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HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: August 06, 2010 09:51AM

While us little people are asked to "sacrifice", Michelle Obama and 40 of her friends are living large on the coast of Spain in rooms that cost $2500 a day. Secret service is there in numbers on our dime and Air Force 2 burned the fuel to get them there.

Hmmm. Maybe a nice move would have been to vacation a little more modestly stateside. The Gulf Coast could use the positive PR (not to mention the money) or maybe somewhere in Nevada that has been battered by the recession? Maybe go buy a stupid ranch in Texas and go chop wood even?

No. Go to an exclusive swath of a failed semi-socialist Euro nation that up until her trip had a State Department warning about the 'racism" dark skinned Americans may face over there.

No. The Obamas aren't Kenyans or Muslims. There not full fledged socialists and probably not racists. But despite their talk of caring for the working class and their sacrifice, they are no different than any other phoney fuck politico that came before them. Enjoy the gravy train while it lasts.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/08/04/2010-08-04_material_girl_michelle_obama_is_a_modernday_marie_antoinette_on_a_glitzy_spanish.html


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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: August 06, 2010 09:52AM

She should have vacationed in Arizona

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 09:55AM

How have you been asked to sacrifice?

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Wahhh ()
Date: August 06, 2010 09:59AM

I love how the article stated that she is vacationing with 40 of her "closest friends." Come on, what bullshit. While I believe someone can have 40 friends, who has 40 that are "close" enough that you want to spend a vacation with them? Maybe 4 or 5, but 40? I bet it is more like 40 people traveling in her party or 40 of her entourage - not "close friends".

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: like is is ()
Date: August 06, 2010 09:59AM

no doub't this is the most traveled 1st family of all time,seems like they are always on vacation in maine,marthas vineyard ,hawaii,france then spain i'm sure a mosque will be on the itinerary in sunny spain maybe even a quick visit to see brother momar in libya perhaps even a trip to cuba on the return flight?

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:03AM

On going to Copenhagen to pitch Chicago for the 2016 Olympics-

“As much of a sacrifice as people say this is for me or Oprah or the president to come for these few days,” the First Lady told a group of fellow Chicago 2016 boosters, “so many of you in this room have been working for years to bring this bid home.”


At Muskingum College, Zanesville,Ohio

Michelle Obama, during a recent campaign trip, stopped by in this struggling town and warned the locals to not go for the big money, to steer clear of the money grubbing in private sector. "We left corporate America, which is a lot of what we're asking young people to do," she told a group of women at a day-care center. "Don't go into corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we're encouraging our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries respond."


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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:05AM

Forty friends is pretty funny. The list is probably loaded with people she is returning favors to or expecting favors from.


Wahhh Wrote:
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> I love how the article stated that she is
> vacationing with 40 of her "closest friends." Come
> on, what bullshit. While I believe someone can
> have 40 friends, who has 40 that are "close"
> enough that you want to spend a vacation with
> them? Maybe 4 or 5, but 40? I bet it is more like
> 40 people traveling in her party or 40 of her
> entourage - not "close friends".


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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Date: August 06, 2010 10:12AM

For clarification, the First Family is planning a family vacation to the Gulf coast in the coming weeks. Also, Michelle Obama and the family friends are paying their own way. Of course, there are taxpayer costs for Secret Service, transportation, etc. And the appearance isn't great. But in terms of actual cost to the taxpayers, I would venture to guess that taxpayers were billed by the Bush family for use of the ranch in Texas, as well as all of the other costs involved for "official business," so the idea that a month in Crawford was exponentially cheaper on the taxpayers than a trip to Spain is somewhat questionable.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:22AM

Bush was then, Obama is NOW.I think if you want to look back at those years, Bush golfed far less than Obama, but that proves nothing.

I didn't catch the comparison with Crawford. The parts of this story that stands out to me are-

1) America is in an economic recession and our tourist industry could use the money that is instead going overseas.

2)The Obamas have a history of talking about "sacrifice", slamming the rich and phony populism in general.


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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:23AM

"You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility.”

-Barack Hussein Obama.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Date: August 06, 2010 10:27AM

WingNut Wrote:
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> Bush was then, Obama is NOW.I think if you want to
> look back at those years, Bush golfed far less
> than Obama, but that proves nothing.
>
> I didn't catch the comparison with Crawford. The
> parts of this story that stands out to me are-
>
> 1) America is in an economic recession and our
> tourist industry could use the money that is
> instead going overseas.
>
> 2)The Obamas have a history of talking about
> "sacrifice", slamming the rich and phony populism
> in general.

I'm not defending it, especially from a perception standpoint. I'm just clarifying what's actually happening. As for precedent, Nancy Reagan and Mary Todd Lincoln fell under similar criticism in their time.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:27AM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> "You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down
> to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's
> got to be some accountability and some
> responsibility.”
>
> -Barack Hussein Obama.

+1

Yep, Las Vegas and the Super Bowl are in America. But throw your money away with the Eurotrash.


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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:29AM

I peed my pants when I was a child.

You peed your pants when you were a child.

Let's talk about who's pissing in their pants TODAY though,when we all should know better.

TODAY being the metaphor for an economically strapped America.




WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bush was then, Obama is NOW.I think if you want
> to
> > look back at those years, Bush golfed far less
> > than Obama, but that proves nothing.
> >
> > I didn't catch the comparison with Crawford.
> The
> > parts of this story that stands out to me are-
> >
> > 1) America is in an economic recession and our
> > tourist industry could use the money that is
> > instead going overseas.
> >
> > 2)The Obamas have a history of talking about
> > "sacrifice", slamming the rich and phony
> populism
> > in general.
>
> I'm not defending it, especially from a perception
> standpoint. I'm just clarifying what's actually
> happening. As for precedent, Nancy Reagan and Mary
> Todd Lincoln fell under similar criticism in their
> time.


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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:31AM

Wahhh Wrote:
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> I love how the article stated that she is
> vacationing with 40 of her "closest friends." Come
> on, what bullshit. While I believe someone can
> have 40 friends, who has 40 that are "close"
> enough that you want to spend a vacation with
> them? Maybe 4 or 5, but 40? I bet it is more like
> 40 people traveling in her party or 40 of her
> entourage - not "close friends".




+1

Who the hell wants to have a vacation with that many people following you around?

Blessed are the murderous.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Date: August 06, 2010 10:41AM

WingNut Wrote:
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> I peed my pants when I was a child.
>
> You peed your pants when you were a child.
>
> Let's talk about who's pissing in their pants
> TODAY though,when we all should know better.
>
> TODAY being the metaphor for an economically
> strapped America.
>
>
>
>

What's past is prologue.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: curious george ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:44AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> How have you been asked to sacrifice?


typical monkey

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: ftotmfs ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:44AM

this is the change nobama mentioned

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:50AM

like is is Wrote:
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> no doub't this is the most traveled 1st family of
> all time,seems like they are always on vacation in
> maine,marthas vineyard ,hawaii,france then spain
> i'm sure a mosque will be on the itinerary in
> sunny spain maybe even a quick visit to see
> brother momar in libya perhaps even a trip to cuba
> on the return flight?


Thats a lie.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 10:52AM

curious george Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How have you been asked to sacrifice?
>
>
> typical monkey


It was a simple question. I love these comments about people "sacrificng" ...."being taxed to death"..and all the other bullshit remarks whining republikans come up with.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: August 06, 2010 11:17AM

I was disappointed when Obama won, but I figured he's going to steer the ship, I have to hope he won't suck. I hoped we'd get some sense of nationalism, protection of U.S jobs and workers which is something the dems can get right rarely.

No, it's typical "bash the rich" bullshit and then live just like them. I'm sorry for the true believers that were conned, Obama is a double-talking product of the same political class we've always had.


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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 11:27AM

WingNut Wrote:
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> I was disappointed when Obama won, but I figured
> he's going to steer the ship, I have to hope he
> won't suck. I hoped we'd get some sense of
> nationalism, protection of U.S jobs and workers
> which is something the dems can get right rarely.
>
> No, it's typical "bash the rich" bullshit and then
> live just like them. I'm sorry for the true
> believers that were conned, Obama is a
> double-talking product of the same political class
> we've always had.


I think the only thing worse then "bashing the rich" is bashing the poor. As if the rich earned every penny without the help of the Govt....and that the poor want more then what they need to make a living wage. Much more has been done to improve the lot of the working man by the hard sweat of their own labor...nothing has been given to labor that wasnt fought for and earned. Its time for this country to stop hating the working men and women...and kissing the ass of the rich.

I dont know anyone who beleived Obama was going to change the world...we expected him to improve the world....and he has. Nothing promised by Republican politicians has the hope of improving a thing.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: stfu alrdy idiot ()
Date: August 06, 2010 11:39AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was disappointed when Obama won, but I
> figured
> > he's going to steer the ship, I have to hope he
> > won't suck. I hoped we'd get some sense of
> > nationalism, protection of U.S jobs and workers
> > which is something the dems can get right
> rarely.
> >
> > No, it's typical "bash the rich" bullshit and
> then
> > live just like them. I'm sorry for the true
> > believers that were conned, Obama is a
> > double-talking product of the same political
> class
> > we've always had.
>
>
> I think the only thing worse then "bashing the
> rich" is bashing the poor. As if the rich earned
> every penny without the help of the Govt....and
> that the poor want more then what they need to
> make a living wage. Much more has been done to
> improve the lot of the working man by the hard
> sweat of their own labor...nothing has been given
> to labor that wasnt fought for and earned. Its
> time for this country to stop hating the working
> men and women...and kissing the ass of the rich.
>
>
> I dont know anyone who beleived Obama was going to
> change the world...we expected him to improve the
> world....and he has. Nothing promised by
> Republican politicians has the hope of improving a
> thing.

example of how he improved the world?
typical monkey jibber jabber

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 11:43AM

stfu alrdy idiot Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WingNut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I was disappointed when Obama won, but I
> > figured
> > > he's going to steer the ship, I have to hope
> he
> > > won't suck. I hoped we'd get some sense of
> > > nationalism, protection of U.S jobs and
> workers
> > > which is something the dems can get right
> > rarely.
> > >
> > > No, it's typical "bash the rich" bullshit and
> > then
> > > live just like them. I'm sorry for the true
> > > believers that were conned, Obama is a
> > > double-talking product of the same political
> > class
> > > we've always had.
> >
> >
> > I think the only thing worse then "bashing the
> > rich" is bashing the poor. As if the rich
> earned
> > every penny without the help of the Govt....and
> > that the poor want more then what they need to
> > make a living wage. Much more has been done to
> > improve the lot of the working man by the hard
> > sweat of their own labor...nothing has been
> given
> > to labor that wasnt fought for and earned. Its
> > time for this country to stop hating the
> working
> > men and women...and kissing the ass of the rich.
>
> >
> >
> > I dont know anyone who beleived Obama was going
> to
> > change the world...we expected him to improve
> the
> > world....and he has. Nothing promised by
> > Republican politicians has the hope of improving
> a
> > thing.
>
> example of how he improved the world?
> typical monkey jibber jabber


Well..what is it you want out of your politicians? A worse world?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 06, 2010 02:37PM

You asked the equivalent of a retard to give you an example, and look what you got... a steamy pile of babboon shit.

No 'change' there.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 03:28PM

stfu alrdy idiot Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WingNut Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I was disappointed when Obama won, but I
> > figured
> > > he's going to steer the ship, I have to hope
> he
> > > won't suck. I hoped we'd get some sense of
> > > nationalism, protection of U.S jobs and
> workers
> > > which is something the dems can get right
> > rarely.
> > >
> > > No, it's typical "bash the rich" bullshit and
> > then
> > > live just like them. I'm sorry for the true
> > > believers that were conned, Obama is a
> > > double-talking product of the same political
> > class
> > > we've always had.
> >
> >
> > I think the only thing worse then "bashing the
> > rich" is bashing the poor. As if the rich
> earned
> > every penny without the help of the Govt....and
> > that the poor want more then what they need to
> > make a living wage. Much more has been done to
> > improve the lot of the working man by the hard
> > sweat of their own labor...nothing has been
> given
> > to labor that wasnt fought for and earned. Its
> > time for this country to stop hating the
> working
> > men and women...and kissing the ass of the rich.
>
> >
> >
> > I dont know anyone who beleived Obama was going
> to
> > change the world...we expected him to improve
> the
> > world....and he has. Nothing promised by
> > Republican politicians has the hope of improving
> a
> > thing.
>
> example of how he improved the world?
> typical monkey jibber jabber


1. He continues to withdraw troops from Iraq
2. He has increased sanctions against Iran
3. He has improved our image overseas
4. He has liften the ban on stem cell research
5. He has nominated 2 liberal judges to the Supreme Court
6. He has passed healthcare
7. He has saved the U.S. economy


The worrld is a better place.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 03:29PM

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> You asked the equivalent of a retard to give you
> an example, and look what you got... a steamy pile
> of babboon shit.
>
> No 'change' there.


Your refernce to "babbons" hints of racism..your use of the word "retard" shows you can only feel good about yourself by degrading others. You are a pitiful human being.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 06, 2010 03:40PM

Babboons doesn't hint at anything more the you talking about whitey all the time.

And RETARD refered to YOU, and the lousy excuse you are for wasting the oxygen that surrounds you.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: August 06, 2010 03:48PM

WingNut Wrote:
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> I was disappointed when Obama won, but I figured
> he's going to steer the ship, I have to hope he
> won't suck. I hoped we'd get some sense of
> nationalism, protection of U.S jobs and workers
> which is something the dems can get right rarely.
>
> No, it's typical "bash the rich" bullshit and then
> live just like them. I'm sorry for the true
> believers that were conned, Obama is a
> double-talking product of the same political class
> we've always had.



Personally, I'm not surprised. All of them are the same. Slick talking con men who say whatever they can to get in and once in place, just sit back with that elitist mentality and do whatever they can to stay in power.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:07PM

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> Babboons doesn't hint at anything more the you
> talking about whitey all the time.
>
> And RETARD refered to YOU, and the lousy excuse
> you are for wasting the oxygen that surrounds you.


You are a very sad person. Im glad to disturb you so much...join the cast of clowns!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:08PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> stfu alrdy idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > WingNut Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I was disappointed when Obama won, but I
> > > figured
> > > > he's going to steer the ship, I have to
> hope
> > he
> > > > won't suck. I hoped we'd get some sense of
> > > > nationalism, protection of U.S jobs and
> > workers
> > > > which is something the dems can get right
> > > rarely.
> > > >
> > > > No, it's typical "bash the rich" bullshit
> and
> > > then
> > > > live just like them. I'm sorry for the true
> > > > believers that were conned, Obama is a
> > > > double-talking product of the same
> political
> > > class
> > > > we've always had.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think the only thing worse then "bashing
> the
> > > rich" is bashing the poor. As if the rich
> > earned
> > > every penny without the help of the
> Govt....and
> > > that the poor want more then what they need
> to
> > > make a living wage. Much more has been done
> to
> > > improve the lot of the working man by the
> hard
> > > sweat of their own labor...nothing has been
> > given
> > > to labor that wasnt fought for and earned.
> Its
> > > time for this country to stop hating the
> > working
> > > men and women...and kissing the ass of the
> rich.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I dont know anyone who beleived Obama was
> going
> > to
> > > change the world...we expected him to improve
> > the
> > > world....and he has. Nothing promised by
> > > Republican politicians has the hope of
> improving
> > a
> > > thing.
> >
> > example of how he improved the world?
> > typical monkey jibber jabber
>
>
> 1. He continues to withdraw troops from Iraq
> 2. He has increased sanctions against Iran
> 3. He has improved our image overseas
> 4. He has liften the ban on stem cell research
> 5. He has nominated 2 liberal judges to the
> Supreme Court
> 6. He has passed healthcare
> 7. He has saved the U.S. economy
>
>
> The worrld is a better place.


8. He's negotiated a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia

The world is a better place.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:11PM

I'm a Dem and at one time a serious Obama supporter. To me, this is appalling. Americans everywhere are hurting and this Administration seems to be telling people to sacrifice. Whether or not they're paying their way, the Obamas are doing just the opposite. The average American can't dream of going to Spain and staying in ritzy hotels for $2500 a night. The average American can't afford to eat lobster rissoto. The average American can't dish out $325K for a vacay. I hate to say it, but the Obamas have just proven to be massive hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do. We're worth millions, you're not. Don't go into corporate America and make your millions, write a bunch of books about yourself and get elected. Shame on Obama.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:12PM

Oh really, he has saved the US economy?

Well that explains the steady(and possibly worsening) unemployment rate.

That right there makes all your other points moot.

Bravo, retard.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:12PM

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> I'm a Dem and at one time a serious Obama
> supporter. To me, this is appalling. Americans
> everywhere are hurting and this Administration
> seems to be telling people to sacrifice. Whether
> or not they're paying their way, the Obamas are
> doing just the opposite. The average American
> can't dream of going to Spain and staying in ritzy
> hotels for $2500 a night. The average American
> can't afford to eat lobster rissoto. The average
> American can't dish out $325K for a vacay. I hate
> to say it, but the Obamas have just proven to be
> massive hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do.
> We're worth millions, you're not. Don't go into
> corporate America and make your millions, write a
> bunch of books about yourself and get elected.
> Shame on Obama.


Again..I ask....when has the AMerican public been asked to "sacrifice"?

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:13PM

"Sacrifice"

Those are the words that repetitively come out of the mouth of your Messiah you claim to know so much about and support.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:18PM

This is from Obama's inaugural address. Any other questions?

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/politics&id=6616167

This is from just after his election:

http://washingtonindependent.com/20111/obama-calls-for-sacrifice

This is from Feb. of this year:

"When times are tough, you tighten your belts" said the President. "You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices."


Not to mention his statements on accountability above.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:32PM

Those were speeches...what has he done to ask you to sacrifice? Has he raised your taxes? Has he cut your electricity off? What has he DONE to warrant any sacrifice from YOU?

You are a bunch of whining cry babies..you live off the fat of others and you cry about it as if you are suffering. Youare a joke.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:36PM

Let me get this straight....the economy is going to get better by everyone not going on vacations! People who have money to spend should spend it.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:37PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Those were speeches...what has he done to ask you
> to sacrifice? Has he raised your taxes? Has he
> cut your electricity off? What has he DONE to
> warrant any sacrifice from YOU?


Vince, you initially asked when he "asked" the American people to sacrifice. He's done so repeatedly. I showed you where. What you're taking issue with is that he hasn't "made" Americans sacrifice. I maintain he has in numerous ways.

Don't be obtuse. Vince, I'm a Dem. I'm was an Obama supporter. You can't seriously fail to see the massive hypocrisy that Obama is showing here. This is a very bad PR move and it makes me really wonder if all that bullshit about being a man of the people is just that...bullshit. He made $10 mm last year. He's not sacrificing. People are hurting out there. They expect their President to understand that. Not speechify then send his wife off an a $375K vacation. If you're so happy that people don't practive what they preach, you should be a Republican.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:39PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Let me get this straight....the economy is going
> to get better by everyone not going on vacations!
> People who have money to spend should spend it.


Surely you're not this stupid. No one is saying she can't go on vacations. They're saying she shouldn't be spending tax dollars to go to Spain with her friends in the lap of luxury. There's a not-so-subtle difference, get it?

Read this: "You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility.” Tell me how the first lady's actions comport to that principle.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Yum Yum Spurts ()
Date: August 06, 2010 04:49PM

I hope she visits a nude beach in Spain and the paparazzi gets some close-up shots. I would love to see her gnarly bush and that sweet honey hole!

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vote out Obama 2012 ()
Date: August 08, 2010 10:38AM

Obama is NOT what the United States needs. Vote him out in 2012.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 08, 2010 12:09PM

Done deal.

Don't worry.

He already has his pink slip and this next two years are gonna be extremely short for him.

Before he knows it, Barrack will be calling up Three Amigos moving service to take the Obama families roach infested junk, back to Chicago.




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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 08, 2010 12:56PM

If the best the republicans have to offer is a 1/2 term governor and a sanctioned ex-speaker of the house....no ones moving out of the White House any time soon.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 08:14AM

I wounldn't be worried about Palin or Gingrich. They're clowns. I would worry about Pawlenty and Romney. Not to mention, there will be a few candidates getting voted in this term. There is plenty of time for the Republicans to find a candidate before 2012. There's also plenty of time for Obama to repair his image.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: dinkum ()
Date: August 09, 2010 08:23AM

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> I wounldn't be worried about Palin or Gingrich.
> They're clowns. I would worry about Pawlenty and
> Romney. Not to mention, there will be a few
> candidates getting voted in this term. There is
> plenty of time for the Republicans to find a
> candidate before 2012. There's also plenty of time
> for Obama to repair his image.


HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH

Oh, were you serious?

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 08:31AM

Hahahaha! Are you? If you're a Democrat, you should NOT be confident about the prospects of 2012 or 2014. Both elections are going to be nail biters for Dems. The country's mood has changed, and you're just dipslaying your elitism, arrogance and stupidity by not realizing how attractive the Reps are to many voters right now.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Rahm and pals ()
Date: August 09, 2010 08:56AM

Rahm and Obama's other Chicago pals are the problem. Why anyone thought voting this circus into power would help is a mystery.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Voter___ ()
Date: August 09, 2010 09:31AM

Not that anybody from the right is ever interested in facts but here are some:

First, some numbers. Mrs. Obama did not travel with 40 friends, a number used by some news outlets.

She vacationed with two women, one of them a longtime Chicago pal, Anita Blanchard, who is the obstetrician who delivered Sasha and Malia. Blanchard is married to Marty Nesbitt -- President Obama's buddy and the treasurer of Obama's presidential campaign fund.

There was one other woman. Total: four daughters among the three women. They paid for their hotel rooms and other personal and travel expenses.

A White House source told me that Blanchard's father passed away and Mrs. Obama was not able to make the funeral at the beginning of July. Blanchard had promised her daughter she would take her to Spain for her birthday. She asked Mrs. Obama and Sasha to come with. (Malia is at overnight camp.)

"She felt it was important as a dear friend to do this," I was told.

How did they end up at the five star Villa Padierna, part of the Ritz-Carlton chain? Because of security concerns, there were just some places they could not go. Agents were able to secure Villa Padierna and the nearby beach area.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/2578614,CST-NWS-sweet09.article

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 09:53AM

voter, I know there are legitimate reasons for taking the vacation. And I imagine that the story of Mrs. Obama's excesses are exagarated. But, the vacaction cost somewhere between $250K-$375K, which the American taxpayer footed. In the midst of the worst receission in 80 years, that's not acceptable, no matter how you want to parse the facts. If she needed time off, she could have avoided the scrutiny and just gone to Yellowstone, the Outer Banks, Santa Fe, with her friend. No one would have said a word.

As I stated earlier, read this statement. Tell me how the First Lady's actions comport with its principle. "You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime. There's got to be some accountability and some responsibility."

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: August 09, 2010 09:55AM

You Michelle bashers should be ashamed of yourselves. Read this you uncaring bitches and bastards! I hope this makes you feel good now.


BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist
WASHINGTON--Michelle Obama and daughter Sasha returned from Spain on Sunday, a vacation at a lavish hotel on the Mediterranean coast that triggered her first controversy since becoming first lady. I'm told she made the trip because she promised one of her closest friends, a longtime Chicago pal who just lost her father, she would spend time with her.

I really don't give a shit what she does. Even the best estimates I've seen of 75 thousand dollars a day in tax payer money being spent doesn't bother me. But I have to laugh when the White House spin team starts throwing out the "Grieving friend" card. How classless.

Michelle Obama
Presence: Mrs Obama and her entourage go walkabout in Marbella on Wednesday



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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: August 09, 2010 10:03AM

What's going on behind her?
Attachments:
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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Voter___ ()
Date: August 09, 2010 10:06AM

It wasn't on the taxpayer's dime--the Obama's paid for the trip with their personal funds as they do many other things. They paid for the renovations to the White House out of their own funds too, which other presidents haven't done. The taxpayers pay for security and other government related expenses whenever the president or first lady go anywhere--that's just the way it has to be in the age we live in. Complaints like these are just a matter of people who don't like the Obama's faking outrage. I didn't notice people like you complaining about Bush spending money to go to his ranch or Cheney out fly fishing every weekend.

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> As I stated earlier, read this statement. Tell me
> how the First Lady's actions comport with its
> principle. "You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas
> or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers'
> dime. There's got to be some accountability and
> some responsibility."

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 10:22AM

Voter___ Wrote:
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> It wasn't on the taxpayer's dime--the Obama's paid
> for the trip with their personal funds as they do
> many other things. They paid for the renovations
> to the White House out of their own funds too,
> which other presidents haven't done. The
> taxpayers pay for security and other government
> related expenses whenever the president or first
> lady go anywhere--that's just the way it has to be
> in the age we live in. Complaints like these are
> just a matter of people who don't like the Obama's
> faking outrage. I didn't notice people like you
> complaining about Bush spending money to go to his
> ranch or Cheney out fly fishing every weekend.
>
> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> > As I stated earlier, read this statement. Tell
> me
> > how the First Lady's actions comport with its
> > principle. "You can't go take a trip to Las
> Vegas
> > or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers'
> > dime. There's got to be some accountability and
> > some responsibility."




First off, I'm an Obama voter. Second, Bush and Cheney were morons, but don't change the subject. It's really tiresome to hear people defending Obama by bashing Bush. O's been in office for 18 months; he should stand on his own record.

Third, the taxpayer is footing the bill. Round trip costs on AF2 and security detail are all paid by the taxpayer. Fourth, and most importantly, don't sit there and defend what amounts to a lavish vacaction in a foreign country in the midst of the worst recession in 80 years. Please, for God sake, answer my question--how is this defensible politically or financially? How can we criticize Wall St. for its excesses and ask the American people to sacrifice when the FL is on a $300K vacation in Spain and staying at the best hotel in the country. It just shows what hyprocrites so many limousine liberals are. Evyerone needs to sacrifice, except them. What a joke.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Voter___ ()
Date: August 09, 2010 10:32AM

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
>
> First off, I'm an Obama voter. Second, Bush and
> Cheney were morons, but don't change the subject.
> It's really tiresome to hear people defending
> Obama by bashing Bush. O's been in office for 18
> months; he should stand on his own record.

I'm not bashing Bush. I had no problem with taxpayers paying for Bush's security during personal trips--it's just part of the deal. I bring it up because people are holding the Obama's to a different standard.

>
> Third, the taxpayer is footing the bill. Round
> trip costs on AF2 and security detail are all paid
> by the taxpayer.

We pay for security and travel costs all of the time--nothing that can be done about it.


Fourth, and most importantly,
> don't sit there and defend what amounts to a
> lavish vacaction in a foreign country in the midst
> of the worst recession in 80 years. Please, for
> God sake, answer my question--how is this
> defensible politically or financially? How can we
> criticize Wall St. for its excesses and ask the
> American people to sacrifice when the FL is on a
> $300K vacation in Spain and staying at the best
> hotel in the country. It just shows what
> hyprocrites so many limousine liberals are.
> Evyerone needs to sacrifice, except them. What a
> joke.

I don't have a problem with the first lady going on a nice trip. The Reagan's and the Kennedy's made the White House glamorous and I think that's the way it should be. We could save a few bucks by burning down the White House and having our president live in an efficiency apartment in Anacostia too--is that the image you want for America?

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 10:46AM

Voter___ Wrote:

>
> I'm not bashing Bush. I had no problem with
> taxpayers paying for Bush's security during
> personal trips--it's just part of the deal. I
> bring it up because people are holding the Obama's
> to a different standard.

Yes, the Obamas should be held to a different standard. They, and the country, wanted that different, higher standard. All that rhetoric about accountability blah blah blah. Also, things have changed. You don't take a lavish vacation now when so many Americans are hurting.

>
> >
> > Third, the taxpayer is footing the bill. Round
> > trip costs on AF2 and security detail are all
> paid
> > by the taxpayer.
>
> We pay for security and travel costs all of the
> time--nothing that can be done about it.

You're being deliberatly ingnorant. There is a real difference between--both in terms of cost and degree-- the FL going to the Gulf Coast or Camp David for a family vacay than there is an overseas trip to tour Spain with her friends.

>
> Fourth, and most importantly,
> > don't sit there and defend what amounts to a
> > lavish vacaction in a foreign country in the
> midst
> > of the worst recession in 80 years. Please, for
> > God sake, answer my question--how is this
> > defensible politically or financially? How can
> we
> > criticize Wall St. for its excesses and ask the
> > American people to sacrifice when the FL is on
> a
> > $300K vacation in Spain and staying at the best
> > hotel in the country. It just shows what
> > hyprocrites so many limousine liberals are.
> > Evyerone needs to sacrifice, except them. What
> a
> > joke.
>
> I don't have a problem with the first lady going
> on a nice trip. The Reagan's and the Kennedy's
> made the White House glamorous and I think that's
> the way it should be. We could save a few bucks
> by burning down the White House and having our
> president live in an efficiency apartment in
> Anacostia too--is that the image you want for
> America?

Neither do I. See above. I want her to be aware of the predicament of other Americans and how she is perceived. Your point is reducio ad absurdum. No one is saying the Presidency shouldn't be glamorous. People are saying you should display the kind of sacrifice and self-awareness that the President himself preaches. In the midst of WWII, President Roosavelt--no stanger to glamor--allowed sheep to graze on the South Lawn to save the cost of hiring personnel away from the war effort. However small, that symbolized the type of sacrifice the President was asking the country to make. Now compare the FL.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: hepp ()
Date: August 09, 2010 10:47AM

The story behind this expensive trip is drivel. It's pathetic to attempt to justify it by describing it, as if it really is OK since it is the doctor that delivered Michelle's kids. Taxpayers ARE paying for AF2, security/Secret Service, etc. No weaseling out of that.

Obamas are apparently too far above the regular Americans to downsize in this economy. Michelle is getting her free exotic vacations NOW before they get voted out in 2012. It seems like Obamas don't even LIKE being at the White House. It's not fun anymore.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: small vacation? ()
Date: August 09, 2010 10:51AM

The picture of Michelle and her entourage says it all. Ha!

Hypocrites. Obama and his posse are hypocrites and do NOT relate at all to the average American worker (or out-of-worker).

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 09, 2010 11:01AM

Michelle Obama lunches with Spain's royal family as backlash over her extravagant holiday continues back home
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1301302/Michelle-Obama-lunches-Spains-royal-family-backlash-extravagant-holiday-continues-home.html
U.S. First Lady Michelle Obama and her younger daughter lunched with Spain's King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia today at the royal summer residence on the Balearic island of Majorca.

Mrs Obama, nine-year-old Sasha and their entourage flew into the Majorcan capital of Palma from the glitzy Mediterranean resort of Marbella, where they have been staying since Wednesday at a deluxe hotel.

The lunch is Mrs Obama's last engagement in Spain before flying home to Washington DC, where she has come under fire for her lavish break on the Costa del Sol with 40 friends, which has been estimated at costing U.S. taxpayers £50,000 a day.
...


That is about $75K per day of the public money:

...The exact cost of the trip is unclear as Mrs Obama, 46, and her friends are footing personal expenses themselves - which is just as well.

For a start, they will be paying for the 60 rooms booked at the 129-room Hotel Villa Padierna. With basic rooms starting around £380 each, the nightly bill will be no less than £22,800.

Meals will also be picked up by the Obamas and friends.

Spanish newspaper El Mundo detailed the Obamas' dinner on their first night in Spain. The tapas menu for the delegation included sea bass tartare, strawberry gazpacho and sardines, followed by a main course of lobster with seaweed risotto.

The meal cost about £40 a head, according to El Mundo - which means a bill topping £1,600 would have hit the table if all 40 friends dined together.

Stretched over five nights that's £8,000 for dinner alone.

Whether or not the taxpaying American will be paying for meals, they will definitely be footing the bill for the First Lady's 68-strong security detail, her personal staff - and the use of presidential jet Air Force Two.

The per diems for the secret service team runs at around £172 each, which amounts to nearly £60,000 for the length of the summer break.

Use of Air Force Two, the Air Force version of a 757, comes in at £91,900 for the round trip. This does not include time on the ground.

Mrs Obama's personal staff, of which there are an unknown amount and who might cost considerably more per day, also have to be taken into account.

The American public will also cover the cost of the only official part of the holiday, a visit to the Spanish royal family on the island of Majorca.

This will involve transport there and back for the entourage - as well as travel, accommodation, food and expenses for all while on the island.

Conservative estimates already put the total cost at £150,000. With Majorca to come, the bill will be more like £250,000
...


So regardless of the personal expense for a hotel for part of their trip - there is a huge amount of money being spent overseas on this "jaunt". Maybe they would have been better served to go to some destination in the US and invite the Spanish Royal Family there. At least then the money would have been spent here in the US.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 11:47AM

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Please, for God sake, answer my question--how is this
> defensible politically or financially?

Because she is married to the President of the United States of America, and because she's still a person. Not a single person crying about this would pass up the same opportunity if it was handed to them. Y'all just hatin'.

> How can we criticize Wall St. for its excesses and ask the
> American people to sacrifice when the FL is on a
> $300K vacation in Spain and staying at the best
> hotel in the country. It just shows what
> hyprocrites so many limousine liberals are.
> Evyerone needs to sacrifice, except them. What a
> joke.

Because nobody elected the Wall Street executives that fucked around with peoples' money. I know it's tempting to view this as a case of the Haves vs the Have Nots, but let's keep a little perspective, here. The government wasn't short-selling stocks, selling bad investiments, and committing fraud. If the banking system was nationalized, then you could argue that the president needs to demonstrate modesty and financial frugality.

Also, these are the privileges we bestow upon the president and their family by electing them to this office. Bush, Clinton, Obama, whoever, it doesn't matter; they all get to do this because they're the fuckin' President. When you get elected, you'll have the same benefits and privileges that the station bestows upon Barack "Hussein" Obama.

You're not going to be elected, though, because you don't have the ambition or capability that he does. This is why you're mad that his wife can go on an awesome vacation in Spain, while you slave away at your job for two nickles to rub together for a weekend trip to "the OBX." Sour grapes, buddy. You may as well be pissed off that the President has an executive chef and an executive pastry chef. "That's a complete waste of tax payer dollars. In this economy, he should be ordering from the McDonalds dollar menu like the rest of us. And really, why can't the main chef just make pastries, too? Why do you need two chefs, OBAMA?!"

Finally, let me tell you about something called "budgets." "Budgets" are amounts of money set aside for different things in the government. These are set aside and established every year. These precious tax payer dollars you're freaking out about were already set aside for Air Force 2's fuel long before Michelle ever got on the plane. The Secret Service agents are going to be paid whether they're protecting her state-side or overseas. If she's paying for personal expenses out of pocket, what's the big deal?

It's always funny to me to hear people bitch about this sort of thing as being a serious waste of government money. All it does is show how painfully oblivious you are to what's really going. This trip is chump change for the government, especially compared to the money wasted everywhere else.

EDIT: Fixed typo.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.



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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 09, 2010 11:54AM

Whether it is chump change or not, we elect the President, not his wife or spouse. If he goes on the trip, it makes sense that we would pay for his wife, children, etc to go along. For her to travel like this by herself - with a load of friends in tow - just seems to be a bit over the top. Regardless of whether or not money is budgeted. For all the little "drop in the bucket" expenses they could cut out, we could probably get rid of at least a billion dollars in chump change expenses. That is nothing to sneeze at.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: true...yet ()
Date: August 09, 2010 11:55AM

True, true, Mr. Mephisto. Yet to take such a trip shows an appalling disregard to the serious situation in our country right now. Imagine someone being thoughtless enough to build a mosque at the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Oh. Someone *IS* building a mosque there. Well, the United States is getting systematically destroyed by Congress and by extremists from other countries. Regular ol' Americans don't matter anymore.

Obamas don't even love the United States. They really aren't ideal leaders for it.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:02PM

I still don't see what is so offensive about building a mosque near ground zero. Islam didn't bring the towers down, terrorists did. Would people get pissed off if someone built a church near the Murrah Federal Building?

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: no dems ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:14PM

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> I'm a Dem and at one time a serious Obama
> supporter. To me, this is appalling. Americans
> everywhere are hurting and this Administration
> seems to be telling people to sacrifice. Whether
> or not they're paying their way, the Obamas are
> doing just the opposite. The average American
> can't dream of going to Spain and staying in ritzy
> hotels for $2500 a night. The average American
> can't afford to eat lobster rissoto. The average
> American can't dish out $325K for a vacay. I hate
> to say it, but the Obamas have just proven to be
> massive hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do.
> We're worth millions, you're not. Don't go into
> corporate America and make your millions, write a
> bunch of books about yourself and get elected.
> Shame on Obama.


So you got duped by an unproven candidate, unless you were 12 when you voted, shame on you and others that believed his bullshit promises.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:15PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Whether it is chump change or not, we elect the
> President, not his wife or spouse. If he goes on
> the trip, it makes sense that we would pay for his
> wife, children, etc to go along.

No, it makes sense that his lawfully-wedded wife and their children receive his benefits and priviledges, the same way that every other employee of the government has benefits that extend to their family, as well. If some GS-12 can get a cheap or free flu shot for his wife, it kind of stands to reason that the goddamn President's wife can fly to Spain for a few days.

> For her to travel
> like this by herself - with a load of friends in
> tow - just seems to be a bit over the top.

There seems to be some debate about the actual number of friends.

> Regardless of whether or not money is budgeted.
> For all the little "drop in the bucket" expenses
> they could cut out, we could probably get rid of
> at least a billion dollars in chump change
> expenses. That is nothing to sneeze at.

Or, we could cut out one billion dollar expense and save a billion dollars. "Sure, let's dump trillions into foreign wars, but the First Lady's use of jet fuel is completely unacceptable." Frankly, I think we've gotten more out of Michelle's little trip to Spain than we have with both wars in the Middle East; at least her wasteful expenditure of taxpayer dollars hasn't killed thousands of American soldiers.

If you don't see any problem with a multi-million dollar war plane using thousands of dollars in jet fuel to drop a multi-million dollar smart bomb on some goat farmer's mud hut, then you shouldn't begrudge the First Lady for taking a vacation at a fraction of said bomb's cost.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:22PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Whether it is chump change or not, we elect the
> > President, not his wife or spouse. If he goes
> on
> > the trip, it makes sense that we would pay for
> his
> > wife, children, etc to go along.
>
> No, it makes sense that his lawfully-wedded wife
> and their children receive his benefits and
> priviledges, the same way that every other
> employee of the government has benefits that
> extend to their family, as well. If some GS-12
> can get a cheap or free flu shot for his wife, it
> kind of stands to reason that the goddamn
> President's wife can fly to Spain for a few days.
>
> > For her to travel
> > like this by herself - with a load of friends
> in
> > tow - just seems to be a bit over the top.
>
> There seems to be some debate about the actual
> number of friends.
>
> > Regardless of whether or not money is budgeted.
> > For all the little "drop in the bucket"
> expenses
> > they could cut out, we could probably get rid
> of
> > at least a billion dollars in chump change
> > expenses. That is nothing to sneeze at.
>
> Or, we could cut out one billion dollar expense
> and save a billion dollars. "Sure, let's dump
> trillions into foreign wars, but the First Lady's
> use of jet fuel is completely unacceptable."
> Frankly, I think we've gotten more out of
> Michelle's little trip to Spain than we have with
> both wars in the Middle East; at least her
> wasteful expenditure of taxpayer dollars hasn't
> killed thousands of American soldiers.
>
> If you don't see any problem with a multi-million
> dollar war plane using thousands of dollars in jet
> fuel to drop a multi-million dollar smart bomb on
> some goat farmer's mud hut, then you shouldn't
> begrudge the First Lady for taking a vacation at a
> fraction of said bomb's cost.

Funny, I didn't know we were at war with Spain.

Apples and Oranges - and sorry, but last time I checked, working for the government did not mean your spouse suddenly acquired all YOUR benefits as perks. A flu shot is not even on an equivalent playing field as something like this trip. The point is, right now, with all the moaning and groaning over how bad the economy is, and how everyone is supposed to sacrifice, there would be much better trips inside the US they could have gone on. Sure, they still would have gotten criticized for "another vacation", but at least they would have spent the money in the US and helped support local businesses.

The war(s) really has little to do with this discussion. Kind of surprised you would bring it in to make any kind of equivalence statement to tell the truth. As far as cutting a billion dollars - yeah, that would be nice. Unfortunately the current administration and Congress don't seem to know what a spending cut is.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:25PM

Again I ask....who is doing all this moaning and groaning on how much we are supposed to be sacrificing? The problem with the economy now is people arent spending enough....the vacation transferred money from the rich (the Govt and th Obama's) to the poor....a wonderful example of Republican trickle down economics. But are Republicans happy? Noooooo....sons of bitches are miserable characters.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:28PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please, for God sake, answer my question--how is
> this
> > defensible politically or financially?
>
> Because she is married to the President of the
> United States of America, and because she's still
> a person. Not a single person crying about this
> would pass up the same opportunity if it was
> handed to them. Y'all just hatin'.
>
> > How can we criticize Wall St. for its excesses
> and ask the
> > American people to sacrifice when the FL is on
> a
> > $300K vacation in Spain and staying at the best
> > hotel in the country. It just shows what
> > hyprocrites so many limousine liberals are.
> > Evyerone needs to sacrifice, except them. What
> a
> > joke.
>
> Because nobody elected the Wall Street executives
> that fucked around with peoples' money. I know
> it's tempting to view this as a case of the Haves
> vs the Have Nots, but let's keep a little
> perspective, here. The government wasn't
> short-selling stocks, selling bad investiments,
> and committing fraud. If the banking system was
> nationalized, then you could argue that the
> president needs to demonstrate modesty and
> financial frugality.
>
> Also, these are the privileges we bestow upon the
> president and their family by electing them to
> this office. Bush, Clinton, Obama, whoever, it
> doesn't matter; they all get to do this because
> they're the fuckin' President. When you get
> elected, you'll have the same benefits and
> privileges that the station bestows upon Barack
> "Hussein" Obama.
>
> You're not going to be elected, though, because
> you don't have the ambition or capability that he
> does. This is why you're mad that his wife can go
> on an awesome vacation in Spain, while you slave
> away at your job for two nickles to rub together
> for a weekend trip to "the OBX." Sour grapes,
> buddy. You may as well be pissed off that the
> President has an executive chef and an executive
> pastry chef. "That's a complete waste of tax
> payer dollars. In this economy, he should be
> ordering from the McDonalds dollar menu like the
> rest of us. And really, why can't the main chef
> just make pastries, too? Why do you need two
> chefs, OBAMA?!"
>
> Finally, let me tell you about something called
> "budgets." "Budgets" are amounts of money set
> aside for different things in the government.
> These are set aside and established every year.
> These precious tax payer dollars you're freaking
> out about were already set aside for Air Force 2's
> fuel long before Michelle ever got on the plane.
> The Secret Service agents are going to be paid
> whether they're protecting her state-side or
> overseas. If she's paying for personal expenses
> out of pocket, what's the big deal?
>
> It's always funny to me to hear people bitch about
> this sort of thing as being a serious waste of
> government money. All it does is show how
> painfully oblivious you are to what's really
> going. This trip is chump change for the
> government, especially compared to the money
> wasted everywhere else.
>
> EDIT: Fixed typo.

Thank you for displaying that you're a complete imbecile who has trouble putting a coherent thought together. Nowhere in your moronic diatribe did you address a single one of my salient points. Please don't try to have a conversation with me again. I value my time.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:29PM

true...yet Wrote:
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> True, true, Mr. Mephisto. Yet to take such a trip
> shows an appalling disregard to the serious
> situation in our country right now.

I fail to see how, even if I thought there was a "serious situation" in our country. What do you people expect him and his family to do? Stay in the White House 24/7 until all the country's problems are fixed?

> Oh. Someone *IS* building a mosque there. Well,
> the United States is getting systematically
> destroyed by Congress and by extremists from other
> countries. Regular ol' Americans don't matter
> anymore.

First of all, freedom of religion must mean freedom for ALL religions. The same rules that prevent building a mosque someplace can also prohibit the building of churches and synagogues. Your freedom to be a Christian depends on someone else being free to be a Muslim or a Jew. I don't agree with the building of a mosque near Ground Zero, but the most un-American thing about that whole situation are the people saying it shoudln't be built just because it's a mosque.

We're still "regular ol' Americans." Society changes, and everything was always better ten years ago.

> Obamas don't even love the United States. They
> really aren't ideal leaders for it.

Sure.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:31PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Again I ask....who is doing all this moaning and
> groaning on how much we are supposed to be
> sacrificing?

Let me interupt your opinion with some facts. Look above in previous posts in this thread to see the numerous times Obama has asked the American people to sacrifice. Don't just blab for the sake of blabbing. Read.


The problem with the economy now is
> people arent spending enough....the vacation
> transferred money from the rich (the Govt and th
> Obama's) to the poor....a wonderful example of
> Republican trickle down economics.

So Michele spends in Spain? Brilliant.

But are
> Republicans happy? Noooooo....sons of bitches
> are miserable characters.


They're not happy because it looks terrible and shows hypocrisy. I'm not happy for the same reasons. It demonstrates a lack of political awareness, callousness and stupidity. Spend the money in the U.S.!

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:47PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Funny, I didn't know we were at war with Spain.

Really? Well, now you know. Frankly, I'm surprised someone as informed as you would miss that. We've been dropping bombs on the goat farmers in mud huts in Spain for a while now.

Or maybe I didn't say anything about us being at war with Spain. Probably because that's a stupid thing to say.

> Apples and Oranges - [irrelevant discourse removed] The
> point is, right now, with all the moaning and
> groaning over how bad the economy is, and how
> everyone is supposed to sacrifice, there would be
> much better trips inside the US they could have
> gone on. Sure, they still would have gotten
> criticized for "another vacation", but at least
> they would have spent the money in the US and
> helped support local businesses.


This is hilarious. Yes, Michelle Obama should have stimulated the American economy by staying at a Quality Inn down in Biloxi, MS. Her and her friends could have gone to Hooter's for crab legs instead of having lunch with the king of Spain. Get real.

>
> The war(s) really has little to do with this
> discussion. Kind of surprised you would bring it
> in to make any kind of equivalence statement to
> tell the truth.

The "truth" is a bunch of people bitching about her wasting "taxpayer dollars." "Taxpayer dollars" are also used to buy the bombs we drop on mud huts in Afghanistan. If people are against wasting "taxpayer dollars," then maybe they should worry about million-dollar ka-booms instead of thousands of dollars of jet fuel.

> As far as cutting a billion
> dollars - yeah, that would be nice. Unfortunately
> the current administration and Congress don't seem
> to know what a spending cut is.

Yes, because they're liberals and democrats, and everything would be just peachy if we had conservatives and republicans running it. They did so well for 8 years.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 12:53PM

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Thank you for displaying that you're a complete
> imbecile who has trouble putting a coherent
> thought together. Nowhere in your moronic diatribe
> did you address a single one of my salient points.
> Please don't try to have a conversation with me
> again. I value my time.

You said:

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Please, for God sake, answer my question--how is this
> defensible politically or financially?

And I did. It's not my fault if you didn't understand it, or rejected it on principle since it's not what you wanted to hear.

But don't worry. I would hate to waste the time of someone who thinks putting goats on the South Lawn is a great idea, fiscally and symbolically.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 01:03PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thank you for displaying that you're a complete
> > imbecile who has trouble putting a coherent
> > thought together. Nowhere in your moronic
> diatribe
> > did you address a single one of my salient
> points.
> > Please don't try to have a conversation with me
> > again. I value my time.
>
> You said:
>
> boom boom Mancini Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please, for God sake, answer my question--how is
> this
> > defensible politically or financially?
>
> And I did. It's not my fault if you didn't
> understand it, or rejected it on principle since
> it's not what you wanted to hear.
>
> But don't worry. I would hate to waste the time
> of someone who thinks putting goats on the South
> Lawn is a great idea, fiscally and symbolically.


Sheep. Like what you lost your virginity to, not goats. Please stop responding to my posts. TYIA.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 09, 2010 01:09PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> > Apples and Oranges - The
> > point is, right now, with all the moaning and
> > groaning over how bad the economy is, and how
> > everyone is supposed to sacrifice, there would
> be
> > much better trips inside the US they could have
> > gone on. Sure, they still would have gotten
> > criticized for "another vacation", but at
> least
> > they would have spent the money in the US and
> > helped support local businesses.
>
> This is hilarious. Yes, Michelle Obama should
> have stimulated the American economy by staying at
> a Quality Inn down in Biloxi, MS. Her and her
> friends could have gone to Hooter's for crab legs
> instead of having lunch with the king of Spain.
> Get real.
>

I already pointed out (in a previous post) they could have gone to someplace in the US - not sure why you think Biloxi is such a hotspot, but hey, to each their own. Vegas is having a bad couple of years, maybe they could have helped Harry Reid out and tossed some money his way. What was that about a stupid comparison?

> >
> > The war(s) really has little to do with this
> > discussion. Kind of surprised you would bring
> it
> > in to make any kind of equivalence statement to
> > tell the truth.
>
> The "truth" is a bunch of people bitching about
> her wasting "taxpayer dollars." "Taxpayer
> dollars" are also used to buy the bombs we drop on
> mud huts in Afghanistan. If people are against
> wasting "taxpayer dollars," then maybe they should
> worry about million-dollar ka-booms instead of
> thousands of dollars of jet fuel.
>

Yes, well we all need something to do huh? The truth is, they bitched about a lot of things under Bush, and Obama bitches about Bush almost every day when he tries to sum up his many failures with the economy. The point is, they have managed to massively outspend anything Bush ever did, up the ante in our obligations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and still manage to spend larger and larger amounts of money. Maybe they need to learn how to spend their money better.

> > As far as cutting a billion
> > dollars - yeah, that would be nice.
> Unfortunately
> > the current administration and Congress don't
> seem
> > to know what a spending cut is.
>
> Yes, because they're liberals and democrats, and
> everything would be just peachy if we had
> conservatives and republicans running it. They
> did so well for 8 years.

The Republicans overspent for 6 years actually - the dems took over in 2007 and that is when the shit really hit the fan so to speak. Remember when they started griping about Bush finally vetoing bills? That was when the spending was going really nuts outside of the war spending - under the Democrats after 2007. So it was only 6 years. In either case, what does this have to do with her spending all the money in Spain again?

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 01:39PM

boom boom Mancini Wrote:
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> Sheep. Like what you lost your virginity to, not
> goats. Please stop responding to my posts. TYIA.

Clearly, a healthy dose of logic and rational thinking is unsettling to you. I promise to stop responding to your dumbass posts when you stop making dumbass posts.

Or, to put it in terms you might understand: A DERKA DURR, THEY TOOK OUR JERBS.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 01:53PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> In either case, what does this have to do with her
> spending all the money in Spain again?

About as much as her vacation in Spain has to do with anything; it's just a convenient story that allows anyone anti-Obama to validate their preconceived notions. If she would have gone to Vegas, the same people would say that she should have gone to an impoverished Gulf Coast town to stimulate the economy down there. If Obama was a republican, democrats would be throwing the same bitch fit right now. It's lame.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 09, 2010 02:08PM

Actually where is your logic Meph?

If the Obamas were Repubicans, the Republicans would be throwing them under the bus right now, that's the difference between Repubs and Dems; Morals.

a durka-durrr.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 09, 2010 02:11PM

"A DERKA DURR, THEY TOOK OUR JERBS." I have no idea what this means. Is this some sort of sheep talk? Something you might whisper into the ear of the hoofed, wooley-coated paramour? This does seem to be in line with the general muddled nature of your posts. Perhaps you can explain? Actually, please don't. Let's just leave well enough alone. You've proven yourseld to be a poorly reasoned sheep lover. I, apparently, don't like to listen to your "rational thinking." We're even.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 02:21PM

You are not responding to anything I said in a constructive manner, so clearly, I fuck sheep. Yes. Great argument. I will have to employ your method in the future.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 09, 2010 02:24PM

Just leave the sheep ALONE!

PLEAAAAAAAAASE!

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 02:24PM

Troll@AOL Wrote:
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> Actually where is your logic Meph?
>
> If the Obamas were Repubicans, the Republicans
> would be throwing them under the bus right now,
> that's the difference between Repubs and Dems;
> Morals.
>
> a durka-durrr.

Whatever, dude. You fuck sheep.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
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Date: August 09, 2010 02:27PM

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 09, 2010 04:13PM

they should have stayed at a holiday inn. ;D


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 04:59PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> they should have stayed at a holiday inn. ;D

Whatever. You fuck sheep, too.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 09, 2010 05:16PM

In an interview with website Big Think, Stephen Hawking warned that the long-term future of the planet is in outer space.

"It will be difficult enough to avoid disaster on planet Earth in the next hundred years, let alone the next thousand, or million. The human race shouldn't have all its eggs in one basket, or on one planet," he said.

"I see great dangers for the human race," Hawking said. "There have been a number of times in the past when its survival has been a question of touch and go. The Cuban missile crisis in 1963 was one of these. The frequency of such occasions is likely to increase in the future."

"But I'm an optimist. If we can avoid disaster for the next two centuries, our species should be safe, as we spread into space," he said.

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Still, we need to act and act fast, Hawking stated. "It will be difficult enough to avoid disaster in the next hundred years, let alone the next thousand or million. Our only chance of long-term survival is not to remain inward looking on planet Earth but to spread out into space. We have made remarkable progress in the last hundred years. But if we want to continue beyond the next hundred years, our future is in space."

This is not the first time Hawking has warned of impending planetary doom. In 2006, the physicist warned that Earth was at an ever increasing risk of being wiped out. And lately, Hawking has become quite outspoken.

In April, he warned of the dangers of communicating with aliens, telling the Discovery Channel that extra-terrestrials are almost certain to exist -- and humanity should avoid contact with them at all cost.

“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,†he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.â€

The answer, he suggests, is that most of alien life will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals -- the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history -- and they could pose a serious threat to us.

In May Hawking said he believed humans could travel millions of years into the future and repopulate their devastated planet. If spaceships are built that can fly faster than the speed of light, a day on board would be equivalent to a year on Earth. That's because -- according to Einstein -- as objects accelerate through space, time slows down around them.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: sweet spot ()
Date: August 09, 2010 05:25PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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>>It's lame.

You've summed up RV in two words. Anyways, all this "spending" can be attributed to Bush/Cheney driving this country into a ditch. Treat your house like shit for 8yrs and see what it costs to get it back on track.

I hope she takes a fucking round the world trip with her dog. Whiney Bitches!

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 09, 2010 05:26PM

Get your umbrella! Vince is makin' it rain!

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 10, 2010 10:00PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100810/pl_yblog_upshot/first-lady-went-to-spain-to-spend-time-with-grieving-friend

According to Sweet, one other mutual friend came along with her own two daughters. And according to the White House, all parties paid for their own hotel rooms and personal expenses.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: August 11, 2010 02:22AM

Gravis Wrote:
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> they should have stayed at a holiday inn. ;D


This one is conveniently close to the airport. Continental breakfast and WiFi included.
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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: Troll@AOL ()
Date: August 11, 2010 03:46AM

Oh good, a Continental breakfast, at least I won't have to hang myself in the morning.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 11, 2010 09:00AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100810/pl_y
> blog_upshot/first-lady-went-to-spain-to-spend-time
> -with-grieving-friend
>
> According to Sweet, one other mutual friend came
> along with her own two daughters. And according to
> the White House, all parties paid for their own
> hotel rooms and personal expenses.


So what? Are you arguing that her trip was irrelevant, politically astute, proper because they "paid their own way" (nevermind the $375K pricetag to tax payers)? Irrespective of the fact that they paid their own way, the FL should not be taking a lavish vacation in the middle of the worst recession in 80 years, especially one in which not a single dollar was spent on U.S. soil. It's politically tone deaf and makes the first family look out of touch. Politics 101. If she wants a vacation, do something more modest and IN THE U.S.! Pretty simple really.


Also, TYIA for not responding. I can only imagine you'll waste my time with meandering nonsense that's completely off point.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: August 11, 2010 09:11AM

She is a communist because she didn't go to Branson,MO.

That's all I'm tryin' say, man...


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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: dika-dika ()
Date: August 11, 2010 09:19AM

They could make a great tv series out this called "On Vacations With The Bamays".

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 11, 2010 12:19PM

Sheep Fucker Wrote:
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> So what? Are you arguing that her trip was
> irrelevant, politically astute, proper because
> they "paid their own way" (nevermind the $375K
> pricetag to tax payers)?

I'm not arguing anything. I'm just saying that, once again, the facts have been skewed to fit the story, instead of the facts dictating the story.

Speaking of which, where are you coming up with this "375K pricetag"? You state three times in this thread that their vacation cost $375,000, but it appears you're just arbitrarily throwing that number out.

> Irrespective of the fact
> that they paid their own way, the FL should not be
> taking a lavish vacation in the middle of the
> worst recession in 80 years, especially one in
> which not a single dollar was spent on U.S. soil.
> It's politically tone deaf and makes the first
> family look out of touch. Politics 101. If she
> wants a vacation, do something more modest and IN
> THE U.S.! Pretty simple really.

You're just a malcontent. If she would have gone to Hawaii or Vegas, you'd bitch that she should be stimulating the Gulf Coast economy. If she'd have gone to the Gulf Coast, you'd bitch that she was on vacation in an area where many are unemployed because of the oil spill, and she should have been scrubbing pelicans with toothbrushes.

Even though it's now clear that she didn't take a taxpayer-fueled romp through Spain with 40 friends in tow, she paid out of pocket, and some of her choices were made for her by the Secret Service, you're still bitching about her even going at all.

> Also, TYIA for not responding. I can only imagine
> you'll waste my time with meandering nonsense
> that's completely off point.

Oh, no. If you're going to contribute your retarded jibber-jabber, I get to respond to it. Plus, you fuck sheep.

If you respond to this post, that means you're a gay sheep fucker who likes to fuck male sheep.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: August 11, 2010 12:39PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Sheep Fucker Wrote:

> Speaking of which, where are you coming up with
> this "375K pricetag"? You state three times in
> this thread that their vacation cost $375,000, but
> it appears you're just arbitrarily throwing that
> number out.


CBS NEWS;

According to CBS News, the tax dollar part of the vacation include an estimated $146,000 round-trip cost for the U.S. Air Force 757 aircraft, not counting ground time; about $95,000 in hotel costs for an estimated 70 security personnel -- Secret Service and military -- who get a $273-a-day government per diem, plus costs for the dozen or so cars in her motorcade. I'm told that three shifts of agents are needed for a trip of this magnitude.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 11, 2010 12:43PM

>
> I'm not arguing anything.

Not well anyway.

I'm just saying that,
> once again, the facts have been skewed to fit the
> story, instead of the facts dictating the story.

You haven't addressed the facts...at all...once. The facts are that the FL took an extravagent vacation in the middle of a massive recession. The fact is that she didn't spend a dime in the U.S. The fact is that it did, in fact, cost taxpayers $$ to send her overseas.

>
> Speaking of which, where are you coming up with
> this "375K pricetag"? You state three times in
> this thread that their vacation cost $375,000, but
> it appears you're just arbitrarily throwing that
> number out.

Google is your friend. There are numerous sources with that number, which is an estimate based on travel and security costs. CBS News esimated that just her travel costs would be roughly $148K round trip. Here's one: http://www.global-report.co.il/hongkong/t78-michelle-obama

>
> > Irrespective of the fact
> > that they paid their own way, the FL should not
> be
> > taking a lavish vacation in the middle of the
> > worst recession in 80 years, especially one in
> > which not a single dollar was spent on U.S.
> soil.
> > It's politically tone deaf and makes the first
> > family look out of touch. Politics 101. If she
> > wants a vacation, do something more modest and
> IN
> > THE U.S.! Pretty simple really.
>
> You're just a malcontent. If she would have gone
> to Hawaii or Vegas, you'd bitch that she should be
> stimulating the Gulf Coast economy. If she'd have
> gone to the Gulf Coast, you'd bitch that she was
> on vacation in an area where many are unemployed
> because of the oil spill, and she should have been
> scrubbing pelicans with toothbrushes.

No, actually I'm not. I've never cared one wit about where or when a president or his family takes a vacation (although I did get annoyed when W took tons of vacation during his tenure) until now. Why now? Awareness and appearance. The WH gets an "F" for both. Once again, you're changing the subject and going ad hominem instead of addressing the point (which, incidentally, proves you're a sheep fucker...ironic? yes). This is really stupid on behalf of the first family, whom I supported.

> Even though it's now clear that she didn't take a
> taxpayer-fueled romp through Spain with 40 friends
> in tow, she paid out of pocket, and some of her
> choices were made for her by the Secret Service,
> you're still bitching about her even going at all.
>
>
> > Also, TYIA for not responding. I can only
> imagine
> > you'll waste my time with meandering nonsense
> > that's completely off point.
>
> Oh, no. If you're going to contribute your
> retarded jibber-jabber, I get to respond to it.
> Plus, you fuck sheep.
>
> If you respond to this post, that means you're a
> gay sheep fucker who likes to fuck male sheep.

I think we all know who the sheep lover is in the conversation. It's you. Don't deny it.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 11, 2010 12:45PM

$273 is the total per diem rate. $164 of that is for the hotel, which was already included in the 95k number. The per diem for meals and incidentals is actually $109.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 11, 2010 01:03PM

Look, I'm not defending her vacation. All I'm saying is that it's ridiculous to use her vacation as an example of wasteful government spending when there are so many other examples that are more wasteful and more pointless. Again, the same people bitching about her "375K" vacation have no problem with million dollar bombs being dropped on some mud hut in Afghanistan. At best, it shows you have no perspective, and at worst, it means you're a petty asshole.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: dika-dika ()
Date: August 11, 2010 01:10PM

Come on folks, Have a heart for the Bamaies


The first lady made the trip because she wanted to spend time with her best friend, Chicago physician Anita Blanchard, who lost her father this summer. Blanchard (who is married to President Obama's best friend, Marty Nesbitt) planned a Spanish vacation with her daughter and invited the first lady and her daughters to come along. Michelle, who missed Blanchard's father's funeral in July, agreed and brought along her 9-year-old daughter, Sasha. The first couple's older daughter, Malia, is away at camp.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 11, 2010 01:16PM

dika-dika Wrote:
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> Come on folks, Have a heart for the Bamaies
>
>
> The first lady made the trip because she wanted to
> spend time with her best friend, Chicago physician
> Anita Blanchard, who lost her father this summer.
> Blanchard (who is married to President Obama's
> best friend, Marty Nesbitt) planned a Spanish
> vacation with her daughter and invited the first
> lady and her daughters to come along. Michelle,
> who missed Blanchard's father's funeral in July,
> agreed and brought along her 9-year-old daughter,
> Sasha. The first couple's older daughter, Malia,
> is away at camp.

I think the point people are trying to make is, she shouldn't be having fun or acting like a normal human being. If she does decide to take a vacation, she should fly coach within the US, not spend more than poor people do on vacations, and not take any security or aides with her.

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Re: HIgh Priced Vacation for Michelle Obama
Posted by: boom boom Mancini ()
Date: August 11, 2010 01:42PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Look, I'm not defending her vacation. All I'm
> saying is that it's ridiculous to use her vacation
> as an example of wasteful government spending when
> there are so many other examples that are more
> wasteful and more pointless. Again, the same
> people bitching about her "375K" vacation have no
> problem with million dollar bombs being dropped on
> some mud hut in Afghanistan. At best, it shows
> you have no perspective, and at worst, it means
> you're a petty asshole.



Bro, bro, bro...listen, do you know what changing the scope of an argument means? I didn't say anything about dropping $1mm bombs or "wasteful government" or whatever. That's your axe to grind with conversatives, not with the points I've raised. I cited two related things that make this trip really unpalatable--awareness (i.e., lack of awareness of how they would be perceived and lack of awareness of how many Americans can't even afford to go to water parks) and appearance (i.e., politics is about appearances and this looks bad). I just don't know how anyone can defend the Obamas on these two points. The trip was stupid and showed tone deafness. It's hard for Obama to talk about sacrifice when his wife is spending up to $2500 a night at hotels. It looks bad and that undermines his effectiveness.

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