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Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 15, 2010 07:31AM
Whatever happened to the promises of transparency from Obama?
Wasn't the new administration going to post new legislation like the health care bill online for the American public to read before it was signed into law?
Man, that sure sounded good when they promised it!
Wasn't the new administration going to post new legislation like the health care bill online for the American public to read before it was signed into law?
Man, that sure sounded good when they promised it!
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Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
Voter____
()
Date: December 15, 2010 07:38AM
Cato's Mr. Harper said he would like to see full compliance from the administration on the president's so-called "sunlight before signing" pledge, which got off to a "lousy start" in 2009 when the White House posted only six out of 124 bills on its website for the requisite five days before Mr. Obama signed them. As of Nov. 8, Mr. Obama had adhered to his pledge 103 out of 159 times this year, with one exception for an "emergency" bill.
Mr. Harper and other observers preface their criticisms by noting that many of the challenges are institutional and not inherent to Mr. Obama, and give him credit for taking the first steps by issuing directives and executive orders. It's the follow-through where his administration is coming up short, they say.
An Office of Management and Budget official, who wouldn't speak on the record, said the agency is making headway on making information more available online at Data.gov, which compiles statistics submitted by agencies under the open-government directive. For example, the website now includes more than 300,000 data sets and has given rise to independent applications such as FlyOnTime.us, which culls government statistics and combines them with weather forecasts and even tweets to produce real-time estimates of travel times.
In addition, the official cited the stimulus-tracking website Recovery.gov and said the administration is expanding USASpending.gov so that for fiscal 2011, the public can federal agencies' payments to primary recipients as well as payments made by those recipients to other entities. Earlier this summer, the administration unveiled PaymentAccuracy.gov, which lists each agency's improper payments, and it is working on a website called Performance.gov, which will let users track progress on "high-priority goals" when it is rolled out to the public in the coming weeks.
Still, Ms. Sloan said she gives the White House a good deal of credit for being "way more responsive" to watchdog groups than the Bush administration was, even if they don't always see eye to eye: "At least they listen to what you're saying; they return your phone calls."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/nov/28/obamas-transparency-record-not-so-clear/?page=1
Mr. Harper and other observers preface their criticisms by noting that many of the challenges are institutional and not inherent to Mr. Obama, and give him credit for taking the first steps by issuing directives and executive orders. It's the follow-through where his administration is coming up short, they say.
An Office of Management and Budget official, who wouldn't speak on the record, said the agency is making headway on making information more available online at Data.gov, which compiles statistics submitted by agencies under the open-government directive. For example, the website now includes more than 300,000 data sets and has given rise to independent applications such as FlyOnTime.us, which culls government statistics and combines them with weather forecasts and even tweets to produce real-time estimates of travel times.
In addition, the official cited the stimulus-tracking website Recovery.gov and said the administration is expanding USASpending.gov so that for fiscal 2011, the public can federal agencies' payments to primary recipients as well as payments made by those recipients to other entities. Earlier this summer, the administration unveiled PaymentAccuracy.gov, which lists each agency's improper payments, and it is working on a website called Performance.gov, which will let users track progress on "high-priority goals" when it is rolled out to the public in the coming weeks.
Still, Ms. Sloan said she gives the White House a good deal of credit for being "way more responsive" to watchdog groups than the Bush administration was, even if they don't always see eye to eye: "At least they listen to what you're saying; they return your phone calls."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/nov/28/obamas-transparency-record-not-so-clear/?page=1
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 15, 2010 07:57AM
6 out of 124?
103 out of 159?
It's all plastic strokes to present this as if "progress is ebibg made" or "we're still trying to work this out".
What kind of bills were listed? I am guessing not the ones that had any type of signifigance or substance.
Was the Obamacare Health Care bill listed for the public to see what we were going into debt for?
How hard would it really be to post this stuff, doesn't the WH have a webmaster?
If Obamas legislation is so well thought out and intelligently crafted, he should be more than proud to publicize and put it out for the public.
103 out of 159?
It's all plastic strokes to present this as if "progress is ebibg made" or "we're still trying to work this out".
What kind of bills were listed? I am guessing not the ones that had any type of signifigance or substance.
Was the Obamacare Health Care bill listed for the public to see what we were going into debt for?
How hard would it really be to post this stuff, doesn't the WH have a webmaster?
If Obamas legislation is so well thought out and intelligently crafted, he should be more than proud to publicize and put it out for the public.
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Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 15, 2010 08:19AM
If conservatives were serious about their need for transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over Wikileaks.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 15, 2010 08:20AM
Obama and his administration are pretty happy about Wikileaks too, aren't they?
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over
> Wikileaks.
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over
> Wikileaks.
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Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 15, 2010 08:38AM
WingNut Wrote:
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> Obama and his administration are pretty happy
> about Wikileaks too, aren't they?
I'm sure your average conservative would be criticizing them no matter what the administration's stance was on the issue. Obama could come out and put Assange in a headlock and they'd still be whining on and on.
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> Obama and his administration are pretty happy
> about Wikileaks too, aren't they?
I'm sure your average conservative would be criticizing them no matter what the administration's stance was on the issue. Obama could come out and put Assange in a headlock and they'd still be whining on and on.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 15, 2010 08:44AM
Obama probably could put Assange in a headlock if he trained for 5 or 6 months and gained a little weight. As it stands now, I see an even fight.
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama and his administration are pretty happy
> > about Wikileaks too, aren't they?
>
> I'm sure your average conservative would be
> criticizing them no matter what the
> administration's stance was on the issue. Obama
> could come out and put Assange in a headlock and
> they'd still be whining on and on.
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama and his administration are pretty happy
> > about Wikileaks too, aren't they?
>
> I'm sure your average conservative would be
> criticizing them no matter what the
> administration's stance was on the issue. Obama
> could come out and put Assange in a headlock and
> they'd still be whining on and on.
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Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
village idiot
()
Date: December 15, 2010 08:49AM
Two different points in my mind, bills should be posted online and our representatives should be reading what they are voting on. Classified or national security issues shouldn't be public knowledge and posted online for all to read.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
WingNut
()
Date: December 15, 2010 09:03AM
There have been a lot of cases where bills aren't read by those who sign them and the congressman just accepts the summarized version his staff or the other congress pukes give them. The Patriot Act and Healthcare are two recent examples.
Personally, I've signed more than one real estate doc without belaboring every letter and word, but this is very different. I think these overpaid creeps should have to initial every single page of any bill that comes before them. Hold their fucking asses accountable.
village idiot Wrote:
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> Two different points in my mind, bills should be
> posted online and our representatives should be
> reading what they are voting on. Classified or
> national security issues shouldn't be public
> knowledge and posted online for all to read.
Personally, I've signed more than one real estate doc without belaboring every letter and word, but this is very different. I think these overpaid creeps should have to initial every single page of any bill that comes before them. Hold their fucking asses accountable.
village idiot Wrote:
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> Two different points in my mind, bills should be
> posted online and our representatives should be
> reading what they are voting on. Classified or
> national security issues shouldn't be public
> knowledge and posted online for all to read.
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Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
Quentin
()
Date: December 15, 2010 09:58AM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over
> Wikileaks.
Do you understand the difference between transparency and national security? Jeebus you are a tard. Newsflash, genius, Assange isn't posting the text of legislation on the web.
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> If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over
> Wikileaks.
Do you understand the difference between transparency and national security? Jeebus you are a tard. Newsflash, genius, Assange isn't posting the text of legislation on the web.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 15, 2010 10:10AM
Quentin Wrote:
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>
> Do you understand the difference between transparency and national security?
Did Scooter Libby? Richard Armitage? Bush? Cheney?
If conservative leaders were so hellbent on maintaining national security bin Laden would've been locked up years ago.
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>
> Do you understand the difference between transparency and national security?
Did Scooter Libby? Richard Armitage? Bush? Cheney?
If conservative leaders were so hellbent on maintaining national security bin Laden would've been locked up years ago.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
mcsmack
()
Date: December 15, 2010 10:46AM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over
> Wikileaks.
I'm a conservative Meep. I'm not going apeshit over wikileaks.
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> If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over
> Wikileaks.
I'm a conservative Meep. I'm not going apeshit over wikileaks.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
black helo
()
Date: December 15, 2010 11:14AM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Quentin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Do you understand the difference between
> transparency and national security?
>
> Did Scooter Libby? Richard Armitage? Bush?
> Cheney?
>
> If conservative leaders were so hellbent on
> maintaining national security bin Laden would've
> been locked up years ago.
Roll out the conspiracy websites in 3........2...........1.........
Get some help, dude.
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> Quentin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Do you understand the difference between
> transparency and national security?
>
> Did Scooter Libby? Richard Armitage? Bush?
> Cheney?
>
> If conservative leaders were so hellbent on
> maintaining national security bin Laden would've
> been locked up years ago.
Roll out the conspiracy websites in 3........2...........1.........
Get some help, dude.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 15, 2010 11:25AM
black helo Wrote:
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>
> Roll out the conspiracy websites in
> 3........2...........1.........
>
> Get some help, dude.
Yeah, hunting around for WMD in Iraq for 8 years, that's a real conspiracy theory alright. Real improvement to our national security too.
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>
> Roll out the conspiracy websites in
> 3........2...........1.........
>
> Get some help, dude.
Yeah, hunting around for WMD in Iraq for 8 years, that's a real conspiracy theory alright. Real improvement to our national security too.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
haha!
()
Date: December 15, 2010 12:26PM
PWND!
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
Blue Suicide
()
Date: December 15, 2010 12:31PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> black helo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Roll out the conspiracy websites in
> > 3........2...........1.........
> >
> > Get some help, dude.
>
> Yeah, hunting around for WMD in Iraq for 8 years,
> that's a real conspiracy theory alright. Real
> improvement to our national security too.
Attachments:
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> black helo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > Roll out the conspiracy websites in
> > 3........2...........1.........
> >
> > Get some help, dude.
>
> Yeah, hunting around for WMD in Iraq for 8 years,
> that's a real conspiracy theory alright. Real
> improvement to our national security too.
Attachments:
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
repeeMehT
()
Date: December 15, 2010 03:47PM
'The Meeper' wrote :
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> "If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over Wikileaks"
EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP POINTING THAT SHITTY FINGER
AND TURN IT AROUND AT YOURSELF. YOU NEVER CEASE TO
AMAZE WITH YOU RETARDED COMMENTS, TheMeeper.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY OF LAWS, AND
YOUR DUMBASS USES POTENTIALLY DAMAGING INFORMATION TO
NATIONAL SECURITY AS AN ANALOGY.
BRILLIANT !
YOU SIMPLETON LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ARE ALL THE SAME.
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> "If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over Wikileaks"
EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES.
WHY DON'T YOU STOP POINTING THAT SHITTY FINGER
AND TURN IT AROUND AT YOURSELF. YOU NEVER CEASE TO
AMAZE WITH YOU RETARDED COMMENTS, TheMeeper.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY OF LAWS, AND
YOUR DUMBASS USES POTENTIALLY DAMAGING INFORMATION TO
NATIONAL SECURITY AS AN ANALOGY.
BRILLIANT !
YOU SIMPLETON LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ARE ALL THE SAME.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
repeeMehT
()
Date: December 15, 2010 03:59PM
'TheMeeper' wrote :
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> Yeah, hunting around for WMD in Iraq for 8 years,
> that's a real conspiracy theory alright.
ACTUALLY THERE IS NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR TO WHAT
YOU MENTIONED, AND A "CONSPIRACY THEORY"
[BUT I WOULDN'T EXPECT A MORON LIKE YOU TO UNDERDTAND THAT]
> "Real improvement to our national security too."
SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT, YOU IDIOT.
MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE OUR NEXT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.
WITH THE STUPIDITY ASSCLOWNS LIKE YOURSELF REGULARLY
PUT ON DISPLAY, I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE LABELED A DEMOCRAT.
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> Yeah, hunting around for WMD in Iraq for 8 years,
> that's a real conspiracy theory alright.
ACTUALLY THERE IS NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR TO WHAT
YOU MENTIONED, AND A "CONSPIRACY THEORY"
[BUT I WOULDN'T EXPECT A MORON LIKE YOU TO UNDERDTAND THAT]
> "Real improvement to our national security too."
SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT, YOU IDIOT.
MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE OUR NEXT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.
WITH THE STUPIDITY ASSCLOWNS LIKE YOURSELF REGULARLY
PUT ON DISPLAY, I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE LABELED A DEMOCRAT.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 15, 2010 04:06PM
Tool@AOL Wrote:
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>
> I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE LABELED A DEMOCRAT.
I'm not a Democrat.
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>
> I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE LABELED A DEMOCRAT.
I'm not a Democrat.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
repeeMehT
()
Date: December 15, 2010 04:24PM
NO YOUR NOT, YOU ARE A RUNG OR TWO OF STUPID ABOVE A DEMOCRAT;
YOU'RE A RETARDOCRAT !
YOU'RE A RETARDOCRAT !
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: December 15, 2010 10:32PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over
> Wikileaks.
I'm no conservative, and I wonder what happened to his transparency promise.
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> If conservatives were serious about their need for
> transparency they wouldn't be going apeshit over
> Wikileaks.
I'm no conservative, and I wonder what happened to his transparency promise.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
real life
()
Date: December 16, 2010 09:51AM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Tool@AOL Wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE LABELED A DEMOCRAT.
>
> I'm not a Democrat.
It is convenient and easy to say that in a state that does not require party registration. The fact remains you rail against Republicans incessantly. There is nothing wrong with that and the GOP deserves much disdain. But, please don't pull this "I'm not a Democrat" bullshit. When was the last time you voted for a Republican? If it has been over five years, you ARE a Democrat - no matter how much you pretend not to be.
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> Tool@AOL Wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE LABELED A DEMOCRAT.
>
> I'm not a Democrat.
It is convenient and easy to say that in a state that does not require party registration. The fact remains you rail against Republicans incessantly. There is nothing wrong with that and the GOP deserves much disdain. But, please don't pull this "I'm not a Democrat" bullshit. When was the last time you voted for a Republican? If it has been over five years, you ARE a Democrat - no matter how much you pretend not to be.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 16, 2010 10:59AM
real life Wrote:
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>
> But, please don't
> pull this "I'm not a Democrat" bullshit.
It would be retarded and untrue if I said I was a Democrat. I'm not. Not really sure how that's "bullshit", but since you're a conservative my guess is your worldview doesn't really reflect reality anyway.
Last Republican I voted for, hmmm, not really sure but it would've been the person who ran against Janet Howell (I think). At a national level, it would be George W. Bush in the 2000 election.
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>
> But, please don't
> pull this "I'm not a Democrat" bullshit.
It would be retarded and untrue if I said I was a Democrat. I'm not. Not really sure how that's "bullshit", but since you're a conservative my guess is your worldview doesn't really reflect reality anyway.
Last Republican I voted for, hmmm, not really sure but it would've been the person who ran against Janet Howell (I think). At a national level, it would be George W. Bush in the 2000 election.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
real life
()
Date: December 16, 2010 12:10PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> but since you're a conservative my
> guess is your worldview doesn't really reflect
> reality anyway.
Actually, I consider myself a Democrat. I don't try to act like I am above the fray in order to make my points sound less biased.
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> but since you're a conservative my
> guess is your worldview doesn't really reflect
> reality anyway.
Actually, I consider myself a Democrat. I don't try to act like I am above the fray in order to make my points sound less biased.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 16, 2010 12:17PM
real life Wrote:
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>
> Actually, I consider myself a Democrat. I don't
> try to act like I am above the fray in order to
> make my points sound less biased.
Yeah right, dumbass. I'm sure a good Democrat like you is just livid because I "rail against Republicans incessantly". You sound so believable.
It's seriously like a never-ending stream of total horseshit from you conservative jerkoffs.
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>
> Actually, I consider myself a Democrat. I don't
> try to act like I am above the fray in order to
> make my points sound less biased.
Yeah right, dumbass. I'm sure a good Democrat like you is just livid because I "rail against Republicans incessantly". You sound so believable.
It's seriously like a never-ending stream of total horseshit from you conservative jerkoffs.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
real life
()
Date: December 16, 2010 12:34PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> real life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Actually, I consider myself a Democrat. I
> don't
> > try to act like I am above the fray in order to
> > make my points sound less biased.
>
> Yeah right, dumbass. I'm sure a good Democrat
> like you is just livid because I "rail against
> Republicans incessantly". You sound so
> believable.
>
> It's seriously like a never-ending stream of total
> horseshit from you conservative jerkoffs.
LOL. I actually "rail against the GOP incessantly." I just don't feel the need to hide behind a fake "independant" label. The only horseshit is your "Im not a Democrat" insitance. Own up, man. You are a Democrat and there is NOTHING wrong with that.
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> real life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Actually, I consider myself a Democrat. I
> don't
> > try to act like I am above the fray in order to
> > make my points sound less biased.
>
> Yeah right, dumbass. I'm sure a good Democrat
> like you is just livid because I "rail against
> Republicans incessantly". You sound so
> believable.
>
> It's seriously like a never-ending stream of total
> horseshit from you conservative jerkoffs.
LOL. I actually "rail against the GOP incessantly." I just don't feel the need to hide behind a fake "independant" label. The only horseshit is your "Im not a Democrat" insitance. Own up, man. You are a Democrat and there is NOTHING wrong with that.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 16, 2010 12:48PM
real life Wrote:
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> I actually "rail against the GOP
> incessantly." I just don't feel the need to hide
> behind a fake "independant" label. The only
> horseshit is your "Im not a Democrat" insitance.
> Own up, man. You are a Democrat and there is
> NOTHING wrong with that.
Either rail incessantly against the GOP right now or STFU. What the hell is fake about me not joining a political party? I certainly don't claim to be moderate, if that's what you're insinuating by "independent". I have liberal political opinions and a profound contempt of conservative Americans. That doesn't make me a democrat.
So either rail away at the GOP right now, or you're just full of shit.
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> I actually "rail against the GOP
> incessantly." I just don't feel the need to hide
> behind a fake "independant" label. The only
> horseshit is your "Im not a Democrat" insitance.
> Own up, man. You are a Democrat and there is
> NOTHING wrong with that.
Either rail incessantly against the GOP right now or STFU. What the hell is fake about me not joining a political party? I certainly don't claim to be moderate, if that's what you're insinuating by "independent". I have liberal political opinions and a profound contempt of conservative Americans. That doesn't make me a democrat.
So either rail away at the GOP right now, or you're just full of shit.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
real life
()
Date: December 16, 2010 05:17PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> real life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I actually "rail against the GOP
> > incessantly." I just don't feel the need to
> hide
> > behind a fake "independant" label. The only
> > horseshit is your "Im not a Democrat" insitance.
>
> > Own up, man. You are a Democrat and there is
> > NOTHING wrong with that.
>
> Either rail incessantly against the GOP right now
> or STFU. What the hell is fake about me not
> joining a political party? I certainly don't
> claim to be moderate, if that's what you're
> insinuating by "independent". I have liberal
> political opinions and a profound contempt of
> conservative Americans. That doesn't make me a
> democrat.
>
> So either rail away at the GOP right now, or
> you're just full of shit.
LOL. Whatever keeps you from wetting the bed at night.
Do you want me to start with the moral hypocricy or the tax/spending hypocricy? Perhaps you want me to go on about their ties to special interests that countermine the public good and/or the public safety? Or the fact that they are populated by a bunch of chickenhawks? Take your pick and I'd be happy to expound.
From the sounds of things, you know all about being full of shit. I'll look for you at the next Fairfax County Democratic Committee meeting. I'll recognize you by all the egg on your face.
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> real life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I actually "rail against the GOP
> > incessantly." I just don't feel the need to
> hide
> > behind a fake "independant" label. The only
> > horseshit is your "Im not a Democrat" insitance.
>
> > Own up, man. You are a Democrat and there is
> > NOTHING wrong with that.
>
> Either rail incessantly against the GOP right now
> or STFU. What the hell is fake about me not
> joining a political party? I certainly don't
> claim to be moderate, if that's what you're
> insinuating by "independent". I have liberal
> political opinions and a profound contempt of
> conservative Americans. That doesn't make me a
> democrat.
>
> So either rail away at the GOP right now, or
> you're just full of shit.
LOL. Whatever keeps you from wetting the bed at night.
Do you want me to start with the moral hypocricy or the tax/spending hypocricy? Perhaps you want me to go on about their ties to special interests that countermine the public good and/or the public safety? Or the fact that they are populated by a bunch of chickenhawks? Take your pick and I'd be happy to expound.
From the sounds of things, you know all about being full of shit. I'll look for you at the next Fairfax County Democratic Committee meeting. I'll recognize you by all the egg on your face.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 16, 2010 05:31PM
real life Wrote:
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>
> I'll look for you at the next Fairfax County Democratic Committee meeting.
Oh OK. Just try not to get beaten up for those liberal antics of yours.
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>
> I'll look for you at the next Fairfax County Democratic Committee meeting.
Oh OK. Just try not to get beaten up for those liberal antics of yours.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
real life
()
Date: December 16, 2010 05:36PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> real life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I'll look for you at the next Fairfax County
> Democratic Committee meeting.
>
> Oh OK. Just try not to get beaten up for those
> liberal antics of yours.
Do you find that you get beaten up because you are a liberal. Just because you are liberal doesn't mean you can't defend yourself. Wow, you have some serious problems. First, you refuse to admit you are a Democrat because you are embarassed and then you get beat up because you are a liberal. Talk about some self esteem issues.
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> real life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I'll look for you at the next Fairfax County
> Democratic Committee meeting.
>
> Oh OK. Just try not to get beaten up for those
> liberal antics of yours.
Do you find that you get beaten up because you are a liberal. Just because you are liberal doesn't mean you can't defend yourself. Wow, you have some serious problems. First, you refuse to admit you are a Democrat because you are embarassed and then you get beat up because you are a liberal. Talk about some self esteem issues.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
TheMeeper
()
Date: December 16, 2010 05:50PM
real life Wrote:
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> Do you find that you get beaten up because you are
> a liberal. Just because you are liberal doesn't
> mean you can't defend yourself. Wow, you have
> some serious problems. First, you refuse to admit
> you are a Democrat because you are embarassed and
> then you get beat up because you are a liberal.
> Talk about some self esteem issues.
Oh my God: you've twisted my words around.
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> Do you find that you get beaten up because you are
> a liberal. Just because you are liberal doesn't
> mean you can't defend yourself. Wow, you have
> some serious problems. First, you refuse to admit
> you are a Democrat because you are embarassed and
> then you get beat up because you are a liberal.
> Talk about some self esteem issues.
Oh my God: you've twisted my words around.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
real life
()
Date: December 16, 2010 06:09PM
TheMeeper Wrote:
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> real life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do you find that you get beaten up because you
> are
> > a liberal. Just because you are liberal
> doesn't
> > mean you can't defend yourself. Wow, you have
> > some serious problems. First, you refuse to
> admit
> > you are a Democrat because you are embarassed
> and
> > then you get beat up because you are a liberal.
>
> > Talk about some self esteem issues.
>
>
> Oh my God: you've twisted my words around.
OMFG! Noes way. On a message board of all places.
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> real life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do you find that you get beaten up because you
> are
> > a liberal. Just because you are liberal
> doesn't
> > mean you can't defend yourself. Wow, you have
> > some serious problems. First, you refuse to
> admit
> > you are a Democrat because you are embarassed
> and
> > then you get beat up because you are a liberal.
>
> > Talk about some self esteem issues.
>
>
> Oh my God: you've twisted my words around.
OMFG! Noes way. On a message board of all places.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
repeeMehT
()
Date: December 17, 2010 12:22AM
'TheMeeper' wrote :
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> "I have liberal political opinions and a profound contempt of
> conservative Americans. That doesn't make me a democrat.
YES IT DOES !
THAT'S LIKE SAYING ;
"I STICK MY DICK IN OTHER MENS SHITTY ASSHOLES, BUT I NOT A FAGGOT.
-YOU'RE AN IDIOT !
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> "I have liberal political opinions and a profound contempt of
> conservative Americans. That doesn't make me a democrat.
YES IT DOES !
THAT'S LIKE SAYING ;
"I STICK MY DICK IN OTHER MENS SHITTY ASSHOLES, BUT I NOT A FAGGOT.
-YOU'RE AN IDIOT !
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
More and more broken promises
()
Date: December 18, 2010 08:17AM
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
Leonardo DuhVinci
()
Date: December 18, 2010 09:45AM
Obama hasn't done everything right, but he's working on it at least.
Re: Obama and Transparency- Posting of Legislation Online
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: December 18, 2010 01:13PM
Leonardo DuhVinci Wrote:
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> Obama hasn't done everything right, but he's
> working on it at least.
Wishful thinking. Like conservatives who think that anyday now the Repubs will start shrinking government. Things are on autopilot, now, it doesn't really matter who you elect. The spending keeps going, the military/intelligence community as well as domestic spending on welfare-style programs just continues on, the wiretapping, state secrecy exceptions to the constitution, the wars in the Middle East, none of it is going to stop any time soon.
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> Obama hasn't done everything right, but he's
> working on it at least.
Wishful thinking. Like conservatives who think that anyday now the Repubs will start shrinking government. Things are on autopilot, now, it doesn't really matter who you elect. The spending keeps going, the military/intelligence community as well as domestic spending on welfare-style programs just continues on, the wiretapping, state secrecy exceptions to the constitution, the wars in the Middle East, none of it is going to stop any time soon.