boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Bro, bro, bro...listen, do you know what changing
> the scope of an argument means? I didn't say
> anything about dropping $1mm bombs or "wasteful
> government" or whatever. That's your axe to grind
> with conversatives, not with the points I've
> raised. I cited two related things that make this
> trip really unpalatable--awareness (i.e., lack of
> awareness of how they would be perceived and lack
> of awareness of how many Americans can't even
> afford to go to water parks) and appearance (i.e.,
> politics is about appearances and this looks bad).
> I just don't know how anyone can defend the Obamas
> on these two points. The trip was stupid and
> showed tone deafness. It's hard for Obama to talk
> about sacrifice when his wife is spending up to
> $2500 a night at hotels. It looks bad and that
> undermines his effectiveness.

That's because you're a petty, sheep-fucking asshole. "Boo hoo hoo, people richer than me are living better than I am." Grow up.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bro, bro, bro...listen, do you know what
> changing
> > the scope of an argument means? I didn't say
> > anything about dropping $1mm bombs or "wasteful
> > government" or whatever. That's your axe to
> grind
> > with conversatives, not with the points I've
> > raised. I cited two related things that make
> this
> > trip really unpalatable--awareness (i.e., lack
> of
> > awareness of how they would be perceived and
> lack
> > of awareness of how many Americans can't even
> > afford to go to water parks) and appearance
> (i.e.,
> > politics is about appearances and this looks
> bad).
> > I just don't know how anyone can defend the
> Obamas
> > on these two points. The trip was stupid and
> > showed tone deafness. It's hard for Obama to
> talk
> > about sacrifice when his wife is spending up to
> > $2500 a night at hotels. It looks bad and that
> > undermines his effectiveness.
>
> That's because you're a petty, sheep-fucking
> asshole. "Boo hoo hoo, people richer than me are
> living better than I am." Grow up.

Cornered? Need a hanky? Get a grip. I actually do pretty well for myself. I guarantee I make more $$ than you do. I certainly don't hold it against any private citizen who lives well and makes a ton of $. I do hold it against the symbolic leader of our country. You should too, but you're probably 18 years old, never experienved tough times and don't know shit.

I find it interesting that you--now that I've totally taken your intellectul lunch money ($0.25?)--are in full ad hominem mode, totally making light of the plight of a lot of Americans. Really scuzzy.

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Cornered? Need a hanky? Get a grip. I actually do
> pretty well for myself. I guarantee I make more $$
> than you do. I certainly don't hold it against any
> private citizen who lives well and makes a ton of
> $. I do hold it against the symbolic leader of our
> country. You should too, but you're probably 18
> years old, never experienved tough times and don't
> know shit.
>
> I find it interesting that you--now that I've
> totally taken your intellectul lunch money
> ($0.25?)--are in full ad hominem mode, totally
> making light of the plight of a lot of Americans.
> Really scuzzy.

Wow.

Do you remember when I wrote this:

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please, for God sake, answer my question--how is
> > this defensible politically or financially?
>
> Because she is married to the President of the
> United States of America, and because she's still
> a person. Not a single person crying about this
> would pass up the same opportunity if it was
> handed to them. Y'all just hatin'.
>
> > How can we criticize Wall St. for its excesses
> > and ask the American people to sacrifice when the FL is on
> > a $300K vacation in Spain and staying at the best
> > hotel in the country. It just shows what
> > hyprocrites so many limousine liberals are.
> > Evyerone needs to sacrifice, except them. What
> > a joke.
>
> Because nobody elected the Wall Street executives
> that fucked around with peoples' money. I know
> it's tempting to view this as a case of the Haves
> vs the Have Nots, but let's keep a little
> perspective, here. The government wasn't
> short-selling stocks, selling bad investiments,
> and committing fraud. If the banking system was
> nationalized, then you could argue that the
> president needs to demonstrate modesty and
> financial frugality.
>
> Also, these are the privileges we bestow upon the
> president and their family by electing them to
> this office. Bush, Clinton, Obama, whoever, it
> doesn't matter; they all get to do this because
> they're the fuckin' President. When you get
> elected, you'll have the same benefits and
> privileges that the station bestows upon Barack
> "Hussein" Obama.
>
> You're not going to be elected, though, because
> you don't have the ambition or capability that he
> does. This is why you're mad that his wife can go
> on an awesome vacation in Spain, while you slave
> away at your job for two nickles to rub together
> for a weekend trip to "the OBX." Sour grapes,
> buddy. You may as well be pissed off that the
> President has an executive chef and an executive
> pastry chef. "That's a complete waste of tax
> payer dollars. In this economy, he should be
> ordering from the McDonalds dollar menu like the
> rest of us. And really, why can't the main chef
> just make pastries, too? Why do you need two
> chefs, OBAMA?!"
>
> Finally, let me tell you about something called
> "budgets." "Budgets" are amounts of money set
> aside for different things in the government.
> These are set aside and established every year.
> These precious tax payer dollars you're freaking
> out about were already set aside for Air Force 2's
> fuel long before Michelle ever got on the plane.
> The Secret Service agents are going to be paid
> whether they're protecting her state-side or
> overseas. If she's paying for personal expenses
> out of pocket, what's the big deal?
>
> It's always funny to me to hear people bitch about
> this sort of thing as being a serious waste of
> government money. All it does is show how
> painfully oblivious you are to what's really
> going. This trip is chump change for the
> government, especially compared to the money
> wasted everywhere else.

And you responded with this:

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Thank you for displaying that you're a complete
> imbecile who has trouble putting a coherent
> thought together. Nowhere in your moronic diatribe
> did you address a single one of my salient points.
> Please don't try to have a conversation with me
> again. I value my time.

I hope your pecker's longer than your memory.

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> I hope your pecker's longer than your memory.

Jesus, what do you do for a living? Are you married? The rambling nonsensical posts are bad, but who's retarded enough to write comebacks like this? I can't believe anyone who has comebacks like this is married or has friends. Unless the woman is over 400 lbs. At 400 lbs., a woman should be able to put up with lame jokes, stupid comebacks, poor reasoning ability. More likely, it's a sheep. No human under 400 lbs. could take this kind of vomit.

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Jesus, what do you do for a living? Are you
> married? The rambling nonsensical posts are bad,
> but who's retarded enough to write comebacks like
> this? I can't believe anyone who has comebacks
> like this is married or has friends. Unless the
> woman is over 400 lbs. At 400 lbs., a woman should
> be able to put up with lame jokes, stupid
> comebacks, poor reasoning ability. More likely,
> it's a sheep. No human under 400 lbs. could take
> this kind of vomit.

So, you still haven't responded to anything I've written in a constructive manner, you've implied that I fuck sheep, you've mentioned how much money you make to give some sort of validity to your statements, and now that I've illustrated your blatant hypocrisy, you go the completely original "you're a loser that fucks fat chicks" route.

Classy.

Since you're obviously a master of politics and an intellectual juggernaut, maybe you can explain it for the little people:

1. Obama has a pastry chef on-staff. A pastry chef that is paid with taxpayer dollars. In these tough economic times, shouldn't he fire the pastry chef, since many low-income Americans can't afford their own pastry chefs?

2. Obama once went to a hamburger joint called "Ray's Hell Burger." He paid for his burger with taxpayer dollars. In these tough economic times, shouldn't he be eating from the dollar menu at McDonalds, since many low-income Americans (and lolcats) are struggling to afford their own cheeseburgers?

3. Obama went down to the Gulf Coast and surveyed the oil damage in the presidential helicopter. Fuel, maintenance, and security was paid for with taxpayer dollars. In these tough economic times, shouldn't he have paid out of pocket to hire a local helicopter pilot to fly him around, since so many Americans are currently struggling with their own helicopter-related expenses?

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Come on Meph, I think you can agree with us she's an Allah crazed Maoist and leave it at that.


MrMephisto Wrote:
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> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jesus, what do you do for a living? Are you
> > married? The rambling nonsensical posts are
> bad,
> > but who's retarded enough to write comebacks
> like
> > this? I can't believe anyone who has comebacks
> > like this is married or has friends. Unless the
> > woman is over 400 lbs. At 400 lbs., a woman
> should
> > be able to put up with lame jokes, stupid
> > comebacks, poor reasoning ability. More likely,
> > it's a sheep. No human under 400 lbs. could
> take
> > this kind of vomit.
>
> So, you still haven't responded to anything I've
> written in a constructive manner, you've implied
> that I fuck sheep, you've mentioned how much money
> you make to give some sort of validity to your
> statements, and now that I've illustrated your
> blatant hypocrisy, you go the completely original
> "you're a loser that fucks fat chicks" route.
>
> Classy.
>
> Since you're obviously a master of politics and an
> intellectual juggernaut, maybe you can explain it
> for the little people:
>
> 1. Obama has a pastry chef on-staff. A pastry
> chef that is paid with taxpayer dollars. In these
> tough economic times, shouldn't he fire the pastry
> chef, since many low-income Americans can't afford
> their own pastry chefs?
>
> 2. Obama once went to a hamburger joint called
> "Ray's Hell Burger." He paid for his burger with
> taxpayer dollars. In these tough economic times,
> shouldn't he be eating from the dollar menu at
> McDonalds, since many low-income Americans (and
> lolcats) are struggling to afford their own
> cheeseburgers?
>
> 3. Obama went down to the Gulf Coast and surveyed
> the oil damage in the presidential helicopter.
> Fuel, maintenance, and security was paid for with
> taxpayer dollars. In these tough economic times,
> shouldn't he have paid out of pocket to hire a
> local helicopter pilot to fly him around, since so
> many Americans are currently struggling with their
> own helicopter-related expenses?

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>
> Since you're obviously a master of politics and an
> intellectual juggernaut, maybe you can explain it
> for the little people:
>
> 1. Obama has a pastry chef on-staff. A pastry
> chef that is paid with taxpayer dollars. In these
> tough economic times, shouldn't he fire the pastry
> chef, since many low-income Americans can't afford
> their own pastry chefs?

Four points. Part of being president is entertaining dignataries, important folks, guests, whatever. Diplomacy is part of the job. People understand that the WH needs a chef on staff, even a pastry chef. Contrast sending the FL to Spain for a jaunt, a voluntary vacation for pleasure. Second, how many past presidents have had pastry chefs? I imagine quite a few. We could say that such an employee would be a necessity, given the requirements of office. Contrast the FL jaunt to Europe. Third, how much does this chef make? Less than $375 a year? Contrast the FL trip to Spain. Finally, is the pastry chef an American? Is that where tax dollars are going, gainful employment an American? Seems OK to me. Contrast the FL spending $$ like a rock star abroad.

> 2. Obama once went to a hamburger joint called
> "Ray's Hell Burger." He paid for his burger with
> taxpayer dollars. In these tough economic times,
> shouldn't he be eating from the dollar menu at
> McDonalds, since many low-income Americans (and
> lolcats) are struggling to afford their own
> cheeseburgers?

Was his burger less than $375K? I've been to Ray's, and it's expensive, but I still have a mortgage, so it couldn't have been that expensive. Also, what are you talking about tax dollars paid for that? I imagine he paid with his pocket cash, his income. Contrast Michele's trip to Europe. She didn't pay for the flight or the security detail or anything of the sort. The cost was voluntarily incurred for a pleasure trip. You do know the difference between tax dollars paying for something and someone's salary paying for something, even if the salary may have been paid out of tax dollars, right? See below regarding perks and operating expense.

>
> 3. Obama went down to the Gulf Coast and surveyed
> the oil damage in the presidential helicopter.
> Fuel, maintenance, and security was paid for with
> taxpayer dollars. In these tough economic times,
> shouldn't he have paid out of pocket to hire a
> local helicopter pilot to fly him around, since so
> many Americans are currently struggling with their
> own helicopter-related expenses?

You know the difference between a vacation (something voluntary and for pleasure) and a job (a commitment for which you receive a pay check), correct? Just wondering, because there's a difference when the president is doing something when his job calls for it and when he's doing it simply for pleasure. In business, they would call one an operating expense and the other a perk, which is often treated as income. It's pretty rudimentary.

Hey, it's been fun. But really, I don't want to debate this anymore. You're a smart(ish) kid, but you need some experience in the real world. If you ever consider something like law school or philosophy, I think you'll see some common errors in logic you made throughout your posts. But hey, it's all in fun. Also, watch out for those blond sheep. They're man eaters.

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Blah blah blah

Surely you understand that she MUST have a security detail with her, and cannot fly coach with the rest of us bums. So you can't be mad about that.

You said earlier you don't care how people spend their own personal money, which she did. So you can't be mad about that, either.

The close friend she took with her was promised a trip to Spain by a dead relative. Should Michele have told her, "I'd love to go, but boom boom Mancini will have a shit fit if we go to Europe?"

So, it sounds like the main reason you're upset is because she didn't vacation in America. Cry me a fuckin' river. Like I said, I guarantee that if you ever get elected president, you'll feel differently about it. But, since you'll never be president, that's why you're all butt-hurt about her trip.

I like how you keep trying to end the conversation with every response, but can't stop yourself from responding when I tear you to shreds. Seriously, you have to be a dumb son-of-a-bitch if you can't see the hypocrisy between these two statements:

1. "A trip to Europe is WRONG, and it sends the wrong message to millions of Americans who are living in poverty and have been asked to sacrifice."

2. "Having a pastry chef on-staff 24/7 to bake cookies for foreign dignitaries is a perfectly acceptable."

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1. NO pleasure trips PERIOD in a recession.
(especially when Obama keeps pitching how WE need to 'SACRIFICE'

2. Fire the GODDAMNED GAY FRENCH PASTRY CHEF!
Entenmann's makes excellent pasteries!

I think your average DC welfare recipient family would
do a better job maintaining their public image, and confidence
of the people, with less misappropriation of tax payer funds.


.

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"Why don't you LOSERS just pack your flower print DOUCHE BAGS
and get your stoopid @$$#$ THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNETZ!"

- 'philscamms' (the YT Watchdog) ; internet & YouTube® extraordinaire.

No one has 40 CLOSE friends. That's just plain stupid for anyone to believe.

That said, who the fuck cares what they do with their money? Does anyone think about their prominence before Barrack was appointed presidency? The total Obama household income back in 2006 was $983,826! You don't think they could afford this trip on their own?
Looking at their academic history alone, these people have worked their asses off.

As far as the "taxpayers" taking the brunt of the Obama's use of The Secret Service and Air Force 2, they have no choice but to fly Air Force 2, and acquire the Secret Service for protection because of Barrack's occupation.

Regarding the Obama's "make sacrifices" campaign, anyone who has enough of a brain would realize that what he means is not living beyond your means and racking up astronomical amounts of debt.

Sucks for some that your means cannot include a $2,500/night vacation.

Elle wrote:
>You don't think they could afford this trip on their own?

ALL THE MORE REASON TO BE OUTRAGED!

==================================================================================
"Why don't you LOSERS just pack your flower print DOUCHE BAGS
and get your stoopid @$$#$ THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNETZ!"

- 'philscamms' (the YT Watchdog) ; internet & YouTube® extraordinaire.

Lol! I think that sums it up, actually!

Obamas know that people will not be stupid enough to vote for Barack again, so they are getting their exotic vacations in now on while it is still paid for by American taxpayers. Taxpayers are largely out of Obama's circle of cronies.

One "r" in Barack. Not two.

Count the r's in "Who gives a fuck"

I traveled to the Middle East with Laura Bush in 2007 when she helped promote breast cancer awareness in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. We also visited troops in Kuwait, as well as a group of women who, recently granted the right to vote, had run for public office.

The security around that trip was spectacular. Entire roadways were shut down for her passage; snipers were everywhere. Our own plane was loaded with enough artillery and shooters to take over a small country. Our hotels were palaces by America's Holiday Inn standards. Because the media contingent was limited to three people -- Greta Van Susteren, Robin Roberts and yours truly -- we went everywhere the first lady went (at our own or our institution's expense).

Perhaps if the looming economic disaster had been recognized at that point, Mrs. Bush would have faced similar criticism. As it was, the media hardly took notice of the trip, despite the excursion's incalculable diplomatic value.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/10/AR2010081004224.html

Apples and oranges, brah.

Voter___ Wrote:
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> I traveled to the Middle East with Laura Bush in
> 2007 when she helped promote breast cancer
> awareness in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi
> Arabia and Jordan. We also visited troops in
> Kuwait, as well as a group of women who, recently
> granted the right to vote, had run for public
> office.
>
> The security around that trip was spectacular.
> Entire roadways were shut down for her passage;
> snipers were everywhere. Our own plane was loaded
> with enough artillery and shooters to take over a
> small country. Our hotels were palaces by
> America's Holiday Inn standards. Because the media
> contingent was limited to three people -- Greta
> Van Susteren, Robin Roberts and yours truly -- we
> went everywhere the first lady went (at our own or
> our institution's expense).
>
> Perhaps if the looming economic disaster had been
> recognized at that point, Mrs. Bush would have
> faced similar criticism. As it was, the media
> hardly took notice of the trip, despite the
> excursion's incalculable diplomatic value.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2010/08/10/AR2010081004224.html

"despite the
> excursion's incalculable diplomatic value." You din't highlight the most important part of paragraph. What was the diplomatic value of Ms. Obama's trip?

I didn't omit it either. I suspect--with good reason--that if Michelle Obama's trip had been official the righties would have been hollering that she wasn't elected, etc. etc. Laura Bush took plenty of other trips that weren't official and I don't remember anybody getting worked up about those either.

The Angry Squirrel Wrote:
> > excursion's incalculable diplomatic value." You
> din't highlight the most important part of
> paragraph. What was the diplomatic value of Ms.
> Obama's trip?

Voter___ Wrote:
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> I didn't omit it either. I suspect--with good
> reason--that if Michelle Obama's trip had been
> official the righties would have been hollering
> that she wasn't elected, etc. etc. Laura Bush
> took plenty of other trips that weren't official
> and I don't remember anybody getting worked up
> about those either.
>
> The Angry Squirrel Wrote:
> > > excursion's incalculable diplomatic value."
> You
> > din't highlight the most important part of
> > paragraph. What was the diplomatic value of Ms.
> > Obama's trip?

I didn't say you omitted it. I said you didn't highlight it. You clearly posted that Parker article (which was pretty critical of the trip itself) as a defense of Michele's trip. In citing that article, you have to cite the fact that Parker actually made distinctions between her experience and the current vacation. With respect to your other comments, don't change the subject. No one is defending Laura Bush. The media are correct in being critical of Michele because this is not similar to other vacations or excursions by other first families. This is different in terms of the situation the U.S. is in and the optics. May I remind you that Nancy Reagan was criticized for upgrading the White House china in the middle of the recession of the early 1980's. The china was paid for by a private donor, yet it was considered unseemly. If that was unseemly, Ms. Obama's trip was deeply disturbing.

You "suspect with good reason"? Presumption and conjecture sounds like.

Kathleen Parker is a fool to make a comparison between a pleasure trip and a state sanctioned goodwill effort to fight cancer. Anyone in your family ever had cancer? I can't speak for the effectiveness or the spending involved in the Laura Bush trip, but it sounds like a far nobler venture than some extravagent jaunt for a some rich ladies.

Make the compare, please, because Miss Parker sure couldn't differentiate. And just because someone takes the time to write something doesn't mean it has any merit.



Voter___ Wrote:
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> I didn't omit it either. I suspect--with good
> reason--that if Michelle Obama's trip had been
> official the righties would have been hollering
> that she wasn't elected, etc. etc. Laura Bush
> took plenty of other trips that weren't official
> and I don't remember anybody getting worked up
> about those either.
>
> The Angry Squirrel Wrote:
> > > excursion's incalculable diplomatic value."
> You
> > din't highlight the most important part of
> > paragraph. What was the diplomatic value of Ms.
> > Obama's trip?

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One thing about liberal elitist..They hang themselves with their own rope of piety.

Haters hate--what can you do? I do love that word "elitist"--when all else fails the righties just throw that one at you. These guys like Hannity and Limbaugh riding around in their private jets and Cadillac Escalades calling liberals "elitists".

Voter___ Wrote:
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> Haters hate--what can you do? I do love that word
> "elitist"--when all else fails the righties just
> throw that one at you. These guys like Hannity
> and Limbaugh riding around in their private jets
> and Cadillac Escalades calling liberals
> "elitists".


I love it when someone can't address the merits of an argument so they change the subject. Both Democrats and Republicans do it, but in this case, I see a lot of Democrats name calling without addressing whether the FL's trip was politically astute.

Voter___ Wrote:
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> Haters hate--what can you do? I do love that word
> "elitist"--when all else fails the righties just
> throw that one at you. These guys like Hannity
> and Limbaugh riding around in their private jets
> and Cadillac Escalades calling liberals
> "elitists".


This is why you're a fucking moron Voter. Driving an Escalade or owning a plane doesn't make you an elitist.

Fucking Shit like this makes you an elitist.

Michelle Obama Feb. 2008;Zanesville, Ohio, where she met with a group of women at a local day care center.

She is a former attorney with the Chicago firm of Sidley & Austin,

Obama explains that she and her husband made the choice to give up lucrative
jobs in favor of community service.

“We left corporate America, which is a lot
of what we’re asking young people to do,†she tells the women. “Don’t go into
corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social
workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we’re encouraging
our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out
of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries
respond.â€

Mrs. Obama also bemoaned the amount of money she has to spend — nearly one-third of the median household income in Zanesville — on piano, dance, and other lessons for her two children. But she was grateful for the concern her husband's supporters have shown for her. "Everywhere I go, no matter what, the women in the audience, their first question for me is, 'How on earth are you managing it, how are you keeping it all together?'" she told the women.

Oh poor fucking Michelle! Are you crying yet Voter??? Fuck You! Read on!

What she doesn’t mention is that the
helping industry has treated her pretty well. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune
reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital,
where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in
2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005,
just after he took office. And that does not count the money Mrs. Obama receives
from serving on corporate boards.

Preaching down to the relatively poor about forgoing lucrative careers then doing what she did last week (and her entire life for that matter) is not only typical "elitism" but it proved that elitist's hypocrisy knows no bounds.Like I've said a thousand fucking times but you don't listen, I don't give A RATS FUCKING ASS what she does, where she goes,what she eats, who she fucks or anything else for that matter. Trying to sell herself off as some sort of a benevolent, humble and caring civil servant is a crock of shit. She's living and preaching a lie and knows it. But she also knows for a fact, there will be more then enough dumb fucks out there just like you who will eat her shit up.

That is what makes her and her husband "elitists"Jack. Not the planes or cars they drive. However that must have been one fucking big carbon footprint she left in Spain last week. I think I remember something about Liberal Elitist's railing against that in the past. Don't you Voter?

Limbaugh and Hannity certainly don't go around preaching to "the great unwashed", as Michelle looks at all of us, that we shouldn't pursue wealth creation. You are a fucking moron!

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> ... I see a lot of Democrats name calling without
> addressing whether the FL's trip was politically
> astute.

1. I'm pretty sure you were the one that started implying that people who disagreed with you have sexual relations with sheep.

2. You are contending that the FL's trip was not politically sound, and your reasoning is, "she should have been in America because we're in a recession."

3. Again, she can't just fly coach and stay wherever she wants without a security detail because she's the fucking First Lady. Nobody would have given half a shit until Fox "News" and the assholes on the political right started spewing bullshit about her treating 40 friends to a taxpayer-fueled romp through Spain (which we now know is NOT the case).

4. If you're a rich motherfucker like the Obamas, you can take vacations to Europe. If you're one of the millions who can't afford your mortgage because you have to have a cell phone, an SUV, and spend beyond your means, then yes, you need to make sacrifices in your life. Let me know when the banks try to foreclose on the White House because of their extravagant spending.

5. You still fuck sheep.

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Paul Begala put it best. The problem is 10 percent unemployment. Anything else the White House or Congress does is pretty irrelevant. Michelle Obama not going to Spain would have done nothing for Obama's numbers.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Paul Begala put it best. The problem is 10 percent
> unemployment. Anything else the White House or
> Congress does is pretty irrelevant. Michelle Obama
> not going to Spain would have done nothing for
> Obama's numbers.

The president and his family are going to face constant criticism every day for everything they do. It's just amazing what some people will focus on.

This story is just a convenient way for people to validate their preconceived notions. It's not "Michele took a trip to Spain, so she must be elitist." It's "The Obamas are elitist, and this trip to Spain proves it."

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WingNut Wrote:
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> While us little people are asked to "sacrifice",
> Michelle Obama and 40 of her friends are living
> large on the coast of Spain in rooms that cost
> $2500 a day. Secret service is there in numbers on
> our dime and Air Force 2 burned the fuel to get
> them there.

Blessed are the murderous.
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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Paul Begala put it best. The problem is 10
> percent
> > unemployment. Anything else the White House or
> > Congress does is pretty irrelevant. Michelle
> Obama
> > not going to Spain would have done nothing for
> > Obama's numbers.
>
> The president and his family are going to face
> constant criticism every day for everything they
> do. It's just amazing what some people will focus
> on.
>
> This story is just a convenient way for people to
> validate their preconceived notions. It's not
> "Michele took a trip to Spain, so she must be
> elitist." It's "The Obamas are elitist, and this
> trip to Spain proves it."


Again I hope they keep going on vacations and even kick it up a notch. I really don't care.

It is just the fact that the fucking idiots (Obama & Co.) railed at the Car manufacturers CEO's when they flew company jets to appear before the Kangaroo Court in Congress. And the last time I checked The Federal Government isn't doing much better than GM was when they took it over and gave it to the United Auto Workers Union.

Trying to defend the indefensible is futile. She eats $100 per pound Kobe Beef, I don't care. She is a well known clothes horse, I don't care. Rumor has it she treats her help pretty nastily at times, I don't care. I just don't care.

That is who she is though, which is fine. Trying to make her into anything else just makes one look stupid in the process. Really man crying to ladies that make around 30 K a year about how tough it's been to pay for her daughters dance and piano classes?? Telling them to pursue careers that are civil service centered thereby foregoing a more lucrative career that would score them a larger salary? And then to stand there and tell them thats exactly what she and Barack have done? when she was pulling down well over 300 K per year from her children's hospital job alone? A job that was created just for her where she wasn't required to even show up and wasn't refilled after her departure? What kind of a person would take that kind of money from a children's hospital of all places when she was making plenty of other money from serving on several other corporate boards thanks to her husbands political position? I'll tell you. A greedy, money grubbing, hypocritical, liberal elitist like Michelle Obama would. I don't have preconceived notions. Her reputation around Chicago is legendary and her track record is well documented. She is who she is and nothing more.

mcsmack, you are one angry individual. Hope life gets better for you.


mcsmack Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Paul Begala put it best. The problem is 10
> > percent
> > > unemployment. Anything else the White House
> or
> > > Congress does is pretty irrelevant. Michelle
> > Obama
> > > not going to Spain would have done nothing
> for
> > > Obama's numbers.
> >
> > The president and his family are going to face
> > constant criticism every day for everything
> they
> > do. It's just amazing what some people will
> focus
> > on.
> >
> > This story is just a convenient way for people
> to
> > validate their preconceived notions. It's not
> > "Michele took a trip to Spain, so she must be
> > elitist." It's "The Obamas are elitist, and
> this
> > trip to Spain proves it."
>
>
> Again I hope they keep going on vacations and even
> kick it up a notch. I really don't care.
>
> It is just the fact that the fucking idiots
> (Obama & Co.) railed at the Car manufacturers
> CEO's when they flew company jets to appear before
> the Kangaroo Court in Congress. And the last time
> I checked The Federal Government isn't doing much
> better than GM was when they took it over and gave
> it to the United Auto Workers Union.
>
> Trying to defend the indefensible is futile. She
> eats $100 per pound Kobe Beef, I don't care. She
> is a well known clothes horse, I don't care. Rumor
> has it she treats her help pretty nastily at
> times, I don't care. I just don't care.
>
> That is who she is though, which is fine. Trying
> to make her into anything else just makes one look
> stupid in the process. Really man crying to ladies
> that make around 30 K a year about how tough it's
> been to pay for her daughters dance and piano
> classes?? Telling them to pursue careers that are
> civil service centered thereby foregoing a more
> lucrative career that would score them a larger
> salary? And then to stand there and tell them
> thats exactly what she and Barack have done? when
> she was pulling down well over 300 K per year from
> her children's hospital job alone? A job that was
> created just for her where she wasn't required to
> even show up and wasn't refilled after her
> departure? What kind of a person would take that
> kind of money from a children's hospital of all
> places when she was making plenty of other money
> from serving on several other corporate boards
> thanks to her husbands political position? I'll
> tell you. A greedy, money grubbing, hypocritical,
> liberal elitist like Michelle Obama would. I don't
> have preconceived notions. Her reputation around
> Chicago is legendary and her track record is well
> documented. She is who she is and nothing more.

Voter___ Wrote:
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> mcsmack, you are one angry individual. Hope life
> gets better for you.
>
>
Thank you for proving my point about not being able to address the merits of anything anyone is saying and simply falling back on your anti-intllectual namecalling.

mcsmack is correct about Michelle Obama.

Only a sycophantic moron would be happy with Obama.

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Voter___ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > mcsmack, you are one angry individual. Hope
> life
> > gets better for you.
> >
> >
> Thank you for proving my point about not being
> able to address the merits of anything anyone is
> saying and simply falling back on your
> anti-intllectual namecalling.

Blessed are the murderous.
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eesh Wrote:
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You too Granny?!? It must run in our family.

Yes, you are right. People like you and mcsmack would never resort to such tactics. And where would I ever get the idea that mcsmack was angry?

Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 02:11PM


"A DERKA DURR, THEY TOOK OUR JERBS." I have no idea what this means. Is this some sort of sheep talk? Something you might whisper into the ear of the hoofed, wooley-coated paramour? This does seem to be in line with the general muddled nature of your posts. Perhaps you can explain? Actually, please don't. Let's just leave well enough alone. You've proven yourseld to be a poorly reasoned sheep lover. I, apparently, don't like to listen to your "rational thinking." We're even.


Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: August 12, 2010 10:44AM


This is why you're a fucking moron Voter. Driving an Escalade or owning a plane doesn't make you an elitist.

...

Oh poor fucking Michelle! Are you crying yet Voter??? Fuck You! Read on!

...

Limbaugh and Hannity certainly don't go around preaching to "the great unwashed", as Michelle looks at all of us, that we shouldn't pursue wealth creation. You are a fucking moron!


Re: Obama's Electric Car Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: July 28, 2010 06:56PM


I would jump on it if I were you. It will also make you feel better knowing that you're bailing out the poor old auto workers pension fund at the same time! Come on Voter put your goddamn money where your stupid fucking cock gobbler is!.... I'm sure you'll make lots of money and it will turn out a lot better this time.

Yours in Christ, McSmack


Re: Judge overturns Calif. gay marriage ban Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: August 05, 2010 07:06PM

How does it feel to be proven a dumb fuck every time you open your stupid fucking pie hole Voter?


Re: Judge overturns Calif. gay marriage ban Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: August 05, 2010 07:39PM


You are too stupid to correspond with.


boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Voter___ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > mcsmack, you are one angry individual. Hope
> life
> > gets better for you.
> >
> >
> Thank you for proving my point about not being
> able to address the merits of anything anyone is
> saying and simply falling back on your
> anti-intllectual namecalling.

Voter, you could talk about what's being said but you desperately tread backwards looking for "offsetting penalties". Oh yeah, Hannity and Limbaugh fly Lear jets and live nice, but they aren't doing it on the taxpayer dime and they are preaching a different kind of sel-righteousness than the Obamas.

You create a bullshit straw man when you use Hannity and Limbaugh for your comparison, as if everyone who like myself who dislikes big government policies and spending gets all their marching orders from some radio hucksters.

All I'm trying to say is the country is going through some tough straits and while I have immense respect for the Presidency and the First Lady, we should see a little more tact and restraint from her ugly twat.






Voter___ Wrote:
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> Yes, you are right. People like you and mcsmack
> would never resort to such tactics. And where
> would I ever get the idea that mcsmack was angry?
>
> Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama Posted
> by: boom boom Mancini ()
> Date: August 09, 2010 02:11PM
>
>
> "A DERKA DURR, THEY TOOK OUR JERBS." I have no
> idea what this means. Is this some sort of sheep
> talk? Something you might whisper into the ear of
> the hoofed, wooley-coated paramour? This does seem
> to be in line with the general muddled nature of
> your posts. Perhaps you can explain? Actually,
> please don't. Let's just leave well enough alone.
> You've proven yourseld to be a poorly reasoned
> sheep lover. I, apparently, don't like to listen
> to your "rational thinking." We're even.
>
>
> Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama Posted
> by: mcsmack ()
> Date: August 12, 2010 10:44AM
>
>
> This is why you're a fucking moron Voter. Driving
> an Escalade or owning a plane doesn't make you an
> elitist.
>
> ...
>
> Oh poor fucking Michelle! Are you crying yet
> Voter??? Fuck You! Read on!
>
> ...
>
> Limbaugh and Hannity certainly don't go around
> preaching to "the great unwashed", as Michelle
> looks at all of us, that we shouldn't pursue
> wealth creation. You are a fucking moron!
>
>
> Re: Obama's Electric Car Posted by: mcsmack ()
> Date: July 28, 2010 06:56PM
>
>
> I would jump on it if I were you. It will also
> make you feel better knowing that you're bailing
> out the poor old auto workers pension fund at the
> same time! Come on Voter put your goddamn money
> where your stupid fucking cock gobbler is!.... I'm
> sure you'll make lots of money and it will turn
> out a lot better this time.
>
> Yours in Christ, McSmack
>
>
> Re: Judge overturns Calif. gay marriage ban Posted
> by: mcsmack ()
> Date: August 05, 2010 07:06PM
>
> How does it feel to be proven a dumb fuck every
> time you open your stupid fucking pie hole Voter?
>
>
>
> Re: Judge overturns Calif. gay marriage ban Posted
> by: mcsmack ()
> Date: August 05, 2010 07:39PM
>
>
> You are too stupid to correspond with.
>
>
> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Voter___ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > mcsmack, you are one angry individual. Hope
> > life
> > > gets better for you.
> > >
> > >
> > Thank you for proving my point about not being
> > able to address the merits of anything anyone
> is
> > saying and simply falling back on your
> > anti-intllectual namecalling.

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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WingNut Wrote:
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> Voter, you could talk about what's being said but
> you desperately tread backwards looking for
> "offsetting penalties". Oh yeah, Hannity and
> Limbaugh fly Lear jets and live nice, but they
> aren't doing it on the taxpayer dime and they are
> preaching a different kind of sel-righteousness
> than the Obamas.
>
> You create a bullshit straw man when you use
> Hannity and Limbaugh for your comparison, as if
> everyone who like myself who dislikes big
> government policies and spending gets all their
> marching orders from some radio hucksters.
>
> All I'm trying to say is the country is going
> through some tough straits and while I have
> immense respect for the Presidency and the First
> Lady, we should see a little more tact and
> restraint from her ugly twat.

So the solution is that she never leaves the country unless it's on official business, and even then, that business needs to be cheap?

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eesh Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > While us little people are asked to
> "sacrifice",
> > Michelle Obama and 40 of her friends are living
> > large on the coast of Spain in rooms that cost
> > $2500 a day. Secret service is there in numbers
> on
> > our dime and Air Force 2 burned the fuel to get
> > them there.
> > http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=22007,filename=343g3di.jpg



.
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Yes, I could talk about what's being said but there wouldn't be any point to it. As I said, haters hate--that's what they do. The truth is that no matter what the President or First Lady do, people like mcsmack and Troll are going to be "offended" by it. If they don't go to the Gulf Coast they criticize them for not spending money there and setting an example, if they do go they call it cheap political symbolism. They can't make people like you happy so they shouldn't bother trying. They should follow the precedents about travel set by previous admnistrations and ignore the bullshit.


WingNut Wrote:
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> Voter, you could talk about what's being said but
> you desperately tread backwards looking for
> "offsetting penalties".

Come on my brother, you're using an absolute to make a point, but it doesn't.

The fact is, there are people like me who remember the kind of noble, self-sacrificing pablum both of the Obamas said on the campaign trail. If they stuck with it and walked the walk, this thread wouldn't exist. I actually truly respect selfless and non-materialistic politicians like Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader, though not their politics. Left is not my direction at all , but if we saw something radically different from the Obamas as far as enjoying the personal perks of power, they'd earn my respect.

Going overseas for vacation is a personal choice,but it tells me something about the person. I know liberals who lament loudly the state of the domestic economy, but choose Europe as a travel destination. Likewise they have Obama stickers on their Camrys but praise the bailout of GM and Chrysler, even while their consumer choices kept them away from the crappy overpriced, union-made American cars they wanted our tax money to save.

I can name about 50 first class destinations right here in the good old that the First Lady could have spent money in. There are awesome resorts in AZ,FL,CA,CO etc etc. Jesus Christ, if she would have picked some "pedestrian" spot like Vegas or Branson,MO, people in the hospitality industry would have had orgasms.


Put the bitch on the no-fly list and let her take her friends on one of those Chinese buses to Atlantic City next go around. I'm done with her.




MrMephisto Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Voter, you could talk about what's being said
> but
> > you desperately tread backwards looking for
> > "offsetting penalties". Oh yeah, Hannity and
> > Limbaugh fly Lear jets and live nice, but they
> > aren't doing it on the taxpayer dime and they
> are
> > preaching a different kind of sel-righteousness
> > than the Obamas.
> >
> > You create a bullshit straw man when you use
> > Hannity and Limbaugh for your comparison, as if
> > everyone who like myself who dislikes big
> > government policies and spending gets all their
> > marching orders from some radio hucksters.
> >
> > All I'm trying to say is the country is going
> > through some tough straits and while I have
> > immense respect for the Presidency and the
> First
> > Lady, we should see a little more tact and
> > restraint from her ugly twat.
>
> So the solution is that she never leaves the
> country unless it's on official business, and even
> then, that business needs to be cheap?

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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You are speculating on McSmack and Troll and what they will say. Maybe they've said it, I haven't heard, have you?

Or do you have this magic ability to look inside their minds?



Voter___ Wrote:
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> Yes, I could talk about what's being said but
> there wouldn't be any point to it. As I said,
> haters hate--that's what they do. The truth is
> that no matter what the President or First Lady
> do, people like mcsmack and Troll are going to be
> "offended" by it. If they don't go to the Gulf
> Coast they criticize them for not spending money
> there and setting an example, if they do go they
> call it cheap political symbolism. They can't
> make people like you happy so they shouldn't
> bother trying. They should follow the precedents
> about travel set by previous admnistrations and
> ignore the bullshit.
>
>
> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Voter, you could talk about what's being said
> but
> > you desperately tread backwards looking for
> > "offsetting penalties".

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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Yeah, well no one hated Bush right? Give it a rest Voter - your whining about 'haters' is just redirection from the fact that you have nothing to offer in defense of the Obama's total disregard for anything American, other than what they can give to their special interests to keep them fat, dumb and happy.

As WingNut pointed out, Mr 'Hope and Change' is nothing of the sort. He is actually worse in many ways than the 'typical' politician since he really has no clue. When Bush Sr was in the Whitehouse, and he broke his no new taxes rule, there was a never ending stream of "read my lips..." commercials, and the press hounded him over it. Obama has broken just about every pledge on not adding ANY new taxes - ANY - for those making under $250K. He has NOT led the most ethical and transparent administration EVER. He did not keep the lobbyists 'outside the door'. He has not closed Guantanamo Bay, and he still uses rendition when it is useful to him. All the things he railed about when he ran for office - and here he is doing the very same things. Other than having the Democratically controlled Congress pass some shit-for-brains legislation - there is little that Obama has said he would do, that he has actually DONE. No hate - just the facts. You don't want to deal with those facts... too bad.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

It really doesn't take a lot of magic to understand those "minds".


WingNut Wrote:
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> You are speculating on McSmack and Troll and what
> they will say. Maybe they've said it, I haven't
> heard, have you?
>
> Or do you have this magic ability to look inside
> their minds?
>

Voter___ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yes, you are right. People like you and mcsmack
> would never resort to such tactics. And where
> would I ever get the idea that mcsmack was angry?
>
>
>
> Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama Posted
> by: mcsmack ()
> Date: August 12, 2010 10:44AM
>
>
> This is why you're a fucking moron Voter. Driving
> an Escalade or owning a plane doesn't make you an
> elitist.
>
> ...
>
> Oh poor fucking Michelle! Are you crying yet
> Voter??? Fuck You! Read on!
>
> ...
>
> Limbaugh and Hannity certainly don't go around
> preaching to "the great unwashed", as Michelle
> looks at all of us, that we shouldn't pursue
> wealth creation. You are a fucking moron!
>
>
> Re: Obama's Electric Car Posted by: mcsmack ()
> Date: July 28, 2010 06:56PM
>
>
> I would jump on it if I were you. It will also
> make you feel better knowing that you're bailing
> out the poor old auto workers pension fund at the
> same time! Come on Voter put your goddamn money
> where your stupid fucking cock gobbler is!.... I'm
> sure you'll make lots of money and it will turn
> out a lot better this time.
>
> Yours in Christ, McSmack
>
>
> Re: Judge overturns Calif. gay marriage ban Posted
> by: mcsmack ()
> Date: August 05, 2010 07:06PM
>
> How does it feel to be proven a dumb fuck every
> time you open your stupid fucking pie hole Voter?
>
>
>
> Re: Judge overturns Calif. gay marriage ban Posted
> by: mcsmack ()
> Date: August 05, 2010 07:39PM
>
>
> You are too stupid to correspond with.
>
>
> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Voter___ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > mcsmack, you are one angry individual. Hope
> > life
> > > gets better for you.
> > >
> > >
> > Thank you for proving my point about not being
> > able to address the merits of anything anyone
> is
> > saying and simply falling back on your
> > anti-intllectual namecalling.

I'm not angry but thanks for highlighting my genius!



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WingNut Wrote:
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> Come on my brother, you're using an absolute to
> make a point, but it doesn't.

I don't identify as liberal or Democrat, so don't think I'm approaching this from any ideological perspective.

The president and his family take vacations and engage in leisure activities that are partially or totally funded by taxpayer dollars. That's just what happens. If this really had been the 40-Friends-Party-For-Free story that initially broke, I'd condemn it, too. She went on vacation with a close friend to Spain, and taxpayers funded some of it by virtue of who she is. It's not like she lied to her staff and absconded to a foreign country to have an affair with someone, completely fueled by public money.

> The fact is, there are people like me who remember
> the kind of noble, self-sacrificing pablum both of
> the Obamas said on the campaign trail. If they
> stuck with it and walked the walk, this thread
> wouldn't exist. I actually truly respect selfless
> and non-materialistic politicians like Dennis
> Kucinich and Ralph Nader, though not their
> politics. Left is not my direction at all , but if
> we saw something radically different from the
> Obamas as far as enjoying the personal perks of
> power, they'd earn my respect.

Again, I think the "sacrifice" Obama mentioned was more about "stop living beyond your means," which will help stop the flow of foreclosures and bad credit, and be better for the economy in general. When you're as rich as they already were before going into the White House, then a trip to Spain isn't beyond their means. It's not like the money she spent was going to go to poor families if she hadn't spent it.

> Going overseas for vacation is a personal
> choice,but it tells me something about the person.
> I know liberals who lament loudly the state of
> the domestic economy, but choose Europe as a
> travel destination. Likewise they have Obama
> stickers on their Camrys but praise the bailout of
> GM and Chrysler, even while their consumer choices
> kept them away from the crappy overpriced,
> union-made American cars they wanted our tax money
> to save.

Well, a hypocrite is a hypocrite, and all of the things you mentioned are why I don't identify as "liberal." But, I liken Obama saying, "We need to sacrifice" with Bush saying, "We need to stay the course." Obama's not slumming it like the poor people, and Bush isn't in the shit with the rest of our troops. Everyone knows this "we" stuff is bullshit.

> I can name about 50 first class destinations right
> here in the good old that the First Lady could
> have spent money in. There are awesome resorts in
> AZ,FL,CA,CO etc etc. Jesus Christ, if she would
> have picked some "pedestrian" spot like Vegas or
> Branson,MO, people in the hospitality industry
> would have had orgasms.

Yeah, but the grieving friend had a promise of a trip to Spain, not to Las Vegas.

And again, had they gone to Vegas, there would still be blowback from the right. Instead of "FL takes lavish vacation in Spain while people starve," it would have been "FL takes lavish vacation to Sin City for gambling while people starve." If she had gone to Chicago, it would have been, "FL vacations while people starve." It's all just propaganda.

> Put the bitch on the no-fly list and let her take
> her friends on one of those Chinese buses to
> Atlantic City next go around. I'm done with her.

I doubt the Secret Service would let her.

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You're right, it is mostly propaganda. But I think it would have been an excellent call to go elsewhere, just to show respect for the "little people". Florida is getting it's ass kicked as far as tourism goes, as well as much of the sunbelt. Spend it in the family before you spend it elsewhere.

You can guess on what the right would say, and they probably will and would, but it's no excuse for not doing the right thing. I'm kind of guessing Vince was a fan of Wikileaks but I haven't bothered doing a search on it.

I'm not one who wants to crack Obamas head over the stupid shit. He hasn't closed Gitmo (good) and he's basically continuing the BUsh policies on counter terrorism. Wish we didn't have to, but I think it's unfortunately the new reality. The Gulf could have used a little better PR, but really he couldn't do much but wait it out.

Job numbers are the problem, and while we are fortunate in this area, other places aren't doing so hot. And I don't think Obama has the business sense, the experience or the guts to correct this course.



MrMephisto Wrote:
And again, had they gone to Vegas, there would still be blowback from the right. Instead of "FL takes lavish vacation in Spain while people starve," it would have been "FL takes lavish vacation to Sin City for gambling while people starve." If she had gone to Chicago, it would have been, "FL vacations while people starve." It's all just propaganda.

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
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> > Voter, you could talk about what's being said
> but
> > you desperately tread backwards looking for
> > "offsetting penalties". Oh yeah, Hannity and
> > Limbaugh fly Lear jets and live nice, but they
> > aren't doing it on the taxpayer dime and they
> are
> > preaching a different kind of sel-righteousness
> > than the Obamas.
> >
> > You create a bullshit straw man when you use
> > Hannity and Limbaugh for your comparison, as if
> > everyone who like myself who dislikes big
> > government policies and spending gets all their
> > marching orders from some radio hucksters.
> >
> > All I'm trying to say is the country is going
> > through some tough straits and while I have
> > immense respect for the Presidency and the
> First
> > Lady, we should see a little more tact and
> > restraint from her ugly twat.
>
> So the solution is that she never leaves the
> country unless it's on official business, and even
> then, that business needs to be cheap?


No No NO! Dammit! Is the speed of comprehension down today or something?

The true solution would be for all "ruling class elitist" to live by the same constraints they want to and do put on us. This includes neo-cons like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Olympia Snow and so forth. It is genetically impossible for them to do this.

The ruling class Elitists by nature are hypocrites.They should be ashamed of their behavior but their not Thats why Michelle can tell a group of people or "subjects" how they should lead a self sacrificing and austere lifestyle then immediately thereafter jump on a plane and go shopping in London. Without even batting an eye.

Not only does it not bother her, she and liberal elitists just like her think it is owed them for many reasons not the least of which is the fact that she is so much smarter than us commoners.

Algore is even a better example with all his antics. And Jesus didn't he win the Nobel or something?

All this is really fine by me. It doesn't bother me. But just don't tell me these people are doing some great worldwide humanitarian work and wonder why I'm not going along with the crowd.Or their so wonderful because at least they care bullshit because they don't They are only in it for themselves. Their political philosophy is responsible for destroying the hopes and dreams of generations. Look at what happened in Atlanta Georgia this week. The reporter was right. It did look like a third world riot. What hope is there to be found in section 8 housing? Alas this is what "change looks like" quoting Barrack.

I'll tell you another thing. I think it's great we have an unashamed group of liberal, ruling class elitists running the show. It'a spectacle watching the electorate that supported him trying to justify how they got fooled.

mcsmack Wrote:
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> The ruling class Elitists by nature are
> hypocrites.

Uh, yeah. That's how they became ruling class Elitists.

It just strikes me as absurd that, as little as I actively follow politics, I can still tell when someone's bullshitting, or when they're being honest. The people who actively follow politics always seem surprised and disappointed when a politician doesn't deliver on his bullshit. They all do the same thing. That's how they got where they are. It's always why I am against the two-party system.

Let me break it down for you:

A Democrat candidate stands for all the thing Democrats stand for, and are against whatever Republicans are doing. Republican candidates stand for what Republicans stand for, and is against whatever the Democrats are doing. The third character in this drama is a beast called Reality.

Candidate Obama knew that, as President, he had a shot at government health care. He also knew there was no way he could close Gitmo, because Reality said he couldn't without some sort of magical world peace miracle. But, since Democrats stand for both, he had to say he was gonna do both. Otherwise, the Democrats wouldn't vote for him.

Why is health care a sincere pledge? Because it's a Democrat-controlled Congress, and a bunch of poor people are rooting for him. If Republicans don't go along with it, they look like insensitive assholes. Why is the Gitmo pledge bullshit? Because everyone is still scared shitless of terrorism. He closes Gitmo, there's any sort of terrorist attack, and the Democrats lose every election cycle for the next 10 years.

Which brings us to the topic of conversation: Every single President and his family have enjoyed the privilege of the office. Whether it's a rose garden, pastry chef, trip to Spain, hummer in the Oval Office, trips to the Crawford ranch... They all took their vacations and had their fun and golfed their golf and ranched their ranches. Thinking they're going to get in there and NOT live like the leader of the free world shit is just silly.

Besides, if they DIDN'T have these kind of "perks," there wouldn't really be much incentive to be president, would there.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> mcsmack Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The ruling class Elitists by nature are
> > hypocrites.
>
> Uh, yeah. That's how they became ruling class
> Elitists.
>
> It just strikes me as absurd that, as little as I
> actively follow politics, I can still tell when
> someone's bullshitting, or when they're being
> honest. The people who actively follow politics
> always seem surprised and disappointed when a
> politician doesn't deliver on his bullshit. They
> all do the same thing. That's how they got where
> they are. It's always why I am against the
> two-party system.
>
> Let me break it down for you:
>
> A Democrat candidate stands for all the thing
> Democrats stand for, and are against whatever
> Republicans are doing. Republican candidates
> stand for what Republicans stand for, and is
> against whatever the Democrats are doing. The
> third character in this drama is a beast called
> Reality.
>
> Candidate Obama knew that, as President, he had a
> shot at government health care. He also knew
> there was no way he could close Gitmo, because
> Reality said he couldn't without some sort of
> magical world peace miracle. But, since Democrats
> stand for both, he had to say he was gonna do
> both. Otherwise, the Democrats wouldn't vote for
> him.
>
> Why is health care a sincere pledge? Because it's
> a Democrat-controlled Congress, and a bunch of
> poor people are rooting for him. If Republicans
> don't go along with it, they look like insensitive
> assholes. Why is the Gitmo pledge bullshit?
> Because everyone is still scared shitless of
> terrorism. He closes Gitmo, there's any sort of
> terrorist attack, and the Democrats lose every
> election cycle for the next 10 years.
>
> Which brings us to the topic of conversation:
> Every single President and his family have enjoyed
> the privilege of the office. Whether it's a rose
> garden, pastry chef, trip to Spain, hummer in the
> Oval Office, trips to the Crawford ranch... They
> all took their vacations and had their fun and
> golfed their golf and ranched their ranches.
> Thinking they're going to get in there and NOT
> live like the leader of the free world shit is
> just silly.
>
> Besides, if they DIDN'T have these kind of
> "perks," there wouldn't really be much incentive
> to be president, would there.

There is nothing in your post I disagree with. It's right on, right on, right on. Nothing this administration has done shocks me in the least bit. Hell the Dude wrote in his book long ago "The Audacity of Hoping" or what ever the hell about taking over car companies and building green cars.

Wow was I shocked when he took over GM and wallah! now we have the Volt! A car in such high demand they'll actually pay you to buy one.....??

Anyhow like I said earlier I hope thy double down on their leisure spending like their getting ready to do with stimulus 2 or 3 or whatever number were at now.

Are you really so dense as to believe that the Volt is some consequence of Obama and the GM bailout? Do you know how long that car has been in development?


mcsmack Wrote:
>
> Wow was I shocked when he took over GM and wallah!
> now we have the Volt! A car in such high demand
> they'll actually pay you to buy one.....??
>
> Anyhow like I said earlier I hope thy double down
> on their leisure spending like their getting ready
> to do with stimulus 2 or 3 or whatever number were
> at now.

Well, wouldn't development have come to an abrupt HALT, if they filed for bankruptcy? And the company was liquidated?

Obama bailouts = Chevy Volt


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Voter___ Wrote:
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> Are you really so dense as to believe that the
> Volt is some consequence of Obama and the GM
> bailout? Do you know how long that car has been
> in development?


How did I know you were going to take that bait Voter? How the fuck do you think I new you'd bite? Why? Because I'm smarter than you thats why.

Now I no were off our original topic here but who cares were having fun.


http://www.hybridcars.com/incentives-laws/will-chevy-volt-survive-bankruptcy-25836.html
Will the Chevy Volt Survive Bankruptcy?

PUBLISHED JUNE 1, 2009


n the direct aftermath of General Motors filing for Chapter 11 this morning, the fate of the Chevy Volt remains unclear. The Volt, a plug-in hybrid that promises 40 miles of gas-free all-electric driving, is considered a Hail Mary pass for market relevance that the old GM never got a chance to throw. The ability to move forward on the Volt, to some degree, rests in the hands of the Obama Administration. The fate of the Volt also represents a potential conflict of interest for the federal government, which will need to balance its interest in leading GM toward financial viability with its political agenda to have US automakers produce the next generation of advanced fuel-efficient vehicles.

It's no secret that Obama wanted to push the volt out for sure after taking over GM. The Former CEO Rick Wagoner was no fan of the Volt and thats one of the reasons he found himself sitting in the White House with Obama and his posse glaring down on him. Just like that he was gone......my commentary

President Barack Obama gave little direct indication about the future of the Volt in his press conference this morning about GM’s bankruptcy. He did mention his administrations plans for a “green jobs training program†for US autoworkers and the federal government’s purchase of a fleet of cars (with an emphasis on high-mpg cars). Obama also mentioned pending legislation for a “fleet modernization program,†also referred to as “Cash for Clunkers,†in which consumers receive federal support for trading in old vehicle for new fuel-efficient cars.

GM’s chief executive, Fritz Henderson, was more explicit in his remarks following Obama’s presentation. Henderson said, "Between demand and the requirements of the law, the fuel efficiency of our vehicles is going to improve. I think the technologies we’re investing in, whether it’s the Volt, whether it’s hybrid technologies, whether it’s basic research, is all important to get that accomplished. Our objectives, both to the firm and the market, are in alignment not only with President Obama but with governments around the world with reference to having more fuel efficient vehicles."

I'd like to tell you this is super secret intel only those of us high up in industry are privy to but it's not. The Volt is very much Obama's car. Sure he wasn't there in the beginning, but he sure as fucks all over it now Hoss! And if you don't think he's going to take billions of our hard earned tax dollars and pour it down this bottomless shit hole known as "The Volt" you just simply have no clue. He plans on replacing every government vehicle he can with a Volt copy ASAP.

Well anyway they're off to a great roll out with this little ditty from the L.A. Car Show. Enjoy. Go Obama! Yes we can! Voter ! Yes WE Can!


GM's official dance routine performed at the LA Auto Show and set to the official song "Chevy Volt and Me."

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors posted its second straight profitable quarter Thursday, helping clear the way for a sale of shares to the public that is needed to repay billions in taxpayer assistance it received last year.

In addition, the automaker said Ed Whitacre is resigning as chief executive effective Sept. 1, a move that will give the company its fourth chief in less than 18 months. Daniel Akerson, a former CEO of Nextel and a GM board member for just over a year, will succeed Whitacre.

The No. 1 automaker in terms of U.S. sales reported earnings of $1.3 billion in the quarter after the payment of dividends on preferred shares held by the U.S. Treasury. It was the best result in six years for GM and a stark turnaround from the $12.9 billion it lost in the year-earlier period when the company went into bankruptcy.

It was also an improvement from the $865 million it made on a similar basis in the first quarter.

Revenue reached $33.2 billion, up 5% from the first quarter and 44% from a year ago.

The biggest improvement came in its core North American automotive operations, where operating profit soared to $1.6 billion, up 31% from the first quarter and a turnaround from the $3.4 billion loss there in the last three months of 2009.

The operating loss in its European unit narrowed to $160 million, a 66% improvement from the first quarter. But profit slowed in its international operations unit, which includes its Chinese business and now sells more cars than any other region at the company. The $672 million profit there was down 42% from the first quarter.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/12/news/companies/gm_results/index.htm

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> mcsmack Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The ruling class Elitists by nature are
> > hypocrites.
>
> Uh, yeah. That's how they became ruling class
> Elitists.
>
> It just strikes me as absurd that, as little as I
> actively follow politics, I can still tell when
> someone's bullshitting, or when they're being
> honest. The people who actively follow politics
> always seem surprised and disappointed when a
> politician doesn't deliver on his bullshit. They
> all do the same thing. That's how they got where
> they are. It's always why I am against the
> two-party system.
>
> Let me break it down for you:
>
> A Democrat candidate stands for all the thing
> Democrats stand for, and are against whatever
> Republicans are doing. Republican candidates
> stand for what Republicans stand for, and is
> against whatever the Democrats are doing. The
> third character in this drama is a beast called
> Reality.
>
> Candidate Obama knew that, as President, he had a
> shot at government health care. He also knew
> there was no way he could close Gitmo, because
> Reality said he couldn't without some sort of
> magical world peace miracle. But, since Democrats
> stand for both, he had to say he was gonna do
> both. Otherwise, the Democrats wouldn't vote for
> him.
>
> Why is health care a sincere pledge? Because it's
> a Democrat-controlled Congress, and a bunch of
> poor people are rooting for him. If Republicans
> don't go along with it, they look like insensitive
> assholes. Why is the Gitmo pledge bullshit?
> Because everyone is still scared shitless of
> terrorism. He closes Gitmo, there's any sort of
> terrorist attack, and the Democrats lose every
> election cycle for the next 10 years.
>
> Which brings us to the topic of conversation:
> Every single President and his family have enjoyed
> the privilege of the office. Whether it's a rose
> garden, pastry chef, trip to Spain, hummer in the
> Oval Office, trips to the Crawford ranch... They
> all took their vacations and had their fun and
> golfed their golf and ranched their ranches.
> Thinking they're going to get in there and NOT
> live like the leader of the free world shit is
> just silly.
>
> Besides, if they DIDN'T have these kind of
> "perks," there wouldn't really be much incentive
> to be president, would there.


You really ought to read your posts as an objective third party. You'd be shocked what a smug little know-nothing you come off as. Really, there wouldn't be "much incentive" to be president if he din't get "perks"? Right, dude. I'm sure the all-powerful egomanical aspect of the job isn't a huge draw to the terminally ambitious.

Way to counter my point with an ad hominem, sheep fucker.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Way to counter my point with an ad hominem, sheep
> fucker.


You didn't have a decent point to respond to. Apparently your point was "I'm a know-it-all. I'm smug because I'm not that smart." I merely highlighted that in making that point, you come off like a complete ass. Read your post again. I think you'll agree that the only person who could write such smug drivel would be a total douchebag.

What self-respecting person would write something like this on a public forum?

"It just strikes me as absurd that, as little as I
> actively follow politics, I can still tell when
> someone's bullshitting, or when they're being
> honest."

Hahahahaha! Ladies and gentleman, even little 'ole Mr. M can tell when a politician's lying. Can't you? Pure retardation. Did you learn to write at a self-esteem seminar?

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Way to counter my point with an ad hominem, sheep
> fucker.
Funniest post of the Day! Thanks M!

If it's true that the Obamas will spend a whopping 27 hours in the Gulf region on their "Gulf Vacation", what a joke. Nobama needs some new advisers.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. If they go somewhere else everybody complains they should have gone to the Gulf. If they go to the Gulf it's something else--not enough time. If they go for longer you complain they are taking too much time off. They can't win they should just ignore it. Personally, I never complained when Shrub went on vacation. I didn't like anything he was doing so I'd just as soon he was down in Crawford "clearing brush" instead of fucking up the country. But that's just me.

gulf vacation Wrote:
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> If it's true that the Obamas will spend a whopping
> 27 hours in the Gulf region on their "Gulf
> Vacation", what a joke. Nobama needs some new
> advisers.

Ignore it?

How about paying for pleasure vacations OUT OF POCKET in a time of recession? Especially if the argument is 'they can afford it on their own', and when your husband is declaring on TV that we all need to do our part and 'sacrifice' because of the economic struggle our country is going through.

So NO!

Do NOT IGNORE IT!

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"Why don't you LOSERS just pack your flower print DOUCHE BAGS
and get your stoopid @$$#$ THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNETZ!"

- 'philscamms' (the YT Watchdog) ; internet & YouTube® extraordinaire.

Were you not paying attention? They did pay for it out of pocket.


Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> Ignore it?
>
> How about paying for pleasure vacations OUT OF
> POCKET in a time of recession? Especially if the
> argument is 'they can afford it on their own', and
> when your husband is declaring on TV that we all
> need to do our part and 'sacrifice' because of the
> economic struggle our country is going through.
>
> So NO!
>
> Do NOT IGNORE IT!

Well, I try hard NOT to pay attention.

But if they paid out of pocket for a vacation with 40 'close' frends, then what IS the problem?

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"Why don't you LOSERS just pack your flower print DOUCHE BAGS
and get your stoopid @$$#$ THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNETZ!"

- 'philscamms' (the YT Watchdog) ; internet & YouTube® extraordinaire.

Clearly.

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> Well, I try hard NOT to pay attention.
>

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> Well, I try hard NOT to pay attention.
>
> But if they paid out of pocket for a vacation with
> 40 'close' frends, then what IS the problem?


If they want to be re-elected in 2012 here is the problem.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703321004575427712156175190.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

How many of these folks are going to even vote then?

30,000 people aply for section 8 housing vouchers that will only put them on an eight to ten year waiting list

Some camped out for nearly three days in temperatures that neared 100 degrees, including pregnant women, elderly in wheelchairs and people who drove down from New York City and Philadelphia, hoping to get on the waiting list in East Point for Housing Choice, or Section 8, vouchers.

Or do you think they'll be happy just watching their esteemed leader living the high life?

You know what pisses me off she has her MOTHER living in the white house.We the tax payers have to feed and protect her. Now that is welfare at its best. Thats right google it. I wonder how many grandma has on her staff

Is it just me, or do those white guys have snarky, condescending grins on their faces?

Can someone start up a Hot or Not thread on the chic wearing RED, up in the righthand corner please?


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==================================================================================
"Why don't you LOSERS just pack your flower print DOUCHE BAGS
and get your stoopid @$$#$ THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNETZ!"

- 'philscamms' (the YT Watchdog) ; internet & YouTube® extraordinaire.

Yeah, because those people are going to vote Republican. Good one.

mcsmack Wrote:
>
> If they want to be re-elected in 2012 here is the
> problem.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487033
> 21004575427712156175190.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETop
> Stories
>
> How many of these folks are going to even vote
> then?
>
> 30,000 people aply for section 8 housing vouchers
> that will only put them on an eight to ten year
> waiting list
>
> Some camped out for nearly three days in
> temperatures that neared 100 degrees, including
> pregnant women, elderly in wheelchairs and people
> who drove down from New York City and
> Philadelphia, hoping to get on the waiting list in
> East Point for Housing Choice, or Section 8,
> vouchers.
>
> Or do you think they'll be happy just watching
> their esteemed leader living the high life?

Voter___ Wrote:
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> Yeah, because those people are going to vote
> Republican. Good one.

I was implying that because of their dashed hopes and dreams, i.e. standing in a line 30,000 strong for a hand out almost 2 years after Obama's coronation, in their eyes, the great promise of wealth redistribution has left them wanting.

Therefore Voter, my intended point was to have readers infer that these people probably will not go to the polls in 2012. Hence my question in the post," How many of these folks are going to even vote?" The question is rhetorical.

Hope this helps, McSmack

Gotta love those Democrats!

Here is en exceprt from a letter to the editor of a newspaper:

>History teaches that while freed African slaves were being elected to the U.S. Congress on the GOP ticket, the Southern Democrats were creating Jim Crow laws and dressing up in white sheets. You can ask Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd about his activities.
In addition, this point was brought home by Mary Ann. Ashcroft’s historical review column on August 16, where she points out that Carroll County Democrats fought tooth and nail against suffrage and Carroll County Republicans were in favor of voting rights for former slaves.
In the next century, President Lyndon Johnson was creating civil rights legislation to be championed through Congress by Republicans and fought by the Southern Democrats.
If we were to conclude anything from history, it would be that the GOP was and is the party of the freeman and freedom. However, from Iacono’s letter, one would think that the Democrats in Congress drafted into law the Emancipation Proclamation. Maybe Iacono attended a special history class.

-Rob Willey
from letter to the editor, Carrol Times


YEAH OBAMA, we see OUR 'better side of history'!



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==================================================================================
"Why don't you LOSERS just pack your flower print DOUCHE BAGS
and get your stoopid @$$#$ THE FUCK OFF MY INTERNETZ!"

- 'philscamms' (the YT Watchdog) ; internet & YouTube® extraordinaire.

I bet all the righties will be outraged by this story--oh, right.


HAMBURG -- A BBQ dinner of wild boar and beer, held for President Bush four years ago, is at the center of a lawsuit to be decided in Germany next week.

In 2006, on his way to the G8 Summit in St. Petersburg, Bush toured Germany's Baltic Coast. Later in the evening, he was treated to a feast of wild boar with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in the northern town of Trinwillershagen. At the time, the only protests regarding the BBQ came from a few hundred anti-war activists who greeted the president on his arrival.

But when it was reported that the BBQ's bill came to a reported 8.7 million euros, one taxpayer felt he'd been overcharged. Using Germany's freedom of information law, he filed a request to see the exact breakdown of expenditures

His request was originally denied for security reasons. Some 12,000 police officers from several German states were called in for protection at the event.

According to The Local , a court in the state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania could decide this week whether or not to release the cost breakdown of the BBQ.

When the cost of dinner was later revealed, some in the German press dubbed it "the world's most expensive BBQ."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/bush-bbq-at-the-center-of-germ.html

Yes, we're pissed as hell, all of us that pay German taxes.


Voter____ Wrote:
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> I bet all the righties will be outraged by this
> story--oh, right.
>
>
> HAMBURG -- A BBQ dinner of wild boar and beer,
> held for President Bush four years ago, is at the
> center of a lawsuit to be decided in Germany next
> week.
>
> In 2006, on his way to the G8 Summit in St.
> Petersburg, Bush toured Germany's Baltic Coast.
> Later in the evening, he was treated to a feast of
> wild boar with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in
> the northern town of Trinwillershagen. At the
> time, the only protests regarding the BBQ came
> from a few hundred anti-war activists who greeted
> the president on his arrival.
>
> But when it was reported that the BBQ's bill came
> to a reported 8.7 million euros, one taxpayer felt
> he'd been overcharged. Using Germany's freedom of
> information law, he filed a request to see the
> exact breakdown of expenditures
>
> His request was originally denied for security
> reasons. Some 12,000 police officers from several
> German states were called in for protection at the
> event.
>
> According to The Local , a court in the state of
> Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania could decide this
> week whether or not to release the cost breakdown
> of the BBQ.
>
> When the cost of dinner was later revealed, some
> in the German press dubbed it "the world's most
> expensive BBQ."
>
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/bush-b
> bq-at-the-center-of-germ.html

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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Well, it's hard to keep track of exactly why you guys get outraged. One minute it's about the waste of tax payer money, then when it turns out it's not tax payer money you are outraged for a different reason.

WingNut Wrote:
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> Yes, we're pissed as hell, all of us that pay
> German taxes.
>

WHo is "us guys", bitch? You seem to know everyone so well, don't you?


Voter____ Wrote:
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> Well, it's hard to keep track of exactly why you
> guys get outraged. One minute it's about the
> waste of tax payer money, then when it turns out
> it's not tax payer money you are outraged for a
> different reason.
>
> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes, we're pissed as hell, all of us that pay
> > German taxes.
> >

idontlikebeingrightaboutshitlikethisbutiam



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See if you can follow: my first message referred to "righties" who are outraged by everything the Obama's do, but didn't give a shit that Shrub was scarfing down $9M Euro barbeque. Some asswipe who actually owns up to being a "WingNut" replied to that post, so I guess you would fall in that category. If you aren't one of the ones who manufactures outrage for partisan purposes then don't post a reply, bitch.

WingNut Wrote:
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> WHo is "us guys", bitch? You seem to know everyone
> so well, don't you?
>

Ah, hurt my feelings with your brilliant analysis.

You posted a clip you probably didn't read about German tax money waste, soemthing anyone here could give two shits about.

You're phony as the day is long. If the Dems you love so much had been trying to cut spending, prevent a housing bubble- you'd have something to talk about. But you spent right along with Bush, then talk shit about "driving a car into the ditch". You were the designated driver, chump, if not THE driver after the Dems took Congress in 2006.

Your president's a failure, his policies are a failure and unemployment is way above 8%.

EDIT-typos

Voter____ Wrote:
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> See if you can follow: my first message referred
> to "righties" who are outraged by everything the
> Obama's do, but didn't give a shit that Shrub was
> scarfing down $9M Euro barbeque. Some asswipe who
> actually owns up to being a "WingNut" replied to
> that post, so I guess you would fall in that
> category. If you aren't one of the ones who
> manufactures outrage for partisan purposes then
> don't post a reply, bitch.
>
> WingNut Wrote:
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> > WHo is "us guys", bitch? You seem to know
> everyone
> > so well, don't you?
> >

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It's ignorance like this that is going to keep us in the Bush recession longer than necessary. Spending, whatever the long-term consequences may be, is not the cause of the currently fucked up economy. If it weren't for the stimulus package, unemployment would be around 11% and we would be a lot worse of than we are. Republicans should actually hope that they don't manage to make substantial gains in the mid-terms. Their "solutions" will make the problems much worse and remind voters why we threw those idiots out in the first place.

WingNut Wrote:
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> You're phony as the day is long. If the Dems you
> love so much had been trying to cut spending,
> prevent a housing bubble- you'd have something to
> talk about. But you spent right along with Bush,
> then talk shit about "driving a car into the
> ditch". You were the designated driver, chump, if
> not THE driver after the Dems took Congress in
> 2006.
>
> Your president's a failure, his policies are a
> failure and unemployment is way above 8%.

What exactly caused the Bush recession genius?

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Mostly unchecked greed.

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> What exactly caused the Bush recession genius?

But not unchecked, unrealistuc borrowing- which Dem favorite children Fannie and Freddie supported?

And where was boy wonder Barack? He was in a Dem controlled Senate from 2006. Was he sounding the alarms or drafting preventive legislation? Were any of the Dems?

Negative.

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Well, yes unchecked borrowing--driven by greed--was a huge part of the problem. This idea that the second Obama or Democrats gained power they are suddenly responsible for everything that has happened over the last ten years is not the mark of a serious person.

WingNut Wrote:
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> But not unchecked, unrealistuc borrowing- which
> Dem favorite children Fannie and Freddie
> supported?
>
> And where was boy wonder Barack? He was in a Dem
> controlled Senate from 2006. Was he sounding the
> alarms or drafting preventive legislation? Were
> any of the Dems?
>
> Negative.

Dude, Obama was in Congress. He could have done a lot of shit. You'll never hear me say Bush was a genius or even a decent president, but you wouldn't hear me blaming him if I had legislative power to do something.

Both parties knew there was a time bomb and neither chose to defuse and thought they could wait it out.

Oh, and did the Bush stimulus help the econom? (I was against that too, btw)

Unemployment was supposed to halt around 8%. What happened there?

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Right--a single Senator somehow has the power to just make everything happen. If that were true, why would Obama have bothered running for president? This old canard about unemployment going over 8% is really getting tiresome. The fact that it went over 8% is not an indictment of the stimulus package, it is just a consequence of the situation being worse than was originally understood. As I've said before, if they had stated it a different way--that the stimulus would prevent the unemployment rate from rising more than 2.5 percentage points instead of pegging it at a specific rate we wouldn't have to keep hearing that.


WingNut Wrote:
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> Dude, Obama was in Congress. He could have done a
> lot of shit. You'll never hear me say Bush was a
> genius or even a decent president, but you
> wouldn't hear me blaming him if I had legislative
> power to do something.
>
> Both parties knew there was a time bomb and
> neither chose to defuse and thought they could
> wait it out.
>
> Oh, and did the Bush stimulus help the econom? (I
> was against that too, btw)
>
> Unemployment was supposed to halt around 8%. What
> happened there?

So what did Barry do in the US Senate? Anything?

I know he did a bipartisan nukes thing where he basically used his lawyerspeak skills, but he didn't do shit economy wise. This fucker couldn't run a lawnmowing business or a hot stand. Educated, yes- but he knows little about the marketplace.

The 8% unemployment is his words. It shows a lack of grasp on the issue and numbers be so far off in a prediction. Sorry, but he's a fucking failure.

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Voter____ Wrote:
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> Well, yes unchecked borrowing--driven by
> greed--was a huge part of the problem. This idea
> that the second Obama or Democrats gained power
> they are suddenly responsible for everything that
> has happened over the last ten years is not the
> mark of a serious person.
>
> WingNut Wrote:
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> -----
> > But not unchecked, unrealistuc borrowing- which
> > Dem favorite children Fannie and Freddie
> > supported?
> >
> > And where was boy wonder Barack? He was in a
> Dem
> > controlled Senate from 2006. Was he sounding
> the
> > alarms or drafting preventive legislation? Were
> > any of the Dems?
> >
> > Negative.

So you didn't think Bush was responsible for the 3 million jobs lost during the Clinton recession?

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Of course not. Nor did I think Bush was responsible for 9/11.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> So you didn't think Bush was responsible for the 3
> million jobs lost during the Clinton recession?