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GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Lopter59 ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:04AM

When nothing else works and your the Republican party, bring back old failed ideas again.

Tonight, CNN contributor Erick Erickson of RedState, The Republican's answer to the Daily Kos and its founder Markos Moulitsas just tore apart and ripped into shreds the House GOP's new plan to be unveiled tomorrow... "Pledge To America." This is the GOP's pathetic attempt to recapture Newt Gingrich's 1994 "Contract With America" which failed miserably and has been aptly renamed "Contract On America."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/22/904443/-RedStates-Erick-Erickson-Eviscerates-GOPs-Pledge-To-America?ref=nf

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:05AM

Idiot.


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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:06AM

Oh yes, Daily Kos. A totally unbiased source...

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Capt. Obvious ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:10AM

I much preferred the platform Democrats ran on in '06 and '08.

"Bush Sucks"

Now those were campaigns of substance. All of those concrete, articulate ideas.

Too bad they haven't come up with anything new since and are still running on that platform.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Lopter159 ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:22AM

Capt. Obvious Wrote:
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> I much preferred the platform Democrats ran on in
> '06 and '08.
>
> "Bush Sucks"
>
> Now those were campaigns of substance. All of
> those concrete, articulate ideas.
>
> Too bad they haven't come up with anything new
> since and are still running on that platform.

And they were right. Imagine that.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Capt. Obvious ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:30AM

Lopter159 Wrote:
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> > Too bad they haven't come up with anything new
> > since and are still running on that platform.
>
> And they were right. Imagine that.

So, you think that is still a winning strategy? No wonder your party is going down in flames. Also, it is pretty telling that you don't deny that there was never any substance to their campaigns. No ideas, no agenda,

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Lopter53 ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:37AM

Democrats have never been good campaigners, that's the reason nut case Republicans get elected.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:38AM

Capt. Obvious Wrote:
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> I much preferred the platform Democrats ran on in
> '06 and '08.
>
> "Bush Sucks"


And after their performance in kongress over the past four years driving us into the Great Recession, and the barrakk white house over the past two years inheriting the Bush administration's upward-pointing GDP and converting it into a downward-trending GDP the pollsters can find a third of Americans who miss Bush. That is why warming over that pile of crap platform is, again, backfiring.

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twitter @EyeAmU

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Capt. Obvious ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:39AM

Lopter53 Wrote:
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> Democrats have never been good campaigners, that's
> the reason nut case Republicans get elected.

Yeah, Clinton sucked. Obama was horrible and McCain was far better. What is your zip code over in fantasy land?

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: funny ()
Date: September 23, 2010 11:50AM

what's funny is that the recent favorability ratings of congress show that the american public have less confidence in the republicans to lead

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Capt. Obvious ()
Date: September 23, 2010 12:06PM

funny Wrote:
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> what's funny is that the recent favorability
> ratings of congress show that the american public
> have less confidence in the republicans to lead

Really?

"Voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on all 10 of the important issues regularly tracked by Rasmussen Reports.

The GOP has consistently been trusted on most issues for months now, but in July they held the lead on only nine of the key issues.

Republicans lead Democrats 47% to 39% on the economy, which remains the most important issue to voters. Those numbers are nearly identical to those found in June. Republicans have held the advantage on the economy since May of last year."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: September 23, 2010 12:06PM

funny Wrote:
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> what's funny is that the recent favorability
> ratings of congress show that the american public
> have less confidence in the republicans to lead



Is that because they invested all of their confidence
in the bottomless Hope and Change scammers?

Makes sense though if you think about it. It is like
getting cheated on by your spouse, and then having trouble
trusting anyone in the future.

Favorability? Nahhhhh, you guys suck.


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Date: September 23, 2010 12:22PM

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: obviously ()
Date: September 23, 2010 01:31PM

But the latest New York Times/CBS News poll also finds that while voters rate the performance of Democrats negatively, they view Republicans as even worse, providing a potential opening for Democrats to make a last-ditch case for keeping their hold on power.

Voters have a darker view of Congressional Republicans than of Democrats, with 63 percent disapproving of Democrats and 73 percent disapproving of Republicans. But with less than two months remaining until Election Day, there are few signs that Democrats have made gains persuading Americans that they should keep control of Congress.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/us/politics/16poll.html

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Tea Fiesta ()
Date: September 23, 2010 01:52PM

You know I have to say Im guilty of berating the tea party out of hand. Upon close examination they certainly do deserve to be berated.

Here is the interesting thing I feel about them though - the kernel of truth in their movement is that citizens are no longer in control and they want control back. We happen to disagree on whom is in control - they think Government controlled by Godless socialists are in control; I think its Godless Corporations in control of Government.

Regardless of the rational, it is interesting that so many people have come out to make the Tea Party look stupid. God forbid the citizens actually become empowered - you know the rabble.

We have the GOP (tastes like chicken) and the Dems (the other white meat) but lets be honest, Corporate money controls the Government. They realize that if all the citizens ever put 2 and 2 together we will start voting with our wallets...

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 23, 2010 02:09PM

The difference is in who supports more government and more regulations. Big business/corporations are just the same institutionalized evil as big government is. It seems like a Faustian choice to accept one over the other.

I was raised in a Democratic home and believed for years the dems were somehow by default the "party of the little guy". They're not, they are just as disgusting and corrupt a fraud as anyone, and to me, because the repubs are actually more forthcoming about their interests and intentions, they usually win my support.

I accept the role of corporations in America, and that comes with wisened cynicism, not some blind obedience. Government workers are for the most part lazy, self-important spoiled children, and we will survive just fine with less of them.

If I had to write thank you note to those who have positively affected my life, Exxon-Mobil and AstraZeneca would probably get one, HUD and the Dept of Education defintely wouldn't.



Tea Fiesta Wrote:
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> You know I have to say Im guilty of berating the
> tea party out of hand. Upon close examination
> they certainly do deserve to be berated.
>
> Here is the interesting thing I feel about them
> though - the kernel of truth in their movement is
> that citizens are no longer in control and they
> want control back. We happen to disagree on whom
> is in control - they think Government controlled
> by Godless socialists are in control; I think its
> Godless Corporations in control of Government.
>
> Regardless of the rational, it is interesting that
> so many people have come out to make the Tea Party
> look stupid. God forbid the citizens actually
> become empowered - you know the rabble.
>
> We have the GOP (tastes like chicken) and the Dems
> (the other white meat) but lets be honest,
> Corporate money controls the Government. They
> realize that if all the citizens ever put 2 and 2
> together we will start voting with our wallets...


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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: nutcracker ()
Date: September 23, 2010 02:24PM

you think the republicans have been more forthcoming with their interests? i guess if you're talking about overt bigotry and narrow-mindedness, then yes. they also hypocritically tout their support of christian-based religions, yet they don't follow the creed of the righteous (rather, appoint themselves as self-righteous by virtue of affiliation).

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 23, 2010 02:33PM

Bigotry and narrow-mindedness? Examples?


nutcracker Wrote:
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> you think the republicans have been more
> forthcoming with their interests? i guess if
> you're talking about overt bigotry and
> narrow-mindedness, then yes. they also
> hypocritically tout their support of
> christian-based religions, yet they don't follow
> the creed of the righteous (rather, appoint
> themselves as self-righteous by virtue of
> affiliation).


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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Wahhh ()
Date: September 23, 2010 02:35PM

What? I love Davey Koz!



ITRADE Wrote:
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> Oh yes, Daily Kos. A totally unbiased source...
Attachments:
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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: September 23, 2010 03:33PM

I read about their new "idea" fairly well borrowed from the Tea Party indeed.

It solves nothing vis-a-vis the national economy. Cutting 100$ billion whilst spending more in military = net savings little overall. Then you slash the income government with additional tax cuts = >deficit.

Doesn't make sense to me at least. You want to cut the deficit start with the wars, par back military spending. Increase taxes etc. Less govt spending + increased revenues = <deficit.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: more on military! ()
Date: September 23, 2010 04:47PM

lol more on military - that is what we need for sure.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: September 23, 2010 07:46PM

Lopter59 Wrote:
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>
> ... "Pledge To America."



“We are not going to be any different than what we’ve been.â€

- John Boehner, 9/23/2010

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Lopter48 ()
Date: September 23, 2010 07:59PM

For a big announcement by the Republicans, intended to bring back Tea party voters, the "Pledge to America" got almost no press.

All the news said is that Republicans are trying an idea from the 90's to win over voters.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 23, 2010 08:42PM

Yes, genius. It received almost no press because...I'll give you three guesses.

And the idea worked in the 90's, there was a surplus right? Or did Saint Bill do all of that himself?


Lopter48 Wrote:
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> For a big announcement by the Republicans,
> intended to bring back Tea party voters, the
> "Pledge to America" got almost no press.
>
> All the news said is that Republicans are trying
> an idea from the 90's to win over voters.


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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: village idiot ()
Date: September 23, 2010 09:56PM

I saw part of the pledge was to repeal parts of or all of Obamacare. If the rest of it is like that, they will have my vote.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: September 24, 2010 09:52AM

80% will get vetoed by Obama.

Then Boehner et al will remind us why we voted them out of office to begin with -- I suspect Boehner/McConnell won't close down the government because they had to sit on the back of an airplane though.

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Posted by: the royal we ()
Date: September 24, 2010 09:56AM

formerhick76 Wrote:
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> 80% will get vetoed by Obama.
>
> Then Boehner et al will remind us why we voted
> them out of office to begin with -- I suspect
> Boehner/McConnell won't close down the government
> because they had to sit on the back of an airplane
> though.

Who is "we?" Is it the same "we" that is about to send Nancy packing?

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: September 24, 2010 11:05AM

The Tea Party shouldn't stand behind it this Republican "idea".

The Tea Party is neo-libertarian - if they want smaller govt it should be across the board not to programs/depts they don't like. Consistency is the key here. We don't need to be in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Pull out except for token special forces (i.e. <1k personnel) in each country. Privatise the post-office, Amtrak, SS, Medicare/medicaid, national parks, Dept of Educ, etc. Do away with the FAA, let the Air Traffic Control system become privatised, let's do away with banking and environmental controls too as that's costly and socialistic. Pear it down to the bare minimum then institute a flat tax of 10% with an exemption to the poor say progressively 0% (for those earning <20k p/yr) to the full 10% for those earning (35k p/yr). Get rid of all governmental contractors - they cost the federal govt an exorbitant sum.

Then sever most state hand-outs (highway, education, etc) let the states privatize our roads, our schools and police/fire/ambulance networks.

God it sounds like a nightmare to me but that's what these nutters want. The country would fall apart with only the richest enjoying status-quo are greater in terms of benefits and the rest of the country falling into disarray as we switch to a more purely capitalistic form of governance.

I think if something like that came to fruition I'd move back to England. In fact I know I would. This magnificent country would turn into many third world countries I've visited where only the privileged classes can afford the luxuries we take for granted now.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Lopter30 ()
Date: September 24, 2010 11:12AM

The Republican motto is simply "say anything to get elected."

Surprised Republicans don't just campaign on "No taxes, no regulations and no government."

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Capt. Obvious ()
Date: September 24, 2010 11:26AM

Lopter30 Wrote:
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> The Republican motto is simply "say anything to
> get elected."

What do Democrats say?

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 24, 2010 12:44PM

Libertarianism is a good goal to push for, but it will never be fully instituted by any means. The best you could hope for is just a push toward limited government, the same way a lot of the hardcore liberals who wanted change in the 60's weren't really ready for the box they opened and became Reagan Democrats or neo-cons.

Government is a monster and too powerful to ever be killed. Frankly a lot of the would be slayers wouldn't have the stomach for it. But they do understand the overpend and overreach part just fine and see the audacity and failure of other socialist and semi-socialist systems. Did you know in your merry UK, soeone has had the gall to propose all payroll checks go to the government first?http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/4652-whose-money-is-it-anyway Having these bastards run your health care threatens us enough, could you imagine waiting for the fed to cut you a check for money you earned?

You talk shit when you give the extreme examples- "Oh, then they'll be no FDA and people will buy snake oil" or "Oh, there will no education", as if these are legitimate possibilities.

If you need the level of government that we have now and feel threatened if there is less of it, you're probably a real weak son of a bitch that should be living back in those shitty rocks in the North Sea that my people were smart enough to vacate. We came when there wasn't shit here. Sounds like you waited for someone else to do the heavy lifting then came a few hundred years later.

Thanks eurotrash, we'll do fine without you.


Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> The Tea Party shouldn't stand behind it this
> Republican "idea".
>
> The Tea Party is neo-libertarian - if they want
> smaller govt it should be across the board not to
> programs/depts they don't like. Consistency is
> the key here. We don't need to be in either
> Afghanistan or Iraq. Pull out except for token
> special forces (i.e. <1k personnel) in each
> country. Privatise the post-office, Amtrak, SS,
> Medicare/medicaid, national parks, Dept of Educ,
> etc. Do away with the FAA, let the Air Traffic
> Control system become privatised, let's do away
> with banking and environmental controls too as
> that's costly and socialistic. Pear it down to
> the bare minimum then institute a flat tax of 10%
> with an exemption to the poor say progressively 0%
> (for those earning <20k p/yr) to the full 10% for
> those earning (35k p/yr). Get rid of all
> governmental contractors - they cost the federal
> govt an exorbitant sum.
>
> Then sever most state hand-outs (highway,
> education, etc) let the states privatize our
> roads, our schools and police/fire/ambulance
> networks.
>
> God it sounds like a nightmare to me but that's
> what these nutters want. The country would fall
> apart with only the richest enjoying status-quo
> are greater in terms of benefits and the rest of
> the country falling into disarray as we switch to
> a more purely capitalistic form of governance.
>
> I think if something like that came to fruition
> I'd move back to England. In fact I know I would.
> This magnificent country would turn into many
> third world countries I've visited where only the
> privileged classes can afford the luxuries we take
> for granted now.


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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: September 24, 2010 01:02PM

I'm just one person - I'm sure this country would be just fine without me. I'm not that conceited or self-important to believe otherwise.

I was merely extrapolating what it is that neo-libertarians believe and implementing those beliefs...take away all functions of govt except the barest necessities. Isn't that the libertarian way (and increasingly the Tea Party)? That vision is far scarier than the quasi-socialist America we live in today.

And no, I didn't know that England (run by conservatives now mind you) had proposed that...tis interesting - and I agree with you - I think that's a poor idea.

I believe government should exist for the people. To protect (defence, environment, internal malfeasance, business greed, health, etc.) and provide (safety - roads/infrastructure, clean air/water, healthcare, unemployment, education, etc.)

What I don't believe government should do is regulate social mores. On this level I'm right up there with libertarians but not likely the Tea Party (which is religiously conservative). If adults want to smoke pot, or get married, etc. they should have that right.

And lastly, I won't fall for the name-calling bait. I know on the internet people tend to be less than civil more often than not. But I prefer to keep it fairly above-board. You're entitled to your opinions of me as I am of you. I just prefer to have mine backed by rational thought.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: September 24, 2010 01:21PM

Brit, you won't get me started on the social mores bit. Some of the Tea crowd are religious oriented for sure, but it's the biggest load of shit in the world for you to suggest there would be some type of theological takeover of the country with a libertarian oriented group in power. Want to do drugs? Want to fuck someone of the same sex? Want to buy sex? Want to gamble? All this crap is basically accepted with a wink and a nod in America already.If you are worried about getting busted for these things, the shame is on you, because of your own fear.

It's a fucking cheap scare tactic for people like you to suggest abortion would be illegal, gays persecuted or any of these other horror fantasies. Repubs don't want gays in the military, I could give two shits. Personally I believe in all these rights also, I think marriage has nothing to do with the state. But will I swap rfeeedoms that are meaningful to me for some freedoms I don't choose to practice? No.

And don't lay the crap that the UK is run by Conservatives, it's not, it's just a name. Your Conservative Party would be our liberal Democrats in the statist policies they support.Sure, compared to Labor they are "conservative", but all that is is a tradional name. In Russia the Liberal Democratic Party is some fascist entity run by anti-semites and USSR revanchists.


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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 24, 2010 01:33PM

Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> I'm just one person - I'm sure this country would
> be just fine without me. I'm not that conceited
> or self-important to believe otherwise.
>
> I was merely extrapolating what it is that
> neo-libertarians believe and implementing those
> beliefs...take away all functions of govt except
> the barest necessities. Isn't that the
> libertarian way (and increasingly the Tea Party)?

Not even close. If you believe that then you are definitely watching the wrong media sources, and that is why people have such a warped view of what the reality is. You end up with folks like FUNdy and Voter (and WTL) who push the extreme view scenarios as part of the scare tactics.

While a pure Libertarian may believe that a purely minimalist Federal government will work, that is certainly not what folks in the Tea party are advocating for. And honestly, what the fuck is a 'neo-libertarian"? Even for me that is what - trying to connect folks to neo-conservatives (whatever they were) so there is some cute way to say it is all Bush? I mean seriously.

Less government is good - no government is bad. There is WAY TOO MUCH government in many areas even today, as evidenced by mcsmack's attempts to emulate the BLS folks. We set up endless levels of Bureaucracy to protect EVERYONE from issues that only affect a few people (like say 1% have a problem - suddenly we have to have an Office of X to deal with those issues). We have redundant layers of Bureaucracy to protect us from other Bureaucracies, etc, etc, etc. Yes, there needs to be some regulations to protect the public good - AND they need to ensure they ENFORCE the regulations that are supposed to be over-seeing. When we have a failure of oversight, that doesn't mean we need another office or law to make new regulations. It means we need to examine where the failures were, and either revamp how it works, or fire the jackasses not doing their jobs.

> That vision is far scarier than the
> quasi-socialist America we live in today.

Which is exactly why they are trying to sell it to you with the fear. While we are definitely heading too far into Socialism with some of the things the current Democratic Congress tried to pass, there is pretty much ZERO chance we would end up in some libertarian utopia where there are no protections at all.

As far as regulating social values, we already have that. The laws of the land already reflect, to a large extent, behaviors and values based on Christian teachings. Certainly we don't need to be more restrictive, and there are easy ways to compromise on issues like Civil Unions and other situations that are more tools to gain tax breaks and shared benefits than any type of social restructuring - but these need to be treated that way, and taken away from constantly being pushed in the faces of folks who don't share those beliefs in some kind of game of gotcha. Giving certain people benefits doesn't suddenly mean the whole country has to be taught that their way of life is what everyone should just accept as socially and morally correct. Yet you see that being pushed in our school systems constantly from both sides. That is where things have gone wrong - instead of learning to tolerate other beliefs - and letting other folks live and let live - we have gone down this road where once something is decided in a way to allow for certain people to live their lifestyle, suddenly everyone has to have it shoved in their face. That is what has gotten old - from both sides.

We need LESS Federal involvement in day to day affairs of our lives. For instance, health care should remain outside the government other than monitoring and enforcing basic and sometimes necessary regulations. But if we move the management of health care to the government, who do we appeal to or sue when they don't give us the coverage we desire? Who watches the watchmen? No one once it is run by the Federal government - there will be no higher power to grieve to for injustices. That is where people lose sight of what the Federal government should do. Not run everything themselves - but be there to ensure things are run to protect our rights and not harm us. That doesn't mean a company cannot be profitable - but it should not provide a service that will harm us, or unduly burden us with what amounts to serfdom for the rest of our lives.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2010 01:33PM by Registered Voter.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Les ()
Date: September 24, 2010 02:09PM

My guess is that health reform doesn't get repealed. The employer mandate goes away, but the individual mandate stays. The federal government continues subsidizing the risk pools so the insurers can dump their bad risks onto the taxpayer.

The insurers own both parties. They badly want te government to force customers into their clutches. Their other big wish list is forced annuitization of 401(k)'s and IRA's once you turn 65.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: diet right ()
Date: September 24, 2010 03:03PM

yes, we need less government in our lives. on a serious note, let's start by cutting defense spending first since that's what caused much of this runaway economic train in the first place, especially since no wmds or osama bin ladens were found after the $10t that was spent. then, let's have a rif in the military. we're unwinding our war efforts, or lack thereof, so less need for soldiers. these are just some examples of places where there is way too much gov't.

on a less serious note, we could probably cut the police since no one here seems to like them. then, let's cut emt services and require everyone to use webmd for diagnoses and drive themselves to the hospital (fuck ambulances, right?). after that, let's move on to teachers and schools. cut. that. shit. out. make everyone home school themselves on the interwebz. on second thought, i don't think the federal gov't is interferring in my life at all, but those god damn churches are. let's kick them all out, especially the christian ones because they are fake as all hell. getting dressed up on sunday to pray to a fake bearded birkenstock hippie to rid you of your sins, only to go out and continue sinning and exercising intolerance once you get your body of christ cookie wafer. what the fuck man. seriously?

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 24, 2010 03:06PM

diet right Wrote:
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> yes, we need less government in our lives. on a
> serious note, let's start by cutting defense
> spending first since that's what caused much of
> this runaway economic train in the first place,
> especially since no wmds or osama bin ladens were
> found after the $10t that was spent. then, let's
> have a rif in the military. we're unwinding our
> war efforts, or lack thereof, so less need for
> soldiers. these are just some examples of places
> where there is way too much gov't.
>
> on a less serious note, we could probably cut the
> police since no one here seems to like them.
> then, let's cut emt services and require everyone
> to use webmd for diagnoses and drive themselves to
> the hospital (fuck ambulances, right?). after
> that, let's move on to teachers and schools. cut.
> that. shit. out. make everyone home school
> themselves on the interwebz. on second thought, i
> don't think the federal gov't is interferring in
> my life at all, but those god damn churches are.
> let's kick them all out, especially the christian
> ones because they are fake as all hell. getting
> dressed up on sunday to pray to a fake bearded
> birkenstock hippie to rid you of your sins, only
> to go out and continue sinning and exercising
> intolerance once you get your body of christ
> cookie wafer. what the fuck man. seriously?

This is the BS that is meaningless in this discussion. It is just a big WAHHHH.

Talk about bitter - you are.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: diet right ()
Date: September 24, 2010 03:13PM

how am i being bitter? i'm just being better. than you. grow a sense of humor, will ya. you wrote more words, so it's arguable that your wahh is more emphatic.

what's your take on cutting defense spending? looks like this pledge says we need to take it up a notch. orly? splain it, lucy.

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Re: GOP is Going Tea Party "Pledge to America" Gimmick
Posted by: p.s. ()
Date: September 24, 2010 03:15PM

how long were you a bank teller? drive thru or counter? lettuce no.

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