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Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
Atlas 2
()
Date: January 10, 2011 07:37AM
That puke in Arizona need to be executed NOW, right? Any sinveling coward who shoots nine year olds should go out like Mel Gibson's chracter in Braveheart did: too bad we will have to settle for lethal injection about twenty years from now.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
Warhawk
()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:21AM
What they should have done was just taken him around back and put a bullet in his brain. He did it and there was no doubt since he was tackled in the act of shooting. A $.20 bullet would save the taxpayers a lot of money.
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Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
justsayin
()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:25AM
No one should be killing, including the government. If they had "taken him 'round back" and administered "justice" we wouldn't get the benefit of the education and warning signs of people who do this kind of thing.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
Atlas 2
()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:26AM
Couldn't agree more, although I would rather have had the Army guy, Badger I think it was, break his neck right there on the spot. Bullets are too quick
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:27AM
He'll be indicted under federal statutes - murder of a federal employee (the judge and the Hill staffer). Those two are both DP eligible. Attempted murder of the congressman does not get your the death penality, but murdering somebody else in a planned "assassination" attempt would also get you the DP from what I remember.
Given that it's going to be an Arizona jury, this guy is toast.
Given that it's going to be an Arizona jury, this guy is toast.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
Atlas 2
()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:32AM
Well, it certainly was premeditated too,no doubt about that. It would be som uch more simplistic to just trash him on scene.
Justsayin' why do you feel it is not just to administer the ultimate retribution?
Justsayin' why do you feel it is not just to administer the ultimate retribution?
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
ThePackLeader
()
Date: January 10, 2011 07:19PM
In the words of Detective Alonzo Harris: "You know what you get for that...? The gas chamber. You know what the gas chamber smells like? Pine oil. I'ma send you to a pine oil heaven."
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
themuse
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:03PM
justsayin Wrote:
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> we wouldn't get the
> benefit of the education and warning signs of
> people who do this kind of thing.
+100
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> we wouldn't get the
> benefit of the education and warning signs of
> people who do this kind of thing.
+100
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Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:05PM
yayh! electroshock therapy. Almost as good as insulin therapy.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
6X
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:07PM
Dudes a nut he'll get put in the nut house like John Hinckley, Jr. who shot Pres. Reagan and three others back in 81.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:20PM
Possibly. Statements by media and law enforcement people on the TV and in the print press are certainly making Judy Clarke's job easier. She'll argue in pre-trial motions that everyone on the face of the planet has pronounced him mentally disturbed, so it MUST be true.
On the other hand, while Hinkley shot the president, James Brady, a secret service agent, and a DC police officer, none of them died.
6 died here (including two federal employees).
I expect this case to be moved out of Arizona on motion by Judy Clarke. She'll argue that you cannot find an impartial jury and certainly not an impartial judge in Arizona. If the judge grants the motion for change of venue, expect the prosecution to request a trial in San Diego (juries there recommend death penalties quite often).
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2011 08:21PM by ITRADE.
On the other hand, while Hinkley shot the president, James Brady, a secret service agent, and a DC police officer, none of them died.
6 died here (including two federal employees).
I expect this case to be moved out of Arizona on motion by Judy Clarke. She'll argue that you cannot find an impartial jury and certainly not an impartial judge in Arizona. If the judge grants the motion for change of venue, expect the prosecution to request a trial in San Diego (juries there recommend death penalties quite often).
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2011 08:21PM by ITRADE.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
6X
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:40PM
ITRADE Wrote:
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> Possibly. Statements by media and law enforcement
> people on the TV and in the print press are
> certainly making Judy Clarke's job easier. She'll
> argue in pre-trial motions that everyone on the
> face of the planet has pronounced him mentally
> disturbed, so it MUST be true.
>
> On the other hand, while Hinkley shot the
> president, James Brady, a secret service agent,
> and a DC police officer, none of them died.
>
> 6 died here (including two federal employees).
>
> I expect this case to be moved out of Arizona on
> motion by Judy Clarke. She'll argue that you
> cannot find an impartial jury and certainly not an
> impartial judge in Arizona. If the judge grants
> the motion for change of venue, expect the
> prosecution to request a trial in San Diego
> (juries there recommend death penalties quite
> often).
Hinckley's intent was the same.. TO KILL. He was just a bad shot and their was alot of security for the Pres.
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> Possibly. Statements by media and law enforcement
> people on the TV and in the print press are
> certainly making Judy Clarke's job easier. She'll
> argue in pre-trial motions that everyone on the
> face of the planet has pronounced him mentally
> disturbed, so it MUST be true.
>
> On the other hand, while Hinkley shot the
> president, James Brady, a secret service agent,
> and a DC police officer, none of them died.
>
> 6 died here (including two federal employees).
>
> I expect this case to be moved out of Arizona on
> motion by Judy Clarke. She'll argue that you
> cannot find an impartial jury and certainly not an
> impartial judge in Arizona. If the judge grants
> the motion for change of venue, expect the
> prosecution to request a trial in San Diego
> (juries there recommend death penalties quite
> often).
Hinckley's intent was the same.. TO KILL. He was just a bad shot and their was alot of security for the Pres.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
themuse
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:41PM
ITRADE Wrote:
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> yayh! electroshock therapy. Almost as good as
> insulin therapy.
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> yayh! electroshock therapy. Almost as good as
> insulin therapy.
Attachments:
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:45PM
Warhawk Wrote:
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> What they should have done was just taken him
> around back and put a bullet in his brain. He did
> it and there was no doubt since he was tackled in
> the act of shooting. A $.20 bullet would save the
> taxpayers a lot of money.
Yeah! Fuck the constitution! I want to live in a bananna republic where cops just murder people in the street! USA! USA!
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> What they should have done was just taken him
> around back and put a bullet in his brain. He did
> it and there was no doubt since he was tackled in
> the act of shooting. A $.20 bullet would save the
> taxpayers a lot of money.
Yeah! Fuck the constitution! I want to live in a bananna republic where cops just murder people in the street! USA! USA!
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:49PM
6X Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Possibly. Statements by media and law
> enforcement
> > people on the TV and in the print press are
> > certainly making Judy Clarke's job easier.
> She'll
> > argue in pre-trial motions that everyone on the
> > face of the planet has pronounced him mentally
> > disturbed, so it MUST be true.
> >
> > On the other hand, while Hinkley shot the
> > president, James Brady, a secret service agent,
> > and a DC police officer, none of them died.
> >
> > 6 died here (including two federal employees).
>
> >
> > I expect this case to be moved out of Arizona
> on
> > motion by Judy Clarke. She'll argue that you
> > cannot find an impartial jury and certainly not
> an
> > impartial judge in Arizona. If the judge
> grants
> > the motion for change of venue, expect the
> > prosecution to request a trial in San Diego
> > (juries there recommend death penalties quite
> > often).
>
>
> Hinckley's intent was the same.. TO KILL. He was
> just a bad shot and their was alot of security for
> the Pres.
Intent is relevant only in determining a degree of culpability. Simple fact: Loughner killed somebody; Hinckley did not. Attempted murder versus murder. To my knowledge there is no state in the USA (and no federal statute) which provides for capital punishment for attempted murder. There are plenty of states that have the DP for murder (various states have varying degrees of aggravation). A couple states also have the DP for rape (usually involving a child).
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Possibly. Statements by media and law
> enforcement
> > people on the TV and in the print press are
> > certainly making Judy Clarke's job easier.
> She'll
> > argue in pre-trial motions that everyone on the
> > face of the planet has pronounced him mentally
> > disturbed, so it MUST be true.
> >
> > On the other hand, while Hinkley shot the
> > president, James Brady, a secret service agent,
> > and a DC police officer, none of them died.
> >
> > 6 died here (including two federal employees).
>
> >
> > I expect this case to be moved out of Arizona
> on
> > motion by Judy Clarke. She'll argue that you
> > cannot find an impartial jury and certainly not
> an
> > impartial judge in Arizona. If the judge
> grants
> > the motion for change of venue, expect the
> > prosecution to request a trial in San Diego
> > (juries there recommend death penalties quite
> > often).
>
>
> Hinckley's intent was the same.. TO KILL. He was
> just a bad shot and their was alot of security for
> the Pres.
Intent is relevant only in determining a degree of culpability. Simple fact: Loughner killed somebody; Hinckley did not. Attempted murder versus murder. To my knowledge there is no state in the USA (and no federal statute) which provides for capital punishment for attempted murder. There are plenty of states that have the DP for murder (various states have varying degrees of aggravation). A couple states also have the DP for rape (usually involving a child).
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
ITRADE
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:49PM
themuse Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yayh! electroshock therapy. Almost as good as
> > insulin therapy.
What the hell is that?
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yayh! electroshock therapy. Almost as good as
> > insulin therapy.
What the hell is that?
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:51PM
ITRADE Wrote:
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> themuse Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ITRADE Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > yayh! electroshock therapy. Almost as good
> as
> > > insulin therapy.
>
>
> What the hell is that?
Looks like a lobotomy.
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> themuse Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ITRADE Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > yayh! electroshock therapy. Almost as good
> as
> > > insulin therapy.
>
>
> What the hell is that?
Looks like a lobotomy.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: January 10, 2011 08:56PM
From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobotomy :
"This new "transorbital" lobotomy involved lifting the upper eyelid and placing the point of a thin surgical instrument (often called an orbitoclast or leucotome, although quite different from the wire loop leucotome described above) under the eyelid and against the top of the eyesocket. A mallet was used to drive the orbitoclast through the thin layer of bone and into the brain along the plane of the bridge of the nose, around fifteen degrees toward the interhemispherical fissure. The orbitoclast was mallated five centimetres into the frontal lobes, and then pivoted forty degrees at the orbit perforation so the tip cut toward the opposite side of the head (toward the nose). The instrument was returned to the neutral position and sent a further two centimetres into the brain, before being pivoted around twenty eight degrees each side, to cut outwards and again inwards (In a more radical variation at the end of the last cut described, the butt of the orbitoclast was forced upwards so the tool cut vertically down the side of the cortex of the interhemispherical fissure; the "Deep frontal cut".) All cuts were designed to transect the white fibrous matter connecting the cortical tissue of the prefrontal cortex to the thalamus. The leucotome was then withdrawn and the procedure repeated on the other side."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2011 08:57PM by tomahawk.
"This new "transorbital" lobotomy involved lifting the upper eyelid and placing the point of a thin surgical instrument (often called an orbitoclast or leucotome, although quite different from the wire loop leucotome described above) under the eyelid and against the top of the eyesocket. A mallet was used to drive the orbitoclast through the thin layer of bone and into the brain along the plane of the bridge of the nose, around fifteen degrees toward the interhemispherical fissure. The orbitoclast was mallated five centimetres into the frontal lobes, and then pivoted forty degrees at the orbit perforation so the tip cut toward the opposite side of the head (toward the nose). The instrument was returned to the neutral position and sent a further two centimetres into the brain, before being pivoted around twenty eight degrees each side, to cut outwards and again inwards (In a more radical variation at the end of the last cut described, the butt of the orbitoclast was forced upwards so the tool cut vertically down the side of the cortex of the interhemispherical fissure; the "Deep frontal cut".) All cuts were designed to transect the white fibrous matter connecting the cortical tissue of the prefrontal cortex to the thalamus. The leucotome was then withdrawn and the procedure repeated on the other side."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/2011 08:57PM by tomahawk.
Re: Death Penalty NOW
Posted by:
6X
()
Date: January 10, 2011 09:10PM
ITRADE Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 6X Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ITRADE Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Possibly. Statements by media and law
> > enforcement
> > > people on the TV and in the print press are
> > > certainly making Judy Clarke's job easier.
> > She'll
> > > argue in pre-trial motions that everyone on
> the
> > > face of the planet has pronounced him
> mentally
> > > disturbed, so it MUST be true.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, while Hinkley shot the
> > > president, James Brady, a secret service
> agent,
> > > and a DC police officer, none of them died.
> > >
> > > 6 died here (including two federal employees).
>
> >
> > >
> > > I expect this case to be moved out of Arizona
> > on
> > > motion by Judy Clarke. She'll argue that you
> > > cannot find an impartial jury and certainly
> not
> > an
> > > impartial judge in Arizona. If the judge
> > grants
> > > the motion for change of venue, expect the
> > > prosecution to request a trial in San Diego
> > > (juries there recommend death penalties quite
> > > often).
> >
> >
> > Hinckley's intent was the same.. TO KILL. He
> was
> > just a bad shot and their was alot of security
> for
> > the Pres.
>
>
> Intent is relevant only in determining a degree of
> culpability. Simple fact: Loughner killed
> somebody; Hinckley did not. Attempted murder
> versus murder. To my knowledge there is no state
> in the USA (and no federal statute) which provides
> for capital punishment for attempted murder.
> There are plenty of states that have the DP for
> murder (various states have varying degrees of
> aggravation). A couple states also have the DP
> for rape (usually involving a child).
I agree what he did is a horrific tragedy, but he is not a radical as much as he is a nut.
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> 6X Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ITRADE Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Possibly. Statements by media and law
> > enforcement
> > > people on the TV and in the print press are
> > > certainly making Judy Clarke's job easier.
> > She'll
> > > argue in pre-trial motions that everyone on
> the
> > > face of the planet has pronounced him
> mentally
> > > disturbed, so it MUST be true.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, while Hinkley shot the
> > > president, James Brady, a secret service
> agent,
> > > and a DC police officer, none of them died.
> > >
> > > 6 died here (including two federal employees).
>
> >
> > >
> > > I expect this case to be moved out of Arizona
> > on
> > > motion by Judy Clarke. She'll argue that you
> > > cannot find an impartial jury and certainly
> not
> > an
> > > impartial judge in Arizona. If the judge
> > grants
> > > the motion for change of venue, expect the
> > > prosecution to request a trial in San Diego
> > > (juries there recommend death penalties quite
> > > often).
> >
> >
> > Hinckley's intent was the same.. TO KILL. He
> was
> > just a bad shot and their was alot of security
> for
> > the Pres.
>
>
> Intent is relevant only in determining a degree of
> culpability. Simple fact: Loughner killed
> somebody; Hinckley did not. Attempted murder
> versus murder. To my knowledge there is no state
> in the USA (and no federal statute) which provides
> for capital punishment for attempted murder.
> There are plenty of states that have the DP for
> murder (various states have varying degrees of
> aggravation). A couple states also have the DP
> for rape (usually involving a child).
I agree what he did is a horrific tragedy, but he is not a radical as much as he is a nut.