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Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: August 30, 2010 05:01PM

Arizona GOP Gov. Jan Brewer claimed recently that law enforcement has been finding beheaded bodies in the desert — but local agencies say they’ve never encountered such a case.

“Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded,†Brewer said Sunday, suggesting that the beheadings were part of increased violence along the border.

But medical examiners from six of Arizona’s counties — four of which border Mexico — tell the Arizona Guardian that they’ve never encountered an immigration-related crime in which the victim’s head was cut off.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/39240.html

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: August 30, 2010 05:03PM


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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Date: August 30, 2010 05:08PM

Given the hysteria around illegal immigration and the omni-presence of YouTube, it seems highly unlikely something like this would occur without video of it showing up on the Internet.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: dika-dika ()
Date: August 30, 2010 05:35PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Given the hysteria around illegal immigration and
> the omni-presence of YouTube, it seems highly
> unlikely something like this would occur without
> video of it showing up on the Internet.


Are there any other videos of mexican mafias hanging each other from the bridges, gang shootouts with the police and other executions? I haven't seen any surface on youtube yet. If they did surface what is the verification that they are "real" or "germane" to illegal immigration or mexican mafia gang warfare. I believe if somebody got a video, they got enough sense not to put it on youtube and get killed.

I wouldn't doubt the governor claim, she probably seeing things through law enforcement means which the MSM wouldn't report anyway, when the MSM, Attorney Gen Holder and Homeland Sec Napatolino reports it is all "peaceful" in Mexico and on the border.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: drug gang Quote"Just shoot them" ()
Date: August 30, 2010 06:00PM

Cutting off their heads is too much work. We just shoot them NOW. 72 shot near U.S. boarder last week because they did not want to be in our gang. Whould add link but don't know how.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: August 30, 2010 06:04PM

So you admit to shooting but NOT beheading? see!

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: drug gang Quote "Just shoot them" ()
Date: August 30, 2010 06:51PM

We are a Mexican drug gang. Two weeks ago we cut the heads off of four men and hung them from a bridge by their feet. This week with the same man power we shot & killed 72, some women. The cutting of the heads was just the warning..... Coming to a county near you.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: ferfux ()
Date: August 30, 2010 06:54PM

I wanna see your papers ese!

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: drug gang Quote "Just shoot them" ()
Date: August 30, 2010 07:08PM

Ok, I'm a Poser but not making stuff up. Whould attach link but don't know how.

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Posted by: chuckhoffmann ()
Date: August 30, 2010 07:13PM

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: drug gang Quote "Just shoot them" ()
Date: August 30, 2010 07:34PM

chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> This sounds like she was just bullshitting (using
> Harry Frankfurter's definition, that "bullshit"
> means to speak without caring whether what you say
> is true.)
>
> She probably heard some story about police finding
> dead bodies in the desert, or saw it in a movie
> somewhere. I mean, I know people get killed in the
> desert, and there's some seriously bad people who
> do these things some times, but is it that
> frequent?
No Bull Shit here. Being on the internet 16 hrs. per day ...don't you look at the news??
or just porn?

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: August 30, 2010 08:41PM

She is way ahead of herself.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: August 30, 2010 09:46PM

dika-dika Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Given the hysteria around illegal immigration
> and
> > the omni-presence of YouTube, it seems highly
> > unlikely something like this would occur
> without
> > video of it showing up on the Internet.
>
>
> Are there any other videos of mexican mafias
> hanging each other from the bridges, gang
> shootouts with the police and other executions? I
> haven't seen any surface on youtube yet. If they
> did surface what is the verification that they are
> "real" or "germane" to illegal immigration or
> mexican mafia gang warfare. I believe if
> somebody got a video, they got enough sense not to
> put it on youtube and get killed.
>
> I wouldn't doubt the governor claim, she probably
> seeing things through law enforcement means which
> the MSM wouldn't report anyway, when the MSM,
> Attorney Gen Holder and Homeland Sec Napatolino
> reports it is all "peaceful" in Mexico and on the
> border.


No kidding. The border is a HUGE problem, and there is a ridiculous amount of crime and violence. I believe her, and wish other states would follow her example.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: August 30, 2010 09:53PM

It's only a matter of time before some MS-13 wannabes try something like this in the Fairfax area.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Date: August 30, 2010 09:53PM

If there were beheadings, there would be decapitated bodies in the desert. If Arizona troopers were coming across these, they would be documenting them with photos and video. You don't think the Governor would be releasing these to make her case? If it were happening, we would see it.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: dika-dika ()
Date: August 31, 2010 04:31AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> If there were beheadings, there would be
> decapitated bodies in the desert. If Arizona
> troopers were coming across these, they would be
> documenting them with photos and video. You don't
> think the Governor would be releasing these to
> make her case? If it were happening, we would see
> it.


Most of crime that happens is reported by the NEWs to the public, not the police because nobody believes them anyway. This blog questions the accuracy of the FCPS news releases all the time. How many folks got killed in DC this weekend? You can find a head in your backyard, if the News reporter do not show up, then the only persons that knows abouts it, is the "Police", "You", and the "Head". You can post that you found head on the FFXU and 9/10s of the folks here will think you are bat ass crazy. Do you believe all the videos you see on Youtube and images on the web? Do you believe what the police say? Do you believe what the news report? Do you believe what Obama say? Do you believe what Senator Webb say? Do you believe what the Governor of Virginia say? Do you believe what Jim Moran say? Do you believe what dika-dika say?

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 31, 2010 06:40AM

i know that drug cartels are at war and they behead each other in mexico but i havent heard of any beheadings involving hispanic immigrants or illegal aliens in the US.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 31, 2010 12:58PM

ferfux Wrote:
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> Arizona GOP Gov. Jan Brewer claimed recently that
> law enforcement has been finding beheaded bodies
> in the desert — but local agencies say they’ve
> never encountered such a case.
>
> “Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies
> in the desert either buried or just lying out
> there that have been beheaded,†Brewer said
> Sunday, suggesting that the beheadings were part
> of increased violence along the border.
>
> But medical examiners from six of Arizona’s
> counties — four of which border Mexico — tell
> the Arizona Guardian that they’ve never
> encountered an immigration-related crime in which
> the victim’s head was cut off.
>
>
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/39240.ht
> ml

I am trying to figure out your claim of 'recently'. This was old news a month ago.

Even Fox noted the issue in JULY - and referred to it as having been a month earlier then that.

Human Head Found in Arizona Fuels Political Debate
By Joshua Rhett Miller
Published July 15, 2010
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/15/human-head-arizona-fuels-political-debate/
...At least one human skull has been found in the Arizona desert in recent years, officials said. But that was in 2008, and no evidence was found that indicated it was the result of a decapitation. Rather, the coroner in the case determined, it was torn from the rest of the body after death -- most likely by a wild animal.

At the center of the current dispute is Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who, during a TV interview last month, said law enforcement agencies have found "beheaded" bodies in the broiling desert.

"Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded," Brewer said.

The governor's comments led to several reports scrutinizing her claim, including Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank's assertion that "there's not a follicle of evidence" to support the governor's statement.

An earlier report in the Arizona Guardian on June 30 noted that coroners' offices in six Arizona counties, including four that border Mexico, indicated they had never heard of beheadings within their jurisdictions.

Paul Senseman, Brewer's spokesman, said he did not know which law enforcement agency told the governor about the beheadings, citing security briefings he does not attend. Senseman said Brewer never insinuated that people were being beheaded in Arizona....


If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: ichabod crane ()
Date: March 03, 2011 11:59AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> If there were beheadings, there would be
> decapitated bodies in the desert. If Arizona
> troopers were coming across these, they would be
> documenting them with photos and video. You don't
> think the Governor would be releasing these to
> make her case? If it were happening, we would see
> it.


CHANDLER, Ariz. — Authorities have determined a man who was stabbed and beheaded in a suburban Phoenix apartment was killed for stealing drugs from a Mexican cartel, in a gruesome example of drug cartel violence spilling over the border.

Martin Alejandro Cota-Monroy, 38, stole 400 pounds of marijuana and some meth from a drug cartel while telling the cartel that the drugs had been seized by the Border Patrol, according to a Chandler police report released Wednesday.

The cartel found out Cota-Monroy had actually stolen the drugs and hired men to kidnap and kill him in Nogales, Mexico. But Cota-Monroy was able to talk his way out of being killed, saying he'd pay back the money and use his house for collateral, the report says.

But the house wasn't Cota-Monroy's and he fled to the Phoenix area, leading the cartel to hire assassins to go to Arizona, befriend Cota-Monroy and kill him.

Cota-Monroy's body was found Oct. 10 in a Chandler apartment — his severed head a couple of feet away. He also had apparently been bludgeoned and stabbed in the head, and had defensive wounds on his hands.

"It was a very gruesome scene," Chandler police Detective David Ramer said Wednesday. "Anytime you see a headless body stabbed multiple times, obviously that's gruesome. And this is a message being sent — not only are they going to kill you but they're going to dismember your body, and 'If you cross us, this is what happens.'"

Police said the cartel Cota-Monroy stole from is known as the PEI-Estatales/El Chapo drug trafficking organization, and that Cota-Monroy had been known to traffic drugs for his sister's lover, known as "El Jefe," Spanish for the boss.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/police-az-beheading-tied-858809.html

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: justsayin ()
Date: March 03, 2011 12:10PM

I guess we'll wait for all the talking heads here and on DailyKos to admit they were premature and plainly wrong. I didn't call out the claim as wrong because I thought it was believable, but we'll see if any apologies surface. She was hit hard during her campaign for claiming there existing Mexican drug-related beheadings.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: Voter_______ ()
Date: March 03, 2011 12:20PM

Wow, if we'd only known Brewer could see into the future!


justsayin Wrote:
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> I guess we'll wait for all the talking heads here
> and on DailyKos to admit they were premature and
> plainly wrong. I didn't call out the claim as
> wrong because I thought it was believable, but
> we'll see if any apologies surface. She was hit
> hard during her campaign for claiming there
> existing Mexican drug-related beheadings.

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Re: Brewer's beheading claim questioned
Posted by: Tony ()
Date: March 03, 2011 12:37PM

justsayin Wrote:
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> I guess we'll wait for all the talking heads here
> and on DailyKos to admit they were premature and
> plainly wrong. I didn't call out the claim as
> wrong because I thought it was believable, but
> we'll see if any apologies surface. She was hit
> hard during her campaign for claiming there
> existing Mexican drug-related beheadings.

They won't apologize or recant. That is a given. They will give some swarmy smart(read dumb)ass response like Vince v2.0 up there. The problem they can't overcome is the fact that they just flat out lost with this story coming out. They hung their hat on the wrong hook. Whether Brewer was right or wrong at the time about the beheadings is now immaterial and moot. The Kossites and Huffers all attacked her draconian policy positions as wrong because they were based on faulty facts like inaccurate claims of beheadings. Instead of going after the policies, they went after her underlying reasons. Well, now those reasons have happened and the Huffers and Kossites are standing there with their collective thumbs up their asses.

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