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Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 27, 2010 07:13PM
Jesus gave up his worldly possessions and encouraged his followers to do the same. He said the meek would inherit the Earth and said that the odds of a rich man entering Heaven were the same as a camel going through the eye of a needle. He chased the money changers from the Temple and in several instances condemned usury...the charging of interest on money.
Jesus was not a capitalist. Undoubtedly he would see "Christians" who are wealthy as wicked and have deep reservations about the American free enterprise system. He certainly wouldn't approve of Mega-Churches and affluent pastors.
Not a sermon. Just a thought.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Jesus was not a capitalist. Undoubtedly he would see "Christians" who are wealthy as wicked and have deep reservations about the American free enterprise system. He certainly wouldn't approve of Mega-Churches and affluent pastors.
Not a sermon. Just a thought.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
My Thoughts
()
Date: November 27, 2010 07:20PM
Maybe, Jesus wasn't a capitalist. However, if he saw that banging Samsung LCD that I saw today, he'd be all over it.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: November 27, 2010 07:24PM
Jesus was also not a socialist, in the sense that he didn't believe in forcing people to give to the poor. He believed you should be free to choose. Forcing people to do things or hand over money was for assholes like the Roman government and its thugs, or their local puppets like Herod.
I say this because I know a lot of leftist Christians, Catholics mostly, who use their religion as an excuse for their politics. They are the ones who use words like "social justice".
I say this because I know a lot of leftist Christians, Catholics mostly, who use their religion as an excuse for their politics. They are the ones who use words like "social justice".
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 27, 2010 07:24PM
My Thoughts Wrote:
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> Maybe, Jesus wasn't a capitalist. However, if he
> saw that banging Samsung LCD that I saw today,
> he'd be all over it.
Amen...
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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> Maybe, Jesus wasn't a capitalist. However, if he
> saw that banging Samsung LCD that I saw today,
> he'd be all over it.
Amen...
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 27, 2010 07:28PM
tomahawk Wrote:
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> Jesus was also not a socialist, in the sense that
> he didn't believe in forcing people to give to the
> poor. He believed you should be free to choose.
> Forcing people to do things or hand over money was
> for assholes like the Roman government and its
> thugs, or their local puppets like Herod.
>
> I say this because I know a lot of leftist
> Christians, Catholics mostly, who use their
> religion as an excuse for their politics. They are
> the ones who use words like "social justice".
Pope John Paul was appalled by liberation theology and actually clamped down on it big time in Latin America and Africa during the 80s.
No, I wouldn't say Jesus was a socialist or a communist, either. But the idea that the wealthy would wrap themselves in the Bible to find some religious justification for their standard of living is ridiculous.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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> Jesus was also not a socialist, in the sense that
> he didn't believe in forcing people to give to the
> poor. He believed you should be free to choose.
> Forcing people to do things or hand over money was
> for assholes like the Roman government and its
> thugs, or their local puppets like Herod.
>
> I say this because I know a lot of leftist
> Christians, Catholics mostly, who use their
> religion as an excuse for their politics. They are
> the ones who use words like "social justice".
Pope John Paul was appalled by liberation theology and actually clamped down on it big time in Latin America and Africa during the 80s.
No, I wouldn't say Jesus was a socialist or a communist, either. But the idea that the wealthy would wrap themselves in the Bible to find some religious justification for their standard of living is ridiculous.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: November 27, 2010 07:59PM
Anyone who wraps himself int he bible for any justification is using it as a crutch. If there is a God, he gave us a brain for a reason: think for yourself, don't be a robot reading from a script.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
chuckhoffmann
()
Date: November 27, 2010 08:15PM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 01:23PM by chuckhoffmann.
"Only good things can come of more communication." - Cary Wiedemann, March 3, 2005
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 01:23PM by chuckhoffmann.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: November 27, 2010 08:20PM
tomahawk Wrote:
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> Anyone who wraps himself int he bible for any
> justification is using it as a crutch. If there is
> a God, he gave us a brain for a reason: think for
> yourself, don't be a robot reading from a script.
What about the whole eating from the tree of knowledge thing? I thought he wanted us to keep away from it and stay dumb?
Religion and knowledge about anything other than religion is frowned upon. Easier to control the masses that way.
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> Anyone who wraps himself int he bible for any
> justification is using it as a crutch. If there is
> a God, he gave us a brain for a reason: think for
> yourself, don't be a robot reading from a script.
What about the whole eating from the tree of knowledge thing? I thought he wanted us to keep away from it and stay dumb?
Religion and knowledge about anything other than religion is frowned upon. Easier to control the masses that way.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
chuckhoffmann
()
Date: November 27, 2010 09:05PM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 01:24PM by chuckhoffmann.
"Only good things can come of more communication." - Cary Wiedemann, March 3, 2005
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 01:24PM by chuckhoffmann.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Lame Thread + Sock Puppetry = WTL
()
Date: November 27, 2010 09:28PM
ANOTHER mindless and retarded thread started by WashingTone-DEAF-Locian.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: November 28, 2010 12:31AM
Numbers Wrote:
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> tomahawk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone who wraps himself int he bible for any
> > justification is using it as a crutch. If there
> is
> > a God, he gave us a brain for a reason: think
> for
> > yourself, don't be a robot reading from a
> script.
>
>
> What about the whole eating from the tree of
> knowledge thing? I thought he wanted us to keep
> away from it and stay dumb?
>
> Religion and knowledge about anything other than
> religion is frowned upon. Easier to control the
> masses that way.
Actually, as a mostly non-religious person, I find the story of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge to be a very good parable to describe the natural history of humans.
The time before we ate the apple was the time when humans were basically wild, not really sentient as we are today, with no language and no sense of morality or reasoning. Eating the apple was when we gained the ability to speak and think with a language, and suddenly we were more aware of the world around us, and started developing a sense of morality which we could think about abstractly.
At least that's always been my take on it. We're still apes in the sense that we like to use force or threats to get what we want, and we choose not to use reason when it suits us, but we are humans because we know how wrong it is to act like that. We have the "knowledge" now, so we are guilty when we fail to think clearly.
Somebody thousands of years ago wrote that down as a beautiful piece of literature, and whether he meant for it or not, it became the foundation of 3 major religions, full of idiots who don't get the point and choose to take it literally instead of using their brains.
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> tomahawk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone who wraps himself int he bible for any
> > justification is using it as a crutch. If there
> is
> > a God, he gave us a brain for a reason: think
> for
> > yourself, don't be a robot reading from a
> script.
>
>
> What about the whole eating from the tree of
> knowledge thing? I thought he wanted us to keep
> away from it and stay dumb?
>
> Religion and knowledge about anything other than
> religion is frowned upon. Easier to control the
> masses that way.
Actually, as a mostly non-religious person, I find the story of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge to be a very good parable to describe the natural history of humans.
The time before we ate the apple was the time when humans were basically wild, not really sentient as we are today, with no language and no sense of morality or reasoning. Eating the apple was when we gained the ability to speak and think with a language, and suddenly we were more aware of the world around us, and started developing a sense of morality which we could think about abstractly.
At least that's always been my take on it. We're still apes in the sense that we like to use force or threats to get what we want, and we choose not to use reason when it suits us, but we are humans because we know how wrong it is to act like that. We have the "knowledge" now, so we are guilty when we fail to think clearly.
Somebody thousands of years ago wrote that down as a beautiful piece of literature, and whether he meant for it or not, it became the foundation of 3 major religions, full of idiots who don't get the point and choose to take it literally instead of using their brains.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: November 28, 2010 10:10AM
tomahawk Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, as a mostly non-religious person, I find
> the story of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge to be
> a very good parable to describe the natural
> history of humans.
>
> The time before we ate the apple was the time when
> humans were basically wild, not really sentient as
> we are today, with no language and no sense of
> morality or reasoning. Eating the apple was when
> we gained the ability to speak and think with a
> language, and suddenly we were more aware of the
> world around us, and started developing a sense of
> morality which we could think about abstractly.
>
> At least that's always been my take on it. We're
> still apes in the sense that we like to use force
> or threats to get what we want, and we choose not
> to use reason when it suits us, but we are humans
> because we know how wrong it is to act like that.
> We have the "knowledge" now, so we are guilty when
> we fail to think clearly.
>
> Somebody thousands of years ago wrote that down as
> a beautiful piece of literature, and whether he
> meant for it or not, it became the foundation of 3
> major religions, full of idiots who don't get the
> point and choose to take it literally instead of
> using their brains.
Why leave it so open for interpretation? We know Creationists take it literally, Hoffman sees it as the tree of sin, you see it as human history, I see it as a control mechanism, etc......
Any good guide book, which is what both bibles are meant to be, shouldn't leave anything to interpretation. If you purchased a book on how to be a plumber, you don't want songs and parables, you want clear instructions on what to do and why.
Poems, songs and stories are great for entertainment value, but suck if your very post-life existence depends on it.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Actually, as a mostly non-religious person, I find
> the story of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge to be
> a very good parable to describe the natural
> history of humans.
>
> The time before we ate the apple was the time when
> humans were basically wild, not really sentient as
> we are today, with no language and no sense of
> morality or reasoning. Eating the apple was when
> we gained the ability to speak and think with a
> language, and suddenly we were more aware of the
> world around us, and started developing a sense of
> morality which we could think about abstractly.
>
> At least that's always been my take on it. We're
> still apes in the sense that we like to use force
> or threats to get what we want, and we choose not
> to use reason when it suits us, but we are humans
> because we know how wrong it is to act like that.
> We have the "knowledge" now, so we are guilty when
> we fail to think clearly.
>
> Somebody thousands of years ago wrote that down as
> a beautiful piece of literature, and whether he
> meant for it or not, it became the foundation of 3
> major religions, full of idiots who don't get the
> point and choose to take it literally instead of
> using their brains.
Why leave it so open for interpretation? We know Creationists take it literally, Hoffman sees it as the tree of sin, you see it as human history, I see it as a control mechanism, etc......
Any good guide book, which is what both bibles are meant to be, shouldn't leave anything to interpretation. If you purchased a book on how to be a plumber, you don't want songs and parables, you want clear instructions on what to do and why.
Poems, songs and stories are great for entertainment value, but suck if your very post-life existence depends on it.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
itchy
()
Date: November 28, 2010 10:41AM
Jesus left Chicago, and he's bound for New Orleans
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
themuse
()
Date: November 28, 2010 10:54AM
Numbers Wrote:
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> tomahawk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Actually, as a mostly non-religious person, I
> find
> > the story of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge to
> be
> > a very good parable to describe the natural
> > history of humans.
> >
> > The time before we ate the apple was the time
> when
> > humans were basically wild, not really sentient
> as
> > we are today, with no language and no sense of
> > morality or reasoning. Eating the apple was
> when
> > we gained the ability to speak and think with a
> > language, and suddenly we were more aware of
> the
> > world around us, and started developing a sense
> of
> > morality which we could think about abstractly.
> >
> > At least that's always been my take on it.
> We're
> > still apes in the sense that we like to use
> force
> > or threats to get what we want, and we choose
> not
> > to use reason when it suits us, but we are
> humans
> > because we know how wrong it is to act like
> that.
> > We have the "knowledge" now, so we are guilty
> when
> > we fail to think clearly.
> >
> > Somebody thousands of years ago wrote that down
> as
> > a beautiful piece of literature, and whether he
> > meant for it or not, it became the foundation of
> 3
> > major religions, full of idiots who don't get
> the
> > point and choose to take it literally instead
> of
> > using their brains.
>
>
> Why leave it so open for interpretation? We know
> Creationists take it literally, Hoffman sees it as
> the tree of sin, you see it as human history, I
> see it as a control mechanism, etc......
>
> Any good guide book, which is what both bibles are
> meant to be, shouldn't leave anything to
> interpretation.
if the bible(s) weren't so vague/open to interpretation, would they be as popular? most of the allure/fanbase is derived from this aspect, imo.
folks can mince it, chop it, slice it, and dice it anyway they want. it makes for a rather tasty and convenient sammich.
yeefuckinghaw
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> tomahawk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Actually, as a mostly non-religious person, I
> find
> > the story of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge to
> be
> > a very good parable to describe the natural
> > history of humans.
> >
> > The time before we ate the apple was the time
> when
> > humans were basically wild, not really sentient
> as
> > we are today, with no language and no sense of
> > morality or reasoning. Eating the apple was
> when
> > we gained the ability to speak and think with a
> > language, and suddenly we were more aware of
> the
> > world around us, and started developing a sense
> of
> > morality which we could think about abstractly.
> >
> > At least that's always been my take on it.
> We're
> > still apes in the sense that we like to use
> force
> > or threats to get what we want, and we choose
> not
> > to use reason when it suits us, but we are
> humans
> > because we know how wrong it is to act like
> that.
> > We have the "knowledge" now, so we are guilty
> when
> > we fail to think clearly.
> >
> > Somebody thousands of years ago wrote that down
> as
> > a beautiful piece of literature, and whether he
> > meant for it or not, it became the foundation of
> 3
> > major religions, full of idiots who don't get
> the
> > point and choose to take it literally instead
> of
> > using their brains.
>
>
> Why leave it so open for interpretation? We know
> Creationists take it literally, Hoffman sees it as
> the tree of sin, you see it as human history, I
> see it as a control mechanism, etc......
>
> Any good guide book, which is what both bibles are
> meant to be, shouldn't leave anything to
> interpretation.
if the bible(s) weren't so vague/open to interpretation, would they be as popular? most of the allure/fanbase is derived from this aspect, imo.
folks can mince it, chop it, slice it, and dice it anyway they want. it makes for a rather tasty and convenient sammich.
yeefuckinghaw
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: November 28, 2010 11:05AM
Numbers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Any good guide book, which is what both bibles are
> meant to be, shouldn't leave anything to
> interpretation. If you purchased a book on how to
> be a plumber, you don't want songs and parables,
> you want clear instructions on what to do and
> why.
>
> Poems, songs and stories are great for
> entertainment value, but suck if your very
> post-life existence depends on it.
True enough. I suspect that the Book of Genesis has been "rebranded" as a literal guidebook, not necessarily what its writer intended, but there's no way to know. Part of the problem with the bible is we really don't know much about the individuals who actually sat down and wrote this stuff. In the case of Genesis I don't even think we have a name.
Since I'm not religious, I view it as a poem or a parable. Homer wrote the Illyad and the Odyssey with a dual purpose; he was describing a historical event, the Trojan War, but he was also telling a mythical or fictional story, about Achilles and the monsters Odysseus faced on his way home. You can't take it literally, but it's not all just made up, either. It's just written in a certain style with lots of embellishment to get the author's point across.
(I can't spell)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2010 11:06AM by tomahawk.
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> Any good guide book, which is what both bibles are
> meant to be, shouldn't leave anything to
> interpretation. If you purchased a book on how to
> be a plumber, you don't want songs and parables,
> you want clear instructions on what to do and
> why.
>
> Poems, songs and stories are great for
> entertainment value, but suck if your very
> post-life existence depends on it.
True enough. I suspect that the Book of Genesis has been "rebranded" as a literal guidebook, not necessarily what its writer intended, but there's no way to know. Part of the problem with the bible is we really don't know much about the individuals who actually sat down and wrote this stuff. In the case of Genesis I don't even think we have a name.
Since I'm not religious, I view it as a poem or a parable. Homer wrote the Illyad and the Odyssey with a dual purpose; he was describing a historical event, the Trojan War, but he was also telling a mythical or fictional story, about Achilles and the monsters Odysseus faced on his way home. You can't take it literally, but it's not all just made up, either. It's just written in a certain style with lots of embellishment to get the author's point across.
(I can't spell)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2010 11:06AM by tomahawk.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Britdrnva~
()
Date: November 28, 2010 01:27PM
I disagree with the statement that Jesus wasn't a socialist/communist.
If you've read the bible - new testament - you will read that Jesus was against usury, established religion, the government, forgiveness.
In another case - in Luke he said - blessed are the poor for the kingdom is yours. And towards the rich he said "go, sell what you have, and give to the poor." When the rich people turned away from him because they wouldn't follow his command he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
A fellow that doesn't believe in govt, advocates giving away all material riches (redistribution) and working together for the common good - sounds very communist to me.
If you've read the bible - new testament - you will read that Jesus was against usury, established religion, the government, forgiveness.
In another case - in Luke he said - blessed are the poor for the kingdom is yours. And towards the rich he said "go, sell what you have, and give to the poor." When the rich people turned away from him because they wouldn't follow his command he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
A fellow that doesn't believe in govt, advocates giving away all material riches (redistribution) and working together for the common good - sounds very communist to me.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Sermononthemount
()
Date: November 28, 2010 04:17PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Jesus gave up his worldly possessions and
> encouraged his followers to do the same. He said
> the meek would inherit the Earth and said that the
> odds of a rich man entering Heaven were the same
> as a camel going through the eye of a needle. He
> chased the money changers from the Temple and in
> several instances condemned usury...the charging
> of interest on money.
>
> Jesus was not a capitalist. Undoubtedly he would
> see "Christians" who are wealthy as wicked and
> have deep reservations about the American free
> enterprise system. He certainly wouldn't approve
> of Mega-Churches and affluent pastors.
>
> Not a sermon. Just a thought.
Jesus was NOT political. End of story. Giving up posessions is a symbolic gesture, not a mark of socialist manifesto. Wealthy and wicked in terms of character, not money.
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> Jesus gave up his worldly possessions and
> encouraged his followers to do the same. He said
> the meek would inherit the Earth and said that the
> odds of a rich man entering Heaven were the same
> as a camel going through the eye of a needle. He
> chased the money changers from the Temple and in
> several instances condemned usury...the charging
> of interest on money.
>
> Jesus was not a capitalist. Undoubtedly he would
> see "Christians" who are wealthy as wicked and
> have deep reservations about the American free
> enterprise system. He certainly wouldn't approve
> of Mega-Churches and affluent pastors.
>
> Not a sermon. Just a thought.
Jesus was NOT political. End of story. Giving up posessions is a symbolic gesture, not a mark of socialist manifesto. Wealthy and wicked in terms of character, not money.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Sock Puppet # 9856683755938531
()
Date: November 28, 2010 04:45PM
Yeah, Britdumbassinva.
NOT POLITICAL.
NOT POLITICAL.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: November 28, 2010 05:21PM
Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> I disagree with the statement that Jesus wasn't a
> socialist/communist.
>
> If you've read the bible - new testament - you
> will read that Jesus was against usury,
> established religion, the government, forgiveness.
>
>
> In another case - in Luke he said - blessed are
> the poor for the kingdom is yours. And towards
> the rich he said "go, sell what you have, and give
> to the poor." When the rich people turned away
> from him because they wouldn't follow his command
> he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go
> through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to
> enter the kingdom of God."
>
> A fellow that doesn't believe in govt, advocates
> giving away all material riches (redistribution)
> and working together for the common good - sounds
> very communist to me.
But it's missing the key ingredient of socialism/communism: force. Jesus told people what to do, but he didn't force them at gunpoint.
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> I disagree with the statement that Jesus wasn't a
> socialist/communist.
>
> If you've read the bible - new testament - you
> will read that Jesus was against usury,
> established religion, the government, forgiveness.
>
>
> In another case - in Luke he said - blessed are
> the poor for the kingdom is yours. And towards
> the rich he said "go, sell what you have, and give
> to the poor." When the rich people turned away
> from him because they wouldn't follow his command
> he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go
> through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to
> enter the kingdom of God."
>
> A fellow that doesn't believe in govt, advocates
> giving away all material riches (redistribution)
> and working together for the common good - sounds
> very communist to me.
But it's missing the key ingredient of socialism/communism: force. Jesus told people what to do, but he didn't force them at gunpoint.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 28, 2010 08:43PM
Sock Puppet # 9856683755938531 Wrote:
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> Yeah, Britdumbassinva.
>
> NOT POLITICAL.
Jesus wasn't political? Tell that to the Sanhedrin and the Roman Empire.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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> Yeah, Britdumbassinva.
>
> NOT POLITICAL.
Jesus wasn't political? Tell that to the Sanhedrin and the Roman Empire.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: November 28, 2010 08:48PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Sanhedrin
I always liked that name. It sounds so badass, like a secret society of Jedi Knights from a Star Wars movie or something.
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> Sanhedrin
I always liked that name. It sounds so badass, like a secret society of Jedi Knights from a Star Wars movie or something.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
chuckhoffmann
()
Date: November 28, 2010 08:51PM
.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 01:33PM by chuckhoffmann.
"Only good things can come of more communication." - Cary Wiedemann, March 3, 2005
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 01:33PM by chuckhoffmann.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 28, 2010 08:57PM
chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jesus wasn't political? Tell that to the
> Sanhedrin
> > and the Roman Empire.
>
> Jesus threatened the established order of things,
> which was that the Sanhedrin and the Romans
> represented.
>
> To paraphrase Douglas Adams (who really should be
> a minor saint), He suggested it would be a good
> idea if people were actually nice to each other
> for a change, so they nailed him to a tree for it.
True. Jesus was political whether he intended to be or not.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jesus wasn't political? Tell that to the
> Sanhedrin
> > and the Roman Empire.
>
> Jesus threatened the established order of things,
> which was that the Sanhedrin and the Romans
> represented.
>
> To paraphrase Douglas Adams (who really should be
> a minor saint), He suggested it would be a good
> idea if people were actually nice to each other
> for a change, so they nailed him to a tree for it.
True. Jesus was political whether he intended to be or not.
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Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Numbers
()
Date: November 28, 2010 09:14PM
From Kilgore Trout's "The Gospel of Outer Space", (Alias might be interested in this).
The hero of this novel is an alien (who looks like a Tralfamadorian) who wants to know how Christians can be so cruel. The alien decides that the problem is the New Testament, which is supposed to teach people to be merciful, but actually seems to teach them: "Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected". The problem is that the man the Romans crucify is already the son of God, so of course everyone's going to think it's wrong to kill him.
If Christ were just a nobody, would it have been any more OK to kill him? The alien decides it would be better if Christ were not actually the son of God, but still said all the same stuff. Then God could come down just before Christ dies on the cross to say that he is adopting Christ, and that from that day on, it is wrong to persecute anyone who torments "a bum who has no connections".
The hero of this novel is an alien (who looks like a Tralfamadorian) who wants to know how Christians can be so cruel. The alien decides that the problem is the New Testament, which is supposed to teach people to be merciful, but actually seems to teach them: "Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected". The problem is that the man the Romans crucify is already the son of God, so of course everyone's going to think it's wrong to kill him.
If Christ were just a nobody, would it have been any more OK to kill him? The alien decides it would be better if Christ were not actually the son of God, but still said all the same stuff. Then God could come down just before Christ dies on the cross to say that he is adopting Christ, and that from that day on, it is wrong to persecute anyone who torments "a bum who has no connections".
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Britdrnva~
()
Date: November 28, 2010 10:59PM
tomahawk wrote:
"But it's missing the key ingredient of socialism/communism: force. Jesus told people what to do, but he didn't force them at gunpoint."
If you read the Communist Manifesto - the people, the downtrodden (i.e. the proletariat) would overcome their possessors, and create a socialist state...eventually that would disappear (i.e. the state) and we would all just work together communally as one...this is more in line with Jesus' teachings than any capitalist form of governance we have. Am I advocating this...no, I'm just saying Jesus was much more closely aligned with this sort of ideology than you want to perhaps believe.
"But it's missing the key ingredient of socialism/communism: force. Jesus told people what to do, but he didn't force them at gunpoint."
If you read the Communist Manifesto - the people, the downtrodden (i.e. the proletariat) would overcome their possessors, and create a socialist state...eventually that would disappear (i.e. the state) and we would all just work together communally as one...this is more in line with Jesus' teachings than any capitalist form of governance we have. Am I advocating this...no, I'm just saying Jesus was much more closely aligned with this sort of ideology than you want to perhaps believe.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
tomahawk
()
Date: November 28, 2010 11:06PM
Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> tomahawk wrote:
> "But it's missing the key ingredient of
> socialism/communism: force. Jesus told people what
> to do, but he didn't force them at gunpoint."
>
> If you read the Communist Manifesto - the people,
> the downtrodden (i.e. the proletariat) would
> overcome their possessors, and create a socialist
> state...eventually that would disappear (i.e. the
> state) and we would all just work together
> communally as one...this is more in line with
> Jesus' teachings than any capitalist form of
> governance we have. Am I advocating this...no,
> I'm just saying Jesus was much more closely
> aligned with this sort of ideology than you want
> to perhaps believe.
No, you're right as far as that goes. Christians lived in "communes" often and some still do. The Amish, and lots of various sects around the US. So I guess you're right in that sense. But the modern Communist believes in Making It Happen at the point of a gun; he's not content to let people choose to do it. And even Marx himself was involved in lots of attempted uprisings in which the proles would overthrow the establishment violently.
So I guess there are commune-ists and there are Communists...
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> tomahawk wrote:
> "But it's missing the key ingredient of
> socialism/communism: force. Jesus told people what
> to do, but he didn't force them at gunpoint."
>
> If you read the Communist Manifesto - the people,
> the downtrodden (i.e. the proletariat) would
> overcome their possessors, and create a socialist
> state...eventually that would disappear (i.e. the
> state) and we would all just work together
> communally as one...this is more in line with
> Jesus' teachings than any capitalist form of
> governance we have. Am I advocating this...no,
> I'm just saying Jesus was much more closely
> aligned with this sort of ideology than you want
> to perhaps believe.
No, you're right as far as that goes. Christians lived in "communes" often and some still do. The Amish, and lots of various sects around the US. So I guess you're right in that sense. But the modern Communist believes in Making It Happen at the point of a gun; he's not content to let people choose to do it. And even Marx himself was involved in lots of attempted uprisings in which the proles would overthrow the establishment violently.
So I guess there are commune-ists and there are Communists...
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
teri
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:33AM
if you don't like Jesus stop celebrating his birthday every year.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Hard in the PAINT
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:33AM
In this theatrical video presentation Professor Waka of the
Waka Flacka Institute of Existance, performs his oral
Doctoral Dissertation set to music and explains everything
about religion and the mystery of life :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9P5IGCav9I <<----- Click HERE
Waka Flacka Institute of Existance, performs his oral
Doctoral Dissertation set to music and explains everything
about religion and the mystery of life :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9P5IGCav9I <<----- Click HERE
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Chopped and Skrewd
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:40AM
WashingTone-DEAF-Locian [and sock puppets] need to STFU
because this thread, much like your existence is
POINTLESS and IRRELEVANT.
because this thread, much like your existence is
POINTLESS and IRRELEVANT.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
teri
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:47AM
Chopped and Skrewd Wrote:
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> WashingTone-DEAF-Locian need to STFU
> because this thread, much like your existence is
> POINTLESS and IRRELEVANT.
calm down asshole
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> WashingTone-DEAF-Locian need to STFU
> because this thread, much like your existence is
> POINTLESS and IRRELEVANT.
calm down asshole
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
teri = conie
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:48AM
teri = Cone Boner
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
*Good Times*
()
Date: November 29, 2010 02:08AM
'teri' wrote :
> "calm down asshole"
LOOKY HERE BITCH, WHY DON'T YOU GO FIND A
NICE FAT CUCUMBER AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS.
> "calm down asshole"
LOOKY HERE BITCH, WHY DON'T YOU GO FIND A
NICE FAT CUCUMBER AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
chuckhoffmann
()
Date: November 29, 2010 02:39AM
.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 01:35PM by chuckhoffmann.
"Only good things can come of more communication." - Cary Wiedemann, March 3, 2005
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 01:35PM by chuckhoffmann.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Alias
()
Date: November 29, 2010 03:53AM
Numbers Wrote:
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> From Kilgore Trout's "The Gospel of Outer Space",
> (Alias might be interested in this).
Sounds like a great read, Numbers. Thanks for the tip.
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> From Kilgore Trout's "The Gospel of Outer Space",
> (Alias might be interested in this).
Sounds like a great read, Numbers. Thanks for the tip.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Radiophile
()
Date: November 29, 2010 04:43AM
tomahawk Wrote:
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> Jesus was also not a socialist, in the sense that
> he didn't believe in forcing people to give to the
> poor. He believed you should be free to choose.
> Forcing people to do things or hand over money was
> for assholes like the Roman government and its
> thugs, or their local puppets like Herod.
>
Didnt Jesus say something like "whatever you do to the least of my brothers, ytou do unto me"? or something like that?
Who did he mean by "least"?
And doesnt that bible say "pay unto Ceasar what is due Ceasar?" or soemthing
like that.
Now you are revising the bible - which has been revised so many times before.
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> Jesus was also not a socialist, in the sense that
> he didn't believe in forcing people to give to the
> poor. He believed you should be free to choose.
> Forcing people to do things or hand over money was
> for assholes like the Roman government and its
> thugs, or their local puppets like Herod.
>
Didnt Jesus say something like "whatever you do to the least of my brothers, ytou do unto me"? or something like that?
Who did he mean by "least"?
And doesnt that bible say "pay unto Ceasar what is due Ceasar?" or soemthing
like that.
Now you are revising the bible - which has been revised so many times before.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 29, 2010 09:05AM
teri Wrote:
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> if you don't like Jesus stop celebrating his
> birthday every year.
I like Jesus. I don't like the way most people interpret him.
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> if you don't like Jesus stop celebrating his
> birthday every year.
I like Jesus. I don't like the way most people interpret him.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
mcsmack
()
Date: November 29, 2010 10:37AM
It's a good thing I'm here to set everything straight on this matter. If anyone wants to know anything about Jesus just ask me.
Was Jesus a Capitalist?
Probably not. He certainly didn't like the "money changers" in the temple.
However the dude could turn water into wine. Why would he have to be a capitalist? The whole fish and loaf of bread thing was impressive also. Why would he have to work?
He believed you had to become all things to all people so he may have helped some people in the carpenter or stonework trades like his father. That would have been frustrating knowing that you could just snap your fingers and a house would instantly materialize but you go through the physical process anyway.
Then we have this;
13 “Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour. 14 For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work270 and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money in it. 19 After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, ‘Sir, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 The one with the two talents also came and said, ‘Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.’ 23 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’†(Matthew 25:13-30). 271
Talk about trickle up economics!
I know all about the interp. thing but if you take this passage literally it not only supports capitalistic principles you are doomed to hell the whole "weeping and gnashing of teeth" thing if you don't follow them!
Gotta love the baby Jesus!
Was Jesus a Capitalist?
Probably not. He certainly didn't like the "money changers" in the temple.
However the dude could turn water into wine. Why would he have to be a capitalist? The whole fish and loaf of bread thing was impressive also. Why would he have to work?
He believed you had to become all things to all people so he may have helped some people in the carpenter or stonework trades like his father. That would have been frustrating knowing that you could just snap your fingers and a house would instantly materialize but you go through the physical process anyway.
Then we have this;
13 “Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour. 14 For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work270 and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money in it. 19 After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, ‘Sir, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 The one with the two talents also came and said, ‘Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.’ 23 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’†(Matthew 25:13-30). 271
Talk about trickle up economics!
I know all about the interp. thing but if you take this passage literally it not only supports capitalistic principles you are doomed to hell the whole "weeping and gnashing of teeth" thing if you don't follow them!
Gotta love the baby Jesus!
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: November 29, 2010 10:41AM
teri Wrote:
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> if you don't like Jesus stop celebrating his
> birthday every year.
I don't think a great number of people truly celebrate the birthday of Jesus anymore, Christmas is more of a corporate sponsored holiday where people try to impress each other with gifts.
Besides, the real birthday of Jesus supposedly is in late March, it was moved to December when the Catholic Church was superimposing Christian holidays on established Pagan celebrations.
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> if you don't like Jesus stop celebrating his
> birthday every year.
I don't think a great number of people truly celebrate the birthday of Jesus anymore, Christmas is more of a corporate sponsored holiday where people try to impress each other with gifts.
Besides, the real birthday of Jesus supposedly is in late March, it was moved to December when the Catholic Church was superimposing Christian holidays on established Pagan celebrations.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 29, 2010 10:46AM
mcsmack Wrote:
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>
> I know all about the interp. thing but if you take
> this passage literally it not only supports
> capitalistic principles you are doomed to hell the
> whole "weeping and gnashing of teeth" thing if you
> don't follow them!
>
> Gotta love the baby
> Jesus!
Sounds like he was also cool with slavery.
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>
> I know all about the interp. thing but if you take
> this passage literally it not only supports
> capitalistic principles you are doomed to hell the
> whole "weeping and gnashing of teeth" thing if you
> don't follow them!
>
> Gotta love the baby
> Jesus!
Sounds like he was also cool with slavery.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
mcsmack
()
Date: November 29, 2010 11:19AM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> mcsmack Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > I know all about the interp. thing but if you
> take
> > this passage literally it not only supports
> > capitalistic principles you are doomed to hell
> the
> > whole "weeping and gnashing of teeth" thing if
> you
> > don't follow them!
> >
> > Gotta love the
> baby
> > Jesus!
>
> Sounds like he was also cool with slavery.
Some scholars differ on interpretation but it's hard to deny the authors intent.
Slave in Greek doulous or "SLAVES" as opposed to meletO (in service to) are two completely different words. So some versions use the word "servant" instead of slave but that is wrong. At least the bible teaches us to take very good care of our slaves, except for the "lazy ones" of course. I guess that could be construed as "the Devils Safety Net".
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> mcsmack Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > I know all about the interp. thing but if you
> take
> > this passage literally it not only supports
> > capitalistic principles you are doomed to hell
> the
> > whole "weeping and gnashing of teeth" thing if
> you
> > don't follow them!
> >
> > Gotta love the
> baby
> > Jesus!
>
> Sounds like he was also cool with slavery.
Some scholars differ on interpretation but it's hard to deny the authors intent.
Slave in Greek doulous or "SLAVES" as opposed to meletO (in service to) are two completely different words. So some versions use the word "servant" instead of slave but that is wrong. At least the bible teaches us to take very good care of our slaves, except for the "lazy ones" of course. I guess that could be construed as "the Devils Safety Net".
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
keep reading
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:25PM
Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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And towards
> the rich he said "go, sell what you have, and give
> to the poor." When the rich people turned away
> from him because they wouldn't follow his command
> he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go
> through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to
> enter the kingdom of God."
Everyone who reads this as Christ citing an anti-capitalist/wealth agenda ignores the very next sentance which says "but through the lord all things are possible." Also, in this passage it is a single wealthy man who approaches Christ and asks what he needs to do to follow him and Christ, obviously sensing his attachment to his material wealth, responds as quoted above knowing he wasn't going to give it up to follow him.
Don't get me wrong here, if heaven comes with "just thoughts, not sermons" 24/7 then I don't want any part of it. Just pointing out that this passage, like so many others, is easily manipulated to promote an agenda it doesn't necessarily promote.
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And towards
> the rich he said "go, sell what you have, and give
> to the poor." When the rich people turned away
> from him because they wouldn't follow his command
> he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go
> through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to
> enter the kingdom of God."
Everyone who reads this as Christ citing an anti-capitalist/wealth agenda ignores the very next sentance which says "but through the lord all things are possible." Also, in this passage it is a single wealthy man who approaches Christ and asks what he needs to do to follow him and Christ, obviously sensing his attachment to his material wealth, responds as quoted above knowing he wasn't going to give it up to follow him.
Don't get me wrong here, if heaven comes with "just thoughts, not sermons" 24/7 then I don't want any part of it. Just pointing out that this passage, like so many others, is easily manipulated to promote an agenda it doesn't necessarily promote.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:37PM
keep reading Wrote:
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> Britdrnva~ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> And towards
> > the rich he said "go, sell what you have, and
> give
> > to the poor." When the rich people turned away
> > from him because they wouldn't follow his
> command
> > he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go
> > through the eye of a needle than for a rich man
> to
> > enter the kingdom of God."
>
> Everyone who reads this as Christ citing an
> anti-capitalist/wealth agenda ignores the very
> next sentance which says "but through the lord all
> things are possible." Also, in this passage it is
> a single wealthy man who approaches Christ and
> asks what he needs to do to follow him and Christ,
> obviously sensing his attachment to his material
> wealth, responds as quoted above knowing he wasn't
> going to give it up to follow him.
>
> Don't get me wrong here, if heaven comes with
> "just thoughts, not sermons" 24/7 then I don't
> want any part of it. Just pointing out that this
> passage, like so many others, is easily
> manipulated to promote an agenda it doesn't
> necessarily promote.
Funny how you omitted this...
Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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> Britdrnva~ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> And towards
> > the rich he said "go, sell what you have, and
> give
> > to the poor." When the rich people turned away
> > from him because they wouldn't follow his
> command
> > he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go
> > through the eye of a needle than for a rich man
> to
> > enter the kingdom of God."
>
> Everyone who reads this as Christ citing an
> anti-capitalist/wealth agenda ignores the very
> next sentance which says "but through the lord all
> things are possible." Also, in this passage it is
> a single wealthy man who approaches Christ and
> asks what he needs to do to follow him and Christ,
> obviously sensing his attachment to his material
> wealth, responds as quoted above knowing he wasn't
> going to give it up to follow him.
>
> Don't get me wrong here, if heaven comes with
> "just thoughts, not sermons" 24/7 then I don't
> want any part of it. Just pointing out that this
> passage, like so many others, is easily
> manipulated to promote an agenda it doesn't
> necessarily promote.
Funny how you omitted this...
Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Britdrnva~
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:57PM
eesh Wrote:
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> teri Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > if you don't like Jesus stop celebrating his
> > birthday every year.
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't think a great number of people truly
> celebrate the birthday of Jesus anymore, Christmas
> is more of a corporate sponsored holiday where
> people try to impress each other with gifts.
>
>
> Besides, the real birthday of Jesus supposedly is
> in late March, it was moved to December when the
> Catholic Church was superimposing Christian
> holidays on established Pagan celebrations.
eesh you're absolutely right - also Easter was taken from the pagans as well as Whitsunday (not celebrated in the US I don't think at least I've never heard mention of it here). Makes one wonder really what parts are real or not.
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> teri Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > if you don't like Jesus stop celebrating his
> > birthday every year.
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't think a great number of people truly
> celebrate the birthday of Jesus anymore, Christmas
> is more of a corporate sponsored holiday where
> people try to impress each other with gifts.
>
>
> Besides, the real birthday of Jesus supposedly is
> in late March, it was moved to December when the
> Catholic Church was superimposing Christian
> holidays on established Pagan celebrations.
eesh you're absolutely right - also Easter was taken from the pagans as well as Whitsunday (not celebrated in the US I don't think at least I've never heard mention of it here). Makes one wonder really what parts are real or not.
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: November 29, 2010 01:59PM
Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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>
> eesh you're absolutely right - also Easter was
> taken from the pagans as well as Whitsunday (not
> celebrated in the US I don't think at least I've
> never heard mention of it here). Makes one wonder
> really what parts are real or not.
I blame Paul. He was the first one to say, "You don't have to be a Jew to join." That opened the floodgate for all the pagans and their rituals to flood in.
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>
> eesh you're absolutely right - also Easter was
> taken from the pagans as well as Whitsunday (not
> celebrated in the US I don't think at least I've
> never heard mention of it here). Makes one wonder
> really what parts are real or not.
I blame Paul. He was the first one to say, "You don't have to be a Jew to join." That opened the floodgate for all the pagans and their rituals to flood in.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
The True Jesus Knows
()
Date: November 29, 2010 02:18PM
A Republican in a wheelchair entered a restaurant one afternoon and asked the waitress for a cup of coffee. The Republican looked across the restaurant and asked, 'Is that Jesus sitting over there?'
The waitress nodded 'yes,' so the Republican requested that she give Jesus a cup of coffee, on him.
The next patron to come in was a Libertarian with a hunched back. He shuffled over to a booth, painfully sat down, and asked the waitress for a cup of hot tea. He also glanced across the restaurant and asked, 'Is that Jesus over there?'
The waitress nodded, so the Libertarian asked her to give Jesus a cup of hot tea, 'My treat.'
The third patron to come into the restaurant was a Democrat on crutches. He hobbled over to a booth, sat down and hollered, 'Hey there, honey! How's about getting' me a cold glass of Miller Light?' He, too, looked across the restaurant and asked, 'Is that God's boy over there?'
The waitress once more nodded, so the Democrat directed her to give Jesus a cold glass of beer. 'On my bill,' he said.
As Jesus got up to leave, he passed by the Republican, touched him and said, 'For your kindness, you are healed.'
The Republican felt the strength come back into his legs, got up, and danced a jig out the door.
Jesus also passed by the Libertarian, touched him and said, 'For your kindness, you are healed.' The Libertarian felt his back straightening up, and he raised his hands, praised the Lord and did a series of back flips out the door.
Then Jesus walked towards the Democrat. The Democrat jumped up and yelled, 'Don't touch me .. I'm collecting disability.'
The waitress nodded 'yes,' so the Republican requested that she give Jesus a cup of coffee, on him.
The next patron to come in was a Libertarian with a hunched back. He shuffled over to a booth, painfully sat down, and asked the waitress for a cup of hot tea. He also glanced across the restaurant and asked, 'Is that Jesus over there?'
The waitress nodded, so the Libertarian asked her to give Jesus a cup of hot tea, 'My treat.'
The third patron to come into the restaurant was a Democrat on crutches. He hobbled over to a booth, sat down and hollered, 'Hey there, honey! How's about getting' me a cold glass of Miller Light?' He, too, looked across the restaurant and asked, 'Is that God's boy over there?'
The waitress once more nodded, so the Democrat directed her to give Jesus a cold glass of beer. 'On my bill,' he said.
As Jesus got up to leave, he passed by the Republican, touched him and said, 'For your kindness, you are healed.'
The Republican felt the strength come back into his legs, got up, and danced a jig out the door.
Jesus also passed by the Libertarian, touched him and said, 'For your kindness, you are healed.' The Libertarian felt his back straightening up, and he raised his hands, praised the Lord and did a series of back flips out the door.
Then Jesus walked towards the Democrat. The Democrat jumped up and yelled, 'Don't touch me .. I'm collecting disability.'
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
jhey
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Date: November 29, 2010 02:42PM
The True Jesus Knows Wrote:
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> A Republican in a wheelchair blah blah blah
Meh... Monty Python did it better.
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> A Republican in a wheelchair blah blah blah
Meh... Monty Python did it better.
I'M A FIVE-STAR MAN!!
Re: Jesus Was Not a Capitalist
Posted by:
Britdrnva~
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Date: November 29, 2010 03:29PM
Life of Brian - that was a bloody good film! - good reference Jhey. Graham Chapman was my favourite Python.