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Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: September 02, 2010 11:43AM

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/02/rescue-efforts-underway-after-oil-rig-accident-in-gulf/

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Date: September 02, 2010 11:43AM

That moratorium doesn't seem so stupid now, does it?

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: rigger ()
Date: September 02, 2010 11:46AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> That moratorium doesn't seem so stupid now, does
> it?

Umm, yes it does. Why don't you wait for some facts to come out and prove you wrong.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: September 02, 2010 11:48AM

That rig wasn't in production, moratorium or not has nothing to do with it. Plus it likely wasn't a deepwater rig anyway. Kind of a knee-jerk reaction, just sayin'.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Date: September 02, 2010 11:48AM

rigger Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That moratorium doesn't seem so stupid now,
> does
> > it?
>
> Umm, yes it does. Why don't you wait for some
> facts to come out and prove you wrong.


The fact is you have had two oil rigs explode in the Gulf in six months. Obviously shit isn't being done correctly. The point of the moratorium is to investigate how things are being done in the Gulf to prevent shit like this from happening.

Now, you are free to go fuck yourself.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: September 02, 2010 11:53AM

But the drilling moratorium doesn't affect current rigs in production or out of production... I don't get what it has to do with existing rigs that aren't drilling new wells.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Date: September 02, 2010 11:56AM

justsayin Wrote:
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> But the drilling moratorium doesn't affect current
> rigs in production or out of production... I don't
> get what it has to do with existing rigs that
> aren't drilling new wells.


My point being that the critics of the moratorium are claiming that the industry is dealing with safety effectively. It's not. The fact that this rig doesn't fall under the moratorium only bolsters the fact that the industry is incapable of self-regulation.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:05PM

No - the critics of the moratorium are saying the shutdown will cause a large loss of jobs, and cause other related issues. The safety concerns are valid and need to be looked into and addressed - on a case by case basis.

Yes, the industry is incapable of self-regulation - that is why the Federal government has regulations in place to regulate the oil exploration and drilling. Maybe if they got out there and actually ENFORCED the regulations, these kind of problems would not exist.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Highlander ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:06PM

Two rigs explode within six months in the same area? I think the "shit not being done correctly" is the least of our worries...

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: grilled peaches ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:07PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But the drilling moratorium doesn't affect
> current
> > rigs in production or out of production... I
> don't
> > get what it has to do with existing rigs that
> > aren't drilling new wells.
>
>
> My point being that the critics of the moratorium
> are claiming that the industry is dealing with
> safety effectively. It's not. The fact that this
> rig doesn't fall under the moratorium only
> bolsters the fact that the industry is incapable
> of self-regulation.

Your point is complete and total bullshit. What, with the absense of Vince, you feel the need to play the daily retard?

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:10PM

Only 13 workers on board. Rig couldn't have been in prod. at current location No chance of spill. Most likely was being readied to be moved somewhere or idled.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/02/2010 12:12PM by mcsmack.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:12PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> No - the critics of the moratorium are saying the
> shutdown will cause a large loss of jobs, and
> cause other related issues. The safety concerns
> are valid and need to be looked into and addressed
> - on a case by case basis.

+1... no offense WTL but your position is very uninformed.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Lopter58 ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:17PM

Spill baby spill!


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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:19PM

Can't blame people for being a bit jumpy especially down there. Tweeted a friend who is an Environmental Engineer for Exxon out of New Orleans. They don't seem to be that concerned about it.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Pooh Bear ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:22PM

Lopter58 Wrote:
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> Spill baby spill!


Sorry, Lopter, fail baby fail is your tune.

Update at 12:14 p.m. ET: The New Orleans Tiems-Picayune descrbies the facility, called Vermillion 380, as a "fixed, manned production platform." The newspaper says the platform is not involved in drilling and, unlike the ill-fated BP rig, is not a floating rig, but rather is a fixed platform.


Update at 12:11 p.m. ET: The Coast Guard tells MSNBC that the facility is not a rig, but is a platform that does not do any drilling.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Freddy ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:35PM

There are plemty of other examples recently like this one off Venezuala:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8679981.stm

and this one near the coast of Australia (concrete work done by Halliburton again)
http://www.watoday.com.au/environment/inquiry-announced-into-timor-sea-oil-spill-20091105-hz7x.html

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:36PM

Pooh Bear Wrote:
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> Lopter58 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Spill baby spill!
>
>
> Sorry, Lopter, fail baby fail is your tune.
>
> Update at 12:14 p.m. ET: The New Orleans
> Tiems-Picayune descrbies the facility, called
> Vermillion 380, as a "fixed, manned production
> platform." The newspaper says the platform is not
> involved in drilling and, unlike the ill-fated BP
> rig, is not a floating rig, but rather is a fixed
> platform.
>
>
> Update at 12:11 p.m. ET: The Coast Guard tells
> MSNBC that the facility is not a rig, but is a
> platform that does not do any drilling.


Probably just a pipeline transfer platform

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: got one? ()
Date: September 02, 2010 12:38PM

Freddy Wrote:
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> There are plemty of other examples recently like
> this one off Venezuala:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8679981.stm
>
> and this one near the coast of Australia (concrete
> work done by Halliburton again)
> http://www.watoday.com.au/environment/inquiry-anno
> unced-into-timor-sea-oil-spill-20091105-hz7x.html

What exactly is your point?

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Freddy ()
Date: September 02, 2010 01:03PM

Off shore drilling is risky and in the case of the Timor Sea spill lessons should be learnt and comparisons made to the deepwater spill.

I'm not against off-shore drilling, mankind will ultimately extract every drop of oil it can lay its hands on - it's fairly unstoppable. Also blaming the oil companies for spills is hypocritcal when it's the consumer who makes them take greater and greater risks to satisfy their need for oil.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: not one ()
Date: September 02, 2010 01:07PM

Freddy Wrote:
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> Off shore drilling is risky and in the case of the
> Timor Sea spill lessons should be learnt and
> comparisons made to the deepwater spill.
>
> I'm not against off-shore drilling, mankind will
> ultimately extract every drop of oil it can lay
> its hands on - it's fairly unstoppable. Also
> blaming the oil companies for spills is
> hypocritcal when it's the consumer who makes them
> take greater and greater risks to satisfy their
> need for oil.

Well, Lopter, I mean Freddy, what do either of those spills have to do with the current explosion?

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 02, 2010 01:29PM

The FCC requires broadcasters to get licenses before they can build a new broadcast station. There are numerous inspections performed during the build-out process, but the broadcast facility will not receive a license to actually broadcast until a final inspection is performed by FCC engineers (or their contractors) to ensure they are broadcasting at the right frequency and power - unless they are an educational facility. So, if the FCC can perform licensing functions on a regular basis for broadcast facilities, it seems that the functions of build-out and inspection prior to allowing oil rigs to go live and operational should not take a brain trust to figure out.

The failure lies squarely in the licensing and process to going live and the people doing the sign-offs. Anyone that is still working for the Federal government that signed off on the obvious inadequacies of the BP rig should no longer be there, and probably prosecuted for criminal negligence.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Date: September 02, 2010 01:33PM

justsayin Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No - the critics of the moratorium are saying
> the
> > shutdown will cause a large loss of jobs, and
> > cause other related issues. The safety concerns
> > are valid and need to be looked into and
> addressed
> > - on a case by case basis.
>
> +1... no offense WTL but your position is very
> uninformed.


No offense taken, but it is very informed. Prior to the BP spill, the government did what RV was advocating...and it didn't work. A change was in order. Will it cost jobs? Yes. But another oil spill would cost even more.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: grouse grazing ()
Date: September 02, 2010 01:35PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> justsayin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > No - the critics of the moratorium are saying
> > the
> > > shutdown will cause a large loss of jobs, and
> > > cause other related issues. The safety
> concerns
> > > are valid and need to be looked into and
> > addressed
> > > - on a case by case basis.
> >
> > +1... no offense WTL but your position is very
> > uninformed.
>
>
> No offense taken, but it is very informed. Prior
> to the BP spill, the government did what RV was
> advocating...and it didn't work. A change was in
> order. Will it cost jobs? Yes. But another oil
> spill would cost even more.

There is no other oil spill. You don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater to improve the inspection process and licensing. It is shortsighted and asinine to think so.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Date: September 02, 2010 01:50PM

grouse grazing Wrote:
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>
> There is no other oil spill. You don't have to
> throw the baby out with the bathwater to improve
> the inspection process and licensing. It is
> shortsighted and asinine to think so.


The underwear bomber failed to blow up the plane. Maybe we shouldn't have tightened security, either.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: grouse grazing ()
Date: September 02, 2010 01:52PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> grouse grazing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > There is no other oil spill. You don't have to
> > throw the baby out with the bathwater to
> improve
> > the inspection process and licensing. It is
> > shortsighted and asinine to think so.
>
>
> The underwear bomber failed to blow up the plane.
> Maybe we shouldn't have tightened security,
> either.

Piss poor analogy. Using your logic on the moratorium, you would have grounded all planes.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Date: September 02, 2010 01:53PM

grouse grazing Wrote:

> >
> > The underwear bomber failed to blow up the
> plane.
> > Maybe we shouldn't have tightened security,
> > either.
>
> Piss poor analogy. Using your logic on the
> moratorium, you would have grounded all planes.


After 9/11, we did.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: grouse grazing ()
Date: September 02, 2010 01:57PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> grouse grazing Wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The underwear bomber failed to blow up the
> > plane.
> > > Maybe we shouldn't have tightened security,
> > > either.
> >
> > Piss poor analogy. Using your logic on the
> > moratorium, you would have grounded all planes.
>
>
> After 9/11, we did.

Another piss poor comparison. You are comparing 9/11 to the Gulf oil spill?

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Date: September 02, 2010 02:01PM

grouse grazing Wrote:
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> >
> > After 9/11, we did.
>
> Another piss poor comparison. You are comparing
> 9/11 to the Gulf oil spill?


No. You did.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: grouse grazing ()
Date: September 02, 2010 02:05PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> grouse grazing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > >
> > > After 9/11, we did.
> >
> > Another piss poor comparison. You are
> comparing
> > 9/11 to the Gulf oil spill?
>
>
> No. You did.

And where would that be? Maybe you should reread the posts. You introduced airline security as an analogy, then you brought up 9/11. Enjoy your stay in Failville, WTL.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Date: September 02, 2010 02:07PM

grouse grazing Wrote:
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> >
> > No. You did.
>
> And where would that be? Maybe you should reread
> the posts. You introduced airline security as an
> analogy, then you brought up 9/11. Enjoy your
> stay in Failville, WTL.

You brought up grounding all planes. When, in the history of this country, has that happened?

No, Mayor of Failville, I won't be staying in your town today.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: September 02, 2010 02:12PM


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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: grouse grazing ()
Date: September 02, 2010 02:12PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> grouse grazing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > >
> > > No. You did.
> >
> > And where would that be? Maybe you should
> reread
> > the posts. You introduced airline security as
> an
> > analogy, then you brought up 9/11. Enjoy your
> > stay in Failville, WTL.
>
> You brought up grounding all planes. When, in the
> history of this country, has that happened?

I was pointing out that your attempted analogy was off base. WAY off base. You want the most extreme measure to remedy the situation. A measure that is not necessary as other means can accomlplish the goal you seek. Your next question is irrelevant. Any other piss poor analogies you want to make? You are on a roll today.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 02, 2010 02:30PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> No offense taken, but it is very informed. Prior
> to the BP spill, the government did what RV was
> advocating...and it didn't work. A change was in
> order. Will it cost jobs? Yes. But another oil
> spill would cost even more.

WTL - contrary to your belief - the government was NOT doing what I advocated. You don't need a moratorium to do a safety review of all the rigs. Once you do the review, you deal with them on a case by case basis. For any NEW rigs, you ENSURE the regulations are being followed to the letter.

Got it? Because your assumption above was wrong. Before the BP issue, they were only doing spot checks on various rigs, signing off on completed work that was anything but, and allowing safety violations to exist without penalty to include continued operations of the rigs. That is some patent BS, and that is what was going on before - under the recently revised Obama regulatory agency.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Lopter40 ()
Date: September 02, 2010 03:28PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yes, the industry is incapable of self-regulation
> - that is why the Federal government has
> regulations in place to regulate the oil
> exploration and drilling. Maybe if they got out
> there and actually ENFORCED the regulations, these
> kind of problems would not exist.

Finally RV agrees that government regulations are needed.

Spill baby Spill!

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Lopter49 ()
Date: September 02, 2010 03:30PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
> WTL - contrary to your belief - the government was
> NOT doing what I advocated. You don't need a
> moratorium to do a safety review of all the rigs.
> Once you do the review, you deal with them on a
> case by case basis. For any NEW rigs, you ENSURE
> the regulations are being followed to the letter.
>
> Got it? Because your assumption above was wrong.
> Before the BP issue, they were only doing spot
> checks on various rigs, signing off on completed
> work that was anything but, and allowing safety
> violations to exist without penalty to include
> continued operations of the rigs. That is some
> patent BS, and that is what was going on before -
> under the recently revised Obama regulatory
> agency.

The moratorium was on new drilling and permits.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 02, 2010 03:31PM

Lopter40 Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes, the industry is incapable of
> self-regulation
> > - that is why the Federal government has
> > regulations in place to regulate the oil
> > exploration and drilling. Maybe if they got out
> > there and actually ENFORCED the regulations,
> these
> > kind of problems would not exist.
>
> Finally RV agrees that government regulations are
> needed.
>
> Spill baby Spill!

Lopter - you are just a fucknut.

I have always said regulation is needed. But there is regulation, and then just stupid anal probing for no other reason than government harassment. Folks like yourself tend to go down that road - I tend to be of the mind that where it 'makes sense', 'serves the public good without being onerous to comply or enforce', etc. Most of the times jack asses like yourself will propose they regulate how the sun shines on any given day - something that sounds good in theory, but is impossible to do in any meaningful way.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: September 02, 2010 07:25PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704206804575468100771910946.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStoriesBy TENNILLE TRACY

WASHINGTON -- As Mariner Energy Inc. prepares to investigate the causes of its Gulf of Mexico platform fire, government statistics show that more than 100 fires and explosions have taken place in the gulf each year since at least 2006.

Ain't no big thang.

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Re: Here we go again - another oil rig explosion
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: September 02, 2010 08:44PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> That moratorium doesn't seem so stupid now, does
> it?


What does the moratorium have to do with sabotage?

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