'Rodger', you capsicum
> head..
Ow! (Think I ought to edit my post & make the typo correction?)
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> It wasn't 'Roger' it was 'Rodger', you capsicum
> head..
Ow! (Think I ought to edit my post & make the typo correction?)
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GordonWayneWatts
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:41AM
eesh Wrote:
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> Hey Gordon, I sent you a PM. Hope you like the
> short video.
Now that was nasty - you know, some of us got 'virgin ears' (or, perhaps eyes).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2011 12:41AM by GordonWayneWatts.
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> Hey Gordon, I sent you a PM. Hope you like the
> short video.
Now that was nasty - you know, some of us got 'virgin ears' (or, perhaps eyes).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2011 12:41AM by GordonWayneWatts.
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: January 24, 2011 12:45AM
(I think you had best ought to)
GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
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> Ow! (Think I ought to edit my post & make the typo
> correction?)
Signatures are for fags
GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ow! (Think I ought to edit my post & make the typo
> correction?)
Signatures are for fags
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
The FU Mathamatician
()
Date: January 24, 2011 01:20AM
1 + 1 = 1
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
GordonWayneWatts
()
Date: January 24, 2011 01:23AM
Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> (I think you had best ought to)
>
> GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ow! (Think I ought to edit my post & make the
> typo
> > correction?)
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/489333/491108.html#msg-491108
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> (I think you had best ought to)
>
> GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ow! (Think I ought to edit my post & make the
> typo
> > correction?)
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/489333/491108.html#msg-491108
Re: Religious Beliefs and Commerce
Posted by:
Harry Tuttle
()
Date: January 24, 2011 01:26AM
Neat trick..
GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
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> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/48
> 9333/491108.html#msg-491108
Signatures are for fags
GordonWayneWatts Wrote:
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> http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/48
> 9333/491108.html#msg-491108
Signatures are for fags