So, some of us were talking last night at our holiday about USA fragmentation (way too much vodka going around the room).

What scenarios could you see?

The South (not including Texas)?
The North?
California?
Texas Republic?

Etc.

It would never happen, but I would love for the Blue States like California and New York to stop paying the Federal taxes that support Red States like Alaska and Mississippi. Alaska would be virtually uninhabited in five years if that happened.

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Petoria

Mexico will become their own country.. oh wait...

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Here is what the Russians predict.
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FurfaxTownie Wrote:
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> Here is what the Russians predict.


This was Vince(1)'s big crusade back in the day.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Alaska would be
> virtually uninhabited in five years if that
> happened.

Not sure I agree there. As long as oil is at $82.00 a barrel, you're going to have some healthy dividends for Alaskans.

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> Not sure I agree there. As long as oil is at
> $82.00 a barrel, you're going to have some healthy
> dividends for Alaskans.


Because they don't pay for their infrastructure. We are subsidizing that dividend.

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If Alaska went independent, they would just sell their oil for a lot of money. They would be able to afford plenty of infrastructure, as it is likely they would be running a bit like Venezuela today.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

According to John Titor, rural parts of America will begin seceding after an escalating series of Waco-like events, while the US govt. consolidates its power around major metropolitan centers.

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> According to John Titor, rural parts of America
> will begin seceding after an escalating series of
> Waco-like events, while the US govt. consolidates
> its power around major metropolitan centers.


LMAO.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

Not sure where you get that assertion from. ARCO and BP were responsible for the construction of the pipeline. Federal roads et al are Federal, but thats the same regardless of if you're in Alaska, Hawaii, or Florida.

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> Not sure where you get that assertion from. ARCO
> and BP were responsible for the construction of
> the pipeline. Federal roads et al are Federal,
> but thats the same regardless of if you're in
> Alaska, Hawaii, or Florida.

That is the myth of the left. Alaska was just a bunch of bumpkins that owe their entire existence to the Federal government.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

California would split into two, Los Angeles to San Diego is completely different culturally from San Francisco/northern California.

Northern Virginia would break away from the rest of the state and join the north, Stafford County and below would join the old South.

Miami area would separate from the rest of Florida.

Texas would of course be its own territory.

Montana and the Dakotas would join together.

New York City would separate from the rest of the state.

Maryland to Maine would join together.

If Montana or Idaho became their own territory, they would rank third or fourth as largest nuclear arsenals.

I just like how this dude thinks Alaska "will go to Russia" as though Canada will oblige the Ruskies to sit on their doorstep and forfiet all those natural resources. Especially after capturing the whole Midwest.

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> That is the myth of the left. Alaska was just a
> bunch of bumpkins that owe their entire existence
> to the Federal government.

It's not a myth.

Kentucky receives 1.51 per tax dollar paid. Virginia receives 1.51 per tax dollar paid. South Dakota receives 1.53 per tax dollar paid. Alabama receives 1.66 per tax dollar paid. North Dakota receives 1.68 per tax dollar paid. West Virginia receives 1.76 per tax dollar paid. Louisiana receives 1.78 per tax dollar paid. Alaska receives 1.84 per tax dollar paid. Mississippi receives 2.02 per tax dollar paid. New Mexico receives 2.03 per tax dollar paid.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > That is the myth of the left. Alaska was just a
> > bunch of bumpkins that owe their entire
> existence
> > to the Federal government.
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> It's not a myth.
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> Kentucky receives 1.51 per tax dollar paid.
> Virginia receives 1.51 per tax dollar paid. South
> Dakota receives 1.53 per tax dollar paid. Alabama
> receives 1.66 per tax dollar paid. North Dakota
> receives 1.68 per tax dollar paid. West Virginia
> receives 1.76 per tax dollar paid. Louisiana
> receives 1.78 per tax dollar paid. Alaska receives
> 1.84 per tax dollar paid. Mississippi receives
> 2.02 per tax dollar paid. New Mexico receives 2.03
> per tax dollar paid.

Based on that, so does Virginia and many other states. We better get rid of DC too, that place is nothing but a money sink. I see you have been studying at the mis-information bureau.

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DC gets the most Federal tax allotments because it is the Federal City. The Capitol is in DC and the Feds PAY for the infrastructure they use.

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As Apu says:

The South will come again.

Could give a shit about the rest of the states but as far Virginia is concerned, anything south of the Occoquan River should be daisy chained into oblivion and called South Virginia. Special consideration made to Richmond as North Guantanamo.

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> Special
> consideration made to Richmond as North
> Guantanamo.


Play Meade 24/7 through those loud speakers. That will break those bastards!

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the south rise again... and then promptly fall.

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> Petoria

LOL!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

496 Wrote:
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> Could give a shit about the rest of the states but
> as far Virginia is concerned, anything south of
> the Occoquan River should be daisy chained into
> oblivion and called South Virginia. Special
> consideration made to Richmond as North
> Guantanamo.


Does that mean all the liberal sissies in Charlotteville can die?

I kind of like the "city state" idea in terms of fragmentation- if there were some way to split up a state constitutionally- it makes sense for supercities such as the New York metro area, even DC/Arlington/Fairfax/ Parts of Maryland could be quite a large "city state" . . .

It might make more sense, considering the major impact metro areas have on the economy, demographics, and politics . . .

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One more thing- If Virginia Were a Nation:

Area: 42,774.2 sq mi, about the same as Cuba-
Population: ~ 8 Million, about the same as Switzerland
Population Density: 193/sq mile About the same as Egypt
GDP: 383 Billion Dollars, about the same as Saudi Arabia (!!!)



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What would trigger such a fragmentation? I can conceive a state wanting to split, e.g. California. But why would the south or Texas think they're better off in this global economy?

Wolverines!

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> What would trigger such a fragmentation? I can
> conceive a state wanting to split, e.g.
> California. But why would the south or Texas think
> they're better off in this global economy?


Same thing that triggered it in 1861: tax policy/money problems.

And the result is likely to be just as bloody. Unlike the USSR, the USA is unlikely to break up without a lot of violence.

Are you serious? No slash slavery? The secession was tax related?

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> > That is the myth of the left. Alaska was just a
> > bunch of bumpkins that owe their entire
> existence
> > to the Federal government.
>
> It's not a myth.
>
> Kentucky receives 1.51 per tax dollar paid.
> Virginia receives 1.51 per tax dollar paid. South
> Dakota receives 1.53 per tax dollar paid. Alabama
> receives 1.66 per tax dollar paid. North Dakota
> receives 1.68 per tax dollar paid. West Virginia
> receives 1.76 per tax dollar paid. Louisiana
> receives 1.78 per tax dollar paid. Alaska receives
> 1.84 per tax dollar paid. Mississippi receives
> 2.02 per tax dollar paid. New Mexico receives 2.03
> per tax dollar paid.

You are being extremely shortssighted and naive about this. Do you think the same regulations that are currently in place in AK would exist in an independant AK? If not, how much more mineral extraction would take place? Oil extraction?