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How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 29, 2010 12:41PM

Yes Britdrnva, your home country is a real utopia since no one supposedly has firearms.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html




England has worse crime rate than the US, says Civitas study
England and Wales has one of the worst crime rates among developed nations for rapes, burglaries and robberies, a major report has found.



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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Limey Bastards ()
Date: September 29, 2010 01:18PM

You tell'em eesh! No guns, then no problems encountered while robbin' or rapin'.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Teh King ()
Date: September 29, 2010 01:37PM

While I do support 2nd Amendment rights, I wonder if incarceration rates are a contributing factor as well.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: September 29, 2010 01:41PM

Eesh wrote:
"Yes Britdrnva, your home country is a real utopia since no one supposedly has firearms"

You trying to draw me out? What you're on about is chalk and cheese to what I was talking about yesterday.

Yesterday I made the example that more guns = more homicides. I never claimed that England is a utopia because there aren't guns (and btw, the police do carry guns in England in most cases). What I said was that there are far fewer homicides in England than in the US primarily due to the prevalence of guns in this country.

In England the homicide rate is 1.43 p/100k (the UK is 1.49 p/100k), in the US the homicide rate is 5.0 p/100k. This simple comparison shows that the US has over 3 times the homicide rate (primarily due to gun violence) than England does.

Nowhere have I made the claim that England is a utopia...if it were, why would I be in this country!? Every country has their good and bad things to it but no country is perfect (some far less than others - i.e. Somalia/Sudan etc).

I respect the law in this country though I may disagree with it...if you wish to own weapons by all means that's your prerogative and your lawful right. I just hold the belief that the prevalence of such weaponry leads to a preponderance of suffering and mayhem by a level of factors over and above other countries that have strict rules pertaining to such weaponry.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Date: September 29, 2010 01:46PM

The homicide rate would be higher in the UK, too, if the leading cause of murder wasn't umbrellas instead of guns.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Mr. Misery ()
Date: September 29, 2010 01:47PM

Britdrnva~, are you havin' a laugh? Core blimey up the apples & pears, innit?

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Mr. Misery ()
Date: September 29, 2010 01:48PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> The homicide rate would be higher in the UK, too,
> if the leading cause of murder wasn't umbrellas
> instead of guns.

in Engerland umbrellas are called bumbershoots.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Teh King ()
Date: September 29, 2010 02:54PM

Small consolation: we do have better teef on this side of the pond.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: itchy ()
Date: September 29, 2010 03:02PM

Teh King Wrote:
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> Small consolation: we do have better teef on this
> side of the pond.


Yea, what's up with that teef thing? Is that a genetic thing, something in the water, toothpaste shortage, or an example of The National Health Service?

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: September 29, 2010 03:37PM

itchy - it's an example of our NHS - or lack thereof. Mind you they have worked to improve not only access but costs. I think the max cost for any dental procedure is ~$330 and access has improved.

I was lucky, and was one of the few people with orthodontics when I was young (though I hated them at the time...suppose who doesn't). Orthodontics are typically only covered in private schemes in the UK and mainland Europe so a much larger prevalence of crooked teeth.

As for the yellow teeth...and such...I don't know what to say, you have me there.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: itchy ()
Date: September 29, 2010 03:47PM

Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> itchy - it's an example of our NHS - or lack
> thereof. Mind you they have worked to improve not
> only access but costs. I think the max cost for
> any dental procedure is ~$330 and access has
> improved.
>
> I was lucky, and was one of the few people with
> orthodontics when I was young (though I hated them
> at the time...suppose who doesn't). Orthodontics
> are typically only covered in private schemes in
> the UK and mainland Europe so a much larger
> prevalence of crooked teeth.
>
> As for the yellow teeth...and such...I don't know
> what to say, you have me there.


I was just messing around. Besides, West Virginia, one of several 3rd world states in the US has worse teeth than our UK friends so I certainly can't give anybody any flak. I joke around with a buddy of mine outside of Nottinghan about having to eat boiled meat. And he gives WV a hard time about banging cousins and sisters.



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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: September 29, 2010 03:49PM

Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> In England the homicide rate is 1.43 p/100k (the
> UK is 1.49 p/100k), in the US the homicide rate is
> 5.0 p/100k. This simple comparison shows that the
> US has over 3 times the homicide rate (primarily
> due to gun violence) than England does.


What is this metric-system-Eurotrash mumbo-jumbo this is AMERICA durnit!

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: An amurican ()
Date: September 29, 2010 03:55PM

SRSLY

When in Amurica...Do as the Amuricans do

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: itchy ()
Date: September 29, 2010 03:56PM

Just remember to bang someone else's cousin or sister.....not your's

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: September 29, 2010 04:01PM

Leaping Tony Soprano! You're right!

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> What is this metric-system-Eurotrash mumbo-jumbo
> this is AMERICA durnit!

Signatures are for fags

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 29, 2010 04:39PM

I'm amazed that South Africa ranks lower with it's reputation as a criminal hotspot.

To be fair to Britdrnva, there could be fluctuations in the numbers due to differing reporting standards.Some things considered violent crimes here may be looked at under a different standard in other nations.In Britain it may considered a violent offense if you raise your voice at someone or scowl. Many Brits are real fairies.


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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: September 29, 2010 05:45PM

I don't mean this in a mean way, because I like the British Doctor n'Va, but...

British Doctor n'Va, have you ever fired a gun or have any experience with the gun culture?

The reason I ask is... Just like Americans are morbidly-obese xenophobes who shoot each other all the time, the English have bad teeth and stab each other while talking about dangerous guns are and calling each other "guv'na." It's a stereotype.

The majority of gun owners (I've met, at least) are level-headed, responsible people. Considering how prevalent gun ownership is in this country, the homicide rate is pretty low. There's about 44 million gun owners, out of 310 million people, with most of the population packed into urban centers and suburbs.

According to some chart I saw on Wikipedia, there were about 20,000 homicides involving firearms at its peak in 1994. That means .05% of all gun owners will use their weapons to kill someone else. .007% of all Americans were murdered with guns at the worst. .005% or so will probably be murdered this year, compared to the .012% who will be killed in car accidents.

The numbers are low enough to show that the country as a whole can handle the burden of the right to bear arms. Guns are unique in that they're made for the sole purpose of killing someone else, but they're not as deadly as our right to drive cars, either.

When people want to murder someone, they use the deadliest weapon they have access to at the time, whether it's a gun, a knife, or their bare hands. Changing what they have access to doesn't mean anything; there's still gonna be some murderin' going on.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 29, 2010 06:36PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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>
> When people want to murder someone, they use the
> deadliest weapon they have access to at the time,
> whether it's a gun, a knife, or their bare hands.
> Changing what they have access to doesn't mean
> anything; there's still gonna be some murderin'
> going on.




+1 Look how many bombings the UK experiences versus the US.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 29, 2010 06:39PM

Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> Orthodontics
> are typically only covered in private schemes in
> the UK and mainland Europe so a much larger
> prevalence of crooked teeth.




Most of the Europeans I have seen with shitty teeth are from Eastern Europe and grew up during the Soviet/Eastern Bloc days. All the people I knew that were French, Italian, and from Germanic/Scandinavian countries had perfect teeth.

I never knew many Brits when I was in Europe, the only thing I noticed is they smelled worse than the Turks, and were usually very hairy.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 29, 2010 06:41PM

Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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>
> Yesterday I made the example that more guns = more
> homicides. I never claimed that England is a
> utopia because there aren't guns (and btw, the
> police do carry guns in England in most cases).




Since when?

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: September 29, 2010 06:48PM

Hey, when the terrorist networks finally launch Bombay style attacks on us, all of the Brits can chuck their knives at the gunmen. Here in the U.S. meanwhile, we'll lay them out flat with lead.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: tomahawk ()
Date: September 29, 2010 08:26PM

When I was in England I didn't see crooked teeth so much as I saw yellow teeth and smelled bad breath.

That's not for lack of dental care, that's becuase you don't brush your fucking teeth. I don't go to the dentist very often, and I have white teeth, good breath (haven't been told otherwise, anyway), and few problems. And I brush 2 or 3 times a day with toothpaste.

Not to bust on Brits, though, I liked them for the most part. Nice people, very friendly and fun to be around, especially when there's drinking to be done. Except for the ones who wet their pants over any discussion of firearms.

I also ran into some French people who fit the soapless stereotype a little too well, but it was only some of them. Most of them are cool, too.

Meanwhile, I fulfilled my role as the loudmouthed asshole from across the pond.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 29, 2010 08:50PM

'Britdrnva' wrote :
> "This simple comparison shows that the US has over 3 times
> the homicide rate (primarily due to gun violence) than England does.

THAT statisical pile of crap doesn't show that the homicides were commited with GUNS! It simply shows the level of homicide is a LOT higher here in the US.

GIVE UP THE CHARADE 'British Dr. In Va'.
You couldn't graduate from Lincoln Tech.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 29, 2010 08:59PM

'itchy' wrote :
> "Yea, what's up with that teef thing?
> "Is that a genetic thing,"

ACTUALLY CROOKED TEETH ARE A GENETIC THING.

> "something in the water,"

WELL THEY ARE NOT DRINKING FLORINE, IF YOU THINK
INJESTING THAT SHIT IS BENNEFICIAL.

> "toothpaste shortage,"

THERE ARE POOR PEOPLE All OVER THE WORLD WITH BAD TEETH
FOR THIS VERY REASON.

> "or an example of The National Health Service?"

AN EXAMPLE OF OUR HEALTH SERVICE IS
A LACK OF DENTAL CARE.

BEING IN A COUNTRY WHERE 90% OF THE PEOPLE YOU TALK
TO HAVE REPULSIVE BREATH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE
ROOM TO TALK.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: September 30, 2010 01:38PM

Eesh wrote:
"(and btw, the
> police do carry guns in England in most cases).

Since when?"

Any time there is a dangerous situation on hand or if they are guarding sensitive areas they are authorized to carry weapons.

Mr. Mephisto wrote:
"British Doctor n'Va, have you ever fired a gun or have any experience with the gun culture? "

I've got a very good friend who is proud to be a red neck wannabe. He has quite a bit of land west of Berryville and owns at least a dozen guns. I've been shooting (target only) on his land - it does provide a thrill - especially holding a heavy weapon capable of such destruction - that is undeniable. I'm not sure what the "gun culture" is so I really can't answer to that.

As for gun owners being level headed and responsible. You're right, the vast majority of gun owners are indeed responsible. But with the prevalence of guns in this country it's all too easy for irresponsible and irrational people to get them. It's also very possible for level headed/responsible people to snap given enough provocation and use a gun.

Hospitals in most any inner city in America resemble nothing in terms of their counterparts in Europe in that the American ones are more akin to the specialized skills required in war zones.

As for the tangential comments vis-a-vis teeth - it is a generalist statement, many of my friends/family in England do have proper teeth...many don't. It's a combination of many things - diet, cost, genetics, services, etc. Americans, generally speaking, do have much better teeth than the British counterparts. I'm not an expert in this so really can't venture to answer why this is. If I had to say it in a word - culture.

And lastly, my dear Troll - all I can say is you live up to your given persona on this board.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: swally ()
Date: September 30, 2010 01:51PM

BritDrnVA,

Is it true they don't have meatloaf in England? I tried looking it up but it's all very confusing.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: September 30, 2010 01:54PM

Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> As for gun owners being level headed and
> responsible. You're right, the vast majority of
> gun owners are indeed responsible. But with the
> prevalence of guns in this country it's all too
> easy for irresponsible and irrational people to
> get them. It's also very possible for level
> headed/responsible people to snap given enough
> provocation and use a gun.

Considering how low the murder rate is with firearms, I'd say it's a small price to pay for a freedom that many nations don't enjoy. I mean, how many alcohol-related deaths are there every year? Just because something kills a very, very, very small amount of its users doesn't mean EVERYONE should have to go without.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 02:01PM

Britdrnva wrote :
> "I've got a very good friend"

BULLSHIT YOU DON'T CALL GOOD FRIENDS RACIST NAMES.

> "who is proud to be a red neck wannabe."

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A RACIST SHIT BROWN
MINORITY LINCOLN TECH DROP OUT.

> "He has quite a bit of land west of
> Berryville and owns at least a dozen guns."

AND THIS MAKES HIM A REDNECK, NEGGER?

> "I've been shooting (target only) on his land
> - it does provide a thrill"

DOES IT PROVIDE AS GOOD OF A THRILL AS WHEN YOUR
SHIT-SLAMMING "GOOD FRIEND" PLOWS YOU UP YOUR ASSHOLE?

> "especially holding a heavy weapon"

YEAH, DON'T POKE YOURSELF IN THE EYE WITH THAT THING.

> "... that is undeniable."

YES YOU ARE UNDENIABLY GAY.


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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 30, 2010 02:04PM

I'm pretty sure Brit has commented in "favour" of drug "legalisation".

Evidently, drugs will be easier to control and keep out of the wrong hand if legalized, but the reverse effect happens with guns.


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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: September 30, 2010 02:05PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> I'm pretty sure Brit has commented in "favour" of
> drug "legalisation".
>
> Evidently, drugs will be easier to control and
> keep out of the wrong hand if legalized, but the
> reverse effect happens with guns.

I'm all for that, too, even though I know some people will still die because of drugs.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 30, 2010 02:07PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm pretty sure Brit has commented in "favour"
> of
> > drug "legalisation".
> >
> > Evidently, drugs will be easier to control and
> > keep out of the wrong hand if legalized, but
> the
> > reverse effect happens with guns.
>
> I'm all for that, too, even though I know some
> people will still die because of drugs.

Yep - legalize them - then let Darwinism sort out the rest.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 02:20PM

Might wanna start with something benign like Pot or even
Shrooms before we go legalizing all kinds of crazy shit.

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Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 30, 2010 02:24PM

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: September 30, 2010 03:01PM

Troll I'll indulge you - my friend calls himself a redneck wannabe...I should have noted that instead it gave you quite a bit of fodder to expound upon. He likes big trucks/ATVs, has loads of guns, die-hard Republican but on the flip side he goes to work in suit/tie, makes a fair sum and presents himself all proper and most un-rednecklike.

I am for the legalization of drugs (not hard ones mind you) marijuana and the sort.

Mr.Mephisto/Wingnut - I see both your points and analogies comparing alcohol for example (which causes a number of deaths far greater than guns do) with guns. Where I diverge from either of you is that guns sole purpose is for destruction. You both make valid cases that the mere possession constitutes a deterrent factor but I believe the ease at which one can acquire a weapon of such destruction causes a lot of pain and suffering in this country.

Wingnut - the 2nd amendment language is vague, you cannot question that. A militia to me is not an individual. As I've noted previously, the courts are on your side - so really what difference does it make - I can respect their views but I still hold that it is incorrect.

I love this country and I call myself American, I do have an accent and I am proud of where I am from. I do not believe government should control the individual except as to prevent the individual from doing harm to others.

Lastly, to Swally - there is meatloaf in England, but I never had it when I lived there and have only eaten it once in this country. It really isn't my cup of tea but then again a lot of the food in England wouldn't be yours. Another thing I didn't eat in England was peanut butter and jelly or plain peanut butter sandwiches. Putting dry between dry...just doesn't taste very scrumptious. But that's another topic that will surely set off Troll =)



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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 30, 2010 03:07PM

Guns sole purpose is not destruction, another purpose is PROTECTION and a gun that is never used but protects it's owner is better than a gun that is used.

You are for government control Brit, you support national health care.

Militia is an organization of people, an unofficial one at that. Now you can argue the language is archaic and goes back to rural times were residents would mob up together to defend a certain interest.

Don't like it? Change the Constitution.


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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: September 30, 2010 03:25PM

Wing you are diverging topics...but wth...national health does not mean one is giving up choice or control. If you want insurance by all means pay for it and use it. Private insurance exists in England, Germany, Canada, etc. National health should be a given for all.

I don't think it is fair for say a hard working individual to lose a job because of factors beyond their control and then not be able to afford healthcare.

I don't think it is right that this country pays more per person on healthcare yet 10s of millions are without healthcare and by many standards our health doesn't buy us what we spend on it.

I believe for-profit health insurance is inherently wrong. Their rates continue to go up and squeeze not only doctors but also consumers. Insurance rations healthcare just the same as any government agency does abroad. Their motives though are slightly different (they seek to earn money and turn a profit) whereas govt only has so much it can spend (hence the rationing).

Now where you and I will agree is this Obamacare package - it does throw a few crumbs to the masses but at an exorbitant cost to the tax payers. And it further enriches the insurance powers by mandating insurance for all.

Going back to gun control - we can go back and forth on semantics for the next 100 years. I read it one way, you another. Let's keep it at that. The courts have argued exactly what a militia means and like I've stated...they agree with you.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: September 30, 2010 03:37PM

I'm not going to pretend guns are anything other than what they are; tools for killing another person. Whether it's murder or self-defense, that's what they're for, eplicitely. A gun has no other use.

The people who are going to misuse them are going to misuse them. The rest of us should at least have the opportunity to be similarly armed as those who would misuse them, though.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 03:42PM

Mr. Mephisto wrote :
> "I'm not going to pretend guns are anything other than
> what they are; tools for killing another person. Whether it's
> murder or self-defense, that's what they're for, eplicitely.
> A gun has no other use."

WHAT ABOUT CRIME DETERENCE, HUNTING, AND TARGET PRACTICE?

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: swally ()
Date: September 30, 2010 03:47PM

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> Mr. Mephisto wrote :
> > "I'm not going to pretend guns are anything
> other than
> > what they are; tools for killing another person.
> Whether it's
> > murder or self-defense, that's what they're for,
> eplicitely.
> > A gun has no other use."
>
> WHAT ABOUT CRIME DETERENCE, HUNTING, AND TARGET
> PRACTICE?
>
> .


Hey Troll, did you ever eat Treetloaf?

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 03:52PM

Wait a minute, I'm stupid. Lemme Google that real quick.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 04:00PM

NO. I have not had the pleasure of eating trying Treetloaf.
It sounds delicious though. Would you like to bring a sampling
up to Roy's? I'll buy you a Pepsi. Meet me @ the Fixin's Bar.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: September 30, 2010 04:07PM

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> Mr. Mephisto wrote :
> > "I'm not going to pretend guns are anything
> other than
> > what they are; tools for killing another person.
> Whether it's
> > murder or self-defense, that's what they're for,
> eplicitely.
> > A gun has no other use."
>
> WHAT ABOUT CRIME DETERENCE,

Self-defense, as I mentioned.

> HUNTING

Unnecessary in this day and age. Hunting can also be done with a bow and arrow.

> AND TARGET PRACTICE?

The point of being a good shot is so you can kill someone easier.

There is no other use for a gun than killing something, period.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 04:17PM

Mephisto wrote :

(Me)> WHAT ABOUT CRIME DETERENCE,

(Mephisto)> Self-defense, as I mentioned.

***CRIME DETERENCE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SELF DEFENCE.
TWO (2) SEPERATE THINGS.

(Me)> HUNTING

(Mephisto)> "Unnecessary in this day and age."

***SO?

***I HAVE THE RIGHT TO HUNT WITH A GUN AND THAT'S THE
PREFERED METHOD AND I DON'T WANT IT STRIPED FROM ME
---BUT THIS IS ALSO A SEPERATE EXAMPLE YOU WERE SHYING
OVER WITH YOUR SWEEPING GENERALIZATION AS TO THE
NARROW SCOPE OF A FIREARM'S USES.

(Mephisto)> "Hunting can also be done with a bow and arrow."

***AGIAN, SO?

(Me)> AND TARGET PRACTICE?

(Mephisto)> "The point of being a good shot is so you
can kill someone easier."

***OR AN ANIMAL EASIER, OR AS A RECREATIONAL
ACTIVITY TO STRENGTHEN YOUR AIM FOR SELF
DEFENCE SCENARIOS LIKE YOU MENTIONED.

AGAIN A SEPERATE USE YOU FAILED TO ACKNOWLEDGE.


(Mephisto)> "There is no other use for a gun than
killing something, period."

THIS IS A RETARDED STATEMENT ^ ^ ^ -AFTER ALL THE
EXAMPLES WE JUST FINISHED GOING THROUGH.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: September 30, 2010 04:52PM

Wow, those capital letters really drive your point home. It's like you're not functionally retarded at all!

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 04:55PM

It's called contrast, you retard.

But thanks for reaffirming my point with your adamant logic.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: September 30, 2010 04:58PM

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> It's called contrast, you retard.



Actually, contrast would consist of you NOT TYPING.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: September 30, 2010 04:59PM

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> It's called contrast, you retard.
>
> But thanks for reaffirming my point with your
> adamant logic.
>
> .

Don't use big words unless you know what they mean, please.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2010 05:00PM by MrMephisto.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 05:18PM

Keep editing that simpleton post Mephisto, you BOZO.

Apparently you are too retarded to understand that "BIG" word
means --utterly unyielding, in attitude or opinion

See 'ADAMANT' @ http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adamant <--- CLICK HERE

AS IN;

YOUR PERSISTANT PUSH TO UNDERMINE MY STATEMENT
RESULTED IN YOU ULTIMATELY HELPING ME MAKE MY POINT
FOR ME. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CAME BACK WITH SUCH
GARBAGE-ASS RESPONSES LIKE THE ONE WE CURRENTLY
ARE DISCUSSING.

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"Why don't you LOSERS just pack your flower print DOUCHE BAGS
and get your stoopid @$$#$ THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNETZ!"

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: September 30, 2010 05:24PM

Whatever you say there, buddy.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 30, 2010 06:33PM

Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> Eesh wrote:
> "(and btw, the
> > police do carry guns in England in most cases).
>
> Since when?"
>
> Any time there is a dangerous situation on hand or
> if they are guarding sensitive areas they are
> authorized to carry weapons.




Well a "dangerous situation" isn't most of the time is it Britdr? Well, it might be since living in England is about as dangerous as a white guy walking his dog in SouthEast DC at midnight.

American police officers carry firearms every time they put on a uniform and go out on the streets. British police officers wear stab vests and go unarmed the majority of the time. The only time they bring out firearms is during situations that American police would call out the SWAT.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 30, 2010 06:35PM

Troll, please take the energy and time you show MrMephisto and focus it on Registered Voter. Your redneck right wing friend deserves it.

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Re: How Strict Gun Control Makes England Safe (LOL)
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 30, 2010 06:40PM

His neck is red again? Could be worse colors I suppose.

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